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EAT => Food Allergies => Topic started by: teilvnav on May 15, 2012, 19:40:08 pm
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I have had a thread going about my concern's over Anna before; mucousy dark green explosive and frequent diarhea-like poops that smell like death, NW where she seems to be in discomfort, and a patch of rough scaley skin on her forehead (right on her stork bite) that seems to bother her. She whimpers and smacks/scratches at it all the time, and last week she got at it overnight and because her nails were too long she had deep bloody scratches all over her forehead. :( She had a 10 day perscription for a cream about a month ago which did help when we were using it, but once we stopped putting it on at 10 days it quickly came back. :-\
My dr has not been supportive of a possible intolerance, so I hadn't taken anything out of her diet. When she scratched herself so badly like that, though, I got fed up. I made a list of possible intolerances and decided to eliminate things one at a time starting with the easy stuff, to see if things got better. I started with rice. For the last three days she has had no Mum-mums (rice teething biscuits) and no rice cereal (I am giving her barley and oatmeal instead). Well lo and behold, for the last three days her poops have been NORMAL. Brown, and semi firm like peanut butter. She is also only going once or twice a day, rather than 5+ times, and I haven't had to throw out an outfit or use Oxi Clean because of a poop explosion. Her forehead also seems to be healing, but I can't tell for sure. It does look better today than it had been, for sure.
DH says that it is a co-incidence, but to me it is more likely that it is the rice that has been bothering her. Nothing else in her diet has changed. From what I know, rice allergy is pretty uncommon and that's why pediatricians push starting with rice cereal even before 6 months. I am going to keep avoiding rice for her and keep track of how she is doing, but I was just wondering if anyone else has experience with this type of allergy or intolerance. Does it sound like I am on the right track? Are there foods that would bother her like rice apparently does that we should avoid?
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One mostly certainly can have allergic reaction to rice. I had reaction to rice for a while. I had NAEt treatment and it was gone. So I dont have much experience with elimination diet. I checked the handbook, there isnt really anything relating to rice, so cutting out rice would be all you need to do unless you suspect other allergens. Watch for a week or two , if it all clears up, then you have found the culprit!
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I will check with my SIL, one of my nephews has a rice allergy!
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Amy - just found this link about it... seems that rashes are a common side effect of rice allergy - maybe that explains Anna's forehead??
http://www.ehow.com/about_5316240_rice-allergy-symptoms.html
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Rice was the first cereal we started Josie on and we had to remove it and try other grains (we settled on oatmeal eventually). In her case it was digestive stuff, but for sure it can cause rashes and allergies - any food can, especially grains - and not all baby tummies are able to handle all grains at the same time, either, so grains as a first food choice isn't always the best idea, as I learned the hard way. ::)
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Totally agree Deb... grains are a tricky one at best with some LOs. Wheat threw us for a loop at 8 months! Took a few months to get sorted. I would totally expect that rice could do the same...
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Thanks for that link, it is interesting.
Honestly, the difference in her poop is amazing. I know that it is pretty early because it has only been three days, but just from that difference alone I am going to keep her off rice at least for now. If her forehead rash does improve, then all the better! It does look better to me but it is hard to tell because it is still scabby and scaley... just maybe a little less so.
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The way to tell for sure Anna might be to cut it for a while and when she is at a good baseline give her some again to see if she gets a repeat of symptoms.
Is there anything else (like milk etc) in the rice cereal?
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Very interesting Amy, I didn't think there could be rice allergies. DS did not react well to the introduction of rice cereal, the first one we tried had soy in it so now I know he's allergic to soy :-\ and the second one he was doing great for a few days until he started throwing up and taking in almost no formula. When we start solids again I'm thinking of trying barley. Although my paed is against it because he says rice is the most non-allergenic cereal, but if he reacts to it what am I supposed to do, I'm not going to keep on trying a million times ::).
Anyways I'm rambling here but I did want to tell you that rice cereal can contain milk and soy, which are also common allergens, so just be on the watch if the symptoms return even if you don't re-introduce the rice cereal, it could be related to that? FWIW if ever you decide to try to reintroduce it, we're using Healthy Times cereals, they contain no milk and no soy and nothing other than rice and added vitamins. I have investigated all the other common brands of cereals sold at the pharmacy (and my pharmacist made further research) and all of them contain at least traces of either soy or dairy ::)
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The change in poop can be very quick when it's a grain issue Amy. DD went from horrid explosive neon yellow poops that would stain anything they touched instantly to being fine almost overnight... within 24 hrs for sure. If you are going to do the reintro/challenge that KM suggests (great idea!!!), i would do a full 6 weeks of elimination then give her loads to see if you get a reaction. This is how my SIL's specialist does allergy testing in wee ones who are still too young for reliable testing otherwise. All three of her kids have a range of food intolerances/allergies.
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I think that's what I will do... that gives her forehead a chance to heal up more, too. If she does react again with eczema and/or gross poopness, it should be obvious.
Yes, the rice cereal has milk in it. But she is FF, and has had yogurt a few times this week. I would think that things wouldn't be getting better if it was the milk in the rice cereal, no?
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Yes, the rice cereal has milk in it. But she is FF, and has had yogurt a few times this week. I would think that things wouldn't be getting better if it was the milk in the rice cereal, no?
Agreed, if that's the case then it's probably the rice.
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I agree as well :)
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Her forehead is definitely better this morning. The skin is smoother and although it is still red, it is less scaley and angry looking. And no more cracks. And I just changed another normal looking brown poop; she has had 1-2 per day since I stopped feeding her anything with rice.
I can't believe that I may have cracked this. I feel amazing right now! I am so glad that I tried eliminating something! Take *THAT*, dr who made me feel like a moron.
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Take *THAT*, dr who made me feel like a moron.
Good job Amy!! ;D
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Hi hun. I personally would use the fact that she is getting better as the proof and not subject her body to the offending item again just to see it she gets sick again. But that's me.
You are such a great mom, and so smart! Good job Amy :-*
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Great that you are so positive!
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I personally would use the fact that she is getting better as the proof and not subject her body to the offending item again just to see it she gets sick again. But that's me.
I totally understand your point Zoey, but reintroduction is the only way to be certain that this is what is causing the issues for Anna. Once it's confirmed, Amy can go forward knowing exactly what to watch out for and not just have a list of suspect items. Rice is one that is in so many things that it would be prudent to know if it is the offender.
In fact, for reintro, I would just give Anna plain white rice to avoid any cross contamination issues...
Great news Amy! Momma always knows her LO the best ;)
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So great that you've had an improvement. I know the feeling of having found the 'holy grail'! - marvellous!
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No offence to Drs but they are only as good as the information they learnt & they believe in & at the end of the day some Drs don't get it "right". We once had a trainee GP at out practice (sadly he moved to the country to practice as there was a $$ incentive to get Drs out there, even though the head of our practice tried really hard to keep him) One time I saw him about DS1 & something & his comment was "the textbooks would say this & you are thinking that... I'll go with Mother instinct because you are with him 24/7... the textbook isn't"... we were right. He actually said to me (because we got chatting about Immunology which is what I'm qualified in) "trust yourself over the Dr & if your gut tells you to do something do... push the Drs to think your way too"
It isn't you that is the Moron, but the Dr for being too "textbook".
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Thanks for sharing in my pride, ladies. :)
DH is very against giving her a lot of anything that we think she would struggle with, at least for a good while. I can totally see his point and might try just a bit of rice mixed with other food that we know is ok in a month or two, when her body has healed up and cleared out a bit. All it would take is the return of gross poop or her rash to confirm it, but I am already feeling pretty confident.
One thing I am having trouble learning about is if she does have a rice intolerance (I don't think it's an actualy allergy, because she isn't vomitting), are there other foods to avoid? Some sites say no, and others say that we should avoid several things including chicken and soe fruits/veggies. Anyone?
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might try just a bit of rice mixed with other food that we know is ok in a month or two, when her body has healed up and cleared out a bit.
That sounds like a good idea and what I'd do too.
I would just be trying all foods quite slowly and methodically so you know what she's good with. It's such a pain to try and figure out patterns when you've introduced too many things and are trying to figure out/guess what's what.
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Wow, so glad you may have finally found your answer!!
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Bah and Arg and . This morning her poops are back to green and her eczema is a bit worse again. Yesterday she had applesauce and apricots, oatmeal cereal, yogurt, and green beans. Oh, and a Farley's teething biscuit. Nothing with rice. :( So it's either rice and something else, or just something else.
Back to feeling frustrated and overwhelmed. This is never ending.
I guess we'll trial dairy free next; maybe it is the milk after all. It is the most obvious one, so I probably should have started there.
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But if it is milk, why did things get better for those few days?? ???
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Read the ingrediants on the back. The website says they have rice flour in them. Heinz Farley's Teething Biscuits: Flours (Wheat, Rice), Potato Starch, Sugar, Vegetable Oil, Wheat Starch, Barley Malt Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Natural Flavouring, Emulsifier (Soya Lecithin), Raising Agent (Ammonium Carbonates, Sodium Bicarbonate), Niacin, Iron, Thiamin, Riboflavin, Vitamin A, Vitamin D
Maybe?
:-*
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I read the back of everything now, just to be sure... I was surprised that even jarred food like creamed corn has rice in it. Good thing I make most of her food!
Ok, here is what our box says: enriched wheat flour, maize flour, sugar, palm oil, dextrose, ammonium carbonates, calcium carbonate, monoglycerides, niacin, reduced iron, thiamine hydrochloride (Vit B1), riboflavin (Vit B2). Ther eis a warning that the equipment also processes products that contain milk, so not to give them to babies with cow's milk allergies.
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Hmmmm!
You're right about her getting better for a while, then this cookie and now she is taking a step backwards. If this were me, I'd omit anything in a package for a week or two. Give fruits, veggies, simple meats/beans (pure, nothing added) for a week (with her bm/formula of course). See how she does like that for a while. Keep a diary of everything you feed, rough times, and times of any reactions she may have. If it is bmilk/formula it will become apparent I would think. Then slowly add yogurt and watch, etc etc.
I didn't read all the way though again but, did you ask for the DR to test her stool for blood? I think I remember parasites etc but I don't remember if they did blood.
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Yes, I took stool samples for 2 days and they are checking for blood, mucus, parasites, and bacteria. Our dr still doesn't think it is an intolerance, so I would still be at square one and on my own with this if the samples come back negative for everything. Maybe he would be more open to discussing intorlerances in that case, though; he certainly hasn't been so far.
That's what I am thinking, too: nothing in a package. Makes life a bit more difficult, but oh well.
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Amy, hugs! Anna has eczema and the doc doesn't think it is intolerance or allergies??? i didn't have typical allergy symptoms and couldn't get referred to an allergist!! it just sounds so wrong! is it possible to change doc?
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I agree with Zoey - no packaged foods for a few weeks and then very slowly try them one at a time...
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What kind of oatmeal cereal was it Amy?
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Ok, here is what our box says: enriched wheat flour, maize flour, sugar, palm oil, dextrose, ammonium carbonates, calcium carbonate, monoglycerides, niacin, reduced iron, thiamine hydrochloride (Vit B1), riboflavin (Vit B2).
Maize, wheat or anything else on the list could be the issue.
Honestly I agree nothing packaged
If you have given her bread then cut slices into fingers & slow low bake in the oven & make your own teething biscuits.
FWIW teething biscuits gave DS2 a "dribble Rash" so never gave them to him.
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What kind of oatmeal cereal was it Amy?
Heinz brand, in a green bag. I checked the back and there is no rice in the ingredients, although there is a bunch of other stuff other than oatmeal. I guess it is for preserving, but my hippy roots are rearing their head... I think that I will try to make my own. I did with DS; it isn't hard.
I think that for finger food for the next while we are going to stick to fruit/veg... once I am comfortable that wheat isn't an issue, I will try bread. She loves feeding herself, so I guess we are going more the BLW route after all...
Day One of no packaged foods began today! We'll see...
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Sounds like a fantastic plan Amy!
Start grinding those oats :) Although, remember that oats can be cross contaminated with wheat ;)
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Babies don't NEED cereal. Really :) Avocado is a great substitute, with healthy fats, and loaded with vitamins. White beans, spinach, prunes, and peaches all have wonderful sources of iron if you're concerned about that.
Grain cereal is thought to be a good first food because of it's consistency, it's simple to prepare, and it can be fortified, but babies don't really need to have it.
Just thought I'd mention it :)
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Just seeing this hun
Not one of my girls were able to handle rice. Every brand contains or is cross contaminated with milk unless you go to a health food store and buy a very expensive type ::) I was never able to find anything in a package that they could handle. What I did was make a big pot of porridge, added some applesauce because they were fine with it and pureed the snot out of it :P.
Most Mum-Mums have milk as the base for their flavour. If you want to try rice crackers that are a bit firmer when she's older they're in the cracker aisle at Superstore and made by Hot Kids. Same makers as Mum-Mums but the only ingredients are Japonica rice, Safflower oil and salt. E has done great on them.
I'm not sure if you've known what's been going on with us, but E is testing negative now to everything she's having reactions too. It's pointing to food intolerances and not allergies. Just as serious but no official way to figure it out except through elimination so you're on the right track either way. Keep writing this stuff down in case you make it to an allergist. It'll help make sense of things later on.
FX she outgrows this soon xx
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Most Mum-Mums have milk as the base for their flavour
Milk isn't used as the base for anything in a mum-mum... they are potentially exposed to milk products in processing... they don't actually contain any milk ingredients.
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Really? I thought I read somewhere they were. The toddler ones maybe?
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Nope, not the toddler ones either... they are just rice, sugar, salt, natural flavours (for baby and toddler ones), potato starch :)
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Huh. Well that's good then! But maybe more confusing here for Amy then :(
Oh and Superstore also has gluten free oats cheaper than anywhere I know of :)
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Oh and Superstore also has gluten free oats cheaper than anywhere I know of
For sure they do - but some celiacs can't have even gluten free oats ;) My SIL's kids are living proof!
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Well, I am back to not being sure what it is because her forehead is back to being really red, scaley, and cracked. So frustrating! I switched to Similac from Enfamil A+ a few days ago, and her poops are a bit less green and not runny. I had a free sample tin so though I might as well try it. I am taking advantage of DH being off Monday for the long weekend to spend some real time researching what our next move is going to be. It is going to be a milk trial; I just have to see what we should try.
Thanks for listening to me on this topic yet again ladies! I had a moment of weakness this week and talked about it on FB, which I hadn't done yet. ::) I don't usually talk about this stuff IRL to anyone except for DH.
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Amy the two I would recommend first would be Alimentum or Nutramigen. Alimentum is cheaper and comes liquid ready to go but I found it tasted quite metallic and E wasn't a fan. But ready liquid was pretty nice. It didn't agree with her so we took her off. Nutramigen was our gold. It's a powder and a bit clumpy so I would recommend getting a good protein shakers from a supplement store like GNC .
Both of those formulas are Hypo-allergenic and most los tolerate them very well without needing to go to anything more specialized and far more expensive. I really wouldn't recommend soy for a lot of reasons, but the main ones are that 40% of los who can't handle milk also can't handle soy. At first E was great on it and then the same things started again and I think her soy issue may actually be worse than her dairy. Tue other reason is more opinion but I'm not a fan of soy for little girls because of the hormones it can affect. There are debating studies on this.
If you need any info on mixing or getting her to take the stuff, pm me.
Hugs hun, you're doing great.
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when you stopped rice, did you inadvertently stop anything else?
Owen was on Alimentum and did great til 1yr at which time he could have cow's milk fine, but stayed on reflux meds until 15months. Wyatt is on reflux meds and Neocate because he is MPI. We tried Alimentum with Wyatt and he was just as miserable as on regular formula.
I agree that Alimentum would be a good place to start, remembering that if she is having trouble with milk proteins, it will take some time for those proteins to leave her body and for any damage to heal, in order to see a change in her symptoms.
Lastly, Owen wouldn't take the Alimentum at first, because I just thought he'd be happy to drink something that smells like hell. ;) But once we began substituting an ounce for an ounce every day or so, he was much more happy to consume it.
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My only concern at this point is this: will putting her on either of these two formulas harm her in any way if this is not the cause of her intolerance? Maybe 'harm' is a harsh word... basically what I mean is, will she be missing out on anything by trying these, if they are not what she needs? If not, then we are going to try Alimentum starting this week. I figure we'll give it 2-3 weeks, and if nothing has changed then we will try something else. I am hoping that her eczema will at least start to heal once I am on the right track. It bugs her so much... tonight she was whimpering and rubbing it so much at a bbq that our friends were commenting on how much it bothered her. :(
Zoey, I have been keeping track and nothing changed when we stopped giving her rice that I am aware of.
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No.... Owen was 90% for weight and height all thru baby/toddlerhood... and continues to be. :) Plus she is also getting solids, which adds even more nutrients. Alimentum/Nutrimigen however are complete as is... the proteins are just broken down some - or something very technical of that fashion :)
I'd give it a month, but of course that's me. You wouldn't want to stop before you got to see if it really worked. However there should be a slow but progressive change for the better, after a week or so.
Hugs
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Thanks Hun!
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Alimentum/Nutrimigen however are complete as is... the proteins are just broken down some - or something very technical of that fashion
Yep, that' my understanding too. When our paed made us try it, he said it was just the same as regular formula, except that the proteins were smaller, so easier to digest.
Good luck
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Along the lines of Neocate, there is Nutramigen AA as well...
Alimentum seems to be fairly consistent with pricing :) Checked Walmart... 4 x 237mls cans of RTF for $7.27 Cases of 24 cans are $44.99 at well.ca (free shipping).. a little more $$ but within $2 for the same amount :)
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Just chiming in that it's a complete formula and in no way would it hold her back if she were on it and didn't 'need' to be. It's not like a medication (I thought it was as in NB it had to be prescribed).
I would also give it a month. It could take ten days for the milk proteins to get out of her system and for you to see a difference if mpi is what's going on.
More hugs.
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I wanted to add that any studies done on the effectiveness of Alimentum for MPI were done with the Ready To Feed (RTF)- it will say that someplace on the can of powder or the can insert - if you buy the can of powder.
Also, strangely there are different ingredients in the powder form, than the RTF - http://abbottnutrition.com/products/similac-expert-care-alimentum
We always used the RTF type, because of this info.
More hugs
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I use Alimentum for Emily, Amy. I've only ever seen RTF, never powders anywhere.
The difference in Emily's sleep since starting this is AMAZING. I know it's not Anna's sleep you are trying to help though ;)
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That is strange, eh Zoey? I understand some of the ingredients being different, but you would think that both forms would work the same way. Weird. Well, like Jenn said we can't seem to find the powder anywhere... maybe they just have the RTF in Canada. DH is getting some now; he is out grocery shopping with DS.
Jenn, I certainly wouldn't mind if it helped her sleep! Since she was born we have only had two evenings (someone do the math there) where she has gone to bed at BT and stayed asleep. Not STTN until the next morning, but stayed asleep until at least the DF. It has gotten better in the last few weeks but she is generally awake 2-3 times between BT and the DF, and on a good night it is just a quick resettle. For months, though, she would just wake up screaming and inconsolable all evening long. :( She does STTN after the DF about 4 nights a week now, which is good. But DH and I are at the point where we would love to be able to hire a babysitter and go out for an evening, and it is frustrating that we can't. She has SA and is very, very attached to me... if anyone other than one of us tried to resettle her in the evenings we are too afraid that she would freak out completely. :-\
I still worry about her bowels. Yesterday she seemed constipated; she only pooped once towards the end of the day, and it was rather firm and small but brown. Then this morning she had a slightly softer one (still quite formed) and again it was a nice normal looking brown. And then about 20 min later she had a green diarrhea blowout. :-X Nothing to eat in between. What is that?? ???
Anyway, I am going to give the Alimentum a try and yes, I will give it a month. Thanks for the support girls!! You rock. I'll update you when we get an idea about how this is working. :-*
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Just checked the Similac website - we only have Alimentum RTF in Canada - no powder here!
http://similac.ca/en/products/alimentum/
Just wanted to add that green poops are actually fairly normal for a FF baby, Amy. It's the iron in the formula. DD is healthy and always had dark green poops on GoodStart :)
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Amy we used to call the first formed poo the 'plug' and then the diarrhea. Only E has had this and the three of them are mpi so symptoms can vary.
Fx she takes it well and things start to change for you all. I know the want to get out and not worry about someone trying to settle your lo. I hope you get there soon.
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Well, she had a nice brown one today, perfect texture I would say. Strings of mucus still there, though. DH and I actually got into a bit of a fight because I called him in to look and he hates doing that. He went off about how maybe her poops are just how she poops and maybe her size is just because she is small. Maybe she just wakes up a lot because she is a baby who doesn't sleep well. All possible. :( But what about her forehead, then?? I don't know. Arg.
BTW, that Alimentum stuff is gross! She is taking it, but not easily; I have to sing to her and make eye contact the whole feeding and even then she keeps popping off to whine/fuss. Oh well, she is taking it. We are on Day 2 and have gone through $8 in formula so far!!!
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Neocate is 32 dollars a tin. I feel your pain. :-*
Try not to become obsessed, and I say that from experience.. it's hard not to, but this sort of thing can become consuming. Look at Anna, she will tell you tons :-* :-*
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Look at Anna, she will tell you tons
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
FX you get some decent results. Yes it could all be chalked up to how she is, but....................
Hugs
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Neocate is 32 dollars a tin.
$54 in Canada!
Hugs Amy - follow that Momma instinct - it never gives you a bum steer!
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That was basically what DH told me when we talked about our argument later... he is concerned that my 'obsession' over Anna's issues bother me so much. I am going to try to relax a bit and just take a step back. I do get worked up. :) It's just hard when she's my baby girl... I am sure you guys understand.
Her forehead rash is going away. Now, I am not getting worked up because on the first few days of the rice trial it also got better before quickly going back to being cracked and scaley. But... we'll see!
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Fingers crossed Amy! Yes, it isn't cheap that's for sure ::)
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Your DH sounds like mine was. Hugs for that - it's harder than the issues with your baby I reckon. J is now 26 months and our intolerance days are behind us but I still feel the emotional scarring of him not supporting me with what I KNEW by gut instinct was going on with him.
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It's just hard when she's my baby girl... I am sure you guys understand.
10000% hun.
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That was basically what DH told me when we talked about our argument later... he is concerned that my 'obsession' over Anna's issues bother me so much. I am going to try to relax a bit and just take a step back. I do get worked up. :) It's just hard when she's my baby girl... I am sure you guys understand.
Her forehead rash is going away. Now, I am not getting worked up because on the first few days of the rice trial it also got better before quickly going back to being cracked and scaley. But... we'll see!
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Try to keep up with the food dairy if possible.
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How are things going?
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How are things going?
Kinda meh. Her poop was almost black this morning, which startled me. Is that the formula?? She is taking it more easily now, which is great. She struggled with it at first (it does smell horrid) so we had to go skin to skin with lots of singing and eye contact. Her forehead has cleared up a bit but this morning it is kinda scaley again. Not like before, though; it has gotten a lot smoother (was raised and quite thick/rough a few days ago) but this morning it looks like there is dried skin bits. She is doing great having just steamed fruit and veg for finger foods, and today we are going to try pasta.
I still can't get over the cost. I know I keep going on about this, but my goodness... we have gone through $32 worth of formula in the last 4 days. :o I had been saving my pennies for a woven wrap but now that money will have to go to special formula. I know it is selfish, but it is making me upset.
Here is her forehead from last week (with a pink hat on) and from last night (having a bottle), for comparison:
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Hmm... I was doubting whether there is any improvement, but there really is, isn't there! In both pictures you can see where she has scratched herself bloody; in the one from last night it is healing and she hasn't done it since the day we started the Alimentum.
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It looks so much better Amy! I know to cost of the formula is insane isn't it? ((((hugs))))
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It has definitely calmed down a lot! And how beautiful is she!!! Hope it continues to go well!!
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Amy I agree there is definitely some improvement :)
About the cost, I know it's different in Ontario but any chance it oculd be covered by insurance? Here in Quebec it is covered at 68% regardless of whether we have private insurance or if we're insured with the government (mandatory if we don't have private insurance). But I know it's different in Ontario, someone else on these boards was on Neocate and their private insurance wouldn't cover it, but just in case, you should definitely check.
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Definitely look into your insurance's provision for Special formula. Most often you will need a letter of medical need to prove she needs it, so keep really great records for your DR (cause he seems like he isnt very encouraging about this?). I know nothing about Canada's system but I do have some experience in this area, so let me know if I can help.
And YES, I totally see improvement!!
Black (if you smear it, it may actually be very dark green) seems fairly common with hydrolyzed formulas.
HUGS on the cost, it is ridiculous and it is a lot. You can write the company and ask for coupons and samples. Also, some people check Ebay for formulas and they can get them at a reduced price.
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OH and PS, she is a DOLL! :)
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First of all I want to come give her a cuddle :) How cute is she?
I do think it's better. I know the price is ridiculous though. Any chance of ordering it from the States?
I think where it's been four days and you've seen some improvement in that says something and I'm really curious how she's going to be after ten days when the milk proteins from her other formula are out of her system (I do still think this is mpi). Don't forget as she starts eating more solids her bottles will be less and this will all be a bit less ridiculous financially. It angers me so much that not all provinces treat this the same. You have to pay out of pocket here in BC but NB it was free. Friends of mine were in Petawawa and their son was on Alimentum and they had it covered by Sunlife. Not sure what you have if any extra insurance but worth looking into.
Hugs for the cost.
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We don't have any insurance. None. We pay for DH's medications, any prescriptions, etc out of pocket. His job is contract to contract and it just doesn't offer insurance coverage. DH is actually up for a 2 yr job right now that would have insurance, so if he gets that then we will be golden. He has had the interview and just found out that they are checking his references so that is positive. If he doesn't get it then we may have to look at doing something privately.
I will look on eBay and look into asking for samples/coupons, too. Honestly, we will pay for it somehow if it is what she needs... it is just sticker shock! And I *really* wanted that wrap. :( Oh well, what can ya do. If he does get that job, then I can still get it!
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HUGS :-*
Is it in a shop, or online? The wrap I mean.
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Amy - she's a beauty!!! Love her smile!
I see a huge improvement in her forehead!
Are any of these in your area Amy??
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/f-alimentum-formula-Classifieds-W0QQKeywordZalimentumQ20formula
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You are such a doll, Kara, always checking stuff for me. :-* No, none of those are close... I am in Thunder Bay. I put some feelers out today so we'll see what I can get.
Zoey, it was from an online store. It's a Girasol weave called Romantique. I should be able to find it when I am ready in the future. I am ok with it; I basically decided today that the wrap is for Anna and so is the formula, so it's all good. :)
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You are such a doll, Kara, always checking stuff for me. Kiss No, none of those are close... I am in Thunder Bay. I put some feelers out today so we'll see what I can get.
:-* Just doing what I can from so far away...
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Hi Amy,
Her skin looks SO much better!!! Anika's poops were dark green and mush on the alimentum without much solids as well. Ans she has this smell due to the alimentum!
Anika is 2Y1M and still on the alimentum. She refuses to drink it from anything than a bottle, so yep, Henry was off hsi bottles at 15 months and Anike is still going strong!! LOL, pick your battles, eh?
I have a Shopper's Drugmart card and collect optimum points with all the milk we buy. Anika shows no sign of being able to tolerate milk or soy. Ugh. Henry was on soya milk for almost a year now, so I was having dreams..... but....
I feel your pain, but I am SO glad she looks better and the advantage of the formula is that you take the HUGE variable out, your BM where you are NEVER sure if you had some or other offending food. It was SO frustrating, SO demoralising, SO disappointing for me to stop. But Anika being happier, made up for it in spades.
But the milk is expensive. Sorry!
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I just updated here, on p.7: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=229026.90#lastPost.
Thank you so much, ladies. I can't even tell you how grateful I am for your support through this. Dairy = bad for Anna!