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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: Canadian Nat on December 28, 2014, 17:11:15 pm
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Hello Everyone
My lo just turned 1 year old on Boxing Day, and I've been having signs that she wants to maybe go to 1 nap for a few weeks I think.
I've tried looking at the FAQ first and am not sure if she fits into the long morning nap scenario or the long afternoon nap scenario as she seems to have gone from favouring the latter to favouring the first. It changes. So that is why I'm looking for help here.
My problem is that she seems to wake in the night at any point and now usually can't go back to sleep. I try checking if there is anything wrong with the usual checks of nappy, temperature, pain etc but when all that fails and she keeps doing the odd cry and then listening to see if I will come to her, I begin to think that she is just taking advantage of me and wants me to get her up. However, when I try to settle her by maybe sitting her on my knee she seems happy to be there (as if that is what she wanted), but then strains her head back as if to say, put me down. So, I do, but she keeps crying on and off. In the end I just keep putting her down when she sits up. I'm up sometimes for 1.5-3 hours with her...She's never slept well anyway and I think this is partly due to me having to sleep in the same room as her as we're in a long-term temporary living situation with my mum. But the sleeping seems to be getting worse. Now, after being up for hours in the night, she is obviously tired the next day. So, she has long naps, either in the morning or the afternoon (up to 2.5 hours). I've been trying to see how to play this so as not to get her in the OT area...I don't know what to do really. I have read on the FAQ that I should perhaps try an early bedtime as she won't go down for an afternoon nap if she's had a long morning nap.
Please can anyone advise me? Here's the rough routine she's on:
6/6.30am - wake
6.45/7am - bottle
7.45/8am - breakfast
10am - snack (I've brought this earlier as she's so tired because of her NWs)
1030am - nap
(2.5hrs)
1pm - lunch
3pm - nap - not happening
3.30pm - snack (she's jus gone onto snacks and dropped a bottle)
4pm - nap - not happening
5.15/5.30pm - dinner
6.30pm bed and bottle
This routine is today's routine. I've brought bedtime earlier as it is usually at 7pm. I've done this because she's OT from not napping this afternoon.
I also have a 2.7month old.
Please help!
Thanks.
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When I say I also have a 2.7 month old I mean a 2year and 7 month old (I was typing in a rush!).
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Hello Honey! Firstly hugs for you situation as long NWs are so dreadful! And now some rough advice but please let me know what do you think so we can tweak together:
1. I think that if she was never a good sleeper you cannot expect her to sleep 14,5h+ for 24h as it's just to much for her. Can you please think and try to tell how much was she sleeping overall in 24h before the transition started?
2. Her morning nap is very long but fortunately muh to early (4h after WU) to let her go on one nap day without being OT at BT. On the other hand, she is not get tired at 3 for a good nap. What I would suggest in this transition if you want to go for long am- short pm routine is:
- push the morning nap as much as you can
- trying to APOP a short afternoon nap (don't know if this is possible for you ie pram/ car seat etc)
- if she slept 2h+ during day I wouldn't go for EBT as there is not much she can compensate with
- if it's still difficult to get afternoon nap, you may cut slightly morning nap let say to maks 1,5h (decide yourself how much cutting if needed) and check if she would be interested in settling for let's say 45min afternoon nap at 3pm
3. You may also go with short-long nap stategy which I like especially with early morning wakeups and night wakings as it doesn't allow them to catch up on lost night sleep too early and on the other hand it prevents OT in the evening. So if she is tired after difficult night, put her down 2,5-3h after WU but give her a shorter nap so 20/30/45min (once again you have to find your way) and than put her for longer nap on the afternoon for 1,5h. It's difficult here to find right timing for second nap so you have to check what's good for you LO. At age 1y+ I would go probably for really short morning as 15-30min around 9am and 1,5-2h around 1pm.
Regarding what's best for your LO short-long or the opposite I believe that they will adapt to what you propose but try to be flexible. So decide what solution suits you better and try to be consistent. Do not push to a "book" routine but try to make a tailor-made one for your dd but when you find one, try to offer the same nap time and BT every day.
Regarding NW - they seem UT to me so I would try to address them properly... I would go for PD only if she stands by her own, silent voice reassurance if needed. When she wi be settling with you in the room but without your assistance I would go for walk-in/walk-out strategy to teach her to go to sleep totally on her own. When there will be no routine issues, maybe she will wake less at night - but still, sometimes NW stały for longer, that's why it's important to address them properly:).
HTH!!
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Hi and thanks for your reply.
I'll try and answer your response in order:
1. I think her amount of sleep varied depending on disturbances etc but was roughly a 1.5 nap and a other nap of 1hrs, then about 10 hrs at night but disturbed any amount of times, say waking up 2-3 times a night.
2. Re the long short nap option: this is what might happen today as I've tried pushing her to A time to nearly 4 hrs but on the little good sleep she's had overnight it's been hard to stretch her. I thought I'll try shortening it to 1.5 first and hope she's tired for a short nap pm?
If this doesn't work then I could try the short long option.
Btw, my health visitor (who I called in tears this morning before I read your reply!) seems to think me sleeping in the same room as the baby is what is the problem (I've had to do this since she was born as we're decorating a new house on our own and it's taken forever to do...).
Baby also uses a soother to go for naps and to sleep at bedtime- not at any other time. She could also be waking for that reason too, wanting me to put the soother in again. ..
I'm also going to see my doctor about getting something to help me with anxiety as I don't think m depressed but am, and always have been an anxious mum, but what with a year of worsening sleep deprivation now, I'm at breaking point...
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Oh sweetie! Amazingly big hugs once again. You don't have to tell me about anxious mums as I have always been like that:))) so you just found a mate here! If you fill it will help I would definitely go to the doctor and ask for help. Have you done the Edinburgh test for depression? We have it somewhere here - answering these couple of questions may help you go know if ppd is sneaking in.
Regarding sleeping in the same room, I don't think it's a major problem here. Many LOs sleeps with parents and many sleep with siblings and they still can go through the night. Of course if she is a light sleeper maybe darkened room and little noise can help, but don't think that without another room your LO will never sleep. Totally different story is if it helped with your anxiety. I sleep much better when DS is in his own room as I am not waking when he is moving, grunting or wherever similar. Is there any chance, for your own comfort and health, you could find a quite place/room for him to sleep only even with the refurbishing going on?
And remember that at 1yo when you are going through 2-1 transition and there is wonder week craziness (8th leap) and teething, there are always some more sleep disturbances but it's just a phase and it will pass. I am sure.
Now!!! Your routine:) I think we should be aiming for 2-2,5h of sleep in total and 11h of sleep per night. So starting routine at let's say 6:30 and BT at 7/7:30 depending on how the nap went. Please let me know how your day went today and that we can honk what's next.
I also would propose you, especially if you sleep in the same room to start addressing night wakings without picking her up. Do you have BWSAYP book? Could you re-read the chapter about PUPD at that age? There is also the whole chapter about NW after LO is one. If you don't have I will post some links later, as when writing from my phone I cannot do it.
Generally I would only put her down when she tries to stand and reassure her with voice - stimulation to the minimum. First nights will be very difficult but she will get it. You may try to use ear plugs to help you cope with the crying. I also have seen a thread today on the board of toddler sleep about PUPD at 12mo. She prepared herself very good and she is successful so far so maybe it will motivate you? If you don't find it, I will also paste a link later!
Meantime keeping FX for afternoon nap and going back to Xmas sale shopping:)))
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Hi
I haven't tried that test this time around, but maybe the doctor will do it when I go?
I think she is a light sleeper (as am I). The room is pitch black, so no problem there with light bugging her. We are quiet overnight, unless the 2 year old wakes. The only thing that I know can happen is that I disturb her when I turn over in bed...It is such a pain. I lie there tense half the time trying not to move and I struggle to get in the bed without rustling the duvet! I can't sleep (or the baby either) in another room as we are living with my mum while the house is decorated, so my mum only has so many rooms to fit us...(my husband sleeps downstairs on a sofabed so that he can have the monitor for the 2 year old - if we had it in my room with the baby, it would disturb the baby if the toddler woke up, so that is why we have this strange sleeping situation).
What at is the 8th leap and wonder week you mention? I know she is teething as I can see a tooth peeking through.
You mention that we could probably aim for 2-2.5hours of sleep in the day. Well today, she only had one nap again...In the morning and it was for 1.5 hours roughly. She came around by herself, no need to wake her from it. But unfortunately, she didn't nap again in the afternoon at around 4.30pm (it was this late because my mum took the children out while my husband and I were at the house decorating). So, I don't know what to do...Also, worth noting, she was in a fairly good mood this evening despite not having a nap in the afternoon. Is she delirious with sleep deprivation?! With the 11 hours sleep at night, do you mean undisturbed by NW? It looks like my day starts and ends as you say (i.e. 6.30am and ends at 7pm - except for the last two days when I've pulled it earlier to 6.30pm due to her not napping in the afternoon. Is this wrong?).
When she wakes at night what I do is this: I wait for her to keep persisting in her one-off cries until she sounds like she's going to get worse. I go over and feel if she is wet or hot/cold. I put her soother back in if she has lost it. She isn't always sitting up when I go over to her but up on her arms as if to sit up. Sometimes she is sitting up. It is hard to tell in the pitch black until I get to her! I don't pick her up unless I've tried to keep putting her down and she's not having any of it and gets really upset. I only pick her up at this point because I begin to wonder whether she is in pain or wet and I missed it, or has soiled her nappy. I don't look directly at her and I don't talk unless I need to shush her to calm her down. But over the last two or so nights, it has not got like this. I have just checked her briefly as I explain above and lay her down again or back onto her back for a change of position for her to start her off again. I go and lay down and hope she doesn't cry out for me again once I'm laying still in the bed again...So, am I doing it OK?
I do have the book and will check out the parts you mention but won't be able to do it tonight, I'm so tired. I'll try and check out the thread you mention too.
What do you think about how today went? Shall I push her morning nap later by 15 minutes over every 3 days? I think I read that in the information here somewhere. Because, if she is just going to keep doing this one nap thing, should I try and get her to have it in the afternoon?
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Firstly Honey, you are doing a great job and you have to have balance between yours need and your dd. tou dont have to assist her to sleep at that age for sure and if she is not crying for you but only grunting/moaning it's perfectly fine to try to sleep honey!
At that age it's very important not to let them cry alone but they also need to learn how to self settle. Maybe there are mothers who knows exactly what kind of cry their kid is having but believe me:) a lot of us is asking ourselves that question "can I leave him/her if he is not asleep yet and only moans here a there".
Regarding shared room that's what I am having when occasionally sleeping with DS! I am afraid to move the duvet - this is ridiculous:)! Have you considered sleeping with your husband and only coming to your dd when she needs you? We firstly have to figure out the night waking but if she starts to sleep better?
And where is your 2yo sleeping? Having his/her room?
Wonder weeks are periods in life when kiddos literally jump into new development stage. It start with a fussy period, when they see world with "new eyes" as I likt to call it, they are terrified as there is so much going on in their heads and... When then get used to new abilities, the sunny period comes as they are happy exploring their new skills.
Let's see how the night will go. To create a routine for her we have to get a sense how much sleep she needs. Being on one nap at that age is quite common so that's possible. However to prevent OT you have to push the nap. Have you tried putting her for second nap earlier? I have that with my DS - if I try for catnap after 4pm, no matter what was the nap before (when and how long), he will never settle:).
Waiting for your update!
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Our lo are the same age, and you sound so much like me.
I could have written the same post. In fact, I have ;D Just as she started STTN chaos took over and now Im just like you, anxious, sleep deprived mum. You can take a look at it here, maybe you can learn from my mistakes :)
2-3h A time at night, multiple times.Help!
For what is worth we are living in one bedroom apartment and have always shared room with our lo. And it makes no difference in her sleeping habits. The only way we affect her sleep is if make more then the usual noise when she is transitioning between sleep stages and she is awaken by the noise. But this rarely happens.
Can your lo replug the paci on her own? I put at least 3 in the crib. And plan to add more if needed. This has made a big difference. She fusses about the paci only if she cant find it one on her own. You can try the ones that glow in the dark so that they are easy to find.
Are you medicating for the teething? Molars are very bad, could it be that?
FX we both have good nights tonight. Please share your update, I really like to hear how it went.
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Honey - link of the lady who did a sleep training with PUPD. Nice to read in my opinion!
Going to attempt Gentle Sleep Training for my 12 month old starting tonight.
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Hello
Before I start, I managed to delete the title/subject line of my topic, so apologies if this confuses you!
Well, last night she woke at 9.45pm and I know this is because I made her stir a couple of times when I came into the room to sleep. I stuck the soother back in and she went straight off to sleep again. Then she woke at 2am,don't know why. Could be she was just coming out of a sleep cycle and felt that her soother wasn't there. So I stuck it in again and she took a little of a while to get back to sleep but she didn't call me back as far as I can remember. Then she woke at 6am for the day to start. So that was not as bad a night. Today, she did the same thing with her naps as the other day, she only had nearly two hours this morning from 11am until nearly 1pm. Although she did stir a little during that time. She seemed quite happy the rest of the day again without an afternoon nap. Do you think that she is doing this 2-1 transition then? Do you think she is getting used to having one nap only or do you think it is just a phase? I'm really in disbelief at what is going on!
To answer your question, I don't really want to sleep downstairs with husband as if I have to go to the baby in the night I have to go past the toddler's room and the terraced house is old and has really squeaky stairs! And my toddler sleeps in her own room, yes.
Yes, I have tried giving the afternoon nap earlier but she didn't want it.
I was wondering, as you say, whether I should push the one and only nap she seems to be having, to later in the day. So how should I do this? Do the 15 mins push every 3 days thing? It would be good if she could take the nap in the afternoon as my toddler sleeps then too...
Thanks too Dache, I'll check out your post asap. Yes, she can sometimes replug on her own, it depends how asleep she is when she tries. She just woke now and did it herself. I saw on the video monitor. I nearly went in but I held back to see how she went and she replugged. I am worried that if I leave too many in her cot she'll roll on them and get a sore face or tummy. I only think this because when I have had to help her in the night to find her soother, I've found it under her tummy and have thought, that must be bugging her! Maybe that is why she woke up?
I give her neurofen or calpol for the teething pain.
Hope your night is going well.
Thanks for the link re sleep training Martii85.
I'd be interested to know what you think is happening with my lo's NWs and her nap that seems to be just one a day for the last few days...
Night all...
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I think two things Honey:)
- she is in 2-1 transition so you have to push for as late nap as possible so to minimize OT till BT if she is still reluctant to afternoon cn; if nap was shorter than normal like 1h you may go for short catnap or EBT - depending on what's better for you and her
- it will be some OT here as it is inevitable so you just have to ride it out; but it will pass soon, I promise
- I think you have a dummy prop and it would be great to do something about it, if you want; the questions is, can she resettle by herself at all?
Please let me know if you would like to be ready for dummy weaning and sleep training or maybe it's better to work on teaching her to resettle herself with a dummy at night.
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OK, yes I get what you're saying about pushing the nap. Today she had a 2 hour nap from 11am-1pm. So that sounds more like what you said we're aiming for. I just tried a cat nap at 4.10pm but she didn't want it (I left her there for about 25 mins to see if she would settle but she didn't). So, I think I'll keep her bedtime a little earlier than 7pm just to avoid OT. I know you said if it is just 1 hour to do this but I seem to have a baby that seems pretty ok to do just the one nap a day and it could be because I'm making sure she doesn't get OT by giving her a slightly earlier bedtime than normal? Do you think this too? So with pushing the nap later, I'll try 11 am tomorrow as well as that will mean she's had 3 days of 11am nap time. Then after that shall I push it to 11.15am? And every 3 days creep it 15 mins on? What time do I want to aim to give her the nap in the end? About 1/2pm? After lunch time sometime give or take an hour or so depending on when lunch ends up being?
Also, here is what happened last night: She woke at 9.15pm (I think I mentioned this last night in my previous post because I was posting as she woke up!). I almost went into her but I looked on the monitor and she was picking up her soother herself and put it in. She then settled. Then she woke next at 4.30am. I popped the soother back in as it was out and she took a little while but went back to sleep until 5.30am. Then I just let her lay there until 6am (I kind of have a rule to not get her up until at least 6am as I don't want her starting her day earlier than that as I find it too early!). So, how do you think that night sounded?
I will put her to bed somewhere near 6.30pm tonight, depending on how tired she seems at that time. OK?
Also, re sleep training. I think that given that we're about to do a big house move and she and the other one will be all unsettled for a while, it might be best if you advise me for now how to get her to resettle herself with the soother. Then after that, maybe I can get back in touch with you for advice about how to sleep train without the soother? To answer your question, I don't think she can settle herself without the soother at all. Or perhaps, if you have time and energy, can you give me advice now about how to do both things? Settling with soother and then settling without soother (i.e. weaning off soother).
Many thanks for all your support. I feel alone and scared quite frankly. Life has been so in limbo with our temporary situation in the home and the fact that my husband is always working, I really appreciate some focused support on me and my situation. The health visitors and services here don't give me the support I need when I really need it, and so to be able to contact you and get your replies is a god-send. I know it is time consuming so I can't tell you how grateful I am.
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Hello in New Year:)!
Firstly if you feel 6 or 7pm is fine for her, definitely go for that. You are the mom and that's great that you follow her cues, rather than blindly going through proposed routine. Tracy would be proud of you:)
Regarding nap, the general rule is to space it in the middle of the day so 5-5,5h A before and after. But some kiddos like longer A in the afternoon, some need longer A in the morning to get a good nap. If you have 6am WU and 7pm BT I would try for a nap at 11:30 but both 11:00 or even 12:00 are fine - just observe her and decide. It's important that she gets here around 2h so she can survive till BT.
Pushing nap should also result in moving BT later and moving WU consistently till 6:30 as 5:30 is still quite early.
You have couple of better nights there, don't you:)? That's great!
I will post later about dummy prop as have to go and wake my DS from his afternoon catnap:)))!
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Hello
Happy New Year to you too!
Thanks for your reply. Do you mean the important thing is to work towards getting a 2 hour nap somehow in your previous post? I'm a bit worried about the timing of the nap that I am aiming for as it will probably mean I am going to be having her lunch late? I think 11am is just about doable as if she sleeps for 2 hours she'll wake up about 1pm then hopefully so that won't be so bad. Well, I did manage to get her to an 11am nap the other day so that is good. I'm getting there. BUT...
What happened last night may have thrown all that progress away...Of course, being New Year's Eve, there was a lot of noise everywhere and the neighbours were so loud and there were fireworks going off everywhere, so the baby was awake from 10pm to gone midnight...I tried everything to settle her but she was crying on and off and wouldn't let me stay in bed...I ended up standing by her cot so I was to hand to just put my hand on her and shush her. But I stood there for about three quarters of an hour...I was slightly weepy I have to say...I gave Calpol etc in case it was pain and in the end she just went quiet but it was hours...What do you think?
Anyway, today she had 1.5 hrs in the morning and about 1hr 20mins this afternoon (we had to wake her as it was nearly dinner time). I wasn't surprised that she took an afternoon nap after a fews days of not taking it because she had such an awful night. However, tonight, she wouldn't let me go out of the room when I put her down. I don't know if it is because she had that extra afternoon nap and she's now not used to it as she's just been getting used to 1 nap? Or whether - as my mum said - she misses me (I've been going out to the shops and the new house to sort out curtains with hubby over the last couple of days or so). What do you think? I went in tonight to just lay her down each time she cried and it happened about 5/6 times. In the end, I could see on the monitor that she was just sitting up in the dark in silence. About 5 minutes later she just lay down. But she hasn't gone to sleep in the usual position therefore, so she'll probably wake up crying about it all...
Any advice?
I hope you had a good New Year's Day. I'll let you know how tonight goes.
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Hi!
Difficult to say why she woke and couldn't go back to sleep but my guess is that she is balancing her good sleep with OT and is anything disturb her sleep it may end like that. You acted well and for next time I would be consistent. Just take a method you believe in and keep to it. And this age it maybe only sitting next to her and calm voice reassurance, maybe hand on her. If she stands up, you may put her down and that's all.
Regarding today, I bet she was UT for BT honey. I know that after that kind of night she might be tired but it may reinforce her night waking and you will be in a vicious cycle. It doesn't mean that she cannot have two naps, but I would go for a much shorter one in the afternoon - something which will help her go till BT, nothing more. Count day sleep, for 13h day at her age and in comparison to what she was doing, I wouldn't let more than 2-2,5h of daytime sleep (you have to decide). At days like that you may else go for EBT - maybe it will work for you.
Regarding feeding, can you please post you feeding schedule?
At that age I would go for breakfast, morning tea and lunch before nap to make sure she is not not hungry for her nap, and afternoon snack and dinner followed by BT milk.
Promised to write about dummy. So I am not a specialist as we weaned dummy at 3mo:) but will share a good practice. Please be aware that usually people don't wean dummies at that age if I am correct. The worst age for dummy is from 3 till 7/8mo when they can be addicted but are not yet able to replug.
How to help her her resettle at night:
- put couple of dummies to her bed so she always can find one
- if you are afraid they will fall out, some people you a kind of a cotton net they round the bed (can you imagine that?) so that objects like dummies or lovey cannot fall out
- buy glowing in the dark dummies, it's easier to find them at night
- offer her a special dummy-lovey, it is a lovey with a place you attached the dummy; it will be easier for her to find it at night
- when you teach her, never give her dummy but instead take her hand at help her find the dummy by herself.
If I have any other ideas, I will write!
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Hello
Her feeding schedule is:
6.30/7am-bottle formula 150ml
7.45/8am-breakfast
10am (ish)-snack
12.30/1pm-lunch
3/3.30pm-snack
5.15pm-dinner
6.45/7.15pm-bottle formula 260ml (although she doesn't finish it but has nearly all or most of it). In order to get lunch in before the nap when would you suggest I have her lunch, or her nap?
An update on last night: apart from waking around 9pm and me helping her put the soother in, I think she slept through! Can't remember her getting me up so I really do think it was one of those rare occasions when she sleeps through. They hardly ever happen-could count them on one hand! What did I do right? !
Today I managed to get her to nap at the new house and she did it without crying about the new environment and slept for 1.5hrs. I tried offering pm nap at my mum's when we got back but she wouldn't. So took her to bed half hour early.
What do you think?
Thanks for your soother advice on how to help her resettle with it. How would you suggest I wean her when I'm ready?
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Hi!
In general you should work towards having lunch around 12noon as her nap will be around that time for coupe of years. It would be also important if we want her nap to be long so she is not hungry here. So I would bring her lunch to just before nap. I give my DS lunch at 11 till 11:15/11:20, than nappy change and nap ritual and he is asleep by 11:30.
To make sure she is hungry before nap I would resign from her snack at 10:00. And here it's your choice what to do between breakfast and lunch. You can giver her breakfast with milk in sippy cup at 6:30/7:00 (from 1yo it is recommended to switch from bottles to SC). Than maybe a small snack at 8:45/9:00 and lunch at 11:00/11:30. That's by the way routine in my nursery for kiddos 10mo-20mo. They eat morning tea around 8:30/9:00 than lunch part 1 at 11:00 and lunch part two at 1:30/2pm. Than some snack at 4pm and probably some supper at home.
As she will be eating lunch at 11:00 I would either offer second part of lunch at wake up and than small snack around 3pm as you are doing, or bring her snack earlier to let's say 2:30pm but make it bigger. Than dinner at 5pm and BT bottle around 7pm as you do.
Regarding her naps and BT, I think you are doing a fabulous job:). If she is sleeping 11-12h at night - it means it suits her.
Regarding soother - I am very sorry but as I said I have weaned dummy very early so have no experience ho to do it at 1yo. I can ask other mods to pop in if you want or you can create a new thread - I would encourage you to do so - so everybody will see it and you may have more advice. WDYT?
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Hi and thanks for that reply.
Hmm...we don't really do two part lunches here...I don't think I could do all that and try and get things done in the day. I'll have to think about that. I appreciate your advice though, so thank you.
As for the weaning off soother, I'll start a new thread as you suggest. Thanks.
Last night went like this: EBT at 6.30pm (asleep by 7pm ish).
Wake up at 12.40am I popped the soother in her hand. She went back to sleep. (Worth noting that she went to sleep without the soother as she fell asleep after the bottle in my arms - tired - and I didn't have to plug it back in when I put her in her cot. I knew she would wake at some point then and find she didn't have the soother and need it back. So, that 12.40am wake up wasn't a surprise. Need to get that weaning thing sorted after we move into the new house...
Then she woke for the day at 5.30am. Early...But I left her there until 6am.
Why do you think she woke so early - going by how the day went above, can you figure it out?!
She is napping now from 11.20am (a bit late as I was aiming for 11am but came back from the shops etc and that is how long it took to get her to her cot!).
I look forward to hearing from you again soon and hope your New Year is starting off well!
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Probably OT Honey, as she slept 1,5h during day. Or habit - she is waking at 5:30 for a time already isn't she? Hope that today's nap went better. Where are you from:)? Canada?:D
Regarding lunch, you dont have to split it. Just bring the snack earlier, make dinner bigger and at 5pm. That should be enough.
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Hi
Sorry, I'm in the UK, but my username is a bit misleading - unintentionally I hasten to add! I just love Canada and wish I lived there, so I'm always known as Canadian Nat by friends and family!
Anyway, back to business! Yes, she does tend to like waking early actually. I just hope that if the bedtime gets a bit later in the end as you said before, or at least goes back to 7pm then hopefully she'll make more regular wake ups at at least 6/6.15am.
The plan you suggest for lunch etc. sounds good too. It's a relief to know that!
Today, she napped for 2hrs 20 mins! (11.20am-1.45pmish). So, I totally left the afternoon nap alone and she just went through without too much trouble until 7pm. She went off quite well so appeared tired enough to go to sleep in my arms really. It is just that she didn't have the soother again as it dropped out during her snoozy time in my arms and so of course, she woke up just now. I suppose it was because she didn't have the soother...Who knows...
So, do you think that as long as I keep putting her down for the 11amish nap and she keeps averaging 2/2.5hrs nap, then that should be her transitioned?!
P.S. I posted the soother weaning query on the props board but it got moved back to this one! Anyway, am picking up something interesting advice on that front, so thanks for the pointer.
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It was moved to Sleeping for Toddlers Hon as your LO is over 12mo and all queries should come here for tolddlers. It's ok - my intention was to open new thread so you could get some good advice from other people who are more experienced, as I cannot help here!
When did she wake today? If she still woke at 5:30 with day like yesterday and 7pm BT I would be tempted to W2s at 4:30. But we will see.
And answering your question - yes, with 1 nap long for 2-2,5h I wouldn't even try to afternoon nap.
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Hi
What does W2s mean in your previous post?
Today she got a messed up wake up as the 2yr old woke shouting from around 4.30am and disturbed us all. The baby stirred lots and was awake around 5am properly I think. So...this morning her new little nap routine has gone out the window. ..She was so tired early on after and during breakfast that I couldn't think of keeping her up until 11am so I followed her signs and felt I had to put her down really early...She settled almost straight away and was asleep from about 8.40am...I know I've mucked up but wasn't I right to put her down considering the early wake up and how tired she was? I think the night was ok for her apart from the early wake. She only woke abut 3 times around 8/9pm with what sounded like pain cries but I only needed to go to her one of those times-she needed the soother and went back to sleep.
How do you think I should play the rest of the day? I thought just see when she wakes, how long she naps now and may be need another cat nap later, depending. .? My mum is looking after the girls most of today as I need to go to the new house and get us more straight there as we're nearly ready to move in. So I'll be keeping in touch with mum to see how the baby does and have to advise her what to do going by what she tells me over the phone...
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Hi Hon!
W2S means wake to sleep - a mathod Tracy suggested for habitual waking. I would try to do it after 10-10,5h of sleep so to make her sleep longer on days when her day was 13h and you put her down at 6:30/7:00 or around it. You will find the link on sleep boards. I can paste if you cannot find it.
Cryouts shortly after BT usually means OT. It may come from the long day. She was awake 13,5h which is a lot. For future, try to keep it max 13h.
Try to go through the day as you can, no worries - days like that will happen. In future if she wakes so early, I would do her a very short 10-15min catnap around 2,5-3h after wake up and than put her slightly later for her normal long nap. So ie. with 5am WU short nap around 7:30 and than a nap slightly later than normal so 11:30 let's say or even 12:00 if she can handle. Remember to keep a reasonable BT at that day so not to make her day to long. WDYT?
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Yep ok. I get it. That sounds good about the plan for today. And my reasonable btw is what-say...6.30?
Please can u explain again about the W2s how it might go for me? You mention something about doing it at 4.30??
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I think that your BT should no more than 13h from your WU no matter how the nap went (unless she did a mammuth one as 3h...:). So with 5:30 i would put to bed later than 6:30/6:45. If I am correct the days you tried later BT she was still up 5/5:30. So firstly I would make her work on one nap and 13h day. You also may try one day to do a 7:00 BT when you know she had a good nap and than around4:30/5:00 I would to wake to sleep.
Here is a link:
How do I address habitual wakings? (wake-to-sleep and other methods)
For NW you normally do it 1h before habitual waking. For naps - 10-15min earlier.
HTH!
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Hi, I have been trying to pop on this thread and post all day but haven't had a chance to properly do so until now! A few questions though - how is she currently falling asleep for nights and naps? At one point above you mention falling asleep on the bottle? Is she used to some type of ap for sleep?
I think Marti is on track to suggest a 13 hour day with a decent nap and then once one nap if firmly established you could slowly push the day out while also using W2S if needed. As for the nw's for the soother, I would really suggest spending some time in the day teaching her how to find it if she cannot and get a few extra so there is always one nearby. I had my two soother kids able to do that by 6/7 months. It would probably be much easier to do that than wean it at this point.
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Thanks Marti. Yes, I think that sounds right. Thanks for getting so clued into my lo's limits in terms of number of hours of sleep needed from a distance! I'll try for that one nap and 13 hr day in all.
And Heidi, when she goes down for a nap, I literally walk in the room with her, check briefly for soiled nappy, put the soother in while I'm still holding her by the cot and say, 'Have a lovely nap, Mummy be here when you wake up' and I put her down, give her a muslin and cover her and walk out of the room. Ten minutes after she's been totally still, I creep in and cover her with another blanket as she is always uncovered as she's thrown the cover off while trying to settle herself.
When I put her to bed at night, after she's had the bottle, she's usually awake and sits on my lap for 10 minutes while the milk goes down a bit. (Personally, I don't like the idea of putting her straight down after the bottle as she's bound to feel full up and the last thing I want to do after a meal is lay down straightaway!) While she is sitting there, at first I put the soother in, rub her back to burp her and then once she's burped, I stop rubbing and turn the light off and we sit quietly in the dark. She usually just sits there nice and calm and sucks the soother. Then she makes a sign that she wants to go up on my shoulder and I put her up there and stand up and walk to the cot. I then stand for a few moments to let her know that this is the moment I put her down for the night, and just lay her down and walk out of the room. She usually settles straightaway. The only difference to the above is if she is super tired from a bad day's napping, then she sometimes falls asleep on the soother while sitting on my lap in that 10 minutes upright time. I can't help this. I just put her down the same way after sitting with her for the usual amount of time to let her milk go down a bit. The only thing that sometimes happens is that if she falls asleep on my lap in that upright time, the soother sometimes falls out and she's so asleep that she doesn't cry out for it. So I just leave it on the side and wait for that dreaded moment sometime in the night when she'll wake and want it...
Hope that gives you a good picture of what goes on at naps and bedtime?
I have started to give her practice time trying to find the soother. I am just letting her have the soother then saying 'pop!' (which is the word I usually say when I'm about to take the soother out of her mouth when I pick her up after her naps or in the morning when she wakes). Then after I've said 'pop' and taken the soother out, I've been putting the soother on the floor near her head as if she's in the cot, making sure that she sees I've put it somewhere. Then she rolls over and gets it. Is that how to train her?
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. She had her 1 year old immunisations today so tonight may be disturbed...
By the way Marti and Heidi, last night she had me up 4 times...I put the soother to her hand each time and she seemed to go off, but not sure if she was waking for that or for some other reason and just found that she didn't have the soother at those times and she then wanted it..?!
Today she napped for only an hour from 11.30am as the two year old disturbed her lots...So I gave her a 6.30pm start to the BT routine. She was super tired and so it was one of those nights where she fell asleep on my lap...By the way, I've also bought a glow in the dark soother but given that she might wake tonight with sore legs from her immunisations, I've decided not to use it yet - I thought I want to make sure I've ruled one reason out about why she might wake instead of wondering whether she's woken because she doesn't like her new soother! I'll start using it in a couple of days.
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Great Honey, the way you practice soother repluging seems fine to me, let's wait for Heidi's opinion yet as she is far more experienced here!
Regarding her waking - you know, they wake from million of different reasons but it they are learnt to go to sleep with a dummy, they start to moan. So there are nights she wakes once or twice and nights when she wakes 5-6 as she was more disturbed by sth or maybe more OS or OT after day full of attractions. So the thing is not to concentrate on how many times she wakes and resettles but so she can do it by her own.
With your BT routine, it's fine I guess with waiting after milk (especially if you are changing her diaper in the end) but I would try to separate you and going to sleep more. So after milk maybe give her a BT story or do whatever else but with lights on, and turn the lights when she is in the crib. WDYT?
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Hi ladies! Was a crazy day yesterday so ran out of time to respond and now have to get going to work but I will try and post a proper reply during my coffee break if I have a chance...or tonight once the kiddos are in bed.
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Hello
I will try and separate the association between me and her going to sleep a bit more. I planned to do this tonight but she was so tired (she had about 1.5hr nap today only) that she fell asleep again on my lap. So I couldn't try a story or anything...
Last night, she woke a couple of times early on because I disturbed her when I went in the room. To be honest, I can't remember if she woke up much during the night after that, but I don't think she did much...I don't know why I can't remember, it's all a blur...However, I remember that she woke at 5am but she went back to sleep until 6.30am. I can't remember if I put her back down with the soother or whether she did it herself...Sorry, I'm not much help today. I must be tired.
Today, I tried to put her down for that 15 minute nap you suggested at around 8.30am as she was tired but after looking like she was settling she got up again and I left her for a while thinking maybe she would settle in the end. But she didn't. When I eventually went up at around 9amish, I noticed she had soiled her nappy...It's so hard to tell whether I should go up sooner or not because once I've gone in, she usually doesn't let me put her down again, that is why I left her for a while as I didn't want to muck it up. Anyway, maybe tomorrow if she's tired again I can try again and hopefully she won't soil her nappy. I think I have found a way of telling if this is happening now because I remember how she was on the monitor. So I can look out for the clues again then.
So, after that failed attempt at a short nap, we put her down at 11am and slept for an hour and a half...Not 2hrs...So, I tried her later in the day for a catnap but nothing happened...So, tonight I put her to bed at 6.30pm again. She will probably wake up for the soother again as she's not got it in as it fell out when she fell asleep on my lap...
How am I doing do we think..? Feels tough...
P.S. She doesn't seem to have suffered with the immunisations at least.
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(((Hugs))) Any way you can catch a nap yourself? I know the broken sleep at night is killer. Sounds like she is able to replug but is just in the habit of you doing it so that is good, for sure I would keep putting it in her hand and having her get it to her mouth.
Personally I would try the first catnap a bit later (3 h A or so) and push the 2nd nap out, that way you may be able to slowly push bedtime out to and end up with a better wake up time (though tbh 6:30 is not too bad ;)). If you don't remember her waking then either she didn't or was easily settled, which is great all around!
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Ok will try pushing am catnap later but I'm ok with her waking anytime between 6 and 6.30 as we need to get going!
Last night she slept without the soother until 2.45am when she woke...Couldn't resettle her. After an hour of being awake the toddler called out several times and disrupted the baby settling so in all she was awake about 1hr and three quarters...I was awake longer, obviously...I'm back to work today for first time since Christmas. ..a bad night was just SOO on the cards wasnt it?! I mean, I couldn't have had a good night before work could I...
I'll update you later. Any clues on what happened with her being awake so long in the night (before the 2yr old started calling out that is)?
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Hello
Well last night she woke at 10.20pm, 12.45am and 5.45am...Each time I think the soother did the trick to get her off again...I tried using the glow in the dark one but I think she needs more practice finding it.
Today, she did a nap of 2hrs 15 mins. She didn't seem OT by 6.30/7pm. So I took her to bed at 7pm, the usual (old) time. She was not asleep in my arms after the bottle so I managed to let her just play with something quietly while sitting on my lap. So that was good. I managed to do that separating me from sleep thing.
See how she goes tonight with glow in the dark...
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Keeping finger crossed!
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SHE SLEPT THROUGH! Well, I don't remember getting up anyway. She stirred but I don't remember having to get up. She woke early at 5.40am but that's probably cause I turned over and disturbed her... I popped the soother back in her hand till 6am. Do you think she slept through cause she napped for 2hrs 15 mins yesterday? She seems really tired this morning early on though...Don't know why since she slept through. ..
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So what was her day yesterday in details? Btw - can you try to log couple of your last days and nights? We will see if there is a pattern:).
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Oh dear...that may be hard with a sleep-deprived memory like mine but I'll try! Will need to do it later though. Thanks.
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Honestly sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to these things! If she is still having trouble finding the soother I would probably get a few more...we keep 10 in DD3's crib as she loves to squeeze them in her hands and invariably in the night a few get tossed out. She has a mesh crib bumper but will stuff them down the sides or over the top! 7 pm - 6 am would be a good stretch here we normally get 8-6:30/7 or so.
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Yesterday:
5 45am wake
6.30am bottle
7.15am breakfast
11am-1.15pm nap
1.45pm late lunch due to nap
3.30pm snack
5.15pm dinner
7pm BT
slept through
I'm sorry I can't remember or figure out from my previous post what the day before was like...
I may try more soothers in the cot but I'm worried they may get rolled under her body and make wake from aches and pains!
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BTW, tonight she wouldn't settle at BT. I can't figure out if this was due to the high winds we're having here tonight or pain or OT...She had only a 2 hr nap today and wouldn't do a catnap either end of the day...
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Today she woke at 5.40am and I strung her out until about 6am. But again, after not settling well first at night before, she only cried once in the night and I didn't get up straightaway and then I think she just settled herself. I don't know if this is because she found her soother (if it wasn't in her mouth), or whether she just settled herself anyway. So, really that was good for her.
She only had a 1 hour 45 mins nap today. So I started BT at 6.30pm again. See how it goes tonight. BTW, she just cried and she's only been down less than an hour tonight, but again, she just stirred a bit then settled. It must have been a cry in her sleep.
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Well last night, apart from waking with a sudden cry at 10 or 11.20pm (can't remember which), she slept through apart from a disturbance of about 3/4 hrs when the 2yr old woke coughing (asthma). She woke for the day at 6.30am.
WDYT?
I was thinking of trying a catnap at about 9.15am for half hrs then try a proper nap at 2ish along with the 2yr old (so I can have a life and go out with them after the catnap this morning? WDYT? Otherwise on days when I look after them both on my own I never get out of the house as they're napping at different times. ..
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I don't think she will be happy to have 2 naps if she is going on one for days already. You may try to switch her whole routine so her one nap is around 2pm. It would probably mean day like 8:30-8:30/9:00? So she has one nap around 2pm and than from around 4pm till 8/9 will be her A till BT.
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Funny you should say that about the 2pm nap cause guess what just happened? She wouldn't do the morning catnap as you suspected. So I had to whip up early lunch which they both had at about 12.25pm. Then I let them play to let that get down. Baby was looking a bit tired by 12 noon but I had no choice but to keep going since she hadn't had her catnap. I wanted to get lunch out of the way so I could give her that afternoon nap instead. So after a bit of play (during which she seemed to be fine and happy enough - had a second wind I suppose), I put her down at 1.30pm. She took a while to settle but went off at 1.45pm ish. The toddler has just gone down now too at 1.50/2pm, hopefully she'll nap as normal...I am hoping the baby does her usual 2 hrs? Is that what I want her to do since she's just gone down for her first afternoon nap ever? Or do I want it to be shorter if she starts napping in the afternoons?
I don't think I like the sound of a late BT...I suppose you may suggest that in this case, cap the afternoon nap? To about 1.5 hours? Let me know what you suggest. As for now, I guess I will just have to see how she goes and play tonight's BT by ear, remembering that she may want a later BT?
Looking forward to hearing back from you during this unsettling set of behaviours from baby!
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Well she slept for 1hrs 3/4. She seemed a bit wobbly and looked tired still when she got up but by 5/6pm seemed to be very happy and back to normal. She was very jolly near BT so I wondered if she'd be too awake for normal 7pm BT but she seemed to show the right signs of tiredness. She didn't give me any trouble putting her down (although bear in mind I put her down a bit later than normal as I had to put the 2year old down first too as my husband isn't in on Sunday nights). Anyway, I will see how she goes tonight...
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Let see how it goes! With 6:30am WU 2pm nap is 7:30h later which is very late in my opinion but maybe short A later will compensate.
However I would be tempted to push her routine for let's say 8am/8-9pm so to have nap after 5,5-6h after WU. If she did fine on yesterday routine I would keep pushing her nap closer to 2pm as you'd like to.
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Hi, well last night was a right off...purely cause I'm in the same room with her...I woke her up at midnight and she was awake for 1.3/4 hrs...I'm shattered. ..
So, let's forget about last night...
BTW 8am start to the day just won't work as we often need to be out by 8.15am...Plus the 2yr old is up around 6.30/7am.
Since last night was so bad I really don't know what to do for the best today. She's so tired less than 3hrs after WU...What would you do? I don't think she'll even make it to 11am...
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She probably was shattered after yesterday Hon, but don't worry - she will get back to her routine. Probably short catnap in the morning could work but I guess it's too late now so just let her sleep on her nap for 2-2,5h and let's hope she will catch up.
So what's the best time for you to start the day? 730 would be an option? I guess that it won't be long until you have a choice - either cap the nap or offer shorter nights. So than you may go for a longer nap and shorter nights so you have a reasonable nap time.
But for now I would aim for the routine:
7:00/7:30 WU (right now she is closer to 5:30 and you get her up at 6am - yes? so we need a 1,5h push)
12:30-2:30 nap (as right now she goes till 11am, with WU push, you can have later nap)
8:00/8:30pm BT
To achieve it, I would push the nap but not by 2-3h as you did yesterday accidentally but let say 20-30min every 3-4 days (you have to judge if she needs more to adjust). When you are on above routine, you may try to push the nap later but till offer 8/8:30pm latest BT and maybe she will accept longer A in the morning and shorter in the evening.
Btw - I am NOT the toddler sleep expert for sure - but with 6:30WU, a nap around 2pm isn't late for a 2yo toddler? Maybe here there is an option for an earlier nap? This might be a totally stupid question, but worth asking:). There is also a board here I guess called "two under two" and for sure there are a lot of mummies with toddlers around so you may start a thread maybe on EASY board and ask how others deal with sleep of baby-toddler combo. I am sure someone can have some good advice!
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With all my kids, as toddler in the 18-30 month range, naptime worked best about 5/5.5 hrs after wake up...so that ended up being around 1:00 give or take 30 min. We dropped my oldest's nap when DD2 was 6 months so I have never had to co-ordinate naps at all.
If wake up needs to be 7/7:30 or so then I would plan the day from that.
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Hi
Thanks for your thoughts both of you. I appreciate your example day for the ideal time for her at the moment, but I think the start to the day needs to be about 6.30am at the moment as she is still having a morning bottle. I also need time to get that done as well as breakfast and get them both dressed and me before we have to leave to get to nursery/work. So, 6.30am is the latest I want her to get up at the moment. Perhaps when I have dropped that morning WU bottle (about the end of January I think), then perhaps I will aim for WU at 7am as that would tie in with the 2 year old waking up about then too. But for now, I need a plan for 6.30am wake up and I really don't favour BT at 8/8.30pm since it is really late and I don't get anytime to finish up things for the day before I too need to go to bed as I'm so sleep deprived!
Is there any way that I can still get a WU at around 6.30am (thinking about moving to 7am at the end of the month), while also giving a 7pm BT?
Thanks for your guidance on posting on the other thread too. I may well do that to get other views from those with 2 under 2.
Just to update you:
Today she woke at 6.30am.
7am - Bottle
7.45am - breakfast
10am - snack
10.30am - nap (she was sooo tired from the bad night)
12.50am - WU from nap
1.15pm - lunch
3.30/4pm - snack
5.15pm - dinner
6.45pm - BT starts
6.50am - bottle
7pm - asleep in my arms unfortunately as sooo tired.
WDYT? Perhaps try that catnap..? Don't know...
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Hello
Well last night she woke wet through so that was another night that was a right-off. She also took about an hour to resettle after I changed her...
So, today went like this:
6.30am - WU
7am - bottle
7.15am - breakfast
10am - snack
11.30am - nap
1.30pm - WU
1.50pm - lunch
3.30 - snack
5.40pm - late dinner (just the way it went...)
7pm - bottle
7.30pm - asleep
She seemed to survive quite well on that 2 hour nap. However, dinner being a bit late as preps were a bit longer than expected and started late, meant that she only had half of her BT bottle...So, I suppose tonight will be ruined by her waking up hungry..? Who knows...
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At this age a smaller bottle should not really affect night sleep. Mine has outright refused bedtime milm and sttn so it is less of an impact. Might be worth sizing up in diapers at night! Personally I have not offered a catnap after we were well onto one nap.
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Hello
I've been seeing how things goes over the last couple of days.
The last two nights she slept through (making the odd cry out and then settling etc. but not needing me to get up and help her). She did wake at 5.45am after the first of these two nights, and at 6am on the dot today. Both nights she had a 7pm start to BT. And her naps on both days 2 hours and the next day 1 and 3/4 hrs, and today it was 2hrs. Is there any pattern do you think to why she managed to do 2 fairly good nights?
Today, I put her down at 7pm again, she was having the bottle by 7.07pm and asleep by 7.30pm. See how she goes.
Also, I stopped her morning WU bottle of milk today...I had been making it less and less each morning until I thought I had better stop it all together because she was getting a bit grumpy straight after because it was finished and she wanted more...She was fine coming straight down to breakfast without any sign of the bottle but it did mean she had a breakfast at 6.45am! Any thoughts on what you think about that?
Would be good to hear your thoughts.
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Hi Hon! Firstly big apologies that I was a bit absent for the last week. Had some issues at home, my mum was in the hospital and DS got some viral infection and his teeth are coming through! Messy and crazy week:).
Regarding your nights, I think that she is getting used to a new routine with one nap. Try to be consistent now and hopefully there will be more nights like that. I would also be very pushy about teaching her to find her dummy by herself so even if she had a bad night, she will be able to self sooth herself.
I don't know if I wrote it before but remember that it's almost not possible for children not to wake at night. It's normal and you also wake many times at night. The challenge is to make them to go back to sleep by themselves without your help. So don't concentrate on how many times she woke at night but take care on those times when she didn't self sooth herself and needed you.
In my house, DS can wake at night because of different reasons but he doesn't need my help to go back to sleep. If he does, I usually know it's discomfort which makes his sleep worse and I am helping him but try to do as little as possible.
Regarding your question on morning feed, I would encourage you to open a new thread as that way you will be able to get more valueable advice, as it was with soother weaning. To my knowledge, many many kids start the day with a bottle/sippy cup with milk and that's not a problem even for older kids (just make sure you changed bottle to sippy cup/beaker). It's also useful for mothers as milk is easy to be prepared:) and first hunger of your child is satisfied quickly:)!
HTH
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Hello. Sorry to hear about your problems at home...I hope things are better now...
Just as I thought, as you say, she was probably getting there but last night went wrong as she got disturbed by the 2 yr old who came down with a cold...Now baby has it too... So today's nap went wrong-she had to go nap early at 9.40am and she only slept an hour. ..she never slept again all day...What a failure things have been...I suppose I'll be up all night with a sick baby or OT baby...Or the 2 year old disturbs her....
How do you think I should handle an OT baby in the morning after a bad night's sleep? An early nap? As you see, my early nap didn't work out as she never napped again today. Is this because she's got used to one nap now? How should I handle it next time?
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Sorry to hear about sick baby Hon. Things are better here so I hope it will also get better for you soon!
Regarding your question, if the night was OT - I would just try to stick to your routine as much as you can. So try putting for a nap close to her usual time, don't let her catchup on night too much as it may backfire at next night. If the whole day went wrong and you have a baby who slept almost nothing I would probably go for very EBT as even if the night will be disturbed, altogether she may catch up.
With an EMW, I would allow nap in the morning but I would cap it at 15min probably and than put her to sleep again later. With an 1h first nap, it's difficult as she may be not interested in any nap until late afternoon when you are not interested in her napping!
Things are probably different with a sick baby as those puppets can sleep more/less more soundly/more unsettled and here I would just go with the flow.
HTH
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Personally after a bad night I push to get the nap as close to normal time as possible by keeping things low key. We usually end up with pillows on the floor and a show on! For sickness it depends how bad it is as to what we might do for naps.
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Thanks both of you. Yes, I get it about going with the flow with sick baby. I'm afraid I couldn't stretch her out this morning for her usual 11/11 30am nap. She really wanted to go to sleep. So, again she went down (straight off!) at 9.40am...Last night she was up twice with the cold...
When she's better, and if she is really tired on a normal day and I put her down early, I'm still terrified of capping the nap at 15 mins...How do you do it? Just go and wake her? Doesn't it feel wrong to wake her after she's only just gone down? Just asking cause I'm going to feel awful when I have to do it! Do you think she'll want to nap still later in the afternoon?
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Hello, well today she napped for 1hrs and 10 mins. Later at about 4pm she seemed tired and I thought she wouldn't survive if I didn't offer a nap so I tried. At first she cried for me about 10 mins after putting her down. I went up and picked her up and settled her mood with a bit of looking out of the window and gentle talk. I was surprised that she then went down. She never normally lets me leave her after I've gone in during a nap attempt. So I thought I needed to do that catnap you've suggested. I woke her after 20 mins. However, she was not happy...She was difficult and crying and grumpy for a good while after I got her up... She perked up during dinner and after. I just get the feeling waking her up was the wrong thing to do. Perhaps it was cause she is ill that she was so unhappy. Maybe she needed the sleep? However, I agree that I wouldn't have wanted her to sleep long at that time of day with a nap already under her belt. What should I have done since she was ill but needed a bit of sleep I just hated waking her up.I wouldn't have minded if she had been happy enough on WU but she wasn't...
Tonight she wasn't too bad to put down. I started earlier-she had bottle at just before 7pm. She fell asleep quite well on her own with soother in cot. But she's still quit full of cold.
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Some kids (and people, lol I am one of them!) just don't like being woken up no matter how long they slept! Tbh I would have just snuggled in the room for the 15/20 and then gently woken up while in my arms...but that was the only way I got a catnap in the end. We have cold & ear infections right now, so our sleep is out the window too!
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Hello. Been gone a while as both girls were ill and then we moved house...
The sleep hads been much better since we moved abd shes in her own room! She's slept through more times here in a week in the new house than she did in a month or so at the old. So much so that she's been settling later for nap in the morning
(11.45am rather than 11.30am). So I started thinking...is she ready to he pushed to afternoon nap? I tried today and failed a bit I think. I gave them both early lunch at 11.45am and drove them straight home from my mum's (the old house) who I'd been visiting this morning. I tried to put her down soon after I got in but she didn't want to settle. Got her up. she started playing then did a poo. was it that poo brewing that stopped her settling I wonder? anyway, I put her down. She protested but stopped crying shortly after and settled. I don't know whether to let her sleep her two hours if that's what she wants to do or cap it a bit. have I mucked up and OT'd her? perhaps I should have tried creeping her nap by 15 mins today instead to midday as she has gone down late, about 2pm...WDYT?
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What did you end up doing? Usually if we get a later nap for whatever reason I would cap it - 3:00 is our absolute cut off unless ill. Awesome that she is sleeping better in her own room!
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I ended up letting her sleep til nearly two hours. Thought I'd better wake her. She may have still slept through last night but she wet through and woke at 12.40am...wouldn't settle till just over an hour later. today the older one woke her up earlier than I think she wanted to get woken as she would have slept on I get the feeling. But today when she seemed tired around 11.40am I resorted to putting her down. she wouldn't settleso I got her up. They had lunch at 12.25pm.she slept by about 1.40pm. currently still asleep. did i get it right today...I'll let you know what happens later and may be you can advise me.does this all look like she's ready for pm naps now? if so is it to do with the better nights sleeps she's getting? P.s Today they are both napping in the afternoon together-hooray! Fingers crossed
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Well she slept till I woke her...which was 4.10pm. I know ...it's late. She slept for about2.5hrs then. I don't know how much longer she could have gone for but I think she wanted a long nap to make up for being awake just over an hour last night during the night and for being up 7hrs A time since WU today. She wasn't interested in napping at 11.30 today. What do you think?
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I would probably shoot for a time more in the middle...say 12/12:30 for a nap if an early lunch works and then on days where she sleeps later work on pushing it forward. I don't think any of mine had a nap starting later than 1 pm really to keep the day balanced. So lovely to get the naps matched up though! Lol my kids never had co-ordinating naps!
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Do you mean early lunch will be around 11.30 then?
She did the same today, wouldn't settle in the morning so did lunch at 12 noon. Asleep by 1.20pm. Slept for nearly 2.5 hours. Both girls napped at the same time. Now they are both ill again so naps may go haywire again. Will be in touch again asap if that's the case.How does that day today sound though to you ? I feel like I got it right?
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Lots of healthy vibes xx. What time was bedtime? Tbh if you can get away with a late nap and she still settles well for bed then I would run with it until you have issues. We sometimes did a split lunch, more like two big snacks, one before nap and one after. But my kids will eat and go to bed right after!
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I think BT was 7pm?
Naps have gone haywire as expected as quite poorly...Will post soon