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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: scucci1979 on September 15, 2011, 18:27:48 pm
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Wondering if I can get some comfort from those los are lo sleep needs.
DD1 was a very high sleep need baby and toddler and would always give me 3hour naps. To this day if I let her sleep, she would still nap for three hours. DD2 on the other hand, does give me decent nights with the odd nw here and there but her naps are just blah! When she transitioned to one nap at 12.5months she would give me delicious 2.5hour naps and now they are down to 1.5-2hrs. She is a pretty happy girl and can go all day without a nap-until she passes out. She is spirited when it comes to sleep and I could be missing her window when it comes to bt. Normally, when I put her down for bed or nap, she goes down like a breeze, but lately for bed she is chatting a while. I don't mind the chatting b/c she does fall asleep independently. Anyhow, I am just wondering is a 1.5hour nap enough for a one nap, especially for a 13month old? this is all new to me and am frazzled by it b/c DD1 never gave me these short naps. Also, I would say I still have to extend her nap 4 times out of the week. ???
here is how the last few days have gone:
Tues
wu 6:45pm
nap 12-2pm
bed 7:30pm but didn't fall asleep until 7:45pm
Wed
wu 6:40am
nap 12:10-2:10pm
bed 7:30pm didn't fall asleep until 7:50pm
nw 4:30pm for a cuddle. didn't want pain meds.. kept spitting them out.
Today wu 6:50am
nap 12:05pm-1:45pm didn't want to go back down
aiming for a 7pm bt b/c I don't think she will have a cn.
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my lo is almost 16 months and been on one nap a day since 13 months. at first it took us awhile to get into some nice long naps but now im lucky if he sleeps 1.5 hrs!!! he looks so tired but just wont sleep any longer than this. i dont think he needs a huge amount of day sleep say 2 or 2.5. A has always been like this.
HTH
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Which one of the naps up there did you extend?
I can only speak from a Finn perspective, he needed a longer A time for a longer nap. Now at this age it seems to be the opposite! If she's not in pain at the NW they could be UT NW. Just a thought :)
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Hi! I have a low sleep needs toddler too. If she sleeps more than 1 hr. 45 min. she will barely give me a 10 hour night!! From the very first day she transitioned to one nap her usual nap is 1.5 or even 1 hr 20 minutes and she's good to go. I drove myself crazy trying to extend naps or nights but once I let her do her own thing, she settled on these 1.5hr naps and 10.5/11 hr nights. We are both much happier just letting it be. Also, she seems to now every other week extend her night a bit to make up for any OT - I guess sort of self-regulating?
Anyway, hope that brings you a little comfort...at least the knowledge that you aren't the only one getting 1.5 hour naps!
(My LO is now 18 months, but has been doing these 1.5 hr naps since 13 mths. AND if I'm being perfectly honest, we've been more like 1 hr 20/1 hr 15 for the last 2 weeks...)
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sorry i posted earlier but im meant to ask when your lo's dont take a long nap did you try early b/times? my lo has been up half the night and wondered if its b/cos ive put him to his bed early and really needs his usual 5.5hrs A time.
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DD went to 1 nap at around 11 months. Her MAX is 1.5hrs..(usually 1 hour) any more and we get NWs. She has been on the same naps since then. She is full of beans, so smart and happy as can be most of the day. She asks for a nap early if she wakes early and usually has 11 hour nights.
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Sabs, both my kids are low sleep needs. At least that meant I was more prepared for it with DD, with DS I kept trying to get him to sleep more and it just didn't work! I'm more on top of it this time round...
Anyway, DD is 14months now and went to 1 nap at 10months, probably should have been earlier as her naps were awful up to that point. After she transitioned we were getting 1hr40mins naps for a couple of months until she started cutting back again. Our routine is now like this:
WU: 7/7.15am
Nap: 1-1.45pm
Bed: 7.15pm
Until this week we were doing a 1hr nap and but wake-ups were creeping earlier again so I capped a little more and now she's back sleeping to 7am. She was also shouting out between sleep cycles in her nap so I knew a tweak was needed.
She's always done short naps and any time I've tried extending them it just eats into her night. I wonder if your NW's could be UT from extending her naps? :-\
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ETA: Just thinking that I was constantly chopping DS's nap from 10-15months and then he stayed with roughly the same nap length (1hr-1hr15mins) until he dropped it a year later. Really hope the same happens with DD or she'll have no nap at all soon! But I'd rather a short nap than a short night...
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At that age F was:
Awake 5:30/6
Nap 12-2:30/3
Bedtime asleep by 7
Pretty much only got 10.5 at night, sometimes 10. It was tough going there for a loooong time.
On weekends we'd move his nap back to 11:30 and he'd usually do 3 hrs.
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right now we are like this:
Awake: any time between 6-7 am
Nap: 1-2,2:30,3 (she could wake @ any of these time and be super happy)
Bed: 7:15/7:30
Today she went down at 12 oclock for nap b.c she desperately wanted to. She even climbed into the crib by herself! So I will see what thats gonna bring me lol
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TBH I don't know if the nws are UT or OT or just wanting a cuddle. After yesterday's nap,I gave her her usual 5.5hour A and she gave me a 12hour night.
She can easily do 5.5hours in the am, but lately by the 5hr and 10min mark, she starts to fuss telling me she wants to go to sleep. ??? She has never given me a 3 hour nap. the most it has been was 2.5hours and that was the beginning of the transition. I was thinking of pushing her nap out a little but is is already at 12/12:15pm and I don't want to do a bt after 8pm.
As for which days I had to extend, it was Tues and WEd. Spoke to soon. Have to go extend her nap right now. She was asleep by 12:15pm and woke up at 1:30pm.
I too would rather have short naps then nws but I am just trying to figure out her nws as she is having at least 2 nws a week.
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I think maybe her nap is a little early and that's why you're having to extend. If you push it out just a bit to 12.30 you should be able to keep a 7.30 bedtime. Would that work? :-\
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That would work but if it is at 12:30pm, I would have to cap it to 2hours to keep bt the same. I am a little hesitant to push out that nap right now as she fusses right around the 5.5hr A mark in the am. ::)
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How is she doing now? The fussing could be more that her body clock is used to napping at that time rather than she really needs it at that time. It might be that you'd get a better nap if you pushed her on a little. It's hard to know.
I agree that you'd need to cap it at two hours to keep a decent bedtime, maybe even less if she continues to chat at bedtime and NW.
Hope things are going well! x
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I am so confused b/c I don't know if I am entering that nap cutting territory.
No nws this week but two days so far she has woke up at 6:15am. One of those days she had a cold so I won't count that one.
She is chatting more at bt where before she would go down so easily. I put her down and she stands right back up wanting to play.
here is yesterday:
wake 6:50am
nap 12-2:10pm (unusual for her)
bed 7:30pm but didn't fall asleep until 7:45pm. She was laughing in her crib.
woke up at 6:15am this am wanting out of her room.
today I plan to keep nap time the same. I am expecting an OT nap.
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That does sound like UT at bedtime last night after that good nap. Personally, once I figured out both mine were low sleep needs I never let them nap longer than 2hrs, otherwise we'd get bedtime antics and EW (and NW with DS). But honestly, from what you're posting it really looks like she needs even less than that if you want later wake-ups.
Best of luck for today!
K
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i hope you dont mind if i tag along here, ive posted a couple of times but im getting a bit lost with A's sleeping just now. i know he doesnt need alot of day sleep but only a few times has he STTN with low day sleep. just need to figure it all out!
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tag along and ask questions.
I am so confused about bt now. Really, I don't know why she doesn't go down instantly as she used to. do I have to put her down earlier for her to wd in her crib? A is normally 5.5hours after her pm nap but lately is is creeping towards 6hrs and am thinking this is giving us our ews. then again, not sure if these wakings are UT or OT.
today
wake 6:15am
nap 11:55am-1:40pm
in bed at 7:15pm, think she fell asleep by 7:25pm.
Don't know what time she will wake up tomorrow.
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I think OT. She woke up 20mins as her cough was bothering her and couldn't settle. sigh.
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i think she sounds UT.
i used to take A up to his bed at the 5hr mark. it took him 30 mins to get to sleep, now ive just let him sleep 1hr 15-30mins he goes to sleep within 10-15mins at b/time. the only thing i cant workout is we still get NW'S ???
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I am so confused about bt now. Really, I don't know why she doesn't go down instantly as she used to. do I have to put her down earlier for her to wd in her crib? A is normally 5.5hours after her pm nap but lately is is creeping towards 6hrs and am thinking this is giving us our ews. then again, not sure if these wakings are UT or OT.
It is confusing. I don't think it's as straightforward as OT or UT. For us it was both! If the nap was too long we'd get UT at bedtime so bedtime would be pushed out but then the day would be too long so we'd get OT too. I know a long nap and a later bedtime works for some toddlers but it never did with DS as his night's would be unsettled. It was like he needed a 12hr night to avoid OT and he needed a capped nap to get that 12hr night, so that's what we had to do. Timing of the nap was also critical for him in avoiding OT, he's always been a tricky one ::) DD needs even less sleep but is less sensitive to OT so she's a bit easier.
Babyrose, what does your LO's routine look like? What age is he now?
K x
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hi KDee, A is 16 months and we usually only have one NW, on the very rare occasion does he STTN :'(
Our routine went yesterday
6:10 awake
6:40 bfast & milk
8:30 small snack
10:45 lunch
11:50 sleep (1hr 15) he was supposed to be sleeping by 11:40
14:30 snack
18:40 b/feed & bed again supposed to be 18:20
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wake up at 6am this boring. Got her back down for 10mins but that was it. She didn't nap that well yesterday so am not sure what wu this was.
What do I aim for, a two hour nap with the same A for a while and if that doesn't work move bt out a little? Then cap nap as a last resort?
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do you do set naps or just c how things go?
do you let your lo's sleep a certain amount of time everyday?
ive been giving A roughly the same amount of sleep for about a wk now and dont c any difference, should i up his A time or less sleep?
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Boo Sabs. Yes, I think I'd do a 2hr nap at 12/12.30-2/2.30pm and see how she gets on.
Babyrose, I think A's nap is coming in a little early. If it's only 1hr 15mins I think you need to make sure it's later in the day so he's not OT by bedtime. When DS was on 1hr 15min nap he had it at 1-2.15pm with bedtime around 7.15pm. With the early nap it will be hard to break the early bed/EW cycle. The NW could also be OT from a long afternoon. How are you dealing with the NW at the moment?
Yes, I've done set naps successfully with both my LO's and capped them at the same length every day and then tweaked them as their sleep needs changed as they get older. It's really worked and kept them sleeping solidly at night.
HTH!
x
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huge help thanks ;D so i could maybe add 10 mins to his day and then keep the short 1hr 15 min sleep. set an alarm aswell to make WU time the same?
how often did you have to put up your lo's A time?
im not very good with NW'S i bring him in beside us, i made an attempt last night but failed :(
it doesnt really help that we live in a 1 bedroom house but thankfully moving nxt month to a 2 bedroom :D
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I have noticed that once they hit 12months, the A times stay consistent for a while.
Don't feel bad that you bring him beside you. No one will judge you. you have to do whatever it takes to get some more sleep. :-*
I am going to put her down a little earlier this morning as I think she needs to catch up. She normally doesn't give me a two hour nap. It is normally 1hr and 45-55mins. ::) Am I correct in thinking that I don't think she needs ore A to bed? I think 6hrs is quite long. 5.5hours is normally her max. I am going to blame teeth.
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ive been trying to write this post for ages! i felt like ive always had to put A's A time up to get him to have a good day sleep, which he did for awhile then the long naps just stopped.
i dont think i am getting anymore sleep! he is such a wriggler ::)
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We've got the 2 yr molars coming and all I can say is that they are toying with our sleep big time. Some days I don't know which way is up lol
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in bed last night by 7:30am, woke up at 6am and I had to AP her back to sleep. Going to stick with the two hour nap for a little more then reevaluate.
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KDee, when you said When DS was on 1hr 15min nap he had it at 1-2.15pm with bedtime around 7.15pm. what A time on and how old was your lo?
im going to have a look at A's old notes and c if i can spot anything the same when he STTN.
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My little one just turned two doesn't nap at all now and is happy all day long n sleeps the night til about 8amtho she isliw sleep needs and handles being tired well ...she has no time for sitting still.
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i think ive spotted something! when A has a 10-10.5 hr day taking away his naps and a long A time b4 bed it seems he does STTN its only happened a few times so im hoping this is it!
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it doesn't hurt to try.
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need some advice. The last two mornings I had to AP her back to sleep as she was waking at 6am. This was with a two hour nap. She didn't resist bt. Today I put her down for her nap at her usual time (5hrs and 25min of A time) and she just freaked out. She couldn't settle. Obviously, this resorted to an OT nap so she napped from 12:30-1:30pm. She couldn't settle, was freaking out, arching her back, screaming. I suspect pain! Anyhow, i took her out and when she was then happy.
What bt would you do with a one hour nap? normally bt is 7:30pm. Do i aim for a 5min cn?
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someone suggested to me, just take away what they didnt sleep. so if your lo should have slept for 2 hrs but only slept for 1 then go for a 6:30 b/tme instead of 7:30. i hope that makes sense!
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Makes sense.
I took 30mins off instead and she was asleep by 7pm, but she had a nw from 4-5am. Then from 5-7am I had to settle her twice. I have noticed that she wants me to settle her by cuddling her. she will fall asleep instantly on me but when I put her back down in the crib she just wakes up and cries. I had to do pu a few times this morning.
I don't know if I should consider the 4am an EW?
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i would go with EW aswell, do you find that maybe she was UT?
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i don't think she was UT, especially with a 1hr nap! I don't know! She has been very fussy and clingy today. I am thinking her molars are shifting.
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I think we are teething here. She woke up from her nap at the 45min mark, screaming, wiggling. She kept body slamming against the mattress, like she couldn't get comfortable. That doesn't sound OT does it?
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A has been very clingy the last few days,but has a front tooth on the way. ive just noticed he has a secret back molar hiding!! when A went on to 1 nap he used to give a 2or 2.5 nap, but today we had the longest sleep which was 1hr 40 in ages! im starting to think he is UT and thats whats causing our NW'S.
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sounds like teething, A has been like this the last few days waking up screaming and very upset.
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funny. She has also been doing this the last few days. :'(
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i dont like teething. it must be hrrible for them. :-[