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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: eshea on February 28, 2012, 03:24:02 am
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Hi ladies,
My almost 10 mth old STTN for the first time ever last week - and he did it for 3 nights in a row. On the 4th night he woke twice at his old usual times (I was expecting this) but has since woken once each night. I'm wondering about how long regression lasts? Maybe I should do something to remind him how glorious it was when he slept from 7-6:30?
Thanks!
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Can you post your EASY hun?
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Sure - things seem to be in flux again these days:
awake 6 or 6:30
BF around 7
solids at 8
morning nap 9:45/10 (somedays he lets me know, others he doesn't seem tired and maybe gets 30 min. It's also on the go a lot with my toddler)
BF around 11
solids at 12
afternoon nap 1:30/2 (can be hour and a half to two hours)
BF after nap
solids around 5:30
bedtime routine, BF, in bed around 7 or so
I struggle to keep him awake during the BF at night. I know it's a bad habit to let him fall asleep on me and not have him put himself to sleep.
Thanks!
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I struggle to keep him awake during the BF at night. I know it's a bad habit to let him fall asleep on me and not have him put himself to sleep.
This is the BT BF or are you feeding in the night at NW?
Your routine actually looks pretty good. I would try to keep that AM nap at no longer than 45mins. You are def hitting the 2-1 :P
At the NW is he waking at the same time, or randomly?
Does your LO have any props or comfort items - paci, lovey etc
How do you settle at the NW.
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The BF I was referring to is at BT. Last night I made sure he was awake when done and then I still read a book and he went down just fine. He had had a 2.5 hr nap in the afternoon, so definitely wasn't OT at bedtime.
The NW used to be pretty regular - 11 and 2:30ish - before the STTN. Now it's pretty random. Might be hungry? Last night he woke at 12:15ish and then 2:30 (this one sounded like he was uncomfortable).
He isn't attached to a lovey although I do give him one and leave it in his crib. He's never seem to taken to it. He doesn't use a paci or suck his fingers. The only prop is that I BF him when we wakes at night!!! Perhaps I just need to quit it.
I was dreading when we got to the 2-1 mark. I'll make a note not to let the morning nap go too long (which is hasn't lately).
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The only prop is that I BF him when we wakes at night!!! Perhaps I just need to quit it.
I found at this age they start to get more aware and put up more of a fight for what they want. I wouldnt be surprsed if you are feeding at NWs that he is waking and needing a BF to get back to sleep.
When we got into this pickle I first only fed if it was after 12, then cut both out. DH did other NWs as I struggled to hold off, and it seemed harder on Z to have the breast there, but that he couldnt have it.
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I know I need to recruit DH to help. It is harder when I'm in but saying "you can't have me!"
So you're thinking the NW are just habitual, and the BF is his prop? I shouldn't have fed him after those first three STTNs. We might have been over this by now!
So today he had a great afternoon nap (about 2 1/2 hrs) but had a heck of a time getting down for bed at 6:50/7ish. I am hoping for a good night with only 1 or no NW.
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I suspect the Bf is becoming a prop yes, ESP at this age where he really doesn't need it for food.
Good luck for tonight :-*
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It was hard! For some reason he woke around 10:50 (prob. result of the bad BT) and DH did PD for about an hour. My boy conked out for 15 min, woke for another round of PD, and then slept until morning.
I capped his morning nap at 45 min. and it made it tough getting him down for the afternoon nap - I did PD for an hour but made it through! He's still sleeping and I hope hope hope we can clear this up quickly. The only problem is that we're going on a short vacation for the weekend. I have no clue how he'll sleep in a new place (it was terrible when we traveled in December). Would you suggest just going with the flow for a few days and getting back on track (for good) when we return?
Thanks for the help - I needed someone to tell me to just stop the BF at night!
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Hugs :-*
IIWM I would forget about sleep training while away. It will just stress you all out. It certainly was a mess when we went away and St was out of the question! Then when you get home, come up with a plan :D I'm happy to help you. I do think the Bf at NWis causing a bit of a prop issue. I neve had a BF prop with Z then all off sudden around this age after a teething and sickness spell where I fed he was waking for it ::) I went with it for a while but in the end once we stopped it he came round pretty quickly. DH did have to be involved and I was his support person, and itwas hard, but we knew Z was well at the time, and that it was just frustration that he couldn't have what he wanted and needed KWIM?
Have a read of this...and let me know if you think either process would work for you, DH and DS.
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=208990.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=46907.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=52857.0
You could always try W2S too for the earlier NW if it's usually at the same time each night
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=121269.0
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thanks. We will be starting to get back on track when we get home tomorrow. I will use your help!
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Hi,
Last night was our first night back from vacation. I didn't know what to expect, since C slept a lot in the car driving home. However, he was so OT from the weekend the naps were good! My plan was to just follow his lead on our first night back. I knew it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it had been when we were away (and all in the same room).
He easily fell asleep at 7 but woke at 9:00. I did PD (enter his room, lay him down from his sitting position, tell him his phrase, and left the room) for about 20 min. I don't stay in his room b/c I've noticed he will calm down easier without me there. He did cry a lot but I would give him a few minutes before going back in (not sure if that's a wise idea or not).
He woke at 2:15ish and I fed him. He then woke at 5:30 (I'm assuming an OT early morning, but I could be wrong). I fed him but he didn't go back to sleep - he played in his crib until DH pulled him around 6:30 to start the day. I BF him at 7 to get us back on our usual EASY routine.
I read your links and I think I prefer the PD method since I've done that before with my DD (I just did it with her a lot earlier and was too lazy/sleepy to be consistent with my son).
We don't have any overnights for many months and I have the week off from work. My gut tells me to stop all feedings, but my heart feels like that's not fair since I was the one to create the prop in the first place.
What do you think? Thanks for the help!
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I would see how he is the next few days and if you can,get him caught up on any OT.
If he isn't crying for you, but giving a mantra cry then it's okay to leave the room. Ie PD/WO but if it escalates you need to go Back in. I also found at this age staying in the too with DS OS him.
I would say just go 1 feed, but this may confuse at this age. It may be best to drop all of them, especially if you feel he isn't really taking much, but is more using the breast to settle. :-\
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Hi - wanted to give you an update. Two nights ago he woke around 10 and DH did PD for 1.5 hrs before the baby fell back asleep. He woke at 5, I fed him, and he went back to sleep until morning time. Last night he woke around 10 again but it only took 20 min of PD and then he slept until 6:30! I think we're on the right track. He had great naps today but I still don't know what to expect tonight. Whatever happens I know I won't feed him and we will survive.
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Great work. Sometimes there is regression around day 5 or so but I think he will be just fine :)
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Things have been going well! We haven't had a night feeding for almost a week now, and when he does wake at night he can resettle himself. We've had a few EW and I think it's on the days he's asleep closer to 7 than 6:40ish. We also had daylight savings so we've all been adjusting.
Every now and then we're getting short afternoon naps, though. I have been waking him at 45 min from the AM nap and then putting him down for the PM nap always around the same time. He chats for a bit and then goes to sleep, but wakes quite unhappy around 45/50 min. If I try PD he refuses and I end up pulling him close to 3 for a BF. Do you suspect this is b/c he's closing in on the 2 to 1 nap switch? I try for an earlier BT on these days, but I wonder if I should try capping the AM nap even more? I hate to lose that 45 min. to get life put away around the house!! BUT - I do love the 2hr afternoons when both kids are down. :) Just wondering what your take might be.
Thanks for the support with the night waking. It feels so good to know we taught him something so valuable as falling asleep on his own.
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Great news on the nights. What is your EASY like ATM? I suspect he is just a touch UT or OT for that PM nap ;)
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Our EASY is sort of
6/6:30 he wakes up, talking
7 BF
8 solids
9:45/10 nap (we cap at 45 min from when he falls asleep)
11 BF
12 solids
1:30/45 nap (let him sleep as long as he wants)
BF after the nap (might be 3, might be 4)
5:45ish solids
BT routine, trying for BT at 6:30 if the PM nap was short, otherwise it's around 7
Same EASY as we've been working with. So hard to find the magical moment for a good long nap!
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COuld be OT, I would def try reducing that second A time 15 mins first and see if he sleeps more soundly...if not then maybe you need an A increase OR to cap that AM nap at 30mins :-\ How old is he now?
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10 months - today's afternoon nap was about 1 1/2 hrs, so much better. I put him down around the same time but his morning nap had been earlier so it was a bit longer A time. He was a little more cranky, so I think he was good and tired. He also went down still earlier for bed tonight and had no problems. I think I'll see if increasing that second A time works for now.
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Great arvo :)
Let me know how you get on tomorrow with that longer A :)
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Ah, that didn't go so well! I forgot that Wednesday is Library day, so my DH takes the two kids to story time. My baby slept out and about for about 30 min my DH said, from 10:15-10:45. I should have put him down later for his nap but he was crabby yesterday. He had a short one again, but easy BT and great night.
Today he had about 30 min. morning nap again and I def. pushed his A time too much. He was so OT for nap that he cried and cried bloody murder. He fell asleep 1 hr after I tried to get him down and I know it won't be too restful. Looks like we're in for an early BT!
Hopefully tomorrrow we can get this sorted out a bit - I have to remember that if he has that shorter am nap I need to not lengthen his A time - but keep to our usual old naptime. I'll see if that helps.
Thanks for your support!
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Hugs, you can even bring the nextvA forward if you think he needs a shorter A after a shorter nap ;)
Good luck for today
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Today's nap is going better - morning was short, so A time was just 3 hrs. He passed the 1 hr mark so that's good. I'll keep my eyes on the clock with him as he does seem to get so overworked with just a tad too much A time. I'll be back again, I'm sure!!
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:-*