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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: MummyToBen on March 15, 2010, 14:45:47 pm
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Hi Ladies,
Please can you help me figure out what to do as I'm not sure.....
Ben has *just* started properly teething...he's cutting his second ( :o :P) tooth now. So, whereas for many people they are advised to stick to two naps while lo is teething, I will be on two naps for months and months at this rate!!
He is consistently waking at 4.45am, crying out and then going back to sleep until 5.55/6am :(. He is not waking in the night, but our mornings are getting earlier and earlier. He was sleeping til 7 or even 7.30 a few weeks ago, which was amazing for us.
His routine is something like:
6am wake
10am-10.20 sleep
1.20 - 3.20 sleep
7pm bed
But there have been *lots* of times recently where he wakes crying during his second nap, or wakes after an hour happy, or it takes him ages to get to sleep (an hour today!). On days where he does short naps I give him an early night and he normally makes up on some of the sleep and doesn't get too OT. I medicate when necessary for naps.
We did try a one nap day a while ago - he slept for 1hr10 and woke screaming (OT). Do I just try again and persevere with it?
Thank you
xx
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listening in.....what birthday is B? I guess he and H are exactly the same age :)
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3rd November :)
I think Henry is a couple of days older than Ben if I remember?
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yes 29th Oct - was due on the 31st x
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How would you feel about shifting everything slightly - so a later 1st and 2nd nap and later bed? That way he could stay on his 2 naps for a bit but you're extending his first A time in prep for one nap? Would that work do you think?
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Yes, I could try that. My main reason for not wanting to do it is that I'm SO tired by the end of the day that *really* am ready for him to go to bed at 7pm! Will talk to DH about it later on, as it might work for a while. I suppose a potential downside of giving him a later bedtime now is that the clocks change soon, and that'll mean he is suddenly having an 8.30pm bedtime, which will be more difficult to change back from. Hmm, I will have a think!
We did do 15 mins am nap for a while but I think he ended up getting OT (but he was only 13 months then). Do you think that would be as useful as the later bedtime for transitioning him?
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I always get EWs from teething itself as well Clare - he wakes after 10.5hrs sleep and doesn't feel inclined to finish off if his teeth are aching.
I can sometimes eliminate them by dream meds at 3am ish when he is still fully asleep (easier for a pregant lady though as I am bound to wake to go to the toilet at some point ::)).
But if that didn't work I probably would try one nap again - especially if you have done the 20 min am nap fpr longer than a few weeks or so.
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But if that didn't work I probably would try one nap again - especially if you have done the 20 min am nap fpr longer than a few weeks or so.
Thanks. We've been doing a 20 min nap for months!!
I always get EWs from teething itself as well Clare - he wakes after 10.5hrs sleep and doesn't feel inclined to finish off if his teeth are aching.
Yes, I think a big part of it must be this - he has obviously been v. uncomfortable the last few days - crying with hands in his mouth :(. He was tired this morning - I may try and do the 3am meds tonight - definately worth a try.
xx
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I reckon you should try the one nap as Ben is a good napper. If you find it still does not seem to be working i.e. he is getting OT then maybe do a 15 min am and a longer pm until this bout of teething is over. x
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Yes I suppose I do need to do it.
I reckon you should try the one nap as Ben is a good napper. If you find it still does not seem to be working i.e. he is getting OT then maybe do a 15 min am and a longer pm until this bout of teething is over. x
It's funny because he has had a few months of napping pretty well in the afternoon - but the last month he has done as many 1hr10/1hr20 as he has 2hrs, so it feels very unpredictable. But I know this switch to one nap is just something we have to do, and I have to just get on with it and go with the flow :P :-\.
Thanks for the words ladies - often I know what I need to do but it just helps to bounce thoughts off you all :-*
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I must admit Claire - the more you say the more I think it sounds like time :).
I think if you hang on to that 20 min am nap for too long you start getting a lot of short nights due to being UT at bedtime, then the OT builds up as a result and just makes it so much harder to switch to one nap.
So I would try and get to one nap - easiest way seems to be to take advantage of a later than average wake up and then just go for 1 nap 5hrs after awake time and hope for the best :). Then 4.5ish hrs to bed and again hope ::).
I did switch J in the middle of short nights and EWs, and did manage to get there after 'riding it out' for 2 weeks or so, and then the wally started on his molars in the middle of it ::), but I found he still did better on 1 nap than 2 at that point.
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I'm SO tired by the end of the day that *really* am ready for him to go to bed at 7pm!
I know exactly how you feel, this is why we like early bedtimes too! Plus I have a bad napper anyway! ::)
If you doesn't work on one nap - you can always throw in some 2 nap days, or some catnaps
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Ok, so we're in agreement :P, it needs to be done!! My Mum's got him on Wednesday so I think I'll start on Thursday as she gets stressed enough about his naps as it is!
If you doesn't work on one nap - you can always throw in some 2 nap days, or some catnaps
Thanks for the reminder - I need to remember that it's not final, and that I can change his routine if he gets OT! I think it's because we've been pretty much been doing the same thing for so long I've become a creature of habit :)
xx
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Well ladies, change of plan - we're starting today :) :-\!
Ben had terrible naps yesterday so he had a 6pm bedtime - and woke at 6.30/6.45am this morning.....we're not going to get a much better night/morning than that to try for one nap! So I'm going to put him down at 11.30 and hope for the best.
Will no doubt be on here later asking for bedtime advice :-*
xx
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Go for it - a great day to try!
Fingers crossed for you.
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He woke screaming after 1 hour :( :( :(
So Awake at 6.30am
sleep - 11.45-12.45
Any thoughts on what I do with him now?!
Thanks
xx
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6pm bedtime? i doubt you will get another nap in today? so an early bedtime is probably the only option x
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I was going to say catnap myself - depends on your LO. If mine woke at 12:45, I would be able to get him to have 20 mins in the buggy around 4:30 probably. But if yours is a 12 hour kind of night guy, then a 6:00 pm bedtime could work well.
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6pm bedtime? i doubt you will get another nap in today? so an early bedtime is probably the only option x
Thank you :)
Yes, definately an early bedtime - only issue is that I normally give a 6pm bedtime when he wakes early from his second nap at 2pm! So just wondering, how early to go?! He looked SO tired when I put him down for his nap today - I can't imagine being able to stretch him out much more than 4 hours - giving a 4.45pm bedtime :o??
xx
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If it were me I'd do bed asleep for 6pm. He had 12.5hrs last night and a 1hr nap so 13.5hrs total. I wonder if you should bring his nap forward by 15mins or so to break him in a bit more gently and maybe he'll sleep longer?? :-\
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Hey Claire, just tagging along too as I wrote a very similar post last week, DD is nearly 18m and still not regularly on one nap, mostly due to irratic nights, sometimes only 10.5 hours with NWs.
This week what has worked quite well for us is one 1 hour 45 min nap (if you can get one that long, I know it's hard and to be honest the only way I can get DD to take such a long nap is in her buggy!!) and an earlier than normal bedtime. Then if I don't get such a long nap I have been trying to get a later catnap. For instance yesterday she did:
A 7am
S 11.15am-12.30pm (earlier than normal nap but we were out in the car)
S 4-4.15pm
S 7.30pm
A "normal" day for the past week might be more like:
A 7am
S 12-1.45pm
S 7.30pm
Of course this doesn't always pan out exactly but like you I thought I should just finally bite the bullet and push for one nap, with the odd 2 nap day to balance things out if she was getting OT.
HTH you in some way and good luck with the rest of today. DD is at MIL's today where she never naps properly so my new "routine" will be out the window no doubt! :)
xxx
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I would do 6pm as well.
Just remember that they always do get a bit OT during the process of switching to 1 nap. I remember J looking so tired in the first few days, but once he got past that we did much better. I think it was just his body adjusting.
He probably needs to sart with alower A time to the nap - perhaps try 4.5hrs ish next time so that would give you an 11am nap. I know it sounds super early for a 1 nap day but II did that with Jacob for quite a while and he would sleep until 2pm.
((hugs))
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Hugs Claire - we are here in the same boat hun and just waiting for a later than 6am start so we can do another one nap dayxxx
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Thanks all :-*
Well, after my post earlier about him waking after an hour, he ended up screaming for a few minutes, then went quiet so I just left him in his cot and he must have dropped off for another 20 minutes or so, as he was too quiet to have been awake!
So he was asleep at 5.45pm.....we shall see how tonight goes. But, all in all, it felt ok. He was whacked before his nap, but actually was pretty happy for most of the day, and I was surprised how well he seemed to manage. So feel good that it is time to switch.
He'll be having a two nap day tomorrow (with my Mum) so that should help him out too
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Fingers crosssed for a good night.
Xx
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5.45pm-6.15am :)
So, I'm going to be home today rather than my Mum having him, and just wondering whether I would be better giving him one nap, or give him a two nap day like I had originally planned??
Thanks xx
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wow - what a good night! As he has had a good night I would try for one again x
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Glad Becky replied early!! I would've said one nap too.
Great night, hope he naps well too.
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So today was:
6.15am wake
11.20-1pm nap....
5.30pm bedtime??!
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i wouldnt do earlier than 6pm but thats just me!!
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Not sure if this is too late, but I usually try to hold out until 6 as well.
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and me for sure but Ben does do well with early bedtimes doesn't he....
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If Ben will do 12-13hr nights then there really is no reason to fear the early bedtime - again Jacob doesn't do it ::).
But I think I would have gone for it if my LO would make up the sleep at night.
What did you decide to do?
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I read all your replies this morning - thank you!!.....well he was in bed for 5.35, asleep by 5.40pm!! Awake at 6am - so really good that he made up his sleep at night again.
Sooooo, one nap again today?! I'm not sure when I should be throwing in a two nap day ???
Thanks for walking me through this :)
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Yes do one nap again, hopefully he'll start extending the nap soon. I would only do 2 naps if you get a stupidly early wake or need a later bedtime for something.
Glad he slept well though, make the most of some extra time to yourself in the evening. ;)
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ok, so today
6am wake
11.10am asleep
woke at 12.30 screaming :(
So the naps are getting earlier (because of the earlier mornings) and because he is OT he's not sleeping long enough to be able to get a vaguely ok bedtime......not sure I can got much earlier than our 5.30pm ones!!!
Is this a day where I'm going to have to give a pm catnap?
he is currently screaming his head off and I'm trying to do WIWO :'( :'(
Thanks x
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Is there anyway you can AP him back down?
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No, unfortunately - he's just screaming to come out of his room - once he's awake it's really hard to get him back asleep - won't take his lovey/dummy - just gets angrier and angrier :(
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I tend to leave J if he wakes mid nap and it is 50/50 whether he will do back to sleep or not really :-\.
((hugs))
I think you need to go with your gut on the CN thing really - depends how OT you think he is getting. I wouldn't keep bringing bedtime forwards though.
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he's exhausted. When he's not OT tired he is normally a 2hr+ napper - so I know that his naps have been because of his long A times - which is what is confusing me, as I'm not sure how to push through! If he has another early night then he will be up earlyish in the morning (leaving me in the same position as today), but I know that a later bedtime will probably give us a 5/5.30 early wake up which is even worse :-\.
Hmmmm.....
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id go for a catnap today then if you think he is exhausted.it will give him a normal bedtime,a better wake up and then you can crack on with 1 nap tomorrow!!!
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Claire can you AP him at the EW? Since we are becoming experts here on EW lol I find that if Finn has had less than 10 hours night sleep he is more likely to go back down at an EW - with a bottle or sometimes GW (I lie on his floor and shush although that works better for NW). So there have been days where we purposely did a later bedtime knowing he would wake early at less than 10 hours and then got him back down using the bottle trick. That way it pushes your day ahead so you can carry on with your 1 nap routine.
We never have luck extending naps either and a CN is really a no go for us unless we take a really long drive - especially once you have done 1 nap days, they really don't always take kindly to you throwing in extra naps, at least Finn doesn't. He's like 'what are you on about, we do 1 nap around here!'
If you keep bringing bedtime earlier it will mean that he's going to get caught up from OT at some point and then you are stuck with early wake ups. At least this has been our experience. We always seem to find ourselves at a 6/6:30 bedtime with a 4:30/5 a.m. wake up no matter how much headway we make to get to a more reasonable day. There's always a spanner in the works so at some point you just have to say nope not gonna do it.
Hugs!
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Thanks ladies :)
Claire can you AP him at the EW?
Unfortunately not - he just will not have any of it!! But its been good that we've not had any really EWs for a while (ok, so 5.50am still isn't great ::) :P) - so I'm really conscious of not doing anything that brings them back!
If you keep bringing bedtime earlier it will mean that he's going to get caught up from OT at some point and then you are stuck with early wake ups. At least this has been our experience. We always seem to find ourselves at a 6/6:30 bedtime with a 4:30/5 a.m. wake up no matter how much headway we make to get to a more reasonable day. There's always a spanner in the works so at some point you just have to say nope not gonna do it.
We've been lucky this week that despite the mega-early bedtimes he's still been waking at 6-6.30 - which is normal for us anyway.....but they're just a bit too early to cope with the one nap. I'm sort of holding out for the clocks to be changed too, as that'll shift it all back.
I think I'll go for a catnap today (will take him for a drive) and hope that will 're-set' him back to a slightly later morning for tomorrow. I am keep to not keep alternating too much as I do think that if I persevere he will end up with longer naps (ever hopeful ;)!). I'm thinking of 15 mins at about 2.45pm??
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Not sure how Ben would be but my DD wouldn't CN after only 2.25 hours awake time (he woke from nap at 12.30 right?) and I would be driving round for ages!! As you're only doing 15 mins I would be tempted to do it a little later, maybe 3.30pm? But obviously they are all different and he may do better with a CN then and longer A time til bed :)
Good luck. x
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Not sure how Ben would be but my DD wouldn't CN after only 2.25 hours awake time (he woke from nap at 12.30 right?) and I would be driving round for ages!! As you're only doing 15 mins I would be tempted to do it a little later, maybe 3.30pm? But obviously they are all different and he may do better with a CN then and longer A time til bed :)
Good luck. x
You're probably right.....I'm so used to doing a morning catnap I haven't got a clue really!
I might drive him into town for a bit, and then drive back and see when he will sleep! Thanks x
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catnapped from 3.45-4.05 - will give him 7pm bedtime and hopefully back to one nap tomorrow.
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I am keep to not keep alternating too much as I do think that if I persevere he will end up with longer naps (ever hopeful ;)!).
They will get longer! It took DD (whose name is also Claire :D) a few weeks to really re-set her body and get used to one nap. We switched over at about 17 mo and she was doing two short naps with lots of driving beforehand. But she is now consistently doing around 2 hours. Since he's done good naps before, he'll definitely get there. Keep persevering! And although it doesn't work for everyone, doing 2 nap days here and there is worth a try to keep him from getting quite OT.
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Thanks for the encouragement Katie :) :)
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Hi Claire,
It is so darn tricky all this isn't it! I am glad that Ben did a CN for you today as hopefully that will get you a reasonable start to the day tomorrow. I too am holding out for the clock change. Was out and about today but will check in tomorrow and see how you are getting on x
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Nope - he woke at 6.15!!! (11.25hrs as opposed to this weeks usual 12.25!) I'm not acually surprised - a later bedtime does not necessarily = later wake-up in our house! So he actually had much less sleep than the days when he's had an early night which now leaves me a bit stuck as to what to do with him today.
I'm figuring that he'll take an OT nap of 1hr10/1hr20 mins no matter what A time I give him, so I'm thinking of pushing it back later so that I can at least not try to fit in a catnap later on! Does that sound a bad idea? So something like
Wake 6.15am
Sleep 11.45-1pm
Bedtime 5.30pm
Our worst night since we've started was last night (in terms of hours, and time of wake up) was last night - the one where he had a later bedtime.
Thanks for any thoughts xx
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I think that sounds like a good plan. We don't get later wake up with later bed either and very often it'll cause EWs for us.
Hope you get a good nap, FWIW though we get 1hr10 min naps with UT too, the *only* way we get long naps is by pushing the A time - but, hey you know my mess!! ;)
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yes we are getting EW's with the later bedtime although 6.50pm is hardly late! I am going for an early bedtime tonight as getting a bit desperate. xxx
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Yes, I suppose some lo's are helped by early bedtimes and some it makes it worse! For Ben they have always really helped, so I suppose I need to use them for our advantage!
He's just had a 11.45-2pm nap :) :) :)
He woke at 1hr15 screamed, and went back to sleep.....much better!
xx
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Great nap!!! Way to go Ben!
You may not need such an early night then!
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wow - that is really good.
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Thanks for being kind.....particularly when you're both having rough weeks yourselves (((((((()))))))) :( :-*
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Yey Clare ;D :-*
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Can someone help me figure out what A time I shoudl be aiming for please?
Yesterday was
Up 6.15am
Sleep 11.45-2 (but he screamed out at 1hr15mins which would normally suggest he was OT)
6.15pm asleep
Today
Up 6.30am
Should I just go for a 11.45am nap again? I'm aware that is still a long A time (5.25hrs) for a lo who only a couple of weeks ago was often doing a 3.5 A time before his first nap!! But since he is catching up at nights, am I best to just keep pushing through so he gets used to it?
Thanks for your help xxx
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hello you
Alex transitioned very early (13mo firmly on one nap) and I couldn't chop and change from one to two with him, we had to just go for one and it took him a week or so to adjust comfortably. He has always been v low sleep needs.
Sophie sounds more like Ben- she has always been v high sleep needs and wasn't properly on one nap until about 17.5mo. Once she started having 1-nap days, I would do two 1-nap days, and then a 2-nap day to catch up, then two 1-nap days, then a 2-nap day, etc. I found she got used to the longer A times quicker by doing 1 nap two days in a row then catching up sleep on the 3rd day. Constant switching daily from 1 to 2 naps just got her body clock in a mess. After a couple weeks she could handle three 1-nap days, then a 2-nap day, etc and then after a couple weeks of that it was 1-nap all the way.
I would go for 1 nap again today if you think you're not going to have a horrible OT night. I used to stretch Sophie's morning out gently by taking her out in the pushchair for a nice long time- a good hour or more of her sitting while we went round the shops, or to the park to feed the ducks, anything to pass the time so she was awake but not physically active to help her stop getting OT, does that make sense? That definitely helped her get through this stage.
hth, have a good day
K xxxxxxxxx
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I would go for 1 nap again today if you think you're not going to have a horrible OT night. I used to stretch Sophie's morning out gently by taking her out in the pushchair for a nice long time- a good hour or more of her sitting while we went round the shops, or to the park to feed the ducks, anything to pass the time so she was awake but not physically active to help her stop getting OT, does that make sense? That definitely helped her get through this stage.
Thanks Kathryn :-*. Good plan, took him out for a walk and then put him down at 11.45 so hopefully he'll take a decent nap. Like you were saying about Sophie, it definately seemed to just mess things up when I did a two nap day when it wasn't properly needed earlier this week. I think i need to 'save' them for emergencies only!!
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If you still get an OT nap today I would cut down to 5hrs first A - that is where I started with J - but again he wouldn't switch between the 2 at all so we did ride it out from there. But if 4.75 or 5hrs A would give you a 3hr uninterrupted nap then it would still get you to the same bedtime iyswim?
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Hi Liz
Thanks. He just woke up at 1 hour and yelled out "MUSIC, MUSIC!" and now *seems* to have gone back to sleep ??? ;D........doesn't help that its the weekend and our upstairs neighbour is at home banging about above Ben's room!!
I think yesterday showed that he can do a longer nap again, so yes I'll cut down his A time and see if helps.
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He woke an hour later screaming - absolutely shattered in a mess again. So will try the shorter A time before the nap tomorrow - thanks Liz
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how did the rest of the day go?
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It was ok thanks Becky. He slept from 11.45-12.45, resettled from 12.50-1.45...so 2 hours. Asleep at 6.40pm - think that last A time is better when it's shorter though for him though.
xxx
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fingers crossed for a good night x
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Hi Claire just wanted to let you know, yesterday DD took a 3 hour nap :o I cannot tell you how shocked I am, the longest she has ever done, and this is rare, is about 2 hours! We have pretty much stuck to pushing one nap for 2 weeks now and perhaps her body has adjusted?? Who knows, today will probably be a disaster :P
FWIW our routine was like this yesterday:
A 6.20am
S 11.30-2.30
S 8pm (which is a relatively long A time in the afternoon but the 3 hour nap was so unprecedented and I was out so DH put her to bed which isn't "normal" for her, so it may have just taken her that bit longer to settle)
We did have one NW at 2.30am then she was up at 6.20am, but all in all I am totally thrilled with that.
Just thought it might give you a bit of encouragement ??? :-*
Good luck sweetie x
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Hi Charli - that's great!!! 3 hours....goodness me, I would have no excuse for not doing housework if Ben started taking those sort of naps :P ;D!!
We have pretty much stuck to pushing one nap for 2 weeks now and perhaps her body has adjusted??
I'm hoping that's what's going to happen with Ben. To be fair, it does like it's already starting, but I think because he's teething too he's just waking in the middle of naps and being more unsettled.
Last night put him down later at 6.40pm, and he woke at 6.05 ::)....so can everyone remind me to stick to early nights as they get us LATER mornings ??? :P!! I've got to do a two nap day today as we are going out, but back to the one nap tomorrow and we'll see how we go :).
:-*
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Hi Charli - that's great!!! 3 hours....goodness me, I would have no excuse for not doing housework if Ben started taking those sort of naps :P ;D!!
Haha that's the only problem, don't tell me I actually have to start sorting my house out now?!
Good luck for today and tonight :-*
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Fingers crossed, I think he'll get there soon, and great night! You should listen to us more often! :P ;)
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Just checking in.......
he refused a morning catnap in the car - for the first time ever, and I actually felt quite excited as it means that we are definately ready for one nap....I still wasn't sure ::) ;D!!
So it ended up being a long A time til his nap
Woke at 6.05
Nap 11.45-1.30
Have just put him to bed as he looks shattered - so will hopefully be asleep by 6!
Tomorrow I'm going to shorten that first A time to 4.75 hours and see if it gives a longer nap.
xxx
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erm, maybe not......asleep at 6.40pm - was crying "mama, dada, mama, dada, mama, dada" for an hour!! We'd had SUCH a lovely day, and he was in such a wonderful mood that I think he was just upset that we weren't together :D!! He's never been like that before!
We'll see what the night brings :)
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Well, as usual here, later night means earlier wake up ::).....asleep at 6.40pm, awake at 5.45am :(
He's got a cold and is losing his voice, so I'm wondering about whether to give him two naps today as he was up early too? Do people think that will just make things worse?
Thanks, as ever :-*
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Hi sweetie sorry you had an EW. In my opinion there is no harm in doing 2 naps today providing you can get him down early enough to do a CN later (or would you want to do CN this morning then longer nap later?) DD generally responds better to a longer AM nap and afternoon CN if she has had an EW, and especially if she's not all that well.
You know I told you we were pushing 1 nap for about 2 weeks? Well yesterday she fell asleep in the car in the AM and ended up napping 45 mins 10.45-11.30, so then she had a longer PM nap 3pm-4.30pm (I woke her) and that ended up working fine. Her bedtime was quite late, took her up at 7.30pm but she messed around til 8.15pm, so I was totally expecting an EW but she slept til 6.30am :) So for us it certainly wasn't a disaster to switch back to 2 naps for a day. Today I will def do one nap though.
Hope he feels better asap and maybe you can get a CN in too later :)
Good luck HTH :-* xxx
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Thanks Charli, I was planning on doing a morning catnap but that's good advice - I'll give him a long morning nap and then I can play it by ear for this afternoon. Glad you got a reasonable morning.....can't imagine how you pregnant ladies are doing these EW's and night wakings!! :) xx
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That sounds like a good plan. I reckon last night after a long nap he obviously needed a long A till bed. Something to bear in mind for thr future.
let us know how you get on today.
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I am less worried about being pregnant and doing NWs and EWs than having the newborn and doing it :P
I think I put DD down for her nap too early :-\ She was up at 6.30am and fell asleep at 11.15am but only slept 1.5 hours, so up at 12.45...No idea if she will last the afternoon without falling asleep now ::)
Good luck let us know how you get on.
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He slept 10.15-12.05pm so I'll do a 15 minute catnap to get him to a decent bedtime.
sounds like you might too charli?
xx
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That's great Claire ;D
I might have to, we are going to a musical toddler group this avo, finishes at 3.30pm so I reckon that might tire her out enough to have a catnap in the car...
What time will you put Ben to bed Claire? I never put DD down before 7, generally because DH wouldn't get to see her but he is at footie tonight so I actually have free reign! So not entirely sure. Guess it depends on whether she has a CN...
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What time will you put Ben to bed Claire?
I'm probably not the best person to ask about bedtimes! I'm sure I must be a laughing stock on this board because of the ridiculously early bedtimes I sometimes give DS :P ;D!! This week he's had a couple of 5.45pm bedtimes, but those have given us the best nights....then the nights he has later ones he generally wakes up earlier ???. So, depending on when he ends up having his catnap it will probably be about 6.15 due to his EW. xx
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you know what works best for your lo :) Wish I did!!!
bx
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you know what works best for your lo :) Wish I did!!!
bx
Same here :P She hasn't had a catnap but that's quite good cos I think I should be able to get her in bed quite early, I am going to take her up at 6.45pm and see what happens...! She'll probably be ready to start the day at 4am tomorrow!!
Did you do a CN Claire? Good luck for tonight :-*
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No catnap...he was having none of it ::)!
So super-early night as he's been up since 5.45 with an early nap
x
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EUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :'(
He has just started getting majorly majorly upset when I put him down to sleep :'(. It started yesterday when I left him in the car with someone he didn't know very well while I popped in a shop, and he thought I'd left him and got SO upset (first time this has happened). Since then, each nap and bedtime it has taken 40mins+ to get him to sleep as he just screams and screams and cries my name :(. I did gradual withdrawal to get him to go to sleep just, but it's really messing up our days as he's getting more OT. He did not get to sleep til 6.25pm today - thats 6.5 hours of A time, which combined with his EW is not good!!
Any suggestions? I suppose I just need to make sure I allow a bit of extra time for him to settle before his naps.
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I think the nap resistance and tears are likely to be OT creeping in their Clare.
Personally I would say it is time for a 2 nap day - short am and long pm and catch him up a bit.
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I was going to say same as Liz, it may well be OT rather than some sort of SA...
Maybe you could try some sort of routine like 2 days with 1 nap followed by 1 day with 2 naps etc, for a few days?
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Me too. Hugs hun - this is a tough time. Hope he slept ok for you xxx
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Thank you ladies
The only thing is - he has behaved in exactly the same for every nap and bedtime since the 'shop' incident, even when I was giving him an early night and then a catnap yesterday - both times when I had specifically given him a shorter A time ???.
Then he was up at 5.30am.....classsic OT, but then that in itself isn't a suprise because he had such a long A time yesterday :(. DH did gradual withdrawal with him til 6.30am - but he was in a mess screaming for us again (DS, not DH!).
So I'm going to see if he'll take a catnap in the car as I don't have any confidence that I'll be able to get him down for a nap early enough in his cot.
Is gradual withdrawal the best method to use? I suppose that worked last night, he just got in a complete state when I was doing WIWO (even when stood outside his rooms talking to him).
Thank you, what would I do without you all? :-*
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Big hugs hun.
Is gradual withdrawal the best method to use? I suppose that worked last night, he just got in a complete state when I was doing WIWO (even when stood outside his rooms talking to him).
Think you answered your own question! GW sounds like it'll work better.
I would just like to play devil's advocate though and say - we get tears and nap refusal with UT and I didn't really know this until doing the 2-1. If DS is knackered he goes straight to sleep!! It's incredible how different they can be.
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Thanks :)
I would just like to play devil's advocate though and say - we get tears and nap refusal with UT and I didn't really know this until doing the 2-1. If DS is knackered he goes straight to sleep!! It's incredible how different they can be.
He's definately way OT now - he looks SO rough. I did 2 hours of WIWO/GW earlier with him screaming hysterically - to the point where I got him out of his cot and sat him on the floor for a moment (he was throwing himself out of my arms and going CRAZY :(), and he head-butted the floor and has now got a carpet burn on his forehead :'( :'( :'(. The thing is, he was tired when I started but not OT....but he just got worked up as soon as I left his room - and this continued for the whole time. I only managed to settle him by giving him a bottle and he fell asleep on me immediately. I haven't seen him in such a mess before.
He woke after 1hr10 absoluetely shattered - massive purple bags under his eyes etc.
Am going to try for another nap in a while as he obviously needs it - but I'm not looking forward to another ordeal like that!!
xxx
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((hugs)) Clare - I hate it when they start sleep fighting like that.
Hope you get a second nap in :-* :-*
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He's definately way OT now - he looks SO rough
Poor thing. I know my DS isn't typical BTW!!
A lot of driving for you then me thinks? Hope you manage to get another nap in. It will take his body a while to adjust to the increased A times and only one nap. I wish I could say it was easy ::)
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A lot of driving for you then me thinks?
I shoul think so ::) :P!!
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(((hugs))) Claire sorry you've had it so rough, and little Ben too! It's heartbreaking when they're like that, DD does that thrashing around when she's resisting sleep and she is too strong for me! I agree re GW, WIWO makes DD totally hysterical to the point where I always give up and do GW anyway, so needn't have bothered with the upset in the first place! FWIW I *still* lie next to DD whilst she drops off to sleep, I know it's not the best idea :-[
We had an EW too (5.40am) BUT she slept through from 7pm which is so great for us, I don't think she has ever slept that long with such an "early" bedtime (it is normally 7.30-8) I'm also convinced yet again that she is teething although I am yet to see a new tooth pop through ??? I went out in the car at 9am so DD of course fell asleep, had a 20 min CN, and then fell asleep again at 2pm, I think I will wake her around 4pm if she hasn't already woken...
Good luck for the rest of today, hope you manage to get him to take another nap. I hate those just over an hour naps, they are so in between it is always hit and miss as to whether you can get another in isn't it ::)
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Ooh Charli - that's great that she slept through!!!
Goodness knows what my carbon footprint looks like for today ::) :P....finally got him to sleep in the car at 2.30pm and am going to wake him in a minute so that he won't have a late night.
xx
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hugs claire - fingers crossed for a good night xxx
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We've gone back to two naps temporarily!! He went to sleep at 6.30pm last night and slept til 6am this morning. Gave him 10-10.15am then he slept 1.40-3pm, so a bit late but nevermind. He seems much better for it, so might have to alternate for a while. He settled for his naps so peacefully again today - so hoping that the last couple of days have just been a blip!
Thanks for giving me somewhere to talk it out! :)
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That's great. I'm pleased that he did a good 2 nap day for you, at least you can have that option for a day or 2 if things go wrong.
Hope you get a good long night.
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Great work and news Claire - 2 naps and a later wake up, you and Ben are heroes :-)
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How are things today Claire?
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Thanks for checking up on me :-*
Yes, good thanks. He's definately teething (four or five at once I think) - which would explain how upset he's been at sleep times. He woke at 6.25am (had a few night wakings though) so decided to give him one nap - 11.25am-1pm. Going to settle him bed for 6/6.15pm.....I think I feel happier now I have realised I can alternate between one and two naps and that he seems to be ok with it for now.
And I see you're doing the same ;)
xxx
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Great stuff Claire. Glad you feel a little happier too. :-*
We're cutting all 4 canines so we know where you're at with teeth ::)
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AGH! I just can't figure it out! (nice to be in the company of others who are feeling the same though :-*)
Bed 6.30pm last night (5.5 hrs A time)
Wake 6am
Nap 11am-12.15pm ???
I just don't get it - is this too much A time for him in the mornings do you think? He looks V tired now, I don't think he's waking UT. Should have probably done a two nap day in retrospect ???
Looking forward to the clock change as I'm hoping it will push everything forward for us. But still not sure about these A times.
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very tricky if he is teething tbh...he may need 2 naps while that is going on but like you said it could go on a while!
The only other thing is to do the complete opposite. Ben likes an early bed so why not just keep on with the one nap and give him early bedtimes which you have said he does better on anyway. It would not work for us which is why I have to throw in a 2 nap day when mornings get too too early but it could help you. Then you can play around with the first A time but know that whatever happens he can do an early bedtime and catch up What do you think?
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Yes, that's what I was sort of thinking - the only issue is that because of this weird SA/teething crying thing he is often getting to be much later than usual as it is taking *so* long to settle him, which has sort of thrown our 'early bedtimes' out of the window!! Although, if we keep staying with him to settle him then perhaps he will go down earlier, and make up for the lost daytime sleep. I wonder if I just need to only do one nap days if he wakes after 6.30 - otherwise when he takes a short nap we are stumped!!!
Thank you xx
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He did an 11.5hr night - you may have found you got a slightly longer nap after 5.5hrs A. I know that seems like you're pushing fast but I think if he does a good night then you probably can push him a little.
Do an early night (or as best you can) tonight and then if you get another good night try it and see. I find DS will look really tired at his "old" nap time but I know if I put him down that early he'll short nap. So just have to keep telling myself that!
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I agree, I was thinking it's a bit UT - seems to be the common thing around here these days. Good nights really make a difference and he has had a few lately.
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11.5 hr is a good night, but sometimes he does even longer. And especially since he's teething and you're just still moving to one nap, my gut doesn't say UT. But it hardly ever does, so I may not be helping.
I wonder if I just need to only do one nap days if he wakes after 6.30 - otherwise when he takes a short nap we are stumped!!!
TBH, that is what I did as if it was a short nap, it just seemed like forever until bedtime. 6:30 am was my cutoff. And since he seems to be handling the 2 nap days still, I would stick to that.
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I think that sounds like a good plan. Try 1 nap if he wakes after 6.30am and 2 if not and maybe when he is over the worst of the teething it will become easier to do one. I do remember with molars that I was just forever tweaking and thinking about A times and tbh none of it was much good until the teeth sorted themselves and then it started to get a bit easier (a bit!) I think you probably remember that from my mammoth thread round about when Henry was 10/11 months.