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EAT => Bottle Feeding => Topic started by: prana on March 04, 2011, 19:12:29 pm
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Hi guys,
My 10 month old is a very very moody and knows her mind kind of eater! I have tried to follow EASY from day 1. She has also been diagnosed with MSPI and the colic moderator on this forum helped immensely in the early months in order to get her diagnosis. We are now at a stage where she does not suffer too much wind and is a pretty happy baby.
I am not too sure how I can write down her days here as they are pretty much determined by what she wants to do. We just have a very general framework that we work on and an example day looks like this-
6am bottle
8- try to give her brekkie but is very dependent on mood as to she will eat or not
A
9am to 9.45- nap
10.30 to 11am- bottle (very moody on this as well some days takes it others have to go to the garage to feed -don't ask why but have had a lot success in that garage!)
12- lunch (again dependent on mood)
1.30-3 or 3.30 nap (I have to always always have to wake her- she goes in her sleep phase at this time)
3 0r 3.30- Bottle (most days I am pretty unsuccessful in this feed)
5- dinner (if had bottle at 3 then very unlikely eat any food)
6 bath
7- bottle (or I try but I have had 0 success for the last 2 weeks)
Now because her day time feeds are so maybe or maybe not's, I worry that she will try to make up the reqd at night. Sometimes she wakes at 1 and believe it or not sometimes you will not hear a peep till 5 am (after a bottle at 3 or even sometime last bottle is 11!!!). Can a child survive on air!I cannot say that her solids are established either. Some days she has them and some days she has 1 teaspoon.
She is putting on weight just fine but I am just hassled by the fact that she doesn't eat and the fact that I do get NW or EW. I also have a 3 yrs so these insane EW and NW are really annoying as I am always feeling so damn knackered all the time. Touch eclait are making a lot of money from me to hide those dark circles!!! ;)
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How much milk is she having in her bottles?
If it were me (and I have done this and it worked) I would rearrange your plan a little.
DS now has his milk after breakfast, in a cup as a drink (started on cups for milk at about 9 months)
Depending on what time he had his breakfast, depends on if he has his morning milk or if I just give him his lunch half and hour earlier.
Afternoon snack he has his food then his milk.
Tea and then milk before bed
DS stopped night feeds at 11 weeks having last bottle at 7 and first bottle in the morning at about 7 or 8! He just had all he needed in the day! Which meant cluster feeding in the evening.
Your LO needs more than just milk now, so encourage the food. And don't let her fill up milk.
P.s. DS is dairy free also, so I know the importance of the milk intake as there is no cheese etc as back up. So don't cut the milk out, just rearrange it a bit.
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Thanks for the reply. I tried the milk in a cup but it did not work as she just didn't know what she was suppose to do with it. ALthough will try again as it was some weeks back I tried the beaker.
She usually has around between 6 to 8 oz per bottle so a full bottle. I am not that concerned about the mornings feed as some where along the day she makes up for it but it is the last feed she completely refuses which means that she would make it up somewhere in the night. There is nothing I can do to make her have that last feed.
Food wise she either likes only finger food (which is good) but not much goes in or very pureed stuff. Tried giving her baby pasta last night and it was a disaster. Just makes a face and spits out. So not able to establish solids either :-(
But will experiment on food before bottle today as you suggested and see how we go.
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I agree about re-arranging things, my DD was on three bottles from around 8 months so our routine was
6/ 6.30 Wake and bottle
8 solids
Nap
12 solids lunch
2/2.30 bottle
Nap
5 solids tea
Bath routine
7/7.30 bottle and sleep
It might be worth trying something like that as the bottles and solids are a bit more spaced out. Personally I would keep the morning bottle first for a while yet although solids are becoming more important she is still getting most of her nutrients from milk for the next couple of months. I also wouldn't worry about giving milk in a cup yet, cups are hard to get much out of and they can make then very windy as they tend to gulp more, keep practising with water! I wonder if she is too tired to take a bottle by bedtime, you could try pushing the naps out a bit so her afternoon nap is a bit later and A time to bed a bit shorter.
What do you think?
Laura
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I agree with lolly on the cup. It was a personal thing for me to get rid of the bottle so early cos I didn't want G to walk around with a bottle. It took a couple of months as I would try and he would refuse. Then one time he took it.
He had always known what to do as he's had water in a cup since 3 months. Sometimes they like the sucking and the comfort it gives.
I also agree with the too tired for BT milk and made me remember we recently giggled G's bed time routine a little as he was refusing bottle and to brush his teeth.
We used to get out bath, have cuddles with daddy whilst he dried and I got bill ready.
Then he'd get pj's on. Bottle. Teeth. Bed.
We changed it to get out of bath, have cuddles with maddy whilst dried and I get milk ready.
Milk. Teeth. Put on pj's. Bed.
We found that as soon as he has his PJ's on he just wanted to go to bed.
We are all different, as obviously lolly and I have different views on offering milk first or second. I guess there is no real right answer you just have to do what you feel is right for your DD. However, you do need to encourage a wide range of foods and get her eating cos the longer it goes on the fussier she will become.
Maybe start a post in the eating forum for some help and advice.
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Thanks guy,
I tried food before milk at the 11am feed and it worked. She had both food and milk which is encouraging :-)
She does drink water out of the beaker so I guess I just have to keep trying with milk. ALthough I am a bit concerned about the wind issue you mentioned with beakers!!I have had one hell of a time with wind in the initial months with hours of crying and burping and meds to control reflux and wind. The mention of wind gives me shiver!!!
Re bringing bedtime bottle I have tried giving her milk before bath as well and even then she has refused it. Every day we try to feed her before bath and if no success then after bath. I actually prefer before bath as it gives us more chance burping her but she would not take it at all!:-(
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I'm not sure about the wind TBH. I do know that DS had awful wind with bottles, but not with cups at all. Could it be an age thing? Not sure but I do find he drinks slower with the cup and will take breaks, but with the bottle at the end it was down in one.
Each baby is different so I guess it could be a trial and error thing
Well done LO for eating! :)
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Another night of no bedtime bottle. I tried giving her milk in the beaker but the face she made was hilarious. I also kept the last A time very short so as she is not too tired at bed time but still did not take the last feed. Had good dinner though. ;D Could it be she just too full after dinner and not hungry enough for that bottle??? Arghhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Another NW or EW for us.. >:( :(
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I would say that she's not hungry for her bottle.
Does she wait every night for a feed? Have you tried weaning it yet? Cos she nay be waking out of habit and then as she's awake she's hungry, cos she doesn't need that night feed now. It may even make her take the last bottle.
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I stopped feeding her at night from almost 4 months. The wind that she used to get was terrible at night and I ended up burping her for over 3 hours. But ever since her wind problem has become better and since she stopped having her last bottle I gave her the bottle because I knew it was hunger for sure. If I can get her to have the last feed then I can stop feeding her at night! Just a silly cycle :-[
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{{{{Hugs}}}} and lots of them too!
How about moving tea forward to 4pm?
That would be 2 hours after afternoon bottle, and 3 hours before bed?
Then gradually move tea time back again.
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Thank you for those hugs.... Really need them!.
A very very weird day today.
Woke up at 4.30 for a feed. Had a full feed and refuse to sleep again. Had another feed at 7 (pretty normal for her to have an EW bottle and then have her usual first bottle at about 7ish)and then knocked out at 7.15 till 9.30.
11- lunch
1- bottle and now it gets weird
1.30 I tried putting her down as it was 4 hrs from when she woke. Completely refuses to nap. Tried 5 times till 3 and then I gave up!
5- dinner (an exceptionally good dinner)
6- Bath
7- get this had a full bottle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D What was that all about! Unfortunately I can't celebrate as she did not burp :'( as she was just too tired and fell almost asleep whilst drinking. Now that is a worry as I like to hear at least 1 burp. But tonight if there is any NW I will not feed her and try to break that cycle.
She must be having a growth spurt or something!
BTW have tried feeding her at 4 as well but did not work with the last bottle. (I don't like this time as I have to get tea ready for my older one and it is much easier having both of them eat at the same time!) But fingers crossed I am hoping we are out of this no last bottle phase
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Don't you just love the way they do this to us ???
I think she wants to make sure your still on your toes!
I will keep my FX for you!
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My two not just toes tip of my toes!!!! >:(
Will keep you posted on how tomorrow goes.
Thanks a ton
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Another successful bedtime bottle although was a bit of a battle. ;D >:( Kept refusing it and I had to dodge it with dummy. Extreme skill required to feed her that bottle and thankfully she had napped this afternoon and i kept the last A very short so she wasn't totally exhausted to burp. BTW last night she had a wake at 8pm crying in cramps from not burping but once the wind came out she went till 6am. :)
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Well done! Give your self a pat on the back! :)
Have you considered the next sized teat? Or just putting an extra hole in yours? May help with the wind as there would be less sucking.
Poor thing with all the wind :( not nice for her. But well done too to her for sleeping!