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Title: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 02, 2011, 13:00:31 pm
For the past 4nights Alyssa has been having multiple Nws.  I don't know if it is b/c she is OT, UT, reflux or needing to drop the CN. My mind is spinning with possibilities and I can't figure out why!!! Does she want cuddles? She is on two solid meals a day and is doing great with them. Here is how yesterday's EASY went:

wake 7:10am
nap 9:45am-11:20am
A 11:20am-1:50pm
S 1:50pm-2:30pm(not interested in a longer nap)
A 2:30pm-5pm(OT here. My fault as I lost track of time)
S 5-:5:30pm
A 5:30pm-7:15pm
here she fought bedtime for 20min.

Nws 11pm, 12:30pm, 1am (fed her here), 2am, 6am.  At 2 am I gave up and brought her to my bed as I was tired of going back to her nursery.  
I'm sure last night was more OT.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 02, 2011, 13:40:00 pm
Ditto, Ditto. 

The only thing that jumps out at me from your EASY above is her being OT for that CN.  However, that does not explain the other 3 nights she has had multiple MW, does it?  Maybe it is just some developmental thing and will take a couple weeks to resolve.

Cannot figure out if mine, who will be 5 mo on Friday, wants a longer A time (right now it is 2 hours), if I need to work towards only 2 naps, if she needs to go to bed later or what.  For about 3 nights in a row, she has woken before 2 am, then up for the day around 6:30 (screwing up the entire day), but about twice a week, she throws a FANTASTIC night and late wake up in there just to confuse me.

You better soon write a post that says "All the multiple NW are gone.  All I had to do was ___________" :)

Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 02, 2011, 21:38:11 pm
if I figure them out, I will let you know.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 03, 2011, 00:01:46 am
Hugs Sabrina.  I was hoping things were going better for you.

How is her reflux these days?  Last I recall you were struggling with that.  Do you think the NWs are reflux related?

Yesterday does look OT to me.  But you say it is happening often?  What are you doing to settle her when she wakes?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 04, 2011, 14:57:19 pm
I don't if it is her reflux.  the other night she did amazing. She gave me two six hour stretches.  Last night she woke up two times. To settle her,  I try to pat her first, then I pick her up and she instantly falls asleep on my shoulder.   ???
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 04, 2011, 15:01:04 pm
I am sure you have answered a dozen times, so I am sorry for asking again, but your crib is elevated right?  Do you think she just likes being upright?  I know your LO is on meds, but are you thickening feeds also?  That helped us a lot with sleep.  Are you ever able to settle her from the crib?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 04, 2011, 18:19:58 pm
crib is elevated but she wiggles down. LOL.  she is a tummy sleeper and is on two solid meals a day. I can't wait until this reflux nightmare is over.
I can sometimes settle from the crib. 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 04, 2011, 19:43:59 pm
I can't believe how similar our situations are.  Mine sleeps on a incline and wiggles down too :)

Last night we had 2 NW before 6 am, but the night before, she slept all the way through till 6 am.  Both her days were almost identical. 

I was reading in my DD1's baby book that she STTN by 5 mo, so I told DD2 she has exactly one day to figure it out......
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 04, 2011, 23:44:03 pm
LOL. I told her that her sister was sleeping through the night and napped great. I know i shouldn't bring her to my be in the early morning, but i just crave sleep. It is amazing how things are done differently with the second.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 05, 2011, 12:17:41 pm
I haven't tried it, but I know people roll up a towel and put it under the crib sheet so your LO can't roll down.  Have you ever tried anything like that? 

Reflux is tough.  I noticed that at 6 months, reflux was better with DS #2.  DS #1 still is on meds at 2.5 years.  I was always told that it peaks between 4 and 6 months and I definitely found that to be the case with my 2nd.

If it is reflux waking her, then you just have to ride it out I guess.  How was your night last night?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 05, 2011, 12:54:35 pm
I can't wait until this reflux settles.  Last night she woke up every 2 hours. I think she was OT.  I think I should of put her to bed earlier.

Here is how yesterday went:
wake 7:10am
A 7:10-9:50
S 9:50-11:20
A 11:20-2
S 2-:3:30pm
A3:30pm-6pm
S 6pm-6:20pm(I woke her)
S 7:10pm
We had Nws every two hours.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 05, 2011, 14:01:22 pm
Hmmm... she like a long morning A huh?  What makes you think OT?  What was happening when she woke?  How did you try getting her back to sleep?  Have you tried medicating to see if teeth are playing a part?  It doesn't look like an OT to me, but I could be wrong.  It just seems that she took 2 good naps and her A's are pretty average.  The cat nap seems late, but I don't think that would cause that many NWs. 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 05, 2011, 14:46:13 pm
I'm also looking at the EASY and I don't see anything jumping out at me that seems flat out "wrong", kwim.  Of course, that may not be what you want to hear.  Like Kara said, she is taking 2 naps and a CN.  Her night is 12h long (wish I could get that). A times looks about right.  Waking every 2 hours surely seems like discomfort.  How often is she eating?  I know you don't feed her continously during the night, so I can't see what it would be other than discomfort of some kind.

I am going to up the dose of my 5 mo Zantac and give her some tylenol and rub meds on her gums for a night or two and see if that makes any difference.  Still having the 2:30/6:30 wakings here...
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 05, 2011, 14:51:41 pm
I didn't medicate last night but did for her nap.  I began giving her 15mg of prevacid before bed instead of splitting it in the morning and evening. 
I feed once during the night. It has to get better.
Texomamama i hope you had a better night then me?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 05, 2011, 23:18:29 pm
I would try medicating at night to see if it helps at all. 

I am sorry both of you are struggling!
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 05, 2011, 23:24:05 pm
Will try medicating tonight. I just put posted this on the EASY board. I put her down for her CN at 6:10pm and letting her sleep for 10-15min. How long should her A to bedtime be?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 05, 2011, 23:25:42 pm
It is hard to say.  I always go by cues...I know that is not much help.  Honestly, if you only let her sleep that long, I would just feed again and get her ready for bed.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 06, 2011, 00:02:14 am
So-So night last night.  I put her down at 7:45, she woke screaming for her DF before 10.  Woke at 2:45 and woke at 6:45.  I always feed her, because frankly, I don't want to spend forever trying to settle her, just to end up feeding anyway.  When I go in, I can tell within a minute whether or not she is going to settle.  But, she is not waking as often as Alyssa.  Obviously, you are not feeding her when she wakes 3-4 times per night.

I am not sure anything will really fix this other than time.  I am giving her until about 6.5 mo to keep this up, and if all is the same, then I will start to work on weaning the feed at night.  I don't want to do it now b/c she takes 6 feeds a day, and 4 of those 6 are evening or nights feeds.  She is just disinterested during the day I think.

Good luck tonight Sabs!
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 06, 2011, 12:01:41 pm
at least you had a better night.  Aylssa went to bed at 7pm, woke up at 11pm, then 12am(fed her here), then at 3:30am, then at 5am. I think i should of fed her here/ I brought her to my bed and she was in and out of sleep until 6:21am.  I wonder if her cn is too close to bedtime? Shouild i move bedtime to 7:30pm and see if that gives me a later wake up?
boy am i tired
 :'(
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 06, 2011, 13:35:10 pm
Sorry you are tired :(  My situation is nowhere near as bad as yours.  Last night, she had the 'usual' night, waking at 2:30 to feed, then up screeching happily to herself at 6:30.  This, despite me making several changes, including adding 1 oz to her DF and night bottle, giving her one and only meal of solids for dinner (as opposed to breakfast) and offering some tylenol and topical meds in case she is teething.

I am also thinking of limiting or dropping the CN, but she happened to not have it the other day, and the night followed the same pattern.  The only thing I have not tried is what you are thinking- a later bedtime.

Let's do that tonight and report back.  I send you hugs and a big cup of steaming hot Tim Horton's coffee to wake you up :)   
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 06, 2011, 14:28:15 pm
At least you had a better night. I am convinced that this girl needs to drop her CN, but she can't handle 3 hours of A just yet.  Sigh I think I am going to try a CN tonight of 20min and move bedtime a little later.  Perhaps she needs more A before bed, but that CN interferes.  :-\

I just had a nice espresso to wake me up. LOL.

I will report back tomorrow to let you know how she did.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 07, 2011, 12:17:06 pm
I am just shattered. She was asleep by 7pm-one hour A after her 20min CN. Woke up at 11pm, then 12am, then 1am, where I decided to feed her here.  The little stinker decided to have a crib party from 1-2am.  Sigh. I so tired, I picked her up and brought her to my bed.  She fell asleep and woke up at 6am. Fussed and fussed for 30min, so I decided to feed her but she didn't want to go back to sleep. Do you think the CN is affecting her sleep? Could it be that she needs more A after that CN? A 20min CN is short! I wonder if i should work on dropping it or pushing her bedtime. 
OMG, I am in tears. I just want to have at least a 5hour stretch of sleep.  :'(
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 07, 2011, 14:36:31 pm
Sabs, I am so sorry.  If I were you, I would definately try a later bedtime and maybe even eliminating that CN.  I put mine to sleep at 8 pm last night (about 20-25 mins later than usual).  I heard her screaming at 9 pm, went in to check on her, and the darn cat ran out.....Grrrr.

But, she slept all the way till 4:45 and then I fed, and she slept until 7:15.  Of course, she does this on her own about once or twice a week anyway, but I am sure the later bedtime, plus the larger bottles I give at her DF help.

Trying a later bedtime can't hurt, can it?  However, I just don't understand how OT/UT etc can cause as many NW as you are having.  It seems much more likely to be some sort of discomfort, but I would expect you would be having at least some problems during the day, right?

I think a later bedtime might help.  I am going to push mine to try and make it to 8.  I know for a fact DD1 was at an 8:30 bedtime by 5 months. 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 07, 2011, 15:41:19 pm
i am going to try a later bedtime after her CN.  If that doesn't work, I plan to eliminate the Cn.  I am not sure if it is discomfort anymore! Could be, but I am not 100% sure. 

She gave you a great stretch.  ;D 

Lets report back later. 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 07, 2011, 17:42:08 pm
Just need to vent: I was looking at DD1's routine at this age and she was averaging 3hrs of A and was on two naps of two hours. Of course she was sleeping through the night! Why did I look at her EASY???? :-\
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 07, 2011, 17:47:11 pm
Huge Hugs Sabrina.    Try not to compare the 2. They are different kids.

I would aim for dropping the cat nap and moving bedtime earlier. I think that by pushing the day out, you are just going to continue your OT cycle.

Honestly though, I don't think all of your issues are CN related.  I am still wondering if the reflux is controlled.  I also think the co-sleeping might get you into trouble.  I know you are exhausted and don't want to hear that.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 07, 2011, 19:03:59 pm
I know I have to stop the co-sleeping, but how do I settle her in the early morning hours without waking her sister up. There rooms are right beside each other. I am using  white noise outside her room. I should bite the bullet and try to settle her in her room, right? 
You think that these Nws are OT related, even though she is giving me somewhat decent naps.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 08, 2011, 05:39:57 am
So, I decided to try a later bedtime and still I got Nws every hour. Not sure if she is getting sick as her sister is sick or if she really needs to drop the CN. 
Here is how yesterday went:

wake 6:30am
nap 9:30-11:10am
nap 2-:3:35pm
CN 6-:6:25pm
S 8pm

I don't even want to post the nws-just horrible. It is 12am now and she is talking in her crib. Should I try a few more days of pushing BT later or eliminate the CN?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 08, 2011, 11:24:08 am
Hugs Sabrina.  It is very hard when there is another LO to worry about.  Can you put white noise inside the other bedroom?  That has saved us.  We have white noise in both kid's rooms.

I would skip the cat nap completely and just get her down.  But I don't think those NWs are OT, because it doesn't seem as if your routine looks that way.  That being said, if she isn't getting any sleep at night, she could be.  I don't know. ???

Do you think she is getting sick? 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 08, 2011, 12:13:37 pm
I could try the white noise in the older one's room. She has never slept with white noise.  :-\
So we had a 10hour night-classic OT.  She woke up at 6am and cried until I took her out of her room.  She looks tired and is smiling ATM.  Her nose is a little runny, so not sure if she is getting her sister's cold.  I also tried advil but that did nothing.
So you think I should skip the cn instead of a later bedtime?
I don't know how long I should keep her up this morning. I may follow her cues.

I wouldn't mind these NWs so much if hubby was home during these hours. He works so I get stuck with all of them.  :'(
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 08, 2011, 13:52:19 pm
Dropping the CN can't hurt, right?  If you got NW every hour, there is definately something going horribly wrong atm, but that means that any change you make should help.

Mine woke only once at 3:45, then proceeded to only drink about 3.5 oz of the bottle.  I think the changes I have made to tank her up after 4 pm with extra oz and solids.  are what is working for us.  That, and the slightly later bedtime.

Of course, you are getting conflicting advise.  I suggested later bedtime and mmom is saying earlier bedtime, but I think everyone (including you) thinks that sropping the CN will help.  You are going to have to do it soon enough anyway since she is 5.5 mo, right?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 08, 2011, 14:39:08 pm
I am sure you are exhausted.  I am sorry for that. :(  The reason I say no cat nap is because sometimes it just means a shorter night.  Why push the night back, when her nights are already getting shorter? KWIM?

I think following cues for the nap is a good idea.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 08, 2011, 17:52:41 pm
thanks ladies.

She napped for 1hr and 22 min today and she does have a little cold. I am going to aim for no CN today. I will let you know how it goes.

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Mine woke only once at 3:45, then proceeded to only drink about 3.5 oz of the bottle.  I think the changes I have made to tank her up after 4 pm with extra oz and solids.  are what is working for us.  That, and the slightly later bedtime.
that is GREAT! 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 08, 2011, 20:34:18 pm
So her second nap ended at 3:25pm. Should I aim for a 6:30pm BT? Do you think she will give me a 12hour night?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 08, 2011, 21:51:31 pm
You think she can go for a 3 hour A time?  With a wake up from nap at 3:25, you would not even be able to put her down for a CN until after 5 or she will definately be UT, so why bother with that?

I say go for it!  Now, mine woke an hour early for nap #2 and I came home to find her screaming in the babysitters arms.  Guess I will be posting a thread on the Discipline & Socialization board about about Stranger Anxiety next ::).............yet another thing my perfect DD1 never did.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 08, 2011, 23:08:23 pm
Well, she fell asleep on me at 5:40pm. I let her sleep for 10min.   :-[  She was getting so cranky and fussy. Funny thing is that she can do 3hours of A time in the morning and after her first nap. Sigh.  Now I need to figure out what time I should put her to bed.

update: She was asleep but 6:45pm. I need to get rid of this CN.

I hope you have a good night.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 09, 2011, 01:03:08 am
Hugs Sabrina.  Sometimes we have to figure it out the hard way.  It does sound like she is ready to drop the nap though.  Good luck tomorrow!
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: *Amy* on February 09, 2011, 04:13:39 am
Hi Sabs, we seem to be 'meeting' here quite a bit these days :)
So I logged on to post about my RIDICULOUS NW's! Even DH said to me today......what about BW can they not help!
So the day yesterday went
wake 6.30am
Sleep 8.30am
Wake 10.20am
Sleep 11.30am (fell asleep in stroller while in mall......first time ever!)
Wake 12pm
sleep 1.30pm
Wake 2.15pm (I fed her here and put her back and she fell back asleep)
Wake 3.30pm
Bed 5.45pm (it took her 1.5 hours to fall asleep!, she never cried just chatted!)
She woke then a few times before 11pm - I was able to resettle.
She then woke at 1.30am - 2.40am when I fed her then slept in my arms until 6am!
I put her back to bed this morning after 2 hours of A time.
I am not sure what to do....going to follow along and she about the CN dropping...although DD didn't have one yesterday and it didn't make a bit of difference!
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 09, 2011, 10:34:28 am
Amy, would you like to start your own thread, so you can get some more eyes on it?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: *Amy* on February 09, 2011, 11:02:27 am
Thanks - going to post about my day today...not sure what to do??
Sabs going to follow your thread as well :)
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 09, 2011, 12:51:01 pm
no problem, Amy. You can post here as well. I will follow yours too!

So here is how last night went:

asleep by 6:45pm
quick waking at 8pm. I quickly settled her with a pat. Woke again at 11pm and settled again with a pat. Woke at 12:30am so I picked her up and we both fell asleep in the rocking chair. Fed her at 1am and put her back in the crib. Woke up at 5am, and put her on hubby's side of the bed. She officially woke up at 6:40am.  I know I shouldn't bring her to my bed, but I want to solve these silly nws first then work on her completely being in her crib. I feel so guilty bringing her. She does have a little cold.
Going to try to eliminate the CN today-again.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 09, 2011, 13:46:27 pm
What is going on with these 5 month olds?  Amy, your EASY (up until the point of bedtime) looks good.  Sabs, seems like the NW were less extreme last night, and you can probably chalk the 12:30 one into hunger if she ate at 1.

I wonder how much the cold has to do with it?  Mine has been congested for literally 3 weeks.  When we were in the worst part of it back then, that's when our nights started going wonky.  We seem to be getting back on track though.  Last night was only one waking again and up at 7:15.  I am starting to think we just had a GS followed by the cold.

Maybe the congestion really does play that big a part.  I use saline drops and the bulb aspirator, but only before sleep.  Maybe it is indeed teething.  I know the pain can start days, or weeks even before they erupt, right?  Sabs, still don't think your problem could be illness related b/c after this many days, Alyssa would be having problems in the day by this point.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 09, 2011, 15:07:23 pm
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Maybe the congestion really does play that big a part.  I use saline drops and the bulb aspirator, but only before sleep.  Maybe it is indeed teething.  I know the pain can start days, or weeks even before they erupt, right?  Sabs, still don't think your problem could be illness related b/c after this many days, Alyssa would be having problems in the day by this point.

I agree.

I don't know what it is with these 5month olds. Lets hope after the GS, they get better!!!   :-X
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 10, 2011, 12:29:39 pm
here is an update:
No CN yesterday and was asleep by 6:56pm. Woke up at 12am for a feed then was going to back to sleep but hubby came in to give her a kiss and this woke her up. It took me one hour to get her back to sleep. She then woke up at 6am. I didn't wan to feed here but I didn't want to start her day at this time, so I just gave her a few ounces and patted her back to sleep.  I have noticed that she really likes the pat on the bum.  :P I really want her day to begin at 7am, so I have to figure a way to get rid of this 6am feed. I know a GS is right around the corner. 

I just wish she would stick to one feed at night.
I am going to aim for no CN today. 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 10, 2011, 13:23:18 pm
I know you don't want to hear this Sabrina, but that was a good night!  Eleven hours of sleep is a full night and she just might not want to go back to sleep at this point.

I would love a 12 hour night too, but don't get them often.  Not everyone does.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 10, 2011, 14:05:32 pm
i know!  :-*  She does better with an 11hour night, but is not ready to have a later BT as the CN seems to ruin her night sleep.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Texomamama on February 10, 2011, 14:08:50 pm
Yes Sabs, seems like that was a comparatively good night.  Definately moving in the right direction.

Darn that hubby.  No good deed goes unpunished :)
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 10, 2011, 22:24:51 pm
after a two hour nap, I thought she could handle a three hour A. Of course she was exhausted and gave me a 30min nap. Couldn't extend so I had to fit a CN in.  Going to aim for a 7:30pm bedtime. 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: aimeeL on February 10, 2011, 22:28:20 pm
Sabs - No time to post right now, so will be back later with more, but my DD2 is giving me a run for my money, too, with these NWs.. UGH!

Quick question - when you DO do the CN, how long is it for and what A time after?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 10, 2011, 23:23:54 pm
I really believe that a cn after 6pm affects her night sleep. This afternoon's cn fell at 5:30pm and she slept for 30min. I was going to aim for a bt around 7:30pm. it is so much easier without that cn. she did great last night. I am expecting a bad night tonight b/c i never know how long her last a should be.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 11, 2011, 11:40:11 am
The last A really depends on your LO, how the day went in general, and if your LO is OT, etc.  It is hard to give an exact number.  I found that at 7 months, if my LO wasn't OT, he would do 2 hours after a 30 minute nap. 

That being said, I also found that when he cat napped in the evening, he slept less at night no matter what.  We always aimed for an early bedtime and got a longer night.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 11, 2011, 14:12:21 pm
makes sense. She was up for two hour before she fell asleep. Woke briefly at 12am. Fed her at 2am, then slept until 6:50am.  The thing is that she now has the same stomach bug that her sister had. So this could be why she slept for 2hours during her morning nap and slept better at night. I don't know! She is throwing up now. Poor thing! I have to see how things go when she feels better.
IT EVER ENDS!!
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 11, 2011, 14:53:33 pm
IT EVER ENDS!!
No it doesn't!  I hope she feels better soon.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: *Amy* on February 12, 2011, 03:28:51 am
I find that when Cassie has the CN and she is in bed 1.5 hours after it it takes her another 30/60mins to fall asleep ????
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 12, 2011, 15:46:28 pm
what an awful night last night. She had a fever, loose stools and vomited a few times.   She was a little OT for her first nap as she woke up 20min later. I had to resettle her.
Once she begins to feel better I will work on those Nws again.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: *Amy* on February 12, 2011, 15:49:05 pm
sorry to hear that Sabs....hope she feels better soon xx
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 12, 2011, 20:09:40 pm
I hope she gets better soon!
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 13, 2011, 13:54:13 pm
her fever broke yesterday and she began to eat more.  She woke up two times last night. I fed her both times b/c I knew she needed to catch up. 
One step forward, two steps back.  I am waiting for her GS to come so I can work on eliminating her NFs.

How's it going Amy?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 14, 2011, 15:56:43 pm
Last night we had a few Nws. She is slowly getting better. Had to resettle at 11pm, 12am, 1am(fed here) and 5am.
She had a 13hour night and when I put her down for her nap(3hrs A)she slept for 40min. Do you think with a longer night, I can push her A time a little?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 15, 2011, 00:30:59 am
Sorry for the delay in response Sabrina. I think you can push A times after a longer night, but remember that she is just coming off an illness and may not be quite ready.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 15, 2011, 13:13:15 pm
makes sense.  Not sue if it is b/c of the illness that is giving her longer nights(probably is) but she normally averages an 11.5hour night.

Once she gets better, I want to work on pushing her day forward. Ideally, I would like her day to start at 7am and now it normally starts between 6-6:30am.  I normally have to Ap her back to sleep until 7am or i just leave her and get her at 7am.  I wonder if i should try pushing her A time again. 
here is how yesterday went
wake 7:10am
nap 10am-11:25am
nap 2:27pm-4:20ppm(woke up briefly but put herself back to sleep)
bed 7:20pm
NF 2am woke up at 6am and didn't want to go back to sleep.


I will be back for Nws in a few days.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Miagirl on February 15, 2011, 17:02:56 pm
Hello,

Im new to this, but enjoyed reading your posts as I am in VERY similar boat. My LO is a little younger, 5 months next week and since 4 months has started frequent NW. Last night, he woke every hour from 1am on and its feeling like a major regression spiraling down. Although, he wakes many times, we dont generally have to feed him.

I have a quick question. Because of his frequent NW, I have debated stopping the dreamfeed at 11, and just feeding him when he naturally wakes. The dreamfeed worked for quite a while, but not at all right now. I noticed you didnt do the 11pm dreamfeed, and fed closer to 1am or when your LO wakes. Did you ever do the 11pm dreamfeed, why did you chose to stop? just curious. In the BW 3rd book (I think thats the one), it talks about not doing the DF after 11pm. Just looking for advice. Ive just kept with it trying to be consistant.

:)
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 15, 2011, 17:35:13 pm
have you tried an earlier DF, like 10:30pm? 
I never did the DF with this los as for DD1 it caused too many Nws.  I just wanted to go to bed earlier. LOL.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 17, 2011, 12:59:29 pm
O.k Ladies, not sure what is going on. she is 100% better and is still waking up frequently at night.

Here is how yesterday went:
wake 7:10am
S 10:10-11:45am
S 2:45pm-4:10pm
bed 7:10pm

nw 11pm(settle her quickly), NF 12am, Nw 3am (settled here), NF 4am(only drank 3 ozs), cried a little at 5am

Does she need another A increase?

Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 17, 2011, 16:57:42 pm
The NW at 11 is normally an OT waking.  Do you think that is the culprit, instead of needing more A time?

Did you try and settle at 3 am?  I would think she doesn't need this feeding either.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 17, 2011, 21:37:44 pm
I didn't try to settle at the 3am. I guess I should of.  Do you think I should shorten her last A? Does she need more day  sleep?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 17, 2011, 23:45:39 pm
There isn't a definitive answer as to exactly how much sleep she needs.  The average A is about 2.5 hours, but some are definitely doing more than that.  I just question the last A only because of the 11 pm NW.  Your naps are good, but maybe she needs more sleep?  I guess the only way you would know is to make bedtime a little earlier, even by 15 minutes.  Honestly, I am not sure.  Did the NW seem like pain to you or just restlessness?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 17, 2011, 23:56:33 pm
It seemed like restlessness. Tonight I put her down 15min earlier. It has to be her last A time.  :-\ She had a 1hr and 25min nap and I know she was still tired when she woke up but she didn't want to sleep any longer. Hubby is convinced that she needs more day sleep. She rarely gives me a nap longer then 1.5hours. Anyhow, I thought, maybe I should try a CN but then I decided to give her an early bath and bedtime. She was asleep by 6:45pm.  I am going to aim for her last A to be 2hrs and 50min. 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 18, 2011, 00:13:01 am
Good luck!   I hope you have a good night!
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 18, 2011, 21:25:51 pm
update:  She woke up at 11:40pm and was starving, so I fed her. Went down easily. Woke up again at 3am, but settled herself. Then 4:30am I thought she was hungry so fed her(I think she has hit her 6month GS). Woke up again at 6am and then went back to sleep until 7am. 

Today she gave me a morning nap of 1hr and 40min, then a 40min afternoon nap(could be UT).  Now I am going to try to squeeze in a CN.

Here is how it looks like:
wake 7am
s 10-11:40am
s 2:40-3:20(no interest in a nap extension. wanted to play)
I am going to try a 5pm CN.  I was going to AP this with the stroller but it is very windy outside so I have to try the crib.  If she falls asleep, I was going to aim for an 8pm bt.
Does that sound reasonable?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 19, 2011, 13:10:22 pm
so I give up!  :'(  She fought her nap and was in bed and asleep by 6:20pm.  woke up at 10:30pm starving, then 2am (settled herself), then at 3am(wouldn't settle so I fed her) and then at 6am but settled quickly here.  I know she was OT b/c she fought her nap.  I honestly give up. It has to get better.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 19, 2011, 22:36:29 pm
I know - it is very hard.  ((HUGS)) 

What are your solids like?  It is odd that she was starving at 10:30.  Are you sure she was starving?  I know I keep asking, but are you sure reflux is controlled?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 19, 2011, 23:13:37 pm
She has 2 tbspns of cereal in the morning and one veggie for lunch.  Once I go through all the veggies, I was going to start fruits.  I thought she was hungry at that time b/c she drank 7ozs.   I think her reflux is under control. She is so happy during the day.  Now i don't know. The funny thing is that 2mins ago hubby asked me the same question.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Tweakster on February 20, 2011, 03:21:07 am
Hi there Sabs, I think 1.5 hrs is a great restorative naps.  The only time we got a longer nap was when he moved to 1 nap at 12 mths.  Before that I could time him by the clock - 30 mins if OT and 1.5 hrs if spot on A time.  Anything else was a question mark and we rarely got anything else.  It was 30 mins, 1.5 hrs or nothing really. 

At 6 mths 2x 1.5 hr naps is a good amount of day sleep.  She could do with a CN until her A times are up there, but earlier bedtime if she's fighting the CN.  I can pretty much count on one hand the number of CN Finn ever took.  I fought him from 4-7 mths on the CN.  We did earlier bedtime for a long time.  And sometimes we didn't do an earlier enough bedtime because he was a chronic EW and I was scared.  Looking back I think he was just OT at those EW a lot of the time. 

I agree at her age you are probably looking at GS and teething all in one annoying bundle.  And reflux usually flares with teeth.  So feeding her is probably the right way to go, while increasing your solids as Kara mentions. 

I think going to sleep by 6:20 and up by 6 isn't too bad really.  She had some NW but probably related to the GS if she was hungry.  And then she resettled at 6 which is brilliant.  We didn't have any NF at that age but he would wake every day at 4 5.  I would have preferred the NF and then back to sleep...  I think NF just solve themselves in due time whereas EW...well here we are still at 23 mths!!!

Her morning A is long at 3 hrs - do you think she's high on A times?  If so then she just might not need as much sleep.  As you know some kids are higher needs and some lower and some in between. 
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 20, 2011, 13:16:48 pm
She is definitely a higher in A times then Madison was.  I just don't know when to wean these Nfs as I don't have any confidence that she will do it on her own.  Maybe she will prove me wrong! :P  I can increase her solids. I haven't introduce dinner yet.  I was hoping to do that in a month.  Last night, hubby was home so she was in bed and asleep by 6:45pm woke up at 11pm and wouldn't settle until I fed her.  I tried for one hour to settle her so I gave in and gave her her milk. She fell back asleep instantly.  
The only way she will have a CN is in the car or stroller, but walks are out of the question as it is freezing out.
I don't know why now she needs two NFs when she was doing well with one. I guess GS?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: Tweakster on February 21, 2011, 18:58:20 pm
Yep bigger tummies.  It should fade itself out in a week or so.  It could be reflux though too.  It could also be teeth.  Assuming she's started teething already?
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 21, 2011, 20:49:00 pm
She is teething, but no teeth yet. I honestly don't know what do do anymore.
Today, she would easily go down for her naps but then would wake up screaming. The moment I picked her up she fell asleep on my shoulder. I guess the elevation??
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: mmom on February 21, 2011, 20:55:09 pm
It just sounds like discomfort to me.  I am thinking either reflux or teeth.
Title: Re: Multiple Nws for 5,5month old
Post by: scucci1979 on February 21, 2011, 23:29:08 pm
i think you are right.  Another reflux flare. I may try splitting her prevacid again into two.