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I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« on: January 24, 2007, 20:20:28 pm »
I need help please!  I just do not know what to do or what direction to take at this point.  My son, David, is seemingly sleeping less and less.  We have recently moved to a new state (we have been here 3 weeks) and I know there are to be disruptions, but he has never slept through the night and now it is getting worse!  I discovered Tracy’s books and method of PU/PD a couple of months ago and began with David as quickly as I could.  I did feel almost immediately that we had made progress with PU/PD, but David still woke usually 3 or more times.  Now that we have moved, it has increased significantly and I am having a hard time functioning with such a lack of sleep.  Last night David woke 14 times before 4am, at which time he wouldn’t go back to sleep.  After trying for an hour and a half, I finally pulled him in the bed with me out of exhaustion.  He used to at least go 45 minutes before waking and now is maybe lasting 20.  I feel there are 2 main issues here (maybe more.)  The first one being that David wakes so much at night.  The second that somewhere in the PU/PD David started holding onto my hands to fall asleep and now that is a constant for him to fall asleep.  I am not sure how to change any of this.  Please, please give me at least some direction to go in to hopefully improve my situation.

How old is your child?  David is 14 months old. 

What’s his/her daily routine?  David’s routine includes breakfast, activity/play, downtime/reading/maybe nap, 10ish small snack, usually an errand, home for lunch, afternoon nap at 1, up around 3ish, snack, play and walk, dinner around 5:45, pj’s, play and wind down.  Then bedtime routine starts around 7pm

What’s nap routine?  We are slowly going to 1 nap, some days he still has 2.

How long are naps?  Naps vary, anywhere from 45mins to 2 hours.

What's bedtime routine? Time?  David’s bedtime routine is a 7 starts with a clean diaper, then brushing teeth, saying good night to the animals and Daddy, talking about his day, reading a book, breastfeed, singing one song, and then put into bed awake.  After he is put into bed, he usually rolls around and plays to get his last bit of energy out and then he lays down where he wants to hold my hands until he falls asleep.

Do you bottle or breastfed??  Breastfeed

How much? or how long? David has recently cut down to 3 feedings a day, when he wakes in the morning, after his afternoon nap, and before bed.

If breastfed.. one side or both?? (at each feed)  He feeds on both sides.

How many wakes per night?  Lately more than 9, last night 14 times.

What’s your LO like when waking at night? How long is he/she up? David usually wakes up, I or my husband go in, put his pacifier in his hand, cover him up and he holds our hand until asleep again, usually taking less than 4 minutes, but sometimes he wakes up completely and is up for more than an hour. 

When you go to him/her is she fussing or crying? Or is it a mantra cry?  I would say that his crying is usually more fuss and a mantra cry.

What have you tried to settle??  PU/PD is what we have been using.

What do you do for A time and how long is it?  Activity varies, we play with toys, read, go for walks, run errands.

Are there developmental issues such as teething or milestones?  David seems to be constantly teething, although I do not believe he is getting any right now.  We have recently moved (within the last 3 weeks), not the first time in his short lifetime (my husband is a student.)

Have you introduced cereal? Why, how much, and how many times a day? (for LO’s under 6 months)  NA

Do they have a prop? If so what is it?  David’s prop is his pacifier and my hands

Do they have a lovie?  I have tried introducing several things as a lovie to him, but nothing has caught on as of yet. 

I do not know what to do.  I am open to all suggestions, I just want help, please! 
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 20:23:29 pm »
Just before I read all of your post I just wanted to say that I have popped it over here to sleeping for toddlers.. where we tend to give help on sleep for LOs over 12 months..

Now lets see if I can help you in any way...

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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 20:31:16 pm »
Welcome to the boards!

Unfortunately, i am the last person who can give you advice....my 15 month old lily is at the same thing as your little fellow....just wanted to offer some {{{HUGS}}} and eavesdrop! ;)
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 20:38:03 pm »
Hi lovey I am back.. I have read through your post..

First of all can I offer you my hugs xxx I can understand how you must feel.. having an 18 month old who rarely sleeps through the night.

I am by no means an expert at all this.. and have not breastfed William so I can't really comment on that but one thing jumps out at me that I would like to ask about.

You mention that someone goes to him when he wakes and then talk about his cries as more fussing and a mantra cry than real crying.. is it possible that this fussing and mantra cry is his attempt at trying to self soothe and go back to sleep.. and that you going in might be preventing him from doing that and going back to sleep by himself? If you left him for a short while when he is fussing or mantra crying do you think he may go back to sleep?  I only go to William in the night if he is truly crying and not just having a fuss or mantra crying.. I hear him wake on the monitor but more often than not he actually goes back to sleep after a short time of moaning a bit.

Secondly PU/PD may be too stimulating for your son.. it is a great method but tends to be more effective for younger children. You might want to read up on Walk in Walk out or gradual withdrawal for methods that may be your way forward. You can find posts about these in this board.

Finally I just want to say that although you have been in your new home for 3 weeks your little one may still be getting used to his new environment and may be needing your reassurance. He may also be suffering with some separation anxiety - there is a lot of info and advice about that in posts on this board too.

Have a look at this faq section...

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?board=91.0

Don't worry there is a way forward and once you have done a bit of reading of other posts in this board you will see you are not alone and we can help you to figure a way forward that will help you and David get more sleep.

Helen xxx

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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 20:40:51 pm »
OOhh forgot to say... it could possibly be teething.. at 14 months William was plagued by teething pains even though there were not really any outward signs. Maybe having some teething meds before bed may help him to be more settled. I use medised here at bedtime if woo has a cold or is teething as it helps aid restful sleep as well as soothing pain. Calpol / Tylenol is also good. Of course I wouldn't recommend using it every night.. but you may find trying it could provide an answer to why he is so unsettled and keeps waking.

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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 20:54:00 pm »
Ahh big hugs to you.It's exhausting isn't it.
We tried everything when Emily wasn't sleeping,although it took us until she was 16 months to find this site ::)
One of the Moms gave me this advise which took under a week to work,totally transformed my life at the time.
This is what I did;
When he wakes up,go in lay him down (if he's up) or 1 stroke to the head,a light goodnight,go out and shut the door,
If he's crying,count to 10.go in,lay him down or 1 stroke,go out and shut the door,
count to 10.
Go in and carry on until he's asleep.
Now,the first night is hell,there will be screaming and crying,but you must persevere but I promise you will get there.
Only go in if he's crying,if he stops crying when you get to 4 (eg) then stop counting,if he starts again,just carry in counting from where you stopped and go in.

I wouldn't recommend you leave it any longer than 10 but you can make the 10 fast or short ie;12345678910 or 1........2....................3...................4....................5etc

With Emily,it normally took up to 3 hours to get her to bed,then waking up to 15 times a night.
The first night we did this it took 51 mins,no night wakings
2nd night 30 mins and a few night wakings
the 3rd night was about 8 mins and a few night wakings and then after that it was only a couple of counts and that was that,sleep for me (bliss)

Hang in there,I know sometimes you feel so tired you can just sleep right there and then next to them,I'd give it a try though.
Let me know how you do.xx
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 20:57:07 pm »
Oh also,does he have a little night light?If yes then just check there's no shadows that couldbe worrying him,if not,then maybe get a little one and see if that helps
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2007, 03:29:38 am »
After we moved, my LO needed a night light as her new room was much darker than her old one.  Read the Methods for Teaching Independent Sleep FAQ and decide which one will work best for you.  Jessica and Emilys mummy did a great job of explaining walk in/walk out to you, you could also go with the gradual withdrawal method if you are more comfortable with that.  That would allow you to wean him from the hand holding and then wean yourself out of the room.  My guess is he is dependent on holding your hands to get back to sleep and is waking because they aren't there.  Whatever method you pick, commit to doing it consistently for two weeks and then reevaluate -- post back with any questions you have and we'll be happy to help you out.  Sounds like rough going, I really hope we can figure out something to help you.

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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2007, 04:09:18 am »
Just wanted to send you some hugs, David's momma, because you sound so desperate. It will get better!



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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 04:25:49 am »
Big hugs to you!  My 15MO is a terrible sleeper too.  We have tried SO many things and nothing seems to change for us.  I do think that it could be his attachment to your hand that's making him need you to go back to sleep. (Can he find his paci on his own?)  A gradual withdrawl might be for you to do a "long pat".  Not sure how he holds your hand or if you just need to rest it on him, but could you touch him for a count of 9 and then off for a count of 1.  Then touch for a count of 8 and off for a count of 2, touch for 7 off for 3, etc.  Once he doesn't need your touch, you could do Walk In/Walk Out (WI/WO) or a gradual withdrawl (GW).

You might also consider some schedule changes - not sure when he wakes up for the day and the duration to his nap at 1pm, but I know it's tough for me to get my DD down for bed at 7pm-ish if she wakes from her nap at 3pm.  She did this just yeterday and was going strong until 8:30pm.  Of course we had what seemed like a thousand wakeup/shoutouts last night... :o  I don't have any suggestions, but others might or there might be a sample schedule post for 12-18MO.
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2007, 19:41:39 pm »
Thank you for all the wonderful suggestions.  I now have directions I can go in! 
I think that I might should automatically start with Gradual Withdrawal since David is so dependent on my hands?  (I feel so blind with motherhood most of the time!)  Would WI/WO be too traumatic?
Thank you all again.
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 19:54:30 pm »
ALSO -
Jessica and Emily Mummy asked, and we do not have a nite light (we actually do, but I thought it was too bright and keeping David awake.)  I think that the room it fairly light at night anyways, so I wasn't going to use one. 
I believe the another question was about David's paci, sometimes he finds it and other times he can't.  I have stopped putting it in his mouth when I go in after he has woken.  I will only put it in his hand now... 
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 19:56:10 pm »
If it makes you feel any better,I can guarantee that all Mothers are blind most of the time.
I had so many problems with Emily's sleep because she really was the most clingy baby/child I've ever seen.She would be asleep for ages and as soon as I went to go out of the room,then she would instantly wake and scream and scream.For me gradual withdrawal was a lot worse,actually it didn't do anything,but with the WI/WO it was 3 nights.
I can't tell you what to do,but you know your baby best and whatever you decide to do we will always be here for you.So when you're feeling stressed or upset and especially over the moon then please come and tell us xx
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 19:58:25 pm »
Just read the previous post to mine,if the room is lighter than his old room,then it could be too different for him so he could be feeling anxious.COuld try blackout lining at window with either fairy lights (can get dragonfly ones )or a lamp with a 25w bulb
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Re: I need help! My 14 month old has never slept thru the night!
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 20:17:44 pm »
I'm in a similar situation too.  ::) My plan (to be implemented once Callum is over his current cold and we are back from holidays in a couple of weeks) is to do gradual withdrawal to the point where he can fall asleep without holding my hand, then go to wi/wo.
I had started the gradual withdrawal before this cold, I do it by at first letting him hold my hand til he's just about asleep, then taking it away. Over a few days take it away sooner and sooner, till he just gets a little pat when he first goes into the cot.
HTH, let us know how you're getting on!
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