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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: deckchariot on October 25, 2009, 18:50:19 pm
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Continued from: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=148578.435
please continue on ladies :D
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Hi everyone hope you had a good night/day :)
We didn't have a great night and I think the reason was UT. But then again I could be wrong and it might have been OT!!
I had put her down to bed slightly earlier thinking that awful interrupted nap from yesterday, where she cried out and had to be resettled 3 times, might warrant an earlier bedtime.
But DD didn't really fall asleep until about 7:30 or so. Anyway she woke up at 11 and cried and cried and woulnd't get back into her cot :( Finally I had to sit there and I fell asleep while patting her, bumped my head on the cot. Then went back to our room. And she slept until about 4 Am then she woke up chatting!! Sounds like UT NWs right? She chatted for a bit and then tossed/turned cried out and finaly fell asleep and I woke her at 7 to get ready for childcare.
She had a crappy nap there (from 10:45 - 11:20). Then I brought her home and put her down now, it's 2:30. Let's see.
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Oh no, sounds like ut but then I could be wrong!
Well we're up at 4am! I'm so upset! It took 5months to get my lo to wake past 5am, last week he started waking 6am+, now the clocks changed and I'm up at 4am, I can't believe it. :'( xx
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Julianne are you sure your LO isn't OT, hence the EW? Sounds like your routine needs a good looking over from an expert.
Priya I think Sherry makes some really good points in her last post. Hope you didn't hurt your head too bad!
We've had an interesting day. Interesting because DS had a 35 minute nap in the am (woke crying) and then I put him down 2.5 hrs later and he slept for 1hr 35m!! So I'm really happy about that. Will aim for a 7pm bedtime (he woke this morning at 7am).
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Yesterday he was Ot yes, all because he had to goto his Grandmas for the afternoon, and he only had a short am nap, so I said to her to let him nap at 2pm for 45mins... which would have been fine... only we got there at 4pm and he was bouncing around, hyper, and no nap! She was convinced he didn't need it andhe clearly did poor boy. So we had to let him have 15m on the way home maximum as it was too late in the day! I knew he'd be up at 4am new time (5am old time as that's what he used to wake if ot) so I'm not really surprised. I'm putting him to bed at 5:30tonight with 2 naps today, his body is used to 6:30pm which is now 5:30 after clocks changed.and I have a plan to slowly change it later over 2weeks.
Sorry for the ramble! Long story short, he's normally fine, but with yesterday at grandmas and the clock change it resulted in a 4am wake-up. He's not to know it wasn't 5am...
Ugh. Xx
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I know how you feel regarding a grandparent who 'thinks' your LO doesn't/does need sleep!
That's great that you have a plan! I remember reading somewhere that you slowly move their day back/forward by 15 minutes every 3 days or something.
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...that's exactly my plan! I posted it on my "daylight savings" thread. Today is meant to be a catch-up day, but forgetting how early LO had woken today, I missed his nap time (which should have been 8am... so at 8:30 when I tried to put him down he had a proper tantrum... OT everywhere! Screaming, kicking, that "gone straight" trick they save for special times... it took half an hour to get him to sleep (9am). Also, he hates me today. When he woke at 4am he got on our bed and clung to my OH (who got in from work at 2am and didn't need waking at 4!), screamed when I took him, and the same happened at 8:30... I'm worried now as OH is going away for the week in the morning :(
So much for catching up, he's more OT now :( xx
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Be back later,just want to mark my spot ;D
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Wow, a lot of chatting has happened since I last posted in the afternoon :)
Rachel, your day sounds almost exactly like mine:
Wake - 7 AM
AM nap - 10:45 - 11:20 (at childcare. Who knows whether this was OT, OS or UT nap!)
Pm nap - 2:30 - 4:05 (I had to wake her up)
Bedtime - 7:50 and she fell asleep without any fuss. yay!
Let's see what the night holds for me! Hmm...
Julianna - oh no, I'm so sorry to hear about your rough start to the day. I hope that he has a catchup day today and rest at least in the PM? And I don't think he hates you... hugs hun. Hope he settles down for you later.
Lucy - hello again! :) :) How's D going?
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Well, my leg is numb and my arms feel wobbly lol. Ok, so lo went down for a nap at 9am... woke at 10am, soi brought him down, and sat him with me for hugs while I watched the end of Wife Swap (I know, priorities! Lol) anywho, I noticed his foot twitch, which he does when he's asleep... he'd only gone and fallen asleep on me...2hours later a can no longer feel my arms lmao. He's heavyand I didn't wantto move incase he woke, I thought he'd sleep 30mins max, not a total of 3HOURS!!! :o. Bed will be 5:30-6pm now, no catnap needed! X
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3hrs!!! i want some of that!!!
Hey Priya! ;D D is just being D again! ::) onto 1 nap consistently but i still feel she needs 2 but wont take them! she wont do longer than 1.5hrs and that is a good day,most days its 1hr15/20 mins.But she is STTN and sleeping 11/11.5 hr nights so i shouldnt complain. i just want more Y time in the day!!! ;) Cant seem to get her A time right so after messing about for so long we have gone with set times.just need to push her bedtime a bit to get a later wakeup!!
Having said that,my poor baby is poorly today,Ear infec i think and she has slept on and off all day!
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Chandler slept 1.5 hours yesterday and was just a cranky mess around 5 p.m. We got her to take a short catnap, which is probably the first one she's "agreed" to take in the last month.
I think the biggest problem we're having right now are the early wakings. She's up at 4:30 a.m. most days, goes back to sleep, then wakes every hour until my husband gets her up at 7:30. Basically, the problem is that WE'RE being woken up by her at 4:30. I am never able to go back to sleep, and I'm getting a little "edgy" after a couple of weeks of this.
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Hey, lo woke at 4:30 today (he thinks it's 5:30 of course,which would be an ot waking going by our old routine)... all this time changing is hard work.
A 4:30-9:30
S 9:30-... well, who knows how long he'll sleep and what I'm going to do this afternoon! Eek! Maybe nap of 30mins at 2:30?? Bedtime 6:30? I think I need to just forget the old times,make a new routine and hope he starts waking later... he was doing so well last week with a set nap at 11 and bed at 6:30, waking 6-6:30 for the first time in 5months, I think I need to do that again... set it all at specific times...
Lucy, I hope. Your lo gets better soon. My lo has been poking his ear today,given calpol before nap just incase. Could just be teething though!
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Hey ladies, hope you're all doing ok.
Julianna, I cannot believe your lo slept for 3 hours in your arms :) :) I guess you could have watched a lot of TV sitting there with him :) :) I have read that sometimes when you're trying to set their body clocks it does help to set naps at specific times. Hope you have some luck with that. Also just wondering, do you have blockout blinds/shutters that stop the morning sun from coming into his room? Although I guess your clocks moved back now didn't they? So that might not be such an issue.
Lucy, sorry to hear about D's ear infection. Poor little muffin. Didn't she recently just recover from one? I hope she feels better soon.
Just to update you on our day, it was very similar to yesterdays.
Wake - 6:40ish
AM nap - 10:45 - 11:25ish (at childcare)
PM nap - 2:40 - 4:10 (at home, and I had to wake her from it)
Bedtime - 8ish
As you might remember for the past few weeks, bedtime was always filled with antics and playing etc and it's only in the last 2 days that she's gone to sleep instantly no fooling around. Do you think it might be due to this new routine she's decided to adopt yesterday and today due to childcare?
The big question I have I suppose is now that we're at home the rest of the week, should I try and follow this routine? At childcare she was waking from the naps on her own. Should I try and wake her up tomorrow at around 30 mins or just let her have a long AM nap as she usually has been doing?
Last night on this routine, we did have some NWs though they were brief, NWs nonetheless :( I have no idea if they were routine related or not. But at least she wasn't chatting!
Just wondering what your thoughts are :)
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If the childcare routine works for her, then it can't hurt for you to give it a go too! What's the worst that can happen! (Apart from nw/ew!)
I'm going to have to grab a pen and work a routine for one and 2 nap days, and stick to it like glue!! X
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I am not looking forward to the time change this weekend! I really hope she'll adjust within a few days.
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We were up at 4:30am today :( nap at 9:30-10:20 :( I'm going to have to give him another nap and bed at 6/7ish :( ugh... x
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Hi ladies! I'm just jumping in this new thread to mark my spot! We have been offline for about a week...yuck! I have some reading to catch up on!
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Hi All,
not much to report this end. I think DS is definitely teething as we continue to have a few issues at night time. Using lots of pain meds and lots of cuddling!
Priya it looks like your DD is getting about 2 hours of day sleep, much less than she would usually, which would indicate 2 hours a day is optimal for a good night with no playing up at bedtime.
I'm not sure it matters whether you stick to her routine at childcare . . I would just be mindful to limit her day sleep to 2 hours and you might be right, whether or not she has a short am/long pm or long am/short pm.
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Up at 4am again, he stirred from 3-4, then 4-4:45am I did pu/pd for 15m, then the last 30mins he was just mumbling but wouldn't sleep :( xx
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Ughh...I"m so over these NWs. The past 4 days we've had 2 slightly different routines depending on length of the AM nap but on all days she's had 2hr daytime sleep. No matter what I try these NWs just won't go away!! She has woken up up to 5 times each night :( I feel like a zombie. Thank goodness I"m not working this friday! I'm writing out her routine below. Do you think her NWs are routine related or just because she's DD. I thought she may have been teething but I can't tell for sure.
Mon/Tues (Childcare days)
Wake - 6:40
AM nap - 10:45 - 11:20ish (woke on own, didn't seem happy at cc)
PM nap - 2:30 - 4
bedtime - 8ish (no bedtime antics)
Wed
Wake - 7:20
AM nap - 11 - 12:30 (woke on own, happy)
PM nap - 3:45 - 4:20 (I woke her)
bedtime - 8:10 (tried since 7:35 cos I thought after 30 min nap the A time needs to be ~ 3hr?? but she kept right on playing!)
Thurs
Wake - 7:20
Am nap - 11 - 12:10 (woke on own, happy)
PM nap - 3:35 - 4:20 (I woke her)
Bedtime - 8:20 (tried since 8ish, had to AP in the end)
I have a feeling that DD needs at least two 4hr blocks of A time in the day. But I just can't fit it all in. Is it time to suck it in and move to 1 nap?
Julianna - how was today's wake time? Hope a bit later??
Lucy - How's D feeling?
Rachel - I hope DS cuts through the teeth quickly and you get back to your trouble free nights :) I wish DD was like that too.
She never seems to having nap refusal issues like some of your LOs, but boy are her nights bad!!!
sending get well soon and sleep vibes your way!
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Hey, we used to get nw's like that a few months ago when lo was really OT!
Today, DS woke at 5:10! :) No nw's either. And he's having a nap now (9am) so far for 1hr 10. I'mgoingto leave him until 1h30m max, so I can give him 30mins pm and still get him to bed at 7pm. Xx
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Hey!
Priya.how old is she now? we had some awfull NW and i messed about with A times so much and it all came down to her being UT.it took me a while to realise this cos i was convinced her NW would def be OT.
PUshing thru to 1 nap was the way we got rid of them.We had a little bit of OT but we pushed thru it and came out the other end in a week.
yep,Daisy has just got over an ear infec 3 weeks ago.she has an ear infec in both her ears this time and now has Diarrhea and a dreadfull sore bum...we cant catch a break!! everytime she cuts a tooth she seems to get an ear infec.,anyone know if this can be connected?
Due to being ill we have had to go back to 2 naps but im going to try and push her back to 1 today now as she is feeling a lot better.wish me luck!!
We have seemed to come thru the time change pretty easily.Good luck to those goin thru it this weekend!
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Hey Lucy, I've heard that you can get ear infections along with teething and also sometimes runny noses. And yes definitely sore bums. Apparently it has something to with the the poo being more acidic, due to excessive saliva, causing a change in the bacteria that normally live in the stomach during teething time. Weird huh?
Julianna,Yay for the good night :) :) I also thought she was massively OT but you know I am beginning to think it's UT NWs. Because she just isn't acting the way she normally does when she's OT. when DD"s OT it's quite different and she cries differently to what she does now. But it's so hard to tell though with so many changes going on now, teething, developmental stuff etc.
We seem to have done the daylight saving time changes much earlier this year compared to everyone else :)
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Priya it sounds like DD needs a long A time before bed, that's for sure. If you want her to have a 7.30pm bedtime, and she needs about a 4 hour A time before that, then last nap needs to finish at 3.30pm. So working back from that, with the idea that she still needs two naps, you either have to do:
Wake - 6/6.30am
AM nap - 10/10.30 - 11.30/12pm (1.5 hrs max)
PM nap - 3pm - 3.30pm
Bed 7.30
OR
Wake - 6.30/7am
AM nap - 10.30 - 11am
PM nap - 2 - 3.30pm
Bed 7.30
Or of course you could limit both naps to 1 hour each.
DS did a long am (1.5hrs)/short pm (1 hr) today, after two days with little sleep (with carers). He's going down better at bedtime though which is good. I'm hoping he does at least an 11 hr night. We'll be doing a short am/long pm tomorrow due to kindergym, so I'll need to be careful to not let him get too OT for his pm nap.
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Update: Chandler's been doing well this week! She's been sleeping almost two hours at daycare, going to bed at 8 and sleeping through with only minimal wake-up noises during the night. I hope we're nearing the end of the transition!
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Oooh sounds promising!
Today so far:
A 5:10-9:00
S 9:00-10:15
A 10:15-14:30
S 14:30-15:00
A 15:00... so bed should be 7pm! X
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Yay! Ashley, that's great news..hope the trend continues. Julianna, that sounds like a good routine given the EW. Hope it works out.
Update - last night DD had a pretty good night. Bedtime 8:20ish, brief wake required comfort around 9:30 then slept till 6:30 this AM no waking. yay! Now was that related to her routine from yesterday or just her being her deciding to get my hopes up 1 night?? hmmm..
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Well it's nearly 2am and he's attention seeking... crying his head off but as soon as I pick him up he's fine. Gr!
Atleast OH is back for one night tomorrow, no hang on, today (forgot it's morning already!) So I might get a break. X
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Julianne, do you think your LO is waking early due to OT? How old is he again? I just keep looking at your days and thinking his day sleep is on the low side, i.e. less than 2 hours.
Happy news for you Ashley! It will be lovely to hear when at least one of our LOs is finally and consistently on one nap!
DS did about an 11 hour night last night but was up around 6.20am which is too early, considering he'd been doing closer to 7am for the past 3 weeks. I think its because the last two days he's had a late nap that has finished too close to bedtime. DS doesn't need a long A before bed, but I have to be careful he doesn't sleep too close to 7pm.
He had a 35 minute am nap from 10.05 - 10.40 and went down for his pm nap at 1.15. Hopefully he wakes around 2.45 and then I'll probably need a 6.45/7pm bedtime.
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I think it was ot, I was getting him in the bath lastnight and I saw the biggest yawn out the corner of my eye... at which point I hurried but only managed to get him in bed 15mins early :(
He's just starting to stir now, 5am woop xx
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How wrong was I, 5:40!!!!! Woohoo!!! Xxx
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Hmm, plan...
A 5:40-9:40
S 9:40-11:00
A 11:00-15:00
S 15:00-15:30
A 15:30-19:00. ??? Don't knowhow else to fitit all in lol xx
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Your plan looks good Julianne!
I'm happy as DS napped from 1.15pm til 3.10pm! Yippee! Am wondering again whether to continue with the short am/long pm . . but then on a day like tomorrow, where we have a BBQ lunch to attend, I rather he did a long am! Oh well, I'll just have to keep mixing it up. Praying for a later wake up tomorrow!
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Hey ladies, Julianna!! yay again :) :) that's great, and your plan does look good. I know what you mean, I'm finding it really tough to fit it all in one day!
We had a fairly decent day today. She semi STTN last night and this morning had an AM nap from 10:45 - 12:30. My mistake. I have a really sore eye so I was resting as well and just let her sleep too long. Anyway I AP'd a short PM catnap from 3:45 - 4:20 and then tried bedtime at 8. But she slept only at 8:20. Is it possible she needs 4hr still after a 30 min catnap??
Rachel, I was also thinking of doing the short AM long PM style for a bit. Because the short PM just keeps delaying bedtime up to 8:30!! I feel I have not time to unwind after such a late bedtime! Hope you have a good day at the BBQ tomorrow.
Enjoy your weekend everyone
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Hey, I used to give my lo 4hrs A time after a 30min nap, and only last week did someone point out it was waytoo much! Since then I try for 3hrs A after a 30min nap, which seems way way better and less stressful at bedtime. It could be possible your lo needs 4hrs A, but unlikely as 13months :| sorry that's of no use to you at all really is it lol. X
So today:
A 5:40-9:40
S 9:40-10:40
A 10:40-2:40
S 2:40-3:05
A 3:05-6:10
For some reason he woke from his pm nap early and was quite upset, I think it's the teething monster!!! Here's hoping for a 5-something wake-up!! Xx
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Thanks Priya! I know what you mean about having to delay bedtime with a long am/short pm. For me the problem with it too is that its russian roulette whether DS will even take that short pm nap. Come to think of it, he has never been a great catnapper towards the end of the day. When we eventually made it to 2 naps from 3 I was so happy!
Well my theory on DS late napping in the day affecting EW isn't true! He did a short am/long pm yesterday but he had too long an A time before bed (4.5hrs - however the last 30 minutes was him alternating crying and me cuddling/giving meds for teeth) so was asleep just after 7.30 and we got an EW of around 6ish - not impressed. My only conclusion is that he got 2.5 hours total day sleep which was perhaps 30minutes too much?
Today has been a bit wonky too. After the early wake up he was a mess after 3 or so hours A time but I pushed him to 3.75. His nap was just under 2 hours! I tried for a pm nap 4 hours later - but it didn't work. I know now I should have done 4.5. I tried for bed just before 7pm but he whined a bit and I had to pat. He eventually fell asleep 10 minutes after I left the room. Fingers crossed for a decent wake up tomorrow! I am very much heading toward short am/long pm but it is certainly going to make the day shorter, so:
Wake up - 6.30 at least hopefully
Nap 1 - 10 - 10.30
Nap 2 - 1 - 2.30
Bed - 6.30
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Rachel, I know just what you mean. The exact same thing happened to us too. Remember I mentioned yesterday that I dozed off too and let her sleep too much during the day, by 30 mins? We had an EW today too. She had a good night last night, slept from 8:30 - 6 woke up :( I brought her in bed with me to see if she would sleep a bit more and she did thankfully from about 6:30 - 7:30ish. I did an Am nap from 11:15 - 12:!15 (She woke on her own happy) then we had to go out this evening so I AP'd a nap around 3:20.
She fussed so much and didn't want to go to sleep at all, but eventually did and then I had to wake her at 4:20. I thought it was a good day but bedtime was such a struggle again :( I just don't get it. I put her to bed around 8:00ish i thought a shorter nap perhaps slightly less A time than 4 hr? She too until 8:30 :( :( once again I had to AP. I am just so over this bedtime refusal. I cannot for the life of me figure out whether she's OT or UT.
I really want to do the short AM/long PM nap but that makes it quite hard to go out during the day because i feel that if we get slightly delayed she'll be OT for the PM nap. If I'm home it's fine though. But what point do I wake her up. 30 mins? 35? 45?
The other thing I was thinking to make the day shorter with the long AM/short pm option is after the 1.5 or long AM nap, give the lo's 4hr A time, then do 20 min catnap then do bedtime 2 hrs later. So say 11 - 12:30, then 4:30 - 4:50 then 7pm bedtime? Who knows...
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Up at 4:30 today, I'm so fed up with all this. Am nap today after 4.5hrs A, 1hr!! Need another nap at 2ofan hour to makeit to bedtime. X
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So it went...
A 4:30-9
S 9-10
A 10-14
S 14-15:15
A 15:15-18:55... so he's had 2 good naps, a good peaceful bedtime... no OT (that I know of).. so surely there's no reason for another 4-something wake-up!? :| xx
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Julianne I think your boy's body clock is very much set at a particular wake up and its taking a long time to adjust. Have you had any help from the experts? Have they suggested treating it like a NW? I wonder if it would help him if you tried to get him back to sleep within a couple of hours of waking . . would he sleep longer than an hour?
Priya you sound so much like my friend who has a spirited DD. She is having bedtime battles at the moment too and keeps thinking its OT. I know what you mean about the short am/long pm being better if you stay home, or know you'll be home in time for the that pm nap. I think DH and I are very much used to the long am/short pm because those days we spend out and about together DS will just take the pm catnap in the car on the way home. If you do choose the short am they say to cut it back by 15 minutes every few days. So if she's doing 1.5 now, do 1.25, 1 hr, etc.
Our wake up today was slightly better, around 6.30am. I did hear him stir early than that but I'm guessing he's not actually awake . . he's slowly waking up. I wish I had a camera monitor in there! He got really grizzly around 9ish but we kept him busy (he loves to help with vacuuming!) and then had morning tea and by the time we took him to his room he didn't seem too tired, but went down nicely at 10.35am. It is now 11.30am so I'm not doing short am today!! I will definitely wake him up at the 1.5 mark though, which will be 12.05pm. I'll then try for a 30 minute catnap at 4ish and then bed at 7.30pm. Here's hoping that yields a 6.30am wake up at least!
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Hey, yeah he has a very clever body clock sometimes! He can do more than an hour... there was that 3hr nap last week for example where he woke at 1hr mark but went back to sleep on me :o
It's 5am now and I can hear him starting to stir :( xx
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PM nap refusal again today. He just didn't seem tired when I put him down so I should have known better. MUST cut the am nap - can't do it any other way.
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I hate having to cut naps, I feel so guilty waking him! Hope today's better for you!
How wrong was I! He woke just after 5, grizzled a little, I went in once, gave him milk, 45m after waking he'd nodded off again until 7:15 :o can't believe it! Xx
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hi everyone, i've been looking for this thread, so just wanted to mark my spot.
hope everyone has a good day
xx
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Ugh,what a day...
A 7:15-11:30
S 11:30-12:40
A 12:40- ...? 6:30/6:45 ! He refused to sleep at pm catnap andis showing signs of teething argh!! I'm expecting a rubbish night, nw's, ew, the lot :( x
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Omg I've had a nightmare day with T. Crying/moaning all afternoon, bath lasted all of 1min and then he cried and held his breath because he couldn't reach a book he wanted...ugh... bed early at 6pm... (since he refused pm nap) I'm fully expecting ew 4:30am tomorrow and plenty of nw's, he was so tired. I gave him meds for the teething too. God I need a break... xx
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Julianne you poor thing! I don't know what else to suggest . . .
We had an EW this morning (6am from 7.30pm so 10.5 hour night) and he was grumpy all morning . . wanted to go back to bed at 8.30! But I managed to keep him up and he went down just after 10am. Because I work from home Monday mornings I am loathe to cut his am nap so I'm letting him sleep. Am going to try and get him to bed at 6.30pm.
Have been thinking about cutting out the morning BF and wonder if that would help with the EW?
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Hi ladies, sounds like we are all having a rough time :(
Julianna - that sounds like a really rough day/night. How did your night go in the end? I hope he surprised you unexpectedly by sleeping well. We can all hope right?? :) That's all we can count on sometimes I feel!!
Rachel - what time do you do the morning BF? Is it if he wakes at 6ish? I also think there is no other way of doing this switch than to cut the AM nap. But yesterday despite that happening we got refusals at all sleep times. What the heck? DD woke around 7:30 I tried for AM nap around 11:15 she woke on her own at 11:55, then I tried PM nap at 2:55 she fussed to take it but finally did and I woke her around 4:10, tried bedtime at 8 and she had a fit! She cried nonstop for like 5 mins as though she was REALLY mad at me, then fell asleep at 8:15. Crazy child!
She slept till about 1ish and had a brief wake then slept till about 7 this AM when I woke her up. Now that's never happened before.?? I'm all confused.
Dont' know how today's going to turn out.
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Hey, well not too bad... NW@10pm, sarting to stir at 5:10am... I'm happy with that as there's enough time today to get 2 naps in!! 5:15ish isn't bad since he was OT and in bed early!1, 11.5hrs sleep :)
JaspersMum, Your BF early morning could be why your lo is waking early. That's a mega comfort for him, if you don't want to cut it out you could always move it later!? Xx
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Oooh we all had bad days yesterday then! I hope its a better day for us today! Xx
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So much so for that hope. This morning DD had 40 mins at childcare, then only had 50 mins nap at home for her PM nap. I hope and pray she does and early bedtime. That's not enough sleep in a day is it? But she took aaaages to fall asleep for her PM nap, and woke up happy. What does that say? That it was enough sleep?
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Well Tyler only had 1hr15m yesterday and had a pretty good night! Still asleep, 5:30am! I give it another 5mins... xx
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5:45am! :o pretty good I say, 5minutes short of 12hours :) x
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yay!! That's awesome. I keep forgetting, How old's your lo again? My DD is just going to turn 14 months, so I dont' know if she's ready to handle that amount of daysleep yet?
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1yr, 5mo, 1wk, 3days lol, so 17months :) xx
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Hi ladies,
Shock of all shocks DS took a pm nap today. We cut the am nap at 1.5 hours and I know he could have slept longer due to his short night. I put him down after 4hr 10m and he fell asleep 5 minutes later! He slept for 35 minutes and I only think he woke due to noise in the house (we had a computer repairman over). Now here's my theory (and I have many!!): he took a pm nap because he wasn't rested enough from the morning nap and he wasn't rested from the morning nap because he had a short night (10.5hrs). Hmmm . . that's the theory . . who knows if I'm on to something or not! He is a bit grumpy so I'm going to aim for a 7pm bedtime.
DS doesn't get a BF any earlier than 6.30am . . but therein could lie the problem. Julianne your idea is good, I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps I'll get him up, give him breakfast straight away and see if he wants a BF after that . . I didn't really want to wean until he was ready.
Priya you might find your DD makes up for lost sleep tonight. DS tends to do that now . . he had 35 m ONLY one day and then slept 12 hours that night.
Wow Julianne, if DS is doing close to 12 hours you could really start pushing your day forward.
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I'm aiming for7-7 everyday but after yesterdays pm nap refusal it had to be 5:50! Any other day is 7pm where I want it anyway... so oncehe's sleeping to 7am I just need to get him onto one nap! Lol oh the fun... x
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AAAUGH! That was me screaming and tearing my hair out. I swear I have absolutely no idea what DD"s issue is. We also had a shutter repairman at the house which stuffed up her PM nap I think?? But then again she woke up from it at a time when there was no noise. So who knows.
Anyway, this was our day. what do you think. Bedtime issues due to OT? UT? just DD craziness??
Wake - 7 (after a 11hrish night and I had to wake her up this morning. I bet she would've done 11.5/12)
AM nap - 10:30 - 11:10ish (at childcare. UT nap?)
PM nap - 2:40 - 3:35 (tried since 2:15ish cos I thought she was cranky??)
Bedtime - Tried since 7ish (fussed, threw bunny all over the place, only fell asleep around 7:30 after I had to pat her!!)
So far no NWs yet, hope that continues tonight.
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Aw no. I think the first one may have been UT. And the second one OT. I would have tried pm nap at 2 at the latest as the AM nap was only 40mins, 3.5hrs after that nap was probably too long. I hope your night goes ok!
T has just woken, again on the 1hr mark, from his AM nap (10-11). So second nap will hopefully be at 3-3:45, bed at 7pm. X
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Do you know if she was happy/unhappy after that am nap? If she was happy I'd say she was UT but personally I wouldn't be worrying about it as you can kinda guess she would have been UT considering she fell asleep only 3.5 hours after wake up (when she is used to 4 hrs A time). I agree with Julianne that second nap was OT . . if she woke cranky/tired. And bedtime is a mystery to me! I'm still wondering if its pain?
DS was asleep at 7.15pm and went down easily . . he could easily have gone to bed earlier as he was cranky and tired but DH and I didn't get our s*&t together. He's with my mum tomorrow so I'll advise her on naps depending on his night.
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ok, I'm really confused. I can't really post a routine because everyday has been different. DS was having trouble with pm naps, wouldn't even catnap, so i decided to try am 45min nap and then hope for a long pm nap. I thought it would work because one day he randomly woke up from his am nap at 45 min then slept 2.5 hrs (I woke him!) after 3.20 A time. But after that he had some messed up nights then we let him sleep on mornings when we were going to be out in the pm etc so we haven't really had it as a routine. some days he did 2 decentish naps but it seemed to shorten his night sleep, so anyway last thursday i cut his am nap at 45-50 min, was asleep by 3.5 a time and he did a nice 1.5 hr nap. and a nice close to 12hr night. next day he woke by himself at 45, and just would not sleep in the pm, it was crazy. so earlier bed time, 12 hr night, next day (sat) we were going to be out in the pm and figured he was sleep deprived so let him sleep in the am, then plans got canceled and he did a decent pm nap too, but then it took him ages to settle at bed time. sunday, out in the pm so let him sleep in the am and he slept over 2 hours!! earlyish bed time, again close to 12 hr night.
So today i thought i'd give the am 45 another try, put him down after 3.15 A time, babbled for a bit, fell asleep, woke after about 10 min, babbled very shortly fell asleep then woke up crying after 30min. settled, after 5 min started crying again, this happened various times, it really seemed like wanted to go to sleep. I got him up but he was so cranky i tried putting him down again, looked like he was going to settle, but no.
A 7.05-10.40
S 10.40-11.25
A 11.25-14.50ish and then haywire!
So what am i doing wrong? Sherry, on Becky's thread you mentioned he might be ready to cut to 35min in the am, but we haven't even been doing 45 properly, it seems so sudden after 2 decent (upto 1.5 hr naps) to suddenly cut 1 to 35, i think i'm a bit scared of doing that and then him refusing a pm nap! Should I up or decrease either A time? Usually his first A was close to 4 hours but today i did it at less since i thought if he's going to do a long pm nap i want him down by 3pm.
The funny thing is yesterday he seemed to do ok during the pm, he slept from 10.50-13.05 and went to bed at 7.20, so I'm almost thinking dare I stretch his first A time a tad and see if he'll just do 1 big nap in the middle of the day, but I don't know what I'd do with him the whole afternoon!!! aaah I'm so confused, and tomorrow pm i have to have a babysitter so i can go to a lesson, i have no idea how to advise her! I'm thinking maybe i'll just let him sleep as much as wants in the am so he gets a bit of rest at least and if he doesn't sleep in the pm he doesn't!
sorry this is long, everything was going so well i'm just really flustered by all this :(
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just a note that if you are planning on doing a short am/long pm nap approach, you want to keep that morning A time the same before the first nap - don't extend that A time. It's ok if it's a shorter A time and a UT nap - you want a short nap anyway. Most bubs can then handle 3 - 3.5 hrs of A time before the long pm nap - but that's just an "average"
If you are aiming for a long am/short pm nap approach, then you do want to extend that morning A time so that nap is longer. Often in that case, the pm nap is quite late and your bub may only have 2 - 3 hrs of A time between the pm nap and bed.
And don't forget early bedtimes if naps have been wonky - that can be a real life saver. As you have days that are all over the place, try to keep track of how much day sleep seems to result in a better day/better night - knowing that total can really help you as you're going through the transition because you have an idea what you're aiming for in terms of day sleep totals.
I know it's frustrating and crazy, but there is hope on the other side and you will all get there. I promise!
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thanks Michelle, thankfully I don't feel hopeless-especially thanks to this forum.
I think around 2.5 hrs during the day is good, but that's kind of a guess i suppose. If I do long am nap, let's say he did
A 7
S 11-12.30/13.00
what should his next A be? i might try that tomorrow.
Also after a day of bad naps, should I let him/encourage him to sleep more the following day? That's generally my instinct but i'm not sure if that's apt to mess up the following night.
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(Will catch up on posts when I have a minute.)
S 18:40-05:30, no NW's! But tried to get him back to sleep at 05:30, no luck this time gr! I should have kept him up until 7pm :(
Todays plan... 10-11 nap, 15:30-16:00 catnap, bed 19:00. X
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Hi ladies, hope all your plans went well. We ended up having a 1 nap day because DD had a good night (yay! despite that awful bedtime yesterday). She slept from 7:30ish - 6:30 this morning with one brief waking. She didn't want to nap at her usual Am nap time. So I gave her an early lunch and tried an hour later.
Today nap was from 11:35 - 2:50 with one brief waking inbetween thanks to our neighbour deciding to mow his lawn!! Grrr. Anyway she wokeup happy and went to bed at around 7:25. So far has been having a good night lets see.
Is it possible that babies reach a stage where they want 4hr A time regardless of the nap length? I've tried all the 3hr - 3.5hr A times after a short nap and it just doesn't work. I don't know what to do about that.
Any suggestions?
Hope everyone's days went well.
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The time change has really changed everything for us the last couple of days. Chandler has been going to bed at her usual time but waking up an hour early. Because of this, she's been taking these MONSTER naps. Yesterday she slept nearly 3 hours at daycare. That is just unheard of in our world. However, it would be great if she could just keep this schedule.
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DS did 2 1hr15min naps today, i was really pleased for the babysitter! :) as a result he went to bed a bit later than the last few days, it seems that the bedtime is going to change frequently according to what he does during the day. But thankfully it's been producing the same wake up time, which is rather odd really as when i had the bed time stable his wake up times varied upto an hour! I'm still not sure what to plan towards though, just going with the flow for now..
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going with the flow is definitely the name of the game during the transition!! You ladies are doing such a wonderful job supporting each other - I rarely even add anything :) 4 hrs of A time seems to be the hardest part of the switch because the day isn't really long enough for 2 naps with that long of an A time, but it's too long for just one nap. Some mums do a later bedtime for a bit so they can stick with 2 naps, some mums cut out the catnap (or take it to just 15 min) and do an early bedtime. I like my nights, so I did early bedtime and super short catnap. I also did long am/short pm, so that made it a bit easier to cut out the catnap.
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could you give an example of what your routine was with long am-short pm nap Michelle?
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Wow Priya your day yesterday was ideal with that big long nap! Sounds like you are closer than ever to 1 nap land!
DS had a one nap day yesterday but not the good kind. He had a fabulous wake up of 6.50 (I had to wake him!) so had done an 11.5 hour night. I asked my mum to extend his awake time and he slept from 11ish til 12.30ish. I knew he wouldn't be tired in a hurry and forgot to tell her to give him at least 4hrs A time so when she tried a catnap at 3.30 he just wasn't tired. She didn't try again so when I drove home he fell asleep in the car, which was okay as it was his bedtime anyway. He did have a few NWs though between 9.40pm and 10.40pm. In the end I had to give pain meds and cuddle him back to sleep as I don't think his cries were due to OT. He was awake this morning around 6.30am and I don't know what my MIL is doing with him.
I'm definitely finding things easier to manage when I think about total sleep in a day and plan around that.
Thanks for your good points Michelle!
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Hi ladies, Michelle you're so right about the 4hr A time just not fitting in with the day. That's the battle I"m having at the moment, big time!!
Rachel, hope MIL's doing ok with him today.. Fingers crossed!
Last night we had a pretty good night. she went to bed at 7:30 after a 1 nap day and slept until 6 Am, woke briefly but went back to sleep after a cuddle and I woke her up around 7:15.
I don't know if I have to do 2 naps today or 1 again due to the late wake up. She was happy and fine up until about 11:50 so that's when I put her down after an early lunch. Don't know how she will cope! She was happy though and didn't seem OT.
Let's see.
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:o why is he awake at 5:30!! Argh!! He had 2 naps of an hour each yesterday, bed at 7pm, no nw's...perfect... until now!! I'm leaving him in his cot in the hope he'll sleep again but its looking doubtful :( xx
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Julianne, what has his total sleep been in the past 24 hours?
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10.5hrs lastnight, 2hrs yesterday (12.5)
Previous 24: 11hrs at night, 1.5hrs naps (12.5)
We were getting 12hr nights and 1-2hr naps 2weeks ago :( when he was on one nap...:( xx
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2nap routine:
A 5:30
S 9-10
S 14-15:00
S 19:00
1 nap:
A 6:00
S 11:30-12:30
S 18:00
For some reason lately he wakes exactly at 1hr in naps,and I mean exactly to the minute!! :| x
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what's with this 1 hr mark!! DD does that sometimes too. I always thought their sleep cycle were 40 mins. So where's this 60 min transition thing coming from?
So we had another decent 1 nap day today. Last night DD slept reasonably well, except for a brief wake at 6 Am.
last night - 7:30 PM - 6 Am, wake then back to sleep until I woke her at 7:15 this morning
Nap - 11:55 - 2:50 no waking!!!! yay! yay! yay! I couldn't believe it.
Bedtime - 7:50 (I tried since about 7:30 because she looked tired but she tossed and turned around.
I'm getting really scared that we're done 2 days in a row on one nap. So far she's had ok nights. Should I throw in a 2 nap day or just watch for signs of OT and continue the way the routine has been the past 2 days?
And what are those signs of OT setting in?
Julianna, hope he went back to sleep after the 5:30 stirring.
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Nah, he was awake and not giving in! He's napping now (and I bet he wakes exactly at an hour!)
A 5:30
S 10:20-noooooo he's awake!!! Omg! 11:141
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Argh whhhhyyyyy 1hour!! But... on a positive note... *drumroll*...
...I AP'd him back to sleep!! :o that's never happened!! He sometimes, but rarely nods off on the sofa after a nap without me noticing, but actually AP after a nap... never!! I've got the TV on mute because I don't quite believe he's actually asleep again! Lol. Woop!! Xx
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Yay!!! Hope the success continues and you can unmute the TV :)
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Lol I have now, it's not interesting anywho... I think I could ap him every day as he is always waking tired after the 1hr naps... hmm x
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Omg, I just looked at my old posts, and in Feb T was sleeping until 7am+ and March was when he started waking at 5! So it's been 8months, not 5/6 aaaargh, I forgot about all that!! I only remember as far back as his B'day lol :| Ooohhh how depressing... xx
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1 hr naps during the transition often indicate UT, so it may help to increase A time a bit.
Our routine during the switch was constantly changing (as you all well know), but here's a couple we had:
7:30 - wake
10:30 - nap #1 (this was when we first started the switch)
12 - wake (on her own)
3 - nap
4/4:30 - wake (on her own)
7:30 - bedtime
Then I kept shifting nap #1 by 15 min each week and shifting the pm nap by 15 min and cutting it by 15 min....so when things got challenging (at 4 hrs of A time) it looked like:
7:30 - wake
11:30 - 1/1:30 - nap (I let her sleep)
4:30 - 5 (or sometimes 5 - 5:30) catnap and I woke her
7:30/7:45 - bedtime
Then as we kept moving that first nap, she started refusing the 2nd nap so we did:
7:30 - wake
12 - 2 nap (woke on her own)
7 - bedtime
I knew she needed a minimum of 2.5 hrs of sleep, so if the first nap wasn't 2.5 hrs, I'd try a catnap at 5, if that was a bust, I did bedtime at 7.
Once we got to one nap it looked like:
7:30 - wake
12:30 - 3:30 (and sometimes even 4, I never woke her)
7:30 - bedtime
Even then, she could only do maybe 2 or 3 days of one nap and then some OT would build up and we'd throw in a 2 nap day (back to the very first routine) to ward of EWs.
It took us about 4 mos to get fully on 1 nap. I should note that she is a textbook bub, so that made things easier for us.
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thanks so much for that Michelle, we seem to be in stage 2 so to speak, though his first nap is rarely as long as 2 hours so his second nap is a bit longer (today at least :))
Julianna, I hear you about those early starts, DS started doing that last january-februrary and carried on till midsummer until I pushed his bedtime to 7. Because he was up so early I'd put him to bed around 6 but it was just a vicious cycle, so eventually I added a nap to the end of the day and slowly just pushed his bed time, and that's what brought about a later wake up. Do you think you could try something like that, I know what a killer those 5-5.30 wake ups are :(
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Hey, today has been ok...
A 5:30
S 10:15-11:15, AP'd back to sleep 11:30-12
S 15:30-16:00
S 18:45/19:00 ish...
Oh he was SO unhappy that I got him to sleep in his cot again AM, he's not used to being put back down after a short nap... he cried and couldn't catch his breath, but after 15m he nodded off... He woke 30mins later but when I went in (normally he is sitting/standing) he was laying on his front saying "no no no" shaking his head because he thought I was going to make him sleep again lol. I said "playtime now" and he got up lol.
I'm aiming for a 7pm bedtime every night now, and I'm going to gradually move the AM nap later, shortening the PM one :) Hope everyones had a good day/night (whatever it is for you right now!) Here's to no nw's and a decent wake-up time!! Xx
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Hi girls! I've been out of the loop on this thread for a while, and am trying to do some reading, but DS isn't letting me! Is anyone doing the short am/long pm?
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Julianne I think you've got some good advice about pushing DS's A time due to the 1 hour naps and also pushing bedtime later. You might have some success!! I'll be keeping all of that advice locked in my brain somewhere (hopefully!) for when I need it!
Priya I'm so happy for you with the one nap days!! I would say continue with the one nap but if you notice some OT definitely go back to 2 naps for a day or so. She might start doing 10.5 hour nights or increased NWs if OT.
Babyboy some days I do a short am/long pm. I find it cuts into the day a bit though. If I'm home all day I'll stick with long am/short pm. Its taken me a while to figure out the A times after each nap.
DS had another one nap day with MIL yesterday. After a 6.30am wake up he did 2hrs 20minutes (supposedly!) from 10am. He was terribly grumpy from about 5pm onwards and I managed to only get him to bed and asleep by 6.55. We had one NW at 11pm :( He practically did an 11 hour night which isn't bad but it means he was up this morning at 6am. We left him in his cot til 7am. He was very unhappy when daddy got him up and changed his nappy, rather than bringing him to mummy for a BF!! We did breakfast straight away and then BF after. He went to sleep for his am nap at 10am and I'm going to let him sleep til 11.30am.
Michelle would you recommend that when doing a short am that you also cut the A time before that short nap? So, if DS is waking at say 6.30am then the nap should be at 9.30?
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Hi ladies, I"m in a bit of rush but I just wanted to add a few things. Rachel, regarding the short AM nap I have heard that you stick to the same A time they're used to before the short AM nap, but the you need to make sure you shorten the subsequent A time before the PM nap and let them sleep as long as they want for that 2nd nap.
Today we did a 2 nap day. DD STTN from about 7:50 last night to 6:30 this AM. I figured she couldn't do a 1 nap day with that wake. Anyway Am nap from 10:35 - 11:25ish , PM nap from 2:40 - 4ish and bedtime was 8:10. Let's see how tomorrow goes. Do you think that last night was a 10.5hr night due to OT? She woke up super happy and was very good all day long, didn't seem OT or grumpy. So I wonder...
More later ladies, hope you all have good nights/days :)
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that was just what I was going to say about the short am/long pm approach :) thanks :)
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I do find that the short am/long pm does cut into the day also, but I had no choice really. I was doing long am/short pm forever, but then the pm cn got too late and took away from bedtime, or he just refused it entirely. Right now I've gotten him to a 30m am nap. He goes down at 10:30, regardless of wake up time. Then goes down around 2ish. Was going to 3:45, but has been getting shorter (3:25 yesterday). It is actually a good thing, in a way, because I think he must need a minimum of 4hrs A before bed to get an 11 hr night. But...it also means less "me" time, because I'm only getting a 30m am nap and a 1.5hr (if I'm lucky) pm nap. This is so hard...I've read it gets better when they go to 1 nap, but when, oh when will this happen???? How do I get there?
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OMG!! I need a shoulder to cry on. I don't know what happened to my good sleeper. It started a day before her birthday she started increasing her pm A to 4.75 hrs so we were getting bedtime refusal until about 8pm. Then when we sorted that out she wad falling asleep for bedtime with no fuss. During her birthday weekend she had horrible napping and crying to sleep at night which I could understand because maybe of the overstimulation of guests. The week following she slept 2 beautiful naps for my mom from 9-10:20 and 1:30-2:45 so things were back to normal. This was up until last week
Woke 6ish
Naps as mentioned above
Bedtime and asleep by 7:30/7:40
Then daylight savings happened last Saturday so I did w2s at 2 am and got a 7 am wake up (new time) on Sunday and from then on it's been a disaster!
On Sunday she cried and screamed to sleep at 9, 10, and finally sleeping for 40 mins at 10ish by staying with her until asleep. Then she did the same in the afternoon but wouldn't nap at all. I tried an early bedtime of 6 that day and she didn't fall asleep until her usual time of 6:30, but that half hour was hell of her screaming bloody murder which she's never done before.
Now for the rest of the week it's been a battle getting her to nap after 3 hrs A 4, 5, even 6 which she ends up falling asleep in my arms. The moment she enters her room she cries. This all happens during the day, not really at night. So yesterday I thought we had a breakthrough where she woke 6, nap 11-12 and 6:30 bedtime. We were following her cues for the most part and guessing she was ready for 1 nap because of all the resistance.
Well today was a disaster! She would not nap at all, until my dh ytook her to the park to walk a bit and when she came back she couldn't take it anymore that she burrowed her face, I gave her the paci, she cried and started falling asleep on my arms...the moment I tried putting her in the crib she threw a fit, so I let her fall asleep on my arms because I was desperate. That was a 45 min. Nap til 4:10 and she was a mess until bedtime which she fell asleep on her own without a fuss at 6:45.
So I really don't know to get her to sleep in the day anymore without going through this torture ! (and yes she's teething)
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hi everyone, just wondered if any one was any suggestions... my lo is 13mo and has basically transitioned to 1 nap. We were doing long AM nap and short PM catnap but then he just started refusnig the catnap... even when i went walking with the pram which was always a sure thing. anyway, we had a fwe really rough nights and now he's STTN. 6 nights in a row!!! problem is our 1 nap isnt "in the middle" so i know he's OT when he goes to bed. He shouts out at about 9.30-10pm but just one shout and then back to sleep and now he's started waking earlier and earlier and earlier!! at first he slept 6.30pm to 6.30am (whoohoo!) then it was a 6am wake then 5.45 and this morning he woke at 5.20!!! now don't get me wrong i'm not complaining I'd MUCH rather have a full night to 5.20 then 3 or 4 NW ,.... but is there anything i can do?
At the moment our routine is like this (today was a shocker so I'm wondering if today is going to be an OT catchup day....)
yest
wake 5.30
nap 10.30 - exhausted.. I couldnt keep him up any longer... awake just after 12.30...
bed time was 6.... he messed around for probably 30mins just chatting as he does so i think asleep by 6.45....
today he woke at 5.20
we had to go out in the am and came home at 9.30 - he crashed in the car! grr... when transferred to cot he resettled but woke crying (very unusual) about 40mins later and WOULD NOT go back to sleep... so I've just given him an extra bottle this afternoon (at 2.40pm) and amazingly managed to get him to settle for a second nap... hopefully this will be an okay one but i don't want him to sleep too late....
on a whole.. is 5.30 too early to put him to bed and will it result in 4am ish wake ups? or should i just keep trying to stretch out that A time in the am despite when he wakes?
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And that is the line going through all our minds... WHEEEN!! :(
Only a quicky, things to do, people to see and all that!
Yesterday went fine, 1hr nap, 30min nap, bed at 7pm, no nw's, woke at 5:15, went back to sleep until 6:35am!! Woop!! Going to still have to get 2 naps in unless he has a nap longer than 1hr... which I really doubt!! Gr!!
Hope everyone's day/night is going ok! Xx
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That's a great wake up Julianne!! How have you gone with extending the morning A time?
Gemma and Mimi, have you tried the short am/long pm?
We've had two days of long am. Yesterday he did really well and had a 45 minute catnap from about 4pm, BUT he was horrid after I woke him though! He went to bed at 7.30 and was up at 6.30am. Today we went out all afternoon and he just didn't seem tired at 4pm so I kept him up. The plan was to get him to bed by 6.30pm but we were a bit late and he was asleep at 6.50pm. He only started to melt down though at around 6pm so he did 6.5 hrs A time quite well!! I'm sure it will come back to haunt me though with an EW tomorrow! I'm actually going to try for 1 nap tomorrow . . only because I have to drop him off at his grandparents at 4pm as they are babysitting him. Will try to extend his am A time to 4.5 hours at least.
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Hi ladies, you're right, the big question is WHEN!!! I can't wait. I am so over this. I will probably make more sense if I go to bed now and read all the posts properly tomorrow. But I just wanted to say hi. And Welcome to Gemma and Mimi. Rachel good luck with your plan.
Today we had a weird sort of day with 1hr refusal before bedtime. She had 1 nap from 12 but she woke up at 1:40 Grrrr. I just hate that cos I never know what to do with the rest of the day. I AP'd a 20 min catnap from 4:50 - 5:10 but I think it stuffed up bedtime. She just wasn't tired enough at 7:!5 when I tried bedtime. Rachel, remember that point Sherry made on the old thread about 2hr A time after 20 min nap? Well my DD wants to make a new rule for herself with everything!! Anyway she finally felll asleep at 8:10.
I'm not optimisitic about tonight :(
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Oh*hugs* I hate going to bed after a rough day... I always expect the worst for the night. Hope it works out ok.
Well, T's A time the last few days in the AM has been 4:45, today since he got up at 6:30, I thought i'd venture out to our first toddler nct group since moving house! It was 10-11:30am. Got home at 11:40 and he went straight to sleep in his cot (5h10m A). I really hope he has a good long nap, he needs it!
Xx
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Shhhh... look who's been napping for 71minutes!! What's happened to his 60-minute-on-the-dot bodyclock? I think he wore himself out at nct group lol. Xx
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Today:
A 6:30-11:45
S 11:45-13:05
A 13:05-now! It's nearly 6and lo has refused to catnap! He's having his bath and will be in bed around 6:30-6:45, and I bet he's up at 5am!! Gr!!
How's everyone's day been? Xx
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well we had a late wake up, 7.30!! not really complaining but it throws the routine off a bit so gets confusing, so
S 11.20-13.05,
tried for a catnap at 16.45 (was aiming for 16.30 but didn't get home in time :(), finally settled at 17.05 but only slept 15min.
bottle at 19.15, asleep by 19.30, so not tooo bad, i just hope he decides to make up for the loss of sleep tonight :)
I hope you get a lie in too Julianna! at what time did you try for a catnap? i find that it needs to be on the earlier side rather than the late side-but it doesn't always work :P
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7:30,wow, i'd love a wake-up like that!
We tried from 15:30pm onwards, we were out in the car until 17:00 and he didn't nod off at all. That's normally our fail-safe plan! It just didn't work today.
T just woke briefly, because of all the fireworks gr! Hopefully they won't go on too late.xx
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He woke at 5am, went straight back to sleep... until my oh came home and woke him up at 5:45! Grrr!! Definitely a two nap day today and a 7pm bedtime. Xx
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So we've had a one nap day as planned. DS actually did really well to extend his first A time - he managed 4.75 and I actually think he might have been able to go longer, but to avoid OT, I put him down at 11am. He only slept til 12.30 . . I was hoping for at least 2 hours. Does anyone know what that means? If we were home tonight I would plan for a 6.15pm bedtime (as wake up was 6.15) but he is with his grandparents so who knows when he'll fall asleep. I'm also dreading picking him up and bringing him home . . last time he wanted to party all night long!
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Hey, hope your evening went well and lo wasn't too OT after going to his Grandmas!!
How is everyone else doing?
Today has been like this:
A 05:45
S 10:20-11:20
S 16:25-16:55
S Well,hopefully bedtime between 7/7:30pm
He fought so much again today to take that pm nap, we tried from 3pm+ eek. I think he's getting so close to needing that one nap, but then he only sleeps 1hr arggh!! Xx
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7:30pm bedtime, no NW's, 6am wake-up!!!! Woop! Slowly getting there! xx
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That's wonderful news Julianne!!! :D
DS went to sleep around 8pm at his grandparents last night. We woke him to take him home around 10.30ish and he was back to sleep about 1/2 hour later. No crib parties thankfully!! We did have an earlier than expected wake up though of 6.10am ???
I was very tempted to do a short am/long pm today but couldn't bring myself to wake him. We did:
Wake up - 6.10am
Nap 1 - 10 - 11.45
Nap 1 - 3.15 - 3.50
He's now in bed and its 7.20 so hopefully he'll be asleep soon. I figured he wouldn't refuse a pm nap considering he only slept about 10 hours overnight.
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That's good he wasn't wide awake when you got home!
Today;
A 6:00
S 10-11
S 14:30-15:15
S 19:00 (hopefully!) Was aiming for 7:30pm but he woke early from his nap with proper teething troubles :( Given meds and just having bath now. Xx
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Omg I realised why he only slept 45mins... I only went and put him down for his nap an hour early! What a numpty!! :o Oh well... lol xx
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Hope you all had good weekends!!
Today:
Up at 5:30am!!
S 10:30-12:00 (he woke at exactly 1hr, again! And fell asleep on me for another 30m)
S 16:00-16:30
S 19:10...
How's everyone getting on? I've gotten T's first A to 5hours now. I'll leave it at that until the weekend then try 5:15, and 5:30. Tonight he should sleep ok as we've not had nw's for a few days :) but then he was up at 5:30 today so I am expecting the same again :( xx
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Upat... wait for it... 4:40am! Yes you read it right. My OH got in from work and woke him up grrrr! I'm so annoyed and so tired of all this :'( I don't see whyi getto be up 17hrs a day, do all the childcare, housework, night wakings, everything, and OH gets a few hrs at work then a nice 11hr sleep... :( xx
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HI ladies, I"ve been a bit out of contact for the past few days. We've had to abandon all our 1 nap day success because DD is teething something major!! She's already cut through 2 molars and has 2 canines possibly 3 on the way.. AAAAUUGGGGH!!! She has been so whingy all day since sunday and really really tired so we've really had to cut back our A times and are definitely on 2 naps.
But I'm still trying to do the short AM and long PM nap. Her wake up times have varied each day, but around 7 -7:30ish. But she's still sleeping at 10:30 for the AM nap, and then 2:30 for PM nap, then bedtime around 7:45. But one good thing is that she has just gone to sleep so easily it's been great! Tonight however she was up to her old tricks at bedtime so I wonder whether it's a sign she's getting back to normal. We'll see how tomorrow goes.
Julianna, sorry to hear you're having a rough time :( Hope it goes better for you tonight.
Rachel how are you going?
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Hey, T is teething too, he got 4 canines last week and has some molars coming too :( x
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Oh, and his first nap today was 1hr 30mins!! He slept past 60mins woohoo!! Teething has meant 2nap days for us too for the last 3weeks :o xx
A 4:40
S 9-10:30
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Hello ladies, not much to report other than we are getting EWs, am doing the long am (1.5 hours) and short pm (30-40 minutes) but not enjoying it as DS is very grumpy after I wake him from that pm nap and he is a terror until i get him to bed. Am considering trying a few 1 and 2 nap days.
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Aw hope it gets better for you :( *hug*
Well, yesterday was like this;
A 4:40
S 9-10:30
S 14-14:25
S 19:00
No NW's and he's still sleeping now, it's 5:45! (providing OH doesn't wake him up coming in from work gr!) So I figured,LO needs a long AM A (yesterday wasn't long but he was really tired) and a shorter than 30m nap PM to get a good night. He wasn't OT by bedtime, went straight to sleep as normal... ?!I'm going to drag him out until 11:30 for a nap today (12 even if he wakes after 6am) and see how it goes xx
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That's a great am nap Julianne!
I've decided to slowly extend DS's first A time by 15 minutes every 3 days or so and eventually get rid of the catnap. Will let you know how it goes!
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Yeah that's pretty much what I'm trying to do too...
He woke at 6am woop!And I'm sure that's just because of OH coming in 2 mins beforehand, but hey it's better than 4:40!! I'd be happy with 7pm-6am every day!!
So, 6am wake, I'm going to try 11:15am for his first nap, I bet it'll be 60minutes though :/ xx
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He went down fine at 11:15, slept until 12:20. Going to have to give him catnap at 4:30-4:55,bed at 7:15ish. X
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19:30-6:00, no NW's again! Yay xx
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DS managed 4 hours A time this morning so nap at 10.30am rather than just after 10am. It was a struggle though getting him to that point! He slept for 1hr 45m. I didn't bother putting him down for an arvo nap as he wasn't tired til around 4.30pm and we'd decided to have an early tea at 5pm due to DH going off to work. He was grumpy around 5-5.30pm though. He was in bed and asleep at 6.30am so I hope I don't get an EW!!
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Julianna, YAY!! That is such great news. YOu must be sooooo relieved.
Rachel, that sounds like a good 1 nap day too :) double yay!
We are still struggling along here. I am not sure what to do with DD anymore. Our routine for the past week or so has been:
Wake - 7ish
AM nap - 10:40ish - 11:25/11:30
PM nap - 2:35 - 4ish
Bedtime - anywhere between 7:45 - 8
She's just been so cranky the past few days that I tried puting her to bed early. Today that backfired and she was lying around playing until 8:20 :(
I am so sick of these teeth. Feeding her is such a nightmare. She fusses, pushes the bowl and spoon away, and today got so mad she pushed her spoon so hard I had a pumpkin shower :(
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Teething is so hard sometimes isn't it. My lo seems tp bw teething less the last few days.
So first nap today 11:10-12:35!! After 5h15m a time! Good naps seem to be making a comeback yay. Must have been teeth causing his sixty minute naps!! Xx
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Hey how has everyones day been? My little monster has been harder to get to sleep for his PM nap the last few days, and today, in perfect napping conditions (optimum A time, pushchair, dark/night time setting in, rain as white noise) he screamed blue murder and downright redused his nap. He went to bed, easily as ever at 7pm.
A 6:00
S 11:10-12:35
S 18:50 :) Yay!
...though I can't guarantee no Nw's/Ew's tonight!! :\ xx
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We have had a horrible day so far . . not so much with naps but DS's mood! He is so whingey! I think he is teething again . . I wish these damn molars would come through! He was asleep by 6.30pm last night after missing his catnap (my fault). I think he was awake between 4.30am and 5am . . possibly because of the heat . . we are going through a heatwave of about 7 days of 39 degrees! He went back to sleep thankfully and was up at 6.30am.
Wake - 6.30am
Nap - 10.10 - 10.50 (this was in the car on the way to kindergym)
Nap - 2.10 -
Here's hoping he sleeps for at least an hour!
Julianne, good to hear things are improving!
Priya doesn't it get annoying when they refuse their food!! DS has been a bit like that lately, come to think of it!
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Just a quicky...
No nw's!! But up at 5:30, a combo of OT, stupidly loud rain :o and OH banging the front door! Its actually a good day to wake early as now his naps will fit well with our toddler group and things today! Lol. So I'm not disheartened, it'smade things easier hehe. I'm going to give him a 30min nap on the way to toddler group @ 9:30-10, and a nap at home at 12:45-2pm. Bed at 7pm+ xx
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I am RAGING. I spent ages getting me and Tyler ready to go to a toddler group,the only thing that keeps me sane... the theory was a 30min catnap on the way in the pushchair.Got him in there, didn't even get to the end of the road. He screamed like someone was trying to kill him. Really loud to the point people were staring from the other side. I'm so angry with him. So now we are stuck at home. Brilliant. I put him in his cot and left him because I was that angry. I realise how hard it must be for people with multiples now, 1 is challenging enough! Gosh sorry I needed to vent! Xx
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And because he's in his cot,he fell asleep, and now he's having his long nap early, there's no way I'm waking the monster early from it. He'll just have to have a longer A time before his catnap later. Uuuugggghhhh.
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Hi! I don't have time to catch up on all the reading, but I'm jumping back in here. My Mikey is 15.5 mos. We are STILL not on one nap. Have been doing the 20m am nap the past few days, and he absolutely hates being woken up at 20m!!! I have been getting a long afternoon nap, though, so that's one good thing. He's sleeping about 10.5 hrs at night, no matter what I do. We seem to have been all over the place with wakeups over the past month or so.
Today I got a 6:40 wake up, so I decided to try for one nap, just to see what happened. Put him down at 11:15, and he was asleep by 11:25 (after some babbling, of course!) He woke at the 35m mark...classic for him if he's OT!!! He did go back to sleep, though...fingers crossed.
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Hi! I just want to jump in so I can follow along as we are in the midst of the 2-1 as well! H is 14 months, we've been doing the 20 min nap for about a month now. We get a 1.5-2 hr pm nap but we still get 10.5/11 hrs at most at night. Comes with the territory I guess!
Kara, sounds like we're in the same position as you! Unfortunately we get a 6am wake up :( But we make H stay in bed until 7 and he usually does well only crying out on occasion.
What is the next step after the 20 min nap? H does between 3/3.25 hrs after his 20 min nap and then 4 hr to bedtime. He goes to bed really easily so I can't imagine he needs more A time before bed. I don't know if bedtime gets pushed back or am nap gets cut. Seems like we run out of hours in the day!
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I don't know what the next step is, but today I tried for one nap after 4.75 A, and it did NOT work well! Woke after 35m, back to sleep, woke after the next 35m. He was really crying, so I got him up. We will have to do some type of nap this pm, since there is NO WAY he can make it until bedtime on that crappy nap!
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Argh 5am again! Wwwwwhhhyyyy! It probably doesn't help that his day was this:
Wake 5:20am
S 9:30-10:15
S 13:30-14:00
S 18:00-18:15
S 19:00... 3 naps!! No NW's but EW again today :( xx
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Hi Julianne,
sorry about the bad day yesterday, it's so frustrating when they make life hard for themselves not to mention us!
as you said he had 3 naps yesterday but only at a total of 1.5 hours, is that normal for him, it seems little to me. The EW was most probably OT maybe you should give him a couple of days of not waking him up from his naps and let him catch up? Don't know if that would work for your DS, he is older than mine, but that's probably what I'd do for a day at least. Also I think on days like that when you need that 3rd catnap you should probably try earlier. Because by 4 hours he's probably tired enough to do a decent nap and so just getting 15 min after that isn't cutting it. try after 3 hrs maybe, that way he has at least an hour or 2 before bed.
hope today is better despite the EW
xxx
k
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I never wake him from naps. He has 30 mins if we are out, for some reason will never sleep past 30mins in the car/pushchair !? And his long AM nap he wakes himself at exactly one hour, sometimes stirs and carries on sleeping, but normally wakes at 60mins. I have put him down for a nap at 10:10, he should sleep 60mins, and will have another 30m later. 1hr30m is normal for him at the minute, its all a mess. And he only had 10hrs last night :o x
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Hi! I just want to jump in so I can follow along as we are in the midst of the 2-1 as well! H is 14 months, we've been doing the 20 min nap for about a month now. We get a 1.5-2 hr pm nap but we still get 10.5/11 hrs at most at night. Comes with the territory I guess!
Kara, sounds like we're in the same position as you! Unfortunately we get a 6am wake up :( But we make H stay in bed until 7 and he usually does well only crying out on occasion.
What is the next step after the 20 min nap? H does between 3/3.25 hrs after his 20 min nap and then 4 hr to bedtime. He goes to bed really easily so I can't imagine he needs more A time before bed. I don't know if bedtime gets pushed back or am nap gets cut. Seems like we run out of hours in the day!
After the 20 minute nap, the next step is usually to drop that and go to one nap! I kept with the 20 minute nap until the day when DS just refused it, and put him down later on for one nap, albeit a bit early in the day.
So if he is doing -
First A 3 - 3h30m
nap 20 min
Second A 3+h
nap 1h30m - 2h
Last A 4h
Bed
Then what will likely happen is that one day he just won't go down for that first nap, and then you abandon at a certain point in time because it starts to get too late for that little catnap, so just don't bother with it! He will then likely be ready for sleep sometime around 4 - 4.5h A time and will hopefully sleep a minimum of 1.5h, but really what you need to make it through the day is 2h....but that can take a bit of time for him to lengthen that out. And, then bedtime might have to be earlier, 4h after he wakes from that nap, even if that is early in the day. Hopefully he will make up the missed day sleep by tacking it on to his night.
We were fine on that for a few days and then DS was shattered in the morning at his old catnap time (930-1000) so I would let him have it. And then a later 1.5 hour afternoon nap. For the first two weeks or so I watched him carefully to see if he was tired for the catnap or not, and if so, then I put him down, if not I held off for nap until 1100/1130 and do an early bedtime (530/600) if he didn't take a 2 - 2.5 hour afternoon sleep. I think there were more days WITH the catnap than without. So he would sort of do a one nap day every 5 days, then after a while it became every 4 days, every 3 days, every second day and so on. Now he is onto one nap, with a two nap day happening once every 6 or 7 days.
Hope that is helpful!
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That is quite helpful, mashi! Thank you!
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Hi everyone,
Bleugh - such a bad day :(
Could you post your current routines for me with your lo's age as I am having a head spin and not sure which way to turn with A times etc. I looked in toddler routines but a lot of them are for much older bubs. Mine is 12.5 months. Thank you xxx
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Mashi, thanks so much...that was really helpful. Guess I didn't know the 1 nap is so close!!! I think our pm nap issue was he wasn't getting enough down time before nap. We were getting home from play groups just in time to get ready for bed. We've had 2 days in a row (knock on wood!) where he's gone down beautifully :D
Henry1: Our routine looks like this
awake between 6am and 7 (usually between 6/6:30) but he happily stays in his crib until 7 when I get him
nap 1 10:10(ish)-10:30 (I wake him)
nap 2 1:30-3:30 (usually have to wake him)
bedtime 7:30
H is 14 months old now and we've been doing the 20 min am nap for 2 weeks now. At 12 months he was teething 4 teeth at once so our routine then really wasn't what most other 12 month olds were doing. After he was done teething I think it was something like
up at 7
nap 1 10-10:30
nap 2 2-3:30/4 (made sure he was up by 4)
bedtime 7/7:30
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Hi Becky :)
DS is 13.5 months, here's our rough routine
Awake 6.45-7
nap 1 10.45/11-12.15/12.30
nap 2 3.30-4.45
bottle 7.15, asleep around 7.30
he seems to swing back and forth with the 2-1 thing, like today i put him down at 10.45 he slept till 13.10!!! which worked out well since we were going to be out in the pm but on a usual day i'd be confused about the pm nap since it's still a long stretch till bed time. one point he was really difficult with the pm naps even after a short am nap, now he's back to 2 decent naps. everchanging :)
Julianne, my DS doesn't sleep more than 30 min in the pushchair either, i think the longest he's ever done is 45 min-even as a tiny baby. I don't know your history but could the 60min wake up mean OT? with us it generally means OT.
xx
k
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Henry1, our routine looks like this (DS is 13 months)
Wake - 6.30am (at the moment!)
Nap 1 - 10.30 - 12
Nap 2 - 4ish for 30-40 minutes
Bed - 7.30pm
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to get that pm nap in though . . as its a busy time of the day with getting dinner ready, etc. I also find that when DS is taken care of two days a week by his grandmothers they don't bother giving him the pm nap and therefore he is a wreck around 5ish. The other day we did this:
Wake - 6.30am
Nap 1 - 10.10am - 10.50am (in the car on the way to kindergym)
Nap 2 - 2.10pm - 3.55pm
Bed - would have been 7.30 but we were out late!
Hope that helps.
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Well, LO has been getting up at 5-5:30am the last few days :( He's been sleeping through though, no NW's! Yay! Today I have managed to get him 2.5hrs sleep!
Wake 5:30
Nap 9:10-10:40
Nap 14:50-16:00
Bedtime... well,I guess it'll be 8pm, oops! He woke @30mins (pm nap) and fell asleep on me for another 30mins :| hopefully he'll be ok at bedtime and sleep to a reasonable am time!! :) xx
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Julianne here's hoping your later bedtime and more day sleep gives you a later wake up!
We've had a rough few days with DS being extremely OT from two late nights (gone to bed at 9.30pm/10pm). He's had only one nap on those days and both have been over 2 hours so he's been refusing the pm nap. Its been our fault of course - can't really have a social life and expect a happy baby can you?
Last night he fought bedtime for about an hour - I know he was yelling at me that he was so tired he couldn't relax. I had to cuddle him to sleep in the end. Thankfully he slept in this morning til 7.15am!! So not sure what to do with naps today. Won't be doing one as I don't want to put him to bed early. I think I'm going to go with short am/long pm. Trying to fit a short pm nap in around 4ish is just too difficult for us. I think we'll try:
Wake - 7.15am
Nap 1 - 10.45am - 11.25am
Nap 2 - 2.40 - 4ish
Bed - 7.30pm
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Hi everyone! With our almost 12 month old we have been getting 1 hour am and pm naps, and lots and lots of NWs, so I'm wondering if I should try and extend the A time before his am nap? Or does someone have another idea?
If he wakes at 7, we aim for:
nap 10-11
nap 2-3
bedtime 7 (but he sometimes often won't fall asleep till 9, so I'm wondering if he's OT?)
Thanks!
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Dawn I think extending his A time before his first nap would be a great idea - that is if you want to do a long am nap and a short pm nap. So you would perhaps give him 3hrs 15m or 3hrs 30 minutes and then let him sleep for about 1 and half hours.
Wake - 7am
Nap 1 - 10.15 - 11.45
Nap 2 - 3.15 - 4.15
Bed - Depending on how he copes with this last A time, you could try anywhere between 7.15 and 7.45.
OR, if you want to go with short am/long pm, you would keep his morning A time the same, but wake him around the 1 hour or less mark, perhaps at the end of one sleep cycle which is 40 minutes. You'd then have to play around with his next A time. For his age it could be 2hrs 30m up to about 3 hours. For his second nap you could wake him at the 1.5 or 1.75 hour mark and then make bedtime say 3.5 hours from wake up.
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Thanks Rachel. I tried making his am nap 45 min instead of 1 hr today, and it didn't go well. He took 40 min to fall asleep for the pm nap, only slept for 30 min, and wouldn't go back to sleep. So I am trying to figure out if I should try for a long am instead. Thanks so much for the example!
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5:30am on the dot... WHY are we back to 5:30am again even after the clock change, aaaaargh!! He wasdoing 6-7am a couple weeks back :( I don't know what todo anymore.
Think I'm going to try cold turkey again, put him on one nap, it's just the problem of a 5:30 start and long day :( help!! Xx
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Dawn, how much A time did you give him before the pm nap?
Julianne, maybe you should just bite the bullet and do one nap . . I think you'll have to be consistent though so his body clock gets used to it and he slowly starts the lengthen the nap. If he did a 5.30am wake up, can you do nap at 10.30 and then bed at 5.30pm?? Once that's consistent you can try moving forward your day by 15 minutes every three days or so.
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Yeah I'll have to do that I think. We did that a while back and he got OT, but he now goes without that pm nap sometimes so I'm sure he'll cope... 5:30pm bed was the only time he ever slept 12hrs! :) x
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Hi ladies, I've been out of touch for a few days, mainly because we've had nothing new really to add. DD's still teething big time. Canines # 2 and 3 are just about to cut through.
I've been wanting to go on the 1 nap but it's just not happening. Today at childcare she slept for 1.5hr for the AM nap. And then again for 1 hr at home for PM nap. She was just sooooo tired I didn't have the heart to wake her up. what are the chances I pay for being nice with an EW tomorrow?? :) :)
Julianne, sorry to hear you're back to EWs again :( I'm wondering whether it's an A time thing now. HE's almost done teething right? Perhaps he's ready to up his A times again?
Dawn, as Rachel said the A time before that PM nap when it's a short AM nap is critical actually. So it might take a bit of working out to get the right one. Good luck with that.
Rachel, how are you going? is DS over the teething now and eating better? IT's so rough isn't it? we are going to have a late night this saturday..i'm not looking forward to sunday :( !!
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Yeah there's nearly no teething signs at the moment... he's sleeping a lot better at night the last week with no nw's. But the ew's are back!
I got him to bed at 6pm tonight so he should get 11.5hrs and be ok to up the A time in the morning and just have one nap :)
We had a bedtime fight for a little while, until I realised Daddy had left a toy on that had a bright red light on it gr! Xx
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Rachel, we tried for an A time of 2hr45min, but it took him so long to fall asleep, he ended up with a 3.5hr A time. :-\
I let him sleep for his usual hr for the am nap again this morning because he was up so much last night. Went for a 2hr45min A before the pm nap again, but he didn't fall asleep until he had an A time of 3hr15min. Then took a 1hr8min nap. Any ideas as to whether his 1 hr naps are OT or UT?
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Up @ 5:40am, he woke at midnight, but I only needed to stick a dummy in and he went off again. So he had 11.5hrs sleep.
Todays plan;
A 5:40
S 11:00-12:00+
S 18:00... so really he needs more than an hour nap, but realisticly going by his recent naps it could be 1hr minimum... (though 2 days ago he did 1.5hrs!).
I just want to add, I'm not ignoring everyones posts, it's just that I don't even know myself what I'm doing half the time, so definitely don't have any help to give out :( If I knew what I was doing, Tyler wouldn't have been still waking at 5am 8months on... So please forgive me for appearing to randomly pop up sometimes! :) hehe xx
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No worries Julianne . . we get it!
Dawn, I'm not sure about that nap. I've read that naps around an hour could be UT. You are really in that territory of having to play around with A times, so if I were you I"d keep experimenting. If you let him sleep for 1 hour in the am, you probably have to try a 3.5 hr A time after that. If you keep to around 40 minutes for the am nap, 3hours A time after might be good. But not sure . . you have to try a few different scenarios and it all depends on previous sleeps.
We've had another relatively good day with short am/long pm. Bedtime is still a bit wonky though, but we are coming off a bad weekend:
Wake - 6.35am
Nap 1 - 10.15 - 11am
Nap 2 - 2.25pm - 3.55pm
Bed - 7.35 but didn't go to sleep til 8.05!
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Rachel sounds like my LO has been talking to yours and telling him how to keep playing up at bedtime! What do you mean wonky? Is he crying or just tossing and turning not being able to sleep?
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Argh 1hr nap! Just trying to get him to nod off again :( its so frustrating sometimes. I want to just walk out when nothing's going right :'( xx
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Priya I think he needed more A time after his pm nap. The previous night he'd had 11 hours sleep, plus a 45 minute nap and a 1.5 hour nap, so I should have guessed, with all that good sleep, that he would need at least a 4 hour A time. Should have put him down closer to 8pm as he was tossing and turning and having little cries . . in the end I went in and put my hand on his back and he relaxed and fell asleep.
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Soooo I'm waiting for the joys of NW's and 5am get-up...
A 5:40
S 11:00-12:00
S 18:10
:| a rather long A time at the end but that was our forgetful fault! :( how has everyone's day (or night) been?? Xx
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Soooooo annoyed! >:(My MIL has DS today at our place, as is the arrangement every Wednesday. My DH works from home so is in and out. Together they have completely stuffed DS's morning nap. I told them to wake him around the 40 minute mark, and admittedly, I didn't say that he would be grumpy and would need a lot of cuddling/distractions, but they freaked out and have tried putting him back to bed!! :o
Just wanted to vent . . .
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Oh no!! I know how you feel! Hope the rest of the day was ok after that.
Well, we had a NW at 9pm. I only had to go in twice to replace his dummy, so not sobad really. Up at 5:40am again! I'm going to do the same routine as yesterday (nap 11am, bed 6pm) xx
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He didn't go back to sleep, which was a good thing! PM nap at 2.20 til 4.25! Got him to bed a little late at 8.10 and asleep by 8.20 but woke crying an hour later! I think he had a tummy ache as he was lifting his legs and rolling around - probably something my MIL fed him! Back to sleep a half hour later! I hate it when he's like that!
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Well, T went for his nap,got woken by the postman after 45mins! Gr! got him back to sleep on me in the end,so annoying though!
A 5:40
S 11:00-13:10 (5m wake in the middle)
S bed should be 6-6:30ish! :) xx
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Gorgeous pic Julianne!
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We are having a weird day! DS woke at 6.50am after only having 10 hours sleep overnight! He was happy though all morning and had 35 minutes in the car on the way to shopping this morning. I had to go out and DH put DS down at 2.25pm and he was quiet for a few minutes and then protested majorly to being in the cot! I got home at 3.25 and he was watching The Wiggles! Its now 3.50pm and he does not seem in the least bit tired!! What do I do?
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Oh I don't know! My lo has done that before and I just put him to bed early :|
Well, T went to bed at 6pm, with no NW's, and woke at 6:10am!!
So today, second day of 1 nap, which will be 11:30, and bed at 6 again :)
I thought i'd show you where he was napping yesterday, why go in the cot when mummy is on the sofa lol. X
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Hey Rachel, I'd also say put him to bed early. We also had a weird sort of day today.
Wake - 7:20
nap - 12:35 - 2:05 (woke up seemed very happy and wouldn't AP back to sleep)
Bedtime - 6:40 and keeping my fingers crossed for a decent night. 1.5hr nap all day doesn't seem enough right?
Our naptime should have been a bit earlier but we got delayed at Dr. Appt. Grrr I hate those!
Cute picture Julianna :) sleeping so peacefully. Glad your 1 nap days are working out. Hopefully one of us is there already!!
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Well today is only day 2, and I know already that he'll wake at 60mins for his nap... it's just a case of whether I can get him to nod off again! Xx
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...day 2 is going too good for my liking!
A 6:00
S 11:25...still sleeping at 12:55! What's that all about! Lol where'sthe 60minute nap gone?? Bed will be 6 atleast tonight, probably 6:30! Yay! Xx
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...maybe after 8months I finally got the right A time! :o thing is, he doesn't cry if OT or UT... so that makes it so hard to tell if he is ot/ut or not... he just goes straight to sleep regardless! Hmm... in a way it would be better if he cried at bedtime then i'd have a clue lol.xx
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2 HOURS!! 2 whole hours on his own, and what did I do, nothing! No cleaning, no cooking, nadda! Lol.xx
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So today has been great. A very happy boy.
A 6:10
S 11:30-13:30
S 18:30
Tomorrow may be a different story though as we have playgroup 10-11:30am, so nap won't be until 11:45ish...hmm I hope he doesn't get too OT and end up napping for only an hour :( Anywho here's to day 3...
How is everyone? Xx
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4:50am!! HUH!! Help! :( I guess 2hrs day sleep is too much for him. Yesterday was perfect and now we get an ew again. I'm gutted. :( xx
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Good to hear some good news Julianne!
We are having a good day too, which is thankful after yesterday. DS was asleep by 6.40 but woke about 45 minutes later and cried for about 5 minutes before going back to sleep. He also cried out at 9.30 but I didn't have to intervene. He woke around 6.30am this morning but happily stayed in his cot (don't know if he dozed) til 7.15am.
Today we have been out to kindergym so he slept in the car from 10.15 til 10.55. I was really worried he wouldn't go down this afternoon but he did easily at 2.30 and is still asleep. Will definitely not let him sleep any later than 4pm!
I am thinking the shenanigans yesterday afternoon were the fact that daddy hasn't put him down for a nap for some time and therefore probably didn't do enough of a wind down or give teething gel, etc!
Julianne I just saw your new post . . maybe he is OT and his body just needs to get used to the new 1 nap routine? Maybe you have to really give the 1 nap a good week or so for him to settle into a new pattern?
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How do I do 1 nap when he's up around 5am? :| :( xx
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So agreed with OH to do 2naps every 3rd day for a few weeks, or atleast every 3rd: Will do 1 nap every day that he wakes 6am or later. That's the plan, only way to keep me sane! X
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Today,well, there's been lots of sleep!
A 4:50
S 9-11
S 16:30-17:00
S bedtime should be 19:30/45
2.5hrs day sleep! Eek! Xx
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Woop! well I was expecting nw's the lot. No nw's, up at 6:15 :) xx
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Sounds like all that day sleep helped him catch up!
I'm so sick of having to wake DS and him being grumpy!
Wake - 6.35am (after an 11 hour night)
Nap 1 - 10.20am - 11am (woken)
Nap 2 - 2.50 (took him 20 minutes to fall asleep . . don't know if he was OT or UT?) - 4.35 (woken - we let him sleep as we went out tonight)
Bed and asleep 9.15pm
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Have just found a cut molar!!! Gee its a good feeling when those teeth cut . . and its the one I wasn't expecting - thought the other left one was bothering him more and therefore would cut first but its the right one. Hurry up left molar!
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Ahhhhhhhh tired!! Yesterday was perfect, woke at 6:15am,another 2hr nap! Bed at 6:45pm. And then he woke every hr in the night, he seems to have come down with a nasty cold. He's all snuffly and trying to keep his dummy in and breathe at the same time! So tired :( xxx
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Yay for the teeth Rachel! I am waiting for my LO's 2 upper canines to pop through. Wondering whether that's the cause for her nap problems. I wish this 2-1 would finish already. I am SO SO over it!
Julianna, poor you! Hope you have a better night tonight.
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Canines are bad aren't they. We've not had much teething since they broke through a while ago.
Today:
A 5:00 (some point after 5 we gave up trying to get him to sleep and just deemed today a 2nap day!)
S 9:30-11:30
S 16:00-16:30
S bedtime will be around 18:30, and he's full of cold so am expecting lots of nw's!! OH working all night so I'll be a zombie if lots of nw's again! :o
Hope you've all had good days! Xx
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No nw's! :o but up at 5am :( he's not well so I don't blame him.xx
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Well I think I'm on to cutting the am nap from 40 minutes to 30. I got pm nap refusal today, so early bed tonight.
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Ah nap refusal is the worst! we've had some mega refusals recently. But it's a pain when you suddenly have to rush to get them to bed early.x
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Sure is. I had DH yelling at me to let him finish off his bits and pieces before getting DS in the bath!
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Ah they don't get it. It's like: uh-oh no nap, oh no! We must do dinner NOOOW GO GO GO!! Hurry up, bathtime!! Lol xx
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I realised that T's 2hr naps only started a few days ago, just before he came down ill,and I really hope they don't go back to one hr when he's better :o eek! X
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A 5:00
S 9:30-10:45
S 14:45-15:30
S 19:00
Hmm 2 hour naps are GONE!! Argh!! X
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He was up at 6am today woop! No NWs and I'm going for one nap today... he has a cold still but has been running round like normal, but with a stuffy nose and cough,so he shouldn't be much more tired than normal... X
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Julianna, sorry to hear DS is ill :( But yay for no NWs. I wonder when I can ever say that again :( These teeth are way too bothersome.
Rachel, can't believe you are down to 30 mins in the AM now!!
Today DD did a total of 1hr 50 mins on daytime sleep. Have no idea whether that's too much or enough? We'll see what time she wakes tomorrow. Can't say I"m too enthusiastic about the night :( Last night was awful, poor little thing kept waking up and crying in pain. I gave some meds but didn't seem to do too much good.
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Priya have you tried nurofen? Sometimes better than panadol.
We got pm nap refusal AGAIN today. We got an early wake of 6am (although I probably can't call it that as he had 11.5 hours sleep) and then my mum said he didn't go down til 11am!!! Only slept 45 minutes though. She tried a pm nap but no go. I am very tempted to say to MIL tomorrow to just do one nap 4.5-5 hours from wake up.
This is all doing my head in!!
I think from Thu though I will try out my 30m am nap plan.
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Good luck with the short naps.
*sigh* I sent my OH out with lo lastnight at 5pm totry and get him 15m catnap to get him to bedtime, and OH came back 30mins later!! So LO was up an extra hr and went to bed at 7:30pm :o was expecting a rough night but no NW's, and up at 5:50 :| not too bad I guess. Xx
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Have had a very weird few days . . two days of 40 minutes of day sleep only (pm nap refusal) then a day with MIL and he has 3 hours day sleep!! Today woke at 6am after a 10.5 hour night so thought I'd take him for a walk to get his 30 minute nap but it didn't happen - that pram aint as good as the car anymore! So got home, had half his lunch and then put him down at 11am! Waiting for him to fall asleep now . . .
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We've had funny naps too, 3 x 30mins on Tuesday, 2 x 30mins yesterday, and he's not even had 10hrs sleep in the night (7:30-5:20!) So in the last 24hrs he's only had 10hrs50mins!!! EEK huge OT cycle I think... :( xx
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Gee those 30 minute naps are weird!!! Definitely sounds OT!!
DS slept for 2 hours 20 minutes!! Bed at 6.30pm . . but not yet asleep!
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Wow your lo had a great nap!
Trying to get T to sleep,been up 4hrs and thought early nap was a good idea, but he's been moaning for 4m when he would 99% of the time go straight to sleep. I bet it'll be another 30minute nap... ugh. We even had 30m of sleep-fighting before bed lastnight. That's not happened for MONTHS! Even with OT/UT always straight to sleep or quiet. I feel like we're back to square one at 11months! Just don't have the energy or patience for anything at all today.xx
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A 5:20
S 9:20-11:20 (2hrs woop!)
S 18:00 (REFUSED pm catnap big time!)
He's gone to bed OT as he properly refused to sleep pm, little beggar... I expect we'll be up at 5am after several nw's, ugggghhh... xx
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Hey ladies, sorry I've been out of it for a few days. We had a couple of rough nights. But guess what last night she STTN!!! Unbelievable :) it was STTN number 5 in her whole little life. She woke up at 6:40 Am so I couldn't really do a 30 min AM nap today because I didn't think she could get through the day. So I did a 45 min Am nap then 1.5hr PM nap and here is surprise number 2. She got to bed today in just under 10 mins!! No 30 min monkeying around.
yay! Here's hoping for another good night tonight. But what's to say there won't be any NWs?? I'm not holding my breath!
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wow that's fantastic! Good luck for the night!
Well it's nearly nap time... T was up at 5:20am again today but no nw's, pretty good after no pm nap and bed at 6pm! X
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We've had a pretty good day too (apart from an EW) . . lots of sleep but I'm sure he needed it.
Wake - 5.45am
Nap 1 - 9.20 - 10.30 (woken as we had to go out)
Nap 2 - 2.30 - 4.15 (thank god he took it!)
Bed - 7.20, asleep 7.30
I have an idea about setting nap times. I'm thinking of ending his am nap at 11am, regardless of whether he starts this nap at 10, 10.15 or 10.30. Am also going to have him in bed around 2.15 so that he's asleep by 2.30, then nap til 4 and he can be asleep by 7.30 which is my optimal bedtime, hopefully guaranteeing a wake up of 6.30/7.
Hmmm . . if only it were that simple.
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Lots of sleep, blimey! Wish T would catch up!
Nap was only 30minutes! :( he's still got the nasty cold and finding it hard breathing with a dummy in.
I give him ibuprofen, Vicks Vaporub, he has an Olbas Oil fan thing that blows out menthol, and I raised the end of his cot... you would think that would be enough lol. Xx
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So today I found another molar that's all swollen . . bummer. Thought we'd have a bit of time between the top two coming and the bottom two, but obviously not. He was very unhappy this afternoon so I had to give meds and he's finally asleep. We got a better wake up today.
Wake - 6.15am
Nap 1 - 10.15 - 10.45 (in the car)
Nap 2 - 2.20pm - (had been trying since 1.50pm but was crying in pain) - lets hope its at least til 3.50pm.
We have friends for dinner tonight so it will probably be a late one.
Julianne hope T is feeling better today!
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Uuuuggghhhh... I'm so sick of all this. His naps have been 30mins unless we manage by some miricle to AP a longer one. There have been some 2hr naps randomly placed but not as many as i'd like... :( EW's of 4:50 today, normally around 5am recently. He's going to bed 6:30-7pm so not getting much sleep, lastnight only 9.5h!! He's having a nap now (after 4h10m) which was a little fighty. We never had crying but recently he's REALLY fighting pm naps and sometimes bedtime too :( I know he's sick, this cold is lingering but he's getting there slowly... but it feels like we're back to square 1...minus NW's which is the ONLY good bit! (can't remember when the last nw was!)
Hope everyones getting on better than us, all 2 nap days at the mo because of cold/ew's! :( xx
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4:30am!! Waaahhh! :( the only good thing is still no nw's. :( another day screwed, it HAS to be 2 naps :( help! Xx
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I think we've got major teething over here. Naps and bedtime are a struggle and I'm worrying he's getting dependent on me to fall asleep.
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Sounds like us! Xx
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Hi, DS 12.5mo seems to starting 1 X nap. Mostly he would resist the afternoon nap that would make him OT. He wake up around 7am and has his first nap at 11am. Tried to move it to 12pm several days back but then he got very very OT. His nap time would be max of 1h, means that he would wake up at 12pm. Im worry if I allow him to sleep at 4pm would disrupt his bedtime sleep ( I want to keep it at 7pm ). Any advice would be appreciated.
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Hello, maybe try a short nap at 4, of 15-20minutes, that shouldn't disrupt bedtime.
Well, up at 5am today. I'm so tired, 1NW, I don't even know what time that was. My OH and I agreed that today we will try 1 nap, at maybe 10:30, and bed at 5:30-6pm. He should catch up then with a 11.5-12hr sleep. I know it's2 naps making him wake early, but it's just figuring out how to get one nap from such and EW!! :( xx
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Hi ladies, we had some internet trouble over the weekend. Just wanted to catch up. Rachel, we are also having major teething dramas still. Really awful nappy rash. But I don't know if I stumbled upon something. The past few days I have ended her PM nap time at 3:50 no matter when she got to sleep. And bedtime has been a lot easier, and she has been falling asleep around 7:45. Although today she was crying a bit so I think teething was a problem.
Julianna, sorry to hear the EWs are continuing. Don't we all deserve a break sometime or the other! :) :)
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T has had awful nappy rash too, horrible isn't it. I think he hasbig Molars coming in! His Canines are through but starting to come up more... oh the fun! Atleast he's pretty much over the cold. Naps are so random now,from 30m-2hrs!
He's napping now... A 5h10, S 10:05...
If... that's a huge *IF*, he sleeps 2hrs,then. He can go to bed around 5:30-6pm tonight, hmm, don't think it'll happen... xx
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Can't wait til all his teeth are here!!
Tonight was better though, I must admit. Gave meds 30 minutes before sleep. He was with my mum today and did two 1 hour naps. Bed at 7.15 but not asleep til 7.30 . . just babbling to himself.
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Argh
A 5:10
S 10:05-10:35
S 11:00-12:15
So 1h45m total, but broken by 25m waking...stupid postman may aswell have thrown the post at the door from 100yards! Gr! So now I don't know what to do, I think bed at 6pm at a push,hmm...xx
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Hey, yesterday T had a short AM and long PM nap, sleep at 7:45, up at 5:35am today... better than 4/5am... but still too early :( xxx
How's everyone doing? Xx
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We're struggling. No amount of playing around with A times and naps is making my nights or my bedtime antics any easier. I tried the 20 min AM nap, the 30 min and I'm still at a loss :( But sounds like you had a good day yesterday, although today started too early! It's always a no-win with these kids isn't it?
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Sorry to hear things aren't going too well Priya.
We've been a bit better over here. The teeth aren't bothering him as much. We've had two days of a 35/40m am nap and a 1.5/1.75 pm nap. I'm noticing though I really need to keep the am nap to 30m and the pm nap to 1.5 to not get an early waking. I have to be careful about how I arrange his 13 hours of sleep in a 24 hour period. As for A times we are doing:
Wake
4 hrs A time
30m nap
3.5 hrs A time
1.5 hour nap
3.5 hrs A time
bed
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Hey Rachel, I'm finding that as well. I really need to do the 30 min AM nap looks like it. But the problem I'm running into is that after her PM nap she just won't go to bed in anything less than a 4.5 hr A time! Then the day gets waaaaay too long for my liking. BUt I just can't seem to think of a way to move that PM nap up anymore because she had a bad night last night after I tried a 20 min Am nap day. But maybe the problem in that was that I didn't do the right A time after that short AM nap before the PM nap. But she had a good PM nap and woke up refreshed at her usual time but ended up having a really bad night.
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Sorry will catch up on Sunday...so busy!! Ugh.
Well T is definitely teething... joy!
On a good note his cold is gone yay, and he woke at 6am today and had 30m AM nap, 1hr 20m PM nap,bed at 7pm. So not all bad! Hope you're all doing ok. Xxx
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Hi Ladies,
I hope you don't mind me jumping in. DS is 13 months and after struggling with Multiple night wakes for months (even with a short am nap and longer pm) I finally decided to try 1 nap. Actually DS made that decision for me when he refused his morning nap yesterday :) so he woke at 7, napped from 11:40-1:15, woke up happy, then went to bed by 6:40. I didn't hear a peep out of him (so so rare) until 4 am when he decided it was time to get up!! So does this mean DS isn't ready for 1 nap or that I need to stick to 1 nap but change things?
Thanks for reading this. This 2-1 stuff is so hard!!!
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Hi Brodster'sMommy!
We've had a few of those days where we can easily do 1 nap. I hear that once LOs can do 4.5 hours A time then you can try a few one nap days and then a do a few 2 nap days to catch up.
I don't know all your circumstances but your 4am wake up call may have been due to OT. You probably needed to do a 5.45pm bedtime, i.e. 4.5 hours from wake up.
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Thanks for your response! Yesterday I tried pushing one nap again. Pretty much the same schedule and he's woken up every 2 hours tonight. It's currently 5 am and I just put him back to sleep but I can't sleep now. :( I'll try 2 naps today and see what I get. I'm super scared of early bedtimes though! I've never put him down before 6:30pm.
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Ok. I tried 3 times to put him down for a morning nap and he screamed his head off. So I waited until he was tired and he finally fell asleep at 12pm! I'm already dreading tonight. He usually doesn't take a nap any longer than 1.5 hours. Should I shoot for a 6pm bedtime? Or earlier? Or later? How do moms do this!?!
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Hi Broadsters Mommy, sounds like my problem. We made a sudden switch to one nap when DS starting refusing his afternoon nap and won't sleep at all a second time during the day. He now gets up between 6.30 and 7 and goes down 5 hours after that. Then depending on the nap which varies from 1 to 2 hours he either goes to be early or not. But I only let him have about 4.5 hours after the nap. Thats meant many nights down at 6pm and it really doesn't seem to cause him to wake up early at all, in fact if I get hime down early he sleeps better.
Just now am having different issues with teething and a sore tummy but if I can just get that one nap consistently to 2 hours will be happy. Try the early nights they seem to help us.
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Yeah, from what I've read when you jump to one nap 'early bed is king!'. I'm scared too of doing bedtime much earlier than 6.30pm! Will be dreading that once we go to one nap! But like Mama T said, LO will probably sleep better.
I think too, once you are on one nap consistently for around 2 weeks, they get used to the new schedule and will start lengthening their nap and being much happier - so I'm told!
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Can just about keep my eyes open uugh...
Welcome to the board Bnroadsters Mommy!
Well yesterday LO woke at 5am. We had to go visit family with OH's parents so we weren't at all incontrol ofwhen he slept. He slept 45m in the car at 9:15am (we weren't in our car) and he was awake until 4pm!! he slept until 5pm, because they bloody went the long way home, so was up until after 8pm. He then woke at 1:30, 2:15, 2:30, 3, 3:30am and up at 5:25. -lm so tired, OH been at work all night,not back until 11:30pm so I'm still on my own for a good few hrs yet. I'm not going with T in their car again. They ignored when I said T needed to sleep, and it messed the whole night up! ARGH!! Xx
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Gosh Julianne, what a terrible night! Don't you wish sometimes you could forego the get togethers and have no social life so your LO can sleep well?! Sometimes . . . !!
We've had a screwy 24 hours . . great naps yesterday but shocking bedtime, and then today I let him sleep too long in the am to make up for last night but it backfired and I got no pm nap so bedtime tonight is screwed up too - all thanks to the social life!
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I said to OH before we went that he'll have to tell his Mum that T's sleep is important at the minute, but she kept saying "he'll sleep all the way home" ...er yeah you have him all night then next time! See how much you take notice of his sleep then! Lol.
I dont know when to do a nap. He only had 9hrs sleep, not including the NW's... so prob only 8-8.5 :o
Ugh so sleepy. Hope your night goes ok.xx
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A 5:20
S 9:00... 11am still asleep!! Obviously needing it :o x
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2hr 10min nap at 9am!! Eek! X
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Sorry to hear about your day Julianne. Your MIL sounds just like mine! She babysat DS last night and when I told her to put him to bed at 5:45 she thought I was crazy. I have no idea what time he went down last night (I should ask her) but DS had no NW! And that was on a 1 hour nap! He even slept till 6:45 this morning. I cannot figure this kid out.
So how do you get your LOs to nap longer than an hour?
Julianne, so after his long AM nap, what are you going to do for the rest of the day? Just hoping to learn :)
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Hey my MIL (well, not yet!) had T a few months back and he slept until nearly 7am! Funny eh.
Well, he fell asleep at 3:10 in the pushchair for 30m, so woke at 3:40... now it's been 2h45m and I've just put him down but he's not going to sleep. Normally I do 2h30m after a 30m nap and he goes right to sleep. I guess the AM nap powered him up and now he's wide awake argh!! It's going to be one of those nights again!!
A 5:30
S 8:57-11:10
S 15:10-15:40
S... well...soon I hope!!
Xx
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Hey ladies, sounds like everyone had an eventful weekend, including me. DD had a bad napping day on sunday, and absolutely refused her PM nap. THen today she didn't have her usual AM nap at childcare. The earliest I could put her down at home was after 5hrA time. I thought she'd sleep well, but she slept 1hr 15 mins and then didn't want to sleep at all. I put her down at the earliest time she would go to bed, 6:25PM.
She did this yesterday as well as today. She woke up 2hr exactly after falling asleep and crying. Is 2hr a sign of OT? I thought only 1hr was.
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Just want to report in my final results before leaving this thread:
Chandler has now completed the 2-1 nap transition after about 6 weeks. The time change really helped push it along, I think. She is now sleeping between 1.5-2:45 hrs for her daily nap and sleeping at night for 10.5-11.5 hours. She regularly sleeps 2+ hours at daycare now, which is awesome. The 5.5 hour A time is the key to a long nap for us. She slept nearly three hours Saturday after being awake 5.5 hours. However, yesterday, she fell asleep in the car after only 4:45 hrs A time, so she only slept an hour after we got home. Being able to push her to stay awake 5.5 is the secret to a long nap.
Hope you ladies don't have to be on this thread much longer!
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That's great Ashley! Hope we all have the same success... And just as quickly. I dread this 2-1 thing is going to go on forever.
Last night was miserable! DS fussed until midnight. I even gave him Tylenol and it didn't make a bit of difference. Then he woke at 5:40 for the day. I think I'm going to drop him off at MILs for a while :) I think we need to play serious catch up today. It's 9am and he's already rubbing his eyes!
Shresmommy, I wonder the same thing. Sometimes DS will wake crying after a long nap and then the next day he'll have a short nap wake up happy!
Hope things are going better for everyone else.
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No better here. We had great naps yesterday but overnight was terrible. NWs at 11.30, 12.30, brought him to our bed at 1.30 but none of us slept til close to 4am then up for the day at 5.45am. Must be teeth!
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Gosh, that sounds pretty similar to my night Rachel. But I couldn't tell whether it was due to the bad napping day yesterday or not. But the funny thing is she woke up at 3:30Am and I brought her to our bed too, and then she started singing nursery rhymes and chatted until 4:30AM nearly! I kept drifting in and out of sleep, but in the end she wanted to be cuddled to sleep. Gosh I cannot for the life of me figure out my LO.
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Shresmommy, I feel the same about my LO. I don't understand him at all.
Here was our schedule for yesterday:
A 5:40am
S 9:15-10:15
S 2-2:45
S 7pm
He woke 3 times which is a huge improvement from the last few nights we've been having. the 3rd time he woke (@ 2am) I gave him a bottle of 1oz milk and 3oz water. (I am slowly weaning night feeds atm. Got into a terrible AP the last month and trying to get out of it) Then DS woke for the day at 7am this morning! I am beyond confused but think I'll try again for the 2 nap thing and see what I get today. However I'm going to try a short am and long pm otherwise I fear he won't take his second nap since he "slept in" until 7am. If I can get another ok night I'll try for 1 nap the next day.
Do any of your LOs ever wake up thirsty at night?
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That sounds like a decent day for you :) Brodster's mum. My LO does wake up thirsty some nights. But I always keep a bottle by the bed and offer it to her. IF it's only thirst she's waking from she goes right back to sleep.
Well we had a 2 nap day today because after a horrible night she woke up at 6:!5 Am. No way she could make it through on 1 nap. Here was our routine:
wake - 6:15
AM nap - 10:!5 - 11:20 she woke on her own. I let her sleep for longer than usual because we had a Dr. appt.
PM nap - 3:15 - 4 I did a short nap and woke her at 4.
bedtime - She was up to her usual tricks again. I thought after a short PM nap she would be easier with her bedtime antics. but NO!! I tried puting her down at 7:30 she took till 8:15 to finally fall asleep.
I feel like it's a no-win situation with her these days!
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Well teeth weren't to blame for our bad night on Monday - DS was unwell with a virus - very congested with sore ears. He was soooo sick and clingy yesterday I had to stay home from work. Last night we were back on track though and today he's been much better.
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Oh poor bubs! I hope he continues to make a good recovery. It's so hard when they're ill isn't it? I feel so bad for them when they're sick. Poor little things.
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Poor guy! I hope he's feeling better soon. That was great you were able to take time off work to be with him.
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Thanks ladies. We had a good night . . it was the first night in a while he went straight to sleep and didn't need me to help him get to sleep. I was trying to do up his sleeping bag and he was grunting and pushing my hands away as if to say 'mummy leave me alone I want to sleep' I did hear him through the night but didn't have to get up to him.
He was very grumpy this morning though, after his action-packed day with his grandmother yesterday no doubt! Barely made it to 3 hours A time! I let him sleep 30 minutes and he is down now for his big nap.
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Jaspersmom, what kind of schedule is your LO on? Could you post it for me? I'm curious since he slept so well!
I had a rough day with DS. Both of us did a lot of crying. He wouldnt nap! Just screamed his little head off. Finally crashed in the car at 5. Then up at 5:30 for dinner and we struggled to get him down by 7:30. He woke up every 30-45 mins screaming like I've never heard before. We had a busy morning and I'm wondering if that's what created the whole mess yesterday.
*this is a side not but he's had diarrhea for the last 10 days. Is this all a sign of something? My dr says it's nothing to worry about but I don't like that he's had it for so long.
Today were playing catch up. Lately that's all I feel I do. I also think after the holidays are over that I'm going to wean the paci. I really don't want to though!
How is everyone else doing?
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Hi ladies,
Can I join you??? DS is 13.5 months and we are struggling with this whole 2:1 thing and have been for a while. He has been doing a 35 min am nap and then a longer nap later which is max 1.20. I would love it to be longer but he is a chronic short napper and always has been really. Seems to be fine at night but we get early mornings due to early bedtimes due to short naps! Anyway - wondering how to move forward as today was shocking. Refused am nap after 3.45 A time (usually around 3.45-4 hours - will not go down before) Ended up sleeping after 4.40 A time!!! Messed up the whole day really as his middle A time is long too - have tried to get him down earlier but won't go. So he did 2 x 45 min naps all day....not sure how to move on. Should I cut the am nap more or try and make it his main nap???? Confused x
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Hi Brodster'sMommy and Henry1 - sounds like you've been having a rough time indeed.
Brodster'sMommy that diarhoea sounds a bit weird, I would definitely be getting a second opinion on that. Could it be gastroenteritis? If he's got diarhoea and is screaming more than usual he could well have a bug. Or perhaps he has an allergy to something?
This is the schedule I try and stick to 5 days of the week. The other two days my mum and MIL have DS and they do what they like, despite my repeated attempts to get them to follow his routine!
Wake up - 6.30am (hardly ever later than this, sometimes earlier)
Nap 1 - 10ish for max 35 minutes
Nap 2 - 3.5 hours from wake up, so usually around 2ish
Bed - 3-4 hours after wake up, so around 7ish (he doesn't need a long A time here like some kids)
At night he sleeps from 10.5 -11.5 hours and we only have NWs if he's sick or teething.
Henry1 my advice would be to try one nap if your LO can handle 4.5 hours A time in the morning. You might want to alternate some 1 and 2 nap days.
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Gee, I let him sleep this morning for an extra five minutes or so (so he had close to 40 minutes in total) and it completely stuffs the pm nap!! Beware ladies! The littlest things can have a huge impact!
By stuffed up I mean that I put him down too early for his pm nap, so it took him ages to fall asleep and then he woke early probably because he was OT by the time he did fall asleep!
Wake - 6.20am (after an 11.5 hour night)
Nap 1 - 10.11 - 10.49am
Nap 2 - put him down at 2.20 - fell asleep at 2.40 - woke at 3.15 cranky!
Will have to try bed at 6.30!
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Hey Rachel, oh no I hate that. We had a couple of days like that last week as well...just 5 mins can make SUCH a big difference. It sounds crazy doesn't it? Sometimes people wonder whether I'm just nuts when they hear me talk about DD"s routine.
I realised the only place I will discuss these things from now on is on this BW site. No one else seems to understand!! :) :)
Well as you may have read on my other post, DD had a 1 nap day today. and I put her to bed at 6:30 and she fell asleep in under 3 minutes! Can you believe that?
Henry1, I would also agree with Rachel and just give a 1 nap day a go if your LO can handle that A time. Just one other thing, when I did cut my AM nap short with my LO I had to really push forward the PM nap a lot and make certain I didn't let that middle A time end up too long. That just seemed to backfire on me all the time if I didn't keep it to under 3.5hr. But that could just be my LO being strange!! :)
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I think I am slowly but surely losing my mind over DSs sleep (doesn't help that I'm pregnant! :))
Last night he was up all night. Half the time I went to him he was standing in his crib, paci in his mouth, screaming at the top of his lungs - really high pitched. I took him to the dr this morning and they find nothing - they don't even see teeth coming in!
I tried something new yesterday:
a: 7am
s: 10-11
s: 2-3
s: 7
he was awake/fussing/crying from 12:30-3am.
I've tried a short AM , long PM nap but DS never slept longer than 1.5 hours (rare occasion). I've tried one nap. I've tried 2 - 1 hour naps. I'm totally lost.
If you were me, what would you do?
Today he woke at 7:45 and was out cold by 11:40. I'm going to let him sleep as long as he wants and see what happens. I feel I have nothing to loose anymore.
Please help me!
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I'm gping to join in to share my experience. My DD started the 2:1 napping since she turmed 12 months. At first I was in tears over her being a mess in the PM. Then like previous post I tried short am long PM and vice versa, lengthening am A and it was backfiring with EW. So I noticed that she won't do long A without getting OT for the rest of the day. I stopped trying to do the recommended during this time because my DD has never done well with these strategies, so I follow her cues and she has her long AM nap after 3-3.25 A and will NOT nap in the PM, but she'll lay there, play, relax...down time during her usual PM nap she would usually take and surprisingly is in a good mood until it gets close to bedtime. She still takes a PM nap some days when I offer it but as she is getting older she seems to refuse it more. Don't get me wrong I still get Ew here and there because it is a looOong A before bedtime, but we manage and she seems to get caught up somehow. I am waiting for her to lengthen her am a time and then she'll take a midday nap. This is how I'm keeping sane for now during this crazy time.....who knows I'll be coming here crying later, but for now her AM nap is predictable...hth
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Brodster'sMommy - could it be separation anxiety?
Did you wake him from either of those 1 hour naps? I think it is okay to wake him from at least one of them, so if you are waking him in the morning, best to let him wake himself in the pm.
Sleeping for 1.5 hours in the pm is perfect if he's doing around 30 minutes in the am. I think expecting more than 2 hours of day sleep during this transition is unrealistic.
I think you need an expert . . can you get more help by posting a question on the main board?
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Brodster's mummy - I really feel for you. I hope you get some help. We are having a nightmare too and I am just so exhausted. I don't think Henry could cope with a one nap day but it is hellish trying for 2 so maybe we will just have to. Most days I have to drive him to sleep as he fights it so much but I know he is tired. He is so high maintenance at the moment - demanding, fussy etc. I also cannot talk to anyone as they are fed up! I wish I had a plan to at least try and follow...
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Henry1, I posted a new topic on the message boards and already had some great advice.
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=161356.0
(hope I posted the link correctly. I can't do things as well on my phone. )
I'm going cold turkey to one nap. I am so sorry your having such a hard time too. I would never wish this one anyone! DS is also super high maintanence as it is but even more so lately. And lack of support from friends whos LOs easily trasitioned to 1 nap is so dissapointing. Thank you Lord for BW!! I hope your situation improves quickly. Keep us updated on the progress. What is your schedule like atm?
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well the last 3 days have been hellish and today he slept 1.10 in total despite us trying to get him down for longer. He justs fights sleep in his cot but then at night goes down amazingly well. Weird...
Before it all went crazy he was doing...
Awake 6 (between 6-6.30am)
S - 9.45-10.20
S - 2-3pm
Bed 6.30pm
He is quite random and his day changes quite a bit tbh. We have been slowly shortening the am nap to shorten the second A time as it is loooong even with a fairly short nap. Problem is he has never napped for long so if I shorten it too much in the am his total day sleep is low...
Anyway - there is no way he is anything but OT now after the last 2 days....
Will check your post - hugs x
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Hi everyone,
we are still plodding along okay. Wishing I could get later wake ups though, and finding DS more tired in the mornings than usual, like ready for a nap after 2.5 hours almost! Yesterday we did:
Wake - 6.20 (after an 11 hr 40 minute night!)
Nap 1 - 9.50 - 10.20
Nap 2 - 1.45 - 3.15
Bed - 7.25, asleep by 7.30
Was hoping he'd wake later than 6.30 but no . . got 6.25
I know I have to push back his am A time to 4 hours.
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Hey everyone sorry I've not been on for a week!! I have a thread going and have been busy on there (I know one or two of you have read along).
Long story short: After 10months Tyler is on 1 nap. Decided to go cold turkey. He sleeps about 2hrs, sometimes less/more...
A 5:30
S 11-13:00
S 18:30
Today, day 6, he got tired early and has gone for his nap at 10:30, so will have an early night. Back to normal tomorrow hopefully. Once he's been on this routine for a month or so, we will begin sleep training when he wakes at 5:30 and hopefully he'll start sleeping later and we'll shift his day. (Although I quite like a long evening!)
Hope everyone's ok, I'll read posts tonight.xx
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Am so thinking of jumping straight to one nap . . . We had a late night last night so I let DS sleep 1.5 hours for his morning nap. He's now down 4 hours later and he aint sleeping! I knew letting him sleep would bite me in the a@#!
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Hi everyone, sounds like a rough weekend all-around for us. I think my LO has suddenly made a jump to 5hr A time. We went cold turkey to 1 nap late last week but then the weekend was all messed up. Today she went to childcare but didn't sleep for her nap until we got home at 12:30, nearly after 5.75hr A time.
But I think I also let her sleep too much today. Cos now 4hrs later she also didn't sleep in time for bedtime.
I wish we could all have an easy transition to one nap. How come everyone l know has no issues? Brodster's mom, you're right, Thank goodness for BW!
Hope you're having an easier time Henry1. Sorry I can't be of more help! I am clean out of ideas today for all of us.!
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Shresmummy, I don't know any people who have had problems. My sister has 3 kids they all went to 1 nap easy, as did friends kids etc.
We had problems for 10months so you're not alone. I tried a few times to go cold turkey to one nap but ended up with OT after 3/4 days. This time it's been a week and he's finally fine with it at 19months old!! It takes time. Xx
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DS slept a blissful 12 hours last night! Probably the 2nd or 3rd time he's ever done that! Went to bed at 6.30 and woke at 6.30 - that was after a 1.5 hour nap yesterday from 10.30 - 12.
Today the poor thing didn't nap until 1pm!! My mum's fault. He only slept 1.5 hours and, though happy, he had red eyes by the time I picked him up at 5.30. Put him to bed at 7.10pm . . he cried for five minutes and I had to lay my hand on his back for a good 10 minutes before he fell asleep. He was lying down like he wanted to sleep but I think he just couldn't relax . . OT due the morning!
MIL has him tomorrow . . I'm going to suggest she do one nap.
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Can I join you ladies? It looks like the 2-1 switch has caught up with us......sigh. Luckily we don't have any nap refusal yet - just EW any time from 4.50am! Going to start pushing the am nap forward on Friday so we can have a good run at it over Christmas since he's not back at nursery until after Christmas, although he always takes 1 nap at nursery and seems to do OK, some days a bit OT if he hasn't napped well. Wish me luck!!
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Jaspersmom, that's fabulous news!!! Are you sticking to one nap now? Hopefully MIL can get him down sooner next time :) I hope it continues to go well with you. Keep us all updated!
Welcome Rach321! You've come to the right place. Seems we are all caught in this 2-1 switch. Good luck pushing for to one nap. Keep us posted with your progress and what works/doesn't work. We are all learning from eachother.
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Hi Ladies
Wondering if I can join. My little Madison is 13months old and we are so close to one nap. She does a nice long am nap followed by a 20min CN. Last month we had frequent NWs and it took me a while to realize that she needed less day sleep and more A time. Her nights have improved drastically except the odd for the odd screams, which I think are her molars.
Here is our routine:
wake 7:05am
A 7:05-11:20am
nap 1 11:20-1:20pm
A 1:20pm-4:40pm
CN 4:40pm-5pm
A 5-7:30/7:45pm
bedtime 7:30-7:45pm
There are some nights when she has lots of energy and will go to sleep close to 8pm.
Right now she is handling 4hrs and 15 min of A in the morning. The last few mornings she has been stirring/in and out of sleep between 6:30am-7am. I am not sure if she is getting a little OT or if I should push out her first A time again. Tonight, for instance she was very very cranky so I had to put her down 10min earlier. Should I leave her A as is for the moment?
Any ideas?
thanks so much
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Hi ladies,
Well we are suddenly and finally in 1 nap land, although I wasn't planning it til after xmas! There are positives and negatives so far:
Positives:
He's sleeping longer stretches at night (11.5, 12 hours)
I'm not stressing over waking him/trying to get a pm nap in
Negatives:
I think he's majorly OT so when it comes time to have his bedtime breastfeed, he is screaming blue murder (maybe he's weaning too? but then he doesn't even want a bottle), and then when he goes in the cot, needs me stay in the room til he falls asleep
Admittedly the last three days have been haphazard. The first day and today his pm A time was way too long (refused pm nap first day, today he wouldn't go down) and yesterday his am A time was way too long (my mum put him down tooooo late).
Will see how we go!
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Oh that sounds good! We've managed 8days of one nap, and today it seems OT is creeping in and he's hopefully going to have a little CN later today.xx
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Can I please join in, too, ladies? My dd will be 13 months old on December 24th and we're in the midst of the 2 to 1 transition, also.
A few weeks ago, I shortened my dd's 1st nap to 1 hour because the PM nap had become such a struggle. And it worked great for a couple of weeks. But then her 2nd nap started to get shorter (1 hour down from 1.5 or more), so I cut her AM nap down to 50 minutes. This worked by extending her PM nap to about an hour 20 minutes but it only worked for a couple of days. Now we seem to be back to square one. Yesterday and today, she was protest whining for over a half hour in her crib before her 2nd nap, despite the fact that I shortened her AM nap even further to 45 minutes, AND didn't even bring her to her room until 3.5 hours after her first nap ended. I don't know what to do now. I'm not even sure if she's OT or UT. Her nighttime sleep, though has been good. Here's what her schedule today has looked like so far:
6:30 woke up
10:00 first nap
10:45 woke her up
3:00 (she didn't fall asleep until 3 this afternoon b/c she protest whined for almost 40 minutes after I put her in her crib)
7 - 745 bedtime (depending on how this second nap goes)
Does anyone know where I should be going from here? Should I be shortening the AM nap even further? Should I be jumping to just one nap? I feel confused, especially since her nap habits seem to have changed so quickly. As I said, just a few weeks ago, she was doing so well with a one hour morning nap and a great 1.5 to 2 hour PM nap. Does it sound normal to you that things have changed so rapidly? Again, my daughter will be 13 months old on December 24th.
Thank you so much for reading!! I can see that we're all struggling and in need of attention, but if you have any input for me, I'd so appreciate it!!
Katherine
Update: She is still sleeping and is approaching 2 hours for her second nap so perhaps it isn't yet time to further shorten her 1st nap. But why did it took her so long to settle down for it? Thanks again for reading!
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Just a stab in the dark but could she have protested for 40 minutes before the second nap because you put her down too late? I would think after a 45 minute nap that she could only tolerate around 3 hrs A time, so I would have put her down around 1.45ish. If this helps, stick with the 45 minute am nap. Don't be surprised that its happening quickly! My DS was down to a 30 minute nap at about 13.5 months after starting the 2-1 at about 10.5 months.
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I could try taking her to her room earlier but I'm just not sure. She ended up sleeping for over 2 hours so clearly she was tired. She had a really bad nap day yesterday so maybe she was making up for it. I could try shortening the A time a bit. Thank you, Jasper's mom!!!
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Sorry ladies, I've been a bit busy the past few days. Just quickly wanted to say hi before I have to rush off again. Rachel, that is great news!! I hope the transition continues smoothly for you. We seem to be in a trend where we will have 2 or 3 good 1 nap days then an EW so we have 2 naps for that day. But I think the EW days are due to the 6hr A time before childcare day naps. I'm hoping that now for the next 3 weeks since I"m home I can do the 5hr A time on either side and get her body into a good routine.
Welcome salty queen and sabs. hopefully we can support you through this transition! I have to rush off now, but promise I"ll be back later and read your posts.
Good luck everyone.
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Arrrgh we have a 4.50am wake up call this morning! Still its the last day of nursery for a week and a bit so I'm hoping we can get the solid 5hr A time either side of a 2hr nap sorted before he goes back! On the plus side he sleeps soundly from 7pm till 5am so I guess that's a good thing but he was definitely OT last night nefore bed so might go for an early bedtime tonight. Its difficult when OH doesn't get home till after 6pm, so it means they don't have much time together.
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So day 4 of one nap and we're doing well. He is teething so I get now why he's been hard to get down the past few nights. Tonight was bliss though as I medicated! Here was our day:
Wake - 6.10am (after a 10.5 hr night - not impressed - thinking OT)
Nap - 11.05 - 1.35!
Bed 6.40, asleep 6.45pm
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Wow that's a great nap!
Today is day 9 and we had to go for 2 naps as he was up at 4:40am! He napped from 9-11:30, and 4:20-4:50, bed at 7:25... now with any luck he'll be up at 6 and we can have a good few days of 1 nap again. It's virtually impossible with 5am wake-ups. And we have figured (for now) that 2hr naps come after 5h A's!
Its looking busy on this thread! Xx
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It's been a while since I posted - Ive been busy on my own thread. I thought DS had made a smooth tradition over to 1 nap and then he got sick. Such a bummer. Poor little guy is coughing so hard he throws up. Yucky bug. Any routine we had going was thrown out. Now I'm on 2 naps trying to get him rested up since he spends most of the night awake and crying. Poor guy doesn't want to lie down. So I'm in limbo for now. Hopefully DS will recover quickly so we can rest up before the Holidays. I could use the rest too! I haven't seen bags like this under my eyes in a while :)
Glad things are improving for some and I have my fingers crossed for everyone else. It's so tough! But this thread (and website) has been great at keeping me sane throughout this transition :)
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Oh Brodster'sMommy, that bug sounds terrible! Your poor little man (and you!) Hope he gets better soon! I've been trying to follow both yours and Julianne's threads.
Julianne, I hope you get a decent wake up!
I'm starting to think 2.5 hours for a day nap is too long because its robbing his night sleep. Either that or he's OT and that accounts for the early wakes (6am this morning!)
Today has been atrocious. We went to meet some friends at a play cafe at 9.30am. I should have made it later, because he didn't sleep on the way there (too early) and then started to melt down around 10.45am. Finally left around 11.15am and he fell asleep in the car at 11.20. Got woken at 11.40 though when my phone rang. He was not a happy boy! Refused to go to sleep when we got home, and refused to sleep 2.5 hours later, so I ended up having to get in the car and drive around! Only managed 30minutes. I want to put him to bed early but DH is complaining he never sees him so undoubtedly he'll be in bed late. *Sigh* :P
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OK so we had a 0430 initial wake up - talked to himself for 30 mins then had a bottle, put him back to bed then he was up again at 6.30. Managed to keep him awake till 9am then back to bed so it looks like its going to be a 2 nap day today!
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Hi!
DS2 is 13 months old and we've been dabbling in 1 nap days. Funny thing is, he'll wake up at 6:30am or 7am, go down at 10am and sleep until 1pm. Then naps are done for the day, and he is EXHAUSTED when we start bath/bedtime at 5pm. That happened twice this week.
BUT, if I push his nap any later, he'll only sleep 1.5 hours or so, and still ends up OT. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, DS1 has preschool, so after drop off, we get home around 9:30am and have to leave to go get him at 11:30am, returning home at 12:30pm. I usually attempt 2 naps on those days, but if he refuses, like yesterday, then the earliest I can get him down is 12:30pm, and I get a shorter nap.
So we have no school until Jan. 5 so I hope we can get this thing sorted out. He woke up at 6:30am this morning, and I know he could sleep at 9:30, but I don't know how far to push it. He also has a cold, so I feel bad waking him up when his body craves rest.
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Jaspersmum, I am so sorry for the day you've had. Is it getting any better? I've had days like that and they make feel like I'm losing my mind!
Rach, that's great that you were able to get him back to sleep. Those EW are so tough!
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Well we did 2 naps as planned - morning one was 1.5hrs and afternoon one was 30-40mins then he was asleep by 7.10pm so finger crossed he will be ok tonight and not too early in the morning!
Hugs to all the 2-1 people out there - this is tough! Hope the sleep fairy is kind to us all!
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Thanks Brodster'sMommy . . how is your little man doing?
Our yucky day yesterday ended okay. DS got to sleep at 7.15 but still woke at 6am again this morning. He's asleep right now thankfully - we're doing a two nap day so hopefully he's catching up on sleep and we have a better wake up tomorrow. Although I can hardly complain I guess considering rach321 you are getting 4.30am wake ups!!
Groovia, definitely sounds like your routine needs tweaking. Have you considered shortening your morning nap to get an afternoon nap in? That's what I would do. I was having the same problem . . DS would have a great morning nap if he went down around 3.5/4 hours after wake up, but then I could not get a catnap in and he would be a wreck by 5pm. I ended up doing this for awhile:
Wake - 6.30am
Nap - 10am - 10.30am
Nap - 1.45/2pm - 3.15/3.30pm
Bed - 7ish
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Another EW but this time DH heard him before 6am! I shouldn't have put him to bed so late! Here was our day:
Wake - 6am
Nap 1 - 10.00 - 10.30
Nap 2 - 2.55 - 4.40 (got to bed toooo late)
Bed - 7.20 - sleep at 7.40 (cried out at 8.10 - probably due to OT)
I could start a new thread and ask 'why the EWs?' but I know why . . he had 4 days of 1 nap and he couldn't handle it. I should be putting him to bed super early but its just so hard with DH who doesn't get why it needs to happen. He's okay with the EWs and I certainly am NOT! This is my plan for today:
Wake - sometime before 6am!!
Nap 1 - 10am - 10.30am
Nap 2 - 2pm til whenever, at least 3.30pm
Bed - 7pm at the latest if I can help it.
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Jaspersmum, bummer about the EW. Agh! They are killer. How are you doing sleep-wise yourself? Let us know how the night goes.
Groovia, I agree with Jaspersmum. A shorter morning nap should definitely help. Let us know how you get along!
My little man is still sick. And I now have his awful cold. This is one nasty bug. I was up more last night then DS bc of how yucky I felt. Hope no one else gets this. We are contining on 2 nap days until DS starts sleeping better. He had a 3 hour stretch last night which shows he's improving. Here's to each night getting better and better!
Here is my schedule so far today:
a: 7:10
s: 10:55 - 11:45
s: 3:20 - ?
s: ???
Hopefully he'll sleep an hour then bedtime will be around 7:45pm.
s:
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Been a bit all over the place today. LO woke screaming at 0040 which is really unusual for him, he usually just winges and sends himself back to sleep but we had to do 2 PD and he settled down and chatted to himself/blew raspberries and was fast asleep again by 0125. He then woke at 0600 had his bottle and went back to sleep until 0820 (unheard of and has never happened before but I'm not complaining cos it was lovely on a sunday morning!). He then took a nap at 12.30 but only an hour and then had a 20min catnap at 5pm and off to bed by 7pm. We are travelling all day tomorrow to see my parents for the week so it might be a bit off plan tomorrow, hopefully we can make it up on Tuesday!
Hope you all have a good night!
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Yeah we got a later wake up today!! Around 6.45am - I am very happy! Our day went like this:
Wake - before 6am
Nap 1 - 10.05 - 10.35
Nap 2 - 2.05 - 3.45
Bed - 6.45 but not asleep til close to 7.15 (cried and carried on - ended up giving meds)
Very unsure what to do today . . . whether to do one nap or two. Will see how he feels . . if he can make it to 4.5 hrs A time I'll go for one nap. DH and I have made a pact to get him to bed early for the next three days in prep for xmas!
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Rachel, that's fabulous! Please let us know what you decide to do for the day and how it goes!
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So I've decided to close shop on my thread. DS is still sick, so am I, and the Holidays are right around the corner and well be out of town for 10 days. I'm sure he'll need 2 naps just to keep up. I'm going to try transitioning to one nap again once we get home and settled. But I will still be following along! I have already learned so much from these boards so I'm hoping when I try again in a week that I'll get it right :) lol.
Are any of your LOs getting new teeth through the transition? How's that going?
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Definitely geting teeth here! DS has had a swollen top gum for agggeeesss!!! The left molar cut before this one without any swelling so I have no idea when this right one will cut. I've learnt that at bedtime if DS squawks for longer than 5 minutes, he's either in pain or OT. Same with NWs.
Hope you get better soon BM (Brodster'sMommy)! And have a lovely break away.
DS was doing fine this morning so I decided on one nap. We ended up getting visitors and so he didn't go to sleep til about 12.20pm - 30-40 minutes later than I would have liked! This meant that he stirred at the 1hr15m mark (OT) but thankfully went back to sleep (and is still asleep!). Will still do bed at 6.30/7pm tonight.
*update* bed was at 6.40 but didn't fall asleep til 7pm. Not sure if he was UT? He was falling asleep while I was feeding him around 6.30pm though ??
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Hi ladies,
Just checking in to see how you are all doing :)
We have had to go to 20 min am nap as we were having nap refusals all over the place and one day with a 40 min nap all day! Seems to be ok at the moment but nothing lasts for long at this stage eh! One thing I have done is start wiwo for naps and feel so much more in control so that is great. Hope you all have a good xmas
becky x
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Merry Christmas girls !
We are still stuck with EW at 5am, has a bottle then back to sleep for 30mins if we are lucky! No idea what to try next we tried long am nap with CN in pm, CN in am and long pm nap, he's too tired at the moment for 1 nap and I would be putting him to bed at 4.30pm which isn't really practical - so I'm all out of ideas. We have molar number 1 cutting through (1 corner through the gum) so not sure if I should just stick with 2 naps till he's done with that, but then there will be another one along! Here's today's EASY if anyone has any ideas - I'm too tired to think straight anymore!
0500 wake up and bottle
back to sleep for 30 mins
0900 nap (1hr) couldn't keep him up any longer without major meltdown!
1300 nap (40mins) wouldn't go back to sleep again - believe me I tried!
1900 bed out like a light, didn't hear a peep out of him!
We are away from home at the moment so I can't just leave him crying at 5am cos he will have the whole house up so I need some ideas for when we get home on Monday!
Rach xx
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Rach321, how old is your LO? He definitely seems OT, having short nights.
Firstly, I would recommend not giving him the bottle at 5am when he wakes (when you get home probably - no use being tough while you're away). He could be waking for it. I think you have to decide on an acceptable wake up time/time to start the day, perhaps 6am to start with and then look at making it later down the track. So you may have to employ some sleep training to get to that 6am mark, so wi/wo or PD. You may have to use the same technique on one of his naps.
If he really can't last more than 3.5/4 hours in the morning, you have to stick with two naps. And then you have to decide whether you want long am or short am. I think he's also going to bed too late. Stick with a 12/12.5 hour day, so if he's waking at 5/5.30, he needs to be in bed much earlier than 7pm. Sometimes when kids go to bed earlier, they do end up sleeping longer, especially if they're OT.
Here's a couple of schedules:
Wake - 6am
Nap 1 - 9.30 - 11/11.30
Nap 2 - 3.30pm - 4pm
Bed - 6.30pm
Wake - 6am
Nap 1 - 9.30 - 10am
Nap 2 - 1pm - 2.30/3pm
Bed - 6.30pm
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thanks jaspersmum will definitely give that a try when we get back, although it mean that OH won't see him when he gets home from work but hopefully it won't be for too long then we can shift everything later! Why is this so complicated? I could do without molars cutting through as well - poor little guy doesn't know whether he is coming or going!
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I agree with Jaspers mum. We went through this exact same EW when DS cut his first 2 molars and it was soooo tough. I tried everything to get him back to sleep pretty much but did not feed. Weirdly the nights I gave him Nurofen before bed he would sleep till later in the am even though it says it only lasts 8 hours - might be worth trying if you have not already. I know how hard it is - I was so sleep deprived at that stage. I also agree that he is probably OT from the long day and when teething even if they do not want to sleep (!) they are usually more tired than normal. We prefer the short am nap and I think that is what most people do with 2:1 but you might find the longer am nap better. We have got to the stage now where if DS has anything more than half an hour tops he will not sleep again and that has been going on for a while. x
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We were the same Henry1 before we jumped to one nap, doing a max of 30 minutes in the am. I couldn't stand the thought of jumping to 20 minutes (unless I did that nap in the car) so went to one nap.
Christmas has certainly mixed things up a bit. DS has had two nights of going to bed around 11pm so he's very OT and now has a cold so last night when it was back to normal he did not want an early night! Thankfully he slept through after having lots of NWs between 7.30 and 9.30. The great thing is his wake up time (and nap time of course) has been pushed past 7am which I'm hoping will remain!!
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I hope everyone's los are out of the Ot cycle because of Christmas. It took my lo a good two days to catch up.
I have a quick question about one nap. Today is the first day where I have tried one nap and my little Madi has slept from 12-3pm. :o. I am sure tomorrow will be a two nap day. That is if she wakes up before 7am-is that how I am supposed to do it? If she wakes early, give her two naps?
Normally our day would look like:
wake 7:10am
nap 1 11:40-1pm
CN2 4:50-5:05pm
bed 7:30pm
Today I let her sleep until 7:30am and decided to try one nap beginning at 12pm. I figure you ladies would have much more experience then I so now I am wondering am I supposed to let her sleep this long for her nap? Will this length take away from her night sleep?
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You really just have to experiment Sabrina. If we are going on the idea that these bubs need about 13-14 hours sleep in a day, then if Madi does a 3 hour nap, then you can't expect more than an 11 hour night. What is her A time like at the moment? Sounds like about 4.5/5 so you might need to do a 7.30/8pm bedtime.
I would only give two naps if she is particularly OT. It also depends on what bedtime you are aiming for. If she wakes at say 6.30am and you don't mind a bedtime of 6.30pm, then do one nap. If you want a later bedtime then go with two naps. That's what I would do anyway.
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Thanks. With two naps her bedtime always fell around 8pm. Yesterday, she woke up at 7:30am, managed her last A well and fell asleep by 7:30pm. Today, she woke up at 7:10am and I put her down for her nap at 11:45am. I am not sure how long her nap was (2.5 or 3hours) as she cried out at 2:15pm and then again at 2:40pm where I found a dirty nappy. By 6:45pm she was exhausted so she was in bed and asleep by 7pm. I am wondering if I should of did two naps today??? At the moment her A ranges from 4.5hours to about 4hrs and 45min. The funny thing is that when we had two naps she had a 2hour am nap, her second A would be 3hrs and 20min followed by a 15min CN. ??? Hopefully, she will sleep well tonight! I am planning to follow her cues tomorrow morning. So I may give her a two naps.
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OK so we are on Day 1 of not feeding at 5am! We had a few NW last night at 9.30 and then at 3am just went and laid him back down gave him his blankie then he went off to sleep again. He woke at 5.30am (improvement for us!) so I laid him back down and gave him blankie again and he slept until 5.50am, I figured that was close enough since we are aiming for a 6am wake-up at the moment. He's at nursery today so will probably only take 1 nap which will mean an early bedtime! Will let you know how it goes!
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Rach321 that doesn't sound so bad for your first day.
We got a short nap today which is odd. Woke at 7.10 after a 11hr 15m night and I wonder if I put him down too late at 12.30? Only slept 1 hour 20 minutes and woke with a cry but then pretty quiet until I got him up at 2.30pm. He has a cold and is teething and I didn't give him meds like I usually do for his nap so maybe that had something to do with it?
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Hope everyone has a good night and lots of sleep. :-*
Yesterday and the day before Madi managed one nap well. Today was a two nap day. Hoping for a one nap day tomorrow.
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OK quick update, he only had 1 nap at nursery as expected so he was in bed by 6.30pm. He then woke at 3.30am and self settled, woke at 4.30 am self settled again, woke at 5am, hadn't settled after 5 mins so I went in and did PD he resettled and then woke at 5.30am, did the PD again and settled until 6am. Drove him to nursery and he fell asleep in the car for 30 mins. Am I doing this right or am I missing something somewhere?
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Rach - it sounds to me like you are getting somewhere - good for him for resettling :)
What time did he fall asleep in the car?
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Ladies, quick question. For two days we did one nap and Madi seemed to be doing well. On day three, she woke up at 6:30(11.5hrs of sleep) so I did two naps. Today she woke up again at 6:30am and was in and out of sleep until 7am. I am planning to do two naps today. Is this the right thing to do or should I go for one nap again?
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henry1 - he fell asleep at 7.30 and woke up in nursery car park at 8am which is way too early so I'm guessing that although he was quiet in his room he wasn't asleep. I'm going to give it a few weeks of this persuading him to sleep until 6am - he's stubborn - just like his mum!
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hmm - well yes I would say keep at it for a little while to see if he manages to readjust. Keep us posted. x
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Its going in the car that does it - he always falls asleep! If I was at home he would be fine but unfortunately we only have 1 car and I have to drop OH off at station at 7.15am then we drive to nursery for 8am. Tomorrow is his last day at nursery till next week so hopefully things will start to get on track a bit better!
Hope everyone has a good night.
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Your call Sabrina. Personally I would offer two naps if I think LO is OT.
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I gave her two naps today and she seemed to be better. Is it better to alternate one nap days with two nap days or can I do two one nap days then one two nap days. ykwim?
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I'd do a few (1-3) one nap days and then a two nap day to catch up. Probably not two nap days in succession as you really want her to get used to doing one nap days, i.e that is the norm.
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Well we had the same as yesterday - I put him to bed at 6.30pm since he only took 1 nap at nursery (1hr20) then he woke up at 5am (again grrrrrrr!) we did PD until 6am then gave him his bottle, then he falls asleep in the car again on the way to nursery for 20 mins! He's obviously tired but why won't he just add this on to his night time sleep - I just don't get it. Tonight will be screwed up since its new years eve and he won't be sleeping at home. I feel like we are going backwards instead of forwards. Sorry - rant over!
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Hi Rach,
For us that would be OT and as he is falling asleep so soon after waking it does seem so...can you remind me what his routine is at the moment i.e. what time does his nap start and how long is it? Is he 13 months???
bx
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Hiya
His routine looks like this if he's at home
0500 wake up
0600 bottle
0700 breakfast
0830-900 nap (usually 1-1.5hrs)
snack when he wakes
1120-1200 lunch
1300-1330 nap (usually 45min -1hr)
snack sometime in the afternoon
1630-1700 dinner
1800-1830 bath
1830-1900 bed
But when he's at nursery (3 days a week) it looks like this
0500 wake
0600 bottle
0700 breakfast
0730 falls asleep in car for 30 mins till we get to nursery
1200 nap (1.5-2hrs) he has only ever take 1 nap at nursery and they do try really hard to try and get him to take two
1730 I pick him up from nursery sometimes he has a CN in the car on way home sometimes he doesn't
1800 get home then snack bath bottle and bed
I can't change anything about the nursery days so I make up for the 1 naps by having 2 naps on the other days of the week. He's 13 months, touchy/spirited and cutting molars.
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Rachel: that is what I was planning to do. Today and tomorrow am hoping for one nap days, followed by a two nap day to catch up. I figure I should follow her cues in the morning and see how she handles her A. If she can't make it then it will be a two nap day.
Why can't it be easy.
The thing that really gets me upset is that I have to work next week so I have to rely on hubby to follow her cues. :P
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2 things - molars cause hell or they did in our house and I also have a touchy/spirited bub. When he cut his first 2 molars he would wake around 5 and then be wanting a v early nap too. I would really persevere with getting him back to sleep when he wakes at that time - it is really hard but it means you can start the day at a reasonable time but I know you have nursery commitments.
The other thing is that some days he wakes at 5 and then does not go to bed until 6.30/7pm so that is a 14 hour day - v long!
If it was me I would def try to shorten that day and see if it helps at all. Also - did I mention Nurofen at bed? Worked well for us.....bx
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Yep I do the nurofen thing most nights - hopefully these molars will cut soon. Not much I can do about some of the long days especially when I'm working I don't pick him up until 5.30pm then we don't get home till 6pm so by time we've got organised its 6.30pm! Will keep doing PD when he wakes at 5am - hopefully he will eventually get the message or the molars will cut and things will settle down. On the bright side he took a 2hr nap today at nursery which is really rare! Thanks for all the advice - it means a lot and its nice to know I'm not the only one going through this!
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anytime :) I know how awful those early mornings are and touchy/spirited babies are exhausting xxx
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For my lo, it took a good 3/4weeks for her molars to cut. Hang in there. It will get better.
I have a question for everyone: At the moment, we seem to be alternating one nap with two nap days, depending how Madi feels. Yesterday she woke up at 7:30am and it was a one nap day. Today she woke up at 7am, seemed tired, so it will be a two nap day. Is it fine if her day fluctuates by 30mins? Prior to the one nap, I always woke her up at 7am. Should I start her day at the same time everyday? I would think to let her sleep a little extra so it pushes our day forward, which gives us a 7:30pm bedtime.
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Sabrina I think if what you've got going is working, then don't change it. If Madi is happy, you are happy then go with the flow. In the grand scheme of things I don't think 30 minutes makes much difference and I don't think starting the day at a certain time will matter IF YOU ARE HAPPY. It sounds like you've got everything under control. I wish it were the same over here!! My DS doesn't want to go to bed at his usual time anymore - will yell and scream for a good hour! The consequences of letting him have too many late nights!!
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Hey everyone me again! I thought we were getting somewhere finally at 19months, but nope,yesterday up at 5:20,today 4:45am!! Help! I'm doing something wrong iknow it! Y'day and day before he only had 1.5hr naps and is getting OT. I'm stuck now.xx
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Rachel: hang in there with your lo. Sending lots of hugs. :-* I am planning to aim for more one nap days as she seems to be managing 4hrs and 45min of A time in the morning. I don't want to give her too many late CNs as they are getting closer to bedtime which I believe is causing some EWs.
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Thanks Sabrina. Would you believe that last night I went out so DH had to put DS to bed - DH said there were tears all of 2-3 minutes and then he fell asleep. I am so beginning to believe that he just does not want to be away from me and so much better behaved/less whingy when I'm not around. He seemed to be very angry with me this morning though, almost like, you left me last night!
Julianne, I have no solutions for you unfortunately, only hugs. Is it perhaps you just have an natural early bird?
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Well... guess who slept until 6:40am today! No NW's, 12h20m sleep!! :) we've been on one nap for a month now with 1-2days of 2 naps... maybe it's starting to work...? How long should it take for him to get used to it? I bet he'll be up at 5 tomorrow hehe xx
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He loves his mommy! :-*
Jullanne: you are giving me hope! I can get 3 one nap days out of 7 from my lo. There is light at the end of the tunnel. After a one nap day yesterday, she woke up at 6:50am and was utterly exhausted during the morning. So, I had to move her nap earlier and am planning to give her a CN later. Funny, because, I question what I am doing is right! Sigh!
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Well I must say I'm dreading the morning as I know it'll be an early one! Today will have just been fluke. I've even had to wake him fron naps recently, as last week he napped 3hrs and woke early the next day lol. It just got to a point of being un-solvable (the ew's) going cold turkey to one nap was the last straw! X
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I have also noticed that when my lo has a three hour nap she will wake up earlier the next day. ???
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You really have to juggle the total amount of sleep in a 24 period don't you, and its harder when they are OT because you want to let them sleep. I'm finding anymore than 2 hours for a nap leads to a shorter night. The last few days have been great:
Sat
Wake - 7.10am
Nap - 11.50am - 1.50pm
Bed - 6.50am - 7am!
Sun
Wake - 7am
Nap - 12 - 1.45pm ?
Bed - 8.05 (we were out for dinner)
Today
Wake - 7.35!
Nap - 12.10 -
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5:45 :( x
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sorry for the 5:45 wake up. HUGS!!
Rachel: You are exactly right! When she has two naps, her total day sleep is 2hrs and 15min and I have to wake her the next morning. With one nap, she will sleep close to 3hours and will wake up a little earlier the next day. I don't want to limit her one nap as I am sure she needs it and it also pushes bedtime a little later. Frustrating! I ask myself, why am I messing with something that is fine at the moment. She doesn't fight her naps. Then again, I know she needs a little push with the transitioning.
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Hey ladies, I"m back again. Happy New Year to you all. Doesn't it seem like it will never end? We were on a good run for a week or so and then the teething kicked in :(
Just wanted to add I also have noticed that if DD has anything more than 2hr 15 min sleep on 1 nap days her nights are bad due to NW and she also wakes up earlier the next day. The other thing I found critical is that she really does need 5hr A time on either side of the nap. Even 15 mins earlier and she fusses to fall asleep at bedtime.
Julianna, sorry about the EW again.
Rachel, hope you have a good day!
I can't figure out whether our NWs are because of teething, or a need for routine tweaking :( I wonder if I'll ever work it out!! :)
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Well Madi woke up at 5am and was in and out of sleep and moaning until 7am. I think I should of gave her one nap yesterday as opposed to two. I don't know if she was UT or OT. She went down easily for her 15 CN but am not sure if she was a little OT at bedtime or her CN was too close to bedtime. She was asleep by 7:40pm. Today is going to be a two nap day and hopefully tomorrow a one nap day.
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We are back to EWs . . this morning 6am and yesterday 6.30am. Oh I know 6.30am aint bad but I was so getting used to him waking after 7am! I think he is OT. I probably should be giving him some two nap days but I'm too scared! Monday he was the happiest I've seen him in ages! Except that he woke from his two hour nap still looking tired. He's still fighting bedtime!! And yesterday my mum put him down too late and he fell asleep in the car ride home which he hasn't done in months! (which probably explains this morning's EW!) I'm soooooooo tired of this constant thinking about routines. I thought we were getting somewhere. The more I think about it, the more I have to stick to a 12 hour day and I think for DS, he needs 4.5 hrs A time in the am, and 5.5 hrs A time in the pm.
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Hey Rachel, join the club. I'm so over always having to constantly think about what I"m doing and how it's a'ffecting DD's routine. I too thought we were getting somewhere, but the past 2 days haven't been that great. We've had a fair few NW, although they were brief, at least 3 NWs nonetheless.
Yesterdays she had a good 2hr nap and woke up but after going to bed woke up crying after 50 mins. Is that OT? And then woke up again last night around 1:30, then 4:45 and 5:45 :( :( Then woke around 7AM today.
I still did 1 nap today and she wasn't tired or anything before 12 but she only slept until 1:20 and then refused to go back to sleep!! aaaaugh!!! I tried my best until about 2PM but she started screaming and wanted to get out.
I did bedtime at 6:30, but she woke up again after 50 mins tonight too. :( :( Perhaps try for a 2 nap day tomorrow?
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Hi everyone :)
I feel your pain! DS is being a monkey again after a goodish 2 weeks.
Cannot figure him out. Have had a couple of 5.30am's which we have not had for a while. Still 11 hours of sleep but cannot work out if OT or UT. Fighting naps again and we are now down to 20 min am but he still will not any longer in the pm. Yesterday was 50 mins and the day before 1.10. We don't get NW's though at the moment so is it OT or UT??? I guess he should be on one nap but he just wakes so early - it is really hard. :(
bx
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It is very frustrating! I feel your pain. Normally, for us EWs was normally OT.
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ahhh, here we go again. Looking for some support. I have been following your ADVENTURES!
My lo will be 1 next week. We have been doing short morning and long pm naps. About a week now we have been down to 30 min naps. Here is what it looks like:
Wake 6:00 (being generous!)
nap 9:45 ish wake him after 30 then
3 hrs 15 mins of A time
Nap 1:30 ish till 3:30 ish, sometimes 3:45
Put to Bed around 7:30~ rolls around usually quiet by 7:45
We are having more and more EW and he is starting to resist the pm nap so the last two days 3 hrs 30 mins of A time. I can hear him talking to his sooky and rolling around. The naps have gone down some too.
When should I start to transition to a shorter nap? He's doing 3.5 hrs of A time on a 30 min nap!!!! Just trying to avoid the dreaded OT monster.
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greenteamomma, I think we cut down to 20 min when H went to 3.5 hrs on 30 min. I found his nap shortened and he just wasn't quite tired enough so we went to 20 min...we've been there for 2 months now...and now I think we need help!
H has been on 20 min am nap for 2 months now. Nap 1 is usually from 10:30-10:50 (shoot for 7am wakeup but he hangs on until then even if it's a 6am wake), nap 2 is anywhere from 2-2:15 and I used to wake him at 3:45 and bedtime between 7:45 and 8. We've done 2 one nap days and both times we had 3+hr NW. I'm sure he's OT but I just can't get him to sleep anymore! He's up there screaming his head off for his pm nap. He had 20 min and I got him up at 10:45, it's now 2:05 and he's not asleep yet. I'm assuming he's OT hyper as he was bouncing off the walls. It's so hard when you can't tell when they are tired!
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hjrmom01, have you tried giving him a day of 30 mins once in a while just to get the OT monster to get lost for a little while? I was on 30 min naps at 10 months and then cooled down and went back to 45 until now, 1 week shy of 12 months. Just a thought.
I considered the 20 mins but I know he NEEDS those 30 mins. I just wondered how long to hold on to a 3.5 hrs of A time after a 30 min nap. Does it really matter? If he still goes for 2 hrs, just starts later, what's the big deal? I thought, from lurking :) that I should just go with it till he really cuts that pm nap to 1.5 consistently. Any thoughts?
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I haven't gone back to 30 mins but have a feeling I should try! If your nap isn't shortening then just have it later and bedtime will be pushed back...or you can shorten the nap to preserve bedtime. We always just let H sleep up to 2 hrs and had a later bedtime. I'll look and see if I can find his routine from 30 min nap and 3.5 A following :)
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Alyssa,
we are going through similar although I don't think my lo is teething...he was doing well on the 20 min am nap, then 3 hours to second nap but the last 2 days he has been fighting both naps. I know he is tired - he looks it! but it also seems like he needs more A time. Totally confused x
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It is very confusing. I have noticed that Madi has jumped in A times. She went from 4hrs to 4hrs and 45 min within three weeks.
We have been having some brief EWs. She does go back to sleep but am not sure if it is because I need to push out her morning A to 5hours or because she is sleeping three hours for her one nap or a little OT. It is day four where we are on one nap and will see how she does tomorrow. It may be at two nap day tomorrow.
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Sabs - 3 hours is amazing. Henry would def wake early if he slept that long but then again Madi is a good napper and he is not so I guess we find out these things by trial and error iykwim.
Henry seems to have had an increase in A time. I am not going to get him to take a nap before 4.5 A time in the am it looks like but he still needs 2 naps I think....hmmm. This could take some working out x
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So it is safe to say that for a while the second nap will get later and later and this is ok as long as its not too short and then I can cut the first nap to 20 mins?
Does EW factor in at all??? We are having horrible EW no matter what time he goes to bed so even though he's going to bed a 7:45 (asleep I mean) he's still waking at 5:45 or 6:00. Its not a long night, too short actually. I pushed his first nap later so pushed to 4 hrs of A time but he's just so tired by then! Any ideas as to the cause?
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Hey ladies - gonna jump in on this thread. Don't know if I'm being premature, but my DD will be 1 in a couple of weeks and we are possibly heading towards the slippery transition slope! Having said that, we have never really succeeded at establishing a consistent 2 nap routine so who knows??! We have some horrible NWs, interspersed with VERY occasional STTNs! This has been the case since the princess was born - aaagh! We have an ongoing issue with independent sleep - but we ARE working on it - honest! Anyway - I'm just coming along for the ride for now and to see what extra problems I will be encountering over the coming months. Yipee!
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We have had some progress! He no longer gets a bottle at 5am and after a few weeks of PD when he first wakes up (usually around 5am) we now have him waking anywhere from 5.30am-6am and he will usually go back to sleep for about 30mins with 1 PD. He even woke up happy this morning, something we haven't seen in a long time! So we are settled with 3 days of 1 nap (when he's at nursery) and 4 days of 2 naps which seems to be working for the moment. His first A time is still short (if he's not at nursery) usually about 3.5-4hrs so until that increases I'm going to stick with 3 days of 1 nap and 4 days of 2 naps so we don't get OT.
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Hi knockout...
wow Rach - that is great news :) I am really pleased for you.
Sounds like a good plan for the one and two nap days....x
bx
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Hi All,
just thought I'd check in! Good news Rach - what a good feeling when your hard work pays off!
DS has been teething for the past week so we've been getting big time bedtime refusal and EWs of around 6am after a 10-10.5 hour night. He is on one nap and I haven't done many two nap days as his A time after a 30 minute am nap is like 4.5 hours which totally blows out the day!
He is definitely OT but the past 2-3 days I've been sticking with an A time in the am of 4.5/4.75 which gives me a 2.5 hour nap and then A time after that is dicey due to the bedtime refusal. I try bed around 5/5.5 hours but he doesn't sleep til closer to 6pm. One good thing is he is waking around 6.30am which I can deal with.
My advice to those who jump to one nap - keep bedtime early, don't extend that morning A time too quickly and if you do some two nap days, stick to one long nap and the other very, very short, like 10-20 minutes.
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Great job Rach! Keep it up!
Rachel: I am stumped to why your lo is giving you bedtime battles. Do you think he is OT by then? Have you tried reducing his one nap by 15min and move bedtime earlier? Then again, I would be afraid of the OT monster. Wish I could help!
After 4 days of one nap(think I should of did three) Madi had a two nap day yesterday as I think she was getting a little OT. She woke up at 5:30am then again at 6am then again at 7am. Her night was very unsettled. After her two naps, she slept soundly through the night.
Today is a one nap day for her.
I do remember reading that it takes a few weeks for los to get used to one nap. Why can't it be easy?????
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How long was your (all of you) A time after a 30 min nap that indicated it was time to cut the nap to 20 mins?
Also, I went back to giving my LO a 30 min in the am and then a long pm. I've never had problems with him having a LONG pm nap but now its broken and his A time is getting longer and longer after that short nap. What can I do to adjust?
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After a 30min my lo could managae 3hrs-3.5hours of A time. Once she began to chat herself to sleep at bedtime or had frequent NWs, I cut down to 20min. With 20min she initally managed 2hrs and 40 min, then it gradually increased to 3 hours.
You could try cutting the am nap to 20/25min?
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Thanks Sabs! I just cut his nap to 30 for the last week after stopping for about a month. I'm so reluctant to do the 20 minute thing! How did you do it?
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I don't know how I did it, I just did. LOL. She was not happy when I woke her but she did get used to it. When we do two nap days she still gets upset with me when I give her a 15 min pm CN.
Leave it at 30min and see if you get any improvements. If not, then I would cut to 20min and shorten his next A time.
Good luck1 :-*
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Thanks girls - we are ill again so its all up in the air. Hopefully we will be back on track soon.....there's always something!
Hope the sleep fairy is being kind during this very confusing time!
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Jumping on board as well. My LO is 1 yr. in a week.
Sabs- isn't your LO super cranky for the rest of the day with only 20 minute CN. Mine's awful with 30 min.
We are in transition. We've had 3 1 nap days so far in the last 2 weeks, 1 of which was actually successful (the day DH was in charge, go figure).
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I tried the short am/long pm nap but it didn't work for her. I did long am/short pm nap. Her pm nap kept getting shorter and shorter and yes she was a little cranky but then she got used to it.
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can you post a few routines Sabrina? We have early wakes here and I think you have late wakes and 12 hour nights right? blah, I hate early wakes it shortens his short day when he has a short pm nap. These days his day is either way too short or way too long. Then we all got the flu here, including my parents who are visiting, not a pretty house right now! sorry for going on and on. How is Maddy doing on one nap? What was your longest stretch of one naps so far?
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HUGS! I just read your post.
A typical day would consist of:
wake up at 7:10am
nap 12-3pm
bedtime 7:30pm
We still do the occasional two nap days. She would then take a two hour am nap in the am (11:30-1:30pm)then a 15 CN in the pm( 5-:5:15pm). Bedtime would be around 8pm.
She can do about three days of one nap, followed by two naps. :-\
I really think your lo is OT. Is there anyway you can push out his first A by 5 min and let him catch up on some sleep? How old is he? After a day or two of catch up, you can extend his A time a little, then cut his am nap again.
I know for us EWs was either OT or UT? It was very difficult to figure out. I would always push out her A out by 10min, which helped with the EWs. As I said before, the short am/long pm nap never worked for us. It made her very cranky and restless. It caused NWs and would not take a decent PM nap. She would also wake up earlier the next day.
Prior to cutting your los naps, how long was he sleeping?
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Help me, ladies!
DS is 17 months old, has always been a good night sleeper & napper, but now we've been having nap issues. Back in November we had a few instances where he was fighting two naps & we tried moving to one nap, but he just got waaaay OT, so we worked it out & got him back on track w/ two naps. Then in December he REALLY seemed ready for the transition & for a solid two weeks before Christmas he was down to one 2-3 hour nap, from noon - 2 or 3pm. But he got sick with a nasty cold on Boxing Day & his naps were horrible & all over the place because he couldn't breathe well. Since then we've really been struggling with naps.
Some days he seems to need more A time & won't even consider napping until noon. But then he only sleeps for 1- 1.5 hours :/ Other days he seems super sleepy by around 10 or 11am & he'll take an AM nap & then either a PM nap OR he'll fight the PM nap altogether & be one OT boy by bedtime.
Currently, he has no set wake-time...it's usually between 7:30 & 8:30am. Is this bad? Should we be waking him at the same time every morning? We used to, but DH thought it was cruel, even though his sleep was fantastic. If we do start waking him, we were thinking 7:30am...but at that wake time, I'm wondering if two naps is best OR if one nap is okay & if one nap is fine, how to extend it to be at least 2+ hours consistently?
Btw, he goes to bed between 7:30 & 8pm [totally depending on how well he napped] & usually falls asleep pretty quickly. He wakes once in the evening usually, just for the paci & he rarely wakes in the night, but lately we've had more instances of night wakings.
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I always did a set wake up time. Usually, I would wake up my lo at 7:10am. If she had a rough night, I would let her sleep until 7:30am.
can you post your routine?
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My LO is 12 months. We are getting earlier and earlier wakes and need to start 20 naps but he's so OT and he wakes so early I don't know where to start!!!! This morning was 5:15 am. I know he is OT but its not the only thing going on. We had my parents visiting all week, we all had an intestinal thing so we took turns caring for him and since he was sick too he wasn't eating much. Now I think his OT Ew are also hunger as he signed milk as soon as I picked him up where normally he waits till 6:45 (our old routine). Now, my parents left and we are feeling better. I need a tweek here please. Can someone offer some advice pretty please with sugar on top :)
yesterday was like this:
Wake 5:30 WI/PD/WO did not work
Nap 9:20 or 9:30 he woke after 40 mins so 10:10.
Nap 1:40 until 3:20 he woke
bed 7:20 but he rolled around till 7:40, seemed like OT
Wake this morning at 5:15
Nap 9:00, letting him sleep as long as he wants to catch up this morning. I heard him suck his fingers for a while which is sometimes at the beginning of a sleep and sometimes he's not sleeping ::)
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Okay, I'll use yesterday & today [so far] as examples. Yesterday DS woke up at 7:30am, had sippy of milk, breakfast within 30 minutes, then play time. Around 10am he seemed sleepy, so I did his normal nap routine, put him down & he just lay in his crib & played & babbled for 20 minutes. I got him up, he had more play time, more to eat & he seemed sleepy again at around 11:30am. Put him down, he slept until approx. 1:30pm. We put him to bed at around 7:10 [usually it's 7:30] due to the amount of A time from 1:30.
So today, DS woke up a little before 7:30am. Sippy of milk, breakfast 20-30 minutes later. Then he played with his toys, I played with him...around 9:30-ish he seemed sort of sleepy, so at 9:45 I took him into his room, did his normal nap routine & he slept from then until 11:25 or so. I intend to see if he'll nap again at around 3pm, just a short nap, around 30-45 minutes.
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Hi ladies, im in need of some help, we have been on a great routine for two months now, however yesterday he refused his PM nap, we even tried taking him for a walk in the pram, he finally fell asleep when we took him for a drive and he slept 20mins in the car. today i accidentally woke him up at his AM nap (we do long AM/short PM) at 45mins, i had no idea what tiem to put him down for a sleep, so hes been up since 11.45am, i tried putting him down at 3pm, he went to bed with no crying, no fussing nothing, its 50mins later and hes been whimpering on andn off , playing, talking ever since. He finally started a real cry so we got him up, so hes been up 4 hours after only a 45min nap!!!! he doesnt even LOOK tired!!
what am I supposed to do??
-update, he didnt go back to sleep at all so we got him up, gave him dinner,bath, quiet play and watchin TV and then bottle and bed at 6.30! thats pretty early considering his bedtime is usually 8pm!!! so from 11.45-6.30/6.45 thats 7 hours on a 45min nap, he was so tired, giving him his bedtime bottle his eyes were watering he just wanted to go to sleep. gosh i really hope this doesnt mean an early wakeup! I hate the thought that OT is making a sneaky little comeback, im trying to fight it off and not really getting anywhere.
I should mention that when we went to give him his bath at 6pm there was a poo in his nappy so im thinking he wouldnt sleep because he had done a poo?? hes really sensitive to that so this couldve just been a oncer or twicer only, will see how tomorrow goes
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Greenteamomma, is DS teething? I've realised that we get EWs when DS is teething. He may also be getting too much day sleep? When DS was in the transition I limited day sleep to 2 hours. That 40 minute nap does look like OT.
Calebsmummy, what's your usual routine? If he's refusing his pm nap you definitely need a tweak. If you are doing long am/short pm, you probably have to extend his middle A time.
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Well our routine is this:
wakeup 7am
nap 1 11-12.30
nap 2 4.15/4.30 -5pm (He is miserable being woken from this nap and often cries for about half an hour)
bedtime 8pm
this is what we've been doing for the past 2.5 months and he sttn without waking once so there's been no need to tweak, I'm just unsure if these last tow days have just been a once off, especially today seeing as I accidentally woke him early from his first nap. I have tried short AM/lo g PM and it just doesn't work, he's miserable all day after a short slep in the AM and he refuses to go to bed earlier in order to have an UT nap
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You'll get some crazy days like that Jo before you make the switch to one nap. You just have to do what you think is best at the time. Like I said, if you get more of the same, you may have to extend his middle A time by 15m or so, and possibly, eventually, cut your pm nap to something like 20 minutes. A lot of mums do that right before the switch.
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Im a bit worried about extending his middle A time though, at the moment its at 4.30pm till 5pm, if i go any later it really does cut it fine before it starts interefering with night sleep, i think he sees it as night sleep and thats why hes so impossible afterwards, yet there really is no way he will do short nap in the morning (as we saw today)
oh it feels like the beginning of bad stuff. how do non BW mothers work all this out?
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I suppose this is where we go next. My LO turns 1 TODAY!!!! Time flies. We have just switched from a long am short pm nap routine to a short am long pm nap routine (which is working so much better), so I'm sure we will need tons of advice from you all. I'm really unsure of what to do in the future when more issues arise as we make our long trek to 1 nap.
Calebsmummy, I thought the same with my LO, that there would be no chance of a 2nd nap with a 45 min. am nap. And it's true. But now that we've cut down to 30 minutes am nap things are much better. My LO doesn't have any problem with the pm nap now. We switched over to short am long pm naps because we were getting lots of resistance with the pm nap with a long am nap (long as in 1 hr :-\). My LO was always really cranky being woken from a 30 min pm nap also but with a 30 minute am nap she is just fine being woken from it. It is just a much better routine for US.
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Hello- time to jump aboard this thread too! Although we're not experiencing any troubles in the past month, I like to keep an eye on the advice and experiences of those who go before us on this transition.
nauvoo06- glad the new routine is working out for you. I works brilliantly for us too, with no more pm fights like we used to a few months back.
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Leath, best advice I've gotten in a long time and thanks again. I noticed that your birthday and marriage trackers are very much the same as my life. I got married almost 3 years 6 months ago and we both have a kid who's just turned/turning 1. all I have to say is congrats on the pregnancy and I won't be keeping up in that area. Love the pics! Cute family.
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We've been there Jo. DS was doing 1.5 - 2 hours in the am, and a short cn around 4/4.30 and he would be miserable afterwards, plus it was cutting into dinner time, so we switched to short am/long pm (started off with 45 minutes, then cut down to 30 after a few weeks). He was very cranky for about a week, with me waking him, but then settled in to it. It helped on the days we had that catnap in the car.
Most mums will say that if your LO can do 4.5 hours A time in the morning, then you are safe to jump to one nap. That is of course with a few alternate two nap days. That's what we did. And lots of early beds to counteract OT.
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Hi Ladies!!
Just a quick question as i'm not really a member yet..lol, DS turns 1 in a week, so i'll be over for good very soon...but in the meantime, for those who have been there already, if you're on the long am/short pm program and they start to refuse the pm catnap, or just play so much in the crib that it's getting later and later, would you say it's time to do the switch to the one nap?
I"m just so afraid of switching too early and then having a real OT mess to clean up...on a sidenote, i've tried a few days here and there with just the one nap (over the last couple of weeks) and the day itself worked great, but then during the following days, we get some side effects such as EW's and super long crib parties in the middle of the night...ughh!!
Thanks for you advice and looking forward to joining you soon!!
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well seems we are back on track, had our 1.5 hour AM nap and 30min PM nap again yesterday thank goodness, i think it was just a glitch for us those few days (im hoping so anyway!!)
Flightmommy, im not sure what to do when we get to that situation yet either, im dreading it, this is where having already been on the short AM/long PM would be really handy but seems our Calebs dont like that routine
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My LO just turned 1 yr old this week and about 1 1/2 ago we switched from two 1 hour naps to a short (30 min) am nap and a long pm nap. When we first switched her pm naps were 1.5 hours long which was great. In the past we have had problems getting more than 1 hour naps (hence the 2 1 hour nap routine). As of about 5 days ago she has been doing 1 hour 15 min naps in the pm. Is this a good thing and I shouldn't be worried about the long nap of the day only being 75 mins long or does this mean her routine needs to be adjusted a bit.
Our routine goes as follows:
wake 6:30am
nap #1 9:30am-10:00am
nap #2 1:30pm-2:45pm
bed (usually asleep by) 7:00pm
Some days she wakes at 7:30am and some days at 6:00am. I've noticed if she goes down later at say 8:00pm she wakes earlier at 6am even with a day Identical to the one before where she went to bed at 7pm and woke at 7:30 am. We get great nights and she usually averages 11.5 hours - 12 hours.
So should I just go with how things are or do you think I could get a longer pm nap?
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Nauvoo06, I would push out your first A time to make her more tired in the pm and take a longer pm nap. Like this:
Wake
3.25 hours A time (gradually build it up to 4 hours)
30 minute nap
3.5 hours A time
1.5 hour nap (hopefully!)
3.5 hours A time
bed
Part of the transition is always extending out your LO's first A time.
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Ahhh, got it. Will do tomorrow. Thanks Jaspersmum. I hope I don't sound totally ignorant but once the first A time reaches 4 hours will the rest of the day be adjusted also and how? And should I just go straight to 4 hours gradually over about a couple of weeks? She was doing about 4.25 hours A time in the morning when we were doing 2 1hr naps.
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ugh well we jhave had a right royal mess of a day, he went 5 hours this morning (due to church) then slept 25mins in the car on the way home, usually we just transfer him to his cot fine but if its after the first 20mins of sleep he wakes up so he woke up and refused to sleep for the rest of the day! its early bedtime tonight.
What i have been finding is that ANY change to his morning nap at all means the rest of the day is screwed up, for some reason he refuses to sleep again if he hasnt had a 1.5 hour nap. He woke up at 1 hour the other day screaming (then found a welt on his arm so figured he was bitten by a spider or something) then we couldnt get him to take an afternoon nap no matter what time we tried. He has to have that 1.5 hour nap in the morning and then his 30min CN in the afternoon at 4.30pm. why is this happeneing? He should still be able to take another nap if he has a shorter nap but he just wont! so far this has happened every single day except the days he takes that 1.5 hour nap
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actualy i forgot to mention that after a 5 hour A time (he usually only does 4 hours) and then his 25min nap we put him down 2 hours later and he talked, babbled, played in his cot for 45mins-1 hour!!! he didnt cry once, he just played! so we just got him up. how could he not be tired after all that!!!
i do feel like Im going out of my mind when this happens
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Most mums will say that if your LO can do 4.5 hours A time in the morning, then you are safe to jump to one nap. That is of course with a few alternate two nap days.
I have been lurking but not posting much as I have an active post about short nights, EW, NW and wonky naps going! About the 4.5 hrs of A in the am...have alot of moms had success with this as he can do 4.5 even though I know he could also do 4. we are struggling with what to do with our day as he is EW no matter what and won't have a long pm nap, takes a 20 min nap after 4 hrs of A time etc. Any one else have experience with this theory? WE are really struggling here, really really. Not to say you all aren't but I'm at my wits end...Love the bubs but not his sleeping habits!
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Nauvoo06, I would add 15 minutes A time perhaps every 3-4 days. Yes, the rest of the day will have to be adjusted accordingly, but I would keep a close eye on that middle A time and not extend that at the same rate you extend the first A time. A 4 hour A time the morning would look like this for example:
wake 6.30am
Nap 10.30 - 11
Nap 2.30 - 4
Bed 7.30
If you don't want to extend bedtime out (which would inevitably happen when that first A time creeps to 4.5) you could cut back the morning nap to 20 minutes or swap around and do long am/short pm.
Calebsmummy and Greenteamomma, sounds like its time to test out one nap!! Your posts sounds very familiar to me!
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i do feel like Im going out of my mind when this happens
me too!
Calebsmummy and Greenteamomma, sounds like its time to test out one nap!! Your posts sounds very familiar to me!
he is just so OT and waking so early...I'd have to put him down for the night at like 4pm!!!
Tomorrow, even thought he is OT I will push his morning A time to 4.25. He's done it before but I think the problem that got us in this mess is having a long am A time and a long pm a time. We will push the first short nap to try to get back to a descent bedtime....no more 6 pm to catch up, just doesn't work and his wake ups are not EW anymore!
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He slept 11+ hrs though he woke at 5:20. Can't ask for too much. Didn't sleep in the morningat his first day of daycare....but what do you expect, so much to see and look at. I took him home and put him down at 11:30. Fingers crossed for a long nap! I was planning on a 20 min nap so I will try that tomorrow. Don't want to push too much too quick right?
How is everyone else doing?
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ugh, we have been up since 5.40am, havent had a wake up like that (9.5 hour night) in awhile, usually its 7am but he had lots of wind passing through so we can imagine it was an upset tummy.
I dont want to do 1 nap yet, i dont think he is ready for it, I think it was just circumstances that produced that horrid day on Sunday and now we are just still cleaning it up....
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Calebsmummy, we were up at 5:30 this morning and had a 9.5 hour night as well except this is the 3rd day in a row. All, at the moment, is lost here!
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sorry to interrupt everyone to have a moan! Since christmas we have been everywhere with naps and no tricks of the trade seem to be working. tried cutting the am nap, still refusing pm nap, tried keeping the am nap long this time decided to shorten it himself and still refused pm nap, tried 1 nap didnt sleep long enough.... I've been afraid to cut the am nap more incase he wouldnt sleep in the pm, today lo and behold gave him 35min in the am, he has been talking to himself in bed for over 2 hours!!!!! you'd think you'd sleep for lack of anything else to do wouldnt you!!!!! he settles for a few minutes then starts again. The most frustrating thing is that I'm stuck at home trying to get this nap mess sorted day after day, but still none the wiser than I was 3 weeks ago and in the meanwhile not getting other stuff done. I think he's finally gone to sleep-at the time I was expecting him to be up!
I think tomorrow I'm just going to try 1 nap and try juggle that from now on, trying for 2 just is not happening. At least I've managed to get some work done while he's been discussing the meaning life with himself! ::)
feel better now, thanks :)
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It looks as though I've come to the right place. My DS2 will be a year tomorrow, and is showing all the signs of being ready to BEGIN the 2-1 switch. Doing it with DS1 seems like ages ago (but only in 2008), so I'll put a marker here so I can get to know everyone and possibly share and look for support and learn from your experiences, and, of course, empathize!!
Allison
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well we had nap refusal again yesterday so went to bed after 7 hours A time!!!!!! at 6.30pm, woke up at 7.30 and i had to resettle him but then slept till 7am, im a bit worried as hes handling the A time ok but not when its time for sleep, he even cried at bedtime last night, threw his book across the room, he never does that, loves his book time so im really worried OT is starting to creep in, but i cant get him to stay awake longer than 4 hours in teh AM!!! and then he does a 1.5 hour nap and its about 6 hours till bedtime, how do i fix this?? Ive tried cutting the AM nap down to 45mins and still no PM nap and a majorly grumpy boy from being woken up at 45mins!
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Hi ladies, I'm joining the board over here. From reading the last couple of pages, it seems like everyone's routines are going haywire!! Calebsmummy, my eldest (at 14 months) went down to one nap and at first he was doing:
wake 7
nap 10:30-12:00
bedtime 6:30 or 6:45
He had a LOOOOOONG A time after that nap, but after a few weeks, things were smooth sailing. There was the odd morning when he needed 20 min, like teething or illness, but eventually we got that nap around 12:00 and then finally 1 pm. You're not that far off at all!
Here's what we're doing with Jesse:
wake 6
nap 10ish-10:30
nap 2-3
bedtime 7
This is obviously not working, but that's how it's worked out the last couple of days. He'll go down for that am nap fine, but his pm nap he'll either go down nicely and then wake promptly an hour later or he'll wriggle around after being put down and then wake an hour and 15 min later. We've tweaked a lot of A times to try and figure this out, but it is just stinky over here. AND we've still only got 2 teeth. We're in for some trouble!!!!
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sounds like this is just the way it is supposed to be! If everyone is in the same pickle! HUGS to all of you!
Well, they say third days a charm! My son is at daycare all day today and hopefully will nap for atleast one nap. He refused his am nap both morning and I rushed him home to give him a proper pm nap. Now today I said enough if you go down for me you can go down for her! She is going to call if he doesn't nap by 1pm and I will go over and get him to nap THERE! OMG, home alone losing my mind!
He's been doing the pm nap for 2 hrs but going to bed at 6:00. I need him to sleep past 5 am. Any idea how to move the day forward at all? He ususally does 11 hrs so he's not doing EW.
This was yesterday
wake 5:00
nap 1 refused!
nap 2 11:35 till 1:35
bed at 5:55 but didn't settle till 6:20 with DH patting his bum in crib!
wake this morning 4:55.
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Oh, so glad to have others with whom to comiserate!!
DS2 is a year old today... since the new year, our days have looked like this:
wake: 5 am (!!!!!!!!!!)
nap 1: 8:30 or 9 to 10:30 or 11 (falls asleep in car on the way home from bringing DS1 to preschool; transfers to crib no problem)
nap 2: 3-ish, for about an hour, although refusing more and more often.
bed: between 6:30 and 7, depending on whether he took nap 2.
No NWs, but these EWs are killing us!!
Today might be the dawn of a new era, though. Slept til 6:15, didn't fall asleep in the car, and stayed up for a full 4 hours!! It's now 11:45 and he's still sleeping. If he stays asleep for another 45 minutes or so, I think it'll be only one nap again today, I won't even try for nap 2. DS2 is a true Angel baby, so I'm wondering if it just might be this easy for us? I doubt it, I'm sure we'll have to finnagle this bit by bit... but for now, I'm going to pretend we did the 2-1 nap switch in a day. 8)
Allison
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Allison, then what time would you put him to bed tonight?
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Well I need some support in a bit of advice.
My LO's routine looks like this:
wake 7am
nap #1 10:30-11:00
nap #2 2:30 - 3:45ish
bed 8pm
I'm trying to push out the morning A time because I have to do some pretty severe AP just to get it in at 3.5 hours. And after 30minutes am nap another 3.5 hours A time used to be perfect but not anymore!!! Now were pushing 3.75hrs A time between naps and I even had to do some AP to get that today :( Not good! We're really working on cramping our day in.
So, if I push out the morning A time do you all think that she'd be more tired for her pm nap? I'm really doubting it myself. What should my next routine adjustments look like?? I really think that if we went with 4 hours morning A time she would have no problem whatsoever. Is it a bad idea to just jump to 4 hours or should I take it in steps? This whole process is just so frustrating :-\
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nauvoo - we are on 4 hours A time but it is the long AM nap so our day goes like this
wake 7am
nap 1 11-12.30
nap 2 4.30-5 (if it happens)
bed 8pm
though lately its been hit and miss with the pm nap and asleep anywhwere from 6.30-7.30pm *sigh*
we had vaccinations the other day so im sure this has messed him up a bit too, apparantly the 12 month ones are pretty bad and mess them uip for about 2 weeks!! all my friends said their babies were so unsettled for 2 weeks afterwards. anyway yesterday was interesting, i pushed his morning nap to 4 hours 15 A time and got a 1 hour 20min nap which usually means UT but if we do a 4 hour A time we get 1.5 hours so i dont know, then he fell asleep in the car at 3.75 hours A time and only slept 25mins, woke up crying! so in bed by 7.20pm last night, woke up twice through the night where I had to help him back to sleep and slept till 7am
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Greenteamomma,
Bed at 6:40
It worked great yesterday... he slept from 10:10 am to 1:25 pm, then plowed through til 6:40. Up this morning at 5:30 (ick), but stayed up without issue til 10 am, and is now napping. We'll see how it goes.
Nauvoo, you're thinking in the right direction, I think, about moving your LO to a 4-hour A time. How old is she?
I'd make the move gradually to 4 hours (although my DS2 was able to increase A time in half-hour chunks, they're all so different!). You could do it with quiet snuggle book time, which can stretch the A time but hopefully not get her OT. That move may very well bring the two naps together into one nice big one. You might have to make bedtime earlier so A time isn't too long in the afternoon, but it sure must be great to sleep in til 7 am!!! (insert friendly jealousy here... we're up at 5 or 5:30 most days ::))
HTH
Allison
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Hi Ladies!
Well, i'm officially jumping on to this board....DS turns 1 tomorrow!! Where has the time gone??? We've been riding the bumpy 2-1 road for awhile now and im so glad to have had the help and support of the 2-1 board for babies. Our ideal routine is the long am /short pm...been working beautifully, then a couple of weeks ago, we threw in some travel, just for fun, you know and then the cold/stomach flu hit us hard and we are still recovering from all of that...last weekend was by far the worst, DS, who almost never has NW's, was up from 1am to 5:30am!!!,first 2 hours were all play and then he started vomitting!! poor little bub...fortunately that ended the next day, but then the diahrea started and we've not yet seen the end of it...just trying to keep him hydrated and well rested, but he doesn't have much of an appetite. Needless to say, he is beyond fussy and miserable, nothing I do seems to please him...hoping he cheers up a bit for his bday, or at the very least, for his party on sat.
We've been having more and more days with pm nap refusal and I just don't know where to tweak...we are running out of daytime hours!! lol!!...can't put him down earlier in the am, he will just have a UT nap and if I push the pm nap any later, well, we're just getting into nightime sleep. I feel like the 1 nap switch is getting closer and closer....it's almost scary and i don't even know why? lol!
Calebsmummy, when you say the 1yr vaccination caused him to be unsettled, do you mean in terms of sleep, or just mood in general?? we are booked for next week and i just can't imagine him getting any more "unsettled" than he's been lately...sighhh!!
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Hi flightmommy! Ugg, I hear you we had that flu too! It was awefull. Now he has recovered and is eating me out of house and home!
We are on day 4 of daycare, second day of full day and so far, no am nap! I have him tomorrow and for the weekend but he gets his 1 yr shots tomorrow morning so fun weekend! I hope to have him catch up on some naps. Happily, he woke several times but went back to sleep and slept till 5:55 this morning. Our latest in two whole long long months! Of course I didn't sleep cause I was in his room 4 times before 5 am! You think kids really understand us? for the first time I included in my time to sleep phrase its too early momma and appa are sleeping go back to sleep...and he did? LOL
Looks like we are all unsettled and all over the board....sometimes I wonder why I bother to tweak....moms who don't do BW don't worry about how many hours in the am vs the pm etc! ::)
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You're so right about the non BW moms...i'll sometimes ask them how long their LO's awake times are and they'll just look at me blankly, or say that they don't really know, that they're LO's "just do whatever"???
I can't wait till Caleb gets better from this nasty flu and wants to eat me out of house and home too!!! LOL!!
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Flightmommy - Caleb was unsettled by way of mood and sleep, really irritable, not sure what he wanted, maned, grizzled, cried, appeared tired but wasn't and then became OT and refused some naps, crying at bedtime which he never does and woke a couple of times in the night which he also never does. A friendof mine said the only way she culd settle her boy was to let him sleep with her at night and put him in a swing in the day
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Wow, ok then...not looking forward to that! Hope your Caleb is doing better now!!
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I think all of this unsettl-ed-ness (I make up words sometimes... sorry) must be due to being ready for the 2-1 switch. My DS2 has been doing the same. Crying before naps and bed time, throwing food during meals, waking early in the morning (it was 4:15 a.m. from Jan 1 to 16th). We're on day 3 of only one nap, working REALLY hard to avoid OT, and so far, so good. Last night he went to bed at 6:15, but slept til 6:40 this morning. Just went down for his ONLY nap ( ;D) at 10:35, with a few cries thrown in for good luck, I'm hoping he'll sleep til 1:30 so he can plow through til 6:30 tonight. We'll see!
I know exactly what you both mean about the non-BW'ers. I have a few friends who have had babies since I had DS1. I gave them the book as a gift, I believe they thought I was nuts. Last week I visited one of them who had a baby this past November. Her little guy is 10 weeks old, he was lying in the middle of the room on a blanket, his eyes darting around, crying, miserable. She told me "he's always like this. He's never happy, he never sleeps well or for long. WE're up all night, every 45 minutes or so, so I just feed him and he falls back to sleep". I asked her if it was time for his nap. She told me if it was time for his nap, he'd just fall asleep. He had been up for 7.5 hours!!! At 10 weeks old! She thinks that babies just magically fall asleep wherever they are, whenever they feel like it. Poor little guy! Now she's doing CIO, for heaven's sake! Nightmare.
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Ah, poor little guy/girl! When I had my son and he was not showing sleep signs I called a "help" line for moms Healthy Babies or something like that, and told them he never shows signs he's sleepy what do I do. They told me to WAIT till he does and then he'll go down and if he falls asleep in his jungle gym thingy that was ok! I didn't know BW then but I knew it was wrong. There had to be loose guidelines to follow....it didn't make sense. Then I came across BW! :) He's 12 months and I have been with him everyday for everynap shh/patting etc so RIGHT there, and he still doesn't show any signs....good thing I didn't WAIT for a sign....
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Same here with the sleepy signs as a newborn. He was awake for 13 hours once because my midwives told me that he would sleep when he was tired. Ummm, no! He was wide awake and frantic and could not sleep. I had to pull out all of the tricks to get the poor guy to sleep. I wonder how bad he would be now if I hadn't found BW!
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oh ladies, well yesterday we got an hour nap in the morning (i woke him) then we were out all afternoon and he fell asleep for 30mins in the car and had a decent bedtime, all in all it was a good day,however..... 3.50am i hear banging, hes banging on his cot so i wake up DH and i say "he's banging on his cot!!" then 5 mins later the cough/cry starts (if you know the one im talking about, not a cough but not quite a cry) so we wait and then he starts crying so we go to him, i do WI/WO until...wait for it..........5.10am yep nearly an hour and a half, we have gone from NO NW's to a 1.5 hour waking and then he was up at 6.40am. I am wrecked and hes really getting on my nerves!
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Things are really mucky around here. Jesse put all his skills together and pulled a pm nap refusal for the first time ever. We were doing this until yesterday.
Wake 6:15 ish
Nap around 10 for 30- 40 minutes (depending on how early his wake-up ws)
nap 2-3:15 ish
bedtime 7:15
Yesterday went like this:
wake- I think it was just before 7, but he may have been up earlier, fallen back asleep and then I noticed he was awake when I was getting up
nap 10:30-11:00 took ages to fall asleep. Was in bed at 10:00, though.
nap 3:05- 3:40 He refused it in his crib (just learned how to pull himself up, so that was the trick of the day), so I woke up his brother who was due to be up soon anyway and we headed for an APOP nap in the car. He was not having that nap in his crib.
Bedtime- 7:30 after 30 min of PD.
Awful. The day before he had had a wonderful 12 hour night and I chickened out on trying one nap. Last night he was up for two 30 minute stretches at 1 and 5am. Now he's OT and fighting naps and EW!!!!! AHHHHHHH!
Psst, If any of you are perusing the 2-1 for 12 months and under board, I posted this exact same post!! I copied it because I'd put it in the wrong place!!! I'm tired!
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Yup, things are mucky for sure!! Today was DS's bday!! Poor little guy was so sick though....he's been battling the stomach flu all week with vomiting and diahrea, but yesterday we had neither so I though maybe we were on the mend.....wrongg!! DS woke this morning at 7:30am, so not a bad night after going to bed at 8:15pm and I found him.....covered in old, dried up vomit!!! yes, that's right...all over his sleeper, blanket, crib and bumper pads...oh, and a full diaper of diahrea (sorry if TMI, but we're all mommies!! lol!!). I don't know when he had actually vomitted, but it must have been hours before....and he never cried!!! I sleep with the monitor on my pillow and i am a really light sleeper, so I know for sure i would have heard him, even if he would have whimpered!! I just can't believe that!! I felt so bad for him...anyways, the day went downhill from there, he was beyond miserable, so i took him to his ped. and turns out he has yet another ear infection and is again on antibiotics!!! What a first day!
Obviously, under these circumstances, my independent sleeper wants to be rocked to sleep for naps...in the past, he's always gone back to his good sleeping habits when he feels better, so i'm hoping that's the case again this time.
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Oh Jo, poor little Caleb!!!! what a rough time he is having, i think i have to count myself blessed that at least I dont have THAT to deal with!
we went swimming before and he LOVED it, he is currently having a PM nap (yeah i waited to leave till it was nap time so that he would fall asleep in teh car on the way home, so i stole a nap in that way as he only slept one hour this morning, even after 4.5 hours A time!!) we also took him to a restaurant for the first time ever, he sat in his chair and ate lots of food, he was so well behaved. ive actually had a fantastic day with him :)
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So my LO is at 4hrs A time before her short (30min) am nap. then she goes 3.5hrs until her pm nap which is usually 1hr15min. But she is having a hard time settling for her pm nap and it usually ends up being 3.75 hours (and even 4hrs at times) between naps making our day really cramped and extra long. Should I try for a 20 min nap in the am? If so should I still continue to push out the first A time until we can get to 4.5hrs? I've been told once we get here then we can try for 1 nap. Also once we get to 4.5hrs A time safely, do I try for 1 nap after 4.5 hrs or should I push it out even farther?
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nauvoo - Caleb can only handle 3 hours A time after a 30-45min nap, perhaps you should try and cut that second nap down to that as it sound like she is struggling, maybe shes getting OT with that one?
Im wonderingh the same thing though about A times, if i have Caleb at 4 horus 15mns A time it makes for nearly a 14 hour day! that cant be good!
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well both naps he tried refusing today, he pushed his first nap to 4.75 hours a time adn we made it a 30min nap in order to have him tired enough for a PM nap and he still refused his PM nap so we put him in the car and drove till he fell asleep, its funny, we never APOP when he was younger and now we seem to be doing it all the time in order just to make sure he doesnt get OT with all these missed naps hes doing! Im thinking he can only do one nap but what A time?? im really lost, hes all over the show and when he does sleep he sleeps for 1 hour 20- 1 hour 40mins only!!!
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HELP! Think it is well and truly time for us to be here on the 2-1 switch board! Our routine for about 8 months now has been great, with naps getting a bit shorter so we had a routine like this
Awake 7am
Sleep 11am-12.15
Sleep 3.30-4.30
Bed 6.45
And it was perfect. I have been droning on to anyone who will listen about BW and how great the routine is, how he STTN etc......
Now its is not ok anymore. The last week or 2 its all gone wrong.
Yesterday it was like this
Awake 7.30 (DH's day to get up - think the boys have a conspiracy to sleep in on a sat!)
Sleep 11am-12.15
Sleep 3.30-4.15 (took a while to settle)
Bed 6.45
Today Awake 6.20 (playing in crib til i went to get him at 7.05)
Would not have milk/breakfast anything. Put him back to bed at 7.30- its now 7.50 and he is playing in crib again!
Which means he is only having 3.5hrs A. Its no wonder he is cranky and EW's! But how to stretch A?
How do i stretch and morph into a 1 nap day? I have tried long am nap/short pm and the opposite way round, I am wondering if we need a cold turkey 1 napper?
Oh and he has started walking in the last 2 weeks....could this be the problem?
Lili xx
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Lili, sounds familiar, and I don't really think there is one answer for routines going wonky. I truly think it could be various things, walking included.
We are having some weird days also. We've stretched to 4 hours A in the morning (and I'm sure it'll stretch more) but even with a 30 minute am nap she just takes longer and longer to fall asleep for the pm nap. It seems to be corresponding with stretching out the morning A time :-\ I just can't get things right.
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we are the same Nauvoo, even with a 30min nap yesterday he refused his PM nap so we ended up driving him in the car till he fell asleep and transferring to his bed, had to wake him up at 1 hour or it wouldve been a late bedtime. im so tired, this is waaaay more exhausting than dropping the catnap (i think it is anyway, could be my memory is hazy though!)
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Flightmommy, I feel your pain! For our DS2, it's not the stomach flu but an awful cough, way deep down, with wheezing. He's coughed so much a few times that he has vomited. No fun, especially around birthday time (his was last Wed, with the party yesterday). As Caleb's mom has experienced, our little independent sleeper has also wanted to be rocked to sleep, even for bedtime, which is odd for him. I think being horizontal hurts his new teeth: he cut 3 molars this week!!
We've moved to 1 nap over the past few days, we were quite ready, but I think I may have done it too quickly. Then again, the sickness may have messed it up a bit, too. Today, for example:
wake: 6:15
nap 1: 9:15 to noon
nap 2: seemed exhausted at 3:30, so we tried, with no success
bed: he was absolutely finished, so he went to bed at 6:05.
I'm afraid of what time he'll wake tomorrow. He inevitably also wakes DS1, so then we're all up. Sure hope we're not back to the 4:30 am business...
Allison
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Calebsmummy, the catnap was NEVER like this. We also had a 30min nap today followed by a very hard to get 1hour after 4hrs A time. I guess if this keeps up I'll have to move to 20 min just so she'll be tired when the pm nap comes.
I am completely utterly JEALOUS of my friends here whose LO's take great naps. They seem to have it way easier (perspective of course). I know 12 months is young to switch over to 1 nap but I feel it coming at 13 months for sure. We are counting the days (fingers crossed).
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Nauvoo06, i totally agree....12 months is young to do the switch and i never thought we'd be on the early side, but Caleb is showing all the signs. From birth, he's always been a high sleep needs baby and could never do the A times for his age, he easily tired. Now, he's streching out A times like i've never seen and taking looong (cross my fingers) naps and refusing the second nap, so what else can a mommy do? I feel like when I wake him from his am nap just so that he'll have a pm nap, he's super cranky and miserable all day, like i'm messing with his natural sleep pattern.
On the other hand, i think that going cold turkey and stricly doing one nap can lead to OT, so i'm going to try to mix it up, one nap day, followed by a few 2 nap days then back to one, etc....and see how he does. I guess I just thought we'd be dealing with this much later, like around 15 or 16 months.
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flight mommy, we are doing this too! I am waking him from nap 1 at 12.15, and hoping we get a pm nap. But maybe i should try stretching out a bit longer so he goes to sleep at about 11.15, then wakes after 1????
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ok, this morning caleb fell asleep at 2.5 hours A time in the car on teh way to his appointment, nothing we could do about it, he slept for 30 mins as we had to wake him up, then at 3 hours A time (the usual he can stand after a 30min nap) he was exhausted and we were driving home, he fell asleep in the car again and we transferred him to his cot and he slept 45mins! so he was up at 2pm, he was in bed by 6.45pm
Im home tomorrow, i have no idea what to do with him anymore.. his A times are all over the place
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Much sympathy sent your way calebsmummy. I feel exactly the same!
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well today was interesting!!!
I have not a clue in the world what time my LO woke up. I heard her about 5am jabbering away but then I didn't hear anything else until she was calling for me at 6:30am. So I couldn't go on A times and about 9:30am she was a bit cranky so I gave her some milk our of her straw sippy. She was sitting in my lap drinking it and about half way through she was asleep :) Terribly cute! She hasn't fallen asleep drinking milk in AGES.
I woke her after 30 minutes and after another 3 hours 15min A time I put her down and she slept 2 HOURS!!!!!! I had to wake her for fear of her not sleeping tonight. I think it's been about 8 months since we had a 2 hour nap. Never happens around here anymore. It really makes me wonder what time she woke this morning? All the same I'm praying for a good night and a good wake up because we have been getting our fair share of EW's around here and I've not a clue what to do about it.
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been a while since I've been on here because of H's teething but I think we're in the thick of the 2-1 now! Done a one nap day about 4 or 5 times now. First 2 times got naps of almost 3 hrs, but then had 3 hrs of screaming/crying NW those nights :( Gave up on that for a while but we've done a few more. 2 weeks ago he did a 2 hr nap followed by a 12 hr night, Saturday he did a 2hr25 min nap and a 1hr NW but wasn't upset, just awake. Today he did a 2hr5 min nap and we'll see how the night goes.
I guess I'm just bummed that we're only getting 2 hr naps now :( He woke at 7:10 this am, 11 hrs of night sleep, so I had him down asleep at 11:50. He did wake at 1hr20 min but went right back to sleep. He was fine all evening, not the least bit cranky! He was asleep at 6:40. Should I have pushed him more this morning???
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Alyssa its hard to say, we always get 1 hr 20-40min naps after that long of an A time too but i know it cant be UT
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Nauvoo06, we've often had great nap days like you've had and when I go back to see what that first A time was that made everything so magical, it's often on those days where I don't know when DS woke, so of course, impossible to know how to repeat it again......On the other hand, it's funny how you just went with it, didn't really focus on calculating that first A and got the perfect balance anyways, huh? Go figure...sometimes I feel like we just can't win at this game!!
After our one nap day yesterday, which DS slept from 11am to 1:30pm and went to bed at 7pm, he woke this am at 6am...a good 11 hour night, but I thought on one nap that they tend to do longer nights, like 12 hours or even more? I know I shouldn't complain because so many people(including myself at times) get EW's and 6 am isn't that early, but since I get later wakings, around 7:30am or even 8ish, when I do the catnap and put him down at 8pm, it's just so tempting to keep the 2 naps for now.....that is of course, if DS lets me!! lol!! He fought it hard today, but in the end...I won!! His first nap was from 10:15-12noon, i woke him from this one and then aimed for 4 hours later for his catnap..he wouldn't go at all, just played and played for 40 minutes, then started crying and finally i had to rock him...slept from 5:10-5:40....in my arms!! yes, major APOP on that one!! But even with an early bedtime, DS would have been wayyy OT since he'd been up since 12 noon...it just couldn't give in. He's just now fallen asleep and it's 8:40pm..which i feel is way too late and it took him forever, doing the 7 mile stare, which makes me wonder if he was OT, having been up since 6am......ughh, like I said, you can't win at this game. And of course, as some of you know, DS is famous for his 2 hour middle of the night crib parties when he's truly OT!! Hope he skips it tonight!
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Flightmommy, I thought they were supposed to do longer nights, too! H did a 2 hr nap yesterday and woke EVERY hour last night :( He settled himself pretty quickly until 4am when I went in and gave him meds and rocked for an hour. He was still up by 6. I don't consider that a good night!
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hjrmom01, so sorry about your night...every hour, that's rough! I think that's indicative of pain though, if I remember correctly, and not OT. Hope you have a better day today.
Well, after going to bed at 8:40pm(due to late catnap5:10-5:40), DS woke at 6:40 this morning.....not so early, but considering the bedtime, thats only a 10 hour night, and with DS that means OT for sure.....even though his last A was only 3 hours, which is usually a good safe A time for us, he still went to bed OT and i'm guessing that it's due to such a long day, 14h40? Do you ladies base it more on last A time for bedtime, or on the entire length of the day, ie, trying not to go over 13 hours? I'm wondering if this could have been avoided if i'd just put him to bed earlier, but then i'm not sure he would have fallen asleep with less than 3 hours A from his last nap, KWIM?? I'm just trying so hard to avoid OT here, especially with the last 2 weeks of illness finally behind us.
Got to go, i hear DS making a phone call on the house phone.....lol
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Flightmummy, I was wondering if it was discomfort more than OT? He had motrin and tylenol before bed but maybe those molars are just nagging. He's cutting his first one. There's a bit of it through the gum but no where near the wide part yet :-\ As far as going by their day or A time...I generally use A time because I don't usually count the time when H actually wakes. If he wakes up at 6/6:30 his first nap (if doing a 2 nap day) is still at 10:30 or later. I count his day from when I actually go to him. Don't know if it's right or not!
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My LO is teething also. We have had very little until this point so we'll see how it goes. I really think it is why she took a 2 hour pm nap yesterday. She went down after 3.5 hours A time for the night and slept 11 hours. woo hoo!!!
We seem to be in some kind of a pattern. For the last 6 or 7 days my LO will wake at exactly 6:05am with a loud cry from which she will then keep crying. And she is the type that will wake up and chat to herself in the morning for 30-45 minutes. This morning she went back to sleep for 30 minutes when I went into her and lay her down but most mornings we are not so lucky. I've done W2S a number of times but not for at least 4 months now. Could this perhaps be a pattern that requires W2S?? Is W2S still indicated for 12 month olds? I'd really like for her to get past it and don't mind giving it another day or 2 to see if she gets past it herself. However, whenever I hear her at this time I never go back to sleep even if she does :-\
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we are teething here too! we had a perfect day yesterday, 30min nap in the AM and 1 hr 20min nap in the PM (next door neighbours dog woke him up earlier) so it was all good, i think we will try sticking with that for now
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yay!! for perfect days.
We also had a great day. 30 min am nap and 1hr 45 min pm nap!!!! It must be a teething thing because we never get longer than 1hr 15min naps. I love it! ;D
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Ohhh, wish I could join you all in the "perfect day" group.....this pm catnap thing is getting worst and worst, and as a result, we are doing more and more one nap days, far more than i would want at only 12 months. Today, as I was shshing, rocking and jiggling (yes, all at once..lol!!) to try to get him to sleep, I started thinking about trying the short am/long pm routine...it never worked for us before, but clearly what we're doing now isn't working either..it was sooo beautiful though for awhile there, no nap refusals, looong amnap, easy short pm nap, 11.5h nights..ahhhh, the luxury!!
Here's our day today:
6:40am awake (short night though, 10hrs)
10:45-12:15 nap1
4:15pm (start trying for catnap..was falling asleep in my arms during windown, so looked favorable...put him down and he just played, and played....and played, with some fussing towards the end....UNTIL 5:30PM!!! Then i tried the APOP...no luck)
7:15pm asleep (tried for earlier bedtime, but it was already 6pm by the time i gave up on his catnap, should have given up earlier!!)
So, after 4 hours A time, he doesn't seem to want to nap again..i've tried a longer A and same thing. Maybe he's actually overtired and could do with a shorter A??? I'll give it one more day and do the shorter A time, but I really have my doubts.
For those of you doing the short am/long pm, what A times work for you? I haven't tried it in sooo long and wouldn't know where to start.....just wondering so that i have an idea what to do with him. LOL!! I just know i've got to tweak something, i don't feel like we're going in the right direction at all.
I'm returning to work next month (yuck!!) and the thought of leaving him with someone during such 2-1 chaos makes me nervous...i mean, if I can't get it right with all the reading and posting i've done here, how can I expect someone else to get it right?
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flightmommy (sorry I don't know your name!) when we first started the short am and long pm we did something like this:
up at 7
nap 1 10-10:30
nap 2 1:30-3:30
bedtime 7:30
I kept pushing out that first nap and over time his A time between the 2 naps lengthened to 3.5 hrs. After that we went to the 20 min am nap
up at 7
nap 1 10:30-10:50
nap 2 1:45/2-up by 3:45/4
bedtime 7:45/8
Again, we kept pushing that first nap out a bit (slowly as needed) and the A between the 2 naps lengthened to 3.5 hrs. We had to start cutting back the pm nap to 1.5 hrs to keep bedtime reasonable! Even though H had a good pm nap he always stuck with 4/4.25 to bed, especially when cutting teeth...he goes way down and like a nice shorter time before bed.
Hope that helps you!! H has been on the 20-30 min am nap for quite some time now. I think we started the 20 min nap back in November! We've done a few one nap days since then but we've only had 1 good night resulting from that. I have a hard time getting that last A time right!!
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Thanks, that helps for sure! How is your LO though after being woken from his 20-30 min nap? DS is beyond crabby when woken from his pm catnap, i dread going up to his room to get him lol!! And he's just soo used to having his deliciously long am nap that i'm sure if I wake him from that after 30 minutes, i'm going to be dealing with one cranky toddler.....oh well, the alternative is not any better anyways!! lol!!
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Jo - we have the same issue and Caleb hates being woken up, i woke him at 30 mins this morning and he was crying and everytime i put him down on the floor or whatever he would cry and come after me, so what ive started doing is i just sit wiht him and cuddle and spend 20mins with him and then he comes right. its like he needs that extra comfort because he doesnt like to be woken early
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Thanks Jo, good to know! I think my Caleb would respond well to that too. Are you officially on the short am/long pm now? What are your A times like?
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Well I thought we were but he's just refused his PM nap!!! After a 30 min AM nap I have just endured 35mins of screaming as I did WI/WO so we are now in the car doing APOP! I've never done so much APOP as I have in the last week with these nap refusals and it's driving me insane!
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so he fell asleep in teh car, got him home and he only slept a total of 30mins! we tried extending but he screamed to the point of gagging. Im so over this...........I just want to cry
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Jo, I'm so sorry that Caleb only slept another 30 min :( Do you think he was OT or maybe discomfort from teeth?? Or, if he's refusing the PM nap and you think he was initially UT you can try the 20 min?
Jo (other Jo!), H doesn't like to be woken up either...and I hate waking him. But I go in and turn off his white noise and his fan and then step out of the room for a minute. When I come back in he's usually awake and I pick him up and we have a cuddle in the rocker. We read books, talk about what we'll do. After a few he'll push away and want down to play, then I know we're good to go ;) It really helps to get out and about after the short am nap to keep him busy and keep any crankies at bay!!!
So I'm officially fed up with teething and the 2-1. Today H did
up at 7
nap 1 10:40-10:55
nap 2 1:50-3:30
bedtime 7:50ish
NW 1:15 He woke up and cried for a second but then stopped. He was moving around and trying to go back to sleep and would keep crying out. Finally at 2 I went in and gave him some Tylenol and MOtrin (we also medicate before bed). We rocked and he fell back asleep at 2:20 only to shoot up awake 20 mins later. He is SO restless and constantly is kicking and stretching in his sleep. I couldn't get him back to sleep so I put him in his crib at 2:45 where he has been off and on screaming for 10 mins. I better go back in and settle him. This is only the first molar and I'm already to call it quits! And all I hear it "nothing you can do about it!"
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oh Alyssa i feel for you, after Caleb got up i saw the tooth had cut through the gums and also he had a massive welt on his leg which looked like an insect bite so im presuming thats what all that was about, but Molars! ugh, no way! I hope it comes through soon for you, im no looking forward to that experience
and just so everyone is confused my name is Jo and DS is Caleb and Flightmommy's name is Jo and her son is named Caleb as well :D
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yeah, talk about confusing!! :P
H has been working on this molar since...Christmas I think? At least January. We're definitely at least 4 weeks into it...he is a massively SLOW teether ::) :-\
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I hear ya on the slow teething....Caleb turned 1 last week and still NO TEETH!!! Not even a sign of one....his fingers are constantly in his mouth, but they have been since he's been 3 months old, so who knows!! I just wish he'd get some soon, i'm so tired of having to puree everything!!
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Jo, I thought H was a slow teether getting the first at 9.5 months! My niece didn't get any until she was like 13 or 14 months old...then got a MOUTHFUL! But she never had any problems with them. Maybe that's how Caleb will be!
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Alyssa, I really hope you're right....Caleb doesn't take well to anything though, he's very sensitive...very touchy, so if the teething gets really intense and we get a mouthful at once, we may be in for some serious trouble!!
Well, I may have figured out why we were getting pm nap refusal....that middle A time was too long I think. I shortened it yesterday and he went down no problem and i had to wake him after 45 minutes!! We'll see today if the same thing works...but it makes sense really, i don't know why i couldn't see it before....he does 4 hoursA time after a full night's sleep, so he obviously needs less A time after a 1.5 hour nap...don't know why I thought he could do 4 hours again, so it's 3.5 now. Hope it keeps working!!
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This is the one place I can go when I'm feeling like tearing my hair out over the 2-1.
We are having just the same kind of issues here, but I think we are not going to kick OT until we're down to one nap steadily!
We were doing the short am/long pm nap for months until Jesse started refusing his afternoon nap, even on an A time that was neither too long or too short (we played around for a long time with that second A time!!!) So, now we're doing the long am/short pm nap scheme, as that's what we did with our first son and it seemed to work the best. Both my DSs are similar, but #2 is a bit more touchy. Anyway, it's taking forever for Jesse to settle for that short cat nap, which we've now cut down to around 15-20 minutes to save bedtime, which is also taking ages to arrive when we put him down. Anyone else's day look like this? Does this even look right?!?!
wake 6:15 (too early for me, but there's not much I can do about it now)
nap 10:30 or 10:45-11:45 or 12:00 (typically only one hour 15-30 minutes long)
nap 3:50ish-4:10
bedtime 7:30 or 7:40 (once as late as 8pm!!)
I know that catnap is robbing his night sleep, but this is nuts!! How is he supposed to do 7 hours at the end of the day?????
Joining the frustration train!!
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Gavinsmum1, thought I'd pass on a few suggestions as I've been where you are - in fact, I've been where all of you on here have been! (been on one nap for two months now).
- Have you tried messing around with that first A time? Does cutting back to 4 hours produce a longer or shorter nap? I'm just thinking that 4.5 hours might be a bit much for his age. But in saying that, if he can successfully do 4.5 hours, I'd consider jumping to one nap and bringing bedtime much earlier.
- My gut is saying the second A time is too long. However, if he's really ready for one nap, he'd need the same amount of A time as the morning, that's what I found.
- Bedtime is too late. Have you tried 7.15? More than three hours A time on a 20 minute nap could be too much.
Good luck :)
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Gavinsmum1, our day looks just like yours and we are dealing with some terrible pm nap issues.....the only solution on most days is some serious APOP!! Caleb did the 7 hour stretch the other day from 12:15 (wake from am nap) to bedtime at 7:15pm and he was sooo OT...luckily, no NW's, but we've been getting short nights ever since and crabby baby all day. OT has definitely set in and like you say, I think it's going to be here for awhile....I cannot wait until this 2-1 business is over and we are safely on one nap!!
Jaspersmum, I going to steal some of your tips too, they're really good! It's nice to hear from someone who's been there!
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Jaspersmum, thanks for the advice. :) We've really been all over the place with nap routines lately as DS gone through some major developmental stuff, is teething, and has not been himself since Christmas. Anyhow, I've been trying to push out the am A time in hopes of lengthening his am nap. The days we've left it at 4 hours A time, he's stirred around at the 45 minute mark in his nap and started sucking his thumb and continued on in light sleep. This morning we did 4 hours 15 min and he seemed to fall asleep more quickly (within 5 min) and nap more soundly, even though it was only 1 hour 15 m in long. The second A time is what it is. We've tried putting him down earlier, and he fights that nap for 45 minutes sometimes. The earliest he'll go down is after about 3 hours 40 min. What was the A time I'd written before??? I'll have to check! I do agree with you on the bedtime thing, though, it's just really hard getting two toddlers, fed, bathed, and bed on time most nights. DH is also working nights this week, so I'm stuck with 2 on my own, which makes for some rushed bedtime routines. Tomorrow, I'm going to aim for a shorter last A time.
So if he wakes at 6:15, I'll try a 10:30 am nap, hope he'll do 1 hour 15 or more again, aim for a 3 hour 40 min nap, give him 20 minutes and then 3.5 hours or a little less before bed. So, something like this:
wake 6:15 (later would be splendid!)
nap 10:30-11:45
nap 3:25-3:45
bedtime 7:15 or so (the other day we did something like this and it took Jesse 45 minutes to settle!! I'd had him in bed at 7:15 and he did not fall asleep until 8)
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