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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: lilybug25 on June 10, 2011, 03:40:53 am
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Lo is almost 18 months, it's taking forever and ever for her to go to bed at night, she is still up right now and it's 9:30pm, been in bed since 7:30pm. She is NOT crying, not calling out for dh or I. All she is doing is playing. SH is not sick and teething has stopped for now.
I've tired cutting naps down, then lengthing them, we are at a 2hr nap right now, she wakes up happy so I know it's the "right" lenght for now. I've upped her meals thinking it was hunger, tired giving meds before bed for teething. Stopped putting blankets on her if overheating was the issue. Given a big drink of water before bed. Diaper change if wettness is a issue. Bedtime later then earlier. Cut ALL sugary junk out of her diet. And she is still taking 2-2.5 hrs to fall asleep. She is getting up at 7:30am ( woke up at 6am this morning but went back to sleep). I'm lost and tired and fustrated all to heck, I ccannot fully relax till she's alseep and I cannot go to bed myself either till she is sleeping. Any at all advise/ suggestions please please PLEASE!!!
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What time does she have her nap?
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She goes down for her nap at 12:30 and gets up 2:30.
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Have you tried an 8pm bedtime? You may find that a 10.5hr night and 2hr nap is *her* norm. So a later bedtime may help.
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I'll try a 8 pm bt tonight and see how it goes.
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Let me know! and fingers crossed.
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Did a 8 pm bt last night and tonight and Lo is still taking till 9:30pm to fall asleep( still up and singing in her bed as I type), nap yesterday was 1.5 hrs and today just a hour. She woke this morning at 7:15am, I think it was from hunger so tonight she had a bowl of oatmeal and 4 oz of milk right before bed. She starts showing signs of beiing tired at 6-6:30 now so maybe I should just put her to bed then for a couple of days then go from there?
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Is she high sleep needs? perhaps if she is showing tired signs at that time it's definitely worth a shot.
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She does have hight sleep needs, it took almost 2 hrs to get her to nap today, she just woke up crying after less then a hr nap. Will be putting her to sleep early tonight.
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Sounds like the 18 mont old sleep regression we are dealing with at the moment. I have heard a lot of people say it is due to developmental milestones and the LO will go back to their normal sleep shortly. So I am holding out for that as Cadan is also taking 1hr+ to fall asleep at the moment and sometimes resisting BT by crying too.
I was just about to direct you to
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=176250.105
but I see you are already there.
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Thanks Ali, I started my own thread as Lo isn't crying or freaking out, she is just playing and singing and laughing. It's been about 2 weeks I believe and now it's affecting her naps and we are getting earlier wu times each day, but so far (fingers crossed) not nwings.
Is Cadan being the same as LO?
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Well we had about 5 days in a row when Cadan was crying at BT and for most naps. He would just keep standing in the cot crying "mama" getting quite hysterical. I would lay him back down and rub his tummy for a few seconds until he was calm and then leave the room. But he would start again so I would have to PD & WO for 30mins or so. He was also pointing to the floor next to his cot saying "mama, in there" meaning that I should sit there while he went to sleep but then he would "try" for a few minutes before getting up and laughing at me through the cot bars. So even that didn't work plus I don't really want to get into sitting there while he drops off. That would be a step backwards from plopping him in with a kiss and leaving the room as we have been doing for months.
Then the last couple nights he didn't cry when I left the room but then he just lay or sat in the cot playing with his blankies or rolling around chatting to himself happily for at least 30mins, one night over an hour.
I guess he has been waking quite early but never before 7.10am and sometimes as late as 8am. It is just that because it is gone 9pm, sometimes 9.30pm when he goes to sleep at night now that means he is getting little over 10hrs sleep some nights. He was consistently doing 11hr25 for ages before all this started.
His nap used to be 2hr15 but some days is as short as 1hr15 especially when he goes down for it really late in the day.
He will also do anything to stall goingto bed, like asking for more "boobies" when he doesn't really want it, asking to brush his teeth again, have a drink of milk, eat a biscuit (of course not!!). He had a chest infection a week ago and once has even asked for his "med med" by which he meant the antibiotics he had to have for a week. He will also try to run away and when I hold him and do our cuddles while saying our sleepy time phrases he will hit me or pull my hair seemingly just as a delaying tactic.
I am wondering if it is sometimes just that he has realised he CAN stall going to sleep by just not cooperating. And then once in his cot even when tired he can stretch the day that little bit more by playing around. Do you think your LO could have realised this and be "trying her luck"?
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I really thinking that she's pushing her luck at bedtime now. I put her down at 6:30pm last night and it was 9pm when she finally passed out. I to go in there twice as she was crying her eyes out from being ot and then a thris time for a drink of water. I cannot leave a drink with her as even a non spill sippy will somehow get everywhere. She woke up cranky as all heck today at 7:15 and now is refusing to eat( she still is holding her milk cup from 7:30am which is still full and has refused breakfast). Wednesday will be 2 weeks of this, 2 BLOODY WEEKS, I am so sick of it, she is so very very ot her face is almost white with black marks under her eyes. I will be putting her down at 11am as she is still very tired and hopefully she will eat something, anything by 10:30am. I want my good sleeper back!!
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Is she teething do you think? I can see Cadan has a tooth cutting at the bottom. He only has 8 so far so this will be his 9th.
I put Cadan in bed at 8.30 and I think he was out by 9.15pm. He just rolled around chatting etc. and didn't cry at all. I kept thinking he was asleep and then he would chat away again or wave blankie around. So frustrating. DH and I have dinner after he is in bed ( as DH gets home from work late) so I am always holding off dishing up until I know Cadan isn't going to start crying and need one of us to go in there. We are eating at 9/9.30pm which is too late. I thought 8pm was bad enough!
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It's 8:30pm here and Lo has been in bed since 7:30 so a hr so far and still playing and singing. I had her nap from 11-1:30 and we went out this afternoon then had supper at my sister's house. I thought she was just played out but I guess I was wrong. We are also eating later and later as Lo will not go to sleep so last night supper was at 9:45pm and I didn't end up in bed myself till midnight as I needed time to relax. Hoping Lo sleeps in tomorrow but my luck she will be up cranky at 7am tomorrow yet again.
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I'm guessing OT at bed. I would have her in bed by 6.30/45pm if she is waking at 1.30pm.
Perhaps work on 4.5-5hrs after nap wake up?
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I will try that today Laura Thanks, and Lo woke up BEFORE 7am, just not cranky, starving.
So I'll do nap at 11am again and bt at 6:30pm, Lord I hope this works.
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Good luck! I'll keep my spare fingers crossed for you! :)
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Hi.
I've not really an advice, but just to say that DS has done the same the past two-three weeks, and he's now 18 months too. So, I also think that it's 18 months sleep regression. We had long time to go to sleep in the cot, and also EW, and, as a consequence, short nights (til 9.5 hours, one night only 8 hours!). These affected naps as well, they went from 2.5 h to 1.5 h. I've also tried every routine changes, and nothing happened.
From yesterday, things seemed to improved a bit, so hopefully we are going back to normal.
I'm convinced that it is development. For example, for naps and BT, we have been put him in the crib and walked away for months, but since one month or so he's calling us when we leave the room: not crying, only calling. We just stay out of the door saying our sleep phrase, and after a while he eventually goes to sleep. It seems to me that he's trying to stay up more because he would like to play/discover/try more and he's testing his limits.
I know it's difficult, as I was very stressed last week, but I think that we have not to worry too much and wait that this phase passes.
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Well your the light at the end of this tunnel for me barbara78 !!!!
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Glad to be useful for you lilybug25! :-)
I'm only trying to rationalize what's happening all the time, and I know it's hard!! But reading other's posts can help A LOT!
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Being rational is not a strong point right now and having a OT cranky toddler when I'm OT myself is making it harder.
Well I put Lo to bed at 6:30pm on the dot and it took till almost 10pm for her to fall asleep. Thats a new record, 3.5 hrs ::). I had to go in once as she was jumping on her bed I talk firmly to her after laying her down and she cried for a minute then continued to play. I knew she wasn't hungry or to wet or in pain ( I gave meds 30 mins before bed). So I treated it like a battles of wills. When she became very loud or started kicking the wall I went to her door and said " lay down it's time for bed". over and over again. She would get quite then when I would walk away she would mantra cry for 5-7mins then go back to playing. I did this till 8:30pm ( when the jumping on the bed happened) then just ignored her playing and mantra crys and took a bath till she finally passed out. I hope tomorrow goes better and tomorrow night isn't so bad. HOw can a 2 foot 6, 26 pound child almost do me in is beyond me?
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Hi there..
Jumping on to offer some {{Hugs}}!
Just to clarify, is your LO teething at all (sorry if this has already been asked)? It definitely sounds like she's very OT but from what you've described it does sound like there may be something else unsettling her?
How long is she napping for during the day?
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Hi lilybug. My DS1 used to do this whenever he had a language explosion. He couldn't shut his brain off and would spend ages staying up late and just talking. So I would think it is 18mo sleep regression as well, it happened to us at that age too. It did pass, hang in there! :)
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Sian- Lo usually sleeps 2 hrs at nap time, lately it's been less today was almost 2 hrs and woke up happy.
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How was it today?
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Very long, we got home just 20 mins ago and she went from being fine to super cranky, ot again. So bt will be in the next 10 mins max. DH is putting her to bed as I type this. She was fine almost all day.
We had a total breakdown 10 mins after dh layed her down which DH went right back in and rocked her till she calmed down then left the room. Then two 2-3 mins mantra crying jags then nothing, been quiet for quite a while now and it's 9pm! ;D ;D ;D
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How did your night go?
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Sounds good Lilibug.
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Lo was woken up by the ppl downstairs once at 2am but quickly settled back down woke up right before 7 am happy, she also slept from 11:30 to 2pm this afternoon again woke up happy so maybe we are coming to the end.
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Certainly sounds promising.
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Great news!
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BT was at 7:15, due to the workmen next door not finishing till 7:45pm, Lo passed out at 8pm. I really just watched her today and was amazed at how much she has learned in the last 2 weeks, it's like all these little things are clicking in her head and she having these " oh thats how is works/ is said/ means" moments all day. She even said "awesome" after I brushed her teeth for bed AND she her longest sentence to date about a pine neddle thats was in her hand which she took out then put in the garbade can. " Oh no, owey....(put into garage) Ok then (looks at me) I ok." Thats 5 whole words, I'm so proud!! Maybe all this sleeplessness was worth it LOL
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I don't know if you've heard of/read a book called 'The Wonder Weeks' but it highlights the various developmental milestones that LO's go through during their first few years of life, there is a big developmental 'leap' at around 17/18mths which can throw sleep off.
FWIW, my DS who is 17mths has seemed to go through a number of verbal/ physical changes over the last few weeks & his sleep has been off so I do think it's most likely a phase that will pass & it's really a case of riding it out the best you can! :)
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Last nigth was horrible over 2 hr to get her to settle plus no nap, second wave is hitting i'm afraid
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It been a month now and I am still going right out of my mind, we put Lo down 7:45-8pm and she actually goes to sleep at 10pm, wakes up cranky at 7:45-8am. Nap at 12-12:30 for 1.5 hrs once a week a 2 hr nap. This is never going to end is it?
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Have you given meds to eliminate the possibility of teething?
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We have something similar now, except for the difficulties at BT: bed at 9 pm, asleep in 5-10 min, but then up at 7-7.30 am. We used to have wake up at 8-8.30, so we are at 10-10.5 hours night... And tonight we had a NW at 10.40 pm, he wanted to be taken up, as if it is already morning... I don't know if it is still the 18 months phase (DS is almost 19 months), but I've read somewhere that it could take also a couple of months to adjust.