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Title: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: romyluisa on November 25, 2009, 13:13:44 pm
hi all,

I'm at wits end.  My 7mo (8mo next week) DS does not eat solids.  we've been trying for a couple of months with the usual baby rice, porridge, mushy veggies, rusk biscuits (soggy mush & in solid biccy form), rice cakes, banana, pureed fruit (various flavours)..  But nothing seems to take his fancy. 
I think over the past 6 weeks he's probably had two decent feeds - that is, taken about 4 tablespoons (60-80grams) in one session.

He wants it - he eyeballs us while we eat, and reaches out for anything we have. But put it on a spoon, or in his hand - and he tightens his lips closed and mmmmmm  :-X mmmmmmm  :-X mmmmmmmm mmm's!!

Once we give up, cause he starts getting too upset - and I don't want to force him to eat - we'll resort to giving his bottle; of which he's taking about 200-240mls (per feed)

He was a very small little baby = 4lbs2oz. But is up to "normal" now, and developing along in all physical ways, on track.

we've tried every trick in the book; waiting for up to an hour after he wakes - until he's starving: straight away after waking: giving him some bottle first, then food: really runny food: more solid food: him playing with toys/spoons/bottle/food while we try & catch his open mouth
Anything & everything!! :o

My last hope is taking him to see a Osteopathist (no idea how to spell it!) for some cranial manipulation.  I've an appointment for next Monday.  I just don't know what else to do.

He's teething at the moment - the first one. It's taking AGES to break-through. So i'm thinking this could have some effect.  I'm just really stressed & worried that time is ticking on, and he's just not satisfying himself with the bottle anymore - and pushing 8months, I feel that he should be flying with eating SOMETHING!!


Oh - another thing (it's never-ending ::) ) he has big wind issues.  Had him on Colief & Infacol up until about a month ago. Burps OK  :-\ now - but we have big issues with reflux now..  If he doesn't have about 5 or 6 burps per feed - we're g'teed to see half (or more) of the bottle come back out..
This is another drama I'm well & truly over with..   :-[  Although, my floor has never been cleaner!!  sigh....

Anyone with any hints/advice/CURES!?   ;)
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: magdalenapl on November 25, 2009, 14:27:47 pm
Hi
Sorry I do not have any advice for you. Just to let you know my LO is almost at the same age (7 months and 10 days) and we are on the same boat !
Still no solids - no purees, no finger foods. I am trying to feed her 2 times per day, each time around 2,5 hour after she takes her bottle (max 150 ml per feed). Each time she takes 5-6 tsp. We even dropped DF cold turkey with hope she will have some more appetite during the day, but it did not work either...
I have no idea what am I doing wrong :(
Tracy said to give solids before milk and that is what I am going to try tomorrow.
Big hugs.
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: Mimi 2 on November 25, 2009, 18:15:42 pm
Hugs to you.  I know how it feels.  Been there with dd.  We did everything from giving meds (to increase appetite) to feeding clinic to adhering to a strict routine as per advice from OT.   Finally I decided to just relax (hard to do when she's in the low percentile) and offer food BLW style.  And it worked.  Took several months but it worked.  So there's hope to all this.

Have a look at BLW see if this is something you would like to try.  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=92560.0  and this  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=136091.msg1773047#new

HTH

Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: romyluisa on November 25, 2009, 22:40:54 pm
Thank you girls.
Good to know that we're not the only ones out there!  :)

Magdalenapl; That's interesting about the cold-turkey DF...  I was thinking about dropping it (hubby insisting it should be gone by now) - but with DS not eating, I know he's just not going to last through the night without the DF.  At the moment, he's slipping into a 5am wakeup time; which i'm hoping is just the tooth issue, as we were having a great couple of weeks of 6-7am.  Which was an absolute dream (literally!!!) 
So with the dwindling intake of food - it has definitely resulted in earlier waking; so i'm definitely NOT going to be dropping the DF just yet!!!  :-\

Mimi2:  thank you for the other leads. I'll have a look through these & see if we can try something new.   :)

Well, I'll let you know what happens with the Cranial next week.  Fingers crossed!

thanks again ladies!!
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: magdalenapl on November 26, 2009, 09:59:32 am
Hi
I had to drop DF since my LO started to wake up just before the DF time and above this she could not fall asleep after DF for 2-3 hours sometimes. In fact it was not DF anymore, I had to burp her, change several times because she was spitting up. She suffers from reflux and DF just made it worse. Also she had no appetite for bottle in the mornings.
DF was great when she really slept during feeding, since it was the only meal she did not spit up. I believe thanks to DF she was gaining the weight.
But solids are my nightmare now. I feel so so so badly and ashamed when I am reading all the posts about LOs at the same age eating almost everything with their parents...
I would like to know what am I doing wrong...

Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: Mimi 2 on November 26, 2009, 19:33:01 pm
Hi Magda,

What are you currently offering?  Is she able to self-feed?
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: magdalenapl on December 02, 2009, 09:36:42 am
Hi again
sorry for late answer.
I am sure my DD is just not hungry and that can be a reason she is not interested in solids as well.
Each time I feed her I have a feeling she eats because I gave her a bottle.
Tomorrow we go to the hospital :( to make some more testing concerning her reflux, so I hope to have some more information from our GI how to deal with the solids and her milk intake.
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: Mimi 2 on December 02, 2009, 20:19:14 pm
Keep us posted.  Hugs to her and you.  Having a refluxer sucks big time.

xoxox
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: Buga on December 09, 2009, 23:01:02 pm
Hi there!

Just curious... how did your appointment go?  I'm worried that we're falling into the same situation... my almost 7 month old doesn't want anything to do with baby food type things.  Of course all my friends with 'good intentions' are voicing their concerns which then makes me wonder if I should be concerned.  ???

Hope all went well!
Lynn
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: magdalenapl on December 11, 2009, 22:00:00 pm
Hi
thanks for reply...
The testing in the hospital was horrible ! and nothing new in fact except a lot of fear and stress for my DD and us. The doctors admitted once again my DD has reflux caused by delayed gastric emptying...
and the conclusion from the discussion concerning how to feed her was that maybe I should follow her hunger...arrrgghhh I tried so many times !!!! what should I do if she is not hungry at all for 8 hours during the day ???
and I have heard again, that she should eat more vegetables, meat etc, but no one gave me any advice how to make her do it!
Last day I gave her veggies before milk and she ate some, but did not drink milk at all, so the balance of the day was 2 times formula 150 ml each, some tsp of veggies and 120 ml cereal with fruit... So the doctor said it is not enough nutrition for proper growth....But how can I make her eat more ?
I am just fed up with all the "good intentions" and " wow, my baby eats already ....." and "at this age your baby should eat at least ....." voices.
In addition my DD has a cold and high fever since yesterday, so I am really depressed. She is so sick :(:(:(
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: Buga on December 12, 2009, 16:39:00 pm
{{{Hugs}}}  I am so sorry that you weren't able to get better information.  And with her feeling sick must be so hard!  Wouldn't it be great if there was an actual real and true book that could be written specifically for our own child?   

It sounds like you tried every trick in the book and you may have tried this too... but what about having someone other than you or your husband try to feed him?  If he associates you both with the ease of eating from the bottle, he may be trying to hold out and fuss until you give him one. 

We're only on day two... but my LO wouldn't eat for me or my mom (she gives him a bottle of EBM while I'm at work one day a week) but when I asked my dad to try, Sean was more open to trying it and actually ate all of his rice cereal!  The next night I had my husband try and in minutes it was gone!  This could be a fluke, but I'm going with it.  My hopes are if he's exposed to it enough from a neutral source, he'll begin to like it more. 

Again, good luck and keep us posted!
Lynn
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: Mimi 2 on December 13, 2009, 17:10:32 pm
Hugs Magdalena,

I don't have much time now but will be back later tonight. 
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: Mimi 2 on December 14, 2009, 02:49:09 am
Lynn's idea of having someone else feed is very good.  Many moms noticed that los eat better when mom is not around.  It doesn't hurt to try.  Also, try to offer food with lots of calories & healthy fats.  You can add formula to all her food or even add cream.  If the amount she eats is minimal then you need to increase the nutritional value of the food she does eat.  Does that make sense?

The diagnosis of delayed gastric emptying concerns me especially if your dr is NOT prescribing any meds or offering any other advice other than "follow her hunger cues" and his comment that "it is not enough nutrition for proper growth".  I'm not sure how the health system works in Poland but could you get a second opinion?

DD was also diagnosed with delayed gastric emptying (silent refluxer as well) and she was put on med.  It did increase her appetite. 
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: magdalenapl on December 14, 2009, 08:42:57 am
Hi
thanks a lot Mimi and Lynn for warm words and advices.
On Wednesday we go to another GI to get some more helpfull opinion I hope.
My DD is on meds already, but not motility agents, since she did not tolerate it well.
I started to DF again since she ate even less last days due to fever. In addition to cold and fever she is teething :(
so she did not eat almost any solids last days, so I gave her more formula instead.
I hope she is still gaining the weight...
Let's see what Wednesday's appointment will bring us..
Thanks a lot again
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: romyluisa on December 21, 2009, 12:29:08 pm
Hi all,
Just thought I'd give an update on our situation too...
Have had a couple of appointments with Osteopathy - but unfortunately, no improvement.
DS is starting to teeth (we think, although - we've been thinking this for a couple of months now, on & off.... ). We're kind of praying for a tooth at this stage!!!
The vomiting got to a point where I took him to the GP - who couldn't find a thing wrong with him. (€50 for that analysis!) - and has given us a referral to a Ped.specialist.  The thoughts of sticking the tube down this throat to see what the issues are is scary.  and at the moment, to be honest, i'm delaying that route....
At the moment though, we're still seeing at least 1 bottle per day projectiling over my floor.  I've just been reading about the reflux 101 stuff; most sounds very familiar.  I'm just worried about using drugs (we're kind of a "natural medicine" family).  I did notice though, the use of a soother is recommended to help.  Has anyone any alternative to this - as I'm really proud of the fact that DS doesn't use one, and I REALLY don't want to give him one now!!

On the food front - I'm trying the "self-feed" options.  he loves it - but I don't see enough actually being consumed to warrent a "feed"!  He's still difficult with spoon feeding - taking a max of 4-6teaspoons; maybe twice a day.  So therefore, still on 6 odd full 240ml bottles per day; PLUS the DF!!

I'm trying to be persistant & positive; but when you're mopping up manky milk at 4.30am off the kitchen floor,  or (like last night) having to give two DF's as the first one was projectiled across the cot.....  it's very dis-heartening....
:-(
Title: Re: 8 month old - refusing solids
Post by: Mimi 2 on December 21, 2009, 19:08:11 pm
Hugs romy,

Yes, the soother does seem to help with the reflux.  DD was also given the soother but I found it to be very bad in the sleep department.  She wouldn't go to sleep without.  Anyway, I got rid of it after she had it for about a month at 3.5 mos(?).  What I did to help with her reflux was

- offer small feeds (3-4 oz) and slowly increase that amount when she got older.
- elevate the crib to about 5-6 inches (two thick telephone books under one end of the mattress)
- let her sleep on her side by propping a small pillow behind her back.

If you don't want to use meds to control his reflux then I think there are other moms in the CRC board who can offer some suggestions.  GL