Happy singing Emw for a 7 month old

[Mum2lucy]

Yesterday was a disaster.

Went with 3.20 again for the morning a and got a half hour nap which is reckon was OT.
Then I was going out so the afternoon she only had 30mins (ot) as she wouldn't drop of to sleep in the pram for ages.

Wu 7.40
S 11.00 - 11.30 (40 mins of crying trying to extend with shhpat and pupd. Pupd quieten her but she wouldn't drop back off at all. Gave up after 50mins)
E 12.20
A
S 14.45 - 15.15 (had been fighting sleep since about 2pm)
A was still out in pram
E 16.30
A
Bt 6.30 with feed

She slept 6.40 - 5.50, feed and then slept 6.20 - 7.20

Will post today's later
Thanks xx

[Mum2lucy]

So yesterday was:

Wu 7.15
E
A
S 10.30 - 11.55
E
A
S 14.50 - 15.15 (in car on way back from a class, had hoped to make it home for three to get her in her cot but she fell asleep so drove around as she doesn't transfer from car to house)
Bt 6.50. (Tried to get her to bed for 6.30 but she took ages to settle)

Tried to get her to go back to sleep in pram walk later for quick catnap but just wasn't having it. Really doesn't want to sleep more than twice a day now.

Night was roughly  6.50 - 5.50, feed, 6.20 - 7.45. Seemed to maybe be making up for the lack of afternoon sleep?

As she is falling back asleep at 6.20am ish, I've been leaving her to sleep on as it seems strange to wake her again at 7am like I used to.
Do you think I should wake her even if it is only the 40mons later to keep wu consistent?

Thanks xx

[Kellyjs]

Yep, I think she's way past 3 naps now. You might have to shoot for EBT on the days the second nap isn't as good as it can be.

So this first nap was OK yesterday wasn't it? I've never been able to transfer DD from car to cot either! I want to keep an eye on that second A for the next few days and see if a pattern emerges. They can start to show a preference for staggered A times at this age just to confuse us more  .

I personally used to wake at a set time every day, but looking back I wish I hadn't been so regimented. They do need a chance to self-regulate and I think that's what's going on with your LO atm and she's catching up from lost sleep during the day. It's great really, I'd make the most of it while you can! All in all she seems to be getting a good amount of sleep in 24, which is much better than it was xx

[Mum2lucy]

Today was

Wu 7.40
E
A
S 10.50 - 11.55 (a bit shorter at 1hr 5mins but the A was shorter at 3.10 but she was getting a bit upset with what I thought was tired)
E 12.00
A
S 15.20 - 15.50 (put her down at 14.50 but she just chatted / rolled around in her cot until 15.20)
Bt 19.00

If I'm honest I don't know when to put her down in the afternoon due to the lack of tired signs. It's always just a guess. What might a staggered A look like? I wondered if a set afternoon nap time might help?

Yes you are right that she is getting a decent amount of sleep over 24hours - thankfully!

Ps. How jealous are we of mummy's who have babies that transfer from car to cot 

[Kellyjs]

So jealous!!!! 

Ok, so that's still good to know we need to keep the longer first A. No worries, always good to double check.

I'm thinking UT for that second nap wdyt? I might bring it all the way up to 3hrs 20/25mins considering she's faffing so much. Staggered A times can be anything really at this age my DD was doing:

Wu 6.30
A 4hrs 15mins
Nap 1 10.45-12.15
A 3.5 hrs to get an UT nap
Nap 2 3.45-4.30
A 2.5hrs
BT 7pm

Not saying yours needs this, but at least you can see what a staggered A time looks like and did for mine. However, you've got room in your day to stretch it a little, so we don't have to cap a nap just yet, just push the A times a little to find what suits xx

[Mum2lucy]

Today was an interesting day 

Wu 7.30
A
S 10.45 - 12.30 (!!!!!! - I can't tell you the last time she napped like that!!!)
E 12.30
A
S 15.35 - 16.15 (40 mins but was ok as didn't want to have to push bedtime back)
Bt 7.15

Nap 2 - I wasn't sure if she was ready for a nap as she wasn't that fussy but didn't want bedtime messed up.

The only difference this morning to get that nap was that I went out for an hour between 9.15-10.15 to do a food shop. Not sure if this would have tired her out more? Who knows but I'm celebrating a big nap! 

[trimbler]

Celebrating with you

[Kellyjs]

Sorry for the late reply, things have been absolutely crazy here. Loving that longer nap, woo hoo! How's things going now? Any joy with that second nap? Xx

[Mum2lucy]

Hiya! 

Nope no joy with that 2nd nap at all.

I did get a 2 hour morning nap the other day!! but the last two days on 3hrs 15mins morning a time I've had 35mins. I don't get how they can be so different? Babies eh?
It's such a shame though as when I don't get a decent morning nap, the rest of the days sleep goes to ruin.

Last few days:

Wu:6.50
S 10.05 - 11.55
E 12
A
S 16.00 - 16.30 (in car. It was 4hours awake but she was so happy during those 4hours so maybe she could do 4hrs after a big sleep?
Bt 19.00

Yesterday:
Wu: 6.40
S 9.55 - 10.30
A
E 12.00
A
S 13.30 - 14.00
A
E 15.00
A
S 16.30 - 17.00
Bt 19.30

Wu this morning at 5.50 and wouldn't go back down 😴😴😴

[Mum2lucy]

Got another 35min nap this morning - I don't know what that is - ot or UT?
She is so frustrating 

Do you think if I extend her first morning a she might morning wake a little later?
Just trial and error maybe? could all be connected with the 35mins and the 5.30 wu that I can't get her back to sleep!

[trimbler]

It's possible that extending the first morning A might help her wake a little later eventually, if it results in a consistently longer nap. Sorry I haven't looked back properly, but do you think she was extra tired that morning when she napped 2h off a 3h 15min A time? When well rested, she may need longer? Or do you think it was more likely an OT 35mins? Did you try to resettle afterwards? Did she seem happy and well rested when she got up from that? I know it can be hard to tell! Many people find that OT naps are easier to deal with, since they tend to be easier to resettle from, compared to an UT nap. Alternatively it may be that you need some sort of outing to  get her to nap well, I remember my DS was like that around this age - bit tiring sometimes but I ended up just making sure we got out, even just for a short walk, during every A time, so that he'd nap well.

[Mum2lucy]

The 2hr morning nap was no different to any other day in terms of her tiredness. Just now at 3hrs 15mins morning a I am back to getting 1hr 10mins to 1hr 20mins naps. I think the 35mins might have been over tired. I've been careful to get her down for 3hr 15mins.

I managed to get one afternoon nap last week of 1hr 10mins!!! It was after an a time of 3hrs 25mins as you suggested. I was so pleased!! She is such a happy baby when she sleeps enough. However it's never worked again and I'm back to 30mins in the afternoon.
as she gives no tired signs, I feel like giving up and just accepting that the afternoon will be 30mins!! 

[trimbler]

Perhaps the optimum A time before the pm nap depends on how long the morning nap was - ie with a longer morning nap she needs a longer A time, but if it was a short morning nap, she may need the following A time shortened to avoid OT.

Have you tried lengthening those short naps at all? Eg trying to resettle when she wakes, or doing 'wake to sleep'? How do I address habitual wakings? (wake-to-sleep and other methods)

[Mum2lucy]

Sorry for delayed reply. Been a busy week here!

I do try and extend the 30mins except if I'm in the car 😂
I've had a few more decent afternoon naps. I think if I'm in, she'll sleep better and it's around the 3hrs 40mins a mark if she's had a decent morning nap.

On the plus side, last night she slept 7.20pm - 6.55am this morning

[trimbler]

Sorry for my delayed reply - busy week for me too

Yay for the great night

How have things been since?