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does OT BT lead to EW?
« on: October 13, 2012, 11:17:58 am »
so i think DD may have been OT going to bed last night.she settled with no help but was chatting when she went into the cot which i "think" is her way of showing us i was too late getting her into the cot!i heard her at 4.48am, 5.24am but at 6.20am she woke crying.she settled after13mins, then started again, then fell asleep from 7-8am.

having said that!!!!we had a normal BT the night before last & got an EW of 6.45am yesterday (wnet back to sleep herself till 7.35am)


and the day before that, she woke at 6.20am & didn't fall back to sleep so we started the day at 7am.

and the day before that she woke at 6.40am but resettled to 7.35am....

and the day before that it was at 6.18am & resettled till 7.17am....


hmm....now that i'm typing, i'm seeing more of a pattern than i realised was there.....

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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2012, 10:24:58 am »
Well, to answer your original questions, yes OT at BT can cause EW's - more often from long-term OT that's developed over a week or so of longer than appropriate days or lots of NW's... It tends to be related to adrenalin buildup in the body - LO sleeps but once woken (or stirred during REM sleep), LO will wake and either be wired or cranky or sometimes both just for fun ;)

What time is BT, happy? Thinking an 11hr night might be your new normal???
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2012, 10:41:03 am »
wow!you know so much!thanks a mill for the reply!makes sense cause we had a couple of NWs that we normally would never have had...

we aim for a 7.30pm BT, starting with her bottle at 6.45pm then a story.

we had a NW at 4am but i didnt need to go to her & a normal wake-up at 7.30am...x
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 10:49:11 am »
Yay for being back on track :) A couple of decent length nights coupled with good days should have her back on an even keel again.

So nice when we are able to notice these little shifts in routine and make corrections before they become massive issues :)
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 10:53:53 am »
let's hope that it doesn't!!!!mind if i keep you on standby in case it gets worse?!?! :)

do you think i shoudl tweak anything? this is how i'm planning my day:

E 7.30am & 8.30am
A
S 10.55am (currently pushing A time from 3.15-3.25)

E 1pm & 2pm
A
S 4.15pm
(i will be driving for that nap cause we have to go visiting but i don't let her sleep longer than 1 hr)

E.5.15pm
A

E 6.45pm
into cot at 7.30pm
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2012, 13:54:35 pm »
happy does she always get such a short A to BT?

My DS will EW from UT if he gets too short an A between his last nap and BT.
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2012, 14:10:31 pm »
usually ya....it's usually from 5pm-ish though but now i'm adding A things can go either way-sometimes she doesn't do a full hour nap in the pm.she woke early from 1st nap so i'll be putting her down at 4.05pm.

i saw on another thread that LOs need a longer A to BT but it worked here for a good few weeks that way.....if only things would stay good when they're good!
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2012, 14:26:43 pm »
Quote from: *happy* on October 14, 2012, 14:10:31 pm
if only things would stay good when they're good!

LOL wouldn't that be fun!

My DS just had a huge jump in A times together with needing a much longer A to BT than before. He used to need a long A on a normal day, but if he had a bad nap day I could do a CN and it was fine. Now it doesn't work.  Since last week, if he gets more than 2.5h of day sleep we have an EW, same if he gets less than 4h for his last A.

So just to say, my DS is older than your DD so they're probably not at the same place, but I was so surprised I always thought EW were from OT, not UT.. Maybe with that jump in A times, you're getting in a similar situation? I was terrified but tried capping one nap and it worked wonders.

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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2012, 15:26:15 pm »
hmmm....interesting!!!!we are on 3hr 25 & 3hr15 A times, then 2hr 30 to BT...i wonder should i cap the am nap to 1hr30?gosh, id be half afraid to though cause that's our easy nap!!!!
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 15:35:34 pm »
I know... it went drastic for us, like one day 2 x 1h30 was perfectly fine, the next it was leading to an EW. I cap the AM nap at 45 min, and I was scared to death but so far (day 3) it's worked for us.  yesterday I let him sleep longer in the PM, 2h instead of 1h30 as usual, and had EW again today. couldn't believe it!
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2012, 15:42:22 pm »
oh jeez....45 mins!!!!i dont know could i do that...i was freaking at the 1hr 30!!!!
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2012, 15:47:29 pm »
now is there any reason why she would be OT? because if she is OT and you cap naps, it would only get worse...  :-\

can you post the last few days, like 1 day or 2 before the EW started and then the last few days?

if you think she's UT, maybe you can keep the AM nap the same, but cap the PM one even further? I know some people do that successfully! it just doesn't work for us because M need such a long A time to BT. but since she doesn't maybe cap the PM nap at 45 min instead of 1h?

also is teething a possibility?
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2012, 16:36:38 pm »
i'll do that!
will i post here or on the easy board?x

v possible that there is teething going on,hard to tell though tbh!
the only reason i could think of why she would be OT is the NWs we had...
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2012, 16:44:06 pm »
post it here so we can have a look!
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2012, 18:54:37 pm »
tried an EBT this evening (7.15pm)


ok,working backwards from today.....apologies for the long post! ::)

14/10/12
3.56am NW but didnt need to go to her, resettled quickly

7.30am wakeup(ie when my alarm went off& i woke up!)
E bottle, solids an hour later
A
10.55am into cot (i've posted before that i can't see her when she falls asleep cause she faces away from the door, but she settles v fast....& we have ordered a video camera to solve that problem!!!)
12.49 wakeup

E solids, bottle an hour before nap
A
16.03 into cot
17.04 wakeup when i went in

E solids
A

18.51 bottle
19.15 into cot

13/10/12

4.48am NW (didnt need me)
5.24am NW (didnt need me)
6.21am NWor EW??? gave her teething meds..settled back to sleep after 40mins
7am S
8am i woke so made some noise & she was awake when i went in

E
A
11.23am into cot
12.50 wake up

E
A
16.01 S (nap in car)
16.50 wake up

E
A

E
19.30 into cot

12/10/12
6.45am EW but didnt need me
7.32am wake up

E
A
10.55 into cot
12.47 wake up

E
A
16.02 into cot
16.35 wake up

E
A

E
19.36 into cot

11/10/12

6.20am NW/EW?? gave teething meds but didn't resettle
7.02 am E
A
10.23am into cot
12.36 wake up

E
A
15.44 into cot
16.40 wake up

E
A

18.50 E
19.33 into cot


will i keep going back?!?!?!
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2012, 19:10:06 pm »
and before the NW/EW started she was roughly on this routine?

if yes, I'd say it's either teeth, or UT. She hasn't had bad days that would suggest OT - she naps wonderfully well, especially in the AM :). Wondering though if a short PM nap could lead to some OT ??? but if it's been a while she's on it then I don't see why it would start causing a problem.

Hopefully bec comes back with wonderful advice she's much better than me at this!
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2012, 19:34:28 pm »
thanks elise...i'll post a few more days....for the crack!!!!

10/10/12
3.18 NW
6.40 NW/EW (didn't need me for either)
7.35 E
A
10.57 into cot
13.00 wake up

E
A
16.15 into cot
not sure how long she slept here....i didnt log it ::)

E
A
E
19.41 into cot

9/10/12
4.24am NW
4.52am NW
6.18am NW/EW? didnt need me for these
7.18am wake up
E
A
10.46am into cot
12.06 wake up

E
A
15.22 into cot
16.20 wake up

E
A

E
19.19 into cot

8/10/12
3.02am NW
5.17am NW (needed me, gave teething meds)
5.42am back to sleep
6.52am awake & crying
7.00 up
E
A
10.22 into cot
12.26 awake

E
A
15.45 into cot
16.48 awake

E
A

E
19.16 into cot

7/10/12
1.31am NW (this was the first ever NW we had,ever!!!!) crying, gave meds
1.59 S

7am wake up
7.14 get up
E
A
10.29 into cot
12.00 awake

E
A
15.43 into cot
asleep 42 mins

E
A

E
into cot 19.20

i often hear her stir during the night ,so i dont count those as NWs...the only ones that count were the ones i gave meds,iykwim?
i upped the A times from 3.15to 3.25 to help with the morning nap
& the 2nd A time from 3hr - 3hr 15 to help with the pm nap...
but that was over the course of 2-3 weeks ago...


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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2012, 00:31:48 am »
Happy to be on standby ;) Wow, you guys have talked up a storm while I slept!

That short A to BT worked beautifully for DS for ages, so its not always an issue, though I do wonder if your tweak could be as simple as capping that PM nap at 45min instead of 1hr. It could be a touch of UT creeping in, for sure. What do you reckon, *happy*?
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2012, 07:03:15 am »
i could def cap the pm nap without having anxiety attacks all day!lol!!!!so i could keep the AM nap at 2hours if she does it?

last night, i heard her NW at 4.56am (just stirring), then at 6.30am & 6.45am (a few moans but she went bac kto sleep herself until our alarm at 7.30am)

seriously, thanks so much ladies!really want to nip this in the bud,especially with the time change coming up!xxx
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2012, 09:12:00 am »
Quote from: *happy* on October 15, 2012, 07:03:15 am
so i could keep the AM nap at 2hours if she does it?
Yeah, I think so.

Honestly, given she's only stirring, it could just be some disruption from the wonder week that hits around now and she's such a good independent sleeper she just goes back to sleep on her own. I'd give the nap cap a go, its not going to make an enormous difference but it might just cut the stirring. If it does, great :) if it doesn't, I'd bet its just some stirring related to whatever's happening in her head during that REM sleep in the latter stages of the night's sleep.
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Re: does OT BT lead to EW?
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2012, 10:04:29 am »
ok...thanks a mill!i'll keep you posted!!!!xxx
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