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15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« on: January 24, 2012, 19:30:10 pm »
We were having lovely long nights and naps for a while, then we had a mess at Xmas with NW.

Last 5 nights Z is STTN and settling a lot quicker at BT which makes me think his A is right but he is waking after 10.5 hr nights.

Not sure if it's an untimely poop, molar movement or something else. in the past he goes back to sleep when he's stirred at this time.

EAS is a bit messy as we were getting one short night, one long for a few days.

If I let him sleep as long as he wants he doesn't wake so I always wake. I've let him have mega naps to see if he needs them but are a 2hr45 min one yesterday he did a 10.5 hr night so I'm back to thinking cap that nap at 2hrs-2hrs15

I wonder if maybe because he is STTN without a peep it's more restorative than 11.5 hr nights with NW, even if only 15 mins long...thoughts?
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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 08:10:28 am »
Hiya Hon,

We have been here before. It sounds like an UT/OT cycle to me. What confused me was that Sam was/still does sometimes settle well at BT but still wake ahead of time. The same as when you want them to cap their own nap you can put down slightly UT KWIM  ??? It was the same thing for us. What is DS morning A time right now  ??? What is his usual night length  ??? IIWM I would go for 5 hours morning A time and cap his nap at 2 hours. Then make sure his A time to BT is a good length to ensure he isn't UT, but not too long as to risk OT. Easier said than done eh  ::). You didn't say what time he is waking right now, so maybe he will have to have EBT if his nap is too early in the day after 5 hours A time  ??? Anyway this is what worked for us at the same age. I was letting Sam sleep more than his 2 hour nap if he seemed to need it but it backfired and then became a viscous circle, especially since after a few short nights he would always grab at a longer nap if allowed to so something had to give.

Does Zac tag on sleep ??? I have come to believe that a longer night and shorter nap is much more restorative than vice versa, although I do understand what you mean by unbroken sleep being better than a longer broken night, I think in the long term that doesn't work.

Cheers Honey.

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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 17:39:29 pm »
Here is his EASY yesterday, I capped the nap but he had a BT fit, we had a terrible day yesterday though so wasn't sure if BT issues were UT, pain, too hot or DH not bring home.

WU 6.10 out of cot 6.45
Nap 11.45-2
BT 7.10 cried etc which he hasn't done in ages. Asleep 7.45
Cry out at 5.30 the resettled.
WU 6.25 ::) I'll try to leave him in his cot till 7. He's waking a touch later every morning ATM

Thanks Hun, it makes sense what you are saying...he was doing the below
WU 7.30-8
Nap 12-30-2.30
BT 7.45 but he was mucking around till 8.15 most nights.

I was going to try for 12-2 today? Or should I give him longer?
BT? - try for 7 or 7.15 again?

We tried to move his day closer to 7-7 and it's backfired I think :(
He used to tag on a
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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 20:45:48 pm »
Hiya,

Yesterday looks like a good day  :).

Looking at the old EASY I would def say that his am A time needed extending. Also how long Sam has slept at night really effects his nap, it's a case of the night or the nap needing to stabilise then the other follows IYKWIM  ??? What did you do today  ??? I would have stuck with 5 hours A time then a 2 hour nap. You know Sam coped with a 13 hour day from 1 year old and I definitely think the day length is super important too. Maybe a 12 hour day is too short for him now  ???  I have most recently found that now Sam's night has stabilised at 11 hours for the most part (since establishing his new EASY very recently) if for some reason he has a longer night I stick with a 12.30 nap he will usually cap it shorter himself.

What time did you do BT  ??? Sorry I couldn't reply early to help ease the decision. Mother's Instinct usually reigns supremem anyway!  ;)

Hope today was a good one.

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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 22:22:30 pm »
I do think he needs a 12.5hr day now. He was on 1 nap from 11 months really...
SO its 11.20am here. We went out this morning too as fresh air and a run around always helps.
The plan is Nap at 12 and Ill wake at 2 then BT 5hrs 15mins later at 7.15pm. This was working for us an he was going to sleep well....If he short nights again ill try a touch later BT - sound okay to you?

I would do a longer A to BT but given his nights are short ATM and I'm capping his nap I don't want him to get too OT..he responds much better to gradual changes. He's super spirited but touchy with sleep ::)

Thank you so much hun :-*
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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 08:12:41 am »
Hi Sara,

That sounds like a good plan to me and I definitely agree that pushing him at the end of the day should be done carefully. I have only realised recently how every single element of the day can have a huge effect. Night length/both A times/nap length/day length  ::) and it's a miracle any of us manage to tweak them all to result in success LOL.

Good Luck Hon and let me know how it's going  ;)

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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 18:24:07 pm »
You rock Hun :)
We got a lovely 11.5 hr night and happy quiet WU at 7 this morning, about to go get him up for the day. We did get 2x cryouts on a 12.45 and one at 1.30 ish but he resettled immediately.

Today I'm going for nap at 12 or 12.15 and sticking to 2 hrs again with BT the same :)
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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 20:41:01 pm »
Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D So glad it's going well at the moment.

Big time sleepy vibes and FX'd all the way  ;)

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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 22:24:37 pm »
Thanks for the vibes, we will need them tonight..I'm a tad worried he will be UT now but sticking with the plan anyway as follows
WU 7 out of cot 7.20
Nap 12-2
BT 7.15/20 not sure if maybe I need o make the nap start at 12.15 and BT 7.30 thoughts?
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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 07:03:17 am »
Okay so I went out for lunch and DH had him and he woke at 45 mins crying...WTF..he hasn't done that in ages...he is tweeting molars so DH gave pain meds then PD again and he went back to sleep. Who woke him at 2.15 to give him a touch more rest. So day was...
WU 7 out of cot 7.20
Nap 12-2.15 with ~10 min waking at 45 mins
BT 7.20 but didn't go to sleep till 8. We had an unexpected visit and it made him go down a touch later...I think he may have been a touch OTand needed longer to settle. he was quiet but drumming the cot sides a little which he does to settle sometimes.
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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 18:08:56 pm »
Grrr 6.40 WU..happy as a clam though? DH wonder side was asleep earlier last night and the noises resettling at 45 mins while 1/2 asleep...I doubt it myself
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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2012, 18:33:58 pm »
Hmmm, sounds like OT at PD which resulted in longer to settle and then OT WU next day..maybe  ::) wouldn't you say  ???

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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 18:44:02 pm »
I'm thinking that too Hun.
So that would mean he needs a 12 hr day right?
Will try this today
WU 6.40 out of cot 7
Nap 12-2
BT 7 (15 mins earlier than usual)
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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2012, 19:04:33 pm »
I think IIWM I would keep the morning am time to 5.5 minimum or he will most probably be UT and have a shorter nap  :-\. Then in the pm I would observe and see what happens, going for BT at 7 earliest but 7.30 preferably. I know that is repeating yesterday but anything could have been at play with the rumbling molars etc  ::) and although it does appear to be OT at play last night, I think it will be UT at play today of both A times are shorter KWIM  ???

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Re: 15 mth old STTN but doing 10.5 hrs again
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2012, 20:16:34 pm »
Okies...Ill push for that A before nap. I am wondering if the problem is that the naps needs to be a touch later in the day now actually :-\

lol re shorter nap, I have to wake him from almost every nap since he hit the 2-1 unless he has pain. Ironic really after he never slept for the first 6 months and was a chronic EW fir the first 10 ::)
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