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never ending battle it seems
« on: April 10, 2007, 11:48:40 am »
ok perhaps im just venting. just when my LO seems to be doing better for a week, the next week she takes a step backwards. She turned 1 on March 28th. I've been having problems with her eating off and on since 7 months of age. She is now on milk bottles. When I showed the Dr. a chart of what she's been eating...charted it for a week and it was a semi ok week, she said no wonder why she sometimes gets up early and/or in the middle of the night for a bottle. Folks in this forum have mentioned many times that her recent average of about 25 to 27 ounces is too much. Yesterday I tried real hard to cut down bottles. She was diagnosed with a MINOR ear infection last Wednesday so maybe it's not a good time to do that. this is what happened. She barely had 1 scrambled egg yesterday for breakfast. I managed to get her to skip her 2nd bottle of the day because she ate a whole 4 oz of the le creme yogurt. than she basically had no lunch and I blended some bannana in with her milk. Dr. suggested I try stuff like that since she is such a picky eater. It was originally 6 oz but it grew when I put the bananna in and she wouldn't drink it all. I than sat her down for supper twice and gave her a 4oz bottle in between. than at bed time, I tried to give her a 6 oz bottle, but almost an hour later she had 4 more. Believe me I know when she wants a bottle. Than she woke up at midnight and my rule if she wakes up before a certain time is she gets water. I tried that but than she wouldn't stop crying and I thought something was wrong...but turns out she was hungry. I HAD to give her 4 oz. All week she's been hardly eating or not enuf for her age. last nights dinner by the way was just a small amount of noodles and she might of picked on a FEW veggies. I just don't know how I'm going to cut down these bottles when she isn't eating like she should. Please remember even with the amoutn of milk she is on...she has what I would call GOOD eating days/weeks.
Chayse was born March 28, 2006
Chaunda was born August 13, 2007

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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2007, 18:40:38 pm »
Mary
I had a thought about how you can cut out some of the btls.In one of tracys book she gives a method for making the btls as unattractive as pos.Its generally used for toddlers who are over 2yrs and still dependant on btls but i really think it would be worth a try.

***Make the btl less attractive.Cut a slit in the nipple, about 6-9mm across.Wait four days and then cut a slit the other way, so you'll have an X.After another week,cut first 2 and then all 4 of the triangles.Eventually, you'll have 1 big square opening and your child will lose interest altogether.****

Also instead of offering milk when she won't eat (teething etc) you can try things like smoothies which you can put loads of fruit in.

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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2007, 18:44:12 pm »
Add tofu to that smoothie made with full fat yogurt and you've got yourself a meal! I know one of the women in our birth club had great luck with this with her DD.
Have you tried also a straw cup or sippy cup? I know when we were working on ditching the bottles, straw cups worked better for DS because he did not have to figure out how to tip it back. But then he didn't end up drinking near as much milk because it came out faster.
Just a thought.
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2007, 19:24:35 pm »


just a thought, but my ds went off his solids and i was pulling my hair out, till i gave him a spoon so he could start to feed himself whilst i actually fed him, everytime he opened his mouth to put his spoon in i got in 1st ;D
he always has his own spoon now and he manages to get quite a bit in his mouth on his own ;D

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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 15:21:39 pm »
Thanks for the advise. Last night she did have some mac and cheese. I don't know what is going on. Every 3 hours she is begging for a bottle. Today so far I have tried her scrambled eggs, some toast, pieces of an orange and yogurt. This was split between two sittings. She had a bottle at around 8am "6 oz".  She had some of the egg and a bite of the orange. That was it. AT around 10:45am.....I mixed milk with 1/2 bannana and some of her yogurt. She drank I believe 2 oz and didn't want anymore. Well between 11 and 11:30am...she was absolutely miserable. I kept putting the bottle I made up to her mouth and one time she tried to take a sip but didn't want it. Finally since she was miserable, I was miserable and it was past her nap time, I had to POUR it out, poor just regular milk into the bottle and she drank it down.   Believe me I tried. She was crying crying crying. I noticed her stools are soft. She has 3 days left of this medicine she is on for a minor ear infection. When she is off this medicine perhaps I'll try the slit idea. This is the 2nd attempt in the past 2 weeks with trying to make some kind of a shake. The last time....she sort of did the same thing...well actually she drank some of it, but was eating a little better that day, so she didn't beg for a real bottle. However, that was the day I tried to really cut down on bottles and it backfired on me when she wanted to drink a lot before bed and woke up twice in the middle of the night crying for bottles.
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 15:24:14 pm »
I just posted, but forgot.....she makes a mess with straw cups. but, is good with her sippys as long as I hold it. She will only drink water from them. She tends to drink a decent amount of water every day. I do also let her hold spoons and folks.
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 16:14:29 pm »
Is it possible that she's just thirsty when asking for a bottle? So like, when she wants one - you could just offer her water from a sippy and then go do something else to distract?

I'd hold off on doing much of anything until that ear infection has cleared - likely she's using the b for comfort and if she's in pain, then you don't want to take that away from her. Do be aware though that too much bottle can equal ear infections....

I almost wonder (with the nighttime feeds) if the bottle isn't a prop? A 13 month old drinking 4 ounces in the night is not a hungry 13 month old...if she were truly hungry, don't you think that she would eat more? Do you feel like you could be firm about no bottles during the night, and upping food intake during the day? I think that if she stopped drinking at night she might be more hungry during the day and the food intake would start to correct itself?
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 16:22:33 pm »
I know so many factors and each situation is so unique. Many times she has gone thru the night without a bottle. Just recently she's started again. Or sometimes it's like 1/2 the week she gets up for one and the other 1/2 she doesn't. The night before last, I gave her water, but she only ended up crying for a bottle. I mean she reallly crying. That was after the day I really!!! tried cutting down bottles, but she never ate as good as she should. In the past, when she's been eating fairly normal....my moto was if I thought she had enuf to drink during the day, if she woke up before 3:30am, she got water. That actually has worked a few times. The other night it didnt' and last night she woke up twice. The first time, I gave her water - but the 2nd time about an hour and half later I gave her a bottle. I go downstairs and make the bottle and only offer her a small amount. I don't want her getting into the habit of drinking 6-8 oz bottles in the middle of the night as she has in the past. I had her on about 24-27 oz of milk a day. I know, I try to cut down but it's hard with her eating habits. Yesterday it was a total of 30 oz for the day. That is so discouraging. She just recently had a fairly good eating week too. It's just as soon as we take a step forward, she takes a step back.
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 16:38:38 pm »
Is she underweight, or is there a medical reason why you need to be overly concerned with her eating?

The reason I ask is that I've seen lots of moms get a bit fixated on their toddler's food consumption constantly concerned that they're not eating enough, or not good eaters, and this can turn into a disaster later in toddlerhood...where you've got a 2 year old using food as a hot button with mom...and it's not fostering healthy eating habits later in life.

Do you know her cries well enough to know if she is crying because she is sad/upset, or if she is crying because she is mad about not getting her way? I had a REALLY hard time distinguishing those cries when my DS first started to throw fits when not getting his way (which for us happened around 12/13 mos), but if you listen and assess the situation you might find that she's really just throwing a tantrum for the bottle. And that's the point that you have to decide what you'll give in to and what you won't.

I TOTALLY understand that you're concerned about her not being a good eater, but unless there's a medical reason that your Doctor is concerned with her weight gain, I'd say decide when she can and can not have a bottle (i.e. she gets one before her bath, and all other beverages are delivered in X type of cup) and stick to it (regardless of crying) and also decide when she can and can't have food - like establish snack times to sub for a bottle time. For 4 days. You might want to think about the typical times that she cries for a bottle too, and then try to avert the bottle cry by offering a snack before she gets a chance to realize she's hungry/thirsty and wants a bottle. Above all, I'd say figure out a plan and stick to it for at least 4 days before you decide something's not working.

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I know it's frustrating!

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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 11:34:50 am »
I'm getting confused at what to do. My LO is either not eating or is very picky. I try very hard to sit her down and offer her foods many times a day. I try very hard at times to cut down on bottles. Because of this she is hungry and it almost seems she is constantly hungry. No more than 3 hours sometimes even 2 hours go by and she is literally crying for a bottle. At that point, trying food will NOT work. This is causing her to increase her milk intake and she's getting up in the middle of the night again. I just dont' know what to do. She has been sitting in her high chair for almost an hour now. She is watching tv. I made homemade waffles and she hardly took any bites. She whined a few times. I tried yogurt. Not too long ago, she would at least eat between 1 and 3 oz of yogurt in the morning. Today is her last day on the medicine...I hope that is it. She did have a bottle at 6am. I do try feeding her first in the morning and sometimes it works a little. Like for almost a week she would have maybe 2 oz of some cereal she was eating. This morning I gave her the bottle though. It's 8am and I'm guessing at around 9am, she'll be crying for a bottle and I'll have no choice because I really need her to take her nap today. I think this entire ordeal is even affecting her sleep. This isn't a case of her not being hungry for the most part. She's starving and she wants her bottles. Welp got to go take her down from her chair....she isn't eating. I'll have to do what I did yesterday and pour the yogurt into her bottle which she did drink. If I put any fruit in it, she won't drink it.
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 12:49:17 pm »
i tried some more choices at around 745am
took a nibble or two of the apple pieces and bread. Mostly played with it and than whined to get down.
apple pieces, bread, tangerine pieces is what i offered. so 2 breakfast sittings.
than out of desperation, i sat on the floor and let her stand and made a mess getting maybe 1oz of cereal in her.
i let her hold the spoon and she took some bites by sort of feeding her self, but she gave up fast and didnt' want anymore.
than at 910am i coild not take the constant whining and crying
i gave her 4oz bottle of milk mixed w/yogurt which made it a good 6oz bottle and she gulped it down within minutes. and is now back to a normal mood. i gave her bottle at 6am and desparately tried to get her to eat off and on from like 7:15am until 9am. Ya she did pick a little here and there. She tends to want her bottles especially in the morning 3 hours apart so come 9am, FORGET IT!! she is going to cry cry cry until she gets her bottle. Why? because she's hungry. believe me she isn't eating good enuf to accomodate for not having bottles. The poor thing.
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 13:52:23 pm »
just wondering if you are attempting to reduce the bottles, and you know that there are danger points, like the 9am urge, can you plan to be out doing something fun at 9am? perhaps be in the car enroute somewhere, and have a little cup of snacks in front of her? is she ok at feeding herself little pieces?



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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 14:21:22 pm »
she woke at 5:30am and can't stay up much longer than 4 hours in the mornign especially when getting up early. She can eat most things on her own, as long as there safe to eat of course.
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 15:17:27 pm »
Is it possible that she's getting teeth, or molars and the sucking feels good, and chewing hard food hurts?
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 15:52:00 pm »
its possible she could be teething. getting her to fall asleep at night is difficult these days.
but I am giving her a lot of soft foods...like she usually always likes scrambled eggs and noodles.
At noon time "which is right now basically" I made some mac and cheese. she seems to be doing ok with this. She won't really let me feed her with teh fork, fed herself sort of a few times...mostly just wants to pick the macaroni off her tray which is fine. She at least looks like she wants to eat it "lol" and not just a nibble or two. I mean in the end, she still might not eat a LOT but at least it's something.
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2007, 16:07:12 pm »
she quickly decided no more
started throwing it all around
tried reading a book to her
still wanted nothing more to do with it
it will never hold her over.
so far today 2 bottles
6oz
40z mixed w/yogurt
its only 1230
last bottle was 9ish
she will most likely cry for a bottle soon
i can try a 2nd lunch seating before giving in
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2007, 16:32:14 pm »
just giving u an idea of day a little.
cant do a 2nd lunch session.
its 1:00pm & she just drank 6oz
she was whining,escalating to crying & than while I was preparing it she was grabbing at my legs & crying.

Chayse was born March 28, 2006
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2007, 07:48:41 am »
Lovely picture of you LO Mary :-* :-* :-* :-*.

OK the throwing off food etc is completly normal for toddlers.Sasha would do this around your LOs age and i just took at as a sign she was no longer hungry.
Just get her down from the high chair and say "oh you are not hungry then" and thats it.
Regarding the sippy cups i would let her hold them herself.don't worry about the mess-toddlers make lots of mess.i think this is a btl dependency AND also a independence thing.
Toddlers will often have "battles" over food.its the reaction we give that determines the outcome.basically they are not controlling us but starting to assert their independence and food is one thing they will do it with.
Mary please don't think i'm being offensive thats not my intention at all. :-* :-* :-*

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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2007, 12:59:50 pm »
eggs "1 scrambled egg with cheese"
apple pieces
waffle "homemade"
cheerios
orange pieces
yogurt

those r all the foods I tried to offer this morning and stuff she's had before.
2 sessions (different foods each session). Also did solids before first bottle.
hardley eat anything. picked a little at cheerios, orange pieces and maybe a few bites of the egg. played with a couple apple pieces and refused everything else. It's 9:15am and at 6:30/6:45am she had her first bottle. That was after session #1. I offered 6 oz but I think she only drank 5 oz. At 9:10am right after she basically refused the 2nd session of breakfast she would NOT stop crying. It wasn't even 3 hours since the last bottle. But than again, I can't say she ate like a champ either. I mean she would not stop crying. I tried session #2, so putting her back in the chair would not of worked. I had to give her a bottle. I did what
I did yesterday. Made about a 4 oz bottle and poured the yogurt into it and mixed it up. She drank it down like it was no tomorrow. Of course, she's hungry.

yesterday was last day of medicine and I'm almost hoping she's teething. I do agree she had an addiction to her bottles. At this point, with all the hard work I'm doing trying to get her to eat and her not eating or barely eating...it's like I have no choice. She's sooo hungry that she wants her bottles to compensate

She has many different sippy cups and she wont' even hold them. the only one she plays with is the one with the straw, but that is so she can suck up water and spit it out "lol". I do let her play with that one sometimes.
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2007, 16:05:42 pm »
You are doing a fine job, okay?  I sense that you are feeling like a failure about this eating/bottles thing.  Throw that thought out the window!  She's a happy, healthy little girl.  I think you need to try to relax about the food issue for a bit.  Remember her stomach is only as big as her fist, so if she is eating a few bites of egg, fruit, etc. That might be enough for her.  But, if she is getting filled up with a bottle, there isn't room for anything else.  
Also, sitting in her highchair for an hour at a time is probably too much for her.  It seems like it's starting to be a power struggle for you guys and you don't want to start that so early.
I know I said this before, but you need to ditch the bottles.  SHE WILL NOT STARVE!!!  I promise you.  She might drink less/eat less for a few days, but she is no dummy.  She will use the sippy cups and will eat when she is hungry.  Actually, a few kids on our birth thread skipped sippies altogether and went straight to straw cups/open cups. That was too scary for me (see my post about when to lose the sippy  ::)).
Why don't you talk to your pediatrician about dropping the bottles and how much food she really needs?  She/he could reassure you that it's best for her to have less bottles/milk and that she will eat enough if you take away the bottles.  It will let you know that your doctor knows you will not be hurting her if she doesn't eat that much for a few days.
Good luck!!!   :-*
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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2007, 19:53:42 pm »
i just want to add that you say she's crying for a bottle because she's hungry. have you thought about looking at this in sleep-training terms: perhaps she's crying because a) there's a new way of things in town and b) frustrated that you're not doing it the way she wants it. the pp is right, she *won't* starve, and until you start to withhold the bottles, her tummy will be too full of milk to eat properly.

plus every time you cave, just as with sleeping, you're making her cry for nothing, and it's showing her that if she cries enough, she's getting her own way anyway.

you mentioned a first sitting of breakfast at 6.30am? imvho that's a teeny bit early anyway. if i were you i'd draw up your day's routine, make one sitting for each meal, include two snacks, commit yourself to it, and jump in.

if you're having difficulties with early wakes, i'd skip on over to the sleep boards and see if an earlier bedtime would help with any of this. if she's overtired, she'll be more likely to react emotionally to the changes, kwim?

good luck! let us know how you do! {{hugs}}
 



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Re: never ending battle it seems
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2007, 18:44:45 pm »
Mary
Hope things are going a little better for you :-* :-*.
I agree with the PP so I won't repeat what the other lovely ladies have said.

Just remeber toddlers will go through phases of eating practically nothing.I think Sasha survived on 1 banana one day ::).

I know its incredibly difficult to be more relaxed about the whole food thing but for me it was a real turning point with Sasha when she was younger.If she didn't eat much,throw it on the floor etc then no big deal.She'll eat when she is hungry.