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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: sianie on August 22, 2011, 20:14:45 pm
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Marking my spot. We had 11h night and a nap but not sure how long, probably 1h15-1h30. DH was home half an hour earlier than normal and we had a no meltdown evening, it was so lovely. Everything was just a bit more relaxed and DS not as tired. Managed to put him in bed around 8:45 and I think he fell asleep soon after or around 9. Not sure what tonight will bring, though.
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So we did a 45min nap and am aiming for a 7:30pm latest( I know should be 7pm but that is impossible). Pray for a decent wu time tomorrow ladies.
You know, I never really gave the late bt a shot! I tried one night but it just failed and I had no time to myself. I go to bed at 9/9:30pm. My SILs all told me that they all did a 9pm bt. ???
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4 days in a row of nap refusal, does this mean I need to join this thread???
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Dana, welcome to the thread. We had a big developmental leap and there were nap refusals and SA then, which was about two months ago but I don't think DS is dropping nap but I came here already hehe.... Either way you are very welcome
Sabs, I only do 9 bt because DS wakes mostly after 8! We end up always going to bed way too late because we have a lot to do at night. But for us, we very much prefer late start than 5:30 wu which we had for 17.5 months long :(!!!
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Sabs, hope 45mins works for you tonight. K actually settled much easier compared to hour + nap. Didn't call us back into his room at all. Asleep by 8pm. Not bad - now let's see what time he wakes...
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We got the caregiver to go 1 hr, so 12:40 - 1:40. He was ready for bed (and actually admitted to DH he was tired - fleetingly but still) and out by 7:30. I'm hoping this might be the ticket?
Sabs you can do a later bedtime of course but you will have no time to yourself. If you want to do a later bedtime I'd let her nap 2 hrs and then try a 9 bedtime, expecting her to be up by 7 latest. And you might find that night shaving even more. Personally, I'd rather have an early bedtime if I'm getting an earlier waking but then you need to decide what's most important. Having a long break in the day with a later bedtime or having her asleep earlier in the evening.
We can't do a later bedtime because he has to be up by 6:50 no matter what during the week. So we're stuck expecting him to sleep in this very small window of time. Which is why bedtime for us really needs to be earlier, like 7:30. Hopefully we've managed to get there...we'll see I guess.
Jen hang in there, as you say he's going to school soon and nap isn't an option. He will get used to it, but it's going to take time.
Koe hang in there too, you seem like you have it kind of figured out :)
Dana welcome, I doubt it's pure nap dropping but probably ready to cut and adjust. What's the routine look like now?
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Great job Wendy. I hope this works for you. So this has been a crazy evening. This girl keeps telling me she is NOT tired. What gives!!! I am tired!!! We started our wd at 6pm, bath, snacks and T.V. came up at 7pm for story time. Alyssa normally goes down first at night but tonight she is a little later as she had a later nap. So hubby had to go to sleep so we went into Madi's room for story time. Yay right! She started jumping on her bed, playing with her sister and hiding under the blankie. ::) ::) ::) After 15min of this I told her I have to go bring A to her room and she of course got out and stayed in her room. Hubby came and told her to stay in her bed. This took us to about 7:45pm and she went silent. Why is this girl not tired? Is she just fighting the tired signs? I am really thinking we have a big developmental leap going on!!
It is 8pm and A is never up at this time. I can hear her talking through the monitor. I learned my lesson-no napping until 3pm.
I agree Wendy, I rather have the evenings to myself for now at least.
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I hope you're right Wendy because with DD2 doing short naps/still having NWs, I feel like I get no break! R wakes up around 6:45 each day (give or take about 15 minutes) and her nap is usually between 12:30-1 until about 2-2:30. She has always been on the low sleep needs side so it's about 1.5 hours on average.
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It seems B is much younger than your LO's hmmmm...
He had a 3 hour sleep yesterday (I woke him) he was so happy all afternoon, no bad behavior... But he didn't fall asleep until 7.45pm (restless until 8.15) and woke early at 5.30am. I put him down just after 12 this afternoon and lights out in a few minutes.
So... 3 hours is too long. I'm thinking if he has a long nap I wake him at the 2 hour mark? WDYT? Thing is at 1 1/2 hour day nap he's just awful. He's still quite young though so I'm not sure WTD!!!
I think I'm going to cap his day nap at 2 hours (that's if he does sleep that long!) with a 7pm bedtime. I reallllllly need nights to my self. I'm also a fan of earlier nights = earlier mornings. I just don't know if I should count A time from when he wakes in the morning or set a lunch nap? Sighhhhh...
Does anyone have any ideas? Keeping in mind he's 25mos.
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Finn started at that exact age Alice. He's only 29 mths and we are still fiddling with nap length. First it was bedtime shenanigans, like crazy time. But he would then sleep longer in the AM and we'd have to wake him. Then we had nap refusal a few times. So we started cutting.
I would definitely cut him back to 2 hrs. 3 is a lot of day sleep for his age. Start with 2 and see how he gets on. It might be all you need to do at this point to maintain a decent night.
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We got a 5am wu! She came into my room and fell asleep on my bed until 6:30am.
I had such an awful headache last night that I couldn't take her back to her room. i have told her this am that I am going to put a gate at her door.
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On a 45 min nap you need an earlier bedtime hon. With all these early wake ups and short naps she's not getting a chance to catch up. If you are going to cut the nap early bedtime is the only way to compensate.
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I know. I tried for an early bt last night but she wanted nothing of it. It took me 30mins to get her down. We were in her bed early but she just kept getting out and saying she wasn't tired.
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so we are out this evening. I let Madi sleep from 12:30-2:10pm. She woke up in good spirits. Of course, she wanted to sleep on the sofa. Now I don't know what time I should tell my SIL do bt? I was thinking 8pm. Oh boy, are they going to have fun with her. LOL
She never did well with nap cuts. If only she would not fight me when it comes to bt!!
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Hehe at least you won't have to do bt tonight, Sabs! Hw did it go?
I forgot to mention one thing about the total A time. when DS started getting out of the EW/NW hell, he was doing 7-7 with 2h nap. If I put him down even 5 mins later than 7, I would get EW or NW or both! Nap time was set at 12:30. Then, things shifted, more like 8-8, and then 9-9! With nap time still the same due to daycare. So he was switching from long first A to long second A but keeping the same nap time! Can you imagine? After 12h nights, waking at 9 or later, he still went down for his nap at 12:30-12:45!!! Nap did get shorter from 2h to 1h30 on average.
Then suddenly about 2-3 months ago, nights got shorter. SA at bt, NW and short nights! Now hes more or less sleeping close to 11h. He definitely needs his nap still. I want to scream! Why is nap and sleep so hard?!?!
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I found once K's nights were getting shorter he switched to a shorter first A. He was just too tired. Now, I've managed to somewhat flip it back by cutting his nap to force a shorter second A. Sometimes works, sometimes not.
Sabs, sorry to hear about the 5am wu. That is pretty awful. Do you think there is anyway you can get her to do a really early BT with no nap - like in bed at 6:30?
This morning K woke at 7:30 after a long NWing. But I think he was having a nightmares because he woke talking about bugs and spiders in the garden - um, weird at midnight. I don't think it was routine related?? So today he fell asleep again around 1:40 and I gave him 45mins. Fell asleep tonight at 8:15pm. Still took him a long time to fall asleep but was at least quiet and didn't scream the and call us back into his room. If we get another decent night, I will stick with 45mins again tomorrow.
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Thanks Wendy... Yesterday he slept 1 3/4 hours and woke happy on his own. He woke at 6.05am this morning and BT was at 7pm last night which took him 30mins to go to sleep. One NW at 8.15pm.
He used to do well on set nap and BT. I'm thinking 12.30?
I'm so glad he's still in a Cot! I couldn't imagine the craziness he'd out me through if he was in a BBB. I'm dreading the change- he's really tall and chunky boy so I feel if he has another growth spurt... Oh! Don't want to even to think about it!
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hey you guys started without me?!
BBB was the start of our problems here too. K is only a little older than Brock Alice and we have been here a month or two.
I am in a good mood though as we had a 13+(yes I said 13+)hr night last night from 6.45-8.05 this morning afterno nap yesterday. We also had a no nap day today as with a 8am wu it would have been too late top do a nap by the time he would have been tired. He was asleep by 6.30pm. I just hope he does a long night again or I will be up early.
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Wow. That is an amazing night. I am so jealous.
so we went out last night and I told my SIL to put her in bed a little after 8pm. She said she fell asleep at 8:30pm and needed her by her side. She woke up at 12am then at 5am. I had to bring her back to her bed at least 15times before 6:30am, when her clock changes. So with a 1.5hour nap and a 6hour A after that, that gave us a really short night. How in the world do I get out of this cycle?
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Try no nap today - super early bedtime. If she crashes don't let her kip longer than 20 mins. Gate at the bedroom door pronto.
(((hugs)))
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Go for it, Sabs. We are holding your hand. I think she needs something to shake her out of this loop. And you have nothing to lose ;)
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Gate is going to go no the door. We just need to get another one.
We were out. Meltdowns all morning. Crashed in the car at 11am, so I transferred her in her room. She woke up, cried and said she can't sleep. then fell asleep. Now what do I do? I read this too late! I am just shattered.
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O.k so she is not going to nap. I hear her crying. I have no idea what to do for the rest of the day. She slept for 15 min and it is now 11:30am.
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Can u get her to hold on for the rest of the day and do something like 6pm BT?
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I can try my hardest. This really sucks.
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ladies, I am stuck ATM. If you read this, I need some advice. Madi fell asleep at 3pm as I was cooking dinner. I don't know what to do now. Let her sleep until 3:30pm? What time should bt be?
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Hey Sabs, did I read it correctly that she woke at 5 this morning and now she crashed at 3? Try 30 min nap and normal bt?
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that is correct!
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Sabs, would u try to aim total A time at 10 h tomorrow? It's what her body is telling right now. There is of course a risk of bt refusal but if you havent tried it already. Hugsss
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If K had that night and woke so early I would have done early nap and then normal BT. No help now of course. I do find if K has a nap it needs to be 45mins or he will be a nightmare when he wakes. Here I would wake at 3.45 and do Bt for 7pm. Otherwise he would get Ot and past it and it would end up being a crying mess at 9.30pm. Don't know if that would work for you???
We had 12hr night last night so up just before 6.30 which isn't awful. I was so silly today though and forgot to put K to nap early (11am) before I had to go out at 11.45! I was planning to leave him with DH who was off but then he started getting his shoes on and I didn't have the heart to leave him. I pushed him home in the buggy but he didn't sleep at 3pm (would have been a quick one). He was ready for bed at 5pm but by the time we had dinner it was 6.30 before he was asleep. I have a feeling he will EW in the morning. I have warned DH he is doing the EW as I can't do 3NW with DS2 and an EW with DS1! I am defiitely letting him nap at least 1.5hrs tomorrow.
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Day 6 of nap refusal ......
I put her in bed but it just doesn't happen. I hope it's a passing thing. She has been doing 12 hour nights at least
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Sabs I just wanted to offer hugs xxx
Sorry I have no advice to offer, she does sound like she neeeeeds sleep though...And u need a break. I agree - getting the gate on ASAP will atleast give you some control?
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We have a gate on k'S door and he has fallen asleep at it once or got himself back in bed after we didn't go up when he called.
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We were doing an early am nap this morning. We were out and she fell asleep 10mins away from home. I tried to transfer her and she said she wasn't tired. Come 3pm, she passed out on the sofa. I woke her after 20min and am going to do an early bt. I really hope this doesn't mess her up. She was a high sleep baby and toddler until now. I really thought this girl would be napping until 3.5years old. ??? ??? I just don't understand how in 24hours they can change so quickly. Also, when she was tired in the past, she used to always tell me that she wanted to nap or go to bed. I do think there is a lot of testing going on here.
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So here is an update.
Woke her up at 3:30pm, was a mess but then settled. Started wd at 6pm. Went into her room at 7:15pm, sand some songs and read some books. She didn't' want me to leave. It is as if she is scared to be alone atm. Anyhow, settled by 7:40pm.
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woke up at 5:30am. Kept bringing her back into her bed until 6:30am(I think it was 3 times). Brought her into my bed and she didn't fall back asleep. Don't know what to do today!
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Big hugs {{{}}}. This has got to be exhausting for you! What would happen if you just threw out routine for one day And let her tell you when she needs to sleep and let her go as long as she needs?
K just refused his nap today. By 2pm we were getting, "no, I am not taking a nap today". He had an 11.5hr nigt so hoping he has stamina to get through today and will put him to bed at 7.
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Jen, at least you had a good night. I wouldn't mind if Madi's nights went back to 11hrs. I just can't believe how messed up everything is ATM. Seriously, how am I supposed to make her last until bt? I say by 2-3pm, she will crash on the sofa. I asked her if she wants to nap and she no.
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We got a couple nw last night where he seemed to think it was morning and asked to go downstairs at 1 and 3am! Luckily i picked up a groclock today so hope that helps. We did a 2hr nap today to get over the obvious ot but now he is fighting at at 8.30. He is yawning and tired though. I am wondering if they need a longer wd as they get older?
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How did BT go? Did she end up crashing on the sofa this afternoon?
K started to get really excitable at BT around that age. I tried everything, longer WD, earlier BT, later BT, singing, stories... looking back I think it was just that he was starting 1-0, wasn't as tired and needed less day sleep...
He didn't fall asleep until 8pm tonight even though we had him in bed at 7. We had a NW at 10 already. ::)
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so ladies, I let her sleep for 40mins. Going to aim for a 7:30bt. I doubt she will be asleep by then. She just fights now.
I would cap his nap to 1.5hours and see if bt gets easier.
I want to drop this nap cold turkey, but with these ridiculous Ews, it seems impossible. Also, she has never had an Ew this early.
fingers crossed for tonight ladies. HOpe your nights go well.
update: put her down at 7:20pm and she wanted me to sleep with her. I finally realized now that she is scared to sleep by herself and I really think this is causing all this sleep chaos. Anyhow, asleep by 7:40pm.
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I guess we had a better night. Woke up at 5:40am, put her back in her bed and she came back at 6:20am. I don't know what to make of it!
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They really keep us guessing don't they.
We went to a wedding yesterday even and I had a nightmare putting K down to sleep and he didn't nap until 3.45 and then I was willing to let him sleep but he woke at 1hr45 and was really upset obviously still tired. We then went to the wedding where he ran around like a nutter until midnight then fell asleep at 12.15am in the car and was easily transfered to bed. He woke at 9.30am this morning and has had no nap today. He is currently awol with DH so who knows what time he will get to bed (it is 6.30 already - hope he has had dinner and can go straight up.
He doesn't seem much into the groclock. i have to keep eminding him to look. It is set for 7.30 as this has been our wu for ages before all this. He got up at 7.20 yesterday and I had to remind him to wait. Wondering if I should set it lateras he had had 10.75h sleept by then and a nap the prvious day so probably enough. It is annoying to reset else I would do it daily depending on bt.
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Sorry I just had to post *somewhere* O slept 13hrs on Saturday night :o :o
However he made up for it last night by waking at 1am and saying he wasn't tired and wanted to get up ::) ::)
I guess I am testament that there is *some* light at the end of the tunnel and the no nap has helped us even if not completely.... yet!
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That is great. We got a plus12hr last night. He was asleep by the end of his wind down song tonight which is always a lovely peaceful start to the evening. Ideally he would hat napped but he woke at 8.40am so i can't have it all.
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there is light! I read your posts and think to myself, it will get better. Madison gave me a better night. Slept for almost 11hrs. Official wu time was 6:20am with a 7:30pm bt. She did wu at 5:30am and asked me to come to her room(some fear issues going on) so I did and stayed until she fell asleep. She woke up at 6:20am crying and running to my room. Oh boy!!
Anyhow, gave her a 1hr nap today from 1:30-2:30pm. Was a bear to wake up. She kicked me!! Wasn't too pleased with that. Got her in bed and asleep by 8pm. I am thinking she needs 5.5hours of A after a one hour nap.
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It's good to hear you're getting somewhere with it Sabs.
We've been ok for the last week... I think it's milestones and teething. I've been reading BW Toddler book and I think my spirited monkey just doesn't want to miss out on anything! We've been having 10 1/2- 11 1/4 nights with one 1 1/4 - 2 hour day nap and the nap refusals have stopped (for now) I've capped all naps at 2 hours and I think it's helped? I think the long naps are causing a domino effect on his total sleep which ends up OT!
I don't get it! If I had heaps of sleep I wouldn't want to stay up? I'd just want more sleep! I never thought I'd say that sleep is precious, I'd rather sleep over diamonds any day! ;)
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me too! I would rather sleep! LOL
At that age, Madison was still doing 2hr naps. I think I capped her nap when she was 2.5years old.
we got a 6am wu, so a 10hr night. The little bugger decided to storm her sister's door open. I think she heard her and thought I was there. This of course woke her up. I told her to stay on my bed so I could settle her sister. Of course her sister didn't settle and Madi didn't go back to sleep.
Did I mention, I hate naps! I can't wait until this nightmare of a phase is over. Now I am getting sick b/c I am just so worn out.
Anyhow, should I aim for another 1hr nap for Madi at 1pm and do a 7:30pm bt?
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I find the more I stress about naps the worse it gets. TG K has been better lately because I have been having 5 or so NW with DS2 and I cannot do EW too. I often say to DH the best pressie you can give a mum is sleep!
I don't remember if I said this already Sabs, but I think her EW sound OT so I would do an even earlier BT. Does she seem tired earlier? I find with DS the sleep window is small when OT and if I miss it he gets a second wind and seems UT but is really Ot and so can't settle.
We got a 7.40am wu today. I planned a no nap day as we were out at playgroup 12-3 but on the way to a fete at 4.15pm DH carried DS up a hill and he fell asleep! We let him have 45mins and then I planned to put him to bed at 8pm but his Nana came over just as were were heading up so he ended up seeing her a little and then he wanted her to put him down and messed around a little and eneded up sleeping by 9pm. I don't mind the not going to sleep as long as it is happy "all the bodies come and play with me's play doh" type not going to sleep rather than the screaming kind. And as long as we don't get EW the next day. If we get EW tomorrow I will let DS nap at 11am and get DH to stay in with him since he is off. I will take B to playgroup. TG the other volunteers are back from holidays next week so I will do 1 or 2 days a week only instead of 3.
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I do think OT too but it is just figuring out what time bt should be. Today, she actually fell asleep on the sofa at 12:30pm as she has a cold. I let her sleep until 2pm and put her down for bed at 8pm. She didn't look that tired when I was laying with her. She kept talking and talking.
I hate nws and ews. We can never win. The price we pay for being moms. :P :P
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Hi, can I join? I *think* we're about to enter nap dropping with D. yesterday was the second time in a week he refused the nap. He's a good natured kid so doesn't get all angry about going for the nap, but once he's up there he just chatters away, yells everyone's names, blows raspberries, etc. It's quite funny to listen to! I leave him to it for as long as poss as i figure he's having some rest in just lying in bed for 30-40 mins. On the days he hasn't napped he's been absolutely fine moodwise and is fine at going to at his usual time of 7.15. But then he is really great at handling less sleep if he needs to
I'm hoping for a nap today as he didn't nap yesterday and was up at 6.40am, his usual wake up is 6.50-7.20am.
Seems like he's following a similar pattern to his older brother. I was working when he was dropping the nap so at first he just decided to not nap at nursery for the first few weeks. Then he'd only nap at weekends, snuggled on the sofa with Daddy, then he finally droped that. It was an easy transfer, so I'd like the same again!
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Sorry, meant to add, he's 2yr and almost 3mths and he currently sleeps 11.5-12hrs at night and has 1-1.25hrs in the day.
he's napping today, which I knew he would he's so tired. So looks like we're at the start of that long journey to no nap!
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Welcome consmummy.
Everything sucks. It's so bad. I don't know if I'm going to make it guys!
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welcome.
I am with you Wendy. I don't know if I am going to make it. I am just running low on patience and out of ideas.
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They do grow out of it eventually I hear! Hang in there girls.
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Everything sucks. It's so bad. I don't know if I'm going to make it guys!
Totally with you Wendy....see below! :(
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=216594.0
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Wendy that does suck! Xxxxx
I'll have a look at your post Sian - not sure if I'll be able to help though :(
Can I ask if everyone's LOs are in BB? Is this when sleeping went wonky? I'm really worried about the transition. I'm thinking I'll leave it as long as possible...
We had 2 NW and a kinda EW He had another restless sleep. My mum had him yesterday and capped his nap at 2 hours. I should just be grateful as 2 weeks ago he was in an OT mess!
Welcome consmummy :)
My only advice I have would be watch for the dreaded OT cycle. Even if B refused a nap over a few fays and seemed ok i learnt quickly to bring his BT forward to "attempt" to prevent OT cycle. It can happen really quickly! xxxx
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Welcome Consmummy.
Our issues definitely started with BBB Alice. We also had a second baby, weaned from the breast and PT so not 100% sure what the real issue was.
I am seeing some improvement lately though so Hope for the time being I am balancing it all ok.
We have had 7.40am wu for 2 days. Yesterday 45min nap and 9pm BT and today no nap and 7pm BT. I will see what happens. I hope we get a good 12hr night in. K was a real handful tonight (threw his noodles all over my sister!) but we had a houseful of friends/family as usual so it is hard to judge OT with OS.
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Madi was in a BGB since she was 19months. No issues there. She just figured out now how to get out.
Madi crashed at 12pm and woke up at 1:30pm in good spirits. It was so weird seeing her like that. She didn't go to bed until 8pm. She was just stalling and stalling. I hope our night is decent. Just shows that when the nap is shorter she falls asleep quickly.
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They do grow out of it eventually I hear! Hang in there girls.
I would say so! Mind you DS still isn't STTN every night but falling asleep in seconds nice and early is a bonus!
I totally believe the key is early bedtime. Earlier than you think. I would do everything poss to get these LOs into bed early when they do not nap.
((((hugs))))
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Asleep at 8pm and woke up at 6:20am, crying and calling for me. She ran into my room, saying she was scared.
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so she fell asleep at 12pm on the sofa, sitting up. LOL She woke on her own at 1:30pm again. Going to aim for another 8pm bt.
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need to hang my head here...just got H into bed at 6.35pm which is the earliest for ages. It seems to make no difference with us whether he has a nap or not in terms of the time it takes him to settle to sleep i.e. with a nap he is still ready for bed by 7pm - it just tells me he is tired.
Some trying behaviour today including pooing his pants for the third day in a row and then asking me 'are you happy' Better go before this turns into a couch post.
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{{Hugs}} Becky!!
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Got a nap out of D today, which was well needed. He chattered away for ages but eventually settled and had about an hour. However it's all about to go a bit wrong I think as I've had to give him meds this evening due to him burning up. Hope it's just teeth (we're waiting on the last top 2) as we're due to have a BBQ with friends tomorrow and I've bought all the food!
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We are still going great guns. I feel bad saying this since some of you are having a bad time, but at least it may give you hope and if it is any consolation I was up many times with DS2 yesterday.
Anyway, K slept 13hrs last night. I planned to do a nap day today but went shopping with my sister and eneded up leaving later than I planned in the 1st placeand then spent ages so it got too late. K was alseep by the end of wd tomight at 7pm. I could handle these 11hr days and 13hr nights. We are going to visit my work (am on mat leave) tomorrow so sure it will all go wrong and we will get EW and I can't do a nap and go out for lunch as lunch is 12.30.
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hugs Becky.
I put Madi down for bed at 8pm and of course she kept asking me to stay for one more minute. I am expecting a 10hr night.
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Sigh girls! We're up and down! B slept 3 hours yesterday for his nap. I let it go because we had to go out and I knew we'd be back a bit later. So EW this morning, not sure if it was the 3 hour nap or later BT? Ay! Who knows?!
Hugs all... Yawwwwwn...
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One of the signs that DS1 was ready to drop the nap was EW, he'd go to bed fine and wake at 5am. Hope you can get some rest at some point, Brocks mummy xx
Think D is a bit poorly still. After i went to give him meds he did sleep all night till 7.15 but he's not himself. I have sent him to nursery as usual and told them. Normally he gets there and he's off without a backward glance but today he was clingy. No tears, but he looked so sad as he stood there waving to me with one of the carers! Took all my strength to drive off out of the carpark and not go back in there and grab him!
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10hr night here again. Woke up at 6am on the dot. Sigh. At least with the 1.5hour nap she is getting a little more sleep. Sleep is averaging about 11.5hours now. She used to do 12.5hours. I just don't know why this girl won't add to her night. We are on day two of doing a longer A to bed.
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Sorry Becky, but that really made me laugh. 'Are you happy?' lol where on earth do they get this stuff lol
Ok I'm cracking up, really and truly, here's my post for anyone not familiar with my usual EW drama:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=216336.0
If you have tips or commiserations, please feel free to join in.
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K was up 6.50 but nearly 12hr night so i can't complain. I put him in the buggy and carried b when we were out but he didn't nap at 12.30 then on the way home he was falling asleep standing on the train. Kept him awake 2 stops then swapped him back to the buggy but he then seemed to wake up. Everyone was laughing on the train. He was in bed by 7 and asleep in minutes. Hope we get 12hrs tonight again. I Will give him a nap tomorrow for sure. We are home so Will put him down in his bed.
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I really miss those wus. It has been 5weeks now that we are dealing with 6am or earlier wups. I am hoping that gong back to a 1.5hour nap and a little later bt will help her moods. ::) ::) I don't know what else to do. One hour naps were just making her utterly miserable and ew the next morning- but would go to bed really easy. I don't know. I am hoping to move her nap closer to 1pm for 1.5hours and then do an 8:30pm bt. How does that look? I don't think we will get our 11hr nights back unless drops her nap. Now the thing is that she will NOT nap in her bed anymore. It is the sofa, so I try to make it cozy for her. I don't let her watch T.V until it is around her nap time. This is so freaking hard, really hard! I am losing my mind and am thinking I need to drink.
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D napped for an hour at nursery yesterday, but I'm not sure about today. We had friends over for a BBQ so the kids had a slightly later night, think it was about 8.15. D slept till just before 8am so I'm not sure if he'll be ready for a nap at his usual 1pm. Thing is I don't like to have him sleep past about 2.30 in order to preserve bedtime, so I guess I'll just have to put him down normal time and see what happens?
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sabs hun - it is so hard - I had my wine all ready for after bedtime last night! ;)
I have to say that I am jealous of those with lo's that will nap. No naps with a spirited toddler and a 3 month old is sooooooo hard.
wendy - I know - he says it all the time now and today he asked me and I just said No I am not Henry and I just got a huge grin - charming!!!
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I want to scream cry and throw things...oh, and drink with Sabs and Becky.
Becky I almost wish Finn wouldn't nap at this point. Truly. What do I do with a kid on the weekend who is passing out at 10 am from yet another short night? Grrrr. I think I'm going to do early nap and early bedtime. Seems like a logical choice (I'm being funny here - of course there is no logic in this!)
Consmummy - his body might be ready, body clock thing. I'd give it a go to preserve your bedtime.
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I don't get it. Really!!
In bed and asleep by 8:05pm and woke up at 5:55am. By noon she will pass out and then the cycle continues. Do I add more A to bt or just leave it as is?
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Hugs, Sabs. I have no idea. I thought I got it but then boom nights are getting shorter again. Averaging around 10h. DS had a terrible wheezing cough! It scared us as it sounded like he couldn't breathe. Just managed to get him to nap. Maybe his body clock shifted again. We are all so tired from this...
On another note, doesn't it bug you all to keep meeting people with sleepy kids?? :p I don't mean to be mean... Just it's just come on!! Why is it so easy for some??
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OMG I hate those people. Whenever DH and I discuss other kids we meet it's always 'did you see that kid passed out in the stroller?' or 'how nice for them their kid sleeps 7-7'
6:55 and he's yelling 'all aboard, daddy! Choo choo'. Mildly funny.
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yeh, I hate those people too especially as they seem to put so little into it yk? My good friend (obviously don't hate her!) said she had a dinner party the other night and her 3 year old put herself to bed because she had lost track of time!!! oh how I would love to lose track of time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whenever DH and I discuss other kids we meet it's always 'did you see that kid passed out in the stroller?' or 'how nice for them their kid sleeps 7-7'
It's not just other peoples kids either. Sometimes I see an advert or something where a kid is aslepp because "Well, kids eh! don;t they just fall asleep all the time". Pfffft yeah right lol.
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don't get me started on those people. My friend says her older daughter who just turned three still takes a long nap and sleeps until 9am. Whatever!!! ::) ::)
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Ladies, what would you do today. Madi was up at 6am, napped from 12:25pm-1:40pm, woke up screaming b/c I was not on the sofa with her. Sigh.
What time should bt be? I don't know how long she needs-6hrs? if she is in bed at 7:40pm, that means we will get a 5:40am wu tomorrow. WTF is wrong with this girl?
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Sabs, if you aim at 7:40, she will be asleep around 8? Then wu will be 6? I am lost myself, so just some hugs...
You know... I see how so many new parents just get on with their live tagging along a LO! Cant even wait to try for second because it's been so easy for them! Arghhhh, I just want to scream!
DS is totally out of sorts today. Cough got slightly looser, at least no heaving. But at 4pm, he was crying to go home from the park!! We jut couldn't believe our ears! Decided to put him to bed around 7, as he only had 30min nap at 12:30. He got so hyper in bed, took him 30 mins but he was just exhausted, yawning in bath, etc. Our usual bt is 9! I am really worried that he will wake at 5! I want to stay positive but it's not easy!!
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Glad DS's cough is better Koe. I think you have to expect more Ot with illness.
We did a nap today as we have been getting earlier and earlier wu's. We were up 7am and napped 1-2.30. I had him in bed at 8pm but he messed around until 8.50 before he slept. I am anticipating a 7.30 wu in the morning. I am getting good a predicting wu but not the sleep part.
I have a party for my 7yo neice tomorrow afternoon so not sure when will fit nap in???
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since he is not feeling well, he may surprise you and sleep longer. Fx for you and sending some healthy vibes your way.
I dream of a 7am wu now. LOL. I get so upset b/c this has been her wu time as far as I can remember and now we are stuck with these pesky ews. this sucks!!
I put her down at 7:45pm and I think she fell asleep at 7:55am. Please 6:30am wu-at least. :'( :'(
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How did last night go, Sabs? Sorry I've not posted in response to you before, but I don't really have anything constructive to offer! Just wanted to let you know you have my support.
I know what you mean the nodding off in the pushchair thing. DS1 would NEVER sleep anywhere else other than the cot. DS2 does sleep in the pushchair, that was the only place he would sleep when he was little. BUT I have to recline the pushchair, pull the sunshade right over to block out as much stimulation as poss and these days the second I stop walking he's awake! it's not like 'ooh, look at that, he just nodded off' or anything.
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10Hr night after his lil brother up early and babbling at the top of his lungs from 6am. I put him down just before 11 and had 25min screaming because he decided he wanted a bath! At least i can get him up by 12.40 if he has 1.5hr and make my party by 1. My sister decided we should come early which made nap a tight squeeze. Sorry i don't have much to offer advisewise. If we get ot i would let k sleep as long as he wants and do a late bt and hope for a lay in. I do think she sounds more like a dear issue than sleep alone sabs. What would happen if you stayed with her to sleep at night until she gets out ot cycle and worked on withdrawing later?
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thanks for the support.
At least we have each other. :-*
DD2 too will sleep in the pushchair but that has to be covered also.
I am emotionally, physically and mentally drained. :'( Guess who woke me up at 5:50am on the dot this morning? It wasn't my alarm clock! I brought her back to her bed and stayed with her until her sunshine came on. I kept asking her what happened to my good sleeper. I was in and out of sleep and I thought for a minute she fell asleep but nope. So I guess, me staying in her bed is not want she wants. I just think she is stuck on these 10hr nights and doesn't know how to sleep in more.
As soon as the sun came on she said "mommy go downstairs, no more sleep." That was another 10hr night. If I shift her nap later and bed time to 8:30pm, does that mean she will wake up at 6:30am???
I don't want to cut her nap ATM as her nights are short.
This really sucks.
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Sabs, if you haven't tried late bt, it's perhaps worth trying. Or do it when she got a late longer nap.
We got more than 11 last night and no NWs ( I got new earplugs from hardware store, man, they are the best). I have a new theory for those who care to hear hehe. DS started having decent sleep at 23 months. 7-7 with 2h nap at 12:15-12:30. Then it shifted later to 8-8, 9-9 or 9:30 even! With the same nap time. It's like his preference just shifted from 5h first A, till 3h!!! That was about 2-3months ago. Seems like after this massive GS, his body is shifting towards 7wu again! Lucky that our time is flexible, so we are going to shift his day again. 7:30 bt. We are doing a late nap at 1, but I still hear him babbling now.
More hugs to you all
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Maybe you need to force a no nap day to force a good night sleep sabs. That is that helped us get over the 2 to 1 transition. Maybe she doesn't need a nap every day but because of the poor nights and ew she can't get there. I have to take k out somewhere to avoid naps and he does way better than at home. Worth a try if no luck with the early bt.
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I agree - we throw in a no nap day quite often on weekends because it does extend his night. And yes we even do it from an EW - the behaviour kind of sucks but we just keep him busy through it. If he nods in the car it's not really restorative but takes the edge off the worst of meltdowns.
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I'd go with what the others said, trying a no nap day is worth a shot.
Today appears to be a no nap day, he's up there now shouting away. I didn't think he'd nap because while he seemed tired he slept in till 8am, so 12.5hr night. It's definitely going to be a case of taking each day as it comes here.
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I totally get what you are saying but it very difficult to keep her up as Alyssa naps from 12-2pm. I am stuck inside during that time. Of course, that is the time hubby takes a nap too.
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Hi there
What is the earliest age known for a toddler to drop his day nap?
My DS is 23,5 months old.
He sleeps on average 10 - 10.5 hours a night.
He sleeps on average 1h30 in the day.
Good day's total sleep is 12 hours, normal day is 11.5 hours in total. Not a lot heh?
Awake time from wake-up to day nap is normally 5.5 - 6 hours.
In the last week he's been struggling with and fighting the day nap.
Should I be putting him down later now 6.5 hours awake time and then waking him up after 1 hour?
I like him to bed in bed by 7pm, to fall asleep by 7:30 latest so that DH and I can have time to cook, catch up etc. The adult time that all parents should try get :-)
Hope this is the right thread to post this on.
Thanks
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I wish I could help you but I am so lost with this transition. You could try to move out his nap 15min later and cut it to 1hr and 15min. He should still be tired for his usual bt.
So ladies, she was so miserable at 11am. Meltdown after meltdown. I kept explaining to her that she was tired but she said "no." I asked her if she wanted to go for a nap and she said "no nap," with an angry voice. Sigh. I feel I am getting beaten up by this girl. Seriously, how can she be so moody. I feel so bad b/c I try to be so patient with her but lately, I have been yelling at her. I think we need a break from each other.
She fell asleep on the sofa at 12:30pm. I am hoping she will sleep until 2pm. If she wakes up and doesn't see me on the other sofa, she is going to have a fit. Grrr... I can't win.
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Hi kath, welcome to the thread! We are all a bit lost with this transition but we will support each other. If you think he is UT and hence fighting the nap, should try extending A time a bit to see. You never know until you try.
Sabs, what if you just ignore her meltdowns, what would she do? I think when she is upset about something, she is too young to be able to cope otherwise. You just have to ride it. So more hugs..
We got 1h45 nap at 1:10 PD but he didn't fall asleep until 1:30. So A time was 6h40!!! So I chickened out to do early bt and put him down at 8:40 and he was quite happy to go down, he is still babbling away now. But is cough is almost gone!! I am totally prepared for EW...
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Not sure if welcome is the right word Kath but you do seem in the right place. K was doing 1.5hr nap and 10.5hr night at 23mo. It is on the low side. I know Wendy doesn't get more out of Finn either do you Wendy? We were in bed at 8 and asleep by 8.35 after a 1hr40 nap. Would have been 1hr 30 but dh doesn't appreciate the significance of 10 extra mins. Hope we make 7am. Sabs if dh is home napping can't you take her out and leave a with him?
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I do try to ignore her meltdowns and when I do, she just follows me. sigh
I could go out while hubby stays home with Alyssa but her nap is not consistent in length. I always have to extend.
I had to wake her up at 2pm and started wd at 6pm. Brought her to her bed at 8pm, sang some songs and left at 8:20pm. Fx for a decent wu time tomorrow.
good luck ladies.
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Hi mums, thanks for your replies.
What I am alerted by is, "We are all a bit lost with this transition".
What is the transition?
If you are meaning, transitioning to no day naps, surely 23 months is way to young for stopping day naps? or not?
Also, I never wake my DS up after any sleep as I feel he is always on the low side of sleep so always hope to hit the 12 hour total sleep mark.
But I read on this forums that many mums are waking their kids up after a certain amount of day-nap time.
It just wouldnt feel right for me, unless he is sleeping til 3pm in the afternoon and then I wouldnt want him to stay aake til 9pm.
Yest, he slept from 12:30 - 13:45. 1hr45. He only fell asleep at 20:45! Way too late for our night routine at home. Seems he likes long A times.
OTHER GENERAL QUESTION: when I read other mum's posts, many don't have a ticker (I dont either) saying how old their DS is. So, if I want to compare notes (age with age), I can't if they refer to their DS without mentioning their age. any tips for me on how to use/understand the forum better then?
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The transition is not cutting straight to 0 nap but slowly moving from 1 to 0. Most mums do this by cutting the length of nap but it can be months from a long nap to no nap. Or some do it but having no nap days overworked few days and naps in between. I also hate waking my boys. I find with k if i put him down earlier he Will wake himself otherwise he may sleep 2 or 2.5hrs then want to be up late. Would your lo sleep Less in the buggy? if there is no ticket or date of birth in the poster's signiture it is hard to compare without asking the age. We were up after 10.2hrs this morning. I Will try to do a 45min nap before playgroup or we Will get a meltdown there
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ok, so I am at the start of this transition is seems. Wow, didnt know it came so early!!! Thought it was at 3 years that they stopped their naps. will keep checking this forum to see what mums are doing.
Tx
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It varies alot. I think low sleep needs lo usually drop earlier. When did you switch to 1 nap? We did at 14m. Some do at 18mo.
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I think DS was also 14 months. I should accept by now he's a low sleep needer!!! but I've always fought it as less sleep means less time for mum's work. :-).
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Good luck Sabs! Didnt realize you start wd two hours before bt!!!
Kath, agree with pp. Just want to add that sometimes something developmental can completely ruin or change sleep patterns, so he might be just at another growth spurt or developmental milestone and then sleep change back to more or less as before it or completely change!! Do go by your instinct as you know your LO best but if all fails, try something new that others have tried and you might be surprised. Sorry that I haven't really said something concrete but that's just how it is.
Mine had much less sleep than yours from 8.5 months and then suddenly from 23mo, he mostly STTN and had 2h nap plus 12h nights! That was when he finally could manage with 1nap and certain A time (he switched to 1 nap at 12 mo!)
Good luck with it and you can always ask.
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low sleep need baby normally drops earlier. DD2 is a lower sleep need baby and I am preparing myself that by 2 she may be fighting naps.
We started an earlier wd b/c I was jus so tired yesterday. LOL. she has been so clingy lately.
She woke up at 5am, couldn't find her favourite teddy. Gave it to her and she went back to sleep until 6:20am. Came into my room so I again waited with her until Mr. Sunshine came out on her clock. I need to work on her waiting by herself.
So that was another 10hr night. Overall with a 1.5hour nap, she did get more sleep.
How come when I cut her nap her nights don't lengthen and why are we stuck on 10hr nights? I guess that is better then a few weeks ago when she was doing just over 9hrs.
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Another nap free day today, that's 2 in a row- he's never done that before! He is however very grouchy, not looking forward to the rest of the day. especially as DS1 has football training tonight so it's a later bedtime for them (8pmish).
I'm taking him to toddler group tomorrow where I'm hoping he'll run around like a crazy thing and tire himself out.
The one advantage of the lack of nap is he seems to be tagging it onto the night sleep- 7.45 am today, whereas before it was anytime from 6am onwards. Poor kid is going to have a shock tomorrow- back to school for DS2 so we need to be up early!
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Great night.
it is now 12:45pm here and she doesn't want to nap. I set up her rest area on the sofa at 12:30pm and she doesn't look tired yet. She layer down for a few minutes, then got up and moved beside me. ::) I am thinking she will crash at 1:30pm, latest 2pm. I want to try a no nap day, but that would mean a 6pm bt and I don't have any confidence that she will give me a nice 12hour+ night and I don't want to wake up at 5am tomorrow. Then again, consmummy, you have seen your los night lengthen with a no nap. I am such a grumpy mommy when my day starts at that time. Hmmm.....maybe if she doesn't fall asleep by 2pm, I will take her outside and keep her busy until 6pm when I will aim for her to sleep.
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My day started at 5am today sabs (with 4mo) so I feel your pain. I remember only too well doing it formonths with K doing 2-1 transition.i wish we had just cut to 1 nap sooner and I might have saved myself months of 5am wu while pg and working FT.
You might be surprised if you do one nap that she tacks on to her nights when she is that little bit more tired. she seems to be Ew anyway, short term pain for long term gain. I plan the EBT for when it is Dh's turn to get up with K (sneaky! - don't tell DH)
Sabs what do you do for Wd for 2hrs? Ours is about 30mins max (Pj's, teeth, books, potty, songs). I am thinking about starting to add in a bath too as it is taking me hrs to get all 3 of us ready in the mornings, but K used to get quite riled up by a bath so am not sure.
We ended up with a 35min nap in bed today and then had to wake him to go playgroup (I always want to add "where I volunteer" or it sounds ridiculous that i wake him for it). I just picked him up and put him in the buggy. He woke straight away but layed in the buggy a while then sat up perfectly happy. I might have to try this again as he is normally a bear to wake. We aimed for 7.30bt but it was 7.50 by the time he slept. He got up at 6.50am. We will see, I am hoping for a post 7am wu at least.
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I hate those wu times. Hugs. I brought her in my bed at 1:40pm, cuddled with her and she fell asleep in seconds. Woke her up one hour later but was an absolute mess. Crying spells, tantrums for a good 30mins. I wonder if I should just lay with her for naps now. I don't know. Anyhow, in bed and asleep by 8pm. I hope that wasn't too late!
As for wd, we normally start 1.5hours before bed. That includes, bath, snacks, some t.v, story time, chat on mommy and daddy's bed, sing songs in her bed.
Are you ladies aiming for a 13hour day with a very short nap?
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If we nap we do 13hr day. Do you want to nap with her? Is dh around for a or is she sleeping? We got a 13hr night so Will do no nap and bt 7pm. Shame i was up 6.25 with 4mo so couldn't sleep in until 8.40. I nearly went in to check he was ok at 7.30 since he did nap yesterday too. Only 35min though.
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Wow. Great night!
I don't want to nap with her as Alyssa is napping from 12-2pm. DH is around but he naps at this time too b/c he works early mornings. Sigh.
She woke briefly at 5am. I brought her back to her room and didn't hear a peep from her until 6:30am. Alyssa was crying, so I am sure this woke her up, in combination with her groclock changing to mr. sunshine. I was in A's room and she comes in her room as I was trying to rock A. ::) ::) ::) I kept whispering for her to go to my room but she didn't want to. After 10mins, she decided to open A's blinds and further wake her up. I could of killed her.
Don't know what to aim for today! Any thoughts?
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Sabs I'm useless at this stuff, what do you think she could handle napwise?
I am PRAYING for a nap from D today, he's shattered. We've been to toddler group this morning so he's had a good run round and he's watching Toy Story 3 on the sofa right now with his lunch, looks like he could flake out any minute!
The other thing is he wont get a nap tomorrow (playgroup starts) and I think 4 days straight with no nap might be too much for him.
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We've gone back to a longer nap as he wasn't tacking and getting seriously sleep deprived. Sleep totals still on the cusp of being decent but mood has greatly improved with longer nap. Yesterday we were out for the day and he actually passed out in his stroller for 30 mins about 10 hrs after waking. But we couldn't do an early bedtime and he did not tack. Sleep total in a 24 hr period was 9.5 hrs. Ouch.
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Ouch indeed, Wendy!
Well, my prayers went unheard, no nap again! I did leave him in bed tho for a good 40-50mins just in case (and I had my exercise dvd to do!) but he just chattered, sang, yelled, etc. He's lying on the sofa now and looks so tired. But I have a feeling he's just going to go cold turkey and the nap is gone. he wont get one tomorrow because of playgroup so that will be 4 days in a row without one. Luckily he is tacking it on to his night sleep a bit so where we used to get 11-11.5hr nights we're now getting 12-13hrs.
What would you do, ladies? Keep offering a nap for a while yet? Or just forget it?
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Oh Wendy! Hugs.
This is a living nightmare isn't it? :'(
Almost 1pm here and she is is putting cream on her legs. i guess it will be another one hour nap day.
Madi used to always work best with a 13hour day but since everything has gone haywire, her days are 13-14hours long.
On a no nap day, is 11.5-12hour day a normal length?
I would keep offering a nap/quiet time for now b/c he may still crash, especially after a playgroup.
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lol sorry what is the cream for? That made me laugh a bit. It is indeed a nightmare...I want to wake up from it...and preferably not at 5:30 a.m.!
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She was bored, so decided to put lotion on her legs.
2:30pm and she is still going strong. trying my best to keep her busy. If she crashes how long to I let her sleep for? 30min? If it is 4pm and she doses off, 20min?
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Nightmare club?? Sigh...
We had a 10h sleep in 24h period yesterday! No nap at daycare yesterday, that is just happening more and more often!!
What do u think ladies, perhaps this isn't about dropping nap but developmental. I and the carer also say that DS is developing so much daily that it might just be too hard to unwind to fall asleep!
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nightmare...yes! :(
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Hi ladies, I hope you don't mind me joining in?! I'm sure that a lot of you already know DS quite well. Not for the right reasons though :P LOL
He is currently on 1 hour nap atm. He STTN last night. I'm hoping for another good night today!
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Hi Grants,
Don't know your story but D was on 1-1.15 at about the same age, he's always been lower sleep needs as well. Hope your transition is smooth!
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Thanks Consmummy. Anything sleep related is never smooth with my
little monkey. How old is your lo? How long is her nap now?
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Welcome to the nightmare Grants. Hooray for STTN. Good luck tonight.
We had no nap today and a 10hr 45 day by the time he slept. He was messing around and asked me to lay with him. He keeps doing this lately. I don't mind laying with him a little but don't want to be/can't be there for ages as I have a 4mo to look after too. I did lay with him and he fell asleep in less than one minute. Sometimes if he is like that I say I am off to go toilet/check his brother etc and will come back and he falls asleep before i go back in. I am hoping with a 7.35pm Bt we will get a 7.30wu at least. FX. I must say I feel like we are getting the balance right lately. TG. I have not been dispairing with him lately.
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4pm ladies and she is still up. do you think 6:30pm is a good bt? She has been up since 6:30am.
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posted at the same time! LOL I am finding that Madi wants me to be beside her too during nap time. I didn't do it today, hence the no nap. Tomorrow, I plan to lay down with her for a little bit.
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Sabs, I would go for a 6.30 BT at the latest, earlier if she's not handling it well.
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I'd do 6. I really think she'll give you at least 11 hrs and then you are no worse off.
I don't think it's just developmental - F has always been ahead on nap transitions, trying to drop his CN at 5 mths and then moving the 2-1 at 9.5 mths. Now this. But I don't think he's ready to cut his nap, but he does emotionally and behaviourally require more night sleep. He just can't figure out how to get it.
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I would do 6 too Sabs. If she ew at 4amafter 10hrs at least it is early enough to get her back down as it will feel early to her you know? 12hrs on no nap would be too much for K. I always find we will get a better night UT than Ot here.
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Hi ladies,
Can I join you? ds is only 21 months, but he's down to 10-10.5 h nights max (due to bt refusal and ew). He's still sleeping 2-2.5 h for nap though. I'm not sure if I have to cup the nap. Last time I did, as we had shorter nights, this did not help at all, and he kept the short nights, resulting more OT. So I don't feel to shorten the nap more than 2 h. But also ds was always early with nap transitions (we started 2-1 at 9 months!), so I suspect that this decrease in sleep is the beginning of 1-0 transition...
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Of course you can join. Misery loves company. LOL.
That is more sleep than we had atthat age in the day Barbara. If you cut the nap do you put him to bed early? My DS will tack on with EBT but not in the mornings. I would cut to 1.5hrs. What is your current routine? BT/WU/nap time etc???
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She is amazingly doing well. Bt will be 6:30pm. I really hope she gives me a decent night. I don't want an ew tomorrow.
pray for me ladies, please.
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praying for you sabs - good luck!
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Thank you Khalam's Mama! Our routine needs to find a little stability now, as we have recently started nursery after summer holidays. Also, we usually prefer to have a later bt, because DH and I are not morning persons at all, and we come back late from work (around 6.30-7 pm) so we like to have dinner with DS and spend some time with him. ATM our routine is:
WU: 7-7.30 am (before it used to be 7.30-8, which worked well for us, as I aim to 8 am wu)
nap: 2.15-4.15 pm
BT: 9 pm
Now: to move bt earlier I need to do an earlier nap, but I can't because he comes out from nursery at 1.30 and when he arrives home it's at least 2. Then he recently started to fight sleeping a little (not really much but he calls few times), so in the end he did not sleep before 2.15. Nap used to start at 1.45 pm during holiday. In addition, he's starting to fight bt also calling for us, and the last two nights he did not actually fall asleep before 9.30 pm. I don't know if this calling us at bt is actually UT (there is no so much A time from nap to bt) or it is a starting nursery-related thing. If it is UT, an earlier bt would make things worst. Anyway, I can try to shorten the nap and see what happens... Even if I am a little afraid to do this because he seems to really need that nap.
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Hi Grants, I have a little boy, the youngest of 2 and he'll be 27mths at the weekend. His nap used to be between 1hr and 1hr15, from about 1pm.
Sabs, how did the night go?
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Barbara, what if you capped the nap to 1.5hours?
OMG ladies, we got a 12hour night. she woke up at 6:30am, on the dot. :o :o So now, what do I do today?
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Well done Sabs! So the early bed worked well. Try another no nap and same bt??
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I'll try to cap it at 1.5 h. But I will wait that he's adjusted to the new nursery routine, otherwise I am afraid it is too much for him, especially if he becomes OT.
BTW Sabs, you really had a great night!!! I also would not change the no nap routine for now, until it works.
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Wow!! Great news Sabs!! :) I would also try to keep the same routine for a while if it's possible.
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I just don't know how to do this. Keep offering a nap every day and if she doesn't sleep do an early bt, or try to keep her up? Won't it just eventually catch up?
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TBH I think most Los can't just cut the nap cold turkey. Perhaps offer a nap every other day. She will probably be really tired anyway after a few days without a nap.
I have a rant about nap dropping... How on earth non-BWers do this??????? How do they managed their day when their Los are cutting the nap ? I have never heard anybody who is a non-BWer complain about nap dropping? Are they all lying to me saying that their Los have no problem with sleep and/or nap dropping?
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Yes I do think it will eventually catch up. But it's part of the transition really. If you feel good enough about it just plow through it. But I think in this case it's likely going to be an alternating nap or nap every few days when her nights start to shave again.
(((hugs))) But wow what a great night! I knew Madi wouldn't let me down, atta girl!
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let me get this straight. Do i offer one today or tomorrow or wait until her nights get shorter again. God this is confusing. I think she can go today without a nap, but am not sure if I should just leave it up to her to decide. I do enforce quiet time on the sofa.
ATM, she is wrapped in her blankie on the floor. I know she is a strange girl.
The funny thing is was up since 5am waiting for her to wake up. I couldn't go back to sleep. sigh.
About the rant. I totally agree. I don't ever hear other moms talking about it and when I do hear about it, they make is seem it was/is a breeze. ::) ::)
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I think you wait until she is shortening her nights. So last night was 12 hrs, probably enough to carry her through another day. But as the wake ups creep earlier, so 11.75, then 11.5 then 11 and backwards, you will likely need to offer a nap on those days.
I'm sure those other people just had seriously tired and cranky kids and lived with it. They didn't know there was a gentler, kinder way to do it. Or they have kids that don't have tricky sleep needs.
Case in point, I was out recently with a kid just turned 3 and kid's parents. We'll call him G. So G and F and all of us went to a large park/playground. G was melting down and losing his mind on no nap because he hadn't napped for a few days. Turns out they had been letting him nap and then he wouldn't go to sleep until 10 at night and then sleep until 7 only. He was getting seriously OT. But they thought that just not letting him nap was the solution. So we walked home with a screaming 3yo and F just happily in his stroller (F didn't have a nap that day either, his was in the car on the way home). So yeah, I think sometimes these 'other people' aren't always telling the truth or they really just don't know what else to do.
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thanks Wendy.
Oh boy! That must of been a fulfilled afternoon.
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It was BRUTAL lol We went to High Park and G brought his bike and he wanted to ride it and the handle fell off and it was all a big mess and they had to take turns carrying him screaming. And then they were arguing over whether he should have had a nap or not lol And my friend was like 'Well Finn hasn't had a nap and he's fine!' and there was F just humming in his stroller eating his snack saying 'why is G crying' lol And I'm thinking 'yes F is fine because his sleep is top priority for us' but it's not the same for everyone.
Mind you G is also the same kid who passed out on a picnic table in the middle of a patio with live music and also falls asleep in the bike seat. So you know, I don't feel that sorry for them lol
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G was probably so exhausted with short nights and no naps that he took any opportunity to have a nap. Lol
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OMG Wendy! Poor kid. I feel bad for him but at the same time I had a little laugh.
How is Finn doing?
Grants, how's it going?
Well ladies, she fell asleep on the sofa at 12:45pm. I swear she did not look tired. Should I have kept her busy? It was during her rest time.
I have no idea how long to let her sleep. I was thinking of waking her up at 2pm followed by an 8pm bt. What do you think?
I hate the fact that bt is no longer at the same time. Now we have two bed times. It makes it really difficult to plan things in the afternoons. YKWIM?
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Finn is driving me nuts by waking before 6 a.m. But with the longer nap he's in a much better mood. He's a dream. His sleep totals are better 11-12 overall with a longer nap and short night. But I suspect it's going to bite us in the a$$ very soon.
Sabs, it's hard to say. I honestly don't know. I'd probably let her sleep and see what she does. If she's going to take a longer nap then do a later bedtime. I probably wouldn't wake her just because she's had no nap yesterday and she's likely so so tired.
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I agree with Wendy! When I speak to other parents (not BW parents) I find that they simply go with the flow, generally putting the kids to bed much later (10-11 pm) and considering a good night a night with 8-9 h of sleep. Many parents that I know go out with their kids in the night, till 11 pm every day during holiday. So, of course, with 8-9 h night, the 1-0 transition occurs later, when the kid can easily handle it. But in the mean time they live with an OT kid. I found that their kids are usually more flexible about the routines, but they are always OT
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At least Finn is in better moods. Do you think if you shift his nap and bt later, he will at least wu a little later? On weekends, are you guys still doing shorter naps as you are out n'about?
I know when Madi naps, our nights are 10hrs max. This just really sucks, doesn't it?
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But I suspect it's going to bite us in the a$$ very soon.
^^^ This.
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Well yesterday he napped from 12:30 - 2:45 and we put him to bed at 8. He was pleasant as pie all evening and we had a great time. But he then woke before 6. So yeah as his nights get shorter, he is just going to crumble. A later bedtime isn't meaning a later wake up in this case. Don't know. *sigh* Waiting for that a$$ bite.
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oh Wendy. I wish I had the answer. :'( :'(
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well she woke up at the one hour mark on her own.
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Thanks for asking Sabs :) Things are going from bad to worse over this side :( nothing ever change. I'm still looking for the answer . I'm hoping that when I find the answer DS will turn into a high sleep needs child. Lol
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Oh forgot to say that yeah, we're doing short or no nap if we go out on weekends. He cannot seem to manage himself beyond 10 hrs though, he gets tired at his usual 6-7 then has a second wind if we keep him busy but then by 10 hrs awake he's really asking for sleep. At the air show on Sunday he wanted in his stroller and wanted to be held and was incredibly tired by 10 hrs awake. He crashed in his stroller for 30 mins, and this is not a stroller sleeper. So it means we have to be careful and catch up his sleep if we do a no nap or short nap day. Which is what yesterday's long nap was about.
Sabs I think I'd probably do a 7 pm bedtime. Not a lot later than yesterday.
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Wendy, perhaps F is now getting into the phase DS did at 23mo! Suddenly loved sleep and did great as long as I kept the Bt on the dot!!
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We did no nap again today and K went to bed at 7pm from a 7.20wu. He asked me to lay with him again and was out in the minute I agreed to stay. He had a bit of a meltdown on the way home from pg at 2.45 but soon got over it once he ate at home since he missed lunch there as was too distracted to eat.
Sabs, glad you finally got a no nap day and then EBT helped her tack on to that night. 12hrs is fab. I find we can do 2 no nap days in a row but anymore and we start to get shorter and shorter nights.
Wendy if K had had that long nap until 2.45pm I would have had to do an 8.30 Bt for sure. With UT though K is more likely to refuse BT than EW. EW is always OT for us.
I also have friends who don't seem worried about sleep and don't make the connection that the behaviour is OT. My neice (from SIL) is 8weeks older than K and my SIL was telling me how she still takes 2 naps and I was surprised as she is 28mo, but then she said she sleeps 11pm-7am o/n. She is often OT too.
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Forgot to add ours. 9h30 night! I am dying... I suspect the nightlight is causing this! Took it away and he was fine!!!! Not scared anymore! But due to the EW, the whole day turned out to be super long!! We managed to get another long nap in him, so we will see.
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This evening, after a (late) 2h nap (and 10h night) he had a little meltdown (easily sorted out, fortunately) as he didn't want to go out from the tub. Meaning tired to me... He went down easily at bt, without calling for me. Hoping he catches up tonight...
Yesterday I stopped using the blue light and substituted with a very light white one. It was almost dark in his room. Although he slept only 10 h, I felt he slept better with less turning and tossing...We'll see tonight.
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Well bt was not 7pm. Sigh. 8pm. I was lying down with her and she kept singing, playing with her teddy and blankie. ::) ::) I am expecting a 10hr night. I am really confused on how to do this b/c on a no nap day her night lengthen, then when she naps, her nights are short. Does this make sense?
I know i have asked this before, but can you ladies post your los routine on a nap and no nap day?
Wendy, lets hope he self regulates fast.
Grants, it will end my dear.
Koe, I hope the nightlight is your answer. Fingers crossed for you.
hope you ladies have a decent night.
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Wendy if K had had that long nap until 2.45pm I would have had to do an 8.30 Bt for sure. With UT though K is more likely to refuse BT than EW. EW is always OT for us.
Well the weird thing about F is that he's always had an early sleep phase and so he will pretty much go to bed and go to sleep no matter when we put him down. That said, there was a brief period about a couple of months ago when I was going nuts because he was fighting bedtime, it was brutal, I even had to record it and post it on a thread here so that I could get some advice on what the heck to do. But since then he goes to bed without issue whether it's at 6:30 or 8. EW I have no idea but I'd guess some of it is OT and some of it is related to his lack of sleep drive.
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Tonight we had a 10.45 h. Not bad. And he was really calm during the night. I think he woke at 6 and moved a little but then felt asleep again and called almost 2 h later. I really start to believe that light change was very worth.
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9.5 night is also the norm here Koe, plus throw in the NWs and EWs every single night :(. Last night was another 9.5 night with 1 hour nap. A mere total of 10.5. I'm letting him nap as much as he likes today. Neighbours are refurbishing the house so we have loads of noise ATM I just hope it doesn't disturb M.
Tbh I don't even think he is dropping the nap. I think he might have some kind of sleep disorder. The way he carries on it's not normal at all :(
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Afternoon ladies,
I think today is going to be fun here as D was awake at 6am with a nasty cough. Went and got him at 6.30. he was almost falling asleep in the car this morning, so maybe, just maybe he'll nap today. If not I fear it'll be meltdown time by this evening!
If he doesn't nap within the next 2-3 days I think I may not bother offering it. if he's gone a week with no nap then can I say that it's probably gone for good? (bar the odd nodding off in the car or sofa, of course, but no more structured nap?)
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Grants, if he naps long, will he still do a short night? I remember you said you were going to bring him to the doc.
Ladies, I don't know what happened last night. She briefly woke at 2am, came into my room so I brought her back. 4am Alyssa had a nw then I think it was 5am, she came into my room agin. I don't remember picking her up, but I found her in my bed at 7am sleeping. I know WEndy, put that gate up. I feel so bad locking her in her room. Why does this girl come into my room at this time. I guess if A didn't have the nw, I probably would of been more aware of what was going on.
Other then that, she did do an 11hr night.
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Grants, if he naps long, will he still do a short night? I remember you said you were going to bring him to the doc.
Yep! short nights no matter what as he never really wakes up past 6am.
Yay for 11hr night! :) I think I would feel bad locking DS in his room as well :(
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Have you talked about his sleep issues to his doc.
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And see as a parent who also needs her sleep I don't feel the least bit bad. You are not doing it to be punitive or mean. You are teaching your child that we can't wander around at night or early morning and disturb other people's sleep. It's part of being a cooperative family. I do get why it's hard, but I also think chronic sleep deprivation is actually a lot harder on you all. You are not 'locking her in' - it's about social boundaries and rules around sleep!
Well things are very weird here, the long nap is helping. Still a 10-10.5 hr night but it's a lot better actually. We'll see.
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I have booked an appointment for him on the 23rd. In the meanwhile we are going to try fixing the only bad habit he has at the moment, not wanting to fall asleep by himself at BT.
Yes Wendy, I think/know you are right . Its just one if those things. Mothers' guilt I guess. Great to hear that the long naps are still working ! :)
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Now i know I'll probably jinx this by saying so, but D has not napped and seems fine. I actually think he's gone and done cold turkey on this nap all by himself! I tried to get him to nap, specially as I've not been well today, but he simply didn't want to. Let me sleep while he watched a dvd tho, bless him.
Grants, good on you for seeking out help. I honestly think so many people suffer in silence over this, wont admit that 2-3 years on they're still sleep deprived. but it's a very real problem and I really hope you get the help (and sleep!) you all need xx
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Grant, fingers crossed for you.
Wendy, i know you are right. I keep telling her about the rules but it that mother's guilt that taunts me. Sigh. One step forward and two steps back.
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So ladies she fell asleep again at 1pm today on the sofa. I thought for sure she was not going to nap today but I think it is b/c it is so gloomy today. I think I am going to do one hour again.
I have come to the conclusion that she needs at least 12hours of sleep in a 24hour period, especially for good behaviour.
Wendy, keeping my fingers crossed.
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Hugs, Grants! I know the feeling, we had that and we had 8h30 last night!!! I don't function at all today. We managed to put him down really early! 7:30, he is chatting away. I think he is going through another GS! Brain going super fast, talking nonstop and not eating much!!! I shouldnt even be here, I should go to bed.
11h night is good!! Vibes to all
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Oh boy! Alyssa woke her up at the one hour mark and she just freaked out. I mean freaked out!!! ::) Kicking the sofa, shouting and crying. hey, I didn't tell her to nap on the sofa.
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Oh ladies, just wondering if u hd experience with this. I removed the nightlight and DS woke at 5:30 screaming for his light and I remnded him that the light was waking him p too early. This evening, his mind was too active chatting away, telling things he did yesterday and the day before and then he wanted me to rub his back and then was sounding like his SA a few weeks back again!! Can he really have fear of darkness? He has been waking up earlier and earlier since we started with the nightlight!!
He was definitely OT last night but he was waking an hour earlier each morning in the last three mornings, so 7-ish, 6-ish and 5-ish!! Naps were roughly the same! What is this???
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Sorry I think I missed something but you took away his light? What made you do that in the first place? Did you think he was waking early because of it? What about putting it on a timer?
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hey, I didn't tell her to nap on the sofa.
LOL that's really funny
It's the kind of thing we say to Finn 'well we didn't tell you not to go back to sleep when you wake at 9 hrs' lol
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Sorry... Yes I took it away because I think when he transitions to last sleep cycle, he sees the light and just gets wide awake and starts crying. If he has slept enough, he wakes happy. I tried getting him back to sleep and I couldn't tell him it's dark, it's sleepy time anymore because there is light! We have an alarm clock with light and that's his groclock equivalent.
We gave him the night light about three weeks ago as he said he was scared of the darkness. This evening, he was happily chatting away in the dark for about 30-40 mins, then it got too much and wanted me to rub his back, hold his hand, etc. It's like how it all started during last GS which ended only about 4-5 weeks ago!!!
Also it's almost autumn weather now and he might be stirred by the cold. I just don't know. I went to check him at 5:30 and the blanket was still on him so he slept much better last night coz he couldn't see that there was a blanket (previous nights, it was always kicked off).
I know it sounds like there are too many factors. That's why I lost. My brain doesn't work!!
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Koe could you give him a torch that he can turn on himself if he wakes but that you could turn off after he is asleep if he has fear? I know my neice is better in a dark room than one with a bit of light because she sees the shadows and gets scared.
I hate when they wake when they are not ready and are upset by it.
K gets up earlier and earlier like that when he is getting OT from too many no nap days. When we get an EW I use that as an oppotunity to do a nap day and catch up and just make sure the nap is early.
Sabs out routine is this:
no nap day:
wu 7.30 or after
Bt 6.30-7pm
nap day:
wake up 7 or earlier
nap from 11-12 for 1.5hrs
Bt 8pm
As long as we do not nap more than 1.5hrs or after 2pm we can keep a BT of 8pm.
K woke at 6.40 this morning, napped 12-1.30 and was asleep by 8.55pm. I actually let him get OT by letting him stay up with his cousin who was here with my sister but this did mean he took 25mins to sleep (was in bed 8.30pm). I have a feeling he may EW tomorrow because of this. Silly Mama!
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Koe, Martina suggested the below turtle. Do you think that may help him with the darkness? It has a timer. I am going to get one for Madi.
http://cloudb.com/ssandf/turtle.html
Is he going through any SA during the day?
thanks for the routine. That does help.
We can never win with these los. Fingers crossed for tonight.
Madi was just a complete mess for a good 20min after her one hour nap. She then perked up and was fine. BT was 8pm. Lets hope she stays in her bed until Mr. Sunshine comes on. For some reason she will not stay in her room until it comes on.
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Right now we are getting more overall sleep.
So:
Awake 6ish (sometimes before)
Nap 12:30-2:30/3
Bedtime asleep by 8ish
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Dec ended up crashing in the pushchair on the school run yesterday. I KNEW he needed a nap but he just wouldn't have one at home. So let him have a quick 15-20 mins CN to keep him going till bedtime. Today is nursery so who knows what will happen. I suspect he'll have a nap there, typical!
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KM and Sabs. The problem is that when he wakes and doesnt see the light, he cries for it but it only happens early in the morning! Grrrrr. So it won't work if the light turns itself off. And I know that if I set the timer to turn it on in the morning, he will wake up crying and point to the light (from the alarm) and complains that it wakes him! Hmm maybe we can't win this. :(
We chickened and dH really wanted me to put the nightlight back as he felt how scared DS was when he told him he was scared of the darkness. I placed very thick paper on the light which dimmed it but he woke up 6:40. AND I did put a very thick blanket on him before I went to bed.
Another thing I noticed is that while we are doing stories, he is very tired, rubbing eyes but once we put him in his bed, he gets a second wind!! He was full of stories to tell, etc but it can also be developmental. I am just down that this is still going on and our lives are still all about his (and ours) sleep.
I am sure you all agree, this SUCKS!!!
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(((((Hugs Koe))))) it really sucks! :( I'm really down with all the sleep issues . I have been crying this morning. I just have had enough so I totally get what you are saying. Xxx
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He can press the turtle and it lights up again. I know how frustrated you must be. It has to be developmental. That is what I keep telling myself. :'( Just think, I get to do it all over again with number two. :'(
I do agree, this really sucks and it just affects our moods as mothers.
Grants, you us to lean on. It will get better. Keep telling yourself that. Remember, we will be dragging our kids butts out of bed on day. I know it seems far from now, but we will get there.
Wendy, I am so glad that he is getting more sleep. Great job Finn. Keep it up.
Consmummy, it is funny how they think they don't need sleep but really do. What time was bt after that cn?
I don't know what is going on with Madi but she has napped over the last three days and has slept until 7am. :-X Asleep last night by 8pm. woke up at 4:30am, came to my room, brought her back and tucked her in. Didn't hear her until 6:50am when she came running into my room. Guess what, Mr. Sunshine was on then. I praised her so much this morning. I really hope these months of hell are coming to an end. Wishful thinking!!! I am going to continue with the one hour nap if she wants it or do a 12hour day with no nap.
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Yes we are in some very unchartered territory. Yesterday he woke at around 6:40, nap 12:35-2:45 (she wakes him when the other kids wake up) and asleep by 8:15. He woke at 6:30 this morning. It means we have little time in the evening but hey, he's a happy agreeable fun kid when he's well-slept. The difference is huge!
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So happy for you Wendy. :-*
It looks like she is not going to nap today. She looked tired, yawned a few times but she didn't' want to lie down during quiet time on the sofa. I even asked her if she wanted me to lie with her and she said no. I think she was getting bored b/c after 30mins into her quiet time she was having little tantrums and was whining. I thought it was tiredness but if she was tired, she would just roll over and go to sleep. Now she took some hand sanitizer and is clanging her teddy.her imagination is funny sometimes. If she crashes after, do I just cap it to 30min with the same bt? I doubt she will fall asleep now. I am sure her second wind is about to hit.
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forgot to mention, she has the runs today. WE were at indigo yesterday afternoon. Every time we go to indigo she gets something.
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Oh Sabs!! Hugs... Maybe it won't be as bad for dd2!! Gosh we are such a bunch of realists! (DH would have said pessimists!) what is Indigo?
Wendy, maybe F is really like DS and now finally can sleep longer!!! Hehe
DS had 10h night, but he was a mess and refused bath!!! Still took forever to get him to bed but he said he was tired and didn't want bath!!! He napped 1h45!!! I really hope he isn't coming down with something as his best friend was also falling asleep in the pram going home!!! It will be a 14h10 day!!! I hate these days!!!
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Sabs, he went to bed as normal yesterday, but I did only let him have 15-20 tops, and he must have been tired, this being his first nap free week. Nursery he laid down for a while but didn't sleep. Bless, he does look soooo tired by the end of the day!
How did you get on, Sabs? Did she crash? If she did I'd have said go for what I did, really short nap (D did NOT want to wake the other day!). Hope she went to bed OK for you.
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Great you are getting some good night sabs. I broke my rule of no sleeping after 2pm and wasted my whole evening getting k to bed. 2X he woke his brother so i was standing in the hall and in and out both the rooms. And it was my anniversary! I'm sure this boy knows when i have something in mind. He also cried for 10mins this morning until Mr sun came on even though i stayed with him. And so he woke his brother. I am looking forward to moving b out of my room but how do i move him in with k? Ah well tomorrow is another day!
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Koe, Indigo is a book store here. I hope he isn't coming down with something.
K, happy anniversary. Sorry that it wasn't too enjoyable. By the end of the day I am just darned, absolutely drained.
She didn't end up napping. As soon as her sister woke up, we went outside for a while, came back in and had dinner. We then went to a neighbours house and she was in such good spirits there. She was being a little difficult going to bed. She didn't fall asleep as quickly as she did the other day. We started wd at 5:30pm and she was asleep by 6:50pm. The last 15min was in her bed with me singing some songs to her. She kept sitting up to play with her flashlight. I had to remind her to lay back down. Sigh. We aimed for a 12hour day. Please, God let her sleep!
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Hope it was a decent night, Sabs.
KM, happy anniversary!
Well D woke at 6.30 again, so for the last 3 nights we've been back to 11 hour nights and no nap. I'm hoping it's just him being a bit under the weather thats causing this because he's getting really tired and whingy. When he first started dropping the nap he was going till 7-7.30 which seemed to work great for him.
He didn't nap at nursery yesterday so today I'm just not going to bother, I don't think he'd even let me put him down upstairs now. Might suggest the boys choose a dvd to get some quiet time in the middle of the day.
DH is quite glad the nap is gone as it makes it easier for him when he has the pair of them! I've got a busy few weeks coming up so he's going to be taking over childcare here and there. So I think he's relieved that he doesn't have the nap to factor in as well!
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We did get an 11hr night last night after the late nap and bt marathon as he slept until 8am nearly from 9pm nearly. I guess we Will do no nap today. C's mom, i find we only manage 11hr day on no nap else we get ot and the wakes get earlier each day. I would try putting him to bed early if he doesn't nap and is getting cranky.
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we too got a 11hr night after a 12hour day. The first time we tried it it worked great but yesterday, not sure what happened. She had a quick nw at 10:30pm and I heard her scream in her sleep at 4am. She officially got out at 6am on the dot. I had to wait with her in her room until Mr. Sunshine came on. During this time she was looking at her book with her flashlight.
do you ladies suspect OT here? Wonder for the next time, should i aim for a 11.5hour day?
C'onsmummy, we do quiet time on the sofa. She will not go in her room now for nap time.
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one more thing, if she naps today( i think she will) do I do one hour or 1hr and 15min?
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M is older but k can only manage 11hr days with no nap and to be honest that is only on a good nights sleep the day before. 11.5 would be too long for us. I find at this age cutting to 1hr15 isn't much better than 1hr30 so i would do an hr and earlier bt personally. K is looking tired around 2pm but i know he Will struggle at bt if he naps now. I Will do 6.30bt i think. He has a cough and cold so i need to be careful to avoid ot.
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I am stuck ladies. She had a complete meltdown from 10-10:30am. Crying, crying and crying, wanting me to pick her up. She looks really tired. She perked up now as she is playing with her sister and I told her we were going to have a picnic. I am stumped on what length to do. One hour with her usual 8pm bt or let her sleep for 1.5hours and do an 8:30pm bt.
K, I know you say one hour. if she falls asleep closer to 1pm, then I can do that, but if it is earlier, it will be a problem as we have a birthday party to go to later.
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fell asleep at 12:15pm. She is so tired. I think she still needs to get used to having no nap days and 1hr naps. OT here yet again.
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Hi ladies, I just wanted to say thank you for your kind words and support :-*
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Hope you get some answers g. Does he have any symptom like snoring or breathing irregularly? Sabs i would give her 1.5 if ot just meant 1.15 may not be any different than 1.5 if you are cutting. We ended up babysitter for my sister's kids so k was asleep by 7.30 but went down ok. Hope he does at least 12hrs.
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No signs whatsoever. He doesn't even sleep with his mouth open????? Hope we all have a good night tonight ;) xx
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Grants, we are here for you sweetie. Hugs. fingers crossed for a decent night.
Let me get this straight, you have tried long nap with a later bt/shorter nap with an earlier bt?
Ladies, I woke her up at 1:30pm. Of course for 20min she was cranky. Sigh. in bed and asleep just past 8pm.
Wish me a decent night ladies. I am finding the toddler years far more difficult then the infant years. I hear from many people that 3 is a challenging year. :'(
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Sabs, you're right. I found 3-4 really tough going. A friend of mine named them 'Threenagers' and she's so right!
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:'( :'( :'( :'(
I hope 3-4 goes by fast.
we got a 9hr and 50min night. Sigh. What is wrong with this chickie? Did that extra 15min for her nap really cut her night down?
Woke up at 6am. I had to wait with her until Mr. Sunshine came on and during the entire time she was playing in her bed.
This is going to be a fun morning!
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Hi ladies,
DS is now at 10.5 h night and 2 h nap. I think that it is working quite well and that it's a good compromise for us. He seems fine with that, he's generally happy with this sleep. I am a little bit concerned by the fact that those seem to be relatively short nights, as they should ideally be longer at 21 months (even if I must say that DS sleep has been always on the lower side, even more than now). Probably I should try to cap the nap at 1.5 h and see if nights become longer, but I'm afraid to change an equilibrium that he's working for us and introduce OT... When he sleeps less than 2 hours, he's very cranky in the evening and prone to tantrum. What do you think?
Consmummy, I can't believe that harder years have to come and that 3-4 is worse than 2! I'm scared! :o
Sabs, I find toddler years quite difficult, but ... if I go back to the early days, when we did not have an entire night, we had multiple, and sometime very long, NWs, and during the day DS did not sleep after the 45 min mark when he napped... no, I prefer living in toddlerhood! ;)
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After getting up 6.30 this morning k didn't nap in the buggy at 12 like i horde even though we walked 50mins. So he did 12hr 20 day but was asleep ok by 6.50pm. I really hope he does 13hrs as we have playgroup tomorrow so no good time to nap.
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OK, I wont say a word on here about years 5 and 6 then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, it's not that bad, just different challenges, they like to keep us on our toes!
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they do like to keep us on our toes.
Good luck K.
I gave Madi another 1hr and 15min nap and put her down for bed at 8pm. Wishing for a 10.5hour night. PLEASE!!!
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Sorry ladies for MIA! I have been ill plus EWs.
Here things are ridiculous at the moment. We had an 1h crying and screaming fit last night from 2-3! This morning was horrendous. Tantrums, meltdowns, you name it. DS is angry at mama and papa. ::) I asked if he was scared, last night. He just kept pushing me away. Dressing is always crazy here. We had to force trousers on him and he kicked so hard.
I want to give up!! I know I can't and I shouldnt but I confess the thought has crossed my mind. Finally convinced DH to also discipline, it's not just my job to set and keep boundaries but for some reasons, DH was just on a different page until me breaking down the last two days!! Did I just turn this to a couch post?? :( sorry
I left daycare crying. Why is everything so hard? Why can't I be another cool mom with a child under my arm and keeping life normal???
Sorry for the long post.
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Koe, this is all normal! Don't think that all those other moms have it easy. They may look like they are not struggling but I am sure they are.
Cry away. I am crying right there with you.
Our nights are getting shorter again. last night was 9hrs and 50min. Is it b/c of the nap? I don't know what to do anymore. Let her sleep for 1.5hours today and do a later bt. That would mean her day will be close to 15hours.
When she woke up she refused to wait for the clock. Started kicking me and moaning. I kept telling her that I she has to wait for Mr. Sunshine and she kept saying no and telling me not to go to sleep. WTF!! She has already started with her demands this morning and I know she is doing this b/c she didn't get a long enough night.
What do you ladies think? 1.5hour nap today?
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Sorry for MIA as well. I had been super busy with DS's birthday party etc.... (((Hugs Koe))) I hope you can have some rest today.
I had a 5am wake up today and lots of crying for not wanting to wait for the clock at 5:45am. ::)
Sabs. I'm having the same problem today. I'm letting him nap a bit longer for my own sake. I need a break and its early enough for him to have a long A time before BT.
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Bad day here too! Dec is sooo tired, yawning his head off all morning, almost fell alseep on the way hom from the shops but will he go for a nap? Nope. It's much better to be an OT mess, apparently. He'd be so much better if he napped every few days but he just wont do it, if i take him up he just lies there chattering and messing about, wont sleep.
He's having some chill out time with Toy Story at the moment and we have to go out in the car again soon, so maybe he might drop off for a few mins. Hopefully in the next few weeks he'll gradually get used to no nap and get through the day better.
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this girl is just refusing to nap so far. I even asked her if she wanted me to lay down with her. I am so annoyed right now. I have a pounding headache and don't want to deal with this. I am hoping she will fall asleep by 1pm today. God, give me strength and patience.
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many hugs sabs - hope she slept for you.
Koe - honey I could have written your post today. Henry was so awful to me this am shouting and being so stroppy. Dropped him off at nursery and he did not want me to go and had to be taken by one of the teachers and I too left thinking what on earth am I doing so wrong....that and a short napping 3 month old did not make for a good morning.
We now have quiet time from 1-2pm in his room and if he has not napped for 2 days in a row on the 3rd day I do a drive and he sleeps that way. Not ideal but the best I can do atm.
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sorry you all are having a hard time. We have done no nap last 2 days and he is really tired but he has done 12hr nights at least and not much resistance at bt. He asks me to stay with him but i say i Will check in after doing x and he is asleep in a minute or 2. I tried to ap a nap but he didn't fall asleep in the buggy so he stayed up. I have a feeling he Wil ew but i have been wrong with my predictions lately so hopefully he Will prove me wrong. I am giving him a cot nap tomorrow though for sure.
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Just to say goog luck to everybody with the sleep.
Being mum is hard and tiring we all know that and we all have bad times. But when these have passed, the joy pays for everything! So, let's try to rest when we can and let's try not to feel guilty. I know it's difficult...
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I think they like to sleep by 10yo...
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Thanks all for your hugs and kind words!! He was the first to fall sleep at daycare, for a change, and even with a nap, they told me that he was crying for nothing because he's just tired!! Put him down at 8 and took him forever to fall asleep, crying, calling me to stay with him, etc. So with the nap, his whole day is only 10h30! He did wake up at 8:15. Not sure if this late wu would shift the whole thing a bit and let him catch up!
KM read on probably raising boys that teenagers do sleep because hormones get them to not be able to go to sleep early, hence not be able to get up early to school. So some sensible schools implement slightly later time for higher grade students and everyone got happier! I would certainly be happier if I got more sleep.
Sleepy vibes for all
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thanks for that Barbara.
Madi, did nap at 1:19pm. I woke her up one hour later and aimed for an 8pm bt. she began stalling here and got out once, so UT for sure. Grrr.
I think it is best if she just doesn't nap or does a short 20min nap.
I know for some, bt stays the same when you cap the nap to 30/45mins-waht do you ladies do?
Sometimes I think it is best to just not nap but I need to shift her wu time back to 7am.
hope all your los sleep for you tonight.
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9.5 h night :-( grrrrrr
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Sorry to hear that Barbara :(
I hope that most of you had a good night. X
Ladies, does any of you happen to know what is the total sleep in 24 hours ( including the nap) for a low sleep need child and for an average sleep needs child at around 2 YO?
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My fever is higher this morning and I was just in bed until now.
DS sttn, 10h only. But he and I both slept through a raid right beneath us and the police made an arrest!!! I love my earplugs!!! I hope that those jerks are the ones who broke into ours back in April!!! I woke up because DH got up to check what was going on and that woke me at 5 ::) and with the fever and chill, I have just been shivering for hours! :(
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Grants, I wish I knew. Madison was always a higher sleep need girl and when she was 2 she was averaging 13-13.5hours in a 24hour period. Alyssa seems to be on the lower side and she is just over one and is averaging 13hours now. ??? ???
We got a 9.5hour night!! ??? ??? ??? She came into my room at 5:30am, so I just put in her my bed and she fell back asleep around 6am. She woke up at 7am b/c I was trying to get out of bed. I am so ticked off b/c I don't have the energy to tackle this coming to my bed thing right now. Normally she doesn't fall asleep but this morning she did. What would you do ladies?
Koe, I hope you feel better.
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Grants, this is what I know about the average sleep needing:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=85137.0
So, for 2yo, it's 13 h in total.
I suppose that for a low sleep need lo, it should be a little less, but I don't know how much. DS always slept less that what is written here, we've never had 12 h nights (we usually had 10.5-11), and before 2-1 transition naps were shorter than 1.5 h, so I've always though he was low sleep need. It's difficult to quantify anyway.
Koe, I hope you feel better soon.
Sabs, I'm sorry for your short night.
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Thanks for the link Barbara :) OMG my DS only does 11 hours in 24 hours!!!! :o :o :o This is really low! There is nothing I can do about it though I have tried so hard to offer more sleep but he doesn't take it.
Koe, I'm so sorry to hear you are not well. Sending healing vibes your way~~~~
Sabs, this coming into your bed scenario really suck! I know that the right thing to do it's to be really firm with her about it, taking her back to her bed as many times as its necessary until she gets the message, but I know that its not easy to do that especially at early hours . It's easier said then done :(
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I'm lazy so i would take the extra sleep where you can Sabs. If you get a good routine out of it hopefully she Will stop the ew. We got an ew here at 10hrs20 so 5.50am. I kept him in bed until 6.30 but he woke his brother so then he was shouting and disturbed him going back to sleep so i just turned the sun on and got them up. K was napping by 11.15 and Will let him have 2hrs since it is so early. It is so hard with 2 as they keep waking each other. We only have 2 rooms so they have to be next door from each other.
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EW here too, 5.40am. But he is full of a cold so that explans it. We also had a later night last night as DS1 was out at Beavers so 8pm bedtime. I've just forced a nap by going for a drive with D, not done that since he was tiny! But I knew I had to do it, he'd be a mess later if I didn't. Slept for a good 40-45 mins.
Re sleep needs, DS1 was always high needs and slept more than the guidelines, DS2 is low and has always slept less.
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After reading several posts about toddler sleeping, I am starting to think the following: are we really sure that these kid need what they are supposed to need? Do they really need a 11.5 h night, as it is written in the guidelines? Or is this something that we have to aim to, but not the real life?? ???
How many kids do you know that usually sleep 12h nights? I don't know many.
When I tell other people that DS STTN 9 pm - 7 am (or even 9.30 pm - 7 am), everybody says that I can't complain. OK, they are not BW mums, and maybe their kids are more tired than F, BUT... do we have too high expectations? ::)
Sorry to bother with this, but I had this in my mind and I wanted to share :)
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Consmummy I hope you DS feels better soon. You did the right thing IMO. When they are sick there isn't much we can do.
Barbara, I do think that kids could do with more sleep and most of people don't realise this. I also think that the guidelines are a bit high especially when my DS never ever followed those guidelines and I have worked my a** off to offer him more sleep. One of my main mistakes and still is it's to expect more sleep from him. I still struggle with the high expections with sleep. I suspect that people who don't have problems with their Los' sleep won't post on the sleep board so I guess we only hear from the ones who don't get much sleep ? Either way I'm there with you. I also think we might have high expectations regards sleep. I mean, I can only speak for myself and I think I have high expectations especially because DS is really happy with so 'little sleep' so I must be worrying for no apparent reason, but I can't help it.
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I agree Grants. Sometimes I feel that I worry too much about it and it becomes stressfull! I think that i would need to be more relaxed about it, but I can't. But it's true, often DS is very happy with little sleep... Or with less sleep than he's suppose to need. So, probably, I should accept it. It is very difficult though because he slept so poorly (especially for naps) when he was a baby, that I think I have been somehow "shocked" and now i'm always afraid he's not sleeping enough!
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I dont worry to much if Ds doesn't sleep like the books but he is grumpy and badly behaved on little sleep so i know he needs more. We did 2hrs nap and he has been am angel. Just remind me of this at bt.
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I try not to follow the books but it is hard b/c I put this expectation on her and can't seem to get. Maybe, 11hrs is enough for these los. I was talking to my SIL and she said that her kids always did 10hr nights and napped if they were tired. Her first dropped her nap near 3 and her second was 2.5. She said, if they were tired they would just crash on the sofa. They had 9pm bedtimes and would wake up at 7am. ??? ???
I truly believe that following their cues is important. Moods play a large role when they are tired. I know this is true for Madi. I know she at least needs an 11hr night to cope all day.
I agree, two kids is hard, really hard, especially when it comes to sleep. :'( I keep telling myself one more year and Madi will be in school. I feel bad thinking like that but I need the break. :-\
Especially having two and being alone at night, I am so weak to tackle these EWs with Madi. I figure if I can get an extra hour with her beside me (even if she doesn't sleep) then so be it. Then again, i have the BW voice in my head saying this is so wrong. :-[ I have noticed that she normally comes out during these pesky hours b/c she is not tired. She only comes into my room to tell me she wants to go downstairs. I don't know what happened this morning, it was such a blur. she came in at 5:30am, kept rolling in my bed then finally fell asleep. I probably should of went in her room instead but I was so comfy and Alyssa had a nw at 2am and I couldn't fall back asleep until 3am. Sigh.
Anyhow, don't know if Madi will nap today. If she does, it will be one hour. We are doing some quite time ATM. She is watching Fresh Beat Band.
consmummy, I hope your DS feels better soon.
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My sil says my niece who is 27mo naps 2x still on the sofa but her bt is 11pm! I think by the time they are tired enough to crash on the sofa they are ot really. I think they can manage on less than they need but can thrive on enough. K was asleep with a little messing around by 8.30.
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I would say DS thrives, if I let him have long naps he fights BT and has long NWs so I def think he is low sleep needs. Thanks for the debate ladies. It is good to talk about this topic. I def need to stop worrying about his total sleep.
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She napped from 1-2pm. Took me a while to wake her up. Sigh. In bed at 8pm but did not look tired at all. She was playing with her flashlight and kept asking me to sing songs. I hope we don't get a pesky EW tomorrow.
Do you ladies think, I should try 45min naps with the same bt? I am afraid to do early bedtimes when she naps b/c I am guaranteed an EW. On a no nap day, I know she will give me 11-12hours.
I better go to bed soon as I don't know what tonight will bring. :-\
sending everyone sleepy vibes and decent wu times.
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I agree with you all. The most important thing is the behavior. For example, yesterday F was happy with 9.5 h night and 2 h nap. Today he was not up after 10.5 h, after that I had to go out to have medical examinations, so hopefully he slept at least 11 h, that for him are a good night. I also agree that many kids sleep less than they need simply because their parents don't realize that. However we all take care about our child sleep and they seem to be under the average as well. So I think that if F is happy I have to stop to stress myself about the longer or shorter nights... Until they still fit with our sleep too. Easier to say,difficult to do...
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Really good night last night Dec slept till just after 7am, which is just perfect for him if he's not going to nap in the day.
Yesterday I engineered a nap for him by going out in the car and he had 40-45 mins. Plus he has no runny nose today. So I think the nap plus the fact that he's better has got us over the OT hump we were in. he's a LOT less grouchy today!
If he can sleep till 7 or beyond consistently then the nap will be gone for good.
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Well, he was still tired this morning, fell asleep in the car at 11.30. Have just let him have 20-25mins and he's woke up fine.
So he still does need something, but it's so hard to get him to have a little sleep, unless we're driving. Grrrrrr, hopefully he'll get used to it soon.
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Glad you had a good night, Consummy.
Barbara, i agree, easier said then done. :-[
Madi had a decent night last night. Asleep by 8pm, woke briefly at 6:15am then again at 6:40am. I would love if she would just sleep longer so we can try more no nap days. YKWIM? I know she needs 6hrs of A time before bed(with a decent night) and a 6hr A before nap. that means our days are flipping 14hours long. She was always a 13hour day girl.
I think I asked before ladies but not sure what your responses were. If you let them nap 30-45mins, is bt the same?
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If she can cope( play it by ear watching her cues) I would say keep BT the same and with a bit of luck she will add those lost minutes into her mornings. Fingers crossed!
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thanks.
she passed out at 12:30pm on the sofa.
I am thinking of enforcing quiet time, like Becky did, in her room, but how do you convince them to stay there?
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I would do same bt for 45mins Sabs. I do find k is less grumpy if i wake him when in transition to next sleep cycle than in the middle of 1 like after an hr. K fell asleep in the car at 10.30 so slept until 12 then asleep by 8pm. I felt bad as after i told him to stop yelling he was whispering mama stay.
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Am I crazy or what? Finally got DS down to nap at 2 and he slept 2.5h, so I thought we couldn't put him down early but he was a mess. Why are they a mess when they had a long nap late??? He was yawning at 5:30. He woke up at 6:50, so it's very long day. I just didn't want bt refusal. But his behaviour was horrid at bt, refusing everything. He woke up at 4:30, we put him down at 9, that sounds reasonable, doesn't it?
Last sat, same wu, tried to put him to nap at the daycare nap time, in bed for 45 mins mucking around' a totally waste of time and effort and he promptly fell asleep when we got into the car! Why o why?? Shouldn't there be a better way???
I want to change bt to 7:30, since his wu is now 6:50. Does it sound right to you?
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Yep. 7:30 sounds good for a 6:50 WU
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7:30pm sounds good.
I don't know if I did the right thing by giving her a 1.5hour nap b/c at bt(8pm) she did not seem tired at all. I hope we don't too much of an early waking.
Lets, say she falls asleep at 12:30pm the earliest, would a one hour be enough to hold her until her 8pm bt?
Hubby kept saying I shouldn't of giving her that long of a nap. ::) It was kind of difficult to wake her up earlier as I had to settle DD2. ::)
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what do you make of this ladies. She had an earlier nap yesterday from 12:39-2pm and was asleep by 8pm. woke up this morning at 6:50am.
She is playing tricks on me. What does she want a longer nap with a longer A to bed or the shorter nap!!! ::)
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It's a good news and a great night Sabs! 8) Even though quite confusing...
I'm starting to think that capping naps too much does not really help the night. I also found that having a long A before bt is important for avoiding EW (although this is not always true for DS, it depends how tired he is). It's possible that she needed to catch up a little for sleeping well at night.
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Great night, Sabs. Perhaps you have found the golden formula!! 1h30 nap when she can 8 bt!! Happy for u
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oh boy ladies, it looks like she is not going to nap. We cuddled for a good 30mins and nothing. She kept asking me if it was time to wake up her sister. She is now having a snack on the sofa. Just give me 30mins child so we can do an 8pm bt.
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Well, Sabs. She slept well last night, so she isn't tired enough to do nap at that time. Try no nap and 7:30 bt?
We tried so hard to put DS down at 7:30. He was fighting so hard!! Only managed to get him asleep at 8:15! Sigh... We started bt routine before 6:45! I guess changing bt from 9 to 7:30 is a bit drastic, eh? But DH and I both agree that he's tired. He had under 9 h last night and with a NW!! My cough woke him up :( when will this end???
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It will end. I think it will take him some time to get used to an earlier bt. Have you tried moving it one hour before his usual bt?
I was thinking of keeping 12hour day, so 7pm bt. How does that sound? I never know what to do, push her more or do a 12hour day.
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I have been aiming at 8:30 but one thing or another, still didn't manage and he was asleep around 8:45! Then I got ill and DH just messed things up! Hence the short night. He's just plain OT. First one to fall asleep at daycare now! I can try for 8. He was rejecting me for everything. I went to play with him, he walked away and went into the toilet to find daddy so many times that DH got fed up and couldn't do his business LOL
We are tackling behavioral issues also. Or am I doing too much since this might all stem from lack of sleep?
I would aim at 11h30 for no nap. Without a nap really is hard on them. Good luck tonight!
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That is our typical nap day Sabs. I find if he naps after 2 he isn't tired for bt but by the time he is tired he is ot from a long day. I still stand by my no nap longer than 1.5hrs or after 2pm and we are ok for 8pm bt. I was out tonight so let k nap late then late bt so i could put him down when i get in. 9.10 he was asleep. I only got in 8.45 so i cant complain.
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I really think the behavioural issues are due to the nap dropping and turning 3.
Thanks for the tip K.
she was out by 6:50pm. Praying for a 12hour night. I probably should of put her down at 6:30pm as she was looking tired a little after 6pm. Of course, it never works out with two los. sigh
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think she is OT. had our first nw at around 9pm. Hope it is the last. Should I have done an earlier bt? I knew she should of napped.
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Hoping for u, Sabs!
We had a good night with 1 NW at 5:50! DH managed to get him back to sleep with wi/WO! Wooohooooooo maybe I don't need to do nights anymore hehe. So he slept from 8:15-7:20 till the alarm light came on! Still tired I could see. So hopefully we can repeat that tonight and turn off alarm for the weekend! We have to go to friends tomorrow and I am dreading it.
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Hope the night went well, Sabs.
Great night here, I was out but DH said he went to bed fine at around 7.20 and we all overslept this morning- 7.40 DH's phone rang, his work colleague wanting to know where he was! So it seems that he's tacking the old day sleep onto the night and that's great. Still gets tired during the day, but he's coping with it fine.
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It is great when they tack on isn't it? We got a 7.50 Wu this morning even though his brother was up from 6am yelling. Guess we wont nap tonight and I'll do 6.30bt. I would have done an earlier bt Sabs as 11hrs is our max for avoiding ot on a no nap day and we get ew with ot much more than ut and at least if he gets up early ut he isn't grumpy which is the worst!
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Great night ladies. ;D
We had another nw at 11:30pm. she had a bad runny nose, so I hope she is not coming down with a cold. In the last two days the temperature here dropped drastically. sigh
It is 7:30am and she is still sleeping. :o Do I aim for a no nap day again?
I was doing 12horus b/c the first day she tacked on so well and didn't' have any nws. Maybe I will try 11.5hours. She was getting tired come 6pm, yawning like crazy. I probably just pushed her too far.
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Hahahah I don't think u can AIM for no nap, after such a good night sleep, she WON'T nap!! Lol... But I am really happy for u!! I think she is finally catching up. Aim at 11h30-12h day today because she will be that much more rested. Watch her. Chances are she will be a total angel today! So so happy for you!!! Yay!
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Hi ladies, can I join you? My dd turned 3 on the 6 th of sept. We have had monkeying around with naps since may this year but have muddled through somehow and I used to work her routine around ds pm nap.
At least she would nap most days. But since she turned 3 instantaneously she has refused to nap. for the first time ever she hasn't napped for 5 days in a row!!! And I am FREAKING out! But touchwood her nights have been ok.
Our routine this week of her no napping has been wake 6:15/6:30 am and in bed by 5:50 asleep by 6/6:10 pm. So she is doing 12 plus hours at night.
Is ot going to hit me hard? What signs should I look for? Should I still persist with taking her for a nap? Since June I have had to lie with her to get a nap out of her. She used to nap either from 12:45-2:30 if she needed to catch up or from 1:30-2:40 if she was going well. Now 1:30Pm no longer is working. But that is the earliest I can take her for a nap because that's when ds goes down for his nap.
Is it possible she is ready to give it up completely?
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well she has a full blown cold again. she just got over one two weeks ago. I really am going to dread these winter months.
Welcome Shresmummy. The way that I see it is if she is tacking on nights then let it be. I think once her nights start getting shorter she will most likely nap. I also think there is a developmental leap and independence leap that they go through at this age.
how are her moods? Have you tried laying down with her at 2pm?
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Hi Sabs thanks for that! Sorry to hear your lo has a cold. It's so hard isn't it with 2 lo? I am still getting used to it! Especially when dd makes ds sick by bringing home something after preschool!
Her moods are perfectly fine surprisingly. I haven't tried taking her in at 2. Buti am scared that if she falls asleep too late I will have to wake her up and she HATES that! She s miserable for ages after and in a worse mood than if she didn't nap! I wonder if an earlier nap time of 12:45 might help?? Or is it too ambitious to expect a nap t that time!?
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It's a case of take each day as it comes, shresmummy-welcome, by the way. It's very much a time of really keeping an eye on them and their tired signals and working out how much sleep if any will get them through the day.
Dec has totally surprised me. Woke at 7.40, slept at nursery for 1hr40 (at 12.25 I think) and went to bed just fine at 7 15! Clearly doing a bit of catching up.
After tonight I'm off- got a spa day booked for sunday, and I'm staying away overnight before so it's all down to DH- woohoo!
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Welcome shresmummy! I agree with pp that development stuffs things up so bad that it can be just temporary.
Sabs, so sorry to hear. I hope at least she will get more rests and you can get a rest, too. For us, sometimes after illness as DS could catch up with sleep, then we could start fresh again. Fingers x for u.
Cosmummy, I am so jealous both for a good night and day and SPA!!! Enjoy!!!
DS had a short nap later at 1 for only 1h15. I think he was woken up by the other kids who fell asleep way earlier than him! He was already struggling from 6! Said that he was a bit tired but would not go to bed, of course ::) another drama about bath, stories, which book, etc!! Asleep at 8:30.
So he had an ok night of 11h and a shorter nap, I thought he could do the same bt as last night around 8. But NO!!
I salute you with 2los!
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Shresmummy, Life with two is interesting. LOL I would just follow her cues and if she seems tired then let her nap. If she is tacking on and doing fine then I wouldn't worry tbh.
Consmummy, you deserve it. Enjoy every minute.
K, Why is it that they say they are tired but won't go to sleep? I would love for someone to tell me to go to sleep.
I was in Madi's bed at 7pm, reading some books and singing some songs. 15mins later I told her I was going to leave and she popped up saying she wanted to leave her room. ::) She was yawning, clearly looking tired but according to her, her day was not finished. Sigh. anyhow, hubby came in and tucked her in and she went to sleep. I wish he was here at night as she seems to respond so much better with him then me. :'(
What do you ladies do for quiet time if they don't nap? Madi will not stay in her room so we just watch t.v, read some books, browse the net together.
praying for a decent night and for her to feel better tomorrow. I hope Alyssa doesn't get sick now.
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Quiet time here is usually watching toy Story or similar. Since dropping the nap started Dec has been far more up for sitting quietly and watching a dvd. he's doing so right now.
D slept till 6.30 this morning and seems tired still, so I may take him for a drive later if i think he needs a little sleep. Then at around 5pm I'm off duty!
Hope your weekends all go well, speak to you soonxx
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thanks.
It is 7:15am and she is still sleeping. 7:30am will be 12 hrs. She had one brief waking at 5am saying her nose was stuffed. Not sure if she is sleeping b/c of the cold or no nap. ???
what do I do today? I mean, she has never done 3 no nap days in a row.
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DS had a EW at 7 (9.45 h after 9.15 bt),and went back to sleep at 7.45.I fell asleep too and at 9 woke and he was still sleeping! A miracle! :)
However, today he seems more tired than yesterday and when he had a 10h night. boh??
Sabs, I would watch her and if she seems fine after a 12h night I wouldn't do nap. Otherwise, if she's tired, i would try a short nap (45 min-1 h)
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Quiet time here is also usually watching TV together, or reading a book or doing some puzzles. After 5 days of no nap we had a 5:45 wake up today for DD. I am not sure if it was because of the early morning cold (we are in spring here so days are warm but early morning is cold) or OT creeping up.
But good news is she napped today! I did an early nap of 12:45, I was able to take her in early cos DH was watching DS. She slept easily and slept from 1:10 - 2:25ish when she woke on her own and came downstairs!!
Then I did in bed at 7:30 (which is what I have always done, and she usually takes about 30 mins to fall asleep). Let's see how long she sleeps for tonight and what happens tomorrow.
Sabs, when my DD was your LO's age, just a few months ago the max she could go was 3 days of no napping. Then I found that I had to force a nap on the 4th day and often taking her in earlier than the usual nap time (if you have one nowadays!) seemed to work better. And I let her sleep up to a max of 1.5 hrs. But of course each LO is different.
The thing I struggle with is since I have to lie with her to get any sort of nap, during the week I can only really do that with her after DS goes for his pm nap. But that is often too late for DD's nap. Oh well..
Consmummy, enjoy!!
Sabs, hope you have a napping day today and that Alyssa doesn't get sick!
Enjoy your weekends everyone
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I'd go for a no nap day again, Sabs. Sounds like she's tacking the sleep on to her nighttime, which is great.
Think Dec is under the weather or teething his last molars, he's asleep in his bed. yesterday woke at 7.40am, asleep again by 12.15 till 1.40, bedtime at 7.15. Today woke at 6.30, has been a tired mess all morning and is now asleep again from 1pm. Could also be a growth spurt, maybe?
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We're back to cutting the nap. Man this is sooo much fun. Today is going to be the first day of a shorter nap, fasten your seat belts.
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Sabs, play it by ear since she has a cold. Her body seems to know how to tack now which is great! If u worry about too many no nap days, try 15 mins earlier bt.
Barbara, wow u had a good night!
Shresmummy, I also wonder if it's the morning chills. Just never know
We had 11h STTN!! Yay. We have to go out later and put him down for nap at 1:30, he fell asleep in 10 mins. Only just heard a cough and it's now 4:20! 2h40 and still sleeping! I am sure it will bite us tonight but at least we can go to this party and have some fun seeing people!!
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Hi Koe! Your DS seems to have a lot of sleep today! Happy for you! :D
F seemed very tired at 1 pm already, ??? so we put him down at 2 and at 4 he was still in deep sleep when DH woke him.
We are at the sea for the last sunny and warm weekend here. We were supid enough to forget his lovely with the paci... ::) I was very scared... :-\ I bought a new paci and attached it on another bear and it seemed working, at least for the nap. Hoping the same for tonight! ::)
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Barbara, glad your lo went back to sleep.
shresmummy, so happy she napped for you.
I too have to either lie with her now or sit with her on the sofa for her to take a nap and this has to happen when Alyssa is napping. Just a few months ago she would tell me she wanted to nap. Now she is Miss. Independent and thinks she doesn't need the sleep. Anyhow, we are going out in the afternoon, so if she may take a snooze in the car. I can't resort to car naps b/c Alyssa is napping. So frustrating. >:( I feel like it is a daily power struggle with naps.
Even though she has a cold, she seems to be doing well. It is amazing how much better her moods have been over the last two days due to the longer nights. Hope I didn't jinx myself. :-X
If she does a no nap again today, I think I may have to force a nap tomorrow. I fear Ot creeping in and I don't want an EW.
WEndy, are you cutting to 2hrs now?
Koe, yay for the STTN.
Oh yeah, Alyssa did get her cold. She just woke up 45mins into her nap. Gee.
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yes! She fell asleep hugging her cinderella blankie on the sofa. Going to give her one hour.
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Quick update. Had a blast at the party although either DH or I hd to be with DS as he's a bit sensitive to crowds (strangers). He was wide awake the whole ride back home and we still had to do the whole bt routine with stories, etc!! Arghhhhh! So he's asleep at 11:10 :( well fx for tonight! Must go to bed myself, too...
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good luck.
I put Madi close to her usual bt but my patience was running thin as I had to address Alyssa whose cold has turned her into a very cranky girl.
Fingers crossed tonight.
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6:45am wu this am. So an almost 11 hr night. What do I do today? follow her cues and if she naps cap it to 1hr?
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11 h sleeping after 9.30 bt! :) (we were out yesterday for an after dinner icecream). And he waited mr sunshine quietely before calling. Ah, the gro-clock seems miracolous! We started the past weekend with it and it seem he got it! :D
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What time did you set the grow clock if he slept until 8.30 then waited? We only got am 11hr night after no nap but b was up since 5.45 yelling so i cant complain about a 7am Wu. He is now napping as we type and i Will wake at 2pm. It Will only be 1hr 10 but if i let in do past 2 i cant preserve 8pm bt.
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Sabs that is great news!! Guess what, dd also napped today. That's 2 nap days in a row, both around 1.5 hrs for the np. But she is doing 10.5 hr nights. How did capping at 1 hr go? I found that dd hated being wokn at 1 hr but she was better at 1 hr10 mins.
Btw, what is the gro clock? I know heaps of people use it but not quite sure what it is.
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Actually I initially set it at 8.15, but then he was still asleep at that time. Since he went to bed late I wanted him to catch up a little and before he woke up I set it at 8.45 (11.15 h from bt). I was afraid that the yellow light of the sun woul wake him. Let's see today. He went to bed a 2, and he looked tired but he run on the beach the entire morning...
The gro clock is a sort of timer that in the morning shows a yellow sun and during the night a blue star. It is used to teach a child that there is the nigthtime, when everybody sleeps, and the daytime, when he can call mama and daddy because it is morning. You decide the time when sunshine arrives.
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All seemed to have a great night!
We had a brief NW at 5 but only wi/WO twice did the job. DS slept 10h and woke at 9! Not bad for 11:15 bt!! He is very happy and agreeable so far also!! We did more tv today to avoid meltdowns. Planning on no nap today and bt at 8 or just a bit earlier.
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When I wake Madi at the one hour mark she is so cranky and moody. 45mins is easier. I have to try 1hr and 10mins. i think she will nap today.
I want to shift our gro clock to 7am now. It is set at 6:45am. It doesn't bother her if it is on. If she is tired she will sleep with it on.
We dimmed the blue star to 0. Can you dim the sun?
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Our moon is off but I'm not sure if you can dim the sunshine ? I put a muslim square over the clock instead so the light doesn't disturb him if he wants to sleep longer. Not that it really happens in our house but I can only dream :P
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so i don't think it will be a nap day today. We are going out so hoping she will snooze for 30mins the car. If she does, do I do a slightly earlier bt?
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We had a pretty nice day!! Only some falling over after 6 and we moved quickly today. DS fell asleep at stories. He is asleep pretty much at 7:40.
I learned something very important. If he has no nap at all, he can just about handle 10h30 without a full on bath. Otherwise he would be OT And/or hyper. No wonder we were having so much trouble. I am hoping that he will sleep at least 11h tonight!
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Wow Koe! How doesn't it feel to have your evenings back?
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Well... I am still quite sick, so it's nice! The best out of this past week is that I got DH more involved, we know we can shift things around a bit, we can even have social life with DS AND no nap days can be doable! One HUGE downside, though, is that DS is always pushing me away and telling me to go to bed :( once I got energy back, I have to work on bonding with him!
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Don't worry DS does the same. It's a love and hate relationship between us. One minute he is crying for me the next minute he is like" no mamae, go away" :( I really don't know what goes on in his head ?????
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she crashed in the car at 2pm. I only let her sleep for 30min and put her down at 8pm, but she didn't seem that tired.
hope you ladies have a decent night.
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It's funny how 30mins nap could make such difference!!
We had 12h night!!!! I think DS could have slept longer but I didn't want a no nap at daycare today as we won't be able to put DS to bed early enough to avoid OT so I set the alarm at 12h.
Fingers crossed for today!!
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10.45 h night. Good! :) Not sure if the gro-clock woke him, but it was OK as we had to go to the daycare so I had to wake up him anyway.
I don't think you can switch off the yellow light.
F seems tired these days although he's sleeping well. ??? But it's possibly under a behavioral gs, he's a little more fussy with me and at the daycare they told me he's starting to say "NO" and doing things he knows are forbidden. Never done this before. But his speech increases everyday.
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barbaraz, my boy is the same at the mo, sleeping loads yet still tired. Also eating me out of house and home and pushing the boundaries with discipline.
No nap yesterday, but a 12 hour night. However he's been yawning all morning and is very cranky so I might try and get him to have a nap soon. he's still got a bit of a cold (as have I now, great!) so I think he's needing the sleep to recover.
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Great night Koe.
FX, I think he will most likely nap.
Babara, I put the gro clock against a pillow so it doesn't shine that bright. MInd you, she ignores it anyway! Sigh.
I do think developmental is playing a role with the behaviour. I found at the half year mark and a few months before they turn a big number, they change for the worse. Sigh. we went through that and still are as she will be three in two months. She says "no" constantly and still does the things she is not supposed to do. I wasn't a fan of TO but at her age this is what is helping to teach her about rules. It is so hard.
I just started reading "kids, parents and power struggles," and the next book on my list is "the no cry separation anxiety." She is going through some major SA with me.
consmummy, great night. I hate cold season. I am dreading winter.
So Madi gave me an 11hr and 10min night. Is that good with a 30min nap ? I mean normally she sleeps 12hours on a no nap day so she is short 30mins.
I am hoping she will nap today. FX. I need the break. lOL
WEndy, how are you doing?
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kids are strange aren't they? now DD has been having a nap for 3 days in a row! It was so great today, I even had a chance to have a 30 min nap for the first time since April!!
I woke her up in an hour today becuase she slept only at 1:50 after waking at 6:30AM. But she wasn't too cranky cos I just picked her up and plonked her in front of the tv with her biscuits and milk!
I have also noticed that sometimes if she's not sleepy she will cuddle with me and perhaps have a 20 min snooze and then when I try to leave she also gets up and comes. But that 20 min snooze is enough to revive her to sleep 1 hour later at night than she would on a no nap day.
Aaah yes, the "No" is a favourite in our household as well.
I must look into the Gro clock thing too. Mind you, if DD wakes early, she's quite happy to just lie there and sing away. I often get woken in the am to the national anthem or to 5 little ducks!
Good luck tonight everyone
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Thanks for the titles of the books Sabs! In the past months I started "inconditional parenting" and a "love and logic" book, but they both seemed to me somehow quite "extreme" in a opposite way. I did not finished them yet. Actually, I'm a fan of "rules" and of the fact that there are things not negotiable, and I found that this pays a lot in the long term. But I also think that there are situations in which rigidity is not the best and more useful option. It depends from the situation. And from the age.
F will be 2 in three months, and TO is not really an option with him, he can't understand it quite well. But I found that taking him up, speaking to him, and explaining things usually works and calms him down. Not always however, especially in this period.
And yes, this period is all for daddy, he always wants him to do things. I don't complain, it means I have a break! :) And these are phases anyway, he always passes from mummy phases to daddy phases.
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Ladies, what do I do today. We had quiet time from 12-1pm and she fell asleep at 1pm. Do I do 45min or 1hr?
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Sabs, do 45 mins when she is at light sleep! Good luck!
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I was going to do 45mins but then Alyssa woke up so I had to go settle her. :-\ She slept for one hour and was so miserable when I woke her. >:( Put her down at 8pm and she did not look tired at all. Kept asking me to sing one more song, scratch her back etc. Sigh
She is quiet atm- i don't want to know if she is sleeping or just resting.
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Sabs i find if i wake k bed he is still tired he gets past being tired and seems ut. Have you tried putting her down even earlier? I have also found a really tight consistent bedtime routine has helped these call backs. We had a good day lately. 1.5Hr early nap yesterday and 7.45 bt then slept 11hrs. We could have even done earlier bt i think. Also think we would have gotten longer night if his brother hadn't been yelling away from 6.15. I Will do another early nap and 7.30 bt i think.
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Bad night here: only 10 hours with a bad NW of 1 h... But this morning DS had 38°C of fever, so I guess this was the problem. Oh Lord, let it pass quickly!
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Sabs I have also found something similar to what khalams mum said. I would ty putting her own earlier to see what happens?
I have neve tried waking at 45 mins. I wonder how dd would react.
We had a no nap day today and a 11 hr day cos she was up at 6:45 am and asleep before 6 pm. Hope the night goes ok.
Barbara hope ds feels better soon.
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I guess I can try an earlier bt. She did give me an 11hr night-that is why I am hesitant. Her tired dues are so difficult to read atm. I can try a 15mins earlier bt with a one hour nap. I am just so scared of those pesky EWs. YKWIM?
She does seem tired this morning. I am hoping if she naps today I will probably let her sleep an extra 15mins.
Is it fine that if one or two days out of the week I let her nap a little longer?
shresmummy, how was your night?
Barbara, so sorry. I hate it when they are sick.
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Sabs, I let DS nap longer every Thursday and if we have a party at the weekend we also let him have a longer nap. This works for us ATM. I don't know if it would work for your DD? These kids are so different. The only way to find out is trying ;)
Barbara, I hope your lo feels better soon .xxx
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Get well soon vibes to your place Barbara. I let Ds take a late nap and as long as he wanted when we you to a wedding reception lately and it worked out well.
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Nurofen stopped its effect: the fever has risen to 39.3... :( Now it seems down again after another nurofen dose. And tomorrow I'm leaving for two days for work (I have to speak in a conference). :'( Things always happen at the wrong time >:(
I've not idea what it is, he seems OK apart for the fever... Hoping that tomorrow the ped comes and visits him.
Thank you ladies for your support.
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Have you spoken to the paed? Sometimes they say to use neurofen and paracetamol alternately every 3 hrs but check with your Dr of course.
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I'd totally agree with the neurofen and paracetomol alternately, you're OK to do that, hope it helps.
Just can't get Dec to nap at all these days, unless it's in the car.I've only done that about 3 times but he's now asking to go in the car when he's tired 'In car, mummy, seatbelt on!' he napped in bed on Saturday but he was poorly and tired and really needed to sleep.
Ah, hopefully just a few more months of napping and we'll be done.
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Thank you! Yes, I've been told of nurofen every 8 h and in the middle paracetamol if the temperature increases. I've given paracetamol before bt at 9. Should I give a dream med of nurofen or wait and see if he wakes up? Before paracetamol (4 h after nurofen) he was 37.5. He's sleeping apparently but he's not a calm sleep. Hope to have a decent night!
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Great that it is down a bit. Bear in mind he Will likely need more sleep to recover so i would let him have as much as he Will take. K had an early 1.5hr nap today and was in bed asleep by 8.15ish in the end. Hoping for 11hrs.
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sending get well vibes your way.
I gave Madi a 1hr nap today from 1-2pm and did a 7:50pmbt. Alyssa on the other hand gave me a rough time for bed. sigh
good luck tonight.
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Barbara, I hope F is feeling better. I wouldn't give Neurofen as a dream med. It's hard on the tummy. I normally give Neurofen at BT as DS 's stomach is full and Calpol in the night. Xx
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Oh boy ladies. asleep by 7:55pm and woke up at 6:30am. Think it was b/c her sister was crying. Sigh. She said Alyssa woke her up. ::) if she naps, I am going to let her sleep 1.5hrs. I feel so down today b/c things were looking better then all of a sudden I have two los now who woke early. I can't win. Alyssa has started to wake earlier now and am not sure if it is UT or OT.
Just need to rest my head today.
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Oh sabs, it's the same thing at my place. Last night shreya went to sleep by 6, but this morning woke at 5, because bunny had got lost under the covers. The first time ever. Of course after 11 hr sleep she didn't go back to sleep.
And she didn't nap today either cos DS had a short pm nap right when I was putting S to nap. I am so glad today is over. I had two os kids by 5 pm. I had no choice but to give her nearly a 13 hr day today. They were both asleep by 6 pm. Heaven knows what tonight will bring or what time they will wake tomorrow.
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never ends. My parents were over this morning and of course she was refusing to nap. She was getting cranky at 1:30pm, passed out at 2pm. I let her sleep for 45mins. Is 8pm bt a good time?
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I can't believe that I am writing on here but Lo, who is 21 months, has been dropping her nap. I put her to bed and she just plays for the whole 1.5-2 hrs!! If I try to go in there all heck breaks out and I just let her out of her room. 2 weeks ago we had 3 days of no naps with a bt of 5:45-6pm she slept 14 hrs those nights and then napped on day 4. Last week she napped everyday. Yesterday and today she hasn't napped. She is in her room right now reading books and I will go get her right away. I don't know what to do, she has to be too young for this right?
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I don't think it is odd at all. Can you post your routine? What is her temperament? What time do you aim for nap?
in bed and asleep by 8:05pm. Fingers crossed ladies.
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?? Okay- Nick has JUST turned 4 yo, and so is above the age for this thread, but I want your wisdom, please.
He's superbusy so I've kept the nap as long as possible- lucky me, he was taking 1 hour naps until last month, BUT his bedtime was coasting way too late 9-10PM!!
He USED to do this;
wake7:20AM, nap 1:30-2:30PM, and bedtime 8:30PM.
Now he's nap skipping- I'm totally okay with it, BUT BUT BUT!! His nights are now only 10 hours long and NO NAP???
Mama's kind of tired here... so 5:30-6AM waking and awake till 8:30/9PM. ??? yet still happy!! HELP
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She is 100% spirited,
her routine looks like:
wakeup-8am
nap-12:30-2:30
bt- 7:45pm
If she gets up at 7am she naps at 12:00pm, if she gets up at 8:30am she naps at 1pm
I think I may need longer A times but I don't know.
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Cath, try earlier bt! He should be way OT at that bt. Good luck!
Sorry to be MIA due to pneumonia. DS has been sleeping kind of well!! After that super late night with almost 12h sleep, I got him to sleep arund 11h or shorter if he has 1.5h nap.
He couldn't fall asleep earlier than 9:30 last night but with 8:30wu and almost 2h late nap, that's understandable. Now at 8 I only just heard th first cough, with piles driving for an hour right in front of our apartment, that's pretty good!!
I have yet to write it all down to analyze a bit before I can say I nail a good A time for him.
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Cathie, how many days a week is Nick having a nap and how long ? Or is it no nap the whole week ?
Lily, it doesn't sound like she is dropping the nap. Is she having NWs, EWs or refusing her naps at all ?
Koe , good news about the longer nights :)
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I agree, it doesn't sound like nap dropping. I wonder if you pushed that nap out a little. If she is waking up at 8am and nap falls at 12:30pm, that is only 4.5hours. I think at this age it is very difficult to manage a 2hour nap and 12hour night for them. What if you pushed the nap out to 1pm, will she still resist? This of course would mean bt would be moved a little later. Not sure how you feel about that. My only other suggestion is to move her wu time to 7:30am, with a 12:30pm nap. If you don't like to move her wu time earlier, I think you may have to move bt a little later.
Koe, get well soon.
our nights are getting shorter again. Sigh. after a 45min nap yesterday she was asleep by 8pm and woke this morning at 6:40am. Here we go with the OT cycle again.
should I let her do a nap of 1.5hours today. If she naps. LOL.
why are her nights getting shorter again. Mind you when I woke her up yesterday she was just miserable.
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joining this thread. the 1-0 transition is WAY harder than the 2-1 was!
DD is 2.5yo (31 months to be exact). she is touchy/spirited and has never been an awesome napper. about 6 months ago her naps started to get longer (2-2.5 hours) but her night was getting shorter (10 or less hours) and she was always waking in the 5am hour. at first we thought her little brother was waking her up, but then he stopped waking at that time and she just kept on. we tried to move naptime, bedtime, etc. but nothing was helping...and she was so tired by 9am that she was asking for a morning nap! yikes. she goes to school 8:30-11:30am M-F so i was worried that she was too tired for school. finally this summer on vacation she started taking 30 minute naps in the car/stroller while out and about and we were putting her down to bed btwn 6-6:30pm...and she was sleeping until 6am the next morning! things are so much better that way, but it is hard to stay on that schedule for various reasons. since school started back up she has been sick twice already so i've let her nap as long as she needs. currently i am allowing a 1 hour nap but am only getting a 10-10.5 hour night, which isn't horrible but she is taking 45 minutes to fall asleep at night and getting up at 5:15/5:30am. ARGH!! plus she is a bear when i get her up during the day.
i KNOW she does better with little to no nap...she sleeps at least 11h30m at night those days...but it just is hard to stick with it, and she seems so young to have no nap. sigh. i know you all know how i am feeling, just looking for support!!!
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Cath, try earlier bt! He should be way OT at that bt.
LOL- I put him to bed at 7PM, BUT he's not asleep until 8:30- just happily singing, talking to himself, etc etc. It's like his brain won't shut off.
Cathie, how many days a week is Nick having a nap and how long ?
Last week it was maybe one 30 min nap every 3rd day, and now it's just NO nap and late night/short night. Last night 8:30, he woke at 6:30AM...happy. no major whining, behavioral issues, just wakeful...
thanks girls- geez, sleep has always been our battle, ykwim? And not in a fussy way, just a low sleep needs kid or something...
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Lily,I Aldo think it doesn't sound like nap dropping. If. Remember correctly at this age dd went through something similar. And we ended up with a routine like wu 7-7:30, nap 12:30-2:20 and bt was around 8-8:30. They go through phases of resisting but do come around back to napping!
Sabs we seem to be following your pattern. After that horrendous 13 hr day she did surprisingly well with a 12.5 hr night. But today she had a 45 min nap and fell asleep by 8 pm. Wonder how long the night will be.
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I agree as the PP said. I think it is a developmental milestone and many have gone through this.
Shresmummy, This pattern is horrible, isn't it? she is looking really tired. I am typing here beside hoping she will nap. Don't even know how long I should let her nap. Something tells me if she falls asleep now, to let her sleep until 2pm. That would give us an 1hr and 20min nap. God this transition is difficult. I thought it would be a breeze for her as the 2-1 was very easy. I find 13hour days always worked best for her.
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Well I am glad that it doesn't sound like nap dropping, she has no ew, nwing. so I will push nap back and bt back and go from there, thanks ladies :)
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I am totally confused ladies. DH told me that DS did have a NW at 3! Sometimes when he had a NW, he would wake late and he slept through piles driving and the light on the alarm! He woke at 8, HAPPY, just chatty without crying at all. So I thought he slept well. He had his usual 1h30 nap at daycare and by 8 he was yawning, even though we planned to put him down for 8:30! I just don't get it. He seems tired but couldn't fall asleep. It's like I constantly miss his window and he ends up taking ages to fall asleep. Or can this be another leap???
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i think a leap. IT has to be?
I let Madi sleep from 12:40-2pm. She was easier to wu this time. Sigh. Aiming for an 8pm bt. God, I hope I made the right decision by letting her sleep an extra 20mins. I hope I should't of stuck with the one hour nap today.
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For the better mood, it's totally worth it, Sabs.
If this is another leap, then he's been having a leap every 4-6 weeks!!
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How's it going, Sabs? has she gone down OK? It's such a gamble, isn't it?
I think I've got things OK here. luckily Dec has always been OK at coping with being tired. If he sleeps beyond 7 then I know we're OK, if it's 6-6.30 then I need to engineer a nap into our day usually by driving- we've generally got somewhere to go so that's fine.
Proud mummy ths morning. He's just realised he can get out of bed by himself, came trotting in at 5am-eeeeek! But I sent him back to bed, he cried a little at first but was fine and slept till just before 7!!!!!!!!!!
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K took an hr to nap today so only got 45min in before i woke him at 2. Was all set for a 7.30bt but dh popped out with him for a few mins which ended up 30 and then said he was hungry and dh made pasta. By the time he bud it was 8pm bt but he is being particularly difficult as is taking off his clothes and nappy! 8.15 and counting... If he wakes the baby i Will be really annoyed.
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Consmummy, Madi discovered getting out of her bed one month ago. She was so happy she could do it but now when she wakes early or has a nw, she just gets out of her bed and comes to my room. :-[
Koe, it has to be a leap! I keep thinking that b/c around the 3 year mark they are going through so many developmental changes. don't forget that independence stage.
I keep telling Madi, one day mommy is going to be dragging you butt out of bed. :-X
K, oh boy. Good luck.
I put Madi down at 8pm and she went pretty smoothly. Fingers crossed for an 11hr night.
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Sabs, hope the night goes ok for you. After that 45 min nap yesterday she did a 10h15 min night. Today she napped a bit early and I'm going to let her sleep 1h10. I need 15 min of kid free time today. Hope it doesn't bite me in the behind at bt!
My dd is so funny, she can get out of bed by herself too, but she always keeps a huge Teddy at the end of the bed so she can't fall. Even if I forget she keeps it there and doesn't get out! Strange girl!
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Hi girls,
F resulted having a throath infection and he's under antibiotics. 10 days of antibiotics! Poor little! Anyway, he seems to be better now, yesterday the fever was eventually gone and tonight he STTN, for the first night this week. He went to bef yesterday at 9 and he's still sleeping (through the sunshine of the gro clock) at 8.20! He's catching up all the bad nights I guess.
And I'm back home, so I feel more relaxed too.
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Oh dear Barbara! I hope F gets well soon. DS always sleeps loads when he's ill which is a great thing. Hopefully when he gets better, the whole sleep thing will settle a bit.
Sabs, u know what? I think you are probably right. DSs GSs are always early and much longer than average!! That one day without nap worked so beautifully but I dnot think he can manage another one just yet.
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Koe, I think it just takes time for their little bodies to get used to no nap.
Barbara, sending get well vibes your way.
Shresmummy, I too would let her sleep a little more. Tell me about the kid free thing. Sigh
IT is 7:20am and Madison is still sleeping. I just don't get it. Maybe she is catching up? I can't figure this girl out. I know with a 1hr and 20min nap she needs 6hrs of A time.
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Oh gosh, it did come and bite me in the behind! She took aaaages to fall asleep. I hope we don't have an ew! I am going to aim for no nap day tomorrow. She was so difficult to wake up even at 1h10 mins! Se pushed me away and slept for another 15 even though ds was pulling at her.I don't get it!
Barbara hope he gets well soon!
7:20 sleep in! I long for that day!
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just checking in ladies - we are still here but for now seem to be trucking along. Quiet time has been AMAZING for us - so glad we started it. He probably naps 3 out of 7 days but it is enough and I get a break too :) I really thought we were stuck with car trips.
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Eventually k fell asleep 8.50 after he woke his brother but then slept until 8.25 this morning. So nap nap today and aiming 7.30 bt. Good luck.
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Great news about quiet time Becky ! How long is he in quiet time ? And how long does he nap?
I hope we all have a good night ;)
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K was asleep by 7.25. Hope i get 12hrs from him.
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Much better today. F slept 12 hours tonight and my mum woke him up after 2.5h nap!!! :o Definitely he feels better and needs catching up! This evening we put him to bed a later, at 9.30, because he slept so much today and I was afraid to have EW tomorrow, and he was in a good mood even that late (and I am hoping he will sleep half an hour later tomorrow morning, as it is Saturday and I can also sleep... ;)). Will see. I hope that antibiotic does not affect his tummy...
Thank you all for the good vibes and wishes!
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Glad he is feeling better.
Madi woke up at 7:30am today and of course she didn't nap. come 6pm she almost fell asleep on the sofa, so I gave her a quick snack to perk her up. In bed at 7pm and asleep by 7:30pm . Fingers crossed.
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Glad to hear your DS is feeling better Barbara :)
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Glad your lo is better, Barbara.
Dec woke at 7 yesterday and then had 1.25 hr at nursery- he seems quite happy to nap there! In bed at normal time. he's been awake since 6.30 this morning and i doubt he'll nap here- grrrrr. Might have to enforce some quiet time. Should be easy to do as DS1 (6) has my cold and so was awake at 5.30, so he'll need to rest.
I have a feeling today is going to be a long tough road, specially as I'll be on my own for most of it.
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hugs sweetie. I am alone at nights and I find that the most difficult b/c I have to deal with all the nws and EWs. It has been really hard on me, especially now that I have 2.
Madi woke up at 7am, so that was an 11.5hour night. She said she woke up b/c Alyssa was crying. Could be true b/c she was fussing and crying for me at 6:50am. I have been up since 4am b/c of Alyssa. God, grant me the patience and strength.
Going to aim for a one hour nap today, if she takes it.
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Hugs to you! I too have been up since 5 am. First with ds and then dd woke up at 6 after only a 9.5 hr night! I don't know how I made it, but the day is over. I let her nap 1.5 hr today but made sure sh was up by 2:30 then did 8:15 bt. Hoping for a better night. And as if I didn't have enough issues we start daylight savings next weekend... Sigh! I too am alone for most of the ew, nw and bt. Hugs to you ladies. I know just how you feel!
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Only 10.15 h tonight. And he was tired but did not want nap, so I had to put my foot down and decide it was time to nap. He is starting to like playing more and now he doesn't want to stop and transitions to one activity to another are becoming tough. Hope he sleeps now. I think we are back to normal life... :P
Sorry Sabs and Shresmummy to hear about the difficult nights. I don't know if I could manage two, and I have DH sharing the duties...
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Both boys up at 6.30 this morning and the lo up several times in the night so i have been tired too. Dh works shifts and is studying so i too am the one doing nw and ew. The joy. K did take a 1.5hr nap at 12.15 so Will aim 8.30bt. I am not looking forward to the clock change.
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Sounds like we all had a rough night last night! here's hoping for a more peaceful one tonight.
Managed to get Declan to sleep in the car as I had an errand to run, but even with that he was still really tired the rest of the day. Oooooh, if he'd just sleep in bed at home, just sometimes!
Not sure how tonight is going to go. not Dec, but my eldest, he's got the nasty cold I've had and bless him he just can't breathe. I've dosed him up with probably more meds than I should, he's got olbas oil on a tissue by his bed, and I've attempted to syringe his nasal passages with Sterimar- limited success! Hopefully the fact that he's been awake since 5.30am and we've been on the go all day will help him sleep.
Sorry for the ramble, just wanted to get it all off my chest.
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Sorry for the ramble, just wanted to get it all off my chest.
that is why we are here! :-*
Hopefully we will all have a peaceful night.
I got Madi to nap on the sofa with me beside her but capped it to 1hr. In bed and asleep by 8:10pm. If only she would not fight her nap and stay in her bed!
what are you ladies going to do when we move the cocks back one hour?
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Sabs, I don't usually adjust their schedules at all when the clocks change, I just stick to the new times and they adapt to it.
The only thing I may well do is if for example Dec is up from say5.30am (6.30 old time) I'll make sure he gets a nap somehow to get him through the day.
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We are already adjusting our BT. BT is a bit later and later every week until it gets to 1 hour later. Xx
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thanks ladies.
we got a brief nw at 4:42am. She asked me to sing her a song. ::) She went back down. It is 7am now and am expecting her to wake up anytime now. Mind you, I have been up since 6am b/c of DD2. One day they will sleep in.
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I too don't do much for daylight savings. But here in the southern hemisphere we are moving the clocks forward... But next weekend when the clocks change, Is going to b messed up anyway, we are visiting family in Sydney from tomrrow and staying with in laws for a week! Yikes I can't begin to imagine what stimulating grandparents are going to do for my kids sleeps. I am going try and go with the flow....and not let myself get stressed ( yeah right!)
Hope all you ladies have a good week and good nigh. Lots of sleepy and nap vibes your way! I might not be able to check in regularly while we are away, but will try. I will be thinking of you and your little ones! Wish me luck!!
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I hate clock changes!
We are going to change at the end of October, so we have some time. But I don't plan to do anything really. We have to stick to the normal time during the week, due to daycare. I can't let F sleep more in the morning. And in any case this would work only if I could shift everything, nap times, meal times, etc. and this is not possible with the daycare. I think we will go out the night before the clock change, and we'll put F to bed late, hoping that he will sleep more in the next morning and then I will go with the new time.
Good luck shresmummy! And have good trip and good time with the family!
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Have a good trip.
Our clocks are changing back next month but I am trying to prepare myself.
Madi didn't have a nap today. by 4pm she was getting cranky and yawning, so we went outside and she perked right back up. Put her down at 7pm. Fingers crossed for a 12hour night.
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grants - just saw your post - sorry.
He has quiet time from 1-2pm every day and if he naps I allow max 1.5 hours although usually it is around 45/50 mins.
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Becky, I LOVE the pic. So adorable! I can't believe how big they are getting.
We did two no nap days and she gave me 12hour nights. Hoping for a nap today. I think she needs it as she is getting cranky.
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Ladies if you read this in time, I am a little stuck for today. Madi fell asleep at 12:30pm and woke up at 1:30pm crying b/c she didn't see me. I was in Alyssa's room. I am so freaking ticked off right now. I mean she knows I am in the house but does she need to freak out???? Anyhow, I was thinking of a 7:45pm bt. Does that sound good or do I stick to my 8pm?
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Oooooooh, D is really getting on my nerves now!
He needs to nap still I think, at least a few days a week, but he wont just wont sleep in bed at home. I don't mind too much having to drive to get a sleep into him, we usally need to go somewhere during the day, but it's not proper restful sleep and it's really starting to show.
Today he was telling my mum he was tired this morning. had playgroup and I hoped he'd crash on the school run but no, he just screamed the whole time 'want get out!'. thats another thing, there's no way he'd manage walking to and from school twice a day but he wants to and protests very loudly every single time. I let him walk home, as there's no rush but all the way to school he goes nuts.
He's so tired tonight, he's been a total mess from about 3pm, scraming at everything, constantly demanding food, going crazy when denied. My lovely DH took both boys to visit their grandad so I could chill and have a bath in peace.
I just hope these weeks and months pass quickly and he gets to grips with no nap soon!
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We have had a good few days, our 14hrs night followed by 12hrs on no naps then 12hrs on 45min nap. Today we did no nap as up at 7.45. I planned 6.30 asleep but my mum was saying t was too early so i aimed for 7 instead but he absolutely screamed like he never screamed before! Until 7.30 so 45min. In the end i just sat on the bed and he cried next to me. He was livid. I tried to sing or talk to him but he was screaming no and throwing himself on the bed etc. I've never seen him like that. So in future i am going with mama knows best. Nana means well but she is too soft. I just hope he sttn and doesn't ew now. With b getting up 5x some nights i really dont need it.
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Fingers crossed for you ladies.
I stuck with the 8pm bt and she woke at 6:40am. I knew she was tired by noon b/c we went swimming in the morning, but she just would not nap. Finally, I told her to lie down with hubby in our bedroom while i attend to her sister and she fell asleep. Grrr. I even told her I would lie down with her in her room but she just firmly said no. Funny, b/c she was trying to get a second wind by asking for snacks.
I think on days that she needs to nap and fights it, I may have to just tell her that I am going to nap and she will most likely come with me as she can't seem to part with me. ::)
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I must admit k never ever said yes to a nap so i dont even ask i just say it is time. We got 12hrs last night but Will aim for a 45min nap today i think.
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Ugh, this just gets worse. D is just in a foul mood again, I have had a whole morning of him yawning, screaming, tantruming, whining and I've had it up to here. I'm going to take him up to his room for a nap, you never know he may go for it for once if he's tired enough.
He used to be great at napping, always slept if tired but now he seems to think he's too old for all that.
I'd put money on him napping at nursery tomorrow though.
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What is wrong with these kids? I mean, why can't they just sleep if they are tired. ::)
Not sure what this mornings wu time meant but she woke up at 6:20am crying into my room and I wasn't there as I was in Alyssa's room trying to extend her sleep. Sigh. I probably could of got Madison back down but since her sister was up, she didn't want to. So all three of us went into Madi's room to wait for Mr. Sunshine.
Do you think this was an OT wu? Please, God don't let these eWS creep in again. I am already dealing with one lo wo is waking earlier then normal. I can't deal with two of them at the same time as I am by myself.
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just need to vent a little more. Grrrrr.... O.k vent over!
Ladies, I think i may give her a 1.5hour nap today. I can't figure out what is best, a one hour nap or 45mins nap. I have started logging her. Also, her wu time is just not consistent. It varies from 6:20-7:30am.
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Sabs we're the same, drives me crazy. If he sleeps beyond 7 then I know he'll be fine with no nap, but if not he needs some down time and he wont go in his bed.
I think his last 2 molars may be finally making an appearance, hopefully after this he might (MIGHT!) settle down a bit.
Grrrrr, he had 1.5 hrs at nursery today and he's still awake now. Go to sleep!
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Hello all!
Thought I'd join in if you'll have me as we seem to be in nap dropping territory! DD started messing around with naps just before she turned 2 and then got back to nice naps and good bedtimes. However for the last week+ bedtimes are getting worse and worse, even on a 1 hour nap she is still up and down like a yo-yo wanting the toilet, cuddles, drinks etc etc ::). She has been finally falling asleep about 9pm ish and waking around 6.30, although I have needed to wake her a couple of days this week at that time for me to get to work. We get into a loop then, she needs a nap because she didn't get enough sleep at night but if she has a nap she doesn't go to sleep until late. The joys of toddlers!
Today she didn't have a nap and has gone straight to sleep at 7pm ( ;D). We did have a busy day, spent a couple of hours at the beach this morning (paddling in the UK at the end of September :o) she helped me with house work this afternoon then a good spell of bouncing on the trampoline this eve! I'm really hoping we get at least a 12 hour night as she has been having about 12 hours sleep in 24 with the nap/ night sleep - 13 hours would be nice mind :P.
I think I'm still in denial about the nap dropping though! DS has just started full time school and I have been really looking forward to some Y time during the days I don't work, I guess that won't happen much now. He didn't drop his nap until he was nearly 3, but she has always been a high A baby, she dropped the cat nap before she hit 6 months and switched to 1 nap really easily when she hit 1.
Fingers crossed that everyone gets a good night!
Laura
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Hey Laura, come on in, it's a fun place to visit :)
So the long nap/short scenario is killing us again. He was screaming by the time I got him to daycare this morning, he simply can't cope. So we cut to 2 hrs today. Please send sleep tacking vibes that one day my kid might actually take some night sleep.
:-* to you all
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Welcome Laura.
Wendy,sending sleep tacking vibes your way.
consmummy, it drives me crazy.
It was a no nap day today. UP at 7am (had a nw at 3am) and went down at 7pm. FX for tonight.
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As requested ~~~tacking vibes~~~ for you Wendy and fingers crossed for you Sabs!
We had a great night thankfully - 12 solid -not a peep from either kid- hours! I will keep her awake today and see how things go. We have got beautiful weather forecast and as it's the weekend DH is around so it's much easier to keep her occupied when I am doing things like cooking meals!
Have a good day all!
Laura
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Sooooo, today should be *interesting*, D finally went quiet at around 8.15 and was up at 6.20 saying he had a cough. DH is taking them to a fun day over the middle of the day so i might suggest he takes a long drive there or back to give him just a short nap otherwise he will be a nightmare by the evening.
Want to make sure he's nicely tired out tho as we're off out tonight and my folks are putting them to bed! usually they're good as gold for them so I'm not too worried, more concerned about getting him through the day on such a short night.
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so ladies, what does this mean? asleep by 7:05pm and woke up this morning at 6:20am ready to start her day. Normally she gives me a 12hr night. ot??
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I'm not sure 45 mins early really means anything at this age :-\. My two have never woken at the same time every day and wake up any time between about 6.15 and 7.30, it's only OT if they wake before 6am really and that very, very rarely happens now even if they are very OT at bedtime. I know I don't wake at exactly the same time even with the same going to sleep time and I think that's the same with toddlers really.
How was she when she woke? If she was happy and cheerful I'd say she just had enough sleep! If she wasn't very happy maybe something environmental woke her like a strange noise or feeling too hot or cold.
Laura
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Cheerful as can be! ::) She refused to stay in her bed and wait for Mr. Sunshine. She said she wanted to go downstairs, so I told her to come rest with me on my bed. It is really dark in the mornings now. She was just talking to me in my bed as we waited for Alyssa to wake up.
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I agree Sabs. Sometimes it is easy to over analyse there things. 11Hr 15 is a good night and most likely enough sleep for her. We did no nap and 6.30 bt so am hoping for 12hrs sleep. We have a picnic for nana's birthday tomorrow so Will nap him early so we dont have to head home early. Watch him sleep until 8am now and refuse early nap!
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Watch him sleep until 8am now and refuse early nap!
Has he been talking to my DD - that's her favourite trick, refusing naps on the days you most need them!
We have had an interesting day! We did our errands this morning and then spent the afternoon playing in the garden. She has been lovely all day, I don't think she has had any meltdowns at all today! She has been really touchy for the last couple of weeks, crying and stroping over anything and everything not going her way. I am really wondering now if no nap is a better option for her, so she has 12 hours of good solid sleep rather than a shorter night plus a nap. I guess I will just have to see how things go with no nap for a few days and evaluate if she needs no nap days and then a nap day or she is just ok on no naps.
She was in bed by 7pm tonight, messed around a bit but looks like she was asleep by 7.30pm. Fingers crossed for a peaceful night! I was also amazed that her pull-up was dry this morning after 12 hours sleep :o I can't last 12 hours!! She didn't even need to wee when she first woke :o :o
Hope everyone has had a good day!
Laura
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fingers crossed for you ladies.
I got Madi to nap at 1pm but was very difficult to wake at 2pm. She kept pushing me away. Sigh. Anyhow, in bed and asleep by 8pm FX
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A fun night had here! We were out so my parents put the boys to bed. All fine, then at 3.30 D comes happily bounding into our room. Took him back to bed, he was NOT happy. But only cried a little, then just spent the next 1.5hrs sat in bed, refusing to lay down, calling for me. FINALLY at 5am he gave up. And woke happy as anything at 7!!!
I think he was just thrown by us going out, he was not happy when we left, so perhaps wanted to make sure I wasn't going anywhere again? Hope things go back to normal tonight!
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we had an interesting night. Madi woke up at 2am and kept getting out of her bed. I took her back to her room 7 times. then she woke again at 5am and finally at 6:20am. I don't know what this means. UT/OT? Hubby thinks it was b/c she napped for one hour and I probably should of did 45mins. He also said she probably needs more no nap days. Over the last few days, her wakings are getting earlier. They were always around 6:45-7:15am. do i let her nap today? and for how long?
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These toddlers like to keep us on our toes don't they! {{HUGS}} for the NWs!
DD did pretty well, woke briefly at 5.30 but went back really quickly then woke just after 7 so about 11.5 hours sleep which is ok. We have kept her up again today, so day 3 with no nap and see how she does tonight. Tomorrow she is home with me so we will run errands in the morning and see how she is by lunchtime.
She goes to pre-school on Tues, Weds and Thurs morning so I'm not sure what to do on those days. Tuedays I don't work so she comes home, Wednesday the childminder picks her up and she very rarely naps there (only goes one day normally), Thursday Grandma and Grandpa pick her up and bring her home while I'm at work. She could nap Tues, and Thurs, I think I will just have to see day by day how she is and what the night before is like.
She really enjoyed the beach this morning - spent ages splashing in the sea! I can't believe it, in the sea in October in the UK, we didn't get to do this in August!
Laura
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Laura, you are doing a great job.
My girls love the beach. It is freezing here now. I am hating it.
It looks like Madi has a stomach bug so that can explain why she woke so many times. ??? She puked this morning and is now resting. I was thinking of just letting her sleep for 2hours. I hope I don't pay for it tonight.
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I would let her sleep if she is sick for sure. K up 6am. I think he would have gone back but he must have had a dream as was really upset and he is never like that. He was nearly off but i had to rush off to b who had woken and he cried to come with me. Napped 1.45hrs today and was a delight at the park for my mum's bday. Will see what bt brings.
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My LO is 2.5 and refusing naps and/or trouble settling at night. I'm not sure if to drop it altogether, capping the nap doesnt seem to be making any difference. Its 9.30 now and she's upstairs shouting ( I let her have a 45 minute nap) but she's clearly way OT.
If she doesnt nap she will tack on to her night,shes good to sleep in ( although always 2-3 short NW) so should I go for it? She is absolutely awful to manage when she's OT (100% Spirited)
Another complication I have is that daycare have been rocking her to sleep at nap time >:( so I'm not sure if she's able to sleep without it. Of course if I rock her it doesnt work ::) ::) Cant win with this kid!!
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she napped from 11:50am-1:30pm. Woke on her own. Asleep by 8pm. She was in good spirits but you can tell she was not feeling well as all she wanted to do was cuddle or lay down. We celebrated my mom's 70th b-day today and thankfully, she did well there.
Deb, I would just follow her cues. If she has a decent wu time,then aim for a no nap day. So, with a 45min nap she will still fall asleep later? Have you tried a 30mins nap.
What is her easy like?
These toddler are something else, aren't they?
fx for tonight ladies.
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Sabs - sounds like she needed that nap. When they are ill it throws everything doesn't it. Hope she's feeling better tomorrow!
Deb - I would follow cues as well. We have had 3 no nap days so far but for the next while I will see day by day if she needs a nap or not. I'm suspecting more not than nap with my DD, but she's not particularly spirited (most of the time ;)) and she handles OT and long As really well.
Another decent night! She wa sasleep before 7.30 last night and awake around 7am this morning. One brief NW cos she couldn't find her dummy but she's very good - always shouts for Daddy when she wakes at night ;D. I did hear her scrabbling around in her dummy box about 6.30ish but I don't think she was properly awake then. So about 11.5 hours sleep and a dry pull-up! Not bad at all!
Hope everyone else is having a good day/ night!
Laura
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F seems to get used to the gro-clock. Now I don't really know how much sleep he has: during the day I let him sleep for ca. 2 h. The last days BT was at 9 pm, and wu was at 8 am but he always starts calling us immediately when the sun comes out, so I think he's already awake for a while before. It is a little bit annoying not to know how much he really sleeps, but he seems happy when awake and these times suit us, so for the moment I'm happy with this.
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Laura, great night.
Ladies, i don't know why but her wu is creeping earlier. woke this am at 6:20am. I think she may have fell back asleep with me but Alyssa was crying, so I had her lay down on my bed and then she came into A's room. we all went into Madi's bed and waited until Mr. Sunshine came on. She will not wait for it to come on. she just comes out of her room and into mine.
thinking of doing a 1hr nap. What happened to my 7am wu?
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I think the only way she Will wait is if she is consistently put back to wait. While she has the option of mummy's bed she Will take it. I am finding it hard to be consistent with them tag teaming me too. Woke 7.40 this morning after 11hrs which is fine as he had 2hr nap yesterday. No nap today so asleep at 6.25pm. Hope he sleeps well. I find as ot creeps in we get earlier Wu so keep throwing naps in to catch up and that sorts it.
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Sabs - with the gro clock have you taught her what she has to do? I wonder if you practice with it during the day, setting it to come on in 1 min and pretending to sleep until it comes on - lots of praise etc when she "wakes" up with the clock. You can make a big game of staying in bed until it comes on and then lots of "hurray we can get up now" etc and stickers if she likes them. You could also be outside her door, set the clock encourage her to be lying down and then it comes on she she can come out to you, again lots of praise etc. If you start with a really short interval to do lots of "fun" practice, then set it for a little bit longer for more "fun" practice etc she may get the message of what you want her to do. It may be that she just doesn't "get" what she needs to do yet - and yes, you will need to be consistent with it and what you want her to do.
Laura
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I keep telling her she has to stay in her room until Mr. Sunshine comes on, but she doesn't. She says she wants to go downstairs. Last week she was sleeping past it. When A wakes up in the am and I am assisting to her, she will come into her room(if she is awake at that time). Of course, this further wakes them up. I am by myself, so it is all me. What do I do? Put Alyssa down and bring Madi back to her room?
Anyhow, gave her a one hour nap and am aiming for an 8pm bt.
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need quick advice. Madi had a nw from 1:30-2:30pm. She kept getting out of her bed and coming into my room. Do you think this means UT? She woke up at 6:40am this morning. I was thinking of doing another 1hr nap but if she doesn't want it, not to fight it.
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Do you think she was UT? It's hard to say without knowing her really! If you think no nap is a good move today then go for it!
Laura
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Laura, I do think UT b/c normally when she is OT, her nws are very quick. I was so temped to lock her in her room last night. I kept telling her to stay in her bed and then i kept directing her back into her bed without talking to her. She is being really mean to her sister this morning.
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Hi ladies, hope everyone had a good week. We are back from holidays. While we were away she napped for 1,5 hrs every day but had only 10'hr nights! We muddled along somehow. Now we are back and she had 11.5 hr last night, she refused her nap today!! No surprises! Let the confusing balancing act begin again!
Sabs, sorry to hear you had a tough day. How did your clock change go? It's o bright now for us at bt!
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We don't change our clock until November. It is still dark here in the am.
I think we need to do a no nap day for this girl. I am finding that she used to do 2no nap days then a nap day and this would give us good nights. Now she has done 5 nap days and nights are getting shorter and we are having at least one nw.
last night asleep by 8pm. woke at 11pm and then 6:10am. sigh.
Should i do a 45min nap today or stick with the one hour?
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Was you holiday good? I hope you got some sunshine!
How is everyone else doing?
We had no nap day no 5 yesterday, I *think* she really should have had a nap yesterday, we went shopping after lunch and she kept trying to lie down in the trolly seat. Poor girl! I had to invest in some chocolate buttons to keep her awake in the car on the way home. She was asleep by 6.30 last night and woke just before 6.30 this morning (I would have had to wake her at 6.30 anyway), she did have 2 very brief wakes, one for a dummy and the other because the cat was yowling outside her room ::). I didn't go to her the second time but did hear her saying "sshh Twinkle!"! Very cute!
She is at pre-school and the childminder today and we are going to a friend's house for tea, so she will either be happy with the distraction of playing there or too tired to cope, it could go either way! Hopefully it will be an early night again!
I think we need to do a no nap day for this girl.
Should i do a 45min nap today or stick with the one hour?
Sabs - I think the no nap day - were her nights better when you did nap/ no nap days?
Laura
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On no nap days, nights were so much better. She would give me 11.5-12hours. Now we are just stuck again. I need to get her to wake up a little later to try a no nap day. I could just ride out the OT today, but I think she will fall asleep.
Laura, she is doing amazing. do they nap in preschool.
We are still having issues with this girl staying in her bed until the groclock comes on. I have been reading a book and I really think it is SA at night time b/c she runs into my room wanting me. She was the type of girl to always play in her crib/bed until I got her in the mornings.
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So I guess we're coming on board dropping the nap. Last Friday my dd2 (2.5) slept for a good two hour nap as she has done for many many months. And Saturday she decided not to nap, and hasn't done since. It is melt down city here by dinner time, and last night she had to sit on my lap to eat as it was the only way to stop her crying. So how do you set them up for quiet time? Yesterday she emptied all her drawers and wardrobe. Today I said not to and she could read as many stories as she wanted. Which she has done, but still constantly is opening and closing the door (with babygate on). I have another baby which isn't waking at this yet, but I'm sure given time will. How long is quiet time for?
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I know a lot of 2.5year olds go through a developmental leap, so I think it may just be a phase for you.
My lo will NOT stay in her room for quiet time. Quiet time is now on the sofa. she will nap there or some days I can get her to nap in my bed.
It looks like Madison is now coming down with a cold. Fell asleep at 12:40pm, think I am going to let her sleep until 2pm. It never ends.
Please tell me that is good thing to do!
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Sabs - her pre school is from 9 to 11.30, so no sleep there!
No nap today, but a now slightly hysterical OT girl having a bath with Daddy. She will be in bed very soon!
Laura
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What a day, no nap and huge hysterics. Refused to go to bed, cried and cried (seriously OT) and the melt down after we finished bedtime story was something out of a clip from one of the kids from Supernanny. I've never ever seen her that hysterical. I'm not sure I'm cut out for this, it's making me a nervous wreck! Is it this bad for everyone when they choose to drop a nap?
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So have just gone for it now! No nap ..gulp!
Sabs taking your advice just follow her cues, so Iim putting her down for quiet time in her cot -yes she's still in her cot and will be til 12 if I have my way...lol ;D but she doesnt sleep.
I think for us short naps just dont work as she's still needs at least 6 A+ after which still leads to a short night and with a normal nap she's up til 11 at night!!
So for the last 3 nights she's done 13hrs straight ( 2 NW each night one a bit upset but both short)
Although her mood is good, she looks exhausted totally pale, although I remember when we moved to 1 nap same thing
Fingers crossed this isn't going to end in terrible tears. If it does Lolly can I swap with you for a non-spirited child for a while ;D ;D
Peanut -I'm used to that one when my LO doesnt get enough sleep (which is often!! :)) so yes I'd say its normal. Maybe bring her bedtime forward? I'm doing only a 11 hour day at the moment, and I notice it gets really out of hand around that 11 hour mark.
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We are getting 13 or 14 hr nights with no nap as long as it isn't more than 2 in a row. He woke at 6.15 this morning when dh left for work so we did 1hr nap at 11 and asleep by 7.30 this evening. He is only able to manage 10 or 11hr days with no nap. The behavior at playgroup was much better on a nap today than on no nap days. He is also spirited and can cry for 30mins if ot.this morning i know he woke tired even after a 12hr night as he cried his heart out when i told him our new double buggy wasn't coming until sat now.
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How come I can't get a 13hr night on a no nap day? :'( This girl is supposed to be my high sleep girl. ???
She has a cold, gave her a 1hr and 15min nap today. In bed at 8pm and she already got out twice. She sure looks tired but she just was trying to push my button.
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We've had a couple of great nights here, no nap, asleep by 7.20 and awake at 7.45am. So just over 12hrs and he's fine on that. Hope this carries on. He does get tired by the end of the day but with enough to distract him he can handle it.
Going away for the night on Sat, watch it all fall apart then!
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Aah..just when you think its going well with 13hr nights/no nap...quiet time..she just fell asleep at 2pm, what now? A short nap will still lead to a short night, she wont sleep b 4 9, a long nap she'll prob be up till 11... ??? ???
Going to let her have a long nap...short nap and short night I think leads to major OT,its endless... :)
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I would be tempted to do a 30min nap and EBT. I find if I can get K down before he gets tired I can prevent him getting OT and then ending up with a long day and short night. Bit late now though as I see you posted a while ago. Sleep after 2pm is a killer for us.
We got 12.5hrs last night after a 1hr nap at 11am (after 6.15 wu) and 7.30Bt. Today he woke at 8am so no nap (which was handy as we celbrated lunch for my mum's birthday) and asleep by 6.30. Am hoping for at least 7.30am in the morning. DH is working earlies though so it depends how quiet he can be when he gets up.
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Mind if I hop hop on board ladies? My DS will be 3 in November and it looks like we're starting the transition to no nap. We've been limiting his nap to an hour for a while after a phase of tough bedtimes. He's been falling asleep later and later at bedtime (typically in bed at 8 but not asleep until 8.45) but we stuck with it for the sake of keeping his nap for a while longer. Anyway, for the last few days he seems to have been doing one day on and one day off with his naps which makes me think he's getting ready to drop it altogether. My issue at the moment is that by bedtime he's in complete meltdown and then it takes ages to get him calm enough to go to bed. Tonight for example, I had his bath ready for 6.30 (aiming for a 7pm bedtime which is super early for us!) but he had a meltdown after dinner which went on for an hour so he ended up going to bed at his usual time of 8pm. Admittedly he was asleep as soon as his head hit the pillow but I'm worried we're going to end up with one seriously OT little boy if this carries on! :-[
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What time is WU Caro1? Our Bt with a nap has been 8 but not sleeping until 9pm and with no nap we aim for 6pm BT with 7.30wu. If I let it go later K is a nightmare. He has always been LSN too but it is such a big jump for them from 6hrs A to 12.
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WU varies from 6.30 - 7.15 so I guess on a no-nap day we need to be aiming for a much earlier bedtime to try to avoid the hideous meltdown? There are a couple of nights a week where this is tricky because he's at my mum's while I work and generally by the time we get home it's already 6.30. Having said that, he's still napping at mum's so might not be an issue yet! DH also reminded me that his Gro-Clock is set to come on at 6.15 (a throwback to some early wakings not so long ago) so may need to reset that to try and promote some longer mornings.
How do you manage evening mealtime when DS is going to bed super early? Do you all eat early or do you feed him and then eat later?
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Caro1 - on week nights my two eat earlier than we do. DH doesn't get home until 6pm most nights and it's too late for them to eat then, so I feed the kids around 4.30/5pm. DH takes them for a bath as soon as he gets home and does stories and puts them to bed while I cook dinner for us - they are usually asleep by the time our food is ready.
I think DD is coming down with a cold, her nose has been running like a tap today and she has a bit of a squeaky voice. Grandma and Grandpa had her after pre-school today so she actually had a nap - first time since this time last week! It did take her a bit longer to fall asleep tonight but I think it was about 7.45 she was asleep by. They don't need to be awake until around 7 tomorrow, so I hope she does sleep until at least then! We are supposed to be going swimming in the morning but I will have to see how she is!
Deb123 - If you had seen DD at bath time last night you would definitly re-think the swapping! The girl was possessed :o :o
Laura
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Personally I can't do a no nap day with a wu earlier than 7.30. With a wu of 6.30 i would be putting K down at 5.30 the very latest. He just can't manage more than 11hrs awake and tbh he is better with 10. we do get 14hr nights with that fortunately but no more than 2 days in a row then we start to get ew (shorter nights) and I throw a nap in to get back to a later wu.
We eat at 5pm (i'm on mat leave and DH works shifts so either he is home by then or not at all for dinner) here so since I don't do no nap days with a wu before than 7.30 the ealierst he goes to bed is 6pm. It is a rush and if he is really tired I might give him something on his own at 4.30 and just have a snack with him. When I was at work tbh K had his dinner before I got in at 6pm else it was just too late even with a 8pm bt by the time I cooked.
We have a groclock too and it is set according to whether he has napped and BT rather than consistently the same time. If K was sleeping at 8.45 I would be setting it at 7.15 so he would ideally get 10.5hrs at least. If he is sleeping until 6.30 at least I would definitely start setting it later.
good luck Laura.
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I got myself in a little pickle today. I thought it would be a no nap day but Madi fell asleep at 2pm so I capped it to 45mins. It is now 8pm and she has no desire of sleeping. Grrr....
for the future, if she falls asleep at 2pm again, do I cap it to 30mins?
Laura, Madi had a stomach bug on MOnday and is just getting over a cold. Sigh. It never ends here.
I am hoping for at least a 10.5hour night. Fingers crossed ladies.
On no nap days, dinner is about 4:30pm here. On nap days it is 5pm. Bath time starts at 6pm.
Caro1, when is your los b-day. Mine is Nov 11th.
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Hey sab, sorry in a rush but just wanted to say in my experience capping to 30 backfired on me big time. I would still do 45, but I guess it depends on your lo. We also have the same dinnertime routine.
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We are again in less of 10 h nights... I don't know if it is a phase (we started daycare on Monday after being sick, so it can be also adjustment to that in the first week) or he's shortening the total sleep. Naps are still 2 hours, but when occasionally he sleeps less (like 1.25-1.5 h) it doesn't seem to make any difference in the night, so I don't really know. He's much more tired in the evening when he goes to daycare, but I don't know if it could be an OT effect. I have to wait and see to figure out I guess...
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shresmummy, thanks. I will stick with a 45min nap if it falls at 2pm.
Barbara, I think daycare is playing a role here. I would give it at least one week.
Madi woke up at 6:08am, coughing. Put her back in her bed and I assumed she fell back asleep. she came out at 6:35am. That was a 10.5hour night.
If she does a no nap day today she will be in bed at 6:30pm, or else I will give her a one hour nap.
what is with these los? Why do wu times vary so much?
My body is now waking up at 6am and I can't fall back asleep as I am listening and waiting for one of my girls to wake up. It is so frustrating. I am still tired. I get drowsy, then I hear a noise and think one of them is up. Grrr.
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He was up at 6.10 this morning! That's after a no-nap day and 8pm bedtime (thanks to his meltdown - not our choice!). What's that all about?! Have managed to get him down for a nap today so he might catch up a bit hopefully.
Sabs - Ethan will be 3 on the 27th Nov. FWIW my experience of capping his nap at anything less than 45 mins has always gone spectacularly badly too. He tends to wake up and be inconsolable for ages afterwards and then still resists bedtime so I just tend to accept we're going to get a later bedtime and let him sleep 45mins to an hour. Today, I think I'm going to let him have 1hr 15 after his short night (I will no doubt live to regret it ::) )
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Yes, daycare is definitely playing a role. My mum today picked him up after lunch (at 1.30 pm) and she drove to her house: he did not fall asleep in the car (sometime does, sometime not) and my mum says he was happily speaking during the way. Then she put him down at 2 and it took almost one hour for him to fall asleep!!! :o And he was tired for sure, as it was up from well before 7 am (although he stayed in bed till 8, waiting for the sun). ??? Probably he was so OT and so exited for the EW and the morning at daycare that he couldn't really sleep. I think that his bad sleep is due to the excitement to be at the daycare, it should be much more tiring for him than to stay at home and he needs to get use to it.
So... what do I do now? Let him sleep till 4-4.30 (normally he sleeps 2-4) and give him the normal BT at 9, or let him catch up until 5 (he fell asleep at 3), if he sleeps, and going with a later BT at 9.30? Do you think that the last option would give the chance to reset him and bring him to his normal wu time at 8? Tomorrow is Friday so I can let him sleep longer in the morning.
P.S. I also think that in theory 45 min nap would work best, as it is more one sleep cycle. However, I never tried to wake him at this mark.
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Barbara, I wouldn't personally go later then 4:30pm. Will he go down with an earlier bt?
Thanks ladies for your opinion.
Carol, how long was his day yesterday? Madi does max 12hours. I have yet to try 11.5hours.
I don't know where my 7am wu went. Seriously, she is driving me mad!!!
Normally with a 1hr nap, she can do 6hrs of A time. I thought with a 45min nap, 5hrs and 15/5.5hrs should be enough. I wonder if this morning's wu was an OT wu or due to her cough!
I am laying down with her atm, hoping she will fall asleep by 1pm.
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At the end I let 5 pm. I know it's late but my gut says that he really needs to catch up or I only increase OT here. I really hope he can reset tomorrow morning. Hoping the new week goes better!
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Sabs I really sympatize with you. When F has ew I also wake up soon in the morning worrying he wakes up early. Mum instinct, I guess...
I am afraid that we have to live with these short nights until the nap has really gone :(
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I agree! You know your lo better then anyone.
Madi fell asleep at 1pm. Going to wake her up at 2pm. Not looking forward to her pesky mood when I wake her.
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Seems like these toddlers are keeping things interesting for us!
DD had an ok night, she woke a couple of times so had a good dose of meds at the first waking in case it was her sore throat. I decided she needed a nap today but she had other ideas and totally refused it. We picked DS up from school, she then had a total meltdown because her dummies were in her bed. I took her up to get one and left her for a couple of mins to calm down - big mistake! By the time I went back to her 5 mins later she was out cold ::). So she had a 45 min cat nap, I woke her at 4.30 - I think the chances of her going to sleep before 9pm are quite slim! I'm just hoping she will sleep until at least 7am tomorrow!
Hope everyone has a peaceful night and a lie in!
Laura
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