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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: Daisy8680 on December 01, 2011, 16:07:02 pm
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DD just turned 8month old and, since last week, she has been waking up every half hour, one and half hour or three hours. If i hold her, she would fall back to sleep and wake up half an hour later. She never SSTN. So I decided to try pupd.
Last night was the first night. 45 minutes after she went to bed, she woke up and it took me a good two hours and more than 30 pups to get her fall in sleep. 1am she woke up and I thought she would be hungry, so I nursed her and she fell back to sleep. 3:20am she woke again. This time took me an hour and half and a dozen of pups. She finally woke up around 7. My questions are:
Should I feed her at 1am or try pupd at that time as well? I have been night feeding all this 8 months and so think to keep the night feeding to a minimum. But would feeding confuse her because other wakings she doesn't get a feeding?
I am afraid she would lose her voice tomorrow if I keep pupd tonight. Would her voice be OK?
Thanks in advance for any advice and suggestions.
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Hi there,
First off I would not worry about her voice too much:) Second at 8mo she should be just fine with no night feedings, possibly a dream feed if solid food is not a regular in her diet yet. PU/PD at 8mo is going to be a little harder than PU/PD at 4-5mo so it may take a few weeks to get things going in the right direction. I would suggest doing the following:
1)Establish a good bedtime routine and a sleepy phrase ie: "Good night I will see you when the sun comes up" After that you place her in her crib with her paci/lovie or whatever she uses to go to sleep, and leave the room.
2) When she starts to cry/the first time she wakes up pause for a min to make sure that its not a mantra cry, and wait a min to see if she can settle herself. If after a min or so she is still crying and its the "i need you cry" go in and place your hand on her back and say the sleepy phase over again. If this is not working after about 5min or so start using the PU/PD.
3) Remember to leave the room as soon as she is semi calm, and to go back in as soon as she starts crying again(real cry) this will involve A LOT of you going in and out of the room! Depending on her personality it could take up to 10 days to see results but usually you will see a difference in 3-5 days :) Good luck if you have any questions let me know.
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Hi there,
First off I would not worry about her voice too much:) Second at 8mo she should be just fine with no night feedings, possibly a dream feed if solid food is not a regular in her diet yet. PU/PD at 8mo is going to be a little harder than PU/PD at 4-5mo so it may take a few weeks to get things going in the right direction. I would suggest doing the following:
1)Establish a good bedtime routine and a sleepy phrase ie: "Good night I will see you when the sun comes up" After that you place her in her crib with her paci/lovie or whatever she uses to go to sleep, and leave the room.
2) When she starts to cry/the first time she wakes up pause for a min to make sure that its not a mantra cry, and wait a min to see if she can settle herself. If after a min or so she is still crying and its the "i need you cry" go in and place your hand on her back and say the sleepy phase over again. If this is not working after about 5min or so start using the PU/PD.
3) Remember to leave the room as soon as she is semi calm, and to go back in as soon as she starts crying again(real cry) this will involve A LOT of you going in and out of the room! Depending on her personality it could take up to 10 days to see results but usually you will see a difference in 3-5 days :) Good luck if you have any questions let me know.
thanks for your reply. she only took about 8 oz formula, 12-14 oz solids and two feeds of breastfeeding in a day. Is it nearly enough for her age? I am afraid that if i cut out the night feeding, she would be hungry. If I df, should it be around 10? Also we are sleeping in the same room in different beds. Do I need to leave the room completely or can I stay in?
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No she is getting plenty of food during the day, most NW at this age are out of habit. If you giver her food at night she will eat it but its not out of need. Kind of like our version of a mid night snack. So she is getting 4 feeds and solids during the day right? If you are sleeping in the same room I would leave during the day when she is napping but at night you are going to want to sleep in your bed. Being in the same room def makes it much harder bc she knows your right there. Is it possible that she could have her own room?
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Hi I can see you have been getting great advice here, just wanted to post this link... http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=208990.0
It outlines exactly how to do PU/PD for each age group. Seeing as your DD is 8 months old you would actually try to limit the PU part and it is more just PD if/when she stands or pulls up in the cot. HTHs.
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she is not pulling up yet. I read the article already and just have some questions. I can only get her eat 4 oz formula or 4 oz solids at one feeding. She does not take both solids and formula in the 2 and half hours she is awake. Does that mean she has a smaller stomachÉ
I actually really enjoy sleeping with her in the same room and kind of worry about her throughout the night if we are in different rooms. That is why we are together. Do I have to be in a different room while doing pupdÉ
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Durning the nap I would try being in a different room but at night its compleatly up to you, its a personal choice and everyone is different so I say do what makes you feel comfortable:)
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Totally agree it is a personal choice hun. Some would say that you may disturb your DD during the night when you move, make noises, etc in your sleep and this can cause NW, but if you are happiest with her in your room then that is what is best for you both.
With your DD not pulling up you would carry out PU/PD for the 6-8 month adaptation.
As for your DD only taking small amounts for her feeds, can you post your EASY, including when she eats solids and has milk feeds and approx amounts too? Do you feel that she is genuinely hungry when she wakes in the night?
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Thanks for the advice. Last night was the 6th night of pupd. She still woke up every 2 hours or so but I only had to pupd once every time and she went back to sleep. I fed her around 11pm. Should I still pupd if she nw now since I only had to do it once or just let her cry and put a hand on her back? There was no light in the room, most of the time her eyes are closed when nw. How would she know to open her arms for me to pick her up?
Her days depend on her naps. Some times she has two naps and some times three naps. But totally 3 hour naps in a day. Yesterday went like this:
Wake up: 6:15/
E:7:30 4oz formula
A: 6:15 to 9:00
S: 9:00 to 10:00
E: 11:00 5 oz solids
A: 10:00 to 1:00
S: 1:00 to 2:00
E: 3:10 4.5 oz formula
A: 2:00 to 4:45
S: 4:45 to 5:30
E: 6:10 5 oz solids
A: 5:30 to 7:45
bed time routine: 7:45 to 8:30
S: 8:30 didn't fast sleep until 9
Woke up this morning at 6:10. I tried to give her formula when she wakes up from naps and offer solids two hours later but she would only take several spoonful and started to spit the food out.
Thanks very much for any suggestion or advice.
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Sounds like you are making great progress. Sorry it has taken a while to get back to you,my DD is not well at the minute. Will be back soon when she is better to look at your EASY. How are things going now?
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Ok hun looking at your EASY I think that you could do with slowly trying to push that first A time out to 3hrs and see if that will lengthen the first nap to 1.5hr. I think that the CN so late in the day at your LOs age could also be causing NW. I know it is hard with shorter naps but I would try to make it shorter if you have to give it. The spacing of bottles and solids seems fine. Have you seen the sample routines in the FAQ section on the EASY board? Can't post a link as I am on my phone! That would give you some ideas of what you are aiming for. When you feed at 11pm is it a DF or is DD waking for this?
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Hope your DD feels better now/
I tried to get DD only take two naps a day and she went to bed around 6/7 those several days and woke up around 9pm, 12am for feeding. One night she slept until 6am and last night she slept until 5am. Then she started to toss and turn for around 2 hours until she finally woke up. In those two hours, she could only slept 15 minutes at a time and sucks on her thumb and turn on her tummy for a while. Does this mean she is hungry around 5am? I am afraid that, if I nurse her at this time, she wont take her breakfast. Should I try to increase oz for her daytime meals gradually? I tried one time: give her an extra oz two hours after her morning feed, she took it. But she took one less oz on her following feeding after waking up from nap. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
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Hi if she is tossing and turning but not crying I would leave her, she is learning to self settle and that is great! As for feeding her do you watch her cues? What I mean is that maybe she is not hungry enough when you begin a feed, I am only guessing since I don't know you guys but it could be that adding a half hour between feed times will make the whole thing go much smoother. What do you think?
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Hi still following along. Totally agree with PP about the self settling, if she isn't crying leave her to it and don't jump in. If she was very hungry she would cry to let you know.
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last two nights were terrible as DD was up every two hours before midnight and every hour after 3am. I didn't change her routine at all. Would she be hungry at night? I used to feed her twice but those two nights I feed her three times. However, in the daytime, after her formula feed, she would be hungry again around 1 hour and half later. She doesn,t like her milk as she would only take half of her formula in the morning. So I am confused as whether she is hungry or just tired of her formula. Should I try to offer her more formula or just give her solids instead? I am worried that she only take 8oz formula in the daytime and around 5-6oz during the night, which is way less than 24oz of minimum milk intake for her age.
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Up until one year old milk is still the main source of food, with solids being more about getting them used to new tastes, textures, etc. has your DD always been fussy with her milk? I doubt that she is fed up with it, but I guess it could happen. Have you tried offering more solids? Is she doing well with them and interested in eating more?
At a guess I would suspect something else is going on here. Any teething going on ATM? My DD always goes off her milk and food when teething or if she is coming down with an illness. The frequent NW could well be from pain of teeth too yk?
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she takes her solids well. Actually she prefers solids than formula now. This morning, she would not finish her 5oz milk (left around 1 and half oz in the bottle) but took around 2oz solids. Yesterday I tried to give her only formula when she was hungry but she would not take it at all. Should I starve her so that she would take more formula?
Another question is for her night feedings. I suspect that because I am not consistent with her nighttime wakings, sometimes feed her and sometimes pupd. So she is confused. But I don.t want to cut out nf because she doesn,t take enough milk during the day. How could I nf and at the same time make her sleep longer? I post her daytime routine below and could you see if any problem with that?
Wake up: 6:30am
E: 7:30 5oz formula (left 1 and half oz) and 2 oz solids at 8:30
A: 6:30 to 9:20
S: 9:20 to 10:50
E: 11:20 2 oz formula and 5 oz solids at 12:30pm
A: 10:50 to 2:15
S: 2:15 to 3:45
E: 4:15 5oz formula (left 2oz) and 4.5 oz solids at 5:30
A: 3:45 to 7:20
BT: 7:20.
Woke up every two hours. Fed her upon waking at 9:45pm and 2:40am. Should I cut out 2:40 feedng?
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Will be back later when I have longer to look at your routine hun. Just wanted to say though that as long as your DD is getting food (solids or milk) then don't worry too much, if she prefers solids then go with that. You can't force her to drink milk and she will take what she wants. Certainly don't starve her to try to get her to drink more milk though.
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Ok hun looking at your EASY it looks pretty good, only thing that I do wonder is if the last A time to BT is a little long at just over 3.5 hrs. Average for an 8 mo is 3 hrs and 3.5 hrs for a 9 mo. Just thinking that this might be making your DD OT by BT causing the frequent NW. Have you tried an earlier BT, say 7pm?
As for feeding in the night I agree that it is probably a good way of getting more milk into your DD so if you are happy to still feed in the night by all means carry on. Do you not feed your DD milk before BT? I wonder if she would take a bottle as part of your WD routine (not feeding to sleep!) but so that she has a fill before bed. My DD always had, and still does have milk before bed.
In terms of confussing your DD it is important to be consistent yes, but if you choose a time that you will not feed before and use PU/PD until this time then your DD will soon understand that if she does wake before that time she won't get fed. So if her last feed is at 7pm, you could decide not to feed before midnight, for example, and then not again before 5am. Or whatever times you think are appropriate, if you only want to do one NF you could maybe not feed before 1am and then not again until morning. Only you can decide this really. What is important is that for the other NW you use shush/pat or PU/PD to resettle your DD. Does that make sense?
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I will try limit her last A before BT around 3hrs tonight and see how it goes. I do feed her before BT but she doesn,t take much in that feeding. For now, for her nw, I just need to pupd once if she cries and she can put herself back to sleep. How can I let her not to wake up at all?
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All you can do is keep being consistent with the PU/PD and she will eventually get the message hun. You are making great progress and once your DD can self settle on her own without needing the PU/PD then hopefully the NW will stop.
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Thank you for the great advice. I will keep working on it and hopefully DD will stop her nw soon. :)
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Good luck and keep us posted.