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Talk to me about burping and wind
« on: November 19, 2015, 08:23:09 am »
We were up until 1am last night with a very windy baby who could not settle. Poor love.

It's passing through now but of course now I am paranoid about getting a burp from him after every single feed - which doesn't seem to happen.

Do I need to keep going until he burps? Or after a peaceful feed like this last one, is it possible that he has nothing to pass?
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 08:44:43 am »
Its definitely possible that he has nothing to pass...

with mine, it varies greatly!
Sometimes he burps 3 times, sometimes not at all.

There is a certain look on his face when he needs to - maybe your baby has a similar one? :)
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 15:06:50 pm »
I agree - sometimes there just isn't a burp! Esp at night feeds when they are calm and sleepy. I usually find that if you hold him sitting  upright and just gently rock him from side to side with one hand on his back you can feel the air gurgling if there is a big burp there.

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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 15:12:32 pm »
I never had to burp either of mine, very possible there's nothing there.

The gentle upright sit is good, you can sort of hold his tummy in your hand and rub his back with the other as he slumps rather endearingly ;), or, perhaps why I never had to burp them on purpose, I carried them around a lot on my shoulder, or would just pop them up there for a few minutes after feeds for a snuggle. Never had to at night though.

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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 20:14:30 pm »
He's fed a lot more calmly today - yesterday he was coming off the breast like it was all getting too much, and then starting again five minutes later. Fx for a better night.

Thanks for the tips! I have done the rocking thing, and the putting him on my shoulder to find that he has nothing there, but then an hour or so later he's woken in pain. A bit mysterious so far.

I think he had a big blockage somewhere as there were no dirty nappies overnight, and that is very unusual at this point. We are having so many dirty nappies it is untrue!
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 20:27:35 pm »
has he changed from meconium nappies to normal poo? 
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 20:48:22 pm »
Yes, right on schedule last week. Why?
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 21:01:35 pm »
Just wondering if that sort of change was going on with him.  Spectacular colours sometimes!
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2015, 10:38:01 am »
So, another night of not settling until 1am, and the midwife says it probably wind.

Will feeding lying down help? Do I need to try something like infacol? He really is very hard to get wind out of at times.
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2015, 13:57:12 pm »
My dd was very hard to wind but woukd cry with trapped wind!
I used to lay her across my lap (me in sitting position, her on her belly, face on my leg) raise one knee slightly, and then just pat. Also holding under armpits lifting up & gently wiggling side to side, seemed to wiggle the trapped wind out.  Also gently patting the side of the back (around ribs) helped sometimes! Often i would be sat 20/30 minutes until i got some wind out. But if i didnt she would be super grumpy. She wad happy to sit & be winded (it sounds like i was putting her through hell 😂)

Do you wind part way through the feed or only at the end? I sometimes found winding every 2/3 oz would help too.
We tried infacol tbh i didnt think it helped any more than a thorough winding after feed.
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2015, 15:57:42 pm »
I'm winding whenever I get the opportunity, really! He's coming off the breast struggling with the flow sometimes so I'm guessing that's the root of the issue and will hopefully improve with time.

I've changed position to lying down to see if that helps, and I've had him in the sling today.
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2015, 16:58:48 pm »
Helen, the only way that I could wind DS was to very gently stroke the nape for a minute or so or until he burped.  Worth a try.  xx



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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2015, 18:06:08 pm »
Have you checked out links on over-active letdown? There may be things you can do before you get to the windy stage. :)
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2015, 18:10:32 pm »
I think it's more to do with the flow once things get going than letdown - from what I observe he struggles later in the feed.

Just tried laid-back nursing to see if that helps. Should give him more control, you'd think.
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2015, 13:36:57 pm »
My DS was like that. We had to give Infacol with every feed until he was 3 months, as well as all the prolonged upright burping, tummy stroking, pushing legs to tummy & bicycling them.

I felt bad giving medication to such a young baby but it really helped him & us & is safe for newborns & sold over the counter without prescription at most chemists. Something to consider if nothing else works xxx

« Last Edit: November 26, 2015, 13:38:52 pm by Scottishmummy »
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2015, 14:34:32 pm »
Thanks! I think we are getting most of it up now, and the midwife showed me a few tricks.

He just wouldn't settle last night though, and after we'd tried everything else under the sun I gave him a dummy and he went peacefully off to sleep. I'm a bit leery of one, especially so early (he's now two and a half weeks) but maybe it's what he needs?
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2015, 15:04:16 pm »
I'm a bit leery of one, especially so early (he's now two and a half weeks) but maybe it's what he needs?
I am so pro paci lol.  Granted, I did FF my DS so I didn't really have to worry about nipple confusion or anything like that.  My doctor was also very pro paci, breast feeding or not, right from day 1.  Some babies just need to suck to settle, and if it isn't a paci it's going to be something else.  DS was so colicky and so windy that it was our only saving grace, otherwise he would just scream for hours on end.  I think I would have died if we didn't use one.  Personal preference though :)  Everyone has their reasons for using/not using one :)



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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2015, 15:07:45 pm »
It's just all very new to me, yk? DS flat out rejected anything but the breast from very early on, never had a comfort item either. But this guy is different. And it's not like he's not getting enough to eat after 11 feeds in 24hrs!
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2015, 16:26:56 pm »
Dummies are amazing I think. It's so good to be able to give them such comfort so easily - and anyone can do it. So I know that when I leave him he has something that will relax him and help him sleep that isn't me!! It's really good for my DH as well - his parents were really against it but with the twins it was only at about 4 months or so when they would take it that he really felt like he could get properly involved in the nights especially. And I don't think I believe in nipple confusion - little twin took a bottle of formula for about the first 4 weeks and would switch between breast and bottle with no problems at all. And my little guy has a dummy and BF just fine. Someone on here gave me some lovely advice along the lines of "if it works for your family then that's all that matters" and I think you do have to look at it as a family thing - for me, a dummy helps me get more sleep and frees me up a bit to spend time with the twins which is just as important.

Sorry, that's a bit of a rant!! Glad things are going well. How is your big boy taking to his new role?

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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2015, 17:18:12 pm »
He's a lovely big brother :)
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2015, 20:07:27 pm »
LO1 had a soother from about 3 days old - he was just such a sucky baby that if he'd been on the breast all the time he wanted to suck, he'd have been chucking up all over the place, there's only so much room in a baby tummy. He was EBF for 17 mos, had some bottles of EBM in the early months before I gave up pumping. My point is he took both soother and bottle and breast with no problem.  I was always (even at 3 days old!) super careful just to give the dummy for sleep time, it became a strong sleep association for him, and helped him to relax.  I really think soothers have their place.  I wouldn't give them out automatically but for the right baby they can really help.

LO2 flat out refused anything plastic in her mouth. That's another story!!!!!!
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2015, 20:25:48 pm »
Yes, I am only offering at sleep time - he's used it three times today and gone to sleep happily each time. I do think it is what he needs, as last night nothing else worked. His digestion is moving well, he's not in any pain, he just needs something to help him relax and let go into sleep.

His sleep cues are not really obvious so I'm clock-watching a bit, but it seems to be working so far. Fx this will help us with the nights!
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2015, 21:14:07 pm »
My daft baby took a dummy in the early days, and round about 3 months started refusing it  ::). He now sleeps sucking in the end of his muslin cloth. I guess all you can do is follow their needs  :).

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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2015, 08:48:02 am »
Yep :)

It's great, this whispering business, isn't it? You do really have to slow down and listen to what they are telling you.

Last night he had a stretch in with us, but also two periods in his nest where he went in awake and settled with the dummy and some gentle rocking of the nest. So I guess as it's difficult to put him down asleep, we are working on independent sleep already. I tucked him in and held the dummy for him while he wanted it. One time he drifted off with me there, the second I left him to it after ten minutes or so to see what he did, and he went right to sleep. Going to try it for a couple of naps, I think.,
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2015, 08:55:40 am »
Both my ebf babies had pacifiers from day one and never had any problems with nipple confusion! It's comforting, helps them fall asleep on their own, and supposedly reduces sids risk if they fall asleep with it in their mouths.

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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2015, 08:02:43 am »
I'm back!

We are now having less difficulty in getting wind up :), possibly because I've started using gripe water as recommended by the midwife. I'm not using it for all feeds though, so could it be helping even when not used? Somehow conditioning his body to get used to bringing wind up?

We are getting more possetting as a result though. I'm guessing that's normal? We had very very little before so I'm not worried about it, more wondering.
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2015, 16:13:41 pm »
I'd say that sounds about right.

Is it still going ok?
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Re: Talk to me about burping and wind
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2015, 16:20:31 pm »
Variable, last night was pretty awful tbh. Some days he's easy to wind, others impossible - which makes for difficult evenings).

He still hasn't slept more than a couple of hours in a row in his own bed. As soon as he is put down his eyes open, no matter what stage of sleep he's in. I've managed to get him to go off by himself starting in the crib a couple of times but he invariably wakes half an hour later.

He's definitely uncomfortable but I'm worried that we are setting ourselves up with a prop of some sort. He's so different from DS1 - much much lighter sleeper - so I feel a bit like we are starting from scratch again. That said it is a pleasure to have a baby who wants to snuggle up, and who will nod off peacefully in your arms.
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