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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2014, 16:45:10 pm »
..oh and sorry, he's on Ranitadine 3 times a day, 0.3ml. He's 13lbs 5oz.

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2014, 16:49:06 pm »
I totally understand.  Just want you to know that I threw everything out the window with dd2 and she turned out just fine!  He is only 8 weeks, there is plenty of time for routines and schedules and all that :)

Just curious about his meds and dose because waking at 30min can indicate that his reflux isnt under control.  Some reflux meds are very weight dependant, so they need to be adjusted frequently when LOs are tiny.  I will be back when dd2 is down for her nap and I can check the dose!

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2014, 17:39:57 pm »
Definitely get back to the doctor and review his meds.  The dosage chart I am looking at right now is saying a 12lb baby should be getting 1.8-3.6mL split into 2-3doses.  Your little guy is only getting 0.9mL total.

For now just do whatever you have to do to help him sleep, because I really doubt his reflux is under control.   Does he sleep better in his carseat? 

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2014, 19:54:39 pm »
Thank you for checking that for me! I did wonder about the reflux (he has silent reflux if that makes any difference) - but wouldn't he be waking distressed if it was that that was bothering him?? Sometimes he wakes and it takes a while for him to whinge. Yes, he does seem to sleep better in the car seat...but his moses basket is propped up a bit. I have some Gaviscon left over (We stopped using it when we moved to Ranitidine)so should I try him with some Gaviscon too tomorrow to see if that makes any difference? To be honest, during the day sometimes I notice that he seems to bring a bit of milk up in his mouth - he doesn't cry as I guess the Ranitidine has neutralised the acid and it doesn't hurt but it doesn't stop the milk coming up does it and that might be uncomfortable.

 I have emailed my doctor and asked him if I can increase the dose.

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2014, 20:48:26 pm »
I would ask your doc about going back to the gaviscon, I think you will probably have to separate the ranitadine and gaviscon by a certain amount of time?

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2014, 11:48:56 am »
Right, I'm back. He's on the maximum amount of Ranitidine according to my Dr (although she did say she would check with a paed) so she told me to use it alongside Gaviscon which I am. The G does seem to help him but it's just a pain to give it as I BF.

So, the naps - I've tried longer A time, shorter A time - nothing seems to work. The other day when we were in the waiting room at the Drs, he was sat in his car seat and it was nap time. I watched him get really drowsy and drift off to sleep. When he goes to sleep in his cot at home, there's usually a bit of fussing/shouting/crying involved - he doesn't do a continuous cry, just cries out every now and then before going to sleep. Is the problem that he's not relaxed enough before nap time? For a wind down all we do is say goodnight to everyone downstairs, sing a song on the way upstairs, I hold him for a minute or two in the room then put him in the cot wide awake. If I try to hold him too long, he seems to get very wound up. He has on some occasions gone to sleep without a noise but not very often and he hasn't slept any longer. At BT, he has a bath, goes in his sleeping bag, song on the way upstairs, quick flick through a book in the bedroom (about 2 pages as he starts squirming) then he goes in his cot - 9 times out of 10 he doesn't make a peep at bedtime and goes straight to sleep.

Another thing is, when he wakes at 45 minutes, he often seems wide awake. When he is transferred midnap to his car seat for the school run and has a long nap, it's really hard to wake him up and he's like a zombie afterwards - is that just because he's been in deeper sleep?

Look, do I just need to give up on this - be honest! I've seen so many posts from other mums about 30 & 45 min naps. I try to think "Oh well, just let him do what he wants and get on with your day" but I really struggle. As soon as I hear him waking up on the monitor, I feel my stress levels go through the roof. Resettling him doesn't seem to work and to be honest, I find it really hard, esp as I've got DD too. I'm just so worried that doing nothing will result in some sort of problem/habit becoming firmly established. With DD, I went through 6months of 45min naps and HOURS of rocking to sleep every day before I discovered the BW techniques. I swore to myself that thiings would be different with my second baby and was determined to teach him to self soothe, which he can do - I thought that would pre-empt problems like short naps but obviously not. I find it so soul-destroying.

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2014, 17:37:28 pm »
So the dr said 0.3mL 3x per day is the max?

If it isnt the reflux, then yes, sometimes you just have to let the short naps happen and move on with your day.  I remeber dd1 responded really well to top up feed before nap and an increase in A time to get rid of short naps.  But that didnt work so well with dd2...there was a point where she was doing short naps, and needed more A time to help her nap longer, but she couldnt actually handle the longer A times yet.  You may just be in that weird in between phase right now.  That phase will end, I promise!  I found it very difficult as well, I really wanted dd2 to nap well so I could spend time alone with dd1, but it turned out ok...I just packed dd2 up into the car or stroller and all 3 of us went out and did something together.

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2014, 21:13:03 pm »
Yes that is what Dr reckons re dosage but she is going to check. She also said I can give G and R att the same time but thats not right is it as G lessens the effect of R?

I hope youre right and that we are in a weird in between stage. I just find it so hard to deal with but I've got ti get better at coping as I know there will be other challenges to deal with and I can't get this stressed every time. I will carry on and try to let the short naps wash over me asbest I can... I will keep you posted on any progress - or worsening of the situation! Thank you so much for your advice and kind words - they really mean a lot.

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2014, 23:49:05 pm »
I know you cant give regular gaviscon at the same time, but unsure about giving infant gaviscon at the same time as ranitidine.  I would probably push for a referral to a specialist...if the doc is having ro check dosages and things with a ped anyway, might as well skip the middle man and just go see the ped  ;)

It is very hard to not stress about sleep when you follow bw techniques!  But it really did make my life so much easier, and I was able to get dd2 on track with self settling and longer naps around 3.5mo when I did a bit of a mix of shh/pat and pu/pd to sleep train her and wean her paci.  Before that, I tried to get her to settle on her own, but if she couldnt I *tried* not to stress about it.  I say tried because I really am a perfectionist, and caught myself getting to the point where I felt like I wasnt doing a good enough job being a mum, and thats why I couldnt get her to nap longer...I really truly felt like I wasnt good enough, and I had to let that go so that I could enjoy my kids.  Once I let it go, and decided I didnt have to be perfect about it, that she really didnt need to nap longer, that we could make it through the day just fine with shorter naps, then the weight lifted off my shoulders.

Keep me updated hun  :-*

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2014, 09:26:15 am »
Thanks so much Tinkerbell. It's good to hear I'm not the only one who gets obsessive. I do worry a bit that strangely, I'm losing the ability to listen to my instincts. With DD, although I had terrible trouble getting her to sleep and was bouncing/rocking her for the first 6months, she slept through the night from 6 weeks old. I hadn't read any books at all and I hadn't discovered the BW yet - so I don't know how I got her to sleep through the night. I just worry that this time around I'm too busy trying to go by the book rather than work things out for myself - but I feel like I CAN'T work them out myself! One thing I will say about BW, although I didn't discover it until DD was about 4/5months, when I did, I was amazed to find that I was already doing the EASY routine without even knowing it and by that time I had DD on a 4 hour EASY - that's one of the reasons I decided BW was for me, because I was already naturally doing a lot of the things Tracy suggests without knowing it.

BTW, I thought I had a breakthrough yesterday. I mentioned that I worried that maybe my wind down was inadequate. So yesterday, I did the usual things - song on the way upstairs, said goodnight to everyone - but instead of holding him standing up for about a minute in the bedroom, I sat on the bed and sang him a lullaby til he got drowsy. He did fight me and got angry (I'm not sure he likes being held when he's tired) but when he got drowsy, I put him down in his cot. He woke at 45mins BUT he went back to sleep (only for about 15mins though). So I tried the lullaby on the bed thing for the next nap (which was his last nap of the day -usually a tough one). That wasn't so great - he was going mental while I held him and when I put him down, he kept waking every 10mins til I got him up. This morning, I tried the same technique again - however I was worried he was going to start fighting when I was sitting on the bed, so I sang the lullaby for a little while and then put him down. He went off to sleep pretty well, with minimal whinging/shouting. I had to transfer him to the car seat for the school run so I don't know how long he would've slept. Think I might try to keep up the lullaby thing - not sure if I should hold him through the fighting stage or put him down before he gets to that stage....

Anyway, yes, I will definitely keep you posted. Thank you :)

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2014, 11:18:55 am »
Ok, sorry to be a pain but I'm panicking now that I'm making things worse. His nap this morning was about 40mins in the cot then he carried on in the car for almost another hour.

So after that nap, he started getting whingy about 1hr 10/15 so I started to take him up for a nap. I sat on the bed, sang the lullaby briefly and put him in his cot. As soon as his back touched the mattress he started crying. He never does this. I assumed UT so brought him downstairs for 5mins and tried again. Did the lullaby but he was getting irate so calmed him and put in cot. Started getting upset again so I put my hand on his chest which settled him. He started drifting off so I toook my hand off and just sat there. He kept looking at me. He kept drifting off and then pinging awake every few minutes. His breathing was very quick. I just left the room in the end - looked through the door and saw him wake again. He didn't seem to care I wasn't there but he seems to be having a very fitful sleep. Is this OT?? How did he get OT in the space of 5 minutes. God, I want to cry!! Should I abandon the lullaby idea and just do what I used to do - hold him for a minute and put him down in his cot and leave him to shout/whinge a little bit before going to sleep?

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2014, 19:17:14 pm »
Ok,,ok he went down for his other naps as usual. Wow, I'm a big panicky nervous wreck arent I!?

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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2014, 10:52:28 am »
I've posted a lot about DS - we've been battling 45min naps (on the nap board) early morning windy wake ups and other things but I'm afraid I need some more help - sorry for those who are sick of hearing from me!

DS's BT is anywhere between 6.15-7.30 (normally nearer 6.15). I thought I was doing really well to get him to bed at such a respectable time but the timing of his NWs is making me wonder. Not always but the majority of the time, he won't wake until just gone midnight/1am for a full feed. He then goes back to sleep easily. But then he rouses about 4/4.30. Now he's been doing this 4am thing for weeks - even when he was having a NF about 2.45 - and he used to wake with awful wind pain. Sometimes, if he hadn't fed at 2.45/3ish (as he sometimes but not often does) I used to feed him but more and more I wasn't convinced he needed a feed as he was never that interested. So now, he rouses at 4ish, I can shh him back to sleep but he will only sleep about 40mins/another hour tops. I try to shh him back to sleep again but it doesn' work so I just string him out til 6ish, then get him up and feed him.

Very occassionally, he wakes at 22.30 for a feed and then again around 2.30/2.45 but not that often (although you can see below he did this the other night). When this happens, he still rouses at 4am ish. The second EASY routine below is more typical.

So, I'm wondering  a) is he going to bed too early? BEcause if he was going to bed later, that 12am/1am feed would be much later in the morning and then that 4am rousing might shift and that could be when I shhed him back to sleep for a bit and then we could get up for the day at a reasonable hour but I'd have to shift his day massively wouldn't I? and b) if he isn't going to bed too early, how on earth am I ever going to get rid of that 12am/1am feed as it's slap bang in the middle of his night sleep??!

Here's our EASY
WEDS
E 6am
S 7.15 woke at 45mins but went back to sleep for another 10mins
E 9am
S 10.15 not sure how long he slept as was in car
E 12.15
S13.20 slightly early as he didn't sleep long for last nap - slept 1hr 10 in car
E 14.55
S 16.00 - had been up a long time and wasn't sure when to put him down - struggled with this nap, must've been OT and only did about 10/20 mins until 16.45
E 17.15
S 18.10
E 22.30
S 23.10
E 2.30 (1 breast)
S 3am
Woke at 4.30. Shhd back to sleep easily and he slept til 5.10. Tried to shh him again but it didn't work and he started crying hard. Settled him on my chest and then put him in his cot and he laid there playing and sucking his fists. Didn't go back to sleep so fed him at 6.30

THURS
E 6.30am
S 7.50am (half of this nap is APOP as he is transferred to car seat for school run)
E 9.30am
S 11.05 am (this nap was late as when I first put him down he fought. Half of it was APOP due to school run as above)
E 12.30
S 13.50 slept 1hr 10
E 15.20
S 16.30 not sure how long he slept as we were having a carpet fitted and it was very noisy - at least 30mins til 17.20
E 17.45 (this is always a cluster feed after his bath)
S 18.45
E 1.05am
S 1.40am
E 4.05am don't normally feed him but thought I'd give it a try - only took 1 breast
S 4.35
Woke 5.30ish not crying but making unhappy noises. Pooed so changed his nappy and put straight back to bed. Laid there for an hour just being noisy - thought he might go back to sleep but didn't so got him up and fed him
E 6.45

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2014, 11:31:19 am »
Quick update - yesterday, during one nap he woke at 45mins cried a little bit and went back to sleep. Only for about 10mins. He's napping now and again he woke at 45 mins, bit of a cry, enough that I was just about to go and get him but when I got there he was asleep and has been for about another 15mins so far. This is progress, yes??!

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Re: 8 wk old started doing 45min naps -best method?
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2014, 12:42:36 pm »
It is! My dd2 would do this also, cry out every ten minutes and by the time I'd go up to her room, she'd have stopped and gone back to sleep.