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Title: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on June 30, 2015, 06:47:35 am
Hi there!! My 11 month old just learnt to crawl last week and now naps and bed time have become a battle!! She's soooo tired but keeps getting up and crawling and pulling herself up in her crib. I'm having to keep lying her back down and sometimes resort in holding her sack tightly to the bed so she can't move. As soon as I do this she relaxes and goes to sleep. She's getting so OT!!
Any ideas on how to address this issue? I'm hoping it's just a phase!??
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: anna* on June 30, 2015, 09:10:37 am
It's just a phase! Honestly. Every major milestone will disturb sleep, all you can really do is ride it out - it will pass!
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on June 30, 2015, 19:02:23 pm
Agreeing with Anna. We had this too. It does help if they can get back down themselves, can she do this yet?

If not, one thing I did was play endless ring, ring roses with DD holding her hands and helping her down at the 'all fall down' part. Then, although she was still messing around up there, she didn't get upset about not being able to get back down.

It does get better sweetie, well, until the next thing   ::) :P x
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 06, 2015, 00:02:18 am
When will it pass ?!!??!!! 😩😩I am soooo physically and emotionally drained from this. I've tried so many things. Laying her back down each time she sits up. She gets hysterical. Leaving her. She'll sit up and stand up and cry, then her overtired and once I lie her down and restrain her from moving she'll only sleep 30 mins from being overtired. Night times are getting bad now because of the lack of day sleep. Up 2-4 times a night 😩 she was doing a 1.5hr am nap after 3hrs40mins awake time and a 45-1hr afternoon nap after 3.45-4hrs awake time. Until she started crawling 😞 bedtime isn't so much of a battle as she is so tired from the lack of day sleep.
Please if you have any advice at all. I'm at a loss of what to do. She's been self settling perfectly since 3 months old. And sleeping through 12hrs most nights expect when teething. Now because of the nightwakings she's only getting 10-10.5 hrs at night and Max 2hrs during the day.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on July 06, 2015, 06:27:23 am
It may be a routine tweak might be in order hun? You're obviously in the way to the 2-1 with that routine. How long has she been on it? How's that first nap now, you mentioned your old routine but said it's all going wrong?

Mind posting the last couple of days for me to take a look at? Also, I would expect a ww is coming into play there too with bday developmental shenanigans x
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 06, 2015, 09:52:44 am
Hey hun. Thanks for the reply. We've been away for the weekend so that didn't help the situation!! I'
Last week before we went away.
She's up between 6-6.30
I was doing 3.30 until she started doing 1.15min naps.
So at 3.45 she'd do 1.5-1.75 first nap. Then afternoon nAp is never consistant at 40-1.15. Usually on the shorter side. After 3.45-4hrs A. Sorry I don't have easy format. A
This routine for about a month. Before that we were trying UT first nap of 1hr and longer second nap, that worked for about a week until I couldn't seem to get a decent afternoon NAp out of her. So decided to push from 3-3.20 first A to 3.30 and now 3.45 first A. She's been on two naps since 6 months.
Ohhhh we've just finished a ww about two weeks ago. It's just the moving around thing. As soon as I hold her down from moving around she starts to relax and close her eyes...?
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on July 06, 2015, 18:37:30 pm
Ok, definitely time for a push in A time then hun I'm thinking. I too couldn't get the A time right for a longer pm nap, so happy to help you along the 2-1 if you'd like?

They are slightly low A times for an 11mo especially considering she's been on 2 naps since 6mo. What time is BT if I may ask?

You've done absolutely the right thing in extending her A times, I just think it might be time for a little more. Ok, if you have a read of the link I'll post in a minute too and you let me know what time you'd ideally like BT boot be at, we can start moving forwards x

From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 06, 2015, 20:47:08 pm
Thanks hun! I've had a thread on the naps board but that was a few months ago now.
Bedtime is also at 6/6.30. Last night she was asleep at 5.30 because her naps were so horrible. She's definitely OT at the moment. Especially from our trip away. We had 3 OT cry outs before midnight last night. Then a wake up at 4.30 and then up for day at 6.15.
Yes I think a push too. Except it's so hard to do when she's OT!!
Would you suggest jumping to 4hrs first A?
So a nap between 10/10.30?
Bedtime at 6.30 would be ideal.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 06, 2015, 21:17:33 pm
Forgot to mention she is full on teething right now. Top two teeth have started splitting the gum. Definitely think it's a routine issue too though
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Mariellamom on July 06, 2015, 21:28:31 pm
Hi, just popping in to encourage you. We've been through exactly the same thing. Sometimes our pre nap/bed time would last up to 2hrs. It was way too frustrating!  I had to leace her once or twice crying as I was just exhausted. DH helped a lot in that crazy period by putting her down for BT. His hand is harder and she couldn't move much. But yes, I was holding her putting my hand on her back until she was asleep. Later she figured out how to 'crawl out' from under my arm though :)
Also since 8 months DD started showing signs of 2/1 and clearly was exhausted by the nap time ( 5hrs A time from 8 months for us ;)
Sometimes I just breastfed her to sleep when that crazy period was just way hard. But it doesn't work now as she is just too active anyways ;)
We still have some of those days when she is up and down in her crib and sometimes I leave her, she will make two screams and goes to sleep on her own.
So just wanted to say it does get better !!!!
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on July 07, 2015, 18:40:10 pm
Thanks for popping by Ohla, it's always so helpful to the OP when they hear others have been through the same.

It might be difficult to expect 12hrs ONS later on in the transiiton hun, just so you know. A 13hr day will be more than likely, which might push BT closer to 7.15/30 eventually until she's ready for one nap.

Teething can really have an impact. We'll just see how she goes. Normally we wouldn't recommend doing a routine tweak whilst teething but the routine was a bit off beforehand really.

So let's try and work to this for a while and see if she settles into it:

Wu 6/6.30
A 4
Nap 1 10/10.30 for 1.5hrs capped
A 3.75
Nap 2 3.15/3.45 for 45mims capped
A 2.5
BT 6.30/6.45

As you can see the last A to BT is short. This may help with the OT too, but I'd expect that to lengthen slightly as well. If we get BT shenanigans after a couple of days, we'll look at lengthening it or chopping some more off that pm nap. Wdyt? A plan? Xx

Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 08, 2015, 02:18:50 am
Thanks Ohla!! Feels like I'm the only one going through it at the moment so nice to hear it gets better! How many weeks did this go on for you ?
Everyone's like, just leave her in there she'll eventually go to sleep. Tried thAt. She sat in there playing, whinging, for over an hour and got very very OT!! I feel like I have a newborn agAin having to resort to helping her get to sleep!! Haven't hsd to do this for almost 9 months 😩😩 my back is killing me.

Cool thanks Kelly. Will give that routine a go. Yesterday she managed 3.50 first AT, slept 1.10..she went to sit up, I quietly laid her back down and she slept another 25mins. Afternoon was horrible. Put her down at 3.40...fell asleep at 4hrs, me holding her sack to the bed so she'd actually lie down and relax I might add (😣) then got woken by the neighbours after being asleep for only 10 mins. Took another 45mins to resettle then she slept 1hr20 mins. Was up 1 hour had tea, bath then asleep for night by 7... Woke at 10, then two more times in the early hours. Up for day at 6.30...

Today she only slept 30 mins after 4hrs first WT.. So I thought ok, you're so tired, put her down for second nap at 3hrs WT.. Battled until 4hrs WT.. Has just gone to sleep now. Argh such a mess😞 she's now got a cold too.
Do you think getting the A times right will help getting her down for naps ? The morning ones easy, she doesn't really fight it for long. The afternoon one is such a battle. Bedtime is fine at the moment. Only because she's so OT at the moment though.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 08, 2015, 03:44:19 am
Slept 35 mins.. Been trying to resettle her for an hour. She's sooooo tired. Keeps almost drifting off then fights it. What's going on ? This is the worst she's ever been 😞
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: deb on July 08, 2015, 03:48:20 am
Might be a bit OT by then....tweaking the A time might help. Can you give pain meds 20 min before naptime in case it's the teething keeping her from settling fully?
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on July 08, 2015, 18:17:16 pm
ITA with deb, perhaps some OT has set in with all this teething? How's the rest of today gone hun? X
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 08, 2015, 19:46:54 pm
Yes she's getting six at once and now has a cold 😣 she's not even eating much at the moment. Put her to bed early. 5.30. But the night was pretty rough. Wake ups at 8, 1.30 and 4.30. Really hard to resettle. Going to take her to doc today to get her checked over.
How do you go about pushing A times when they're teething, sick and OT?
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: deb on July 08, 2015, 21:47:02 pm
You don't.  You will find  it much easier if you wait til she's feeling better.  :-*
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on July 09, 2015, 18:49:05 pm
Unfortunately as deb said, you have to go with the flow a little when they're poorly. Usually they might sleep more in total except for all the yucky WU's with stuffed noses etc. I know I need more sleep when I'm poorly. They're just the same.

Vaporub on the soles of the feet works wonders here. Some put socks over the top, but we use sleeping bags so didn't bother. I don't know why it works, it just does! Hope she feels better soon. Once she's better, we can look at tweaking again hun x
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 11, 2015, 04:00:12 am
Thanks Luv. She's better now. Morning naps fine. 1.5 hours. Afternoon nap horrific!! I've been aiming for 3.45 awake time like you say. But she fights and fights, like her eyes are almost closed so many times. And then she ends up staying up. 5 hours sometimes. In bed fighting for over an hour. Or she doesn't go to sleep at all. What's up with it ??!!!!!  I'm going nuts 😭😭😭😭
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: deb on July 11, 2015, 12:09:32 pm
11 months was when Josie hit separation anxiety. It's also when she went to one nap, come to think of it....
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Mariellamom on July 12, 2015, 04:08:44 am
Sorry, Laura, didn't see the messages here.
I think we had this craziness for 2-3 weeks until I decided to all for advice here and we went to 4-5 hrs A time and 2/1 transition. It was much easier to focus on one nap and do a CN with APOP. Just like yours,  my back was killing me and my nerves were not ready for that at all ; )
After I pushed A times really far, she was exhausted and didn't fight the nap.  DD also had a cold,  so I went with the flow, but kept extending her A time after I saw she was fighting her nap.
That was one of the most stressful times. Even though all first 8,5 months we were super sleep deprived...

Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 12, 2015, 20:55:14 pm
Hey Ohla. Thanks !! Yeah I for sure think she's almost ready for just 1 nap. She managed 4.15 first Wt yesterday. 1.5hr nap. Although I had to put a hand on her back at the 30 min mark. I've noticed at the 30/35 and 1.10 Mark she goes to sit up. But she's not ready to wake. This only since I've been extending a times. So I guess I'll keep doing this until she transitions on her own. Got an afternoon nap yesterday after 4.15 a time. Is it quite normL to have to APOP the 2nd nAp in this transition period? She's actually doing a bit better at night now. With only 1 quick wake at 4.30. I still feed her then though 😁really need to stop that soon. Although it's not a habit wake as it's not always at the same time.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 12, 2015, 20:56:31 pm
Ohla, it looks like our dd's Are the same age! 11months 12 days here. What's your routine like at the moment ?
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Mariellamom on July 13, 2015, 23:00:01 pm
Oh yes, I didnt realize they are the same age :))
DD changed her routine in the last 2 days ;)
Before that for 3-4 weeks we had 13 hrs nights!
Now something like this:
7:30-8:00 WU
BF
Solids
Snack, BF before the nap
13:00 nap after 5:30 A time
14:15-14:20 A time
Lunch
18:30 E
Bath
19:30 BT ( normally I don't go longer than 4:30 A time before bed)
Last 7 days she doesn't wake up in the night. Before that was up to BF at 4:30. Dropped on her own!!!
What is your routine ? Or you posted it earlier here?

Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 23, 2015, 06:35:35 am
Hi there! Sorry haven't been on in a while.
Well we attempted your routine Kellyjs, the morning nap originally was 1.5 hours - but that only lasted about a week.  It then went to 1.10/1.15 again.  I have found that her morning WT is 4.5 hours, as of the last two days.  The afternoon nap is a disaster!!!! Some days she doesn't fight it but most days since I first posted this thread it has been such a mission to get her down.
Today I have attempted a 1 nap day - as I am really tempted to just go for it.  But Im thinking because she went to bed early. 5.40pm - she will wake early.  The last couple of weeks whilst she's been on two.  She has been going to bed at around 7/7.30 and we're still having unsettled sleep from 3.30/4 onwards until she wakes up.   Her front teeth are now through.  She will be 1 at the end of next week.

Today went as follows
NW at 3.45
NW at 5.50
WU - 7.10
Nap - 11.30 - 1.10 (1hr40mins) -I had to put a firm hand on her back at the 30min mark and the 1.10min mark.
BT - 5.40

So as you can see - 4.5 hours WT is required for her to go down without too much of a fight. 
My issue is - as she went to bed early - she will wake up early - and then a 1 nap routine won't work. 
How do you suggest I go about this...? 
I'm also struggling to come up with a feeding routine to fit in with these longer A times.

Looking back - on one of her horrible afternoons where she did a 1.40 am nap - and completely resisted afternoon nap - she was awake 5 hours - but slept through 12.5 hours - the first time in weeks and weeks!  That was about 3 weeks ago now though. 

Her awake times have extended out so quickly!!!!!
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: deb on July 23, 2015, 11:06:52 am
We went thru a period of time where some days were 1 nap, some days were 2 naps, and some days were one good nap & a catnap; eventually it settled out with about 5 hours A time morning, nap of 90 minutes or so, and another 5 hours to bedtime for the night. She didn't *always* wake early when she went to bed early; that did happen sometimes, and then the next day we tried for a catnap in addition to the regular nap.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 23, 2015, 18:16:13 pm
Well would you look at that. She slept 11:5 hours straight through. She for sure is ready for just 1? She woke early though at 5.15. Tried to resettle but no go and fair enough too ! So I'm thinking I'll definiteLy have to do a 30 min catnap late arvo. Damn :( Im wondering if she likes long A to bed..
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on July 23, 2015, 19:20:06 pm
Same here, we had to switch between one and two naps for a while.

Oh and don't forget there's a massive ww at 1yo. For some it means less sleep for a while whilst they work through their developmental stuff, for others, all of a sudden they need more sleep. I was amazed. DD actually slept 12-hrs overnight and 2.5hr naps for around a couple of weeks at that age!, didn't last though  ;)

What you do have to remember during these transitions is how much sleep they used to have yk? So if usually she had a 1.5hr nap and a 45mims nap with 10/11hr ONS, it would be kind of unrealistic to expect a 14-hr night after a 1.5hr nap. Sometimes they do surprise you, but it doesn't last. So in those instances you have to expect an early wu the next morning. For these I apop'd a car nap for 15mims at 9am just to let her through to just after her usual nap time. Then BT could then be slightly later that day. Does that make sense? Seems I'm in a rambling mood today  ::) xx

You could consider popping by this thread too?  I found it really helpful when we were going through the 2-1. Helps when others are in the same boat.. I just directed another lovely lady I'm helping there too Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #27
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 23, 2015, 20:39:03 pm
Ok thanks Luv. Whilst on two naps she was doing 14-14.5. So yesterday's total was 13. I was going with a 30 min Catnap after 4.5 A late this arvo. Then bedtime soon after. Do you advise the morning catnap ? I just find it hard knowing what A time to do afterwards. Thanks I'll have a look at that thread
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 23, 2015, 20:54:14 pm
I might try APOP it at 4 hrs WT though. I guess it's pretty common to have to APOP the second one from now on ?
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 23, 2015, 22:06:14 pm
Oh one more thing I forgot to mention. She still finds it hard to independently go to sleep 😞 I've tried leaving her because I know she can get down from standing on her own now. But she gets really distressed and I have to lie her down and rub her back. Night time isn't as bad though.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on July 24, 2015, 06:44:53 am
Arghhhh!!! 2 nap days are horrible.
WU -5.15
Nap - 9.40-11.10 (1.5)
Nap - 3.30-4.05 (0.35)
Battling to go to sleep it's now 6.40.
Her days are wayyyyy too long with two naps. She needs at least 4hrs to bed I think.
The reason she's waking at night is because her days too long do you think ?
It's really really frustrating. What would you advise I do if she likes 4-4.5 a to bed but can only just make 4.5 in the morning.
Yesterday her total wake time was only 9 hours. And she slept through. Today it's now 11.5 and she's still not asleep !! Ahhh. 😌😌
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: deb on July 24, 2015, 10:10:08 am
The 2-to-1 nap transition is usually a pretty bumpy one. While you're in the middle of it, definitely adjust your expectations and plan on "faking it" for a couple of weeks at least. Some days there'll need to be catnaps, some days not - just read cues as best you can. Hang in there - there are usually a bunch of posts about the 2:1 floating around at any given time for that same reason - you are not alone! Start here maybe: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #27
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on August 27, 2015, 08:40:29 am
Hi there!
Hope all is well with you all!
I just wanted a bit of direction and advice on what to do with my dd at the moment.  I've been chatting on the 2-1 board but its not overly active at the moment.

My dd will be 13 months at the end of this month.  Since my last post on this thread, things went very off track as we had heaps of disturbances. Trips away - teething - sickness.  We have just gotten over a very long bad cold and so I wasn't really following a routine - but more going by what she seemed to need/want and letting her sleep for however long.  This ended up going ok - nap wise - nights were horrible - probably because she was so congested - but also maybe because she was getting too much day sleep.  She would do 3 hours - nap for 1hr15mins - then 3.5hours - nap for 1.5-2hrs.  Very rare for her!!
Before she got sick etc - we were doing 4 hrs first A and getting 1hr20-30 min nap - then a 30-45min catnap - but the afternoon catnap was always always a battle to get.  I remember she would sometimes end up not taking it until 4.30 - being awake 4.5-5 hours on some bad days!  WELL - that is what it has gone back to!!! 
I decided to push the morning wake time back to 4 hours - it is day 2 and she's still only doing a short 1hr5-15min nap.  Then absolutely fighting the afternoon nap.  Today she wouldn't go to sleep until 5hours awake time - and then slept 45mins.
We've had a couple of 1 nap days in the last week when she has woken up a bit later - she did surprisingly well - but has woken for the day early at 5.40 - so then of course it is too hard to only do 1 nap..  Her 1 nap has only ever been 1.5-1.75hrs long.

Im really not too sure what to do?  I am so over the afternoon battles..But it seems she is soooo sooo tired by the 4hour mark in the morning, and she wakes up crying at the 1hr5-15min mark.  I don't mind having to APOP a catnap every afternoon for awhile longer - but just can't figure out what sort of time to try for! 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Oh forgot to add - she usually always wakes up between 3-5am. (Well since she's not sick anymore!)   I feed her (bf) although I know this is just a comfort thing.  I want to work on weaning any night feeds - but want to be on a better routine first.

Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on August 28, 2015, 19:03:11 pm
Sorry for the late reply hun. Also sorry things have been rather rubbish for you atm.  :( I'm going to move you over to the toddler sleep board too as your LO is over a year old but we can keep the same thread going ok?

Ok, let's go back to the beginning shall we? Is she totally better now? How's the 4hrs A going now it's day 3? I would continue to apop a CN in the pm if you can. It does take a bit of trial and error to find the right time, but if she's going to sleep at 4hrs ok in the morning without too much fussing, I would perhaps try close to that time, so around 3hrs 45mims or so? Wdyt?

I too got fed up with the inconsistency of it all and ended up on the set nap and BT route. It may be the way to go for you, however it might be worth just a couple of weeks of these battles just to totally make sure she's better and to get her used to the higher A times again yk? In order to get to one nap we need to be closer to 5hrs A to safely have  a nap and BT in a day that's of a reasonable length! Xx
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on August 28, 2015, 22:11:12 pm
Hey Hun ! Thanks for the reply. She's still only doing 1hr15 or so. Yesterday she didn't fall asleep until 4hrs45mins but still woke up very upset at the 1hr15min mark. So guessing OT. Tried to resettle but no go. MAnaged to APOP a catnap after 4hrs in the arvo for 30mins but that took us to 5.15pm! I know she prefers a longer a to bed. She went down on her own ok at 7.15 though. Night was ok. Wake up at 5.back to sleep at 5.30 until
6.30. Don't think the UT first nap is going to work anymore :( so think I'll just have to keep on pushing and hope the nap starts lengthening.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on August 29, 2015, 05:25:48 am
So first A of 4.15mins, 1hr10nap... Tried for catnap at 3.45...didn't go to sleep until 4.5!!
I guess another option is 4hrs WT..30min nap, 3-3.5hours WT, 1.5min nap?
When she was sick was doing 1hr first nap then 3.5hours later a 1.5-2hour nap. So it does work.
Maybe I should of just started decreasing her morning sleep.

Do I have to be aware of TWT at this age ? How much should I be aiming for throughout the day?
I just know she likes a longer last A to bed, so until she can comfortably do 5 hours first A without melting down. Do you think I should try a short capped first nap for a good while to see if it sticks ?
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on August 29, 2015, 06:04:00 am
It's definitely worth a go hun. I found it difficult to get the A time right this way round so it does take a bit of trial and error. However, further down the transition, I apop'd a 15mins car nap in the morning here and there just to ward off any OT or if she woke too early in the morning to cope with the A time to her usual nap time.

I think your timings look good to give it a go? It may help force wu later too in time, which would help the eventual switch to one nap. If she does prefer a longer a to BT we may get away with around 4.5hrs first A to get to one nap, but even then you might have to switch between one and two nap days for a while. Want to try your way for 3 days and see if she settles into it and keep me posted hun? Xx
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on August 30, 2015, 08:45:59 am
Cool will do hun thanks so much ! Will report back on a few days :)
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on September 10, 2015, 04:31:48 am
Hi hun !
So things have been going ok ! Ish !
Im doing 30 min first nap after 3.5 hours a time.
Then 3-3.5 hours later. A 1.5-1.75 second nap.
Been chatting to girls on the 2-1 board and they think the 1.5-1.75 nap is possibly OT as she wakes grumpy and bedtime is a bit of a battle.
She's been going down after 3hours WT to bed. But taking 20-30 mins of whinging to nod off. And sometimes me going in and out. Her nights haven't been too bad. But she's EWing at 5 am and then I'm feeding her and she goes back to sleep for an hour or so. I'm wanting to ween her over the next 6 weeks as Im still BFing. If I don't feed her at 5 she won't settle 😞
Hmmm anyway. She's going down independently for morning nap but afternoon nap I have to stand by her cot otherwise she freaks out.
Ladies on 2-1 suggested I try to make sure she's asleep by 3hours WT and see if that helps her nap lengthen. Failing that, cut first nap back to 25 mins.
You don't have personal experience with this way do you?
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on September 10, 2015, 18:20:56 pm
Unfortunately not hun, but I think I would try having her asleep by 3hrs A and see if that makes a difference. You should know by the first try really if she goes down earlier. The nap length is good, so that's not anything to go by either. I probably wouldn't aim for a longer nap tbh as that might cut into her night sleep. What you have nap length wise is perfect, just ideally you don't want her waking grumpy so putting her down a little earlier might help with that.

When we were further into the transition we did apop a quick car nap here and there at 9am for 20mins and that got us through to a 12.30pm nap time, but she was mostly on one nap by then.

My DD could only manage a short A to BT too, it did get a little better in time. 

Let me know how it goes ok? Xx
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on September 11, 2015, 06:47:03 am
Hey hun. Tried to have her asleep by 3hrs, put her down at 2hrs45mins as she usually takes 15 mins to settle if it's the 'right' time ! But nope, took her until 3.5 hours again and we only got a 1hr20 nap this time. 3.5hours A to bed. Was aiming for 3, as she seemed super tired, but she performed, like she was OT and too 30 mins from put down to get to sleep with me going in and out a few times.
Hmphhhhhh....
Not too sure what to do next.
Cap first nap down to 25 mins ?
I really wish her first nap, when extending A times would lengthen 😓
Last weekend we were out in the morning and she didn't take the catnap, so we though, Ekkk, let's just see how she goes. Well, put her down at 5hrs15mins, she was clearly so OT, then she woke at 30mins sooooo hysterical I couldn't even settle her in the cot. Had to lie her on my chest, then she slept another 1.5hours. Stirring occasionally like it wAsnt a great sleep. That night was horrrrrrible! Heaps of Nw's😣 wasn't surprised.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on September 14, 2015, 14:02:51 pm
Ok, well that was good to see. How's it going now?

My DD was like that later on in the transition too, just wouldn't go down unless we were at a full ish A time. That's why we went CT to set nap and BT with the odd 2 nap day like I mentioned earlier with the early car nap. I probably wouldn't go that way just yet for yours as we don't want another night like you had.

So does she wake up on her own for the first nap at 30mims?xx
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on September 14, 2015, 20:28:08 pm
Hey 😊 hmmm well the weekend was messy because she was looked after both mornings and didn't take her catnap until 4hrsWT, and then the Sunday she was awake 5hours, then fell asleep on car but only slept 55mins. She then fought the afternoon sleep, after 4hours WT, slept 1hr15. Had a pretty bad night Sunday night. Woke an hour after going to sleep. Then from 11.30-1!! She was trying to settle, but kept waking up again And really crying.
She's now quite OT I think. As yesterday, naps were ok, a 30min, and a 1.5. But same again at night. Wu after 1hour of going down, then again at 10pm then awake 3.30-4.45. At this point I fed her which I really want to wean by the end of October but it seems to be the only thing that gets her back to sleep at this hour.
My husband and I are going away for 5 nights half way through November so I would really like her to be weaned by then. Still BFing before afternoon sleep and BT.
Would be great if she was on one nap by then too.
How do you suggest I achieve the switch to 1 nap over the next 8 weeks?
I was actually thinking I might cut Morning nap to 25mins next week.
She's been on two naps solidly since 6 months, and by 7months her first a time was 3.20. Then for a while at 10.5 months, 3.45, then 4.5 a month or so ago, but that wS with me resettling every 30 mins.
She's finding it so hard to SS for naps now too. So all in all everything is a bit of a mess and I need a good plan of attack 😣😣

No I wake her at the 30 min mark. She'd happily sleep for 1hr15 if I let her. But then needs 4hours Wt and is sleeping to late in the arvo. That's why I started capping.
Because of the long night wakings at the moment she's only getting 10hour ONS and just 2hours Ds.
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on September 15, 2015, 06:32:24 am
Have you checked for teeth hun? I'm wondering if teething is at play here too?

I too think there's a little OT going on there, perhaps we sort that first then we can move on? As she's waking an hour after going to bed at night I think we could try a couple of EBT's? Wdyt? My DD still wakes soon after BT when a little OT. I would keep the day time routine as is with the 30mins nap and the 1.5hrmnap if she's willing then maybe bring BT forward by 30mins just for 2 days or so? Worth a shot? Xx
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on September 15, 2015, 06:49:35 am
I can't see any teeth coming, but she has started grinding them again.
Yup sounds like a plan hun. I actually let her sleep at hour this morning.
Today went like this
Wu - 6
Nap - 9-10
Nap - 2.15-3.45
BT - 6.30

So 2.5hours of day sleep. Will see how tonight goes. Then judge that on what I'll do for the next couple of days to try and get on top of her OTness.
Hope you are doing well 😊
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: lauraims on September 15, 2015, 06:59:15 am
Oh and she went down tonight with only a very short 2 min cry!! Usually I end up going in s having to calm her ! 👏
Title: Re: 11 month old crawling in her Crib
Post by: Kellyjs on September 15, 2015, 11:27:35 am
Yay on going down well. Tbh many people suggest trying to lengthen the night sleep if OT creeps in but for DD once she was on one nap, a slightly longer napped worked well here so hope it does for you too. It was a gamble as she second nap could've ended up being UT but I think this shows we are on the right track in that she's OT xx