Anyone Want to Talk about the 2-1 Transition? Thread #10

[Peek-a-boo]

Continued from http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=155604.0.

[*Jo*]

m*arking my spot here

[rach321]

Count me in!!

[Nauvoo]

Me too.  My LO did a 30 minute nap this morning and a 1.5 hour pm nap!!!!  We never get those anymore.  Maybe I'll think of switching???  Really though, just because it happened one day doesn't mean it'll happen the next:)

[*Jo*]

this is true!

yesterday Caleb did a 45min nap in teh AM (because we were at church and he never sleeps longer than 45mins at church) and a 2 hour nap in the PM and then slept 8.30pm-7.30am!!! but of course that happened last week as well and the next day we tried it again and it didnt happen.

Today he didnt fall asleep till 4 hours A time so im gonna let him have a 1.5hr AM nap and a 45min PM nap, it just feels like im swapping around every other day and dont know which one actually works!! they all seem to work but i cant keep consistancy long enough to see which one to stick to. i really want to go for a short AM as we have to do that one on sundays for church anyway but so far he likes the long AM A time before that and i think after a long A time he needs a long nap...grrrr i feel like im bashing against a brick wall sometimes.

also the other thing is that a long AM nap means a long A time before and after that nap and a short time to bed (which is lovely! i like short time before bed) but then a short AM nap means trying to figure out how short the A time is supposed to be before and after that nap and then a long A time before bed

[Nauvoo]

WOW!!  I could have just written that post calebsmummy, WORD FOR WORD!  We also have church sunday mornings but my LO never ever sleeps longer than 30 minutes at church (though I'm glad for just that).  I'm going back and forth, back and forth with the A times, long naps or short naps and ..........I could go on.  I was advised elsewhere to pick one and stick to it.  Like it's that eas,y but I take it as good advice:)

[Flightmommy]

Hey ladies....i just don't know what's happening to my Caleb...the kid has STAMINA!!! Ughhh, he's always been really low on the A times and was quite behind for his age(in terms of awake times)...now, he's doing really loong A's, showing no tired cues and doesn't even seem crabby or fussing, so I am to assume that he's not tired, right? But this makes for such loooong awake times and then late naps and then, late bedtimes, which I really don't like...like tonight, he went down at 8:20pm..and also doesn't seem to be making up for it at night as he's gone back to his infamous 10.5h nights!
  All week, i've had to wake him from all of his naps, he's not woken on his own ONCE this week...today, he did a one hour nap in the am and then I was aiming for an A time of 3.30-45, so not to have him nap too late ( like yesterday's pm nap until 5pm...yikes!!), well, of course, he throws himself a crib party right after our windown and is laughing and rolling around, right until the 4hour A time mark and then falls asleep...I woke him after 1h15 cause it was coming up to 4:30pm and I was trying to preserve bedtime...at which point, he did the same thing...laughing and playing...until 8:20pm. All this playtime in the crib, even after longer than usual A times, is telling me he's not tired enough, right?
  Just a few weeks ago, my daily struggle was that A times were soo short and he would be done his naps too early in the day, around 2-2:30 and it was soo hard to get to bedtime...now, we've got the opposite problem, with him staying up all afternoon and napping late.....it's feast or famine! When and if someone ever figures out the secret to the 2-1 transition, boy will they ever be rich!! lol
  Sounds like you ladies have a couple of options working for you at least....it's a matter of picking one and sticking with it i guess. I think it's time for me to let go of my " one hour am and one hour pm " dream and start shortening one nap dramatically. Also, at this age, is it reasonable to still expect 12 hour days and 12 hour nights? It looks like a lot of LO's in the 2-1 are doing 13 hour days.
  

[*Jo*]

Flightmommy, we havent had 12 hour day and nights in months! we have 13 hour days and 11 hour nights and from what i can gather thats how it works until the switch is over. we are having the same issue with late naps, today our PM nap will start at 4.45pm, thats right, 4.45pm ugh, but im gonna let him sleep till 5.30pm, and have him in bed by 8.30!

[*Jo*]

ok the long AM nap/short PM nap didnt work today, in fact the PM nap didnt happen at all, he just cried so he went to bed at 7pm so a total of 6 hours A time and yet he was so happy the whole time, he even played happily by himself for nearly an hour!!! that never happens!!! on the upside we have had complete STTN now for over a week....

Its official...... I have NO idea what I'm doing anymore!! LOL I am completely and utterly lost

[~Emma~]

 Can I lay my head here? Going a bit mental with it!

 Got a bit cocky at first, thought I had it nailed. Brodie has been doing a long am of 1.5/2 hours and short pm of 30/45 mins having the longer naps on the days after nursery to catch up a wee bit. Going great, he was even throwing in some 13 hour nights...couldn't have asked for better.

 PM nap refusal came upon us about a week ago, the boy will not nap in the afternoon. My plan was to push the AM nap later and later and throw on a AP'd CN later on on the day. I CANNOT for the life of me extend that 1st A of the day. He's down after 3.5 hours max. I tried pushing him thismorning but he was having none of it. He was actually falling asleep when i was putting on his sleepsack!

 Any tips for pushing the AM nap out? Yesterday he had NO pm nap, was awake from 11.30am 'til 6pm! Still STTN other than a wake 45 mins after putting down for the night. As he always does when OT is approaching!

 I'm like you Jo, no idea whats going on anymore! 

[*Jo*]

Welcome Emma!! Well with trying to extend his first A time have you tried distracting him with looking at photo's or reading a book? Something lowkey so he doesn't noticed the A time is extending by only 10mins?

[~Emma~]

 He just whinges and it escalates into him losing the plot! I have tried loooooooooooooong wd but he actually just starts falling asleep!

 Dogwalk in pushchair - falls asleep

 Music - cries louder than the music

 Books - throws a paddy at the book!

 Walking around holding him - cries to get down, then when I put him down, he cries.

He has now woken after 1 hour 15 mins this morning...doesn't usually do that either!

Have decided just to go for a 10-15 min extension tomorrow anyways. It cant get any worse right?

Brodie sounds like caleb in that he doesn't seem bothereed about having no afternoon CN. It really confuses me!

[*lexie*]

Lo is 11 1/2months I thought 2-1 was happening last month so shortened lo naps 2 1hr morning and same in afternoon and all was going well He then started cutting teeth and he loves 2 sleep so every day he was ready 2 settle at 10.30 and 3 Day b4 yest was a nitemare he slept 2 1hrs then wouldnt settle at nite We were staying over at my mums At nite slept 11.30-3 then 5-7.30 Next day he refused morning nap and fell asleep 4 an hr in his buggy at 2.30 He usually only sleeps in cot Last nite back home he went down an hr early at 7 and slept till 7.30 Today i put him down at half 10 and he is still singing 2 me What 2 do?

[Flightmommy]

Calebsmummy, i'm curious to see how your night went after that long 6 hour A time. How long was his first (and only!!) nap? My Caleb seems to really want a long am nap, but what happened to you is exactly why I don't let him...he is really hard to nap later in the day, unless his first nap was shorter, then he's fine..but I just know with a long am nap that we would get complete pm nap refusal. And anything over 4 hours A time before bed leads to nasty OT, mind you, he's been streaching out A times lately and really surprising me, so who knows really!
  After last night's 8:20pm bedtime, Caleb was still sound asleep at 7:30am!! I finally woke him at 7:45, but now feel that I should have done so earlier....he went down, after playing and giggling for 25minutes, for his am nap at 11:05 and i woke him at 11:50, so a 45 minute nap. Then did an A time of 3h30, so he fell asleep at 3:20pm, and i'll probably have to wake him around 4:30, then hopefully a 7:45pm bedtime....i know, it's crazy to expect a 12 hour day when he hasn't been doing them for weeks now, but i'm hoping that the reduction in day sleep will allow for an earlier bedtime..i'm just finding that anything past 8pm is too late, i've barely got any evening time to myself and it just keeps pushing our days later and later. Ughh, i constantly feel like i'm messing with nature...waking him up from naps and night sleep, setting his nap times and lengths like he was a computer...poor kid. I'm with you ladies, i'm totally lost...i think it's time to start a " i've got no idea what i'm doing " chat thread...bet it would be popular!!

[*Jo*]

FLightmommy, we had a 11.5 hour night with only one waking at around 11pm, which took about two minutes of me going in to resettle him so it was pretty good but i know that long term its not ideal. he only had the 1.5 hour nap for the whole day. I was thinking this morning though, that Tracy doesnt even mention certain amounts of A time in her books, its all by going on tired cues, im wondering though how this works when tired cues arent so reliable at this age, however if we are following Tracy then i guess we shouldnt be looking at the clock at all, someone on this thread mentioned a friend who said her child napped "when he was ready" which is essentially what watching tired cues is all about, perhaps we have lost this skill by trying to do certain A times? fiddling with nap lengths etc, oh if only Tracy was still around and we could ask her!!!!