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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: Jo1stbaby on November 10, 2012, 06:59:38 am
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Hi,
I know loads of people are posting about this at the moment, but not sure what to do.
My LO is inconsistently waking at night, sometimes she'll have a good night and only wake a couple of regimes sometimes I'm in and out if bed like a yoyo. She has never been a good napper or brilliant at night. It's only since 6 months and the help of Anna on here have I managed to stop the apop for naps and actually get her to sleep in her cot. This stil isn't consistent sometimes she will sleep for half hour sometimes 1 1/2 - 2 hours. Ill put my easy up although night times are never exactly the same.
4.30am wake up - my husband can sometimes get her to sleep cuddled into him for another hour or so but like today she was having none if it
7am - bottle 6oz although quite frequently doesnt want it or only has 2/3oz
8.am - breakfast - cereal/porridge and toast.
8.45am nap - I was advised on here to try not to put her down earlier than 8.30am because she will think that's the norm early waking early nap.
10.45 - wake up on a good day.
11am bottle - 6oz
12pm - lunch just something small like a sandwich or baby rice cakes.
1.30pm - sleep only normally has 1/2 hour maybe an hour àt a push.
3pm - 6oz bottle
Try and get another short nap in at some point but not normally successful she will fight and fight this nap.
4.30pm - dinner - something hot.
6pm - bath
6.30pm - bottle 8oz
7pm bed
9/9.30pm wake up - try and resettle sometimes successful and sometimes if wake up is nearer 9.30 then end up giving dreamfeed although not really dream fee when she's screaming.
10pm - dreamfeed 7oz
12am wake up resettle drops back after 10 mins or so.
2 /2.30/3am wake up. I normally try to give bottle nearer to 3am and restyle before but sometimes she's just screaming and screaming until I givè in and give her bottle. 5oz at the monent was 6oz but slowly trying to reduce it so she can stop that feed, so she will drink more in the morning.
4.30am - wake up standing in cot doesn't want to go back down.
These nw are not always the same time every night and sometimes will last an hour sometimes only 10 mins and sometimes ok once she's fed. I thought I had sorted this 4.30am a few days ago as I got up at 4.15am and had my hand rested on her and she went back to sleep until 5.40am 3 nights in a row but now we are back the last couple of nights to 4.30am start.
She has been crawling since 6 months and cruising the sofa since 5 1/2 months. So when I go in 9 out of ten times she's stood up at the end of her bed and when I Lay her down dhe just gigged and gets back up again. I have to hold her down and sometimes she will give in the fight and eventually go back off.
I know she's OT by bedtime but will not go down for a nap no matter how tired she is.
Any ideas?
Thanks
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That's a really long day for her. I wonder how you feel about an early bedtime of 6pm or even earlier just to see if you can get her caught up a bit - once she's back in routine and not so OT, she should be able to shift her day to a more suitable timeframe... If she's regularly waking after 9-9.5hr and struggling to resettle, she's likely pretty OT so an earlier bedtime might shift her wake earlier into the night and force it to be a NW. One long night can be enough to recover her from the OT and get you back on track.
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Hi,
Yes it is a really long day. We tried at the beginning of the week to bring her bedtime forward by an hour because she was so tired and she slept longer but still had her 4.30am wake up. Ill give it another go tonight and see how she goes. Ill probably set my alarm again for about 4.15am and see if I go in and put my hand on her again if that will help her sleep through a little too.
Any ideas about her nw? Do you think it's just because she's OT?
Thanks ill let you know tomorrow how it went.
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I do think the NW's are probably just OT. Her behaviour sounds like she's running on adrenalin and a bit hyped up and she's tired but can't get herself back off to sleep. BTDT, no fun but it happens to almost every baby at some point.
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Ok I've not really tracked the number of wakings and how long for re the amount of sleep and times so I think I'll make a record and see if there is any matches to that. That might help me.
Definately going out her down a little early tonight. She's just slept for 1 1/2 hrs so woke at 11am she had a bit of a catnap this morning at 6.30am for half hour but wasn't fully asleep just dozing on me.
Let's hope for an hour this afternoon and then a good night.
Thanks Hun. Ill keep you posted.
:)
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Hi,
Well a much better night last night. Yesterday my LO went down for a nap at 2pm but only lasted half an hour so up by 2.30pm but I brought bedtime forward and she was in bed by 6pm. I gave her her dreamfeed at 9pm and then she woke at 11pm, not sure why and resettled after ten mins. Woke again at 3am for her bottle. I went in at 4.20am and sat with her until 4.40am to try and get her through the 4.30am wake up and it worked she then as t wake until 6.20am. So all in all a very good night. Not sure why she woke at 11pm though but she did settle really quickly again. A marked improvement an a very happy little girl today as she isn't tired but then she did get over 12 hours in bed which she hasn't done for months.
She had just over 3 hours A time before bed so I'm going work on that principal, hopefully because later wake up today later naps but we will see. Ill see what ever time she wakes from last nap and work her bedtime from about 3 house from there.
Lets see how today goes today. :) :D
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Yay for a better night :)
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Well what a disaster. Yesterday jess went down for a nap and lasted an hour and ten mins, which isn't too bad except for the fact she woke up distressed. She was still tired but wouldn't resettle and nothing I did made a difference she wouldn't stop crying. I have her her milk early but didn't make any difference, I tried to get her to chill out on the sofa and only stopped when I put in the night garden on. She then wouldn't go down for her next nap at all even though she was absolutely shattered. Eventually very OT she fell asleep for Hal an hour on her daddy when he came home from work but it was later in the day so we only let her sleep for half an hour.
She went to bed normal time because I her late nap and then woke every hour throughout the whole night and still had her 4.30 wake up. We did apop at 3am as both myself and my husband were knackered. My husband cuddled up with her in the bed and she slept until 4.30. We tired for another half hour to get her to sleep again but no success. So I got up just after 5am with an upset baby girl as she was still tired but wouldn't sleep.
We always seem to take one step forward and two back. Aargh.
Ok early bedtime again tonight regardless, lets hope she naps today to help catch up on Her sleep. :'(
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That sounds like a rough night-no advice as going through my own personal hell but sending (((hugs)))
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Awh bless you too. It's not a good thing but at least im not the only one.
{{{Hugs}}} back
:)
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Hugs, sounds like a rough night. APOPing naps in the pram/carrier/car today may be an idea, just to get her caught up again, at least enough to help reduce the NW's and get her more restful sleep at night.
What's your A time?
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A time is 3hours was 2 3/4hrs but I've moved it to 3hours to see It helps.
Yes a rough night and actually sat here feeling depressed why can't I get it right. I know other people feel the same but when your sat here alone that's how you feel.
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3hr is a pretty low A time still at this age.
Are you able to bring her BT earlier and sustain that for a week or so til she's better rested? I just see that she's done a good night after that shorter day (still long but only 13.5hr instead of 14.5-15). Once she's in routine better, you can shift the day to a more suitable timeframe.
I know it doesn't always fit in with life very easily - we do BT at 7:30 during the week because that's the earliest we can do it and BT on weekends in 6 and sometimes earlier just to get DS caught up enough to be able to cope with the next week. Its grasping at straws to get us through a rough time but the early (and therefore longer) nights do help catch up the lost sleep.
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I think you may be right, although I did an early bedtime two nights ago and she had an awful night not happy at all in the end I ended up co sleeping with just so I could get some sleep. Maybe I didn't put her to bed early enough. Last night was better as she had better naps yesterday. Think I will do a few early night though like you suggest to get her caught up once caught up then like you said we can try and shift the day.
:)
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Ok, I've been doing early bedtimes all week and they've been pretty hit an miss. Mostly miss, especially last night the worse we ever had. Bed at 5.45pm, wake at 8pm after 50 mins of not settling we gave her bottle as she wade at 9pm. Slept until 12 then my husband tried to settle and 40 min later no success again I fed her at 1am, she slept until 3am and woke (out of habit I think) but would not sleep eventually I reserved at 5.30am to apop in bed with me because I just couldn't sit there any longer especially as today is my first day back to work. Only doing 6 hours but that's long enough with no sleep. She slept 1/2hr then I resettled her with me still and then we got another hour. So wake up was just after 7am.
I'm at the end of my tether, nothing we try works she's getting worse not better. I just don't know what todo anymore. :(
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What are her days looking like now?
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Wake up - 4 -4.30 sometimes she will cone into bed with us and sleep an extra hour.
E - 7am bottle 3/4oz
E - 8am breakfast cereal/toast
S - 9.30am anything from 1/2hr - 1 1/2hr
E - 11am 6oz bottle
E - lunch
S - 1.30pm (depends on how long her sleep was in the morning, so sometimes slightly earlier sometimes later) will only generally sleep for 1/2hr max hour
E - 3pm 6oz
S - try to get her to sleep so etines will have 1/2hr most of the time just resists
E - 4pm/4.30pm dinner
5.00 bath bottle bed by 6pm
I've tried bed at 5.30pm its all hit and miss though sometimes a good night ish or sometimes an awful night.
She has had a bad belly last few days and diarraha so maybe she's had a little belly ache for a good few days and also just noticed a another top tooth has popped through so could be she's had a little irritation.
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Ok, that's quite a low amount of sleep - she's probably quite overtired.
Are you able to resettle the 30min nap wakings at all?
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No, she won't have it. It i get in her room after about 25mins sometimes I can hold her chest or arms and she will sleep through, that's when we get the 1 - 1 1/2hr naps but doesn't always work. The afternoon nap is the hardest nap she fights its so much even when she is shattered. She will drop off a few times but jerk herself awake and the whole circle starts again. If we ap we can sometimes get her to sleep for an hour in our arms in the afternoon. I was on 2hr 45 mins a time which I've slowly up't to 3 1/2hrs.
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Has she always slept badly for naps/night? Sorry, there are so many with the same issues at the moment my head spins.
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Morning, always slept badly for naps. Always fight and we did AP a lot at the behining because she had colic really bad, didn't get better until we saw a cranial osteopath. Still always fought it after that a lot out fault I think with APing.
Nights haven't been too bad in the past. We use to think she slept fairly well at night. She use to go to bed at 7pm, wake at 12 -1am (didn't use todo dreamfeed) then wake about 3/4am and then up at 6am. We didn't think tht was too bad for her when she was only a few months old. Then we started dreamfeed and she did bed at7pm, dreamfeed at 10pm wske up and bottle at 3am and wake up for day at 6am.
Over the last few months from about 5 months her sleep has just been awful.
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Ok. I think you need to work on the OT and independent sleep. Here's how I'd do it:
Morning nap - APOP'd to get some sleep into her and get her body used to sleeping at that time
Afternoon nap - GW type sleep training with HTTJ to try and get her to extend the nap
BT - again, GW
Routine-wise, I'd try something like this:
6 - up for the day (doze/rest if wakes before then)
9 - APOP your morning nap
10:30/11 - wake
1:30/2 - PM nap
3hr A to BT (EBT if you have to - treat all wakes as night wakings til 6am next morning)
You can shift that to start at 7 if you prefer, of course.
If the morning nap is short, this:
6 - up for the day (doze/rest if wakes before then)
9 - APOP your morning nap
9:45/10 - wake
12:30 - PM nap
~~~~APOP a CN at 3:30 if PM nap is less than 45min - 2.5hr A to BT from WU from 3rd nap~~~~
3hr A to BT (EBT if you have to - treat all wakes as night wakings til 6am next morning)
What do you think?
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Ok, sounds like a plan ill give it a go. Anything that can help is worth a try. Ill let you know how it goes
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I think it will hopefully be the right balance for you and her. Fingers crossed for you.