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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: LittleSplasherMum on November 06, 2015, 16:09:12 pm
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Hello, I was in the naps board for quite a while and had great help, now that ds is 13 months old I thought I'd pop in here to seek for more!
We've been transitioning for a while, but illness, teething, nursery have been on the way so we are still on two naps. We've had the occasional day with one nap when he woke later or he didn't sleep at nursery in the morning, but usually his routine is like this:
6-6.30 wu (it can be earlier but usually after 6)
11.15/11.30 nap 1 - usually between 1h and 1h30
3.30/3.45 nap 2 - 30 mins
7 bt - asleep by 7.15
We never get more than 1.30h for that main nap, and even 1.30 is only maybe once a week, usually it is more 1h15. Only this week I have tried for a couple of days to push that nap steadily at 11.30, and got a good nap once, then 1.15 again. Should I keep at it or try to push more? I should say that the second catnap is usually out and about as at home he's very difficult to settle, usually he refuses the nap completely. Although today he didn't even fall asleep in the pushchair for the first time. so not sure what to do about bed time, he only slept from 11.15 till 12.30! He has been teething for a few weeks now and only today I think on of the tooth has come through, alleluia, but there is till another one there, hopefully it'll follow shortly, they usually do.
At night he's been fine, no wakings or very rarely. Thanks for your help!
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Hi there, I'd continue to push the nap a little you might find you get a longer nap if you stick with your new time for a few days. Our routine was pretty much the same as yours until DS was about 15 months and CN was getting bit late in the day so I ditched the CN and brought BT earlier.
Your day looks pretty good honey x
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Thank you very much for taking a look and replying! Yesterday we got a good nap of 1h40, then a late catnap at 4.20 in the car, woke him after 20 mins. Bt was 7.15 and he slept till 6.40!! now I'm tempted to put him down at 12 and see if we can have one nap today...not sure if a good idea
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Sounds like a good day, maybe judge his mood and if seems to be getting tired just pop in bed few mins before 12.
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Well that was a disaster! :o DH took him out and got sleepy in the car at 11, stayed awake, then went down at 12.05 but only slept 35 minutes! I think I'm going to stick to 11.30 regardless of wu, like I was doing for a while. I hope he takes a longer nap this afternoon now... >:(
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35 mind was prob OT so yes give things a few days to stabilise.
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Do you remember what your DS's routine was like at 15 months?
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We were definitely one 1 nap, it was around 12-2 I'll see if I can find any of my own posts x
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Thank you! was bt 7 or earlier? x
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Hi our routine at 12 m was WU 7, nap 11.15-12.45, CN 4, BT 8.
By 16m it was WU 7, nap 12-2, BT 7-7.30.
HTH x
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Just checked back our day was 6 WU nap 12/12.15 BT 6.30/7pm. We did have a lot of short naps and NW at this age as canines were on the move and developmental stuff going on.
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Thank you both!! Yes there seems to be something going every week, now his cough is back and woke him up early this morning and an hour into his nap >:( It's hard to push that nap when he wakes early >:(
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Re reading your first post your day does fine. Looking at our day at around that age Olly was on 1.5 hours with a CN You will prob find when he drops that CN he will tack some of it on to the 1 nap :)
And yes - I remember singing at the top of my voice to stop olly dropping off in the car when it was too close to nap time! It didn't always work even with my awful voice and we had to muddle though! Even a quick 5 min nap can scupper the next one!
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Yes, that's exactly what happened yesterday, dh kept shouting at him from the front, but he still dozed off... >:( At the moment the problem is to get him to take that cn at home when I can't/don't want to go out! today it wasn't too bad, only took 10 minutes then he slept 25 minutes. Will carry on until we can get to 12 for his nap and hope for the best!x
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Hi hun, tbh I'm amazed you kept our routine for so long, you've done amazing! :)
Just popping in...Do you remember a while back he woke early at 5.30am or something and you still managed to push him through to his set nap time of 10.30/45? That resulted int he longest nap he has ever taken. Think that was back when I went on holiday in September if memory serves?
Given that, I'm with Zoe in that a push to a new set nap time might be in order. You can always apop your stroller nap later on for a quick 15mins to get to a reasonable BT, although it's getting quite dark out now so might not be as easy as it was before?? Xx
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Olly is a January baby and I vividly remember those walks to try and get the CN in. TBH it is easier now as it is dark outside and more conduce to sleep! Only trouble is when it is cold and wet too ::)
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Kellyjs, yes you're right, thank you for popping over to check on me! ;D So do you think I should do a set nap at 11.30? Last week I only managed twice, so I could try for another week and see how it goes. He is going to nursery one morning this week and there he doesn't sleep in the cot (or he used to but not anymore for some reason), so they put him in the buggy usually before 11 and he sleeps between 45min to an hour on a good day. Hopefully because it's just one day this week it won't affect things too much. The problem at the moment is his cough, woke coughing again at 5.40 and has been coughing a lot so far, so I'm not expecting a long nap... :(
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Do you remember what is the latest your cn end up to? the other day we had the latest at 4.20 and woke him after 20 minutes and it didn't affect his bt.
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How did the nap go today? My CN used to be 20 mins around 3.45/4pm and never really affected BT.
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Just like yesterday, an hour and lots of coughing! :( I did manage to put him down at 11.30, well he was half asleep as we went to a playgroup. Will take him out for the cn
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Coughs used to be the pain for us, DS grown out of them a bit now!
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Thankfully we managed a cn at 4.40 for about 30 mins, still lots of coughing :( poor thing
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Coughs are annoying. However, once DD had a car nap with one and I noticed she never actually fully awoke. Just just coughed a bit in her sleep, then bang opened her eyes at the end of the normal sleep cycle. so I knew it hadn't affected her sleep, otherwise it would've worked a bit like w2s in that it would've reset her timings. It really helped me knowing that.
I think our CN went as late as 4.15 when it was a 15mins one. Mine always did like a short A to BT though. I had to ditch it in the end as it was more trouble than it was worth.
I personally would hold the 11.30am set nap for a week then look at moving it again. I'm still thinking he's a tad UT even with that silly cough xx
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Yes, I did notice that although he was coughing he was still asleep in the stroller, then woke after the usual time. Will hold the 11.30 until next week then. Thanks again ladies! x
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Mine used to cough so much I'd sneak in look and think he's awake but he was always asleep! Good luck with the naps x
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Well last week pretty much all naps were disrupted by coughing to much, therefore didn't last that long! I think the longest nap we had was on Saturday, 1h20! the last three days he did 1h05, 1h15 and today it was bad because he woke after 10/15mins coughing so much, managed to get him back to sleep quite quickly but only slept another 30min! booo
Anyway, I think we are ready for a push, shall I try 11.45?
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Hopefully the cough should be totally gone soon.
Yes I'd try 11.45 and hold for a few days :)
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Thanks!! I can't wait to get to one nap now, the pm nap is driving me crazy!! >:( he did sleep 40 mins today in the stroller though...yesterday couldn't be bothered to go out in that wind and it took me half an hour to get him to sleep at home!! >:( I hope we are not too far away...
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You might find u hit the sweet spot with the nap then can cut out the CN, and go for EBT.
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It will get better hun, remember we thought you'd go through this a lot sooner and he settled back in with the CN for a while. He's a tad older now and you and he will get through it. As Zoe says, you just need to get that nap to a time when he sleep just that little bit longer so you can just do EBT.
Do remember even down time in bed can be a saviour. Just 30mins in a dim room helps reset them, even if they don't sleep.
It is a totally sucky part of the transition this bit, but it doesn't last forever ok? Xx
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Oh that helps, thanks! :) today it was nursery, so rubbish day >:( tomorrow we have to go somewhere, so will have to pick him up at 11 and put him straight down for his nap, but on Saturday will try 11.45, the force be with me! ;D
Just in case we get in this scenario, if he slept from 11.45 to let's say 13.15 or longer, would you do EBT? If so, what time 6/6.30? I think he can handle 5hrs A time after a good nap.
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We have to remember the total sleep overall too ok? Too early of a BT will result in an early wu because he's just frankly had enough sleep yk? Then I never want to push it too much in case of OT, I hate OT at BT.
I would go with a 12hr day in that instance given how much sleep he usually has in 24hrs xx
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So, we managed a nap at 11.45 the last two days, yesterday he slept 1h today 1h10, woke at 1ish. I'm tempted to do ebt today, wu this morning was 6, I could probably get away with 6.30, too late? he has been waking up earlier in the morning since Friday, we had two 5.45 wus >:( so, I'm thinking that the late cn is maybe responsible? wdyt?
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I'd of prob tried a 5.45/6pm BT what did u do?
EW can be from OT, too much day sleep or all sorts really. How long are u giving at CN?
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well he went to sleep at 6.35, so a bit late...we shall see. The only other time we did this back in October he had a good night and woke later than usual, as a one off he might be ok.
His cn is usually between 20 and 35 mins, depending on how long the first nap was and when the cn starts. Yesterday it was 4-4.25, so a bit late I think.
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Fingers crossed for you. Yeah might be getting a getting a bit late, you could try restricting it to 20 mins :)
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I think I will, thanks!
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Keep us posted :)
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It didn't go too bad, wu this morning was 6.15, not crying, got up at 6.30. He did cough a lot at around 10.45 (when will this blinking cough pass?), it was continuous coughing for 10/15 minutes, then he woke and started moaning/crying; had to go and resettle him a couple of times, then a bit of moaning on and off, then fine. I think, unless he has a long nap, today I will try for a cn, but a short one, 15/20 minutes.
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Eeer coughs just longer sometimes.
Good night really though, sounds like a plan for your day :)
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Another 1h10 at 11.45 grrr >:( will try a tiny nap out and about, fingers crossed I don't have to walk for an hour!
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Is he waking up happy or grumpy after that nap? If you can't get a CN can you do a 6pm BT?x
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He seems fine when he wakes, he calls out, but doesn't really cry. Managed a cn at 3.45, will wake him at 4.05
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Maybe it's an UT nap? Fingers crossed for BT
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BT was fine apparently, I was out so dh did everything. Went down nicely at 7.10 (yesterday he did cry a bit, probably from ot).
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Hope it's a good night :)
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thanks, me too! :)
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Good night thankfully! a little moan at 4.30,but didn't wake. WU: 6.15, nap to follow...
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nap at 11.45 for nearly 1h20, a bit better! to be honest I think I woke him with a bit of noise... :( had cn a bit late 3.55, 20 mins, bt 7.15 no problems. If he doesn't go to nursery tomorrow (he has diarrhea :( ) we'll see what he does. Maybe he's getting used to the new time? I thought he handled the A time pretty well today, no signs of tiredness until the end, so definitely not ot. Will give it until Saturday.
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Sounds like it's heading in the right direction, you could always sneak another 5 mins A time on in a few days if you think he's coping well.
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Well, after a couple of days of rubbish naps and ews, today wu was 5.55 (still early), managed to keep him up till 11.40, he made some noise just before 40 mins, then coughed on and off, then slept till 13.42!!! yay!! finally ;D so no cn and put him down at bt at 6.35, asleep by 6.50, fingers crossed this is the beginning of something good!!
Now, today he had his usual snack at 10.30/45, then when he woke from his nap it was a bit late and he had swimming soon after so only gave him something small. I'm thinking of starting giving him lunch at 11 from tomorrow. He might also sleep better with a full tummy
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:) :)
It's great when u get a good nap isn't it. Your day looked good too.
We did lunch at 11am for a good while then just gave a snack on wake up from nap, like u say a nice full tummy x
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The only downside is that he woke at 5.50 this morning >:( at least he slept 11 hours I guess... will see what today brings
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11 hours with a 2 hour nap is good, will give u hopefully a good day to get that nap 11.40 again x
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yes, he's just gone down at 11.40, after a good lunch, so fingers crossed
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Fab get your feet up ;)
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Back to 1h10 >:(
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What are u going for EBT?
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He had a cn in the stroller, he actually fell asleep quite quickly just after 3.30, so let him sleep till 4, bt usual 7. I think that 1h10 was ot, it has been before and I doubt very much he was ut. I'll just keep at it I think, can't really push the nap any later unless he wakes much later. What an annoying transition...I really hope we get there by xmas!! I haven't mentioned yet I'm pregnant with n.2, so can't wait for him to have a predictable long nap every day till new one comes!!
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I'd try keeping with it, set naps became the way forward for us as got sick of guessing A times etc.
Yahey congrats on number 2, when are u due? I'm preggars with number 2 also but my DS doesn't nap so no downtime for me lol x
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Yes, I much prefer set naps, just wish he woke a bit later like he was for a while...
Congrats to you too!! I'm due the second half of May, you? I'm actually having the 20 week scan on xmas eve!! You poor thing, can't catch a break then, not easy being pg with a toddler, is it? x
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It will get better my DS was an EW for ages and short napped but once we got good long morning and good nap things got loads better for a good few months.
8th Feb so 10 weeks left :o join us on pregnancy chat thread if you want a specific preggars chat :)
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ooooh not long to go for you then! will have a look at the pg forum, but not much time at the moment... :(
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Today we had a new nap length: 1h25! oh well, better than yesterday. So he woke at 1.10, bt 6.30 is a long shot, we're going out for a walk anyway, so will see if he dozes off. If so, will give him 15/20 min max.
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Might be him just adjusting to having the nap, it's not too bad though see how the afternoon goes.
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He had about 20 min at 3.50, wasn't sure if he was going to sleep at all, but he did. Do you thing I should only gave him 15 min, or it wouldn't make much difference?
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I think 20 will be fine, it's what we did for ages.
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ok, good to know!when did you go down to one nap if you remember? and what was you ds routine like in terms of wu etc.?
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I think it was around 14 months, he used to do WU 6.30 nap around 12 for 2 hours then BT 7/7.30 but it did take a while to get to that...then we hit 18 month SR early.
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Well this morning we finally had a better start! although I heard him at 6, he went back to sleep till 6.30, which is weird because he had a big poo!! anyway, do you think I should try a nap a bit later, say 12? we are going to playgroup, so that should keep him busy for a while...
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Sorry I didn't get on I've been at work, what time did u do?
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Ah no problem! We went to playgroup till 11, gave him lunch, put him down at 11.55, was asleep by 12 and slept till 2, well I had to wake him at 1.57 as we had to go to a class, but very good!! 2 one nap days out of 4, pretty good!! I feel like we are finally getting somewhere!! ;D
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That's s great day, hope the night follows too ;)
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Yes, that was a great day indeed, quite busy, but great! Put him down for bt at 7, was asleep by 7.10 no problems :D
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Hope u get a 6am plus WU again then you can do your 1 nap again :)
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Hi! I thought I'd give you an update, since it's been a while. Things have been up and down, DS was unwell with high temperature last week, but only for a day and not other symptoms, no cold, nothing.. ??? then after that day he hasn't been himself, crying all of sudden for nothing, really clingy and whiney! He must be teething!! Also his wus are a bit early again, not every day, but usually just before 6. Only one day this week he woke at 6.30. He's also been waking with a huge poo every day, although today it wasn't too bad, so maybe getting better.
His nap has been generally 1h20, today he did 1h30 but it was at 11.30, so we squeezed a 15mins catnap in the car. A couple of days this week he fell asleep in the stroller in the morning at 9.30, so used that as the cn and moved his nap later, that worked ok. We did have a few days with only one nap and ebt, so I think we are moving forward despite all the problems.
One question though: I'm worried that when he wakes early I don't go in unless he's crying properly, he usually whines for a bit, not sure if it's the right thing to do. I don't get him out until 6.15/6.30 unless I can smell poo, then I change him and if it's still too early I put him back in the cot. I usually put some music on (his mobile or Ewan the sheep) and stay there. If he's calm and looks like he might go back to sleep I leave, then come back when he cries again. Do you have any advice? or what did you used to do?
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Argh that dos sound like teething. Yours and mine could be very much the same there ::).
That's good he's using the stroller to get a quick CN in at that time. It's exactly what we did (albeit with the car) at that time further down the transition. It just helps sometimes to ward off any OT.
You're doing the right thing wrt the morning. I did the same thing. Although now I shout down the hallway to go back to sleep if she singing. ;) Before, I did as you did and only went in if she was upset. If so, I'd pd if necessary, ssh her and tell her it's still nighttime and to go back to sleep. Most of the time it didn't work but I feel that it helps with stretching their A time if we use the get out of bed time as the starting point at this age. I think it does help for them to spend time alone in bed too, so show that it's ok to just lie there without mummy or daddy rescuing them as soon as they wake xx
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oh bless you, thanks so much!! that is reassuring!!
poor thing is a bit sick now, cold (like mummy) and cough again!!! >:(
wu 5.30 the last two days!! yesterday we were going to have a busy day, so I let him sleep a bit in the stroller from 9.30 to 9.50, then he slept nearly 1h30 at 12.15. Today wu 5.20, but went back to sleep on his own for about half an hour from 5.40 till 6.20. So I gave it a shot and kept him up till 11.30, he went to sleep straight away without winding down poor baby and slept...brace yourself...2h20!!! must be because he's sick! So he woke at 1.50ish. At around 6.35 he laid on me as if he wanted to sleep (never does this unless he's sick), so we put him down at 6.40 and was asleep by 6.45.
Will see what time he wakes tomorrow. At least we only had one nap, which is great. :)
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I always find we have a great night when DS ill. Hope you get a good night :)
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fingers crossed!! ;D
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Yay about the sleep! At least it shows he can do it! Hope you both feel better soon though. We've got coughs and colds too >:( xx
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Yes, let's hope we are all better by Xmas! finally a decent wu this morning: 6.15 :) He did moan a couple of times during the night, I think because of his stuffed nose :( I'll try to go for a nap at 11.45 at the earliest I think. x
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Great night, we have coughs and colds here too.
Have u tried putting olbas oil on a tissue in the room out of reach of course....makes my DS have a more comfortable night and Vicks on chest back and soles of feet?
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We are using Vicks on chest, will try on back and feet as well and Olbas oil, thanks for the tip! x
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Still use Vicks on the chest and feet here too! Xx
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I'm happy to report that we had 4 days in a row now with one long nap and decent wus!! ;D fingers crossed this is it! thanks for all your help ladies!! In case I don't write anymore, have a lovely Christmas!! xx
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Lovely news honey, have a great Christmas too xx
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Yay!!! Merry Christmas to you too ;D xx
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Hi ladies, I'm back! ;D which means I've got a little problem... not sure if I should start another post or carrying on on this one.
Anyway, since we went to one nap before Christmas things have been up and down, but we went away for two weeks and the moved house... so I've given him a bit of time to settle down again.
Problem is his nap has got shorter; it started off as a good 2hrs, then 1h30, lately I've had to go up and resettle him after 1h/1h15 and would usually do another 30 mins/1h, so I know he needs more sleep. Just now he woke after an hour, but it seems like he's gone back to sleep by himself, so, hopefully, he's getting used to sleeping more again... ???
Nights have been fine, no nws, hardly any ews. Recently he even slept till 7, which is unusual. He is now walking quite well, so that could have had an impact on his sleeping.
Our routine is usually:
-wu: 6.30 (sometime earlier sometime later)
-nap:12 (1h15 to 1h30)
-bt: 6.45-7
Also, when he wakes later than 6.30, let's say closer to 7, I have been putting him down later than 12, usually 12.15, but didn't get a long nap. Should I keep to 12 no matter what or try a bit later? Thanks as usual! :)
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Yay to the one nap, go you!
I like the set nap at this age so i'd keep with it. However, I found this too in that after a month or so at our set time, the nap got shorter. At first I thought OT, so I did what you did and kept with the same ish set time when she woke later. That still got a shorter nap.
Now waking at 1hr 15 can be OT for some. Especially when they master walking it can tire them out a bit more. However, I'd be inclined to push the nap out to 12.15pm and see if that makes a difference. It's such a small increase for his age, so if i is OT hopefully it wouldn't make matters worse. But as the nap is shortening when you're getting longer nights, I'm erring on the side he needs the nap pushing out just a little. wdyt? xx
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Hi Kellyjs, thanks so much for your reply! It's good to know that your lo shortened the nap too after a month. Will try with 12.15 and see what happens.
Yesterday he did sleep for 1h40 so that's good. He's teething at the moment, so we have a wu of 5.35 today >:( he's probably not gonna make it to 12... nevermind. I can see one tooth, so hopefully it's about to cut through.. xx
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Yuck to the teething. I might try and go back tot he 12pm set nap whilst the EW is going on? Up to you though xx
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Today we had to put him down at 11.30, he woke after 1h20 but went back to sleep on his own after 5 mins and slept for another 40 mins. Tonight he went down straight away at 6.45! Will see what happens tomorrow ???
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Well, we had a good nap on Sunday, 1h40, but then Monday and Tuesday 1h25 and 1h10. I did put him down at 12.15 both days after he woke at about 6.30. Today wu was 6.05, he fell asleep in the car for 10 mins at around 9.30 and now we've just put him down at 12.10.
I think I will try for another couple of days 12.15 and we'll see. WDYT?
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I personally would give it a go, you've been on one nap long enough now for it to be a bit longer ideally based on his sleep previously. I would bear in mind though, it might be unrealistic to expect much more than 1.5hrs given his history. But hopefully if you did get to 2hrs it might lengthen your day a bit if you'd prefer that with summer on its way (eventually ;)) xx
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Yes, I think I will give it a go, thanks! He did 1h30 today, so not bad. It's annoying as when he first went down one nap he slept 2hrs sound...oh well, I suppose as long as his nights are good...
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That's why i'm thinking moving it on will help. Yay to the 1.5hrs :) xx