Support for dropping the nap part 11

[rachsk8]

Right.  Will do!  Thanks. 

'Watch this space....' hahaha

[rachsk8]

11hrs ONS, 5.20am wake up. Any tips on extending that a little?

[PineapplePrincess]

I have been kind of MIAlately. My lo has been back to napping most days now. We have been getting mostly 11-11.25 hours total each day. Mostly 8:45-7:15 with a 45 min nap. Sometimes we get 9:00-7:00. If we get a short night, like. 9.5 then I offer a 1.5 hour nap.

Rachsk8, I was told to keep bedtime on nap days and no nap days consistent. I tried to aim for 12 hours awake and got too much variation in overnight sleep, so now I do more of a set bedtime. Also, bedtime on no nap days shouldn't be more than about one hour earlier than nap days.

We stick with:

Nap days:
Wake by 7:15/7:20
Nap around 1:30/1:45-2:15/2:30
Put down for bed at 8:00. He falls asleep between 8:45-9:15

No nap days

Wake 7:15
Asleep by 8:00/8:15

[*Becky*]

how's everyone doing? Well in the last week it has all gone a bit awry here and M has not napped much...she has been nap refusing a bit and can't work out if it is OT or just developmental stuff, she is 3 so she can't nap forever!

On no nap days she has a 6.30pm BT which is prob not early enough but as early as I can do most nights and if I can get her to nap for an hour we do 7pm. I am not sure whether to keep working on her to nap or just do a car nap for 30 mins every so often to keep OT at bay...would rather not of course but not sure we will manage on no naps. We have had some sadness at BT a couple of nights and some EW ups although she has been staying in bed until the sun comes up at least.

[jessmum46]

I *think* we're just about done here.  J hasn't napped at home for a few weeks now and has been doing well with 6.30/45 BT and pretty much 12h nights (occasionally more), NWs have reduced too.  The days she sneaks a nap at nursery BT is a bit silly and she still wakes at normal time, then has a very grumpy next day from a shorter night.  So as from next week we are planning to ask nursery to keep her awake - wish us luck!  Quiet time is working well here though and she will happily stay on her bed in her room playing for an hour or more . So at least a little break for me.....unless DS decides that's time for feed/screaming etc.....

Becky - in case it helps we did 6.30 BT on NNDs and 7pm on nap days for quite a while.  As NNDs started increasing we went for a car nap 15-20 mins every third day or so just to hold off the OT and stuck to a 7pm BT latest on those days depending on morning WU time.  Occasionally J would take an hour or so at nursery around midday.  It's only in the last couple of weeks though that nap days have really thrown BT off badly and that's what makes me think it's time for the nap to go completely. 

[*Becky*]

thanks katherine, will see if we can do that too. I am not sure she is ready as on NND's she def is not so settled at Bt but we'll see x

[rachsk8]

Jess we are in a very similar place! DS had his first nap in 2 weeks on Thursday but was actually more tired yesterday I believe so I need to cap that even on a catch up I believe. He had one week of good nights with no NW's then back to NW again so there's def some OT still. I have had a glimpse of what the end of this process might be like though so I live in hope that maybe we are almost done?!?

I have a real tired kid still today but he did have a 12hr night and is the king of nap refusals so I can only keep offering a short nap and hope he gets good ONS to recover I guess.

[rachsk8]

Btw, does anyone else's kid act really tired, especially in the mornings at home yet still not nap and yet generally seem a little better in the afternoon after some quiet time? He yawns and yawns especially in the car but only goes to sleep maybe 10% of the time in the car now?
Am I hyper-vigilant? Lol

[rachsk8]

Help. The nap day sent things downhill and I now have a silly OT kid... DH reckons of he naps we should let him as long as he wants to and self regulate. I'm not so sure. Isn't ONS more restorative? So would you cap at 1hr and go for a normal BT? (6.30/7)?

[Aishi]

Really do not want to be here but don't think dd got the memo!

Dd gets ot on a capped nap so we've been having 2h naps with BT shenanigans and a short night. I was hoping she would continue like this for a while but yesterday she refused nap (usually she's down wo a peep) and same today . Bt was 5.30 last night and she had a few upset nws beforw 12 but sttn till 6.45. It seems like she's going to drop the nap ct! Anyone else go this route? How ugly does it get?

[jessmum46]

Rach I'm with you on this, I'd still cap because risk is long nap equals another short night. 

Aishi I'd just keep offering nap at usual time, I found with J the number of NNDs gradually increased.  Once she was regularly refusing more than a couple of days in a row we did a quick 15-20 min car nap in the afternoon just to tide us over to bedtime.  We also didn't use super EBT (although DD has always tacked well) as we found long night meant more risk of nap refusal the next day and at that stage she couldn't handle too many NNDs without getting OT even if night sleep was long.  We just did 6.30 on NNDs and 7pm on nap days.

[bongabees]

Hi! We are back! After a couple months of capping naps, and stupidly short nights, we decided to go CT on the nap drop.... In the last week he has had one nap and it made the night short after that so he was actually more OT after a nap day. Good to read through your posts ladies to see that the same things going on.

But, we are STILL getting EWs! Seems to make no difference what time he goes to bed, so I am trying to get him to bed as close to 12 hours after WU, but that is super early, so he ends up having 13 hr days most days. Amazingly, his behaviour seems better without the nap, but I think he is going to get really OT soon. Any tips? I need to extend his WU time seriously. (He wakes at 5;30 ish most day and asleep by 6:30ish except for one morning he slept til 7:00 after a brief NW at 4am). Any one tried W2S with a 3 year old?

[*Becky*]

how old is your DD Aishi? Would she not manage a 1.5 nap? 2 hours is pretty long? We had no issues with OT when going from 2-1.5 hours but we did from 1.5-1 hour.

[My little Liam]

Becky, how did you handle OT with the 1hr nap?
We have been doing the 1hr nap for a while now but he keeps getting OT and EW and then after a few days crashes and has a long night and then the cycle starts again. I am trying to figure out if it it really is him becoming OT because of the short nap or if he is actually UT and needs his nap capped even more and he becomes OT again because of the short nights...

[Aishi]

Katherine didn't dd have ot ew anyway from the longer day if u weren't using ebt? That's what I'm afraid will happen here...

She did have another ebt today so I'll see how she is tomorrow. I was hoping that after a couple of nnds even with ebt she would eventually be tired enough to nap iykwim?

Becky dd is 2.5 on the 17th of July. I was nap capping at 1.5 for a few weeks but I was having nws and ew so I went back to 2h nap and short nights which was fine until she decided to refuse the nap yesterday....

Anna- I remember reading when ds dropped his nap at 3.5 in Jan that at the beginning of 1-0 most kids can only handle 10.5h days (iI think it was mamma mia who was only doing 10h days...) Have u tried shorter days to see if he tacks on? My ds can only now handle 12h days 6 months after dropping the nap and I still have to have ebt once or twice a week for him to cu...

Oh also have done w2s on him recently to break 5am habitual wu. Did it for a week an hour before his ewu time. Hth!