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When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« on: November 11, 2010, 19:51:19 pm »
Here we have homo (whole), 2%, 1% and skim (no fat)

We were told whole milk for Finn...but not for how long?  He's quite a solid little lad, don't think he's having any issues lol

When (and if) did you move LO to a lower fat milk?

As far as I know the calcium content is the same in the different types, it's just the fats that are different?
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 19:56:23 pm »
Listening in.....

 I think its 2 over here but really not sure.  ???


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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 19:58:51 pm »
we still use full fat/whole milk, but then DS is  a skinny lad
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 20:04:46 pm »
I am pretty sure that in Canada the recommendation is whole milk until they are two, then to switch to lower fats unless they still need that little bit extra in their diet.
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2010, 20:08:58 pm »
Yup, they are supposed to be on whole milk until 2 (and it is just because of the fat content),  I used to love borrowing a bit of Masyn's milk for hot chocolate...so creamy!  Too bad Spencer is on soy!
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 20:11:24 pm »
Just spoke to our clinic who said he can change at any time now.  Interesting.  I think it's really dependent on the kid. 
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 20:14:37 pm »
Funny enough there was an article on yahoo today saying that kids should be able to switch after age 2, and that it was recommended to do so unless they have a specified reason to stay on whole. I guess your health professional would know better though :)


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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 20:20:24 pm »
I've always understood that it's at least 2 b/c they need the fat, specifically for brain development. 
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 20:22:36 pm »
Nathan is roughly the same size as Finn I think (89 cm tall, 30 pounds). I asked about this at his 18 month checkup a few weeks ago and the doc said 2 yrs. He was pretty firm on it. So... maybe it depends more on the doc than the kid??

Why are you thinking of switching?

(And Heidi, I use N's milk in my coffee as well... it really is like cream!)
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 20:26:47 pm »
Why are you thinking of switching?

Because we have to buy 3 different milks in our house.  Tom refuses to have low fat so he wants 2%, Finn is on 3.25% and I need to be on skim.  Adults do not need the fats, I have been reading up on it and the amount of calories and fat content in full fat milk is astonishing.  I need to be creative with calories lol

Tom has been drinking the 3.25% but I think it would be better if he moved away from that, he drinks a TON of milk plus uses it in tea.

I trust our doc and also remember now that the dietician said something similar before she left.
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 20:32:21 pm »
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 20:34:09 pm »
Gotcha. One option would be to mix the 2% and the whole milk for a while, to wean him off the fatty stuff slowly. But if your doctor said it was ok, then go for it!

I watch Scott's fat intake a lot, as well. Sigh.
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 20:38:06 pm »
We are still on full-fat everything at 5, 9, and two 45-YO's. I buy full-fat milk to make our yogurt, and I add fish oil to it when I dish it up! :D

And actually, we DO need (some good) fats in our diet because without them our metabolism tries to slow down making weight loss MORE difficult. [Caveat: this is a controversial subject; this is one link for information but not the same as medical advice: http://www.eatfatlosefat.com/research.php.]

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 20:47:06 pm »
I think DH gets enough fats in PB & Marmite lol
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 22:19:11 pm »
I'm pretty sure here in England they recommend they are on full fat until 5. My 5 year old is still on full fat but he's on the 9th centile for weight so try to fatten him up any way I can!

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2010, 22:23:20 pm »
Wendy I switched DD to semi skimmed (I *think* that's equivalent to your 2% ???) shortly before she was 2, basically because I'm not at all worried about her fat and calcium intake and it was easier to just buy the semi and my rice milk as opposed to full fat as-well, and she doesn't notice the difference in taste :)
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2010, 22:24:07 pm »
I'll think about it I guess.  Not in a rush but just a note to said husband: I don't want to hear any complaints about a 'milk belly' when you get one.  He's pretty much swapped beer for milk lol
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2010, 22:26:36 pm »
At least he's getting calcium from the milk...my DH will only drink chocolate milk.

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2010, 22:31:51 pm »
I was told it should be whole milk until 2yo, then they CAN (don't have to) switch to semi-skimmed until 5yo and then they CAN switch again to skimmed after 5yo.
Apart from the fat though I think it is also to do with the higher quantities of fat soluable nutrients that are in milks with higher fat contents.
If you put half water and half whole milk would that be the same as semi -skimmed?
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2010, 00:26:05 am »
Actually thinking about it, he doesn't drink much milk at all.  He will sip through his sippy cup and that's all.  Must move more to an open cup I think then he'll take more.  The only real milk of value he is getting is in his bottle - we've cut back to 4 oz at bedtime because he was just dawdling to drink it.  He's getting really skilled at open cup with water, must get brave to try it with milk lol

So that means I should stick with the 3.25 I guess until he's taking more volume.
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2010, 00:42:15 am »
I think DH gets enough fats in PB & Marmite lol

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2010, 00:46:50 am »
I just had a thread on this same thing before DD turned 2. Ped. at her check up ended up telling me to switch her to a lower fat milk of our choice but to take her off the whole now that she is 2. I inquired if skim was okay b/c DH and I drink skim and preferred to buy just one container of milk for the household and she said that if she'd drink it then it was great as a lot of kids won't drink it b/c they prefer the creamier texture of whole milk. She drinks any percentage just fine so we use skim at home and where I babysit they use whole and she'll drink either as if it was the same.







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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2010, 01:21:32 am »
So that means I should stick with the 3.25 I guess until he's taking more volume.
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2010, 11:12:06 am »
Wendy, M is on a rice milk, but up until 2, we added coconut  milk to it for fat.  Our ped said at 2, they want less fat in the milk, so now he just gets rice milk.  Not that you have these issues, but my cousin's ped actually made him switch to skim, since he was too big for his age.  For an adult trying to lose weight, cutting to skim or low fat milk is a good idea.  Deb is right that you need fat for metabolism and hormone production.  But it shouldn't come from saturated fat that is in whole milk.  Stick to the PB. ;)
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2010, 13:50:54 pm »
good thread wendy. We are still on full fat here but am going to switch to semi now too. x




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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2010, 14:10:50 pm »
This morning I let him have an open cup for milk - and before daycare, how brave am I lol  A clothes change would have meant missing my train.

Yet he did very well, when he did spill it he told me about it, and he did put some of his Shreddies in the cup, and then said 'uh oh, oh no' and came and got me.  I had to keep reminding him that 'milk is for drinking and we only have drinks in our cup' 'cereal is for eating and stays in the bowl' lol

But last night he got open cup with dinner and guzzled a bunch of water.  I really do think my kid is dehydrated a lot of the time...he must find the sippy cups hard work.  Now his dexterity is better I think we're going open cup and sippy when travelling.

But that's a digression from my thread - really it means that when he's taking more milk on a regular basis I will feel more comfortable switching to one with less fat.  I think I'll leave him on 2% with DH and then eventually they can move to the fine-filtered 1% which really tastes like 2%.  And I'm fine with my skim milk. 
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2010, 14:59:36 pm »
We have taken the valves out of the sippies because M likes to guzzle.  The only reason we don't do an open cup, is because he also likes to throw. ::)
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2010, 16:03:35 pm »
But that's a digression from my thread - really it means that when he's taking more milk on a regular basis I will feel more comfortable switching to one with less fat.

That was my reasoning as well - but then after waiting and waiting, I just switched to semi skimmed anyway and that in itself made him drink more.  There are fewer calories in a cup of semi skimmed than in whole fat milk, so that in itself made him "hungrier" for it. 

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2010, 16:05:36 pm »
Deb is right that you need fat for metabolism and hormone production.  But it shouldn't come from saturated fat that is in whole milk.  Stick to the PB. ;)

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2010, 16:08:02 pm »
Just as an aside Wendy...why not a straw sippy? Spencer stopped drinking from her reg. sippy and we finally figured out it was because it was too much work!  She loves her straw one.
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2010, 16:14:32 pm »
He has a straw cup but to no avail.  We have tried every cup under the sun.  He just doesn't drink much unless it's out of our water bottles lol or an open cup.  If I have my water bottle, he suddenly decides he's thirsty, like DYING of thirst, and if you offer up one of his water bottles or cups he gets even more worked up.  'No I want yours mother!'

I hesitate to keep sharing bottles because I don't need that many daycare germs and also heard it's bad for their teeth as well.

So I just want to get him drinking a bit more because I think it would help him overall.

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2010, 16:21:42 pm »
I NEVER heard that before!! DS is 2 and 8 months and still on whole milk - he has a bottle at night (Santa is taking it away though :) )
He is 15kg's 33 pounds (but quite tall)
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2010, 16:48:54 pm »
I hesitate to keep sharing bottles because I don't need that many daycare germs and also heard it's bad for their teeth as well.


yeah, daycare germs are no fun!  Oh well, if the open cup works that's great. 
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2010, 18:15:34 pm »
Same as with DD I will do full fat until at least 2, then switch to 2%. I'd keep them both on full fat TBH as like Deb I think it's better in many ways (brain development when young, metabolism, etc) BUT whole milk seems to give DD a belly ache. Myself, I use almond milk. So I'm used to buying many different kinds!
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2010, 19:18:08 pm »
Deb is right that you need fat for metabolism and hormone production.  But it shouldn't come from saturated fat that is in whole milk.  Stick to the PB. ;)

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2010, 20:05:20 pm »
FWIW, I'm with Deb on this (cos I loves me milk? dunno). Watching "Sugar, the bitter truth" sure adjusted my opinion of a lot of things though...

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2010, 20:26:28 pm »
I agree with your heart doctor Kara on the MEAT part. I think we get WAY too much fat from animals/red meat. But from my research and French cousins, I don't think dairy fat is nearly as bad (Think French Women Don't Get Fat, etc). I think many of us would be better off with less animal fats, less sugar and more grains and vegetables. And reasonable amounts of full-fat dairy.

Basically, in my mind, animal fats and sugar and OUT OF CONTROL portion sizes are way worse problems than dairy fat.

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2010, 21:00:18 pm »
Since we're all over the place anyway, topic-wise..... ::) ;D

We've found that good high-quality meat (and milk) don't leave us with the same effects of industrially-farmed meat and milk. The rare occasions when we can get raw milk, we LOOOOOOVE the taste and we don't have any of the digestive after-effects. (For anyone concerned, Pennsylvania raw milk dairy farms are super-highly regulated and inspected so we feel confident getting milk from certified farms there, plus the farmers who sell it do NOT want bad press or lawsuits so they are really scrupulously clean.) Grass-fed meats don't leave me in food comas the way "regular" meat does either, so I'm inclined to think it's not so much the saturated fat but the quality of the farming. :( My breakfast smoothie consists of full-fat yogurt and coconut milk (plus rice protein powder and a calcium supplement), both higher in saturated fat than my doctor would deem fit for human consumption, plus a raw egg from my friend's backyard chickens when they're available, and I'm LOSING weight at long last despite a stubborn thyroid. It fills me up the whole morning, seriously, and it's the good sat fat that does it, I'm sure of it.

My doc praised my cholesterol numbers and was shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you! - that we consume and cook in coconut oil, not to mention full-fat dairy (including butter), plenty of eggs, and dark-meat chicken, and Heaven forbid we occasionally cook veg in leftover bacon fat (but have you ever had your kids ask for THIRDS on okra or green beans? ;D). Yes, plenty of people eat way more meat than they should, but so far the USDA-recommended diet high in grains and low in sat fats hasn't really panned out, what with the much higher levels of diabetes and obesity and occurring at younger and younger ages. Grains are also prepared differently than they used to be, as are pretty much most foods we get unless they're specifically raised and processed without the extras. Even Crisco, which is pretty much pure trans fat (hydrogentated oil), is marketed in the States as having 0 grams of trans fat per serving, with a serving size small enough to legally round down to zero.

There is still emerging research on the effects of (naturally) saturated fats and how necessary they are for neural and eye development, but in the absence of messed-up blood chemistry or obesity or behavioral effects of the stuff on my kids (who seem to be like canaries in a coal mine when it comes to food), I'm sticking with the stuff for now. :)

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In any event, it is interesting to see the different recommendations even from country to country or region to region in the opinions of doctors about when to go low-fat with the milk.

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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2010, 21:24:18 pm »
Yes it is all a bit of the French Paradox isn't it.

Certainly saturated fats are necessary, so you just have to be careful where you consume them if you have to limit them.  For me I love chocolate and won't give it up, so I need to be careful with where I am getting the rest of my fats and sugar. 

No one said to me 'time to get Finn off the whole milk' I was just curious if I could make my life easier by getting everyone streamlined on to a similar milk regime lol  But alas not that simple...
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2010, 21:27:19 pm »
Deb my mother would love you!  And I agree fats get a bad rap.  We use coconut oil and milk too!  

OP.  DS got whole milk til one day he decided he didn't like it.  Now he drinks whole milk kefir.  Not nice considering you can't order the stuff at a resteraunt or grab a bottle at the gas and gulp!  From a medical point of view don't know if its bad or good.  Sorry...
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Re: When did you switch LO to low fat milk?
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2010, 09:01:51 am »
Sam and Jenn still drink whole milk (3.7%). They are tall and skinny and it's good fats.