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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: Vally on September 20, 2009, 12:27:05 pm
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My LO is 6 months and for the last week has been waking at 5am. He doesn't seemed distressed, just kind of moaning and sometimes babbling, he generally goes back to sleep after 20 mins.
He used to sleep to 6.30am/7am so not sure what is happening. Can anyone advice?
Routine this week
5am wake but back to sleep
6.30am wake and play in cot
E 7am
A
S 9.30 45-1.5 hours (usually 45 mins)
E 11am
A
S This can vary depending on last nap, usually around 1pm for 45 min
E 3pm
A
S cat nap usually at around 4/4.30ish
bath at 6.30pm, bottle then
bed at 7pm
Is this EW at 5am to do with his last cat nap?
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I am have the same exact issue. My DD is the same age and has the same schedule that you have. Take a look at my thread I have going with Jane. 6.5 month n/w She suggested to me that I need to start dropping the catnap. We have only just begun on my issue. She also suggested that I go 2.45 hrs btwn naps.
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Marlows Mum
I have just seen your thread and yes I can see that we are in exactly the same position with similar schedules. I think that I will def try extending his A time to see if I can drop the cat nap to stop this 5am business.
All4finn - I agree - 6 months certainly seems to be full of trials!!!
We are all in the same boat so let's hope we all find some success. I can't help but thinking I will be posting on here trying to work what to do when he is 16 years lol!!!!
You must let me know what works for you both.
Vally - aka Emma
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Make it the four of us . Have the exact same issue!!!
She was waking at four I tried w2s butnow we are waking at five now I have run out of ideas!
Struggling with 45 min naps ! The worst thing us even the first nap of the day is down to 45 mins which is a first in all these months !
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MommytoJashn
I expect there are many of us out there. Yes, 45 minute naps on my list. In fact, I am going to list all my current issues and I bet you have probably experienced these too:
- 45 minute naps resulting in being quite OT all day
- unsure about whether to drop cat nap at end of day or not
- waking at 5am
- stinking cold
- teething
- suddenly hates being undressed, dressed or generally lying down right now
- sometimes refusing solid food
- unable to self settle for naps after previoulsy being able to self sooth really well
- being generally really needy in the day when previously quite content
I am sure there is probably more!!!
XXX
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I started looking for an answer on this thread ... 6.5 month consistant n/w - need help
I read all 6 pages. That mom was told to increase her A time to 2.45 hours. She was able to use W2S to wittle down two of the three NW though.
According to Jane is takes at least 4 nights of W2S before it may start to take effect.
Jane had the mom go in one hour before the usual wake time but I seem to remember Tracy saying to go in about 30 min before the usual wake time. Tracy says
the human sleep cycle is 20min light sleep (starting from the moment the eyes are closed) then 20 min deep sleep and then 20 min of light sleep and so on.
I thought that since the baby is waking then she is in a light sleep stage so therefore we need to go in during the deep sleep cycle which would be about 30 min before.
I am no expert so I suggest looking it up in the book.
Jane also said the EW is the result of needing more A time during the day. She also suggest reading Is my baby ready for more A time (below link)
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64158.msg476652#msg476652
If all of our babies are 6.5 months old then Jane (shes a mod by the way) suggests that we will have to start cutting out the catnap. She also had the mom give her baby 3 hrs of A time by 7months. I hope that helps.
Vally- My LO had a stuffy/runny nose so I give her saline nasal spray about 15 min before bedtime. I let it sit about 1-2 min then suck out whatever I can with the bulb.
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I'm still trying to figure out what to do when baby wakes at 5:30 and poops. She can't sleep like that, but changing the diaper is so stimulating it's almost impossible to get her back to sleep! BTW, same problem at 5 mths, along with many other sleep issues...
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Lisadallen,
I've had that one. Just have to wait it out. Is you LO eating yet? Bananas will cause constipation if too many are eaten. Maybe if you give your LO some bananas once a day for a day or two it might change the poop schedule. Just a thought.
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All4Finn
I am exactly the same with inconsistent A times. The morning nap for us is also usually the best so it is always frustrating when this one is short.
Today I went with the usual 2.5 hours A time and he did 1.5 hour nap which was great. The other 2 naps were 45min but that was ok. Yesterday though I put him down after 2.5 hours and only got 30 mins????????????
I am going to stick to 2.5 for a week and see what happens.
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I'm with you on the inconsistent A times. I have to get my 3 yr old to preschool by 9am so when my LO has varying wake up times in the morning it makes it difficult to get in a good nap. When she was waking at 630am it was perfect; I'd get her home by 915am and she was in bed asleep til 11am. Now she wakes anywhere between 5 and 6 am. Lately, its been between 530 and 6am and she always wakes up quietly so if I'm asleep I don't hear her. I woke at 550am because my 3yr old was crying. I saw my LO on the video monitor that she was wide awake, but quiet, so I have no idea when she woke up. Which means I have no idea when to put her down. I guessed she woke between 530 and 545 so the best time to put her down would have been 815 to 830 but I have to leave to be at the preschool by 9. She is OT when I get home and only slept 45 min. ARRRGH!
She should've taken at nap at 1230pm but refused to go to sleep so I popped her in the car. I went to get my 3 yr old early in an attempt to get my LO home by 1pm so she could take a nap within the 2 hr 45 min window. She pooped while in the car which was the reason she wouldn't take a nap. I got her down but she only slept 30 minutes. WHY!!!!??? Now she is on a blanket on the floor with toys around her and she is just plain grumpy. I've got my last shot at getting her to take a long nap coming up here. I may have to try to hold her thru the transition period during her nap. She doesn't lightly wake up; its always BOOM her eyes open up and she's awake. I just wanted to vent.
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Well my morning is going not great either although thought it was going to start of well.
After waking at 5.30am he went back to sleep after 20 mins of babbling and then woke again at 7.30am. Great I thought and he seemed in a really good mood. So I thought I would aim for 2.5 A time and therefore got him down to nap at 10am. Well he woke after 30 mins, I tried to resettle but he was wide awake and seemed very happy. Well with 20 mins he was so grumpy I couldn't do anything with him ( could be his teeth, not sure?) so gave him some pain meds. He still was just so unhappy and rubbing his eyes so I decided to cradle him and his eyes started to shut so by 11.15am I put him back down for a nap.
What was this about? Do you think he was UT when I put him down at 10am or OT? He did yawn twice at 9.30am but thought should wait until 10am. Do you think I should have put him down at 9.30am when he started yawning although it was only 2 hour A time?
I am finding him really demanding right now as he just won't seem to play for long on his own and just seem to constantly have to hold him. He is not usually like this.
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We are having an unusually good day , but the A time is really wonky , wondering whats happening , This morning she was sleepy at 2 hour mark and was fast asleep by 2 hrs 10 mins . slept for 1.5 hours , then again played for 2 hrs 20 mins and slept for 1.5 hours ,when she was doing 2.30 mins to 2.45 mins usually all these days
she is now playing , and its just about time for the evening nap.
last night was also slightly better, was able to re-settle with only Shh pat , and didnt have to AP her to sleep.
Wondering what the night will bring ! i feel so out of control !
Richa
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how encouraging (yet semi discouraging) to hear we are all in the same boat.
My son too wakes early and then falls back asleep. He too takes a cat nap (can we still call it a cat nap if that's the length of ALL their naps) around 3-4. Since it's not that late, do you still think that's what is causing the early waking? And if so, how do you get rid of a cat nap when they're naps are so short? It seems like we need at least 3 naps a day. Also, do you vary their awake time based of the previous nap? IF he has a short nap I only keep him up for about 2 hours, which throws our whole schedule off. Also, if I'm putting him in bed and it's taking him 10-15 minutes to fall asleep, is he UT? Is everyone shooting for around 2.5 hours A time, I just don't know what to do :(
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I've had a bad morning. She woke at 5am and I fed her and put her back down at 745am. Which is exactly 245 of A time. She still woke after 30 min. UGH. We got up, took the 3 yr old to school, came back and she was tired. Went upstairs and she had some more BF since she didn't eat that much at breakfast. She finished and by that point she had been up for 2 hours. It took me 20 min to get her to sleep. I put her in the crib sleepy but awake and the crying started. She wants to be held. I waited and watched her on the video monitor. She rolled around and tried to get up on all fours. Her cries got panicky so I picked her up but she didn't want that either. She calmed enough to put her back in the crib where she rolled and fusses some more. She didn't want to be held, patted, or anything so I stood there just out of eyesight and waited. After 5 min she got still. She fussed on and off for the next 10 min. I'm going to go back up there and wait for the fist sign of movement and see if I can extend her nap.
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Okinawamana,
What is his bedtime? What if you made his bedtime a bit earlier?
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his bed time is 6:45-7ish. He doesn't usually have trouble going down at night ( 80% of the time goes down without a peep, sometimes I have to shh/pat and very rarely I have to intervene more than that). The time when I have a harder time putting him down is nap, he'll talk to his feet, play with the crib bars and maybe cry out (but very rarely actually cry) and then fall asleep. Also, does an OT baby always wake from a nap and cry? This morning after 2hr 20min awake he woke at 38ish minutes, and was talking babbling, singing....do you think he was OT or UT? Thanks ladies!
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I've heard that an OT baby wakes crying. Maybe he's UT? Maybe our kids are just built to have short naps? God, I hope not. She's had longer naps before. I just don't know what to do.
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Success with W2S last night! She woke at 215 for a BF and went back to sleep by 3am (that is late for her) I went in at 4 am and moved enough that she kinda opened her eyes but then closed them and went back to sleep. She woke me up at 630! I was wrong earlier about W2S for night sleep. You do go in one hour before her usual wake time. Its the naps that you go in during the deep sleep cycle. Anyway, make sure you get them to really move. I picked up my LO and moved her across the crib a bit and kinda adjusted her position.
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If things don't get better for us I am going to try it. 3:30 this morning DH says (I was lucky and heard nothing until 4). DH finally went in at 5 or so and changed diaper, rocked and got him back to sleep. He was up for the day at 7:30.
He was also awake at 10:30 last night...stuck in the corner of the crib banging his head. He wouldn't go back down and was screaming while I was rocking him so DH gave him a bottle and then nothing until 3:30.
Arrrgh...what is going on with 6 months!!!!
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I think our culprits are teething and crawling. A cold or allergies were in the mix but I think that is over with for now. I hope. I also think I wasn't feeding her enough solids during the day.
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Wanted to know why would jashn wake at 2:30? Stuffy nose? Hunger?
How do I know she has had enough solids? Since she is bf I find it really diff to estimate if she has had enough
marlow's mumma : may be next time u could try keeping a pod of pealed broken garlic some where close while the LO is asleep will keep stuffy nose at bay
I know it is stinky but really helps
wendy: you are right when was I ever in control! Lol
Today is my third night doing W2S hoping I will break this 4:30 wake up habbit! wish me luck!
Life right now is really tough hubby is away for a few weeks and I have to manage all the wakings my self plus be back at work every morning am feeling constantly exhausted(apologies for the rant )
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MommytoJashn,
As far as feeding solids, I was told by Jane to give bottle feed then one hour later give solids. I did it backwards last night on purpose to test how it would work out for my LO. This AM I gave her a BF at 730 then solids at 830, then nice wind down and she was asleep by 920am. She just woke up and at 1042am. AWESOME!!
Has Jashn always woken up at 230 am? Was she stuffy when she woke up? I would give my LO saline nasal spray about 5 min before bedtime then suction out whatever mucus was in there.
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No she has not woken regularly at 2:30 the season here is changing and the room gets really cold some where post mid night which gives her a stuffy nose that's my theory
I wanted to know about how to gauge amount of solid and milk that I am giving her is enough?
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I'd give her her normal bottle feed first (6oz) then one hour later give her about 2 tblsps of rice cereal (if she is just starting out eating) For my LO I make about 3-4 tblspns and give her as much as she wants. As a feed her solids, I touch her bottom lip with the spoon. If she opens then I put it in. My LO has been eating solids for about a week now. Today I fed her half a small jar of peas and about 4 tblspns of rice cereal for breakfast and then the same for lunch. My LO bottles are 4 hours apart and her meals are about 4 hours apart too. I finish her solids feed about 30 min before her naptime. I'm sure your LO will give you clues that she is done. She may bat at your hand, turn away, or cry out. Your main concern is her bottle feed since that is where the core of her nutrition comes from. Does that help?
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yay for W2S working. I've toyed around with the idea because we're getting into some habitual wakings right now, but we're getting to go on a vacation next week and I don't want to have to deal with it now, so I think we will when we get back. I never go in and get him during the NW, and I'm not even sure he's fully awake when he cry's out, so I just don't know why he doesn't just stop it already :). Ugh. Today has been a TERRIBLE nap day, two 30 minute naps and he's in his crib fussing/crying just so I can get a decent ammt of time to myself. When does this ever end?
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Well since the W2S worked last night, I had two good naps today!!! Yeah!! It's possible if you try to stop the NW now you may have it taken care of before your vacation. I have to do W2S for the next few nights and hopefully that'll do the trick. Have you posted your schedule yet?
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Maybe I just need to bite the bullet and do it :) He used to be a great night sleeper, and still had horrible naps, but maybe there's hope that one might fix the other. Here's my "schedule" for the past two days.
7:15ish 8oz
8:30 solids
9:35- 10:15ish he wakes up cooing and playing in his crib and overall happy.
10:45 6oz
11:30 solids
12:15- 12:55 ish will sometimes wake crying, try shh/pat and he thinks I'm playing and will have nothing to do with going to sleep
2:30 6oz
3:00-3:40ish sleep
5:30 4oz
6:00 solids
6:30 bath
7:00 bottle and sleep
he then has started habitually waking at 11:30 and 5. Neither time I go to him and he usually falls asleep fairly quickly.
Do you think the night waking are due to OT? When you did W2S did you set an alarm or just try and wake up?
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also, I've played with the first awake time and it just doesn't seem to make a difference. For two days 2hr 20 min A gave me a long nap, but then when used again, it yields a short nap. I've tried longer and shorter and just can't seem to get it right.
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Well last night my LO got great sleep and her naps were 100% better today. I say bite the bullet and try to W2S for at least the next 4 days. It may take longer. I do think you have to get the night wakings under control if you want the naps to improve. It's all connected. I have an extra bedroom next to the baby's room so I set an alarm to go off one hour before. I reluctantly hauled my self out and over to the crib. I picked her up under her arms, raised the upper portion off the crib and dragged her about one foot up and layed her down kinda on her side. She half opened her eyes, readjusted and fell back asleep.
Have you tried 2 hr 45 min from the moment he wakes? If I'm reading your schedule right it seems that he is only getting 2 hrs A time. Go for longer but no more that 2hr 45min. If his first nap is short then his next A time will be about 2hr or 2 hr and 15 min.
We are going away for the weekend in about 2 weeks and I don't want a EW baby that is cranky and doesn't nap well. It'll make me cranky. Go for it! What do you have to lose?
How old is he? How does he fall asleep? Is there a prop of some kind involved?
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Okinawamama, I also noticed your LO doesn't get a nap between 340 and 7pm. That is too long of a stretch. At least try to get another 30 min out of him. It will help.
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he is 6mo 2 weeks. He goes down for naps after a story and song. He is awake and talks himself to sleep. Bed time, we do bath, massage, bottle and bed. He will fall asleep sometimes, but awakens when I burp him and walk to his crib. He lays down completely awake. He's a thumb sucker, we went cold turkey on the paci at 3mo.
I'm still on the fence about W2S. I look forward to hearing more of your story...maybe it will inspire me
I have tried lengthening the first awake time, and it hasn't helped yet, it only makes the rest of the day off. I will try 2hr. 45 min tomorrow, and hope that it works, can't be any worse :) The main reason I try for 9 is because from what I've read from sleep doctors the bodies natural rhythm wants to go back to sleep around 9am and around 1pm. From all my other friends, this is the case. The kids range from 5mo-11mo (approx 6 babies) and all of their children sleep from 9-11ish and 1-3ish, and then down at night at seven. I am the only one that struggles with sleep issues, and they all look at me like I'm crazy when I talk about awake times, OT, UT and such.
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Thanks marlow's mummy all that info really helps, she has been on rice cereals for some time now , she used lunch on them cos i was away at work.
As she does not drink milk from a bottle , and drinks only from a spoon , feeding her milk before lunch is a real issue, have been giving her a rice cereal with high milk content. however, trying to solve this issue , will try the sippy cup with milk now that she is sitting unaided.
Okinanawa mama , last night was my third night on W2S , and i think its going really great ! , the night sleep is great ! she slept from 7:30 to 7:20 this morning without waking up , only at 3:30 i had to stroke her cheek , and lightly turn her over to her side, and she slept through the night !
i would say go for it ! , it is much better to wake up at a pre-set time than be woken up suddenly by a crying baby !
and sleep with the worry , not knowing when the LO will wakeup.
about what your frds are doing and how their kids are napping , well i get to hear the same thing , my neighbour has a kid who is 2 month younger to Jashn , and apparently sleeps the for 3 hours at a stretch in the days 2 times , at night sleeps at 10 and wakes at 5 , i am the only one doing all this stuff about UT and OT and nap times and fussing about bed time , but i trust that all the effort that we are putting will definately pay off in the long term , and am sure we would have given our kids a much better stuctured life.
I agree with Marlows mummy, your LO needs more sleep between 3:40 and 7:00 , even if it is a short , 20 min one , will cut down the NW waking at 11:30 which could be cos of being OT. However , i think it would be good if you try
to extend this nap.
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Ladies...I tried to resurrect the Early Morning Awake thread but it was locked. I think we need a new thread for this new batch of EWakers. I am sure there are so many others out there going through the same!
Well we had 5:30 again. We heard him once at 2:43 (what the??) and then he got himself back down. I heard nothing until 5:29 but can't be sure that is when he actually woke.
W2S is my last resort...don't know why I am so scared of it but I am...I have no idea what time to do it either since his wakings are not completely predictable.
About others and their fabulous sleeping, napping babies. Hrmmph. I am sure that a lot of those have babies that were left to cry it out at one stage or another. It's quite unlikely that all those babies just napped at those times and went to bed and everything ran tickety boo without any hitches. It's possible, but unlikely I would say.
Agree with Richa and others about needing a CN or an earlier bedtime there :-)
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thanks for the advice ladies!
Last night went a little better. He napped (with A LOT of AP) from 4:30-5 and then went down a 7:30. Hopefully he won't require a 40 minute car ride every time he takes that CN. He did sleep through the 11:30 waking, and then since my husband had to be to work by 4:30am I thought I'd do W2S at 4 to prevent a 5ish waking. He stirred, kind of rolled over and went back to sleep. It did work kind of, rather than waking between 5-5:15 he woke at 5:30. Does it just progressively get later and later until it phases out? My husband doesn't have to be to work tomorrow that early, and truth be told, I feel kind of silly telling him about W2S, he thinks all this business is crazy. (as do all of my other friends and family :( For naps when should I go in. He wakes anywhere from 30min -50 min.
We'll see how naps go. He woke for the around 6:40ish, but now is silent again and may have gone back to sleep. When he does that do you think I should let him fall back asleep or wake him. He usually does it as I'm checking my e-mail and getting my first cup of coffee.
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He fell asleep at exactly the 2hr 45 min mark, crossing my fingers and hoping that maybe with a decent night under our belt naps will be better today. I plan on going in around the 30min mark and trying W2S. When you say that it takes 3 days do you mean that even though it may not work at all during the first two days, it might start working on the 3rd day? I've done W2S in the past, with 0% success rate, but only stuck with it through the last nap on the second day. Do you think on the 3rd day things would have started to work out? Off to shower, I have the timer set for 30 minutes, I'll let you know how it goes.
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I'm trying to figure out why some moms are complaining about babies waking early, but falling back to sleep on their own. I wish I had that problem. My DD was 1.5 short of her usual daytime naps yesterday, and she still woke at 12, 2, 4:15-5:30 repeatedly, until my DH swaddled her fully at 5:30 and she slept until 7. She only took a 5 min catnap the evening before.
I can tell you how I extended naps, but I will note here that before I extended naps my DD was waking once a night to eat and that was it. Of course I implemented a DF during the same time I extended naps, and I kind of think that was the real problem that resulted in frequent wakings. Anyway, my DD was taking 5-45 min naps a day. I just followed the book, doing PU/PD daily on the schedule I wanted until the nap time was over, usually about 45 minutes each long nap. My goal wasn't to get her to sleep as much as it was to tell her "this is how long you need to be sleeping." It was about 4 weeks of screaming baby and crying mommy, but it worked for the most part. I still have to be available after she's been asleep for 45 min, because I may have to go pat her if she doesn't sleep through, but she goes back to sleep easily and we're on a good daytime routine now.
Anyway, I'd still like to know why my baby wants to wake from 4:15 on. My nights have totally gone out the window.
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Yesterday my LO ate a nice breakfast, lunch and small dinner solids one hour after each bottle. She had a 30 min CN and woke at 530.
She went to bed at 7pm and slept right thru her usual 2am feed. HMMM. I woke at 4am and in my half asleep state decided to go ahead with the W2S.
I moved her as I did the night before and she woke up! AGH! Historically, if she doesn't wake at 2am for a feed she wakes at 4am.
She might have been already waking up when I came in and moved her. I'm sure she was. Took her 30 min to put herself back to sleep and she woke at 545am.
I'll take it since she didn't eat thru the night. I put her back down at exactly 2 hr 45 min later and she slept from 830 ish to 1030. NICE!
After about 1.5 hours of A time she was rubbing her eyes but I waited the 2 hr 45 min and put her down easily.
It is rainy here so maybe that has something to do with her being sleepy. She slept 1 hr 45 min.
All4Finn-I think we've already started the EW thread. ;) I wonder if aside from teething or crawling that maybe the other reason for our EW is that they are not
getting enough food during the day. I know that Tracy had said in the book if we, or the baby, drops a night feed then they have to get that much more nourisment
during the day. I wonder for my LO if that is the reason that she has EW. I wasn't feeding her enough (in the way of solids) during the day.
Okinawamama- I'm curious how the nap went? If done correctly the W2S for night should end the EW all together.
Try going in one hour before the usual EW time for night sleep. That is what Tracy said in the book. I'm going to do it again tonight. I think my LO maybe dropping a feed too so I have double trouble. I think you can get the nights down then the naps will improve.
It all depends on your baby with the W2S. Jane the mod said that W2S has to be done for at least 4 days.
I've tried W2S with naps with 0% success rate too in the past. My LO had to grow out of it I guess. If her nights are wonky then her naps are wonky too. Don't worry, my husband, friends and family don't understand one single idea of BW.
I'm all alone with this just like you. At least we have this thread!
Lisadallen- Post a schedule so we can see what you have going on. I almost implemented a DF but then I read someone elses post. She had read other posts from Moms that implemented a DF and they started having frequent NW.
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Hi marlowsmom.
Here's a typical day:
Wake at 5:30, PU/PD until 6:30 (she may sleep some in there)
Nap by 8:30 (bc she's exhausted) about 1.5 hrs.
Next nap at 12:30 to 2:15.
Catnap from 4:30-5
She doesn't go to bed until 7:15.
Eat at 12 midnight. Awake at 2 sometimes, 4:15-5:30 always many times.
The past two days my DH has reswaddled (something I've been trying to wean her from) at 5:30 and she's slept until 7. I've put her down at 9:15 and she'll only sleep until 9:45. Yesterday after a short morning nap and a long PM nap, she only took a 5 min cat nap and still woke erratically during the night. Today I couldn't get her to go back to sleep to extend that first nap. DH is out of town for a few days, so I'm wondering what will happen when I take his early morning shift over while he's gone.
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Naps have gone better then normal, we have had two 1hr naps today after 2hr 45min A. The first time I set my timer for 30min and of course he woke and cried out at the 28min mark, but was able to fall back asleep completely on his own. Then at the second nap, slept for an hour all on his own. What does a 1hr nap mean? I plan to go out for a run and put Ambrose in the stroller and hopefully he'll take a quick CN.
Hmmm.....I did go in at the hour prior mark and he seemed to "wake" up for the W2S, but it only bought us 15 minutes. It's so hard because as of right now, he really only cries out (meaning he makes a few sqwacks but not cry) and then falls back asleep. I worry about truly waking him up. He doesn't really seem awake at the 5am EW. He occasionally does the same thing at 11:30, but that one might last a little longer, but it's totally hit or miss. He totally skipped it last night. I have never had to go to him during that one, he always falls back to sleep on his own.
I wish I had advice, I feel like everyone has great advice for me, but I can't reciprocate. Sorry! Just hugs and encouraging words I guess! It's great to have all of you ladies. Thanks a million.
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Is she teething? My LO isn't showing signs except she keeps chewing on a everything. Are you giving pain meds?
Have you tried W2S? Is she eating solids? Is she hungry in the night?
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If he is crying out but not waking up then I wouldn't be too concerned. If he is fully waking up then I'd do W2S. Is he waking happy or crying from a nap? I think his CN helped him skip that 1130 wake up. It seems to me like you've made some progress there. At least you got two one hour naps. That's awesome! I hope the next 24 hours show improvements for you.
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Hi there, sometimes 1 hour is just slightly UT for some LO's...for us anyway. Finn normally does bang on 1.5 hours when he is at the correct A time. 1 hour and I know that he was tired...but probably just bored or not stimulated enough. It seems to be a dilemma at 6 months. They want entertaining far more than before.
It's great that he goes back on his own though...I love it when they do that. Makes you feel like all that shush/patting was worth something :-)
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Thanks for the advice and encouragement. He fell asleep on my run and slept from 4-4:30, but didn't go down for bedtime as easy as he usually does. So today our schedule looked like...
E &A 6:45-9:30
S 9:30-10:35
E & A 10:30 -1:05
S 1:05 - 2:00
E & A 2:00 - 4:00
S 4:00-4:30
E & A 4:30-6:40
windown 6:40 -7:25 normally this would be shorter bath, massage, bottle and sleep in about 25 minutes
hopefully the night goes well. I don't think he is fully awake, I don't go to him because he's not really fully crying so I don't know if he's fully awake or not. We don't have a monitor in the room so he might be squirming around, but I don't hear him. Sometimes the 11:30 one can take him a while to fall back asleep, but I never have to help him. The 5am one is maybe 3 minutes worth of noises, but once again, have never gone in to help him back to sleep, he does it on his own.
We'll see what a decent day of naps brings us tonight. Since 1 hour nap can me slightly undertired, should I extend A time by about 5-10 minutes and see what happens, or just stick with what I've got. We've had great nap days in the past, and then it all goes to pots the next day, so I'm optimistic about tomorrow but not holding my breath :)
Here's to no NW and no EW. Good luck ladies!
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Good luck with tonight. So his first A time was 2 hr 45 min, second A time was 2 hr 5 min, third A time was 2 hour. I think consistancy is key here too so tomorrow try for 2 hr 45 min for the first and second A time. I have a bedtime of 7pm so I put my LO down after minimum 2 hr A time for her CN and she sleeps for 30 min. Maybe you'll get 1.5 hour naps tomorrow. Also, let him sleep and don't try to w2S on the naps. See what happens. Good luck.
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Hey
As I started the post thought I should let you know how I am getting on.
Well the EW at 5am have gone over the past few days and so has been doing 7pm - 7am most days although some 6.30am starts (I won't complain at that though!).
Naps, still fighting with short naps and have tried a number of A times and still get no further. Yesterday he went down at 2.25 hour and we got a 30 min nap. I decided to go for a long walk and got another 45 mins out of him. After reading the BW book again I have decided to get him down the minute I sense he is tired and around 9am. This morning I put him in his cot at first signs and took 10 mins to go off to sleep so A time was about 2.25 again but I am hoping that as he had a good enough wind down and time in his cot this may work. He is asleep at the moment so I will let you know later how this nap went. I am due to go out at 10ish so it would be typical for him to have a long nap now (if he does I shall leave him and be late as I am keen to see if this works) if not I will hope that he can extend his nap in the car!!
Good luck all
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Vally/Em was just thinking wonder how you are doing hehe. OMG 7 - 7! How. Did. You. Do. It.???????????
It's great that he is going off for his naps independently. It just means that all the hard work you put in is paying off. It sounds like you are back on track!
4:57 this morning. Arrrghhh. He was happy as a clam though after having like 11 hours sleep. So what can I do??? It's just that starting the day that early starts a vicious cycle as everything gets pushed back so far. Meh.
We did have a 1 hr 45 min nap yesterday...wooo. Didn't quite know what to do with those extra 15 minutes because I kept thinking...he'll be up any minute lol. So I started the washing up. Very exciting times.
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Last night Marlow went down at 7pm and slept til 1215am. She woke and I gave her some Tylenol for her teeth. She still kept fussing and looking at her bottle and thermos of hot water I keep in her room for middle of the night feeds. Everytime I laid her down she cried so I gave in and made the bottle. She drank 2 oz and started getting sleepy. She went back in the crib and I woke at 4am to stir her. I went back bed and she woke at 6am. I didn't stir her very much so I wonder if I leave her if she'll sleep thru the 5am. I'm going to W2S one more time tonight and then let her fly and see what happens. I also didn't have a chance to feed her a lot of solids yesterday b/c I took my 3 yr old the get th flu shot. It took 3 hours! Everyone is out of the flu shot. Today she is getting 3 solids meals after her bottle. Also, I SWEAR she waved hi and bye bye yesterday. It was clumsy but I'm so sure she did it.
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Vally 7-7... glorious! I'm sure it's been a lot of hardwork getting there!
Marlows mom, a wave! that's awesome.
All4finn now that is an EW! I feel for you, at least your son got the sleep he needed!
Our night was the worst we've had in a while. Not sure what was up. As I was cleaning up for the night I noticed that he had 6oz left over in his formula container ( I make 32oz in one shot and use it all day) so he must have missed a bottle (how in the world do I still make those mistakes this late in the game). I said a prayer that he wouldn't wake because of it. Well at 3:59 he woke up, he fussed, rolled around, cried, played in the crib....I went in at 4:15 and tried to shh/pat, which always used to work. and it didn't. so i went back to bed to see if he'd soothe himself, but then the crying really started. so my husband got up and next thing i knew Ambrose's bed side light was on. ugh! he was changing his diaper, which I don't really think needed changing. After that Ambrose would not let us put him down and he was hysterical. so we fed him, he sucked down 6oz and fell asleep on the bottle, but when put in the crib woke right up. it took and additional 25 minutes of shh/pat to get him to fall asleep. All said and done he was up for an hour and five minutes. Ugh. he's still asleep now, so I think he's making up for some of the lost sleep. We'll see how long he stays asleep. I am SOOOOOO worried that we've created a bad habit. Today I am going to stay on top of the feedings and hope for a better night.
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how long do i let him sleep in? he was up for an hour last night, so i figured he'd go about an hour past his normal awake time, and we're starting to get to that time. I do not want to start the day with an OT baby, but I don't want to throw the day off too much!
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I'm so sorry to hear about your bad night, Okinawamama. I agree, let him sleep. If he needs it then he needs it. I hope (and don't think) it won't throw your day off that much. If you put him down after what your assigned amount of A time then he hopefully will have a long nap. Many wishes for long naps for everyone today!
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Okinawamama don't worry u don't create bad habbits in a day it takes a sustained effort LOL
well I had my worst night as well she kept waking up every hour after one last night! Had gas I guess gave her meds but she just kept crying and finally fellcasleep at four to wake at six forty plus me having a bad allergy session and non stop sneezing didn't help either
she got her six month shots today slept with crocin I hope we will have a better night so that a can also recover quick
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I would also let him sleep. Just work from when he wakes and try the same A time you have been using or you could use the decent night sleep as the opportunity to push it a bit if you think he needs it. When Finn has a good night that's the morning I try to push his A's (when we are in the process of pushing).
Man up at 5 and I make no sense today lol. Hopefully you can understand what I was trying to get at.
Sprinkling a little napping dust around today!!!
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ugh, I think that NW did us in. He could not (was falling asleep on me while putting in laundry) stay awake for 2hr 45min, so he went down at the 2hr 05min mark, and I am now fully expecting a 35 min OT nap. I'll let you know how it goes :)
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Marlow STTN last night! I hope it's a permanent thing and not a one off night. Please!! How's everyone else?
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Well after our 4:32 wake up on Sat morning and 3:12 this morning NW...we are really trying hard to make that CN disappear. I have a post on EASY and getting good advice over there. I really think it's going to help solve our problem. We pushed his morning A as far as we could take it because any nap before 9 a.m. seems to be digging us deeper into the early waking/early bedtime circle. He's a little OT but there is no going back now. He managed to give us just under 1.5 this morning and did 1 hr 45 this afternoon. Now we are aiming for a 6 p.m. bedtime and see what happens in about 3 days time hehe.
Of course something new will crop up by then and who knows where we'll be. But that's the plan and I need a plan to remain sane for Monday morning.
Glad to hear about Marlow...yay! Even one of's are just little gifts from above :-)
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Good luck All4Finn! I'm hoping Marlow STTN wasn't a one off. I'll know tonight. It was nice getting a full night sleep. I woke a couple of times because I was used to waking up for her. I want to sleep in my own bed again. I've been sleeping in our guest room since its right next to the baby and the monitor doesn't disturb my husband. Marlow had a short nap this afternoon. hmmmm.
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Marlow woke last night at 115am and 4am. When she woke at 4 I assumed she was hungry and she was. I didnt feed her enough solids yesterday. We did get a tooth in though! Marlow needs that NF if I don't feed her enough solids during the day. I have learned a lesson.
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It's all about learning isn't it...some days we could do without the steepness of the curve for sure but hey ho :-)
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good morning!
The learning curve to this parenting thing is steep! Hopefully one day, I'll get the hang of it.
Last night we had a great night, 7:15-6:40 without a peep! Naps were off, but I have much more perspective about it and can just roll with it if the nights are good :) Last week we did have 3 good nap days in a row so I know he can do it. Yesterday I think I put him down a little too early maybe.... he went down very easy at around the 2.5 hr mark, but then woke up at 35min just talking and babbling. Even though it was 35 m in, I don't think it was OT. He stayed up 2.5hrs, and slept for about 11 the night before, so I really think it was UT. He starts showing signs around the 2hr mark, but I think it's habit maybe....not sure. I'm going to push to 2hr. 45 min and see what we get. Good luck girls!
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ugh. just ended a 28 minute nap. wonderful! normally I know that would be an OT nap, but he always wakes up happy, talking and playing. I leave him in there for quite a while because a) I need a break and B) he's happy and will play in there for a while. His awake time was 2hrs 50min. Do you think that it was an OT or UT nap? After such a terrible nap, how long would you keep him up for? Normally I do 2hours, but within the last few days I've pushed it to 2hr 2min because he just doesn't seem tired. It's so hard though because once the first nap is shot, the rest of the day is as well :(
In another note, it seems the more sleep he gets at night the less he sleeps during the day. does anyone else find that? I'm a HUGE believe in Dr. Weissbluth and he says good sleep promotes good sleep....what's up with my kid?
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It sounds like he got a lot of sleep. It sounds to me like he was UT. Even if Marlow shows signs of being tired at say 2 hrs I keep her up til 2hr 45 min mark. If Marlow has a short nap then I keep her up for minimum 2hr 15min.
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Same here...now. In the beginning I was sure he was soo tired but now I know he can be pushed a lot more at this age...his cues are a bit unreliable now and I have to change up scenery etc. to get him past that initial bored, tired state. To be honest at this age when we get short naps they seem to be more UT than OT and he saves up all the OT stuff for late afternoon or bedtime lol due to short napping all day. So it's almost crucial to get that morning nap right at this stage...how's that for pressure ladies??
Some kids just need less sleep, no matter what HSHHC says. Punkt. But it is true that sleep begets sleep - when your LO has had good day sleep they typically go down easier at night...and stay down. The EW is just developmental I am starting to think, part of the nap transition and them not realizing that they are growing up and need less sleep during the day.
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thanks ladies. I just went on a walk, with that and coming back to having some wonderful advice from you, I feel much less discouraged! I need to get over my fear of him becoming OT and just push him a little more. I'm sure I was just perpetuating some of the short napping after putting him back down at the 2hr mark. I'm going to watch his cues, and not put him down before the 2.25 mark. We'll see. Ahhh! I feel so much better. Thanks again!
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I agree wendy I aim to always get the first nap right ,
and indeed they need less sleep in the day ad they grow
What ever I do the evening catnap is down to twenty mins!
I have s feelinfg may be just fifteen more days beforeshe growsoutofit!
Okinawamama dont be pressured by Lo bring over tired and out him down earlier will do more harm than good
iguess some time during allthese changeswe forget to goby the LO s ques and just go by the watch this is a behaviour we need to check!
Good luck!
W2s seems to have worked for us no more 4 o clk wakeups!
Richa
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Marlow was the NW queen last night. She woke up 4 times from 7am to 8am. She wasn't hungry but wide awake. It didn't take me long to get her back to sleep. I just gave her pain meds and put her back in the crib. Her last wake was at 445am and I thought for sure that she was up and not going back but she went back to sleep and didn't wake until 8am. Usually, she sleeps til 630am so that was a gift. She got one tooth in about two days ago. I assume shes waking b/c of her teeth. I hope. I think today if all goes well with her naps she may be able to skip the CN. We shall see....
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ugh, what am I doing wrong? Our naps are more off than ever.
Last night was good, I heard my son peep at 4am, 5:15 and then up at 6:45. He wasn't fully awake at those times, just a quick peep and out again. He slept 11.5 hours. So today I kept him awake for 2hrs 50 min, we just ended up with another 35 min nap. He woke from the nap with a quick cry (less than a 2 seconds, and then proceeded to play, babble.... So is he OT? He is 6.5 months to the day:)
Our vacation back home starts tomorrow, I had really hoped to have this all worked out. You know how vacations go, you want to maintain a schedule, but not at the expense of the vacation :)
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Maybe he is UT? Have you tried 3 hours A time? I'm going for it now with Marlow. I know if Marlow wakes crying then she is usually OT. Why don't you post what is going on in a new thread and see if a mod picks it up?
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We had loads of night wakings last night I guess owing to intro of dal in solids which lead to her being hungry and we ended up awake every hour aftermidnight
So todayshe wastired and cranky whole day
wonder will I get any sleep tonight!
Beep some STTNvibes!
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Good vibes to you and your beautiful baby! How long did you wait to put her to bed after feeding her solids?
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We were up from 1:50 - 3:45 last night. Blaaaargh. I am nonsensical today. Going to have a look at all this chaos on here when I have my sanity back lol.
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All4Finn, is that little boy trying to push you over the edge? He was up for almost 2 hours last night? What happened? Teething? Everytime Marlow woke last night she looked wide awake. Now I think she is half asleep and not totally with it even tho she looks like it. I just gave her meds and laid her back down and walked away. She put herself back to sleep within minutes. I'm beginning to think our babies are conspiring against us....
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MM - do you think our LO's have their own forum somewhere and are chatting it up with their peers...like 'hmm I think I am going to arrange a NW tonight at 12:50 and mess with them' - something like that.
I am pretty convinced lol. And yes, my dearest darling son is trying to push me over the edge and at this point I don't have all that far to go.
5:30 wake up this morning *sigh* I hate 6 months. Nothing to see here, move along.
Richa - we are doing solids in the AM or early afternoon. Not even attempting anything before bedtime with NW and EW so precarious. It could be that his tummy is troubled if too close to bed.
Okinawamama - have a great vacation...just enjoy it - try not to stress the routine or OT. Take a break and you can get back on it when you get back. FWIW Finn usually wakes crying like that...it's like his jolt back to reality after being in a deep sleep. He needs time to adjust to being awake so I never go in right away. Then minutes later he is babbling and playing and raspberry-ing and that's when I go in.
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well ladies, I'm packing and getting ready to walk out the door.
Thank you all4Finn for the reminder, sometimes this sleep stuff can consume me, and I'm going to have to make the conscious choice while on vacation to just relax and enjoy.
Have you guys even started to think about daylight savings coming up (agh, wait, do they do that in Canada?). I laid in bed stressing about that last night. I am not wishing this baby stage away, but how much do you look forward to the day when sleep just *happens*!
I also think that Ambrose is possibly getting a tooth. His cheeks are flushed and he's extra drooly. This is our first one, so I'm not exactly sure what the signs are, but maybe there is a reason behind all this silly sleep business.
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Yes the sleep issues must be related to teething. Bring your pain meds and load him up before bedtime. Enjoy your vacation!
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As far as Daylight Savings is concerned, I've been slowing trying to get her to bed at least 15 min later. Its really up to her because of her recent EW and short naps. Every day is a challenge. My goal is to try to have her going to bed by 8pm just by the end of the month so that when the time change happens she is going to bed at 7pm. I'd like to get her as close to 8pm as possible before the end of the month.
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Same here MM. We are trying to push it out but everything hinges on the morning getting longer which means he must sleep past 5 a.m.!!! It's tough.
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I'm here at my parents and loving all the additional help! Last night went ok, not great, but no bad for being in a new place. He slept in a little ( I think due to the so so sleep last night) so maybe I'll try and push bedtime to 10-15 minutes later. Do you find that they still wake at the same time?
Good luck ladies!
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Yeah I find he does hehe. Finn's just between 5 - 6 a.m. without fail. Today he went until 5:50 (mind you had a NW at 2:40) so close to 6 but no cigar.
But all LO's are different and some will happily adjust their wake time.
OMG enjoy the help! That's the best vacation ever hehe.
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Marlow STTN again last night. Yeah!!! Then she short napped me this morning after 3 hr of A time. BOO!!! I went to p/u my 3 yr old andI had it planned that I would be back here in time to put her down after 2.5 hr of A time. The stinking preschool had a "festival" going on and it was running late. Now Marlow has been up for 3.5 hours! I KNOW she is going to short nap me again. I know she will not sleep well tonight. CRAP!
Oki, glad to here your LO is doing better than expected. It is nice to have others that are more than willing to take your LO off your hands for a bit. Regarding your question, Marlow woke at 522am, went back to sleep and woke at 645am which was a bit later than normal. Her wake up time has been between 6 and 630 usually even when I push her bedtime. If I have a day of short naps then I'll be able to push her bedtime to 730pm (I hope).
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Marlow's mumma, Okinawa mumma, wendy, vally how are the nights?
Jashn has been Sttn but day time naps are pretty screwed
but what the heck atleast I get some sleep
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Things here are *maybe* getting better ?
His nights are good. He has started waking early, but resettling until about 6:30-7ish.
Naps are still a off but we get a long nap sprinkled in the with all the short ones, and that is sanity saving :) He had an hour and fifteen minute nap yesterday, and then two 30minute naps. Maybe he's UT for first nap and then gets OT later on. However, after a short nap, I don't keep him up longer than 2hrs, so not sure how he gets OT in such a short ammt of time. Then today, an hour nap this morning, so we'll see what the afternoon has in store.
Your girl is adorable! Did she come out with that much hair?!
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Yaa she was born with a "head full of hair" hehe
was so not expected cos both hubby and me had none when we were born!
Seriously the naps are so off that only the morning naps is 1.5hrs the others are 45 min max!
Hope this changes soon
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Marlow is teething something awful. She's chewing on everything. This is her 2nd tooth and it is visible in the gum line so any day now that sucker will pop through. Her night sleep is awful and so her naps are screwed up too. I did manage to pat her back to sleep after she woke 45 min during her first nap his morning. I got another 30 min out of her. Now we are in the second nap and I'm going to go stand there by her crib in about 20 min and see what happens. I tried to push out the 2nd A time (as suggested) to 3 hrs and she was really tired.
My other issue is that I used to be able to put her in the crib and she would close her eyes but since the teething I started patting her back to get her to sleep and then putting her on my shoulder and patting her so she would close her eyes. Now
she wants me to hold her so she will close her eyes. If I put her in the crib and try to pat she fusses, moves about, cries, and gets upset. As soon as I pick her up she puts her head on my shoulder, thumb in her mouth, and closes her eyes. I lay her down within 15 seconds of picking her up. Frustrating.....
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Marlowsmom: sorry about the teeth :( Ambrose is working on a few I *think*. I can't see any yet, but he sure acts like he's going to get one. I think when things are rough for them, they just need more TLC in every way. Hope that tooth pops through and she's back to her more independent sleeping self :)
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Thanks Oki. Luckily, because she took an 1.5 hr nap this morning, I was rewarded with almost 2 hr nap this afternoon. She woke at 245pm so I got to sneak in a CN that lasted 30 min. So I breathe a little easier with hope that she will sleep better tonight. She is going to stay the night (for the first time) at my MIL this Saturday night so I'm hoping to keep her on a smooth track this week.
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Hey everyone, we got teething still too but no sign of those teeth. Man this is dragggging on. And he is waking at night again. It could be some OT because his naps are still often on the short side but who knows. MIL is here this week from the UK and DH is off for 3 days too so lots of help around. Trying to stick to routine as much as possible but hard because we are going out and doing stuff. Wishing everyone sleep-filled nights and nap-filled days!!!
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I am over this teething crap. Geez, to think my LO has another 30 teeth to get in too. UGH. She slept horrible today. She also decided to wake at 430am and stay awake for an hour. She had no interest in going back to sleep. How are you all doing?
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It's Diwali this week end meaning a lot of crackers through the day poor jashn cudnt go down on her own for naps and bed it's going to be a mega AP week end
hope we are
back to our old self after it!
Richa
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Sorry to hear that Richa. Do you have a white noise machine that you could put in her room? Anything that would drown out the sound of the firecrackers?
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I tried that as well but wondering what can drown the noise of crackers right outside the window.
Marlow's mummy you can't even imagine how noisy it get here on Diwali
Not that I can complain cos I was a part of it till lastyear
I will know better next year
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We get firecrackers twice a year here; at the beginning of the year and on July 4th. Our old neighborhood allowed firecrackers so everyone was setting them off. Our new neighborhood doesn't allow them but we are surrounded by neighborhoods that do. Although, they are not right outside my kids windows. How about a radio that plays static? You could turn it up loud enough. I don't know if she would fall asleep with that in the room though.
The one I have is kind of like this
http://www.amazon.com/HoMedics-SS-4000-Classic-Machine-Projection/dp/B0001W01L0
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We are disastrous here. MIL is visiting from UK and DH is on hols for this week so it's great to have extra hands but we are on some kind of holiday schedule, really bad naps, terrible NW (to the point both DH and I crashed out this afternoon and told MIL we can't do anything today...we are both dead) and teething up a storm. I can *finally* see that whitecap under the left side of the front top. It's taking agggeees to come through and he is not handling it well.
Monday he's 7 months and it's back to BW for us. I have no idea what kind of A time he is at. He's been awake for many hours this week while we are out doing stuff...trying to keep naps intact but still be flexible so we can get out of the house. He has not wanted to nap in the car probably because MIL is in the back seat and he's a Touchy so it's a distraction.
You'll probably see a million posts from me next week about how in the heck to get back on track.
MM agree I am over teething. It's worse than I really thought it was going to be. Mainly because the bottoms were no real sweat but the tops seem to be causing great angst.
Richa sorry about the fireworks...doesn't help matters does it!
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hey ladies,
Sounds like things are crazy...as always!
We are still short napping 85% of the time, and truth be told, today I feel like that's just how it's going to be. If he wakes happy and sleeps consistently through the night, is short napping really a problem? I was reading a post the other day about whether napping is really that important in the grand scheme of things? It's something they do for such a short time in their life, that unless it really affects night sleep, is it really all that important?
Usually our day doesn't seem to have that big of an affect on our night, but today we will be putting that theory to the true test (2 twenty minute naps and then one hour nap). Today we went out to a apple picking festival, and it was fantastic...and you know what, I didn't think about his skipped naps for one second, and it was so freeing!
I know that if I have a million NW's tonight, I will be back here in a heart beat eating my words trying desperately to get things figured out. Maybe I've just kind of hit a "wall" of sorts, I have been fighting short naps consistently for 4 months, and I truthfully feel I'm in the exact same spot I was 4 months ago. Is it possible that some kids are just short, happy nappers?
Vent over.... thanks for listening :)
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I think you all should take a look at the advice given in this thread. It makes a lot of sense. Go down to Peek-a-Boo's response.
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=157710.0;topicseen
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MM, thanks so much for posting this. I feel like maybe that's my son as well. He sleeps between 11-12 hours a night and then will usually take maybe two hours worth of naps a day. We also went through a period of night wakings with him where he would just happily play for an hour at night. Last night was pretty normal,hHe went down around 7:15 and woke at 6:15 and played happily in his crib until 7.
Because we are trying to move his bed time back a little at a time for daylight savings (which is NOT working) he's getting slightly less sleep, which might help our nap situation, we'll see. Like I said, I'm just trying not let it consume me.
My mother and all of my older friends think that all the books have created more tightly wound parents who really are no better off. Sometimes I whole heartedly agree. I have found MANY of the BW concepts great, don't get me wrong, it's just also contributed a ton of stress to my life. I feel sometimes like I've spent his infancy stressing about sleeping problems that he may never have had!
On another note, has anyone else started (if you're planning on it) the slowlly later bed time to get a later awake time? We've done it for about a week and moved the bed time back from 7ish to 7:15, and so far we've had two days of 7:00 or later wake ups, but not super successful yet. I plan to start the 7:30 bedtime this week. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Oki have you dropped your CN yet? I've got a thread I've been on ( http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=155917.75 read page 7 only) and I recently had another Mod come in and tell me I REALLY have to drop my CN. She also thinks my EW (530am) is due to the CN and me pushing her bedtime. I wonder if me not dropping the CN + pushing her bedtime + her getting the right amount of sleep in a 24 hour period is her issue. Oh and teething of course. Can't forget the teething!!!
Listen Oki, IKWYM about stressing over sleep. Yes, BW has brought more stress into my life b/c I think about her sleep every day. I stay at home a lot to keep her on schedule but I also know it will only be about a year and a half. My first DD didn't do BW and as a result (or so I think) she could not put herself to sleep easily and she was a pacifier baby. In fact, up until this last month she would lay in bed for up to 2 hours and play in bed. We finally got through to her to just close your eyes, keep them closed and think happy thoughts to fall asleep. Up until April of this year, I used to put her to bed with a bunch of pacifiers. So yes I do think it is a lot of stress right now but I also think it will pay off as she ages.
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I am in the exact place you are! I too have to do the cat nap it seems. Today he had a nap from 9-9:30, then a long nap from 11:15-1:15 (woke part way, but resettled after 10min), but wasn't tired until 4:20, and even the it was an AP nap in the stroller. I'll be watching the thread in hopes that they have a good suggestion.
I know I have made some great habits with my little guy, and feel truly blessed to have found the BW, I just wish that I could find a happy medium between having the knowledge and obsessing over it!
I too am doing the delayed bedtime in hopes that when daylight savings hits we'll be somewhat on track, but it's not working. He is waking earlier, which I was prepared for, but I thought it would get better!
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oh sound like a lot us have the same problem. i'll be back to read all the great advice on this topic.. for now gotta run. DD is awake ;)
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I agree marlow's mummy some times the stress really gets to u.
Hope this really pays in the long term