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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: j.and.e on March 29, 2012, 05:41:15 am
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Am lost with DS2s sleep. Whatever I do for nap, BT, etc, he is waking early. Sometimes only getting 11hours sleep in 24.
Here are some days which are pretty representative
Tuesday March 20th
wake 5.20am
Nap 12.50-1.55pm
BT 7pm
Saturday March 24th
Wake 5.35
Nap 11-12.30
BT 7pm
Sunday March 25th
Wake 6am (clocks changed though so really 5!)
Nap 1pm-2.30pm
BT 8pm
Monday March 26th
Wake 6.40am
Nap 12.40-2.40pm
BT 8pm
Tuesday March 27th
Wake 5am
Nap 12.40-2.40
BT 8pm
Wednesday March 28th
Wake 5am
Nap 10-10.20
Nap 1pm-3pm
BT 7.20pm
Thursday March 29th
Wake 5am
Please can someone give me some suggestions. His behaviour is tantrummy and I'm certain he needs more sleep. I'm not sure whether his days are too long leading to OT, but then I worry about bringing his nap early in case it re-inforces the early wake.
I realise he doesn't have a consistent and good routine, partly because I keep changing things hoping that something will work, and partly because he is looked after by MIL, daycare and me, and I have a 3year old DS1 so he sometimes has to fit in with DS1s activities.
I am happy to have a try at implementing something consistent. The easiest naptime is sometime after lunch (as on Tuesday nursery starts at 1pm).
I don't mind about BT and wWu as long as it doesn't start with a 5! I don't mind about nap length either (as long as he's getting enough sleep!)
DS1 is on a 7-7 routine, but is very good and very flexible and will pretty much sleep 12 hours whenever put to bed. He will also happily play by himself for an hour in the morning (until his clock lights up).
I suppose my dream would be
WU 7am
Nap ?
BT 7.30pm
I don't want BT later than 8.30pm as I like to have time to get things done in the evenings. I'd be happy to start the day at 6am, although closer to 7 the better as he sometimes wakes DS1 in the mornings and that's not ideal.
Please can someone have a look through my diary and make some suggestions?? Is he OT, UT, both..?
What should I try next...?
Thanks xx
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Hiya hun
The 2 biggest suggestions I could make are this:
1) consistency - I won't bleat on about this too much b/c I know you are already aware its not very consistent atm. I was same as you, when I had prolonged EW I was so desperate to get rid of it I would try anything and everything. And if no result in a day or two I would try something else. And in all honesty it didn't help b/c it was confusing for DS. Whatever routine change you make takes time to implement & time for them to adjust to, so you need to give it at least a week before changing anything at all.
2) on his 1 nap days, the nap is simply too late & his day is too long. Eg Monday 20th March he was awake 7.5hrs before his nap & that is just too long for a 15 month old. He was OT at naptime & hence why you only got a 1hr nap. And BT was 7pm which may seem early compared to usual, but isn't early enough when he's been up since 5.30am.
Tuesday 27th March - up 5am, nap 12.40-2.40 so again 7h 40 A time in the AM is just too long.
Given how early he is waking I would suggest starting off with an earlier nap of 11.30am. Let him sleep 2hrs & then put him in bed 5hrs later i.e. 6.30pm. Repeat for a week. Its imperative to do this to get rid of the OT that has accumulated. 'You should find after the first few days his nap lengthens, and his nights start to lengthen. THEN & only then, can you start to push it all later to get back to the routine you want. So you would push the nap and bedtime later by 15mins every few days. until you are doing something like nap 12.30-2.30 & BT 7.30 & this will hopefully get you that 7am WU.
Your only other option really if you don't favour pulling everything earlier on a temporary basis is to set naptime at say 12.30pm, & stick to it like glue every day, but then offer a super early bedtime if he doesn't nap for 2hrs. So if for eg he napped 1hr from 12.30-1.30, I would have him in bed for 6pm latest. And you should start to find he sleeps longer at night. Which in turn will shorten the A time to his nap & which should encourage the nap to lengthen. As the nap gets gradually longer you can gradually push bedtime out, so when he's napping 12.30-2.30 he goes to bed 7-7.30.
Hope this helps.xx
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Thanks. Think 11.30'l b dificult to acheive consistantly with MIL and nursery. Today he did wake 5am (but i cuddld him quietly til 5.45) then nap 12.40-2.25 then bt 6.30 (shatterd). I cud try for an 11.30 nap nxt 3days as he is home. Trouble is i often get 1.5hr naps (or less!) so mite get WU 5am nap 11.30-1pm BT 6pm? If he wakes earlier than 5am what do i do? 4 or 4.30am is possible after a 6.30 bt... yikes! Thanks for ur help! Am so depresd as spent months looking fwd 2the clock change to fix this... Now its happend and theres no hope. :-(
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Claire has given some awesome advice there. I know it's hard to get the times consistent but I had the same issue with the EW and the ONLY thing that worked was sorting the A times, beating the OT and consistency. My LO generally spend 3 days with my Mum 3 with me and 1 with OH so I understand just how hard it is. Unfortunately nothing worked for us until I got everyone working together and on the same routine. We recently achieved 13hour nights for a while (and then I pushed my luck and got an EW this morning aha!)
I know you are getting a 1.5hour nap or less but that's because of OT and the only way to break that cycle with the EW is to start the nap earlier.
I am betting that even with a 6pm bedtime he won't wake any earlier than 5am! He will actually be more rested the next day as putting him to bed earlier allows him to sleep longer at night. And when he is more rested he will nap longer and you can get to a reasonable bedtime with no OT and then no EW. And the difference in his mood will be noticeable too - less tantrums, better eating, less seperation anxiety etc.
Have you tried any APing at his EW to see what happens? Sometimes I can break the habit by rocking LO back to sleep or giving a bottle for 2 mornings. Just be sure it doesn't become a long term habit or that will encourage the EW. There is also the option of trying Wake-To-Sleep if routine tweaking doesn't work.
Good luck tonight, I'm sure that with his 6.30pm bedtime he will feel a little better tomorrow x
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Thanks stardust! He has already done dozens of cryouts poor wee man. AP doesnt work 4him. I can bring him to bed and he will BF for 15min or so but then he gets up climbs out and opens the door! Also am trying to wean, but keep giving in as i hope i can lie down 4a bit longer... Xx
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I agree with Claire hun... his day needs to be shorter to keep it managable.. once he starts to catch up on the OT from the massive A times/short naps/night, he will start to wake later and allow you to shift the day a bit...
Is a 730 wake time okay for you? If so, you could shoot for this:
wake 730am
nap 1/130 - 330pm
BT 8pm.
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Thanks ladies! So after 6.30pm bt we had NW at 3.20 (he askd 2get up but i got him back down in bout 20min) then up at 6am! Hurrah! Longest nite in months! Shud i try a 12pm nap? So 12-2 then 7.30 bt or if 12-1.30 then 7pm bt? Xx
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Ok did nap at 12, actually more like 11.50, but a lawn mower woke him at 1.10ish and he was CROSS! Did 6.10pm bt and he settld straitaway. DH has voluntrd for 2mz's stupid o'clock start... Xx
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He won't have a stupid o'clock start - positive thinking!
Blooming lawnmower!!! It's this summer weather! Is he prone to being woken by noises etc.? Do you have a fan or anything on for white noise? We have a cheap £7 air purifier from eBay - it's not very loud - a bit like a bathroom extractor fan going but it really blurs out the harshness of outside noises and LO sleeps so much better with it.
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Oh how I hate lawnmowers!
We have a really loudly ticking clock in DD's room and it seems to get her through most things outside...
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Thanks ladies! He can be sensitive to noise. I put a fan noise on 4him. Will let u know how 2nite goes... Xx
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5.45am, after 6.10pm bt. Thats a really long nite 4him! 11.5hrs! Shud i try nap at 12 or 12.30 (given he usually wakes at 5 after a lot less sleep?) xx
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YAY for the great night!!!! I'd still say 12 latest. Give it a few more days before starting to push him. What you need to happen first is for him to give you a consistently longer nap. Then you will be able to GRADUALLY push the nap back out, 15mins per week until its at 12.30.
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Thanks claire, we managd asleep at 12.15. If he did 2hr nap shud i try 5.5hr? So up 5.45 nap 12.15-2.15 bt 7.45? 5hr a if less than 2hr? Or do i try bit earlier to keep day shorter? Xx
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Hmmm. The length of A time to BT is tricky. Up until a few weeks ago my DS was doing 5hrs after a 2hr nap & that seemed to suit him just fine. As you know its too short now! But he is 19.5 months old & I think his sleep needs have dropped!
IIWM I'd probably try 5hrs (assuming you get 2hr nap). Better that than stretch the day & make him OT by BT. If you got longer eg 2.5hrs then I would do 5.5. Although IME long naps like that just lead to EW! If you get a much shorter nap eg 1hr, do as yesterday & an early BT.
HTH.x
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Woke at 1.15pm, so 1hr. Will try for 5.45 or 6pm bt, and start again tomorw! Xx
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Yea definitely do that hun. I think this is still an overtired nap & that perhaps his AM A time is still too long. Today was 6.5hrs right? I'd say you need it 5.5hrs max. And some EBT's. Good luck for tonight hun.x
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Aww I'm sorry I missed this hun, I had the page open ready to reply before I left early this morning and somehow forgot to press send.
That was a fab night, I bet he was in a better mood this morning? Even though he is still waking for the day early (before 6am) he has still had 11.5hours sleep - all we need to do now is get the timing of the nap right then slowly everything forward a little until you are on a bit more sensible 7-7 day or whatever suits you.
Shame he didn't nap too long :-( I agree it was a long A - ideally that may be when you want your nap to start but not until he's waking a little later and can manage such a long morning! What happened when he woke? You should start leaving him 20mins when he wakes from each nap so that he knows it was a little early. After a few tries he may surprise you and go back to sleep. Does he have the fan on for his nap too to help him transition back over when he stirs after his hour?
I would say put him to bedtime about 5.50-5.5.55 aiming to have him sleeping by 6pm. You need to keep these early bedtimes until he is napping well and the OT is gone. I hope tonight is a good night too x
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Ok i took him up 4bath at 5.30 but he screamd 2get out and was asleep at 5.45pm. Will try again tomorw. If he wakes at 5am shud i do nap at 10.30? Xx
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If he wakes at 5am keep him in bed until 6am. ignore him if he isn't crying or try to AP him back to sleep if he's crying or just stay with him to soothe him until 6am. I wouldn't start the nap any earlier than 11 for now otherwise it might encourage the EW. Claire has more experience with this than me re the A times and will probably answer soon!
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Nw at 7.20 (setld with 3wi/wo). nw 7.40. Dh gone 2try calpol... Xx
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(((hugs))) hun. It is difficult with a super early WU b/c like stardust says, you don't want to encourage the EW, BUT you also want to get rid of the OT. I don't think I'd pull the nap much earlier than 11am though. You want to avoid it going much earlier than 11.30am if you can help it.
So TBH if I got a WU that early I'd probably do a 2 nap day with a teensy AM catnap of just 10 mins at 9/9.30 just to keep him going until lunchtime for his big nap.
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Is v dificult to keep him in bed when he EW as he shouts and points at the door. I tried wi/wo once and he shouted 4an hr! Even bringing him to our bed is no gd as he will BF then climb out of bed and walk off. I also dont like 2wake DS1 in the morning, so getting him up is better! If he is up superearly (like 5am) Wud it b bettr 2do 2naps, or do nap at 11? Will be back in the am no doubt! Thanks again ladies! Xx
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Oops just misd ur post! Will try 10 min cn if he wakes pre 6am, else will do 11.30 (or 5.5hr nap)! Tks 4ur support! Xx
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Hugs hun - agree with Claire. I use the 10 min CN if I get a stupid o'clock wake up. Like today ;)
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WU 5.35! Brief Nws at 7.20, 7.40 and 11.55pm. 11hr 50min nite sleep! I am so pleasd! Was really worried about his poor sleep. I realise now he has been OT! If i can do a 10min cn at 9.30 i will, else will try 11am nap. If he goes for the cn wud u do 12 nap? Thanks again xx
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Yay for the long night! If you get a CN I'd probably do somewhere between 2-3hrs A time after it. At 15months my DS could easily do 3, but watch him closely as you don't want to go too early & him be UT, or too late & him be OT!
If he doesn't then yes do the nap at 11am. I think in another few days you will be able to start gradually pushing everything later.
xx
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tks again! Did Wu 5.35 cn 9.30ish for 15min, nap 12.15-2.25! Yay! Will b back 2mz! Xx
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Awesome!
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How was last night? Did you do bedtime at a more normal time since he managed a good afternoon nap? xx
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Thanks for following on ladies, last few days have been:
WU 5.35
Nap1 9.30-9.45
Nap2 12.15-2.25
BT 6.30
1 NW
WU 5.45 but dozed in our bed until 6.45
Nap 1 15 mins in the pushchair 11.30ish
Nap 2 12.40-2.40
BT 7.30 (PD 7.15 took 15 mins of moaning and wi/wo)
He seemed tired at 6.30pm again tonight, but I wondered if putting him down at 6.30 again would lead to another 5.30ish WU.
MIL looked after him today, so naps were out of my hands. I have him tomorrow and Wednesday, so I can try something different!
If he sleeps through until 6.30 (dream on!) I think I'd be aiming for
WU 6.30
Nap 12-2
BT 7pm
If he wakes at 6am I would probably try
WU 6am
Nap 11.30-1.30pm
BT 6.30pm
If he wakes pre 6am again I'll try another 9.30 CN for 10/15 mins and then go for nap as soon after noon as he will have it.
He has afternoon nursery tomorrow which starts at 1pm and I have to be at work at 2pm, so things may go wrong... but I'll see what tonight brings!
Thanks again for your help. I know we've had some really good 11-11.5 hr nights and some lovely 2 hour naps since I started trying your suggestions, so I hope that we're on the right track, and at least I've realised my child is does not really need 10 hour nights and 1 hour naps (even if that's what he's been taking at some points!)
xx
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Good plan, not sure how you will manage the nap with nursery in the middle though, you just have to do your best :-( I have similar issues when on a half day at work.
If nursery is going to get in the middle of things I would maybe try a 20minute catnap in the morning (a nap this short won't encourage the EW but will keep him going until nursery starts at 1pm) and then asking nursery to settle him to sleep shortly after he arrives? It's not ideal but it's the best solution I think as otherwise having to wake him before 2pm he is never going to last until bedtime and is going to end up OT and wake early again hun xx
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If nursery is going to get in the middle of things I would maybe try a 20minute catnap in the morning (a nap this short won't encourage the EW but will keep him going until nursery starts at 1pm) and then asking nursery to settle him to sleep shortly after he arrives? It's not ideal but it's the best solution I think as otherwise having to wake him before 2pm he is never going to last until bedtime and is going to end up OT and wake early again hun xx
^^this^^ is what I would do too.
He seemed tired at 6.30pm again tonight, but I wondered if putting him down at 6.30 again would lead to another 5.30ish WU.
I think for the first few days of catching up on OT its ok, and if he seems really tired then just go with it, but if his mood is improving & he continues to nap 12.30-2.30ish then yes a 6.30 BT will eventually lead to more EW as he will be UT. So I would gradually push BT out to 7pm. Maybe 7.15/7.30 was too late for him today?
Glad things are feeling a bit better overall though. Hope he is a bit happier in himself for the extra sleep too.xx
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Tks again! Will see how 2nite goes. Think 7.30pm was too late but had to do both kids bt solo and I usually end up running late in that case! Mmm, will see how he does tomorw and what i can do re work, as may b able to start late/finish late if he needs to nap late! Xx
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Ok bed 7.30 nw 2.20 up 6am... I guess OT. Will try Ebt today Xx
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How did the nap go today? Did you do EBT? xx
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Tks star. Didnt get it rite 2day. Aimd 4a CN in the car at 9.15ish but failed. He had a 5min sleep on my shoulder at 9.40 then we rushd home for 11am nap but he only slept 1hr. Pants. put him to bed at 6.20pm (earliest posible given i finishd work at 6pm!) I think he is teething or a bit poorly thou :-( i askd nursry 2do a pm nap but he didnt sleep. Will b back tomorw, greatful 4ur help! Xx
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41.1 C fever so poor lamb has NOT been well. Nights bad and EWs. We are on hol 2mz too, so will have to try and get back on track nxt wk. Hp u have a gd Easter! Xx
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41.1C fever is a very very high fever. It is considered a medical emergency in a child hun and needs to be seen in hospital immedietely. Go straight to A&E or phone NHS Direct for an ambulance if you can't get there (assuming you live in the UK). xx
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Tks hun. Yes took him strait in yesterday. 'a virus' so no treatment bar calpol, water, keep cool and cuddles. :-( Xx
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41.1C fever is a very very high fever. It is considered a medical emergency in a child hun and needs to be seen in hospital immedietely. Go straight to A&E or phone NHS Direct for an ambulance if you can't get there (assuming you live in the UK). xx
Really?! In Canada and the USA, it's just a high fever and can wait until you can get to family dr as long as it comes down with meds... unless of course baby is not eating/dehydrated/truly lethargic....
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Wow! Anything over 40degrees here is considered dangerous. My LO's fever has never made it as high as 39 or I'd be in a complete panic!
Anything over 41 and they say LO is very high risks for seizures/convulsions from the fever so head straight to Accident and Emergency (like a trauma ward) or ring an ambulance. I'm in Scotland, don't know if it's different south of the border though but if I took my LO to A&E with a fever that high there's no way they'd let me home until it was way down and staying down!
Hope he is feeling better today hun xx
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Anything over 41 and they say LO is very high risks for seizures/convulsions from the fever so head straight to Accident and Emergency (like a trauma ward) or ring an ambulance
That could be the difference... febrile seizures are not considered dangerous here.
Though a fever over 41 can be a risk for brain damage! So if it does not respond to meds within a few hours, you should go to the ER (emerg)...
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Ok back from hol and still struggling! Today
Wu 5am
Nap1 pd at 9am, refused despite tired signs
Got up at 9.15
Nap1 10-10.40 (woke self, crying but wouldnt settle)
nap2 3.15-4.15 (woke by nursery as i work tue pm)
Pd 6.45 v unsettled asleep at 7.15
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Hiya hun
Hope you had a nice hol & that he is all better now?
Is today typical of what you have been doing most days?
I think 9am is too early for a nap after a 5am start hun - even if his night is short he's simply not ready. I wouldn't try any earlier than 9.30am or you are likely to get refusal, like today. I actually think you may be better trying to keep with the 1 nap wherever possible, & just use early bedtime to stop him getting OT. On days like today where you have 2 naps, early bedtime won't be effective, because the A time (2.5hrs after a 1hr nap) will be too short - hence why he didn't settle right away. But on a 1 nap day it will save him from the OT monster!
IIWM I would see what time he wakes tomorrow, try & keep him in bed til 6am & then shoot for a nap at 11am earliest, or 5.5hrs if he wakes after 6am. If his nap is short, do early bedtime, like we discussed previously. If he takes a 2hr nap, then aim for around 5hrs A time to BT.
What do you think?
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It is impossible to keep him in bed! He screams and points to the door, i once tried wi.wo for an hour and he screamed the whole time! I have occasionally got him to sleep in our bed, but even then he usually only stays for a short snuggle and bf then climbs out and wonders off to play! I doubt very much he will wake after 6am, as that has not happened in AGES! If i stick to 1nap our day is likely to go wu 5am nap 11-12 bt... 5pm...? Hope for 12hr plus night???
Am totally lost, and willing to try anything! Xx
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Hmmm. I think even if he does 1hr nap, 5pm is a little on the early side - you'd need minimum 12hr night or he'll be up before the birds. In our house we always had a rule that BT would be 6pm at the earliest - we couldn't practically do it any earlier.
I actually think if you want to see a consistently later WU his nap needs to go back to around 12.30pm start, but with such an early WU it will be very hard to achieve. I think your best bet may be to stick consistently with nap at 11am for a week, (hope he does 2hrs) & BT at 6pm. Then push it all on 15mins so nap 11.15am, and assuming 2hr nap, BT at 6.15pm (a little earlier if he short naps). And so on, 15mins later each week til nap is starting at 12-12.30ish. It will be very tough going, but it is kind of a set nap so it gives consistency, and the early bedtimes should help limit OT, and by pushing the nap later (& therefore BT later) you will break the cycle of early waking. I did this at 15/16 months & it was horrendously difficult & DS got very very OT but it helped tremendously & we had 2 months of blissful 7am WU, 12.30-2.30 nap & 7.30 BT before the 18 month sleep regression hit us hard!
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Ok y.day up 5.30am nap 12.40-2.15 (at nursery) bt 6.20pm. Wu 4.30am then v unsetld on off sleep (needing constant settling) until 5.50am. Nap 11am wu at 11.45am, managd to resettle until 12. Bt 6pm. 2Nws so far (7pm). He clearly needs more sleep, but how? Should 1try 11am nap for longer? Xx
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I think he needs that nap pushed out a bit further hun... you will find as he settles into one nap that the nap will shorten and nights will be crap when it's time to increase the morning A time a touch ;)
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Ugh. Hard to see whats going on here.
Sat
Wu 5am,
nap 10.20-11.30,
refusd pm cn
bt 5.30pm.
Wu 4.45am
refusd am nap at 9am, and 10.30.
Settld ot at 11am. Woke during nap but quick resettle till 12.30
bt 6pm.
Wu 4.30am.
Nap 12-2pm
bt 6.30 Ot took 20min to settle.
Please help!
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hmmm...
Looks like you are in a bad cycle of early morning - early nap - early BT... I have suffered that one more than once!
I think you might have to do a CN to get out of the super early wake time to get to a decent BT.
If he wakes around 5am, do a 15 min CN around 9am (car ride comes to mind!)... then try to PD around noon/1230pm and let him sleep...
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Thanx kara! Wu today at 4.50am. Will try a cn at around 9, but he will prolly refuse. Car nap may be possible but DS1 will be there too and likely rabbiting on... Xx
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(((hugs))) hun.
What did you do in the end? Sorry haven't been around much, crazy week prepping for wedding! I agree with Kara, nap too early, BT too early. I know initially we encouraged you to pull the nap earlier, b/c he was going down nearer to 1pm some days, but I think its going a little too early. Personally, IIWM I would try & avoid the CN unless he's absolutely beside himself by 9am, as I think it will keep encouraging the WU to stay early b.c he needs to be on 1 nap now. I still stand by the advice in my last post, to stick with 11am nap & 6pm BT for 1 week, then push 15mins later so 11.15 nap & 6.15 BT for 1 week & so on, until he is napping at lunchtime & going to bed at a more reasonable hour. HTH hun.x
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Thanx guys! Hp ur wedding plans r all going well and u really enjoy ur big day!! Am feeling so broken with these EWs. I tried the 11am nap and 6pm BT, but we still get a short nite and crap nap. However i think the 2nap ship has sailed. After 4.50 wu he refusd nap at 9am, 9.30am, and even stayd awake in the car at 10.15. Ugh. Tried 4a 12o'clock nap, settld at 12.15 wu at 1.10, resetld in my arms while Ds1 watchd tv then had to get him up. Did 6.30 bt asleep just before 7pm. I like ur suggestion of gradually pushing nap out, but have found it dificult to do, as Ds1, nursery and MIL keep getting in the way! Also the 11 oclock nap is still only an hr. Sigh. Will keep trying! Xx
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Hey hugs on the ew. We had it for months with the 2 to 1 with ds1.
I would look at your days and try to shorten them. That means a lot of ebt but they ate just so long and with the short naps he must be so ot.
Personally I would do an 11.30am nap and bt 6pm latest. And by that I would aim to have him in asleep by then. At 4.30 I would treat that as a nw and settle in the same way you would for a nw.
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:-) tks khalamsmama. I do wi.wo for Nws and he settles v quick. It doesnt work for the Ews but i have been trying it for 1hr last 2days. It seems to have helpd as he does settle briefly, but doesnt sleep. I cant get up at 4.30! Xx
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When I had ew for months with k in the end I treated it like a nw and he did go off again eventually.
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tks! We did bt 7pm nw 12ish, wu 4.50am BUT BACK TO SLEEP 5.05-6.15! Yay! (i gave milk and calpol) Nap today 12.45-3pm bt 7pm. Xx
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Wow that is better. Fx for a good night.
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Tks! Have stayd up til 9.45pm, wow! Am not so wreckd from pre 5am starts... Hope it wasnt a fluke!! Xx
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Fingers crossed!!!! I would worry about a touch of UT at BT though ;)
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Oh no I disagree ;-) Looks great to me especially if he was showing tired signs. I always think it's the overall A and S throughout 24hours of more that matter, not the exact A before bedtime!
Let's see what tomorrow brings!!! Remember consistency consistency consistency if he does EW - don't get him up before 6am!
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sttn to 5.30. Managd to keep him in cot til 6.30 but didnt sleep even thou he seemd tired... Will keep going! Xx
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At least he sttn. 10.5hrs isn't so bad. Hope it progresses.
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Hey how's it going? x
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tks 4msg! Realisd that Ebt=Ew and early nap dificult with DS1 plus often short, so have been doing 'baby bootcamp'. Refuse to get him up till 6am never mind if i am doing wi.wo for an hr! Then aim for nap 12 earliest, or 12.30. Then fix BT at 7pm whatever nap. This is day 6. Things are improving, we have had mostly sttn, 5naps of 1.5hr plus, only 1morning when he has been up early and not gone back to sleep! Prior to this wk i was starting the day at pre 5am! The last two mornings he has woken at 5.45, but quickly resettld till after 6. We are going to stick with this for 2wks then see if we can tweak to get a gd nap and wu. I think he is on the low side of sleep, so we may be stuck with 11hr nite and 1.5hr nap. (which sounds great considering what we'v been through-9hr nites and 1hr naps!) Xx
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Sounds like things are coming right!
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Tks kara, there's light at the end of the tunnel! Also i think i will have to accept he's in a dificult phase (and has been 4the last 16months!) I keep thinking if i 'get it right' he will sttn 12hrs and take a gd 12hr nap, like my ds1 did at this age. However he just doesnt seem to need the sleep! Xx
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LOL! They are all different hun ;)
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yes! Thankfully he is less spirited and more independant than Ds1 so is easier to deal with for a long day! ;-) anyway have done 1wk of refusing to start day before 6am, nap around 12/12.30 and bt fixd at 7pm. Will stick another wk then tweak! Last few days has needed a resettle at 5.30/45 but has then laid quietly/slept till 6. May push bt later after this wk and see how wu and nap go! Xx
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Sounds like a fantastic plan to me!
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Tks! Yday pd at 6.45pm expecting him to be asleep by 7, bt he went strait to sleep and sttn to 6am! Today nap 12.20-1.55 and pd 6.45pm asleep at 6.55! Lets see what 2mz brings! Tks again 4ur support! XX
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WOOT WOOT!!!
If he starts waking later in the morning and sleeping so long at night, you may have to start to bump that nap a touch later ;)
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Wu 5.55, so 11hr sttn. Methinks we have a new routine. Will keep as we are to the end of the wk then try to add 30min to wu. Do u think i shud move nap and bt, or leave nap and add 30min to bt? Eg yday was wu 6am nap 12.20-2.55 bt 6.55, so nearly 6.5A then 5hrA at bt. I cud try bt 7.30pm and hp for 6.30am wu, then put nap back to 12.30 or 1? What do u suggest? Xx
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Yay! Excellent work.
Leave nap at 12 - 12.30. Move BT back to 7.30pm if he is having a good 2.5hour sleep. Aiming for a 6.30am WU that still gives plenty of A to naptime and a decent A to bedtime too. His nap length will regulate itself in time - it may shorten anyway once his nights sort themselfs x
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Ok weird day at nursery, as nap 10.20-11.30 and nap2 2.05-3.40. Bt 7pm as usual, but wont b surprisd by 5am or earlier start 2mz. Will carry on as usual tmw and start moving bt to 7.30 xx
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hmmm... any new teeth on the move? That's a given to make DD sleepy!
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canines, so cud be. Will see how he does xx
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Ouch canines are the worst :-(
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Tks! Had 1yr vax 2day (4mo's late) so had a temp and did bed at 6.45. Tks 4sticking w. Me! Xx
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hiya hun
Glad to hear things have been improving. You've def done the right thing pushing all a bit later again. Hope he's ok with teething & his vaccinations today.xx
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Tks claire! Glad ur big day went well! I feel much saner now. We are still getting short naps, and i usually have to see him and tell him 2go back2sleep at 5.30/45, but i hope we'l get there (before the nxt sleep regression) xx
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That's what happens here. We eventually get things right and fixed and then another developmental leap, sleep needs change or regression comes along and we're back to square one! Ahah.