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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: babyboy26 on October 08, 2009, 17:56:48 pm
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Hello all! I have posted on the 2-1 threads, but don't want to hog them. I am hoping for some help for my little Mikey and this crazy 2-1 transition!!! I believe he started the transition when he was around 10.5-11mos, as that's when things seemed to get really wonky. We haven't had much consistency since then. Things will get consistent for a week or two, then it gets wacky again. He is a textbook baby for the most part.
Last time we were doing pretty well, he was on about a 4hr A in the am. We were getting some 2hr naps, and then a 20 or 30m pm nap. He was sleeping 11-11.5hrs at night with no NWs. We had an illness, then some teething, so I am trying to get back into some sort of a normal routine, but am having trouble!!!
Here is what the past few days have been like:
Monday
6:30 wake
10:00-11:15 nap 1
2:30-3:55 nap 2 (we do not usually have this kind of pm nap, but with the shorter am nap, it worked out this way)
7:45-7:50 bed (He was up from 5:55-6:55 chatting and then went back to sleep until 7:50)
Tuesday
7:50 wake
11:20-12:30 nap 1
4:00-4:45 nap 2 (I woke him)
7:45-7:45 bed (He was up from 3:20-3:45 chatting, then again from 5:30-6:15 chatting, back to sleep until 7:45)
Wednesday
7:45 wake
12:05-1:15 nap 1 (we were out and got stuck in some traffic with construction...I did not really intend for A to jump up this much, and think I got an OT nap as he woke really crying and was grumpy for his A
4:00-4:50 nap 2
8:10-6:55 bed (I put him down later for bed thinking that my happy, chatty NWs on Mon & Tue were due to UT for bedtime. He only had 1 NW, around 1 with just a few minutes of chatting. This was only a 10hr45m night) He did wake very happy, though, and was in a great mood all morning.
Thursday (today...so far)
6:55 wake
10:55-12:15 nap 1 (heard him squirm and sigh at 40m, moving to the next cycle, I think. Woke happy and chatting and played in crib for 20m before I went in to get him. I'm thinking this was an UT nap???
So, now I don't know how long of a cn to give, and what bedtime should be. I'm trying to get on track here, but it has been very difficult. Should I give a 40m cn? Or less? What about bedtime? Should I push the A to 4hr10m tomorrow and see what happens? Yesterday he had an accidental 4hr20m A, but an OT nap. Confused mommy!!!
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Wow, things are a bit crazy, aren't they!
I think the first problem is you're trying to give a napping schedule for a 10 month old -- in other words, you're expecting naps to be 1.5-2 hours long. Actually at this age Nap #1 should be no more than an hour and nap #2 no more than 1.5 hours. For instance, you said on Thursday that he had an "UT" nap because it was 1h20. That's an awesome 1st nap of the day! Like I said 1 hour max is what we expect!
Typically what we advise is to slowly shorten that AM nap while you move it later, keeping PM nap long and around the same time every day. Then, when AM nap move to around 11:30 we suggest jumping to 1 nap at 11:45 or 12.
In your case it looks like your best night happened on a day you got a 1h15 AM nap and a 1h25 PM nap. On the other days your PM nap was the shortest, which I think is what is leading to your NWs: He's OT at bedtime. So, let's limit that AM nap to 1 hour max and then let him sleep as long as he wants in the PM.
Your wakings are all over the place. First I think I might suggest making 7 am your wake up time so that your naps have a more consistent timing. With a 7 am waking I think I'd go with a 10:30 AM nap (1 hour max). Waking at 11:30, I wouldn't give him nap #2 until 3, hopefully waking at 4:30. Then bedtime at 8 pm.
How does that sound?
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Thank you for your reply! Hmmmm... I am not expecting both naps to be long, just one. We have been working on the 2-1, but back-tracked a bit. I was actually aiming for a long am/short pm nap. It just works better for activities that way. And yes, my wakings are all over the place! I didn't think the day I had the long pm nap was the best night...as he was up for one hour from 5:55-6:55 chatting, then back to sleep. I was thinking that this NW was due to UT, since he had 2hr40m of day sleep, and long nap later than usual. He does not typically take a long pm nap.
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the long AM nap usually backfires in the long run, as you're finding. It's better for them to get most of their sleep late in the day. It's how you avoid both NWs and EWs.
When I look at the routines you posted only one day has a nap longer than 50 minutes in the PM, and that was the day he slept thru the night, and just chatted at around 5/6 AM but went back to sleep. That's a good night in my book! So I think that long PM nap helped you on that day.
UT at bedtime doesn't normally result in NWs. Usually what you'll get is a kid who won't go to sleep and protests going to bed. If they fall asleep at bedtime within a normal amt of time then they're not UT.
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Oh, I see...what you're saying makes sense, but how do I do this when we have days that we have to be out in the am? Hard to get home and keep a 3.5 A in the am.
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Sorry to say but long NW with Chatting are definitely UT night wakings here. I've helped out a ton of moms also by letting them know that that is the case for us.
With 2h40m of day time sleep for a 14 month old and a last A time of 3 hours, I don't see how he could possibly be OT at bedtime.
I agree that the majority of NW are usually do to OT, but I just don't see how that could be the case here.
I think your LO is very close to making the switch and that's getting too much daytime sleep sometimes with not enough A time before bed. Sometimes when they nap super late in the day and they aren't used to it the later bedtime doesn't always work. I found that my LO had his best nights if he was up from napping by 4.
What is the max amount of A time your LO will do now?
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I'm not sure, sherry lynn. We have just gotten back up to 4hrs in the am.
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Then that is probably where he's at. And that's ok.
But Becky is right about the nap. You just might not be able to get a 1.5 hour nap at this age with 4 hours A time. 1h20m is a good nap when they are still on 2 naps.
Sorry if I came off strong on my other post. I didn't mean to. I would just be really surprised if he was OT with this routine. Now when they reject one of the naps that's a whole different story. By reading the 2-1 sticky I just really think that sometimes EW and NW are par for the course when they are in the middle of the 2-1 nonsense.
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Kara - I did the final stages of the 2-1 using a long am/ short pm - as I had no choice as he was refusing the pm nap regardless of the length of the A.
What I will say is that we DID suffer a lot of EWs and NWs through the transition. If we got a pm nap he was UT at bedtime, if we didn't he was OT. I personally think that the short am is the best way if your lo will cooperate but if they won't it can work the other way, but it will be very messy. Unless my experience is skewed by J's spirited nature ::) :P.
I had a good month of pure chaos, followed by 3 weeks of holding my nerve on 1 nap, and hoping he would adjust.
I think getting a pm catnap relies on your los willingness to be AP'd down after a too short A to give a sensible A to bedtime. But J would not be AP'd ::).
It has worked though, and we are now settling nicely.
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Thanks, girls! I tried the short am/long pm nap before, and I never could get a good, consistent pm nap. Since I could almost always count on my am nap being 1 hr +, I decided to stick with that. We have just gotten ourselves into a mess after an illness and teething, so I'm hoping it will settle in a few days. With a 1hr20m am nap, he doesn't usually refuse the pm nap. I did have some pm nap refusal some days about a month ago when he was taking a 2hr am nap. I think I'll stick with the 4hr A for another 2 days and see what happens. I then might try to push that A up a bit.
Today has been crazy, because my dog went psycho when a package was delivered, and woke Mikey up after only 35m of his am nap. I tried to resettle him, but, as usual, when he sees me, he thinks nap time is over! So, I had to put him down really early for the pm nap...2:00. It is now 3:05, and he's still sleeping (thank goodness!!!) I'm hoping he'll sleep until at least 3:30 or 4:00...I know, wishful thinking!!! As for bedtime, I don't know what to do because he usually does not have a long pm nap.
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I think we are just differing on the definition of "UT". Yes, too much daytime sleep can DEFINITELY result in NWs -- and long awake NWs at that! But that isn't what I call undertired. That's what I call too much daytime sleep. I don't know if that's the issue here. When I look at the routines she's listed, her best day happened with lots of daytime sleep and with the most happening in the PM.
I call UT when a child isn't tired enough at naptime/bedtime to fall asleep because not enough A. That causes them to wake earlier than normal. It might make a child wake an hour or two after going to bed, but it doesn't generally cause them to wake several times in the night.
And absolutely some kids do better with longer AM and shorter PM during the transition. Those are the rarity tho -- maybe 25%? And again from the routines she's posted I don't think that is this kid. Again, the best sleep looks like it happened on the one day he had a longer PM nap.
If it were me, I'd aim to have a longer PM nap for 3 days in a row and see how that affects the nighttime sleep! I'd also try to keep total daytime sleep at 2.5 hours to hopefully prevent NWs that result from too much daytime sleep. If that doesn't work, then you can try the opposite! But it seems to me that's what you've been doing -- long AMs/short PMs -- and it's not working.
As for being out and about, it's really tough during the transition and you might have to change your routine for a few weeks or a month. But my guess is you are super close to 1 nap land. In fact, you had one day where LO didn't nap until after noon and took over an hour long nap! That tells me you are probably about a month away max from being able to jump to 1 nap! So just remind yourself that any outings you have to skip is just temporary -- things will all go back to normal before thanksgiving.
Just my 2 cents! ;D
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Ugghhhh....I just typed a loooonnng post and lost it!
Well, I guess the only way to figure all of this out is to keep trying different things and see what works! It is all a learning process, isn't it?
I am so, soooo glad that you all think I am close to one nap...I hope you're right!!! As for yesterday, he did take a long pm nap, and we got an EW...here's what it looked like:
6:45 wake
10:45-11:20 nap 1 (crazy dog woke him barking like a maniac right next to his room)
2:00-4:00 nap 2 (he woke briefly at 3:15, whined for about 2m, and then back to sleep. I woke him at 4)
7:55-6:20 bed (I put him down at 7:30, and he took until 7:55 to settle...not crying or whining, just babbling away...this was UT, I'm sure! No NWs, but we only had a 10hr25m night :(,. I assume this EW is also due to UT???)
So, he actually had the long pm nap yesterday again...kind of accidentally. I think it was too long, though...maybe I should have only let him sleep 1hr30m or 1hr45m instead. Like I said...a learning process!!!
Now today, I kept with the 4hrA this am...was this right to do? I should keep the same A regardless of the wakeup time...right?
Becky---I will follow your advice on no more than 2.5hrs daytime sleep for sure!
Liz---when you were going through this, did you have short nights? Did you keep the morning A the same regardless?
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I'm hesitating to post any advice on this, as I think we are just starting down this path and I don't have the world's best sleeper, but I have had 3 nights in a row where my 14 month old has slept for 12 hours (for the first time in her entire life!), so I thought I would mention that it has coincided with her only having 2 hours' naps during the day - we have previously been on 30 mins AM and 2h+ PM (and nights have been a fairly standard 10.5-11hours). Maybe worth thinking about keeping daytime sleep to even less than 2.5 hours? Our good nights have come from 20-25 mins AM and 1h30-45 PM.
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Uh oh! I haven't been posting due to a family emergency. We had to leave M with a family member yesterday, and he did not nap all day! He fell asleep for 35m in the car on the way home from 4:45 to 5:15. He then took ages to settle for bed...played in crib until 7:55, I assume because he had that nap so late. He woke at 6:15 this am. I am sure that he is OT due to all of this, so my question is....how do I fix it to get back on track? Do I keep his morning A at 4hrs, or do I shorten it to prevent further OT?
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I'm not sure if this is too late, but if you are going to do 2 naps today I would put him down for the first short nap as soon as he seems willing to go down. It will probably be a little earlier than 4 hours. Just watch him like a hawk after about 3 hours A time. I would guess he might be willing to go down after about 3.5.
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He actually managed fine with his A this morning, surprisingly! He had 3hr50m and took a 1hr15m nap from 10:05-11:20. He went down for the pm nap at 2:55, so we'll see what happens! I'm hoping he'll sleep until 4, then a 7:30 bedtime.
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Sounds good :)`
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Well, it sounded good, and yesterday seemed like a good day nap-wise...
10:05-11:20 nap 1
2:55-4:10 nap 2
He was asleep by 7:50, after playing for 15m in crib, but woke at 5:55, back to sleep I think from 6:10-6:20, but then was up for sure. He is teething, I'm pretty sure. Yesterday evening, there was lots of biting and mouth pulling. I gave meds prior to bedtime.
So, I guess I need to reduce As to accommodate teething and put the 2-1 on hold for a while? Do you think I should give meds in the middle of the night?
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If you know he is teething I would def. give meds in the middle of the night if he wakes. Or some moms do it right before they (as in you) go to bed.
Yes, when he's teething don't push it. Teething messes everything up. Just try to watch him and judge when you think he wants to/needs to go down. He really did well for his naps though regarding teething. What a good boy.
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Yes, he did do well on his naps...it's our nights that we're having some trouble with now...if it's not one thing, it's another! This am I had a dr. appt at 10:15, and my sitter cancelled. I put him down praying I could get a catnap in before we left, and he actually slept from 8:45-9:15 when I had to wake him to get ready to leave. I'm sure that was only due to his short night. I just put him down after lunch, it's 12:30. Hoping for a decent nap and then an early bedtime.
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I did have in the back of my mind that that might have been too much daytime sleep for him yesterday.
With the short am nap today hopefully you will get/did get at least a 1.5 pm nap and then a good A time before bed and then a good night.
Fingers crossed for you :)
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Well...here's how yesterday ended up...even with teething!!! He took that 30m catnap in the am, and then only a 1hr15m nap from 12:50-2:05. So that was 1hr45m daytime sleep. Put him down at 7:10, and he was out by 7:20. He slept until 6:40...the longest night we've had in about 2 weeks...yippee!!! No NWs! He did squirm around a bit and let out a short moan at 5:55, but was back to sleep quickly. So, I think he might be trying to tell me something...he was getting too much day sleep, or he needs a much longer A before bed than I was giving him...or both!!! I was actually looking back at my notes, and at 12mos, he was getting a 4hr A before bed. I definitely back-tracked on that. I think that 30-45m catnaps in the pm take away from his nights, and that a long pm nap that goes until 4 also takes away from his nights. I am thinking that he is very close to moving to one nap!
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I would agree :)
I think I read somewhere that 75% of little ones are on one nap by 15 months. Some baby e-mail update or something that I get.
I think a lot of moms have found that their LO did best on only 2 hours of day sleep when they are on two naps. So that def. might be the case for your LO.
YEY to the good night :)
So what do you think your plan will be?
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Well, since he refused the pm nap after a 1hr15m am nap yesterday, and is currently refusing his pm nap after I cut the am nap to 1hr today, I think I will try for a 45m am nap and see if that helps. My best day in probably the past month was Wednesday, with a 30m am nap and a 1hr15m pm nap, that gave us an 11hr20m night. So, tomorrow I will try a 45m am nap...how long do you think the A should be following that nap? Today I tried for 3hrA after a 1hr am nap, but he played for 30m, and now he's whining!
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Most people find about 3 hours to be right after a 45 min nap. Our perfect A time ended up being 3h10m, but he was a little younger than your guy at that point. I would guess at his age that after a few days you might even need to bring it down to a 30 min morning nap.
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Thanks! A couple more questions...
Do you think I should make the short am nap at the same time every day, regardless of wake-up time? This way I wake him at the same time and the pm nap is the same time every day.
Or, should I go with a certain amount of A from the time he wakes?
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Most of the moms one the Birth club at this age did the same exact time every day. So I would def. try that and see how it goes. I think it could go well because you are only trying for a small nap anyways. The most important thing is just that he takes that nap.
I would try 45min for 3 days. But then don't be surprised if you have to drop it down to 30 min.
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Got it! I don't think I'll have a problem getting him to take the am nap, the pm nap is the one that I've always had trouble with. He is a grump for a bit after I wake him up, though! With a 30m am nap, should the A be about 3hrs? So something like this:
10:30-11 nap 1
2-3:30 nap 2
7:30 bedtime
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Yep! Some LO do less A time after, but that is the norm.
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Aggghhh! We are finally back online after having some trouble with wiring! Mikey seemed to be doing pretty well on the 45m am nap and longer pm nap last week. I've been putting him down at 10:30, waking him at 11:15, and then he's down for the pm nap at 2:15, sleeping until about 3:45. He's been managing a 4hr A before bedtime, with bedtime being at 7:45. Wake-up times vary a little, from 6:45-7:15.
Now...yesterday he woke at 7:15 (a great 11.5 hr night!) I put him down at 10:20, as he usually takes about 10m to babble and then goes to sleep. He played until 11:05, so I woke him at 11:50. He was then asleep for the pm nap at 2:45, and I woke him at 4:00. Went to sleep at 7:45, and slept until 7:05 this am.
Today, with the 7:05 wake-up, I put him down at 10:30, but he didn't fall asleep until 10:55. Woke him at 11:40.
So, I'm thinking that when he has a night longer than 11 hrs, he's not ready for that am nap until a bit later. Does this mean he's getting closer to being able to switch to 1 nap? What do I do now?
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Wow!! What wonderful news.
It depends on how you want to play it really. If you want things to be a little more stable and don't want to push your days out too much then you can put him down at the same time but wake him up at about 11:15 regardless of how long he sleeps. That's how a lot of moms do it. That way they day doesn't just keep getting more and more pushed out.
Just be careful to keep a good eye on him and his next A time because the shorter the nap the shorter the next A time.
Does that make sense?
It seems like you've been doing well though, and you could keep things like they are for a little while. If you want to put him down 10 min later or so that's fine too :)
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I think I understand. I'm going to try and stick with what we've been doing for a little while longer and see what happens. I don't want to push too much too fast, as he really seems to like and need his am nap. I might put him down 10 or so min later in the am if he has had an 11.5 hr night. If he keeps taking ages to settle in the am, then I might shorten that nap to 30m instead of 45m, that way we are closer to having the pm nap at around the same time, and not pushing the day back too much. What do you think?
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That's what I would do :) Keep things as they are for a few days and see how they play out. So happy to hear success though :)
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Yes, I am happy about the success too. I was so hesitant to do the short am/long pm, as I tried it in the past and it did not work out well. What I really like about it most is that there's almost no guess work as far as As are concerned. Pretty much the same time every day for am nap, and since I wake him from that, pretty much the same time for pm nap. Makes it easier to plan things, and it is less stressful because I'm not counting hours and minutes so much anymore.
I do think it might be getting sticky, though, as he seems to be taking longer to fall asleep for the am and pm nap. Here's what happened yesterday:
7:05 wake
10:55-11:40 nap 1 (45m I woke him)
3:05-4:15 nap 2 (1hr10m I woke him)
7:45-6:35 bed
For both naps, he played for 25m before falling asleep. This was the first night I got less than 11hrs in almost a week. I think it was because I let that pm nap go too late, which I did because he fell asleep later.
Today, he did take his nap from 10:35-11:20 (I woke). This was after putting him down at 10:20, so he still took 15m to go to sleep. I put him down for the pm nap at 2:15, and it is now 2:37 and he's still babbling, although getting a bit more quiet with it.
So, I'm thinking he may be telling me that he needs a little more than 3hr A after a 45m am nap. Problem is that I can't push the pm nap back too far, or it gets too late and then affects bedtime. I'm wondering if it is a good time for me to try and shorten the am nap to 30m, and then do a 3hr A following that. What do you think?
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We do a 30 min am nap here, and it works really well for us. One thing I learned with dd1 and and applying to dd2 is that there is a "must-wake-by" time - so I absolutely can't let them sleep past a certain time (regardless of how long they have slept for) if I want them to go to bed. For dd1 it is 2.30 (she is nearly 3) and for dd2 (14 months) it is 3.
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Kara - I agree with clazzat here. And with what you said in your post. I'm sure the shorter night was do to the nap going later. So give the 30 min nap a try and see how it goes. At 14.5 months I'm not surprised at all that he needs more than 3 hours A time for that 45 min nap. Even at 12 months my LO needed 3h15ish.
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Thanks, clazzat and sherry lynn! He didn't fall asleep until 2:50 yesterday, and I woke him at 4:00. He was asleep at 7:45, but woke at 6 this am :(
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:( Hope you have a better day today.
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We are still having EWs...and with the time change, things are messy! Am doing the 30m am nap today, followed by 3 hr A...hope it works!
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Good luck. Things are messy ATM here too with the time change. I hope it only takes a couple of days to get back on track. If you are having EW then that's really a sign to either push out the morning A time (or) cut the morning nap. I hope that 30 min morning nap works for you.
Usually it only takes a couple of days to get back on track after DLS, hopefully that will be the case for both of us :)
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I have had problems with EWs for ages (various reasons, mostly teeth) and I found that I couldn't really cut the am nap as she was too tired, but I could shave a bit off the lunchtime nap and now she is sleeping longer at night. Now I limit the total day sleep to 2h (ish) which is generally 15-30 mins in the morning and 1h30-45 at lunchtime (normally 1h45 having been 2h+). We have had a week of 11.5h nights, which is practically unheard of!
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Wow, clazzat! That sounds great! Here's what happened yesterday:
6:20 wake
10:30-11:00 nap 1 (I woke)
2:05-3:40 nap 2 (I woke)
7:45-6:25 bed
The good news is that he is not fighting naps or bedtime, and settling within 5-10m for all. I am thinking that it's possible that he needs more A before bed. He would happily play longer if we let him. I think this must be where it gets pretty tricky. I don't think he would go to sleep much earlier for the pm nap. Should I just keep this the same for a few more days and see what happens?
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Yep. I would keep it like that for a few more days. Even longer if he doesn't fight bedtime. If he starts fighting bedtime I would cut the second nap instead of making bedtime later because he's already going down at 7:45. Maybe even just cutting that extra five minutes or so would help. Then if that doesn't work then maybe bedtime at 8.
I'm so happy they day went well for you.
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Ok...so here's what happened yesterday and today:
Yesterday:
6:25 wake
10:30-11:00 nap 1 (I woke)
2:15-3:30 nap 2 (woke on his own...I think he was actually asleep at 1:55, as there was silence until 2:05, then a few coughs, then he chatted for 10m)
7:40-6:20 bed
Today:
6:25 wake
10:35-11:05 nap 1 (I woke)
1:55-3:25 nap 2 (he actually woke at 3:10 crying...whined until 3:15, then back to sleep until 3:25, woke whining again)
Do you think he needs a bit of a shorter A between naps since he's getting only a 30m am nap???
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Yeah, go for 5-10 min earlier. Some need as little as 2.5. But you don't want him to take an UT nap either. So just work on it slowly.
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Ok...it is getting really messy around here! Same plan...30m am nap at 10:30, longer pm nap around 2ish. EWs are getting worse! We actually had 2 days last week with a 7:00 wake-up, then the past 4 days have been 6:10, 6:00, 6:10, 6:05. This is with a bedtime between 7:30-7:45.
What can I do????? The pm nap has only been 1hr10m/1hr15m the past 3 days. So, this means he has only been getting 1hr45m max day sleep, and nights have been 10.5 or less.
He is about 15.5 months now, if that changes anything.
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He honestly might be ready to go to one nap.
The EW are a good sign of that.
When he wakes from the PM nap does he cope well?
What do you think about shooting for one nap?
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He does cope very well. Yesterday he was up at 3:15, and was happily playing until 7:30, when I took him for wind down. I am all for moving to one nap...just not sure how to do it. Do I just pick a time and go with it?
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Well that's a good sign. That probably means that the PM nap isn't OT.
If you are worried about OT with jumping to one nap then you could try a 20 min morning nap, then 2 hours A time. And see if he'll do at least a 1.5 hour nap and stop EW?
At first a lot of moms seem to have good luck with 5 hours of A time.
If you are worried about OT that you could just gradually up the A time. About 15 min every 3 days. This is very very successful for a lot of moms.
And then if he doesn't take a nice long nap you could try to squeeze in a very small catnap in the PM, just to get to bedtime. Again here it could be a matter of just a 20 min nap or so to make it to bedtime. The car works good for this one :)
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Hmmm...I think I might have to try the 20m, then 2hr A and see if that helps. I don't think he can manage a 5hr A on a 6am wakeup and get a good enough nap to make it to bedtime. What do I do about bedtime...should I make it earlier? Typically, it is 7:30/7:45.
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It really depends on how good of a nap he takes. Does he tend to really like his bedtime set at that, or does he go more on general A time?
Remember you can always aim to get a good AM Nap again, find the right A time that gets you that, and then shoot for a short PM nap too. You can always try that after the 20 min AM nap also - if you don't have much success.
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Bedtime has pretty much been set at 7:30 since he was about 4mos. It only recently moved to 7:45 on some nights because he was just not ready for bed. Which, I guess is just part of this transition!
So, beginning tomorrow, I will go with the 20m am nap and see what happens after a few days. Today is already a mess, I think, because he was grumpy since about 9:30. I tried to push him, but he was asleep at 10:05. I woke him at 30m. Maybe with the pm nap being earlier today, I can get a good night!
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Another mom just posted on here about the 20 min AM nap. Maybe you could hop on her thread and talk to her about it. Like what A times she is working with, etc. :) I know it helps me when somebody else is going through the same mess I am :)
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Thanks, sherry lynn! I did check that thread out! It's always helpful when someone else is going down the same path! Great news from yesterday...
6:05 wake
10:05-10:35 nap (I woke)
1:25-3:00 nap (I had to wake!!!!!!!!!!!)
7:40-6:55 bed Woooo hoooooo!!! (I'll take that 11hr15m!!! He did wake briefly at 5:50, moaned quietly for about 3m, then back to sleep :)
He managed that long A before bed just fine, and was asleep within 5m of putting him down at 7:35. So, today I'm trying the 20m am nap. He's sleeping right now...he actually fought for about 15m. Not really crying, more like yelling at me so as to say "I am NOT ready for a nap yet, mommy!" But, he did go to sleep at 10:40, so yay! Waking him at 11:00, and then trying to put him down at 1:00. Fingers crossed for a good pm nap again today!
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I've noticed a lot lately that moms are doing 2.5 after a 20 min nap. I'm not sure if it's the age or what, but that was a lot of time for Lyle. Sometimes he was shattered after 1.5 hours. But, maybe it's because he always slept less at night too. Not sure.
So it might take a little bit to work out the A time.
That is great news :)
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Yes...well...he did the 20m nap from 10:40-11:00. I put him down at 12:50, as it usually takes 5-10 for him to settle. It is 1:20, and he is babbling about in there! He was quiet from 1:05-1:15, then, it started again! The trouble with this is...I'm thinking I can't let him sleep much past 3:00 in order to get a decent night, so if he does 2.5 A, which is what it's looking like, I can't hope for a 2hr nap, the most I could get is 1hr40m. IF, big IF, he's asleep right now. Not sure, he got quiet as I started typing. I suppose I will see how today and tonight go. If they go well, I will try this for a few days. If not, I might just push him to one nap for a few days and see what happens.
I know I've read about alternating one nap and two nap days. That might be in the cards for us if this doesn't work out!
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Most of the people I know have had to alternate when they first went to one nap. Some moms are really lucky in that they make the switch fine. But most LO get at least a little OT.
After this age I have always counted A time when I put him in bed. So maybe tomorrow put him in bed at 2 hours, or 2hours 5 min and see how it goes.
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You mean for the pm nap, right?
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Yeah :) I would just add a few minutes. Not too much. Your LO seems a little on the lower end of A time, so I would just be afraid to cut it too short.
I honestly don't think you want him to sleep much more than 2 hours in the day at this point anyways. Don't want to mess up the night sleep too much.
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No, I don't want to mess with the night...I just wish I could get my 2 hrs in one nap! This is strange---since 25m into this pm nap, he is very quietly moaning on and off...not an awake kind of moan, but a rather quiet one. Keeps doing it...what do you make of this?
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Do you think there was any chance he was OT?
That doesn't sound good, sounds OT :(
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Yes, that's what I am thinking, since he had 2.5 A on a 20m nap. He did have a good night, but I have to say that he was quite grumpy when I woke him after 20m. He actually just woke at 2:40, only a 1hr20m nap. Cried out for 3m, and then back to sleep (I think...as it's only been 6m!) I'm thinking that with the good night and later wake-up this am, I may have been better off trying for one nap and doing an early bedtime if needed. He did take 15m to settle for that 20m nap, he could have def. handled 4.5hrs easily on that night. *Sigh* I'm starting to doubt whether I will ever get this all figured out!
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That's a good idea, the next time you have a good solid night sleep, I would go for the one nap and see how he does.
Then you can start working on pushing out that A time. You are almost to enough A time to really be solidly on one nap, as long as he's willing to give you a good nap.
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Yes, that's the plan...I think he is pretty close...just need to wait for another 7am wakeup!
Yesterday, he was back asleep after waking for about 3m at 2:40...I woke him at 3:05. He went to sleep at 7:40...barely making a peep after putting him down. He did wake this am at 6:20, though :(
I have a dentist appt today at 10, and have nobody to watch him. I decided to try and put him down for a catnap at 8:20, and see if he would sleep. That was only 2hrs A, but he was asleep at 8:25!!! Yes, I am shocked, but happy that he will be able to get through the dentist appt with me! It is 9:00, and he's still asleep. I plan on waking him at 9:15, if he hasn't woken already, and then down for pm nap at 12:30. Fingers crossed for a decent pm nap! I didn't think I could push him to one nap today with that early of a wake-up. I cannot count on him sleeping in the car, as he almost never does that anymore. Besides...you never know how long it will take at the dentist!
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Good luck. Poor thing must be pretty tired. Good luck on the PM nap :)
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Well, I have messed up again! After he had a 45m am nap yesterday (because I had a dentist appt, and nobody to watch him), he went to sleep for the pm nap at 12:40. He slept until 2:50...yes a solid 2hrs10m. I knew that was probably too much day sleep, but I needed some "me" time, so I let him sleep. I knew he would have a short night because of it, but I was being a bit selfish! The good news is that he handled his almost 5hr A before bed beautifully. He was asleep at 7:40, but woke at 6:10, so 10.5 hrs. I expected that since he got so much day sleep.
So, today I am back to the 20m am nap, and then trying to put him down after 2hrs for the pm nap. I am just so, so confused. It seems I can only get an 11 + hr night once a week right now. *Sigh* I will do this 20m am nap thing for a couple more days, and if it's not working, I may either just go for one nap or go back to long am/short pm. One thing I think I have learned is that he seems to be much more prone to OT in the am than he does for bedtime. Yes, he's been waking early, but manages the A before bed just fine and very rarely has NWs lately. What do you think?
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I didn't see where the mistake was ???
That all seemed fine to me.
I actually think you are lucky :) To have gotten away with all this for so long :)
A lot of moms find that during the 2-1 it is really hard to get 10 hours or even 10.5 at night. And then it goes back up once they make the switch.
The fact that he handled that A time before bed is a really really good sign.
If he can't do 5 hours in the morning, maybe he could do something like this
wake
4.5 hours A time
Hopefully at least a 2 hour nap
5 hours A time
Bed
WDYT
Honestly we didn't get many 7 am wakes ups, so if you keep not getting them, then maybe just try the above on a day when he seems in a good mood.
Then hopefully that night he will sleep 11-12 hours at night.
Just going by his age he really should be close to ready.
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I was thinking the mistake was letting him sleep almost 3hrs total in the day, knowing that it would result in a shorter night.
Ok, so if I do the above routine, and he woke at 6:10, that would mean nap 10:40-12:40 and bedtime at 5:40???? Even if he slept 12 hrs, that would be a really early wakeup, don't you think?
He did take 20m nap from 10:25-10:45 this am...very grumpy upon waking him. I don't think he likes me waking him up after such a short nap. I put him down at 12:45, and he is in there right now kicking the crib I think...making some kind of strange noise. Not talking or crying, just some kicking or banging of some sort.
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No. I think I would wait until he slept until 6:30 at least.
Then
hopefully it would be something like this
6:30
11-1 (hopefully longer)
bed at 6
It might not work out that nicely, but you'll only know if you try.
How long does he usually sleep on an AM nap with 4.5 hours of A time. If it's not long then I would up it by 15 min to see if you get a longer nap.
The waking them up is the worst part about the 20 min nap. It was horrible. Lyle doesn't like it when I wake him from a 3 hour nap, let alone 20 min :(
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Yes, he HATES when I wake him from a 20m nap. Here's what happened yesterday...
6:10 wake
10:25-10:45 nap 1 (I woke)
1:00-2:45 (I woke)
He woke at 1:40 for about 1 minute. I am thinking he was slightly OT, as he was looking really drowsy when I was feeding him lunch. Is it possible that he might want less than 2hrs A after a 20m nap? I put him down at 12:45, but it took 15m for him to settle. He did not go to bed until 7:55...not sure why. He just chatted and played for 25m. Then, he had 2 NWs...one at 2:00 and one at 4:45. He whined for about 1 minute each time. Of course, this probably happened because I just said how he very rarely has NWs...I shouldn't have typed that, ha ha! Anyway, he slept until 6:40. So that was 10hr45m night. It seems that he pretty much has a 10.5 hr night no matter what I do lately, with an 11+ hr maybe once a week. So, I'm wondering if I ought to just let him sleep as long as he wants in the afternoon.
I'm not sure what his am nap would be after 4.5 hrs right now. It's been about a month (maybe longer) since I have been cutting the am nap shorter and shorter, so I'm not really sure. I'm thinking of trying for one nap today, since he woke at 6:40. Maybe putting him down at 11:15, hoping he'll be asleep by 11:25, which would be 4.75 hrs. Hoping to get at least 2hrs. If not, then maybe offer a cn in the pm? What do you think?
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Ok, so I tried it...11:25 asleep, woke at EXACTLY 12:00. Back asleep at 12:08, woke at 12:43...exactly 35m each time. This is classic OT for him, I'm sure! Will have to do a pm nap...ugggghhhhh, I was really hoping it would just work out!
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ugggggghhhh indeed.
I would just let him sleep in the afternoon. Especially if the night sleep seems to be the same no matter what.
There were days where I had to put Lyle down at 1.5 hours A time after the 20 min nap, so it is completely possible that he needs a little less.
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Well, he only slept from 3:15-4:00. Then, he took ages to fall asleep again...did not fall asleep until 7:55. This morning, he was up at 5:45!!! Less than 10hrs. He *may* have gone back to sleep for about 10m, as he was quiet from 5:55-6:05, but after that, he was definitely 100% awake!
Seems as though trying for that one nap really screwed things up! He just went to sleep at 9:25. I could see that he was pretty tired. I think I am going to let him have 1hr, as he will be up at 10:25, and that's early enough for me to try and get a good nap in with enough A before bedtime. *Sigh*
I think yesterday was a combination of OT and UT...OT in the am, but maybe UT for bed?
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I would agree.
good luck on the PM nap.
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Do you think it's ok to let him sleep an hour this am to catch up a bit?
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right before we made the switch to one nap we went back to the long AM nap. All of a sudden he was cooperating again with going down in the PM, I'm not sure why.
But, what I liked about that is it let me figure out his real A time in the morning.
When you cut their nap in the morning it's hard to know what their true A time is because you don't know what kind of nap they would have taken. I wonder if that will help you ???
Since cutting the nap hasn't really helped increase night sleep I wonder if it would be worth going back to the longer AM nap? Since he is taking the PM nap still?
I was really surprised to see that he couldn't handle that much A time. What do you think his A time might be in order to take a good nap.
Having said that though I could not let him sleep one minute past 1.5. If I did he would refuse the PM nap, but he was doing that after 20 min in the morning anyways by that point, so I figured at least he got a good am nap. And I would just do early bedtime if he refused to go down.
I think we finally made the transtion after he refused to go down in the morning after 3.5 hours. Then I just pushed him as close to lunch time as I could and crossed my fingures. At first he would only sleep 1h10m, but then he eventually slept through longer, or he was able to be resettled. That made for really long afternoons at first, but we made it through.
You just posted when I did, what do you think of what I suggested. I figure at this age if you are going to let him sleep an hour, you it's almsot just orth it to let him sleep a full nap. My computer is freaking out, sorry if this is messed up :(
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Hmmm...maybe I should go back to the long am nap and figure what his A time is again. I think I switched when he started refusing the pm nap some days, and the days he didn't, he would take longer to go down at bedtime.
I honestly don't know what his A would be to get a good am nap anymore...it's been so long. Since nights have been short, there's no telling. This am he woke at exactly 1 hr. That was 3hr40m of A time. He did have a super short night, though...only 9hrs50m.
So, since yesterday I tried for one nap on 4hr45m, maybe I should try somewhere in the middle, something like 4hr15m and see what kind of nap I get out of that. I am worried about the pm catnap though, as I think it was robbing his night before.
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Yes, I had the same issue with the PM catnap. It was very common for us to only have 10-10.5 hours when on two naps. But, it did help even just in the manor of figuring out how far away I was from being able to keep him up 5 hours.
yeah, maybe tomorrow try 4.5 hours? Then maybe only a very short nap in the PM. You were letting him sleep longer in the PM weren't you, if I remember correctly?
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I'm going to venture into giving some advice as I am going through this transition for about a month now with dd. When it first started, it was horrible for two weeks where she napped for 45 mins. the whole day, one day it would be in the morning, the next day she didn't want until later in the day, it was a mess! I posted on how depressed my dd's sleep was making me, because I never really had such a problem with nap refusals. Having said that, it seems that she is slowly balancing herself out and doing 5-5.25A time in the am with a 1.5hrs nap and about 4.75-5.5hrs. before bedtime. Like I said, it has been very rough, but things seem to be sorting out (knock on wood). I remember you saying that you have a textbook baby, as my dd is, and one thing I noticed is that if she was dropping a nap, then there was no messing around with it, because she would just scream the moment I would attempt a second nap, no matter how tired she was. What I'm trying to say is that although you may have a looong A time before bedtime some days, try to ride it out, he might make up for it at night and hopefully wake up later, so it balances out his day. Personally I found that whenever I tried shortening naps on her, it wasn't a pretty sight, so I learned to ride it out as much sweat and tears as it has caused me. For the first time EVER! This morning she woke at 5am, but went back to sleep and up for the day at 7am, with a nap at 12-1:30. It is true what some posts say here too, that once they start transitioning, their naps do get longer, so hope this helps. Hang in there, it's rough, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for myself and all of us going through this.
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Thanks for your encouragement, mimi! I tried to post 3 times yesterday, but my computer has been acting wacky! Anyway, night before last, after a 45m pm nap from 2:50-3:35, he again took ages to fall asleep...played until 8:05, and then up yesterday at 6:25. A lousy 10hr20m night! I tell you, I think he definitely needs a longer A before bed, which is why I switched from doing that pm catnap in the first place.
Anyway, I went with your advice, sherry lynn, on a 4.5 A yesterday, letting him sleep as long as he wanted. He went to sleep at 10:55, and only slept until 12:20, so 1hr25m. I'm not sure if this was OT or UT, as when he woke, he whined for less than a minute, then began chatting. DH suggested that we just try to keep him up and maybe do early bedtime instead of doing the catnap. We were out and about in the afternoon, so I thought if he fell asleep in the car for 10 or 20m, great, if not, oh well! He didn't sleep in the car (rarely does that anymore), so I put him down at 6:55. He was asleep at 7:05, and...drumroll...slept until 6:30...11hrs25m!!!!!!!!!! No NWs. This confirms to me that he must need a longer A before bed.
I think I need to just go for one nap at this point and hope that it eventually lengthens to 2hrs. Now the dilemma is...since he had a night that was 1 hr longer than the previous night, do I still do 4.5 A, or should I try to push it to 4.75A and see what happens?
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I'm not really an expert at this, but I wouldn't stretch his A time today, even after a good night - I don't think that one good night is enough to base an A time stretch on, and if you are just starting to do one nap then you could get OT really quickly.
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How did it go?
I had a feeling that it was the second nap robbing night sleep. I've seen that from so many moms during the transition.
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Well, I did end up stretching that A time before I read this. I was watching him closely, and he didn't seem at all tired by 4.5 hrs. I decided to try pushing it a bit since he did have that long night. His nap was from 11:25-1:30...2hrs5m!!!!!!!!!!! Can you say "happy mommy"? He woke up very happy, chatting away! So, his A was very close to 5hrs. He went to sleep at 7:25 tonight. He managed his A very well before bed.
I'm not saying I've got it yet, but it is certainly a start! Fingers crossed for another 11hr + night so we can have a repeat of this tomorrow!
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That is excellent! Keeping my fingers crossed for you, as it didn't work out as I thought for me. Today my dd woke at 5:15 unable to resettle back to sleep like the last two mornings, so she took a 1.25 hrs. nap this morning after 4 hrs. A time and a 40 mins. nap in the pm after 3hrs of A, and then I thought she would be down by her usual 6:30pm bedtime, but instead she fell asleep by 7pm (exactly 4.50 hrs A)...so we'll see what type of morning I'll get, although I have this funny feeling it'll be at 5ish again to repeat the same cycle as today...hmmmm :-/
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Kara - YEY!!!! I hope you get a repeat.
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Well, it is 6:40, and he is just starting to stir around! Yey!!!!! Hope it continues!!!
Sorry to hear of your EWs, Mimi. Hope it gets better!
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What are you doing out of bed!!!! :) You're supposed to be resting until he gets up. I imagine it's nice to get some Y time first thing in the morning. Lyle tends to get up too early and is too unpredictable for me to bother getting out of bed before he gets up.
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Lol, sherry lynn! I am usually up around 6-ish, as DH is getting ready for work. I go to bed early, so it's not a big deal for me to get up early. I just don't like it when Mikey gets up early, as I know he didn't have a long night of sleep, and that throws off the day. We had another 1 nap day yesterday...1hr45m, asleep at 7:20, and slept until 6:45 this morning. I am liking this :)
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Lyle is generally up at 6, I don't care much for it myself either :)
That is great news. It sounds like he really was ready. I hope it continues to go well for you.
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Arrrgggghhhh....just lost my post!!!
Sorry to hear about your 6am wake-ups...what time does Lyle go to bed?
As for us, another successful one-nap day...woooohooo! He actually had a 5hr A yesterday, as we were out and about. I was a little nervous about it, but he was asleep at 11:45, woke briefly at 12:50, then back to sleep until 1:50, so yay! He didn't go to sleep until 7:45. He was down right about 7:30, but he did some quiet chatting for about 15m. Thankfully, not the noisy, bouncing around the crib kind that he was doing last week! He just woke up at 7:05! I think he is getting used to it! He must like about a 6hr A before bed, as that's about what he's been getting all week. Strange how he likes a shorter A in the am and a longer A in the pm.
I am so, so happy that you convinced me to give the one nap a try...it's just like you said, when you've tried everything else, you only know if they can handle it if you try. It is so much nicer to know when the nap will be!
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That's great news :)
Lyle goes to bed at 8. 6 is normal for him. So I wasn't really trying to complain. It would just be nice if it was consistently 7.
Lyle is the same way, he has a shorter first A time and longer last A time. Although when we first switched he did five hours A time on both sides of the nap for a little while. Then he started stretching it out again.
I hope it continues for you. He is doing so great.
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I guess when they get to a certain age, they need less sleep, so you either get a longer nap or a longer night?
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Sometimes, sometimes not. I go back and forth on cutting the nap because it doesn't always mean a longer night. Then I get bummed. This time we got sidetracked from cutting the nap because he got sick. So I'm going back to cutting the nap today.
And, for example yesterday he had no nap!! And he still only did 11 hours at night. So he really lost 2.5 hours (ish) of sleep because he only made up about .5-1 hour of sleep at night. Yet, he has been taking an average of 2.5-3 hour naps.
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Well, our success was short-lived! I don't know why...Friday he only had a 1hr nap, put him down for 6:50, but took until 7:25 to fall asleep...played and played! Good news was he did sleep until 7:00am. Saturday, he only had a 1hr15m nap, then the same thing for bedtime, sang and chatted and played for 30m before falling asleep. Only slept until 6:30 this am. I'm using the same As...I'm not sure what's going on??? I let him whine a bit to see if he would go back to sleep for his naps, but there was no going back to sleep! I wonder if I need to do a 2 nap day?
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You need to do one of two things, not sure which though. What A time are you doing in the morning?
1. Throw in a 2 nap day to catch up on OT.
2. Increase A time before the nap.
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Is he waking happy?
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No, he's actually waking crying, but is happy after I get him. I have been doing about 4.5/4.75 A. I actually had a 2 nap day yesterday. From a 6:30 wake up, he went to sleep at 10:45. A bit earlier than usual, but he only had 11hrs that night and was looking tired, so I tried it. Woke after 35m crying...left him for 10m to see if he would go back to sleep...he did not. I had to give a pm nap because there was no way he was going to make it on 35m all day! He woke from the am nap at 11:20, I tried to put him down at 1:40, thinking he might need about a 2.5hr A, but I was wrong! He played until 2:30, when he FINALLY went to sleep. I woke him at 3:30. I knew he would take ages to go to bed...and I was right...played from 7:25 until 8:05 when he was finally asleep. Now he has woken at 6:10! Yuck!
I am thinking today will def. have to be a 2 nap day...just not sure of the time. Should I try and put him down really early and let him sleep from 9-10 and then maybe 1:30-2:30? I think he has to be up by at least 2:30 to get a long enough A before bed.
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Good morning Neighbor :) Lyle was up over here in Georgia at 6:01 :)
I'm so happy he even went down for a second nap for you. At this age it is such a gamble.
Yeah, I would try with the earlier times.
Do you think an hour nap in the PM will be long enough? I don't want him to get too OT. He seems to need a lot of sleep.
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Good morning! When I got him up, he was blowing bubbles out of his nose! It seems we have a cold! No fever, just a runny nose. If he gets an hour in the am and an hour in the pm, I think he'll be ok. 2 hrs of day sleep seems to work best, and he can def. handle a long A before bed. When I first started on the switch last week, he was getting a 6hr A before bed and managed just fine, although it made for a looooong afternoon for me! Truthfully, he would probably stay up all day if I let him! The trouble in the am is that I don't get a good nap if I keep him up too long.
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We have the same issue at over 2. If I push him I don't get a good nap. It's frustrating. If he is sick then I would definitely do two naps today.
I hope he feels better soon.
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He went to sleep at 8:55, wasn't sure if he would go down that early, but with a 10hr night, I thought I'd try. Anyway, he has been coughing a bit on and off. Don't think it's woken him, as I haven't heard any movement or chatting, just coughing. I wonder if I should let him sleep as long as he wants???
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It might be worth it honestly. If he's sick he might be willing to take a really small catnap later.
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Well, he slept until 9:55...so he answered my question! Hopefully, he'll sleep for an hour later!
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Yeah, he probably just wasn't tired enough. Kind of takes the stress of you with waking him. Sometimes I like that :)
Good luck with the PM nap and I hope it doesn't rob too much from his night.
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The pm nap went well...1:40-2:40, I woke him. He went to bed at 7:50 (chatted for 20m, but that is better than 35!!!) just woke at 6:50...I will take that 11 hr night! This confirms my theory that he needs a long A before bed...5-6 hrs. Hopefully we will get just one good nap today. 2:30/2:45 seems to be the latest he can wake to give me a good night. I think the key was putting him down super early for that am nap so that I could get a pm nap in early enough.
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Good luck for today. I'm glad you've figured out what works best for him. Lyle's routine has changed and I'm still trying to figure it out. Can't seem to get it.
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I'm not saying I've figured it all out...otherwise, I'd have my perfect 2hr nap everyday, lol! Aren't they just always changing? Like Tracy says, just when you think you've got it, everything changes!
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Well, we have success to report! We got a 2hr5m nap yesterday!!!!!!!!!! Went to sleep at 11:20, 4.5hr A. He did wake briefly twice, at 1hr5m, moaned for less that 1m, then again at 1hr40m, whined for about 2m, then back to sleep until 1:25. I think he may have been ever so slightly OT, as it was an 11 hr night, but overall, I was happy! If he sleeps 11hrs, I might have to cut the A by 10m or so to get a more solid nap. He went down at 7:30, asleep at 7:45, and woke at 7:00 this am! He actually let out a chat, was quiet again until 7:10, let out another chat, then was quiet again until 7:20.
So, a 2hr5m nap followed by an 11hr15m+ night makes for a very happy mommy! On with the 4.5hr A again today!
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YEY!!!!!
That is great news. When Lyle first successfully went to one nap we got those brief little wake ups too, just from being slightly OT. But, I was still happy, happy, happy, because he wasn't up crying at 1h10m :)
Glad to hear you got over the OT bump. I hope the good nap continues. Wow at that super long A time in the afternoon.
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Yes, I'm hoping he's just still adjusting. If he does one nap for a few days and then I get an EW, I know now that I might have to have a 2 nap day to catch him up. I agree...super long A before bed, but that seems to be what works for him...at least for now! No NWs, so I guess it is ok.
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Yep, he seems to be doing well. That's what matters.
Lyle also regularly does/did 6 hours of A time. But when we first switched I kept it to 5 hours. It quickly went up though.
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Funny how they only like 4.5 hrs in the am, but 6 in the pm, isn't it! You'd think they'd be so rested after a good solid night that it would be the opposite! Maybe ours are backwards, lol!!!
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Mine has always been backwards :) I wish I would have realized that he's fine with long afternoon A times a long time ago, like when he was 5-6 months old :) Would have saved a lot of stress over the stinking catnap.
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You are right, sherry! On Wed, we got a nap from 11:35-2:00...nearly 2.5hrs! He did wake once around 1hr5m, whined for about 2m, then back to sleep! Went to sleep that night at 7:30, but was up the next am at 6:15...maybe a combination of too much day sleep and not enough A before bed? It was still 10hr45m, so not too bad.
Yesterday was crazy, due to thanksgiving. I actually ended up being happy with the early wake-up, so I could get a decent nap in before we had to go to be with family. He napped from 10:25-12:00, when I had to wake him. There was no way he was going to sleep when we were out, so he ended up being up unil 7:00...a very long A, but he did fine! One NW around 10:00, cried out for just a minute...then he slept until 7:30!!! I actually had to go in and wake him up! I thought something was wrong, lol! Guess he was catching up!
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That is terrific. Sounds like you have a good little sleeper. Doesn't it feel nice to pretty much be done with the 2-1?
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Yes, it does. I think we are pretty much done, as over the past 2 weeks, we have only had 2 or 3 days where I had to give 2 naps. Saturday we only got a 1hr20m nap, where he woke up chatting and singing. I was wondering if I needed to increase his A in the am, but then yesterday, he took a 2hr25m nap...solid with no wakings! I guess sometimes you are bound to get a shorter nap, and then you just do an early bedtime if necessary.
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Yeah, that's right. Especially at this age you start to notice other things effecting the nap too, and there's nothing you can really do about it, or you don't even know when it is going to happen.
Their night sleep the night before seems to be a big factor, and the activity level. Lyle needs a certain amount of activity to nap well, but I have to be very careful about OS.
Congratulations on making it through :)
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Hi...back after a month and a half...had computer issues, then internet issues...ugggghhh! I'm going to post a new thread with current issues called "17.5 mos nap problems have returned". Sherry Lynn, can you pop in if you don't mind?
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Sure :)