Milk/Soy Protein Intolerance - MSPI - READ HERE!!!

[First Time Mom]

Well I have some good news! I have slowly added back some cheese and milk products into my diet and dd is not reacting, today is also day 2 of giving her plain yogurt (4 tablespoons today) and her poop tonight was normal! How can her poop have been runny for 3 days from intaking milk last week but fine with yogurt and from me taking in milk products again? Does this make sense? I do plan on continuing the yogurt and increasing the amounts each day, then trying cheese maybe at the end of the week, then milk again the week after.

I am surprised to hear of the doctor suggesting calcium supplements for the lo. Both doctors, the hospital, and the allergist never suggested this to me even after I expressed my concerns about calcium! I guess it's too late now, I hope she got enough in the past from the calcium added in her cereal and from bfing (I took a supplement). Funny how I've always worried about this though, I know this sounds dumb but she only has 2 teeth at 12 months and I've even wondered if her teeth weren't popping out because of not enought calcium! Can't say I have complained about the lack of teeth though, it sure has made bfing easier!

[SAHNE]

Good news!!  Maybe she just needed to adjust  
Hope it continues to go well for you!
Steph

[hayleysmum]

Marian - great news!

Looks like our DD is still intolerant as she's increased the frequency of BMs in the past week since resuming dairy.   They range from "normal" (for her) to watery to mucousy and they stink like nobody's business!.  She's also developed a nasty nappy rash which she's never had before. 

So we're now back to observing a dairy free diet and I guess will re-challenge in a couple of months.  It's definitely an improvement from birth though as she hasn't developed any eczema or hasn't been vomitting so I'm guessing she's nearly outgrown it. 

I do have a couple of questions:

1.  Has anyone's LO been ok on goat's milk products but still intolerant to cow's milk?

2.  Likewise, I know that soy intolerance usually goes hand in hand with cow's milk intolerance but I'm wondering what percentage of kids tolerate soy?

[First Time Mom]

My dd was able to have soy but not goat's milk, I had soy all along with no reaction but the one time I tried goat's milk cheese she had watery stool and blood.

How did you introduce the dairy to her? I had started with the milk during the milk challenge but then she got runny bm so I stopped after the first day. I waited 3 days for her stool to get normal and then I gave her a tiny amount of plain yogurt, she was fine with it, I continued the plain yogurt for about 5 days then started with cheese, yesterday I started the milk again and she was fine this time around. We had our 12 month appt with the ped the other day and she said that she wasn't surprised about dd's bm from the milk because dd had gone 11 months w/o any dairy at all so it's their enzymes breaking down the lactose giving the problem that resulted in loose bm, not necessarily the protein allergy since she was fine with the yogurt and cheese. Maybe wait a week or so for her bm to get back to normal, then introduce a small amount of plain yogurt to try.

I have now introduced most dairy back into my diet! I've had cheese and products made from milk, I still haven't had actual milk as I'm suddenly really turned off by the smell of milk and can't imagine having even a drop in my cereal or coffee. I was never a big fan of milk but now I actually hate it!

[hayleysmum]

After her tummy bug cleared (at least I'm assuming it was a tummy bug) we started with small amounts of dairy.  Half a pot of Petit Filous yoghurt with her cereal and then trace amounts of butter in my cooking.  We stuck with the same amount for a week because I figured the same thing about her not having had any dairy for nearly a year.  The stools have varied and by the end of the week she was pooping at least 4 times a day and a couple were super mucousy.  Her nappy rash is so bad, she screams whenever I try to wipe her bum... 

After I posted last night, she vomited all over her cot an hour or so after she went to bed and continued with dry heaves for an hour or so.  There was a teaspoon of soy sauce in the salmon burgers that I made for dinner last night so I'm guessing that could have been the culprit eventhough it would have been such a small amount given what she actually ate.  It's so hard to know!  I haven't officially challenged her on soy but I also haven't been diligent about it and she's likely had trace amounts of soy in bread, etc. which certainly hasn't triggered any major reaction.

Will speak to the dietician for advice this week as we don't see the gastro until the middle of January.  It's so disappointing as it's birthday party season now and she can't have any cake  (which at the end of the day, probably isn't such a bad thing...)

[First Time Mom]

That's unfortunate about her reaction, it does sound like she can't tolerate the milk quite yet if she's reacting like this with yogurt and butter. I know what you mean about the birthday cake, I really wanted my dd to have a taste of her birthday cake the day of her party, I ended up giving her a very tiny piece to try (it was day 3 after her milk related runny bm), I probably shouldn't have but I did. You're right, it's not a bad thing that she can't have cake, it's us moms that want them to taste cake, not them, they don't know what they're missing and there's lots of time when they're older to eat cake!

I would try to stay away from soy sauce (if it's the normal soy sauce) as it's very high in salt, I would instead start with small amounts of soy milk when testing her on soy, was there anything else in the burgers that she could have reacted to or do you think for sure it was the soy?

[hayleysmum]

There was less than one teaspoon of soy sauce across the entire batch (it made 8 patties and she ate 1/2 of one) so it would have been a very little amount.  Likewise, I only use reduced sodium soy sauce as I'm particularly sodium sensitive myself and rarely use any salt in cooking.

I'm not 100% certain it was the soy sauce but she's eaten everything else in the burger (ginger, coriander, garlic, bread crumbs, egg and salmon) before without any issue.

I made a trial vegan birthday cake tonight with orange juice and it wasn't all that bad (at least according to my DH).  My attempt at the vegan frosting on the other hand, didn't go so well and has just ended up down the drain...  Her birthday is this coming Wednesday but the joint birthday party we're having with friends isn't until the 10th so I figure I've got a bit of time to get it right    I said that I'd make the cake so that I know that Hayley can have some!

[Cassie]

Well Palmer is weaned!  WOO HOO for me!!!  I just finished a Starbuck's peppermint mocha and it was yummy!

Palmer is getting rice milk fortified with rice protein and flax oil twice a day.  I plan on trialing soy yogurt again next week. 

Miran - that is awesome that your lo is tolerating things so much better now!  I hope Palmer gets to that point soon.

[Mydreamcametrue]

Looks like I am officially part of the MSPI group now.  My lo is 15.5 months old and never could tolerate milk.  At first he was super constipated, then it became loose, then diahrerra and then mucus and very larget stinky poo's.  We trailed Soy (which I was nervous about because he showed (+) to the allergy test at 9 mos, but just showed (-) at 15 mos.).  Anyhow we trailed soy and it was actually worse.

So we are now on Rice milk.  What Rice protien do you add?  The one I bought was MLO Brown Rice Protein and it smells awful.  I made Zach a cup of it tonight with 1 tablespoon and 8 oz. of milk and some strawberry nesquick and it smelled awful.  I thought I was going to throw up.

He took a few sips, but you could tell he was not sure about it.

Are there any better tasting rice proteins?

Thanks, Wendy

[Mom to M&M]

Wendy - if the rice protein tastes/smells bad and is complicating things, I'd just do plain rice milk (maybe with flax oil blended in) and focus on getting protein in another way.

[murkywaters]

Thankyou for posting that list!  I'm starving and don't know what do eat now I do!! 
I was told to stop breastfeeding and put her on formula (2$ a feed) She won't take a bottle and I don't really want her to anyway.  So now that I know what I can eat and some good alternatives I feel so much better.  There are some things on that list that I would never have thought of myself!
What about CALCIUM DISODIUM EDTA is this ok?

[Mydreamcametrue]

Well Zach liked the Rice Milk.  He has drank 2 cups of it today alrady (with the nasty protein in it).  Maybe it is just me and I think it taste bad.

This is SO much easier than I thought :-)

[Mydreamcametrue]

I got Pillsbury Cresent Rolls and Cornbread Twirls today (by the biscuits).  The ingredients DO NOT list any milk or soy (well soybean oil), but that is it.

Why would the cresent rolls not have milk in it, but the biscuits do? 

Do anyone of you use Pillsbury?

[GraceKellysmom]

For the poster re: soy sauce. Doesn't soy sauce have MSG in it? That is one of my worst offenders, soy sauce.

For the poster re: calcium disodium, I think that is ok.

Cassie, that is great about Palmer! How are you doing emotionally with weaning? I was a big cry baby for weeks when Max weaned, I wasn't ready. Are you handling the dairy/soy ok, digestively?

[murkywaters]

I got Pillsbury Cresent Rolls and Cornbread Twirls today (by the biscuits).  The ingredients DO NOT list any milk or soy (well soybean oil), but that is it.

Why would the cresent rolls not have milk in it, but the biscuits do? 

Do anyone of you use Pillsbury?

biscuits have mega butter in them that's how they get them layery.