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EAT => Eating For Toddlers => Topic started by: *Liz* on December 28, 2009, 14:03:35 pm
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J has 2 a day - one shortly after waking and one before bed. He is a rubbish eater and really needs to keep the milk calories (and nutrients from it). He still has formula for the same reason.
Thing is he is driving me mad with them - he is hardly drinking anything and is fussing and messing about. I;m pretty sure it is because he doesn't really have time to sit and drink milk - he has books to look at, and drawers to empty and toys to throw in the bath ::).
But the silly child won't drink the milk from a cup either.
We are down to him having about 3-4oz of milk in the morning before he goes mad and wants to get down and play. At night he is having 5-8oz but is on and off and on and off his bottle for a good 30 mins.
He wants me to read his books while he has his milk - which would be fine if he would hold the bottle - but he doesn't all the time and wants me to hold the bottle AND the book AND turn the pages.
I'm SURE the answer is sippy cup - but how do I pursuade him?
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Does he take anything else from a sippy? My thought is that perhaps you could make a smoothie-type thing with the formula and give it to him with his meals - that way you aren't expecting him to sit still for any longer than he does already, iyswim. Another option could be to let him have his morning milk in two goes - again so he doesn't have to sit still for as long - or to let him have control of it for an hour or so and see how much he drinks if he is not just sitting on your knee.
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Yeah - he drinks water and juice from a sippy usually.
I don't really want to have to make breakfast an early thing though as it will be really hard to do and get out of the house in time for work as we leave at 7.30am, and J takes at least 30 mins to eat ::). So I really need him to take the milk so he can have breakfast at my Mums house.
So I guess option B and just hand it him and see what he does with it?
Now if only he would have a non spill beaker - his is free flow and he will upturn it if I am not watching and he is walking all over.
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i got D off a bottle by putting the milk in a sippy but putting the teat from the bottle onto the cup so she could get used to holding it herself.once she was used to that i swapped the teat for the original cup mouth piece iyswim?
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This might sound weird, but some kids will take stuff from a carer that they won't from a parent. Since your mom is the carer, can she maybe work on giving him milk in a cup at her place? Just bring it with you and let her have at it? One less thing for you to worry about then.
Just a thought. :)
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LizJ, I could have written your post. My LO is doing just the same with 2 bottles a day and taking only about 3-4 oz in the morning and 4-8 oz at night. So Frustrating when it's only 4oz!!! I ended up having to add another 3-4 oz in the middle of the day (this is all she will take) just to get it in seeing how my LO doesn't eat well either. I try to give her milk in a sippy at meals but she doesn't even touch it and only wants water. Of course my LO is 11 months and a few months younger. I know how you feel though.
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Can he drink from a straw? If so, this is fantastic:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001NQB4AU/ref=asc_df_B001NQB4AU966606?smid=A2ZZGD0WFH5CWA&tag=nextag-baby-mp01-delta-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B001NQB4AU
You can buy them from Sainsburys and Boots.
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Yes he can drink through a straw but I have never found any decent straw sippies in the UK.
Would certainly be great for reading stories and drinking milk at the same time ;D.
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Liz....in all seriousness.....can you offer him a sippy cup of milk (spill-proof for him turning it upside etc. DD does the same) every morning straight away when he wants it...and no bottles until he starts taking them. I know he needs to take more calories at this time so he makes it to your mom's....I am wondering if keeping breakfast type snack-able things at home that you can grab and give him to carry around while you get ready (so he doesn't think he can wander with a proper sit down meal) and let him get calories that way but have his proper breakfast at your mom's.
DD LOVES to carry around a ziplock freezer baggie of:
*raisins
*cheerios
*crackers
and will also eat a whole grain fruit breakfast bar (granola bar) type thing on her own as well.
she will eat any fruits cut up and in a mini-toddler sized bowl or baggie, also.
Maybe if you prepared them at night and had the sippy cup of milk and the snack ready to go and hand him while you get ready it would fuel his independence and he may start taking milk/formula from the sippy at some point? Literally Ava would NOT take any milk from the sippy even though she'd take water or diluted juice...and I just KEPT offering it and one day after about a week or two straight (I can't remember how long) she started taking actual drinks of it and then I switched the REST of her bottles to cups. But I started with the morning since she was so HUNGRY she wanted it right away and I think it helped her switch b/c I just stopped offering her the bottle at that time and she learned she HAD to drink from the cup if she wanted to stop the hungry feeling. (That's why I suggest the snack things since I know if J is stubborn you'll worry about his caloric intake so I thought that could hold him over and make you feel better until he made it to your mom's)
But truthfully I let her wander with her cups b/c she puts them down and picks them up and drinks from them at random. I just dump them if it's been over an hour or two. I just have her do "meals" in her highchair. ykwim?
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We found these for snacks - they're quite useful, if not entirely mess-proof! Perhaps you could do as Nicole suggests and put together a snack cup for the morning.
http://www.jojomamanbebe.co.uk/detailfash.php?type=FASH&code=A7165&proddesc=Snack+Catcher&supercategory=BRN00005&branch=&wcategory=CAT00077&catdesc=&super=0030BRN00005~0010BRN00014~0040CAT00077&treecode=TRE00009
Also, a friend of mine swears that these are spill-proof (although I haven't tried them):
http://www.jojomamanbebe.co.uk/detailfash.php?type=FASH&code=A7283&proddesc=Healthy+Eating+Cow+Cup&supercategory=0030BRN00005~0010BRN00014~0040CAT00077&branch=&wcategory=CAT00077&catdesc=&super=0030BRN00005~0010BRN00014~0040CAT00077&treecode=TRE00009
http://www.toysrus.co.uk/Babies-R-Us/Feeding/Weaning/Cups/Tommee-Tippee-Explora-Green-Active-Straw-Beaker-Cup(0070879) Another type of straw cup.
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oooh Clare I LOVE those snack cups. I may just order some. Hmmmm.
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Both great ideas - TBH I think you are right Nicole and I need to just do a routine change on him and hope he catches on.
Yes he is stubborn - but at the moment a lot of his stubborness is being directed into refusing to sit still and drink his morning bottle. Some days we only manage 2-3oz anyway - and that is really not a lot to lose is it? We do find it he misses his milk he has a bigger solids breakfast as well.
I have no real issue with eating snacks wandering around. My Mum does because of the puppy so one of those snack things would be a really great idea for her as well. I have no issue with him wandering with a cup of milk either as long as he doesn't dump the contents on my carpet.
I have really struggled with bottle trainers and non spill sippies with J. He just seems to like the hard spout free flow. And he HATES lates spouts which a lot of the bottle trainers have. His bottle is one of the MAM silk teats. He never even took a regular bottle teat ::).
So what do you guys think? Cold turkey approach to a straw sippy once I have found one I like. He has never used a straw with a valve though :-\ so I hope he doesn't have to suck too hard on it.
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E cottoned on to the difference between a regular straw and the straw with the valve pretty much instantly, so I guess that they are not too hard (I tried it myself, and definitely found it harder than she did! :-[) - the only problem is persuading her not to tip it up to get the contents out. It certainly doesn't seem that she has to suck too hard on it - I'm sure that he would get used to it pretty quickly if it was the only option. It does sound a bit like you just have to be more stubborn than him... :P
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DD's first sippy cups were straws (she didn't/wouldn't tilt back yet) and she figured it out pretty easily.
Over here we are now using pretty consistently hard spout cups with valves....I think they are Gerber.
We have taller ones than these with no handles, although she has used these as well at my mom's and I am pretty sure they have a hard spout:
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3642427&CAWELAID=352137679
We have a couple like this (given as gifts) that have no insertable valve, just soft plastic points in the tip of the spout and somewhere else along the top to let air escape. Seems to keep spills in.
So not sure if you can order some from somewhere. I could probably buy some here if you don't have them available there and send them?
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Hey Liz,
I will be interested to see how you go. Dyllan is still loving his bottles (he still has 2 per day too, my paed said he should be having about 600mL milk a day...how the heck do you get that into them if not in a bottle???) (btw he loves to set up his pillow and hold them himself now, gets quite crabby if I try and cuddle him during his bottle time!!) and every time I try and give him milk in his sippy or the special "moo juice sippy" I bought from him he frowns, screams and throws it.....seriously he HATES it when there is something other than water in there!!!
One thing that I have found that he won't crack it over is giving him a little bit of milk in a cup (mug) with a spoon...he happily plays and spoons some of it in...but not 600ML!!!! I'm not sure how I am going to change him over, so I will be interested to see what works for you, please keep us posted!!
xxLizzie
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We are battling it here, too, Liz. DS cries in the mornings when he sees me get out a sippy and tries his hardest to climb onto the counter while pointing to the cupboard where he knows his bottles are. BUT yesterday he woke from a marathon 14.5 hour night, completely dehydrated and would not wait for me to make a bottle and downed 5 ounces of cold milk from his sippy in one gulp. So I KNOW he can and will do it, he just has to want it badly enough. This morning I gave him cold milk in his sippy and he just tossed it around a bit, drank about an ounce and then asked for juice to quench his thirst ::)
I am putting my foot down next week when DH is back at work - he's insistent we keep on bottles to make sure milk is consumed, I'd rather let milk intake go down and get off the bottles....not in the least because his bottles are getting old and icky and I am NOT putting out 40 Euros to buy new bottles for an 18 month old!!!!!!!
In the meantime I offer cheese and yogurt more often in the day which IMO is same-same as far as dairy intake is concerned.
Once we are onto a morning sippy, my plan is that bedtime milk will get binned - will be a sippy that he can have before his bath and do what he wants with it while we do bedtime stories, no more sitting on DH's lap getting babied with a bottle....of course plan and reality are often different, aren't they?
PS - I LOVE those snack pots, there is one store that sells them here and I went to get DS one for his stocking at Christmas and they were 20 Euros! TWENTY EUROS!!!!!!!!
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i just got one of those snack pots too!!!! they were £3 in tesco!!!! bargain!!!
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Three quid?! Oozing with jealousy as I race to the phone to call MIL.....
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Bottle weaning here turned out to be really easy peasy..............
Alex got a baaad sickness & diarrohea bug 2 days before Christmas so went cold turkey on all dairy and he had nothing but the BRAT diet for 4 days (except for his christmas dinner, lol)
He just had a sippy of water at bedtime and was so knackered from the bug he went to sleep just fine.
He took 6 days to get back to normal, at which point I reintroduced dairy in the form of cows milk in a tommee tippee non spiil cup with handles (he like to carry it around with him everywhere he goes, but like a handbag ::))
So not only have we got rid of the bottles, but we're off the formula too ;D
Hooray for stomach bugs! ;)
ps Liz have you tried a Nuby cup? They're a but different, non spill but without a fiddly valve and therefore easy to suck the liquid out. Made the transition to sippy easy for both of mine. Got mine from tesco:
http://www.amazon.com/Luv-Care-Nuby-Handle-Sippy/dp/B000JOOGR0
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Liz,
We have had some success with a cow cip - amadeus I think it is called. He refused it the first am, second am he drank it all for DH (sigh) and today he refused it and tried to sprinkle it all over the floor BUT when he realised I was not going to get a bottle he drank it and actually cried when it finished. It is very fast flow - not sure if that has been the trick???
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LOVE the Nuby cup here, too!!
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Yeah we tried a Nuby - he quite liked it when he was younger and still in the chewy phase. I think he rejects the latex teat. He uses the silk teat MAM bottles as he refuses a normal teat and always has.
I brough a new cup to power on with - and it was bust so need to take it back and get it replaced. I can't open the flip top!!
Cow cup I have tried but I took the valve out and now can't seem to get it in tight enough to be non spill ::) ::).
He is chewing teats again now so I assume he is starting to teeth again as well. I HATE it when he does that as he messes about even more.
I wish we could get off as easily as you did though Kathryn.
But the main stalling factor here is me not getting on with it. I have a lot of baby to toddler issues that are outstanding as I haven't tackled them properly.
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I have a lot of baby to toddler issues that are outstanding as I haven't tackled them properly.
I'm glad I am not the only one... :-\ :-*
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It's frustrating trying out different cups - we've got several 'rejects' sitting in our cupboard that were used momentarily....do you want me to send them to you?? :P.
I have a lot of baby to toddler issues that are outstanding as I haven't tackled them properly.
I'm glad I am not the only one... :-\ :-*
We're trying to cut out Ben's bedtime bottle too, and make his bedtime more age appropriate, but I read this comment and though 'I bet there are other things that we are doing which are too babyish but I'm maybe not even aware of them!? :-\'. I don't want to hijack your thread Liz - but what are the other things that you and Mashi meant...just so that I can see what I'm possibly doing wrong!!
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It's frustrating trying out different cups - we've got several 'rejects' sitting in our cupboard that were used momentarily....do you want me to send them to you?? Tongue.
Have you ever tried them again? I found DD rejected many and now will take whatever is offered...as she is more proficient in general with adjusting between the different cups.
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Hey Clare
Other issues are currently - morning milk in bottle, bedtime milk in bottle, not holding bottle, fighting being held like a baby but still won't hold bottle ::), refusing teeth brushing, still doing teeth before bedtime bottle, sorting his diet out - too many snacks and very picky, fighting going into sleeping bad at bedtime ?needs to come out and have big boy bedding.
That is all for now ;) but I know there are more really.
Solutions to most obviously for another thread!!
Got the snack pot in Tesco as well :).
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It's frustrating trying out different cups - we've got several 'rejects' sitting in our cupboard that were used momentarily
At one stage when Sophie was little I had about a dozen ::) In the end it wasn't the particular cup that was the problem, it was just the change from a bottle, kwim? I tried Tracy's cheaty method of poking extra holes in the teat until one morning it split, and I said "oh dear it's broken, shall I put the milk in your pink cup?" She replied "yes" and we never looked back.
I have a lot of baby to toddler issues that are outstanding as I haven't tackled them properly.
Definitely this is an issue with me as well- particularly as Alex is definitely my last babby. And not just with milk, I still have NW issues going on :P
Liz, have just read through your posts and seen J likes a hard spout. Have you tried the Avent magic cup? They do one with a soft spout and one with a hard spout. Alex likes the hard spout one for his water. It's not too hard to drink from and is still non spill. If he won't hold his bottle, he might be better with something with handles, Alex definitely is, he wouldn't hold a bottle either, the Avent one has handles you can take off if you want.
I cannot get him to sit still and have milk any more, so my tactic is to give him his milk in his sippy at about 6pm, he drinks half then wanders around with it for a while, then has the rest while I am getting him ready for bed so by 6.45 either it's all gone or I take the leftovers away.
The other thing that's worked for us is to relocate all the kids' plastic bowls, plates, sippys etc. They were clogging up the cupboards so I bought a big plastic box and chucked everything in there and keep it on a low shelf at Alex-height. He loves to rummage and it's his current favourite toy box (Santa needn't have bothered ::)) Anyway, my point is, he has taught us to understand his needs just in the last week; he has started grabbing his bib and bringing it to us then taking it to his highchair to tell us he is hungry, and around 5.45 every afternoon now he grabs his milk sippy and waves it at me whilst standing by the fridge shouting until I put milk in it. I hid the bottles last week so all he sees is the sippys so he has quickly associated them with milk. Does any of that make sense? It's like he has more control over when he drinks it so is drinking it well, kwim?
He only has about 3oz in the morning but tbh I don't worry about that as he has a good breakfast with milk on his cereal.
hth x
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I bought a big plastic box and chucked everything in there and keep it on a low shelf at Alex-height.
UH OH, If I did that I'd have DD grabbing them, having them all strewn about the floor through the hole house and CONSTANTLY yelling "MIIIIIIIILK" "MIIIIIIIILK" all day long.
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we have the snack pot and Caleb lifts one of the little corners where his hand goes in and spills all the contents out!!! I swear my kid is a genius at driving me mad!!!
Im watching this thread with interest as Im having a hard time getting Caleb to drink anything but water from a sippy cup, he likes the hard spouts, ive got three with hard spouts and he drinks it till he cant breathe, comes up for air and drinks again, but I put his formula in it and no way sirreeee was he having any of it, had to go back to a normal bottle. so once you have the magic answer i might try stealing it ;)
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I bought a big plastic box and chucked everything in there and keep it on a low shelf at Alex-height.
UH OH, If I did that I'd have DD grabbing them, having them all strewn about the floor through the hole house and CONSTANTLY yelling "MIIIIIIIILK" "MIIIIIIIILK" all day long.
Yes, all of DS's "stuff" is on a low shelf in the kitchen (makes it easier for him to unload the dishwasher himself!!!) and we do get requests every day for certain things...sometimes I offer him things but he keeps getting ONE specific bowl or cup and I have to remember what the last thing he had in that bowl / cup was because that is what he wants. And nothing else will do.
But it is a good lesson for us in "No, you can't have that right now. But you can have some of this instead..."
Liz, after yesterday's milk in the sippy which DS didn't drink, I did it again this morning. He took 4 ounces, cold, and then asked for more. Drank most of another 2 ounces -- which is gobsmackingly more than what he'd have taken if it was in his bottle. I'm going throw out all of his bottles but one, which we will use at bedtime, and it will be dirty in the morning so unuseable...sort of the force to make me not go back.
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we have the snack pot and Caleb lifts one of the little corners where his hand goes in and spills all the contents out!!!
Eloise does this too - we ended up with peas all over the car last week!
Liz - have you tried putting handles on the bottle? If you have Avent ones then the handles from the sippy cups will work on the bottle as well. There's also a sort of spout that you can put on the bottle instead of a teat as a sort of transition.
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You're right, Mashi...and often I can do the "No, you can't have milk, but how bout some juice?" recently she's started saying "how bout, Elmo" back to me...meaning she isn't caring what I'm saying...but she'd like to watch Elmo. NO IDEA how "how bout..." got her thinking TV but it seems to be an association she has!
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YEY Mashi ;D great news and good idea about scraping the icky bottles :-X. Ours are getting icky as well now.
I've been delaying as I've been too tired to get up early ad DH has been making bottles.
Yesterday he had 3oz and today 1oz. That was out of a bottle.
I *really* don't want him to drop the milk as he NEEDS it with his rubbish diet.
At least there really is NO point giving a bottle just to get 1oz of milk into him.
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Nah...even if he takes a SIP every time he's offered a cup and then throws it...all his sips combined will be more than 1 oz likely!!!!!
Do you have pediasure there? I was using it when Ava was sick and had diarrhea. Says they are for 2 yrs + but I got them for free actually and I don't think they'd cause any real harm a bit early. I know they are used as a supplement or even food replacement when kids can't eat for illness or whatever. They're flavored milk based things with more nutrients/vitamins added, etc. The ones we have were vanilla flavored. I added them to her milk and she did really well with them (I was wanting to encourage her to drink more so she didn't get dehydrated). Might be worth looking into since he has a poor diet anyway and the flavor may entice him to drink more? I mean, they're sweet which is a whole other issue, but that's why I didn't use them straight and mixed them with the milk. She went right back to taking just straight milk.
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I do think that's a good way to look at it Liz -- if he is only taking a few ounces from the bottle then really, why not just let him take that ounce or two from a sippy? You've got two problems (bottles and low milk intake), tossing the bottles in the bin and giving it to him in a sippy solves one of those problems on the spot without creating another problem!
I added 1/2 ounce of vanilla soy milk to DS's sippy of milk this morning - drank it all. DH went back to work today so I get to go back to not having to argue and justify my intelligent and informed decisions against his half-brained male thoughts ::) >:( :P ;D
You mentioned that he does eat grated cheese, yes? 1 ounce of cheese is the equivalent of close to 8 ounces of milk, when it comes to calcium levels (I think. I might be wrong. I should double check that...but I know I'm not too far off). I know you are looking at calories as well, but maybe if he stops taking milk, you can get some more cheese in there for calcium and an extra piece of toast and fruit to make up the calories? Keep offering the sippy and even an ounce or two over the day is better than none and it probably WILL go up tiny bits over time.
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Even chocolate flavoured milk is rejected ::) :P. Not that I want him to have - just that I tried once to see if he might!!
Never tried Vanilla though.
I think he is viewing that morning milk thing as a drink now rather than a feed if that makes sense - so it is to do with thirst as to whether he wants it or not.
He will eat 1oz of cheese every now and again.
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Chocolate milk is a no-go here, too. Just spits it out and throws the cup. I think the vanilla soy goes over well because it tastes like vanilla yogurt.
It makes total sense about viewing the milk as a drink and not as a feed - this is what is happening here as well. And, hard as it is to accept when we are depending on the milk for calories and "food" for LOs who don't eat that much, but the thing is, at this age, milk really should be a drink and not a feed. I think this is one thing that my DH is struggling with - I have managed to shrug it all off and say "if he eats, he eats; if he doesn't, oh well" to both food and milk. It isn't really helping him to take more of either, but it's at least allowing me to stress about other things instead!!
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What has he eaten the past couple of days? Just curious. Do you do more of a 3 main meals thing or more snacks throughout the day? I wonder if he'd do better on smaller portions more often. (Isn't that supposed to be more healthy in general?)
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No idea Nicole ;) my Mum has fed him. I bet I could take a decent guess though!! It will be cheerios and toast for breakfast, and end the day in a fish finger and potato faces ::).
J pretty much has 2 proper meals (breakfast and dinner), then a big pre-nap snack and a small post nap meal, then another afternoon snack as he is too hungry to wait for his dinner as he has been snacking rather than eating meals ::). So he really is feeding little and often throughout the day now anyway.
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That is our meal day as well Liz. I didn't think there was anything wrong with it though :-\ :-[
Breakfast - toast and cheerios or pancake and cheerios, bit of fruit
Large snack in the morning - bread roll, cheese, fruit, raisins, yogurt - usually all 4, sometimes not
Snack post nap - rice crackers with spreadable cheese, more fruit ::) zwieback (melba toast?), and a biscuit
Small snack before dinner - maybe some yogurt or raisins, often a biscuit, perhaps some peas or carrots?
Dinner - whatever he will eat - if we have pasta he will eat, if it's not, then he probably only has peas or carrots and some toast and yogurt
I've been happy enough with it lately...probably shouldn't be, but it's easier to accept it than to battle it.
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Oh no Mashi - I'm perfetly happy with it as well - it is a case of picking your battles isn't it?
Only thing I dislike is if he gets too many snack foods because we are not organised enough )I mean rather than little bits of better foods iyswim), and I dislike the 4.30pm tantrum as he is hungry and inpatient for his tea - which I am in the middle of getting ready!!
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Liz-I think that sounds like a good amount of food for the moment. At least he is hungry at points during the day! :) Does your mom prepare the other meals herself or do you have to prepare them for her to give? Thank goodness my mom prepares foods for DD. It's such a time saver. Of course she isn't that picky and since my mom is making herself meals anyway she just gets the same thing my mom is eating generally.
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I dislike the 4.30pm tantrum as he is hungry and inpatient for his tea - which I am in the middle of getting ready!!
We get this as well. Same time every night. I do my best to have tea ready for 430 but tonight was a case of it being a little late - so gave him a piece of cheese and then he wouldn't eat his tea because he was too busy crying over me saying "no more cheese" ::) BUT had I given him anything else to eat 10 minutes earlier he'd have said no.
Grrrr.
He's also a little Goldilocks with his bedtime milk - JUUUUST right or he won't drink it. Tonight whinging and moaning that it was too hot and I added 5ml to a 6ounce bottle and it was fine. Like, REALLY did it make that much difference? Grrr. I think it's going to be a short time before I just ditch the bottles all together - I'd rather have him on four or five sippies of 2-3 ounces each, with yogurt and cheese as supplemental dairy than keep up with the bottles, kwim?
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I arrived at my parents today to find my Dad spoon feeding him peas :o. Why oh why will he NEVER eat anything like that from me ::). And he was eating sausage!! Nice quality ones from the farmers market - apparently he eats it if you take the meat out of the skin.
Mum does give him his food through the day - but really he eats so little of such plain things it is no big deal. So butter some bread, or grate some cheese, or scramble some egg!!
I totally agree about milk throughout the day but I doubt J will go for that. He has refused milk at all other times for quite a while now.
Drank 7oz before bed tonight from the bottle.
Tomorrow am he is getting his new cup :-\. Yep - another new cup ::). We will see.
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WOW peas and sausage...that's good!
For what it's worth...Ava TOTALLY eats better for my mom than us.
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Hey Liz, have followed along this thread with interest. Luckily DD is a vey good eater, and funnily enough she only really eats sausage meat out of the skin, despite not being fussy at all.
Not sure if you have already tried this but my DD (15m) took something other than a bottle tonight for the first time ever, it was this (I think, I bought it in a chemist not the internet)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002FV5I0O/ref=asc_df_B002FV5I0O527332?smid=A2W61H83TXLAZ7&tag=dealtimecouk-baby-mp-delta-21&linkCode=asn&creative=7974&creativeASIN=B002FV5I0O
Also my sister likes these if you wanted to try a cup without a top:
http://www.johnlewis.com/230409356/Product.aspx?source=14798
Sorry if you've already tried/seen these!! Good luck :)
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I have found with those tt cups the straw is too short, Caleb goes to put his mouth over it and ends up biting the lid instead, he likes a big straw so we got him one with a big straw, he still has to bite the straw to get the water to come through and then suck it up though, he likes to bite the straw. Im trying to only offer him these kinds of cups instead of the old ones where he had to tip it up and bite on the big thick teat to make the holes open, we are getting alot of positive response to water, drank about 6 oz yesterday in total but no such luck with the milk, i offer it and he pushes it away, i offer again and same thing, i then offer him water (from anotehr cup) and he drinks it!
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Ugh - put the milk in the cup and he had maybe 2 sips. Left it lying around and he didn't even touch it. Ate a load of cheerios out of his snack cup. But it isn't as though he was asking for his bottle so I just left it. I hope I am doing the right thing.
I have tried that TT staw cup but was worried that I might not be able to clean it properly for milk ???. J does drink well with a straw though, so maybe worth a try again.
It isn't that J can't manage sippies yet - he can - he drinks from a free flow sippy, a straw sippy, open cups (too messy for milk). Only thing he seems to really reject is soft spout sippes.
Sigh.
It really is just the milk - but he isn't drinking it out the bottle either.
And now he has the box of cheerios in front of the TV ::)
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Is there any chance he would drink a smoothie or something? You know, just making the milk more interesting and tasty for him?
I just whack the straw cup in the dishwasher, am hoping that's OK!! DD drinks water all day long from a free-flow sippy but not sure if she would entertain the idea for milk yet...I think she is the opposite to J, she needs something soft like a teat when she has milk which is why I think she likes the straw cup...Only problem is she likes lying down and tipping it back, so not much comes out if she does that :P
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Was just wondering the same :). And wondering if he is starting to realise that formula tastes pretty nasty.
He is taking his bedtime bottle - but is on and off it all the time. Takes 30 mins to get 4-7oz into him now. Those teeny tiny books are a godsend as I can hold them and the bottle at the same time ::).
I just wonder if this is all inevitable really :-\. I mean a boy who HATED milk as a baby due to pain and reflux, HATED his bottles, threw up all of the time. Never took more than the bare minimum of milk. Even at 6 mths we were only getting about 20oz a day into him.
He didn't eat a particularily big breakfast today either. But I did get a yoghurt into him so I feel a little better now.
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Was just wondering the same . And wondering if he is starting to realise that formula tastes pretty nasty.
I think that probably is part of it at this age - they've tried so many other tasty things that why would they *want* to drink formula?! Have you tried adding something like a tiny bit of vanilla essence...or is his formula so horrible that it needs a full disguise in the shape of a smoothie :)?! I really don't know how Ben still drinks his - really makes me gag when I've tried it!
Have you seen a paediatric dietitian with J? Sorry, can't remember if you'd mentioned it before. x
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Yeah - sees the feeding team still - but TBH they don't make many useful suggestions anymore. Basically as he can eat almost all textures and self feed - so the rest now is kind of up to him.
I'm happy to try cows milk again though. You never know :).
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My lo loves smoothies. I mix it with vanilla yogurt and a little bit of banana. He may like that. But, she won't drink it on her own, I have to assist her.
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I say go for the cow's milk. Even if it needs to warmed a tad to take the chill out. OR if you have to add a vanilla soy milk to enhance flavor. The cow's milk has a much more drink-like conistency than formula from what I remember when I tasted formula. He may like it more now that he is older *shrug*
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If he doesn't go for the straight cows milk you can always try half and half, or transition gradually.
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We have only just persuaded E to take cow's milk - and now it has to be warm in a bottle which does rather feel like creating a whole new issue! But at least she's taking it. We actually persuaded her to take it the first time when we had been out in the snow and she was cold and dh and I were having hot chocolate so we gave the girls hot milk - she absolutely gulped it down, and has been drinking it since.
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this is such a fantastic thread for seeing all kinds of ideas,
Liz how are you getting on now with J?? any progress?
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Nope :( any attempt to give his milk in any cup in the morning leads to a big tantrum. But he still won't drink much out the bottle either. He seems to have developed a morning ritual and any change to it freaks him out.
So I'm trying to think up new ideas - and from next week we are going to offer him milk in a cup ALL DAY LONG to see if he gest the idea of it a little better. Not sure if it will help though as J has refused milk all day for months now and only wants it at bedtime and in the morning.
I'm thinking of a half and half milk to formula milk, with it cold all day and then warmed up at afternoon snack time, then chucked away and try again the next day.
I'm just hoping to trigger some 'milk in a cup is an acceptable idea' thoughts in him ::).
He really is very stubborn :-\.
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Awwww Liz. Super stubborn. I like the mixed formula and milk idea. Hope it helps. :)
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Not sure if this would help but my DD would never take a sippy cup because she would tilt up and had to suck hard to get water out, so I tried a straw cup and she took to it right away...that was at 9 months old. Last week I tried her milk (warmed the way she likes it) in one of her straw cups and she only took half, got off my lap, and walked away lol. Then I went to look for a wide soft straw cup with Elmo (her favorite) and goodbye bottles. She actually drinks faster out of it because the straw is so wide. I figured it's because milk is thicker she didn't have the patience to keep sucking hard to get it. Hth
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Ok well i have an update, one that *might* help. we decided to give Caleb hte straw cup at bedtime instead of a bottle and the last three nights hes taken it fine! we have kept the morning bottle. I was advised to start with the morning bottle first but i found he was more ready to accept a straw cup at nighttime as he is at his most comfortable (on my knee wiht a blanket) he seems to accept it more there as he finds comfort bein with me right before bedtime whereas first thing in the morning he wants to get up and do STUFF!!! so a straw cup is just a pain to him then.
anyway, we havent tackled morning bottle yet, maybe in a few weeks, just one thing at a time! I also found that i wasnt as stressed out about it at night as i already knew he'd had enough calcium etc during the day so if he only took half the amount i didnt worry, but so far so good!
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Even though Natalie never took a bottle per se, once she was maybe 18 months-2YO we started making up a rice milk smoothie for her in the mornings. We were using a sort of sports bottle with a straw which was a pain to get the powder out of, so eventually we switched to using plain Rubbermaid water bottles. I'd put the stuff in, close the lid, shake it up, and she got good at it. There are smaller ones with straws, too, about juice-box size, and some without. It was surprising how easily she got the idea of just drinking the drink.
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That's great Jo, I also found it easier to switch the evening bottle first, she seemed a lot more tolerant of change at that time. We also started off with a straw cup and she took that for a couple of days but got a bit frustrated as she wanted to lie back on a cushion like she did with her bottle, but our straw cup needed to be upright for her to get the milk out. So after a couple of days I tried her again on the plain old sippy cup and she didn't bat an eyelid. Our transition ended up being a day or 2 of refusal, straw cup for a couple of days, then quickly onto Tommy Tippee sippies with no fuss at all, and it has been about 6 weeks now I think! I am amazed at how easy it was in the end, although apart from sleeping arrangements DD is very adaptable ie breast to formula to cow's milk, no problem, I know I am lucky in that respect.
Good luck Jo and to anyone else transitioning. xxx
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That is interesting Jo and Charli - I haven't even thought to try bedtime as I am so worried about him waking up hungry as J is NOT a good eater.
But I do know I shouldn't really be stuffing him full of milk at this age as well ::).
Charli - what straw cup do you use as I know you are a UK mummy :).
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I can't remember what it is called, I thought it was a Nuby one but I will check tonight (am at work atm) All the same it is very similar to these:
http://www.kiddicare.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdisplay0_10751_-1_88938_10001?rw.cm=Shopping.com,cse&cm_mmc=icrossing-_-Shopping.com-_-Product+Feed
The straw is very rubbery so I thought she might prefer that texture to the hard spout of the sippy.
HTH :)
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Hi all. I managed to get ds off bottles when he was teething with molars. He was already drinking water and juice from a straw cup - avent, with the little adapter and ordinary drinking straw. When his mouth was sore with the teeth he decided the straw was easier.
Has anybody tried being sneaky and changing the teat to a slower flow so that maybe the bottle is a little frustrating?
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Very sneaky :). But with J he would just refuse his milk - go to bed hungry and then wake up for it >:(.
I didn't know avent DID a straw cup ??? is that in the UK?
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well we tried the straw cup this morning and he took it fine as well, looks like we may have scrapped the bottles - just wondering though, do you stick with the straw cups and then try him on normal cups or go back to sippy cups where he has to tilt his head back?? whats the actual process to go to a normal cup?
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With me DD got fed up of the straw cup so I didn't need to actually transition her. I do remember asking on here if it was such a bad thing if she just stuck with the straw rather than going onto a sippy (when she was still using straw cup) and I don't remember any real reason not to...Perhaps it's not so good for their teeth or something??
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Liz, it's not a proper straw cup. You know how you can take the teat out of the ring and swap it for a disc and then you can store milk or food in it in the fridge/freezer? Well I found a little disc that fits into the ring and it has a little cross slit in it (like the lid on a drink from McDonalds) and you just put an ordinary straw in it. For the small bottles, I just trimmed the straw first so it wasn't too long. Not at all spill proof, but it was fast flowing which ds found much easier when his mouth was sore cutting molars.
I haven't looked for the straw adapter in a long time (my youngest is 4 now) so I don't know if it would still be available.
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HI Liz, we transitioned Ben's milk to a straw cup - a tommee tippee explora active one - they're 1/3 off in sainsbury's at the mo. Much better for when he's teething and was having a strop when I tried to give him a normal sippy!!
http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/sainsburys-price-comparison/Baby_Care/Tommee_Tippee_Explora_Active_Straw_300ml_Cup.html?ShowSwitchSMBar=3
xx
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I don't remember if I mentioned this on this thread, but when Josie got on a sippy, it took YEARS to get her off it - I think she was 3-1/2 till we finally ditched them. (They were getting old and gross and I was tired of cleaning the bits and bobs. :P)
We decided to completely bypass them with Natalie, and used actual cups/beakers at the table and sports-bottle-type things for the out and about when we needed spillproof, and now she's a pro at drinking from cups, water bottles, the works, whereas Josie still hunts straws for drinking even at home from regular cups.
So, my take is that if they don't do a sippy, it's really no harm done and may be even better! :)
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Deb-I can't IMAGINE DD drinking from an open cup on her own. Mess, mess, mess. The sippy cups she uses; fall all the time, she isn't very good at setting them down, she waves them every direction/tilting them and I can just see the amount of clean up involved. Yikes. Even the drips from the sports bottles would be EVERYWHERE with her. That's amazing that Natalie got the hang of them so early. :)
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Deb-I can't IMAGINE DD drinking from an open cup on her own. Mess, mess, mess. The sippy cups she uses; fall all the time, she isn't very good at setting them down, she waves them every direction/tilting them and I can just see the amount of clean up involved. Yikes. Even the drips from the sports bottles would be EVERYWHERE with her. That's amazing that Natalie got the hang of them so early. :)
Some of them do - M was able to drink from a water bottle by 12 months, and an open cup from about 15 months. Not to say that she didn't spill - she did and still does - but it was always accidental spills because she wasn't paying attention. E is more in the waving things around school, so we have straw cups for her which are fantastic.
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I guess that's one of the benefits of having 2 LOs--you really get to see how different they all are...first hand :)
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When Natalie was able to sit at the table, we gave her these teeny weeny little plastic cups we got in a set from IKEA (along with plates and tiny utensils! :)); we'd put like 4 or 5 of them at the table, they were maybe half the size of shot glasses, very tiny, with an ounce or so of water. There were many many messes at the beginning, but she got the hang of them! She graduated to shot glasses (we found some plastic ones on sale at our grocery store in the Seasonal area, of all places) and then to small cups and never looked back. I think once she ended up doused with cool water from shaking and waving she got the idea that it wasn't such a good plan to do that. LOL
But really, I think the younger you start them on regular cups, the easier it is for them down the road, especially with someone like Josie who took a long long LONG time to get away from sippies. :)
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That's very interesting, I do give DD a proper cup occasionally with the tiniest bit of water in but she tips the cup back too quickly! I might try a doidy (sp?) cup soon, try and encourage her to not tip it up so quickly. Quite happy with her having her sippies for morning and evening milk though, don't want her to grow up too quickly ;)
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Hi there, I just wanted to ask you Liz how did this transition go - or how is it going rather? I am now panicking because of the whole 12 mth off bottles thing...and Finn is on too much formula/too many bottles now - imagine that from the kid who used to refuse them lol. I wasn't really paying attention to feeding/food as much as I should have been, more focused on sleep. And now we need a dietary overhaul.
He's not hurting for food either...he's huge...unlike J who needs the nutrition. So I can be a little more 'persuasive'.
I have read everything and I am not really sure how to proceed. Did you dilute his formula or just move straight to cow's milk? What cup worked in the end? We have a million and I am trying to work out how to go about it...did you rotate the cups until he took to one?
Finn uses a sippy cup with straw for water only. Put anything else in it and he throws it on the floor.
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Hi Wendy - Jacob still has bottles for milk :P. I tried a few things but so far he hasn't taken to it - but I haven't tried actually refusing any bottles as I am still not willing to risk actually dropping the milk iyswim?
I'm currently in the middle of transitioning to cows milk and have been diluting the formula. That side of things is going well and we are now at 2/3 cows milk. I've been doing it for 10 days now - but he hasn't rejected at any point which is great for us. I did offer a straight switch just the once and he didn't like it so just moving him slowly now instead.
I'm hoping that once he is on pure cows milk we can try the cups again - but perhaps just by offering during that day until one day he feels a little thristy and has it.
Jacob has 2 bottles a day - first thing in the morning and before bed.
But I'm not overly bothered by the 12 mths off bottles thing - more that he wiggles too much when I am trying to feed him, and he would still rather I fed it too him ::). And held a nice book for him to read at the same time. I think he thinks I am an octopus!!
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Hey Wendy, just butting in here :)
I def wouldn't worry too much about the fact he is 12m and being off bottles, I think it is quite rare that they are off them quite that quickly, despite advice. DD was on the sippy by 15m and I was thrilled with that. How adaptable is he where food is concerned? I was lucky with DD and was able to just completely switch to cow's milk when she turned 12m (in a bottle) and she didn't pay the blindest bit of notice, never went back to formula then. But of course you could always try replacing some formula with cow's milk and going that route.
And re swapping to sippies, it was a bog standard sippy that worked for us in the end as she only took a straw cup for a day or 2 before rejecting it. And I took the quite firm standpoint of milk in a sippy or no milk at all (not that I was standing in front of her shouting that ;) I just only offered the sippy and let her drink what she wanted, didn't revert back to bottles after a couple of days of doing that and her quickly figuring she didn't even need to try the sippy as mum would just put it in a bottle anyway!) So anyway after a day or 2 she just accepted the sippy and we never went back, it was so easy in the end, I feel very lucky! But like I say she was nearer 14/15m and like you I had no concerns about her milk intake as she is such a big eater. If the worst had come to the worst I was just going to increase her calcium intake in all other foods throughout the day and add more milk to things etc.
HTH and you don't mind my tuppenies worth :)
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Certainly all advice is appreciated :-) I guess my concerns are that he's starving during the day now, or so it seems. I am chalking it up to the 12 mth growth spurt, but perhaps it's because he is walking and burning calories...or both. He is 'ok' with solids, still texture-phobic but doing much better these days. But he is not taking enough solids to make up a reasonable diet in my opinion, despite our best offerings. We got him on yogurt at an early age so every morning he gets his pot of yogurt...and he does like cheese so I throw that into meals and snacks when I can...mostly use shredded and dump it on his tray for him. I think we are ok on the calcium front...but formula has a lot more than calcium right?
We moved him to the 6-18 mth formula a while ago, I think the only difference though is that it has more iron. I have tried cow's milk a few times but he's a bit apprehensive. This morning with breakfast I gave him a few ounces, he sipped and then waved the cup around...and then walked around with the cup for a bit waving it...and now the cup is lying in the heap of toys lol. I suspect I might have better luck diluting the formula with milk in his bottles...and start the transition that way...
Right now he's still taking around 24 oz or more of formula which I understand is too much at 12 mths. Oops. Well ok he's 11.5 mths but hey.
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I tried a formula change with J at 12 mths (as they changed the manufacture of mine and it gave a taste difference). But really did not like it and made a royal fuss. But 5 mths later he doesn't seem to mind as much.
Perhaps he is starting to realise formula tastes odd though? He has actually drunk this combo milk better than the pure formula.
How many bottles does Finn have Wendy? He might take more solids if a bit less milk. Jacob certainly improved A LOT when we dropped to 3 and then to 2 milk feeds a day.
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Yeah I think we need to do this, start limiting bottles. Basically we have been offering 3x 8oz plus a bedtime top up. It's too much formula! But now we are into that feed at the EW idea of DH's...and I have to say it's working. So he's hungry...or thirsty. Could he just be thirsty and water is cutting it for him? He has had a sippy in his crib with water for months now...and he does get down it...because I do fill it quite often.
Ideally I would like to phase out the lunchtime bottle at least, in time for daycare...but that is the one he takes the most of. Morning and dinner is hit and miss as to whether he takes the full 8 oz, normally takes around 6. And the bedtime also hit and miss, but more often than not he will take at least 7 oz if not the full thing. He is hungry after his nap these days, I give him a snack and water but he is just after me, crawling up my pant leg to get a bottle...so I give him a snack bottle sometimes, around 4 oz. What am I doing??! Arrrgh.
He does take a decent amount of solids, like example he will take half jar of meat & veg and then a few tablespoons of fruit and then whatever finger foods are on offer...but he still wants that bottle! I can't get him to take more solids...unless I stop offering the formula and get through the tears and pant leg drama.
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Sounds like he just really likes his milk ::). But it does need cutting back really. And a bigger solids meal will likely hold his hunger off until morning better than milk does at this age. We see that with Jacob as they are slower to digest.
If you don't want a fight over it could you just reduce the amounts slowly in the daytime bottles a bit - so 1oz every few week or so to get them down to 5-6oz?
The cows milk seems to be less filling for Jacob as well compared to formula so maybe that will also help?
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So if I start with cutting back the formula should I also dilute it with cow's milk? Or just one thing at a time? I can definitely reduce it, have done recently but he cries and continues sucking on the bottle even though it's dry lol I just say 'all gone, it's all gone' and hand him his sippy with water in it.
Interestingly, he has not asked for a bottle this morning. He's had yogurt, some fruit (strawberries which went in and right back out of his mouth), offered toast which he threw on the floor, and then a few sips of cow's milk and some water. Not sure when the bottle monster is going to appear...
So dinner should be big and closer to bedtime? We've been going about it wrong. Dinner is offered around 5ish because he's so hungry and then he has a big bottle right at bedtime.
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I do the same times still ATM - but I think J probably eats more solids at this time. He will likely eat a fish finger, some potato wedges, some cheese, some fruit and a yoghurt. Then bottle is 1.5hrs after. But I find if he has a big bottle and no tea he wakes hungry at 5.30am - but if he has a big tea and only a 5oz bottle it makes no difference and he wakes at normal time just fine :).
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Ok thanks Liz...thanks for letting me resurrect this thread :-) I found some good tips here. I will try to offer him more solids at dinner and less bottle at bedtime to see if that helps. I already cut down the ounces today and he seems fine with it...I have done 6 oz bottles instead...and tried cow's milk in a cup every meal...which he promptly refused. Wasting a lot of milk here lol