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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: Jem88 on June 26, 2012, 06:59:38 am
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I've got another thread but it's quite long so i've made a new one :) My LO woke every 2-3hrs, sometimes every hour until she was 14 months, then with the help of Kaydee i then managed to get her sleeping through with just 1 wake up about 2 months ago she started sleeping well - 11.5-12hrs with just 1 wake up which was great. She then got a cold about a week an abit ago, we had an awful 4 nights but she then started sleeping well again.
She was currently doing 5hr A before her nap and then 6hr A before bed. She then started waking 2-3 times a few days ago and i was then advised that i should maybe increase her A time before her nap so i did 5.5hr A but she still woke up.
Lastnight she woke every 3hrs and did a 10hr night. The night before she woke up once and did a 11hr night, the night before that she woke every 30-60mins from 7.00pm - 11.30pm then she slept until 7.30am.
I guess i'm a little confused as why she's slept so well for the past 2 months until she got ill, but then she started sleeping well, but now she's not sleeping that well. I'll write down the past few days easy below.
Saturday 23rd:
7.00am - up
12.00pm - nap. 5hr
1.30pm - up. 1.5hr
7.00pm - Bed. 5.5hr
Sunday 24th.
8.00am - up (she slept in an extra hour so did a 13hr night.)
2.15pm - nap (she was at my mums and didn't nap until then)
3.15pm - up. 1hr (probably due to being OT.)
8.30pm - bed.
She woke at 9.00pm but then slept until 7.30am :D - a great night.
Monday 23rd.
7.30am - up.
1.00pm - nap 5.5hr
2.30pm - up 1.5hr
9.00pm - (I had her in bed for 8.20pm thinking she'd fall asleep at 8.30pm but she chatted until 9.00pm)
She woke every 3hrs and woke at 7.00pm after a 10hr night.
I'm thinking of doing this today as she had a short and unsettled night?
7.00am - up.
12.00pm - nap 5hr A time
1.30pm - up 1.5hr
7.30pm - Bed. 6hr A time.
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Hi Jem
What was her mood like today? that is usually your best indicator of whether you can push her in the morning or not. I would say the routine you posted with 5hr A was probably the best idea today.
What is happening when she wakes in the night? Is she playing? Or crying? And what time does she typically wake at night (when you say her NW's were down to 1 per night)? How do you respond to her - do you feed/cuddle her? Do you give her time to self settle? And is she an independent sleeper? Oh & is she teething ATM? Sorry for all the Q's just info we will all need to know!
Around 16 months I had to push my DS's nap later to 12.30pm (increasing his AM A time up to 5.5hrs) because of short nights/EW, but when I did this, he couldn't handle doing the 5.5-6hrs PM A time that he had been doing before. I kept bedtime at the same time & so his PM A time actually reduced to 5hrs. Any longer & he would be overtired at bedtime. Bearing in mind too that this was with a 2hr nap. Our routine ended up like this:
Wake: 7am (I woke him at 7am if he was still sleeping)
Nap: 12.30-2.30 (I woke him after 2hrs)
BT: 7.30pm
Its kinda hard to make comments on your EASY as each day is different, but I would say Saturday looks good, Sunday probably was OT (hence why you got NW 30mins after BT & a long lie in) and I also think monday bedtime was probably OT too. A 6hr A after a 1.5hr nap is too long, esp when she's already done 5.5hrs A in the AM.
I know you are capping her nap at 1.5hrs & you feel this has helped her NW, which is fine, but I think if you increase her morning to 5.5hrs you should try cutting her afternoon to 5hrs. So perhaps you could aim for
Up: 7am
Nap: 12.30-2 (capped at 1.5hrs)
BT: 7pm
If you find you are still getting wakeups & particularly if they are in the early part of the evening, I would urge you to try increasing her nap to 2hrs again. I think I told you this at the end of your last thread but I started capping my DS's nap at around this age b/c I was convinced the EW was down to too much day sleep. And it wasn't. He got really overtired & as soon as I reinstated his 2hr nap, but at a later time (12.30 instead of 11.30) he immediately started sleeping longer at night. He is 22 months & still napping around 1.75hrs & doing 5hrs A time to bed.
Hope this gives you some ideas to chew over.xx
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I don't think she's teething at the moment, she currently has all 16 teeth threw and doesn't seem to be waking in pain.
When she wakes she crys out but she's normally sitting up - I just go in and lay her down and she then goes back to sleep, she's sometimes standing up pointing to the door which then i go and get her some milk but this is maybe 1-2 times a week which i don't mind still doing.
When she first went onto 1 nap i was letting her have 2hrs but we found she would do a short night so we capped to 1.5hr and she started doing longer nights. I've tried putting her down after 5hr A before bed when i've done 5.5hr A before nap but sometimes like the other night she still chats and plays then making herself OT.
Yesterday went like i'd planned and she was asleep in bed for 7.35pm, but she then woke at 9.50pm, slept a full 6hrs and woke at 5.20am and then up for the day at 7.00am. - Not a bad night.
So do you think i should stick with the 5hr A before bed or push it to 5.5hr?
I know if i try a 2hr nap after 5.5hr A she'd probably need a longer A than 5hr before bed, but will this lead to OT? x
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Hi Jem, to me it seems she's always done better with longer A times so I'd be tempted to gradually push the nap out to 6hrs A. Then you should be able to do a shorter A to bed (maybe 5hrs?). IME of high A time kids the best way to minimise OT is to do the long A time in the morning and the shorter one in the afternoon. I think that will help her evening wake-ups if they are down to OT at bedtime. What do you think?
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I did 5.5hr before her nap today and she was was getting quite grumpy, but if i stick to 5.5hr for a few days then push it out 15mins more that should be okay? and keep bedtime at 5hr and see what happens?
-- I put her down for a nap at 12.30pm and woke up crying after an hour, i managed to get her back to sleep though. Maybe i should of put her down after 5hr 15mins? x
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she's sometimes standing up pointing to the door which then i go and get her some milk but this is maybe 1-2 times a week which i don't mind still doing.
You don't think she is starting to wake expecting milk do you? At this age she really shouldn't need it, unless she is unwell/teething & so off her food IYSWIM.
I know if i try a 2hr nap after 5.5hr A she'd probably need a longer A than 5hr before bed, but will this lead to OT? x
I thought this exact same thing - that he'd never be ready for bed with 5hrs A after a 2hr nap but YK what? He was. Very definitely so. The longer morning tires them out far more than you would think.
I definitely agree with KayDee on keeping the afternoon shorter at 5hrs max. This really helped me & DS keep abreast of OT. And the later nap tends to help with EW. I do think going straight to 6hrs A from a 5hr A is a big jump though & she may not be ready for it yet.
I put her down for a nap at 12.30pm and woke up crying after an hour, i managed to get her back to sleep though. Maybe i should of put her down after 5hr 15mins? x
This^^^ to me signals OT. It really does. Perhaps go gently hun - do 5h 15 to start with. Wait a week or so & see how she fares, before you decide if she needs the A time pushing out again.
xxx
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Yes, definitely do it gradually :) 15mins at a time and wait to see how she does before going further.
How has the afternoon gone?
x
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I let her have a 2hr nap, as i went to wake her after 1.5hr and she just wouldn't wake up but mainly i wanted to see how she slept after a 2hr nap. I then put her to bed for 7.20pm and she settled around 7.40pm which wasn't too bad as i thought she'd take longer after the 2hr nap.
7.00am - up.
12.30pm - nap. 5.5hr A
2.30pm - up. 2hrs (resettled after 1hr though.)
7.40pm - bed. 5hr 10mins. A
She then woke at 8.30pm, 10.50pm, she then slept full 6hrs and cried out at 4.50am but when i went in she wasn't awake, then up for the day at 7.15am.
I don't think the NWs are due to her wanting milk as she didn't stand up pointing to the door lastnight when she woke, she only really tends to wake for milk if she hasn't ate much at tea time.
I'm now not sure if i should try a 2hr nap for a few days but still push out her nap or keep it to 1.5hr? x
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I still think with the timing of those NW's (and the nap resettle) it is OT. Why not try it hun - esp if you are going to do a longer AM A time - she will need a longer nap to restore her for the afternoon IYSWIM. If her NW's increase or you get EW again then that is absolutely your cue to cut it back to 1.5hrs.
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Today i put her down for 5hr 15mins A before her nap but she didn't fall asleep until 5.5hr, i was going to let her have a 2hr nap but she woke herself after 1.5hr and this has been the first time she's actually woken herself after 1.5hr in months i've always had to wake her.
I then had her in bed for 4hr 50mins, thinking she'd fall asleep within 10mins like she usually does, but an hour later and she's still chatting and playing so it's now 6hr A before bed. - I'm confused..
Today has went:
7.15am
12.40pm - nap 5.5hr A
2.20pm - up 1.5hr
It's now 8.50pm and she's just this second fell asleep, it should of been 7.20pm. I don't understand how/why it's taken her so long to fall asleep!.. x
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Last night wasn't great, she woke every 2.5-3hrs and did a 10hr night :(
I'd normally do nap at 5hr after a short night but if i keep it at 5hr 15mins, wake after 1.5hr and then bedtime at 5hrs - hoping she'll settle easier tonight. x
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Sorry you had a bad night :(
That looks like a good plan for today. Stick with that for a few days and see how she does. Hopefully you'll have a better night tonight. I do think she's similar to my DD (who was on a 45min nap at this age :o) so it's possible the nap will need to be trimmed a little if bedtime continues to be so late. Since she was doing so well on a 1.5hr nap at 14months it's very possible she needs less now. Hopefully not as little as my DD! But give it a few days, maybe things will settle down without cutting x
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Yeah, the only good night we've had for the past 5 nights was sunday when she was at my mums and only had an hours nap so maybe she does need her nap shortned a little, but i'll keep going with the 5.5hr A for the next few days and see what happens. x
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So today went:
7.30am - up.
12.45pm - nap a time 5hr 15mins.
3.00pm - up. 2hr 15mins.
9.00pm - bed. A time 6hr.
I normally set my alarm if i go for a nap when LO does and i must of forgot and woke at 3.00pm and LO was still flat out, i had to actually lift her out of her cot to wake her lol. But she was in a great mood all afternoon, i then had her in bed for 8.30pm and she just lay quiet and fell asleep at 9.00pm with no fuss unlike last night lol.
I'm hoping for a better night today and we can start a fresh tomorrow with the 1.5hr nap. x
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You probably both needed the rest! Hope you have a good night x
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She woke at 7.30am, she was then asleep for 1.00pm, i woke her at 2.30pm and she was in bed for 7.25pm and settled around 7.40pm. But we've had a very unsettled night so far waking every 20-40mins she's either woken up crying and i've had to go in or she's just cried out and resettled herself. I'm not sure what's wrong, i gave her some nurofen an hour ago but she's woken twice since then - I'm not sure if she's teething though as she's got 15-16 teeth but her left hand top first molar hasn't properly cut yet so it could be that?
Am i doing the right thing by putting her down for her nap after 5.5hr? or should i go back to 5hr, as she was sleeping well when she was on 5 A before nap and then 5.5-6hr A before bed and she was settling almost straight away or within 5-10mins at bedtime. x
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She was quite unsettled until 10.00pm where she then slept until 1.00am and then up for the day at 6.30am. A 10hr 50min night.
Do i carry on with her nap at 5.5hr today doing nap at 12.00pm? x
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I'm not sure Jem. She seemed to be doing better in a longer A to bed. How does she seem at bedtime?
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When i was doing 5hr before nap and then having her in bed asleep for 6hr A before bed she was settling straight away or within 10mins and sleeping quite well..
I guess i could try 5 A before her nap and then 6hr before bed for a few days and see if she starts sleeping well again? She was sttn with just 1 wake up before she got ill with a cold/cough but she then started sleeping well again for about 3 days then it's been abit messed up since lol.
I've noticed the past few days when i've done 5.5hr before nap and then had her in bed for just under 5hrs she taken atleast 15mins to settle, sometimes a little more, and doesn't seem really tired, but then she's been waking a few times.. I don't know :S x
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Then it's probably best to go back to what you were doing before she was ill and see if that works better. Give it a few days and can take it from there x
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Today she woke at 6.30am, i put her down for her nap at 11.20am and she was asleep for 11.30am and i woke her at 1.00pm. I then had her in bed for 6.50pm hoping she'd settle for 7 ish but she chatted and fell asleep at 7.30pm.
So far she's woke up at 7.55pm and fussing just now at 8.00pm so she's clearly OT but i'm not sure why she took over 30mins to settle at bedtime? x
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Hmmm, she was asleep for 7.30pm, woke at 7.55pm,10.00pm,12.40am,1.30am, then woke for the day at 6.40am.
I think it was a week ago that she only slept an hour at my mums and she only woke 30mins after going to bed but then slept 10.5hrs, but she had her nap late that day, i think it was 6hr A before nap.
Would it be a bad idea to maybe try that, a 6hr A before nap, 1hr 15min nap and then bedtime of maybe 5hr and see what time she falls asleep? or would a 1hr 15min nap be too short after a long A? x
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My feeling is that she needs a shorter nap so I would go for it :)
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She woke at 6.40am, i put her down for her nap at 12.35pm and she was asleep for 12.45pm and i woke her at 2.00pm. She yawned at 6.30pm when i was starting her bath and was in bed for 6.50pm and has finally fell asleep at 8.30pm! another 6.5hr A before bed the same as lastnight.
I really don't know what time's to go for anymore as i know i've kind of messed about with her A times which probably doesn't help but she just seems to mess around at bedtime no matter what time i do her nap and put her down for bed, she's making herself OT at bedtime and then waking loads during the night.
Naptimes are totally fine, no matter what time i put her down she'll fall asleep within 5-10mins even if it's a 5hr A. x
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How did last night go?
By this age I worked more on set naps than A times. Want to try that? So you could do:
Up ?
Nap 12.45-2pm
Bed 7.30pm
See how that goes for a few days. And do put her to bed a little earlier (15-30mins) if she seems tired. If she does need a shorter nap it's best to go slowly at this age as they can get overtired. It's a tricky balance.
x
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Last night wasn't great but we did get a 5hr stretch before she woke for the day.
She woke after 1hr, 3hrs, 40mins, 40mins, 5hr 10mins and then was up for the day at 7.00am so a 10hr night.
I'll try that set nap & bedtime for the next few days and see how it goes. x
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I know NW are often OT but I think it could be the opposite for your DD and she's UT and just not settling into a deep sleep. Hopefully the shorter nap will help. How was her form when you woke her yesterday?
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I guess if she's UT that would explain why she's messing around at bedtime. She was fine all afternoon when i woke her from her nap. She didn't seem tired at all after i put her into her cot at bedtime, she kept asking for her ball and other toys which she doesn't normally do. x
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Today has went:
7.00am - up.
12.50pm - nap (I had her in bed for 12.35pm.)
2.00pm - up. 1hr 10mins.
7.47pm - Bed. (I had her in bed for 7.15pm and she faffed around until just before 7.50pm)
Will see how tonight goes. x
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Stick with the same routine again tomorrow and we'll see what she does. It can take a few days to see the results. Was she in okay form again this afternoon? Remind me what she's doing at the NW now. Is she resettling herself at any or do you have to go in? I know she was resettling very quickly before when you just went in to lay her down, is she still doing that?
Good luck for tonight. Hope you have a better one! x
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Hi Jem. See how she goes over the next few days - sometimes new routines can take several weeks to settle into place.
She is still so young to have a short nap of 1.5hrs or less. If she were doing a 12hr night she'd be fine, but she's not. And IMHO she sounds OT. She is doing a long A time both before and after her nap & while yes faffing around at BT can be UT, I'd doubt that with 6hrs AM plus 1h 10 nap she'd need almost 6hrs A time to bed. IME taking a long time to settle at bedtime can also be OT, esp when they are 'wired' or 'loop the loop'. When they get like this they don't seem tired at all but will likely be quite excitable & bouncing around a lot. When you say she was asking for all her toys I suspect she may have already been OT at this point. All the repeated NW look very much like that to me too. Sorry to contradict, just my gut feeling on this.
IIWM I would do like KayDee suggests i.e. set nap (for consistency) - at this age it does tend to work better than varying everything day to day, but I would really honestly be more inclined to try something more like a 12.30pm nap for 2hrs & 7.30pm BT & see what wakeup you get. I think with a later & longer nap she may surprise you & pull a longer night. Its exactly what my DS was doing at this age (til we hit 18 months regression). It was only post 18 months I had to push the nap to 1pm & at 20 months start capping below 2hrs (just by 15mins). Of course they are all different - just my 2p worth.x
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I know Claire, I'd be saying the same thing but having followed Jem for a while now her DD never slept through until she went to a shorter nap at 14months and instantly her sleep improved. She really does seem to do better on long A times and her night's sleep is generally more unsettled with a longer nap. She seems to do what my DS did and NW rather than EW when UT. I really think she's one who needs a lot less than 'average'. TBH, I hope I'm proved wrong!! It's a tough balance when if they need so little at such a young age.
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Last night was a much better night :D
She was asleep for 7.50pm, woke at 9.00pm where she was rolling around her cot crying, so i gave nurofen as i think she could be teething but i'm not 100% as she now has 16 teeth apart from a top molar which i think could be coming through. She then cried out at 10.15pm but i didn't need to go in and she then slept til 7.00am :D
Will do the same routine today. x
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Brilliant Jem! Stick with it so x
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So last night i put her down at 7.15pm and it took her until 7.50pm to fall asleep and that was after a 1hr 10min nap. She had a 1hr 15min nap today and i put her down at 7.15pm again in the hope that she'd maybe fall asleep earlier, but nope it's now 8.05pm and she's still chatting and shouting for toys again, i went in 10mins ago to see if she'd fall asleep if i stood with my hand on her but she just started giggling her head off!
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She finally fell asleep at 8.20pm. Today has been:
7.00am - up.
12.40pm - nap.
1.55pm - up. 1hr 15mins.
8.20pm - bed.
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Jem what is her mood like in the day? Does she look/seem tired? Happy or crabby/tantrums/clingy? This is often the best indicator of whether she's getting enough sleep, although temperament can play a part too as 'angel/textbook' babes will always handle OT much better than 'touchy/spiriteds'.
I still think it looks like she is OT. That is an awfully long time to settle after having such a short nap & its not like she is doing a short A time in the AM either. And her night last night wasn't that long at just 11hrs. My experience is that toddlers behave very differently to babies when OT. Babies will scream & scream whereas toddlers will bounce & shout & shriek & appear like they aren't tired at all.
I'm not sure you agree tho ???
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She's fine on a morning and tends to get a little grumpy before her nap but to be honest if i didn't clock watch i wouldn't be able to tell when she needed a nap etc as she seems totally fine but goes to sleep within 5-10mins when i put her down for a nap. The same at bedtime she doesn't yawn, rub her eyes etc.
Would a long A to nap and then another long A to bed make her OT after a while? She's totally fine after a 1hr nap, not grumpy at all. Would it mess her night up if she had a short say 5hr before nap, 1hr 10-15min nap and then a long a to bed? x
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Would a long A to nap and then another long A to bed make her OT after a while?
It will if it's more A time than she's able for. But to me it seems she does better on long A times. What's your feeling on it ???
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Yes 2x long A's with a short nap could definitely make her OT, esp at a young age. TBH tho, I've found with my DS he's better having the longer A in the morning & a shorter A time to BT, esp once the nap starts being capped.
If she is happy, not grumpy in the slightest after being woken & her mood seems fine & you don't feel she is OT, just stay with it. I've only just jumped in here at a late stage warning of OT & like Kaydee says, maybe she is just LSN. If she starts to wake repeatedly after bedtime or gets very tired out/upset during the day & looks tired, or if her nights shorten again I would reconsider & try extending the nap again. Its only because I've been in a very similar place to you, & started capping at quite a young age & it turned out I didn't need to & we hung onto the 2hr nap for 5 months longer.x
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I'm not sure, i did think she maybe wasn't tired but we've had our 1st wake up after 40mins. I'll see how the rest of the night goes. x
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I'm not really sure if she's OT or UT as she woke after 40mins but then slept until 7.30am, i think if she was OT she'd wake alot?
Will keep with the routine today, still do nap at 12.40am and have her in bed for 7.30pm & see what time she settles. x
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That's another good night! Definitely an improvement although those evening wake-ups do sound a touch OT. If they're still happening after a few days we can see what else to tweak. Her A times will end up being shorter today due to the later WU so it will be interesting to see if that helps or not.
x
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Hmm, last night wasn't too great but i think she was OT. She was alseep for her nap at 12.45pm and i heard her mumble something at 1.45 but she was then silent until 1.55 when i went up but she was standing up so i think she'd probably woke at 1.45pm. I then had her in bed for 7.20pm but she chatted and was asking for toys again until, she finally fell asleep at 8.40pm.
She then woke at 10.20pm 12.20am 4.10am then up for the day at 7.55am.
I just can't seem to get her to go to sleep any earlier than she has been the past few nights she's been having 6hr + A's before falling asleep.
x
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Sorry you had a bad night :( I'm wondering if her nap was shorter because she was up later yesterday morning so her morning A was shorter. And then a bit OT by bedtime? How would you feel about waking her at 7 every morning to keep things consistent while we figure this out ???
For today you may need to do nap & bedtime later as she was up later. But that depends on how tired she is after the unsettled night x
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I was thinking of doing her nap at 1.00pm, i know it's only going to be 5hrs but if i do it any later and she does another long A to bed she'll be awake past 9.
Before we started having nws again she was doing 5hr A before her nap, 1.5hr nap and then i was putting her into bed for 5hr 50min A and she would be asleep within 10mins having a 6hr A.
Should i maybe try the 5hr 50min A to bed again? tonight if i put her down for a 5hr A before nap? x
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Sounds like a good plan. Keep us posted :)
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Before we started having nws again she was doing 5hr A before her nap, 1.5hr nap and then i was putting her into bed for 5hr 50min A and she would be asleep within 10mins having a 6hr A.
Actually, the more I think about it you are totally right and going back to A times rather than set naps would probably work best for her as she seems more sensitive to the amount of A in her day. So keep the shorter nap but with the same A times as before 5hr A / 1hr 15mins nap / 6hr A. Especially since the shorter A to bed isn't working anyway! And keeping one of them short should help keep OT at bay.
:)
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Hmm, she was actually asleep for 8.00pm last night but she woke at 10.35pm, then 30mins later at 11.15pm where i gave her some nurofen, she then slept until 4.45am where i woke up to her chatting/playing so i'm not exactly sure when she woke up but she wanted to get up for the day - i then left her playing until 5.10am where i got her some milk to see if she'd settle again and she then went quiet about 5.20am and i then fell asleep and woke at 7.30am, went in to see LO and she was laying down with her eyes open so not sure how long she'd actually been awake.
On a morning she doesn't wake up crying, she wakes up and either lays there quiet and then starts to play/chat, which does wake me up but i'm not sure if i wake up straight away when she's chatting/playing or if she's been doing it a while before i wake up as she's not that loud.
But yesterday went:
7.55am - up.
1.00pm - nap
2.15pm - up 1hr 15mins
8.00pm - bed.
I had her in bed for 7.45pm thinking she'd chat and play until 8.15pm but she fell asleep at 8, i'm thinking she woke at 4.45am wide awake as her day was only 12hrs? x
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I did 5hr before her nap and she settled fine, but woke up crying after 30mins but i got her back to sleep, she then woke 15mins later chatting then went quiet again after a about a minute - this was 10mins ago and i haven't been up to check so i'm not sure if she's awake or went back to sleep. :S
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Could 5hrs A be too short for her now? If you do 5hrs 30 mins A/ 1hr 15min nap / 5hrs 45mins A that would give you your 12.5hr day ???
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She was awake, so she only had 30mins and has been grumpy since :( I guess i could do the above :) Just worried that she'll mess about at bedtime again but if i wake her at 7.00am (will start setting my alarm.) and keep to the set A times then maybe she'll not mess around after abit. x
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I had her in bed for 7.00pm tonight and she fell asleep a few mins before 7.10pm. I didn't want to put her to bed any earlier as she was up for the day at 7.30am. She started with a runny nose this morning, has been stuffy and sneezing, i just hope it's down to her teething and getting her top right molar and hopefully not another cold!.
I've gave her nurofen before bed so hopefully that might help and i'm hoping for an okay night. x
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Hello Honey,
I have read through your thread briefly and with fresh eyes I have to say she just sounds dreadfully OT to me. IME and others when it gets to this stage you're getting NW or EW it can be really beneficial to allow catch up. IIWM I would allow a 2 hour nap bringing it forward and then do EBT if she short naps. If she takes the long nap then I would recommend a longer day rather than a shorter nap. Then when she feel better reassess. She seems very young even if LSN to have her nap capped so short :'(
Vicki.x.
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When she was still on 2 naps she was having a 30min AM and 1.5hr PM, so when she went onto 1 nap i was letting her have 2hr max and it wasn't until i cut her nap to 1.5hr she started sttn with only 1 wake up, she did this for about 6 weeks. she then got a cold & cough and her sleep went awful for a week & abit, she then sttn with 1 wake up again for 3 days, then we started having problems again.
I know she doesn't need a longer nap, anything over 1.5hr gives us for than 1 NW due to her being UT i guess.
So yesterday i put her down for her nap after 5hr A, she fell asleep within 10mins as normal but woke after 30mins, we then had a restful nights from 7-10pm but she then slept 10pm - 4.30am (grumbled but didn't really wake) and was up for the day at 6.50am. I then did her nap for 5.5hr A today and again she fell asleep within 10mins as usual and woke herself after 1hr 15mins.
I then had her in bed for 7.30pm, but it took an hour for her to settle and go to sleep. So she ended up with a 6hr 50min A before bed!. We have no problems with her settling before her naps. She settled for bed within 10mins yesterday but was restless for the first 3hrs so i guess she was OT from the short nap yest. x
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Hmmm, i really don't know. We had 6 NWs last night, the first one she woke after 30mins really upset, started coughing/crying and was sick. But the rest of the NWs she woke up chatting/mumbling. She also woke at 3.30am wide awake, i left her chatting for 15mins then went in and she started asking for the ball then wanted me to pick her up - so i went and got some milk as she didn't eat much tea and then was sick after bedtime.
She then settled about 4.00am but woke for the day at 6.30am.
The first wake up i'd say she was OT but the other ones i'd say she was UT, but i don't know.
I'm going to do 5.5hr before her nap again today but she's stopping at my mums for the night tonight so i'm not sure when she'll settle at bedtime. x
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Hiya,
and then was sick after bedtime.
So is she poorly ???
Can I ask how long her day was when she was having a 2 hour nap ???
Try and relax while your Mam's got her ;) they can cope, although If your anything like me, you won't ::)
Vicki.x.
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She started with a cold about 2 days ago then the cough started last night, she actually done the same as in made herself sick as she was upset/coughing when she started with her cold a few weeks ago.
I can't actually remember but i know if i do a 2hr nap she'll take even longer to settle at bedtime. x
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I can't actually remember but i know if i do a 2hr nap she'll take even longer to settle at bedtime. x
I was asking this in case her day was 12 hours long Hun. DS needed a 13 hour day for a 2 hour nap to work. Do you think you could stop cutting the nap back any more if her day was longer so she would settle better at BT. That's my train of thought. What's her planned routine atm ???
x.
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I'm not sure if it would work Vicki, Jem's DD is doing a 6hr A time after a 1hr 15min nap so a longer nap, if she would take it, would make for a very long day ???
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Gosh she likes her long A times then, I'm presuming she needs a long one in the morning too ???
Okay Ladies I'll leave you to it ;) I just wanted to look over with fresh eyes, I feel so sorry for her and just trying to figure out why the NW haven't stopped if cutting the nap further was the right move YK ??? Usually it's OT to blame all the way in the long term :-\ and LO's have to CU somehow :(.
Everything X'd things get better soon. Big (HUG)
Vicki.x.
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How are things going Jem?
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Yesterday i totally lost track of time while i was at my dads with LO, so she did a 7hr A before her nap! she didn't seem tired and wasn't yawning at all but she did wake after 40mins during her nap crying and it took me 5mins to settle her back to sleep and it was clear she was very OT which i knew she would be.
Yesterday went:
6.00pm - up
1.15pm nap
3.00pm - up. 1.5hr
8.00pm - bed.
She woke 4 times last night but i only had 2 go in and resettle her twice the other 2 we're just little cry outs. I've noticed for the past few days she's sleeping better if she has a 5-5.5hr A before bed rather than the 6hr she was wanting/doing about a week ago.
Will try this today and see what we get tonight.
6.45am- up.
11.50am - 1.20pm - 1.5hr
7.00pm - bed?
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My DS preferred a shorter A to bed too. So we did 6hrs in the morning and 5hrs in the afternoon. Something like:
7am up
1-2.30pm nap
7.30pm bed
Good luck for today!
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Last night she slept really well with only 1 wake up and a little cry out :D and i'm not even sure why lol.
Yesterday went -
6.45am- up.
11.50am - 1.20pm - 1.5hr
7.10pm - bed.
She then slept a full 7hrs 40mins and woke at 2.50am where i had to go in and re-settle as she was stood up with her blanket as if it was morning but she went back to sleep fine. She then cried out 40mins later but i didn't need to go in. Then up for the day at 5.45am.
I'm going to try a longer A time today before her nap and then a short A before bed and see how she sleeps tonight.
I guess i know she can kind of sleep through but i'm not sure why she does some nights and then doesn't for a while as apart from last night the last time she slept more than 4-5hrs was the 15th a week ago. x
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Is she teething atm? I found wakings at that time of night were usually teething related.
Glad to see her routine is looking a little more settled. She doesn't look so OT now. I think nudging her nap a little later is a good idea & will probably encourage a consistently later wakeup time. Just do it very slowly so as to avoid her getting too OT, & keep the A time to BT at around 5hrs, 5.5 absolute max & I think she'll be fine.
Good luck.x
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I'm not 100% sure on the teething, she has all her teeth through now apart from the top right molar which is half way through. She's had a snotty nose for the past 3 weeks but doesn't seem ill.
I'm going to try this routine today and see what happens tonight. And hopefully we'll get a wake up after 6.00am tomorrow. x
5.45am - up
11.45am - 1.15pm - up.
6.30pm - bed.
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I'd hazard a guess the molar will still be causing some discomfort.
Routine for today looks good. If it works out ok I'd probably hold consistently for a week & then push her nap & BT 15mins later til you are at something like
Up: 6.30 ish
Nap: 12.30-2
Bed: 7pm ish
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Hmmm last night wasn't too great, but we did get a 12hr night with a wake up at 6.30am.
She was asleep for 6.30pm, did a little cry out at 7.00pm, 9.10pm, 10.50pm, then woke at 11.05pm where i had to go in and lay her down she then slept until 4.00am where i had to go and lay her down where she slept until 6.30am.
She was unsettled until 11.00pm but then slept okay after then - maybe a little UT? i'm not sure.
Seeing as she woke at 6.30am i can now do the above routine and have her in bed for 7.00pm and hope she settles before 7.30pm. x
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I noticed that not last night but the night before where she slept 7.5hr and only had 1 wake up she did a 5hr before her nap and then 5hr 50min before bed. So i was going to try that today so i put her down after 5hr for 12.00pm but she woke at 12.30pm moaning then crying so i had to go and resettle her, she then stirred 15mins later but settled herself. I guess she's maybe UT?
Will wake her at 1.30pm if she doesn't wake herself before then and have her in bed for 6.45pm and hope she settles for 7.00pm. x
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I had her in bed for 6.50pm and she took an hour 20mins to settle! and finally fell asleep at 8.10pm. She was chatting and messing about the whole time. So now i'm thinking she was maybe UT at nap time which caused the wake up and then UT at bed time due to the 12hr night and good night before last? x
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Hi Jem. IME OT wakings occur in the first few hours after bedtime & tend to be little cryouts where DS settles again fairly quickly, but just sounds a little unsettled, whereas UT would be faffing around at bedtime for ages, or long chatting NW or EW. So...I think last night the wakings before 11am sound more OT not UT. I also think today that if she were UT at naptime she wouldn't have woken at the 30min mark (30min naps were always a typical sign of OT for us) and if she were UT she wouldn't have resettled at all & she'd have woken happy. BT however could have been either - UT from short AM A & 12hr night previous, or she may still be OT. I think the night may give you a clue - if she wakes repeatedly in the first few hours after bedtime I'd say she is OT.
I honestly think atm your best bet is to try a routine consistently for a couple of weeks rather than switching between longer morning/longer afternoon every couple of days, as what happens today isn't necessarily just based on what happened yesterday, it may be the cumulative effect of the last 4-5 days IYSWIM? If you change things too often you can end up not really knowing which thing is or isn't working. I know its easier said than done though - I am also guilty of not always being consistent, but I will say it really does help more when I am.
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I do need to be more being consistent as i guess that's probably where i go wrong most of the time.
So last night she settled at 8.10pm, woke at 10.00pm and 3.55am. She then stirred and moaned a little at 4.50am where i went in to see if she had kicked her blanket off but she wasn't awake. She was then up for the day at 6.35am.
I guess i need to stick with maybe 6hr a before her nap and then have her in bed for 5hr a and hope she settles before 5.5hr for a few days/a week and see if that helps? x
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Yes, best to give any routine change a good week or so to see if it's working before reassessing :)
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So today we had a 6.30am wake up after bedtime being 8.10pm. So we did this routine today:
Up: 6.30am
Nap: 12.30-2pm
Bed: 6.50pm
I had her in bed for 6.35pm thinking it was maybe a little too early but she didn't cry and chat and mess about like last night she just lay quiet and fell asleep after 15mins. :D x
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Hmmm, she didn't really wake up as such but she did stirr and moan every hour-ish. She stirred at 6.30am which i thought she'd then start chatting but i had to wake her at 7 as she was still asleep.
Would you say she was OT or UT? I'm not sure. x
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I'd count it as a STTN if you didn't have to go in to her! :D
So hard to say why she might have been unsettled. Was it warm there last night? My DD was very unsettled last night due to the heat here in Dublin. It's been unusually warm for the last few days x
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I was going to put it down to the heat as it is quite warm here too. Hopefully we'll have another good night tonight. Would you wake your LO on a morning if you didn't need too be anywhere/go out? as i woke LO this morning as she was still asleep at 7 after a 12hr night and to keep routine but i felt bad about it as i don't normally have to wake her. x
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I'll testify that IME its better to wake them. I HATE doing it, but I find if I don't, and DS sleeps in, then he's not ready to nap at usual time, so I have to do a later nap, then if he has the same length nap as usual he needs a later BT, but if I cut it shorter & wake at usual time he is shattered by BT. So in some ways, if you want a regular routine, or at the very least whilst you establish a new routine, I'd say its a good idea. Once she is settled you may be able to relax it a bit more.
I'd just try & repeat yesterday & see how she does overnight tonight. Good luck.
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Yes, I always woke to keep things consistent when tweaking a routine too. Good luck for tonight!
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Last night was quite a good night. She fell asleep at 7.45pm after a 5hr 15min A slept a full 6hrs and woke at 2.45pm crying/screaming and holding her foot up, she has a habit of sticking her arms/legs/feet though the cot bars so i'm not sure if she had got her foot caught or not. But i calmed her down and layed her down, she then woke again after 40mins and then 10mins later, then 20mins so i gave her some milk & nurofen and she slept from 3.30am and is currently still asleep but i'm going to wake her at 7.30am. x
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So i woke her at 7.30am yest morning, did nap 1.30-3pm then she was asleep in bed for 8.30pm. She then stirred at 3 and again at 3.30am but i didn't need to go in :D
I got up at 7.00am, sneeked in to check on LO and woke her by accident (won't be doing that again lol.)
So will do -
Up. - 7.00am
Nap. - 1 - 2.30pm
Bed. 7.30-8.00pm.
She does seem to be sleeping alot better with the 6hr a before nap and then being in bed for 5-5.5hr.
She had about 10.5hrs sleep last night, with a 1.5hr nap, but it would of been 11hr if she woke at 7.30am. Is this enough sleep? x
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Ah that's brilliant!! If she's in good form with those sleep totals then it's probably all she needs, her mood is the best indicator. Anything from 12-14hrs seems typical at this age. My DD was doing around 12-12.5 at 16months. DS did more like 13hrs total.
Yay!
x
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Last night wasn't a great night, and we ended up with a 5.50am wake up and a 9hr 45min night! :(
My mum took me, LO and my sister to Asda yesterday and i thought we'd be home before LOs nap but she ended up falling asleep in the car on the way home but it was only 15mins after she should of been asleep so a 6hr 15min A. I then managed to transfer from car to her cot and she slept fine until i woke her at 2.30pm after a 1hr 15min nap.
I then had her in bed for 7.15pm but she didn't settle until 8.10pm so a 5hr 40min A before bed. She then woke after 3hrs, 2hr 20mins,1.5hr then she slept another 3hrs before waking for the day at 5.50am.
I had to go in at every wake up too, so i'm guessing she was OT? I'm going to stick with the 6hr A before nap today and see if she sleeps better tonight. x
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Sounds like it hun - prob because morning wee bit too long & nap wee bit too short. But never mind, these things happen & you can usually get caught up the next day.
I think the routine you posted looks good, though I'd probably err on the side of caution & do the slightly earlier 7.30pm BT if I were you. If she chatters til 8pm thats fine, but its better than waiting til 8 & her be OT IYSWIM? Glad things are looking a bit better now anyway.xx
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I'm hoping she sleeps abit better tonight as i did 6hr A before her nap, woke her after 1.5hr at 1.20pm and then had her in bed for 6.15pm and she was asleep at 6.35pm. Just hoping i don't get a wake up before 6.00am. x
Up -5.50am
Nap -11.50-1.20pm
Bed - 6.35pm.
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Last night was alot better and we had just under a 12hr night. She first woke after 40mins, 3hrs, 30mins, then another 30mins where she was crying/really upset and then would cry when i left the room so i had to stay beside her cot until she fell asleep which isn't normally like her as i can now leave and she'll happily fall asleep.
She then slept 11.30pm - 6.25am. x
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Last night wasn't too great either.
Yesterday she was up for the day at 6.25am, nap at 12.25pm which she woke herself after hour 15mins, i then had her in bed for 6.20pm and she fell asleep at 6.50pm. 5hr 15min A.
I'm not sure if she's OT, UT or just unsetted due to the heat? I had to wake her this morning at 7.00am but she was stirring a little from 6.25am but wasn't awake. x
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Hiya,
Honey if she has a super short nap like that, IIWM I would try again after a short time, because even EBT is going to mean major OT after only 15 mins sleep TBH, especially if she's already OT. Is that something you can try ???
Vicki.x.
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She napped for 1hr 15 mins not just 15mins, i normally wake her after 1.5hr so it was only 15mins less but she fell asleep at bedtime after 5hr 15min A time after nap. x
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Duurgh, sorry Darling, I only saw the numbers. I'm on my holidays visiting DG family and it's chaos and noise right now, so I'm obviously not on best form ::)
(HUGS) Honey.x.
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She was at my mums today and she took LO before her nap. Mum said she slept just over an hour so i did bath and had her in bed for 6.45pm and she was asleep for 7.00pm. She's currently been asleep an hour. Hoping for a good night. x
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Hiya hun. Hope her night is more settled. All these early evening wu's still sound OT to me hun, esp since you say she is also restless in the early morning. If they carry on would you consider trying a slightly longer nap again? You might find that with a 6hr A in the morning, a longer nap should mean she is refreshed & can last through to bedtime ok without getting overtired. She is still so young for a capped nap.
I have been where you are & was so convinced it was what my DS needed because he stopped falling asleep at bedtime & started waking early, but on a shorter nap of 1-1.5hrs we too had the NW in the first few hours after BT & restless early mornings. Some nights he would sleep 12hrs, others just 10.5, but no matter how long his nights, he constantly looked tired.
It turns out he is simply a long nap / shorter night kinda kid. He is almost 2 & I have recently stopped capping his nap & ok he is going to bed later, but the difference in him for having the daytime sleep that he needs is amazing. He wakes happy & refreshed from his nap, is happy all day & the red rimmed tired eyes are gone & so are the NW's.
Of course they are all different, but I wonder if its something that may be worth a try.
HTH.x
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I'm not sure about a longer nap.. Last night was actually a better night after she had just over an hour. I asked my mum to start Sophies nap about 12.50pm and she said she fell asleep in the buggy for just over an hour, so i was taking it she woke up around 2ish and then in bed asleep for 7.00pm.
She then slept 3hr 50mins, 1.5hr then 6hr 20mins and up for the day at 6.50am. She did stir and moan at about 5ish but didn't wake/i didn't need to go in.
She isn't grumpy or seems tired during the day, it's normally around 20mins before her nap or bedtime she starts to get grumpy. I'm really not sure on the longer nap, i know she'd probably sleep longer but it always gives us a shorter night which i wouldn't really mind if she slept well. x
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I did a nap of 1hr 20mins today 12.50pm-2.10pm as i realized after I'd woken her that I'd woken 10mins earlier than i should of. I then had her bathed and in bed for 6.50pm and she lay quiet (she normally plays and chats for 10mins) i waited until 7.00pm to check on her and she was asleep. x
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Good luck for tonight x
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Last night was good, she did wake twice but she had another 12hr night with a 7.00am wake up. She was in bed asleep for 7.00pm, woke at 11.30pm and 4.10am.
Should i do a nap of 1hr 20 again today? as the past 2 nights she's slept a bit better with a nap of less than 1.5hr as yest was 1hr 20. x
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If her nights are better and your instinct is telling you that's what she needs then I would try it! It was around this age my DS went from 1hr 30mins to 1hr 15.
If it doesn't help then you could try Claire's suggestion of a longer nap & a shorter night. x
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Yeah, i'll try the 1hr 20min nap and early bedtime until sat as i think she's stopping at my mums sat night. Then if we are still having more than 2 nws then i'll try the longer nap and shorted night and see if that helps. x
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Last night we had 2 wake ups. She was asleep by 7.30pm, and woke at 10.35pm and 5.00am then up for the day at 6.45am. She was then asleep for her nap by 12.45 - 2.15pm. I then had her in bed for 7.20pm but she just lay quiet until 8ish, i actually thought she was asleep and had to sneek up and check but she was just laying quiet, and was still awake at 8, but i went up at 8.20pm and she was asleep.
For the past 2 nights we've had 2 wake ups but they've been roughly the same time. The night before last she woke at 11.30pm and 4.00am. x
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Are you having to go in to her at the WUs? Is she awake for long? Sounds like things are settling down a lot but it would be nice to get rid of those WUs!
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I do for the first wake up and she awake seconds, i lay her down/find her dummy and she goes off to sleep for the 2nd sometimes i have to go in, sometimes i don't. Like last night we had 2 nws again, round about the same times only last night she woke at 12.15am where i had to go in, but when she woke at 4.45am i didn't as she just cried out for a second.
She was then up for the day at 6.00am :( I left her chatting until 6.20am but she then started fussing. She had 5hr 50min A before bed last night but i can't work out if the short night/early wake up is UT or OT?
She hasn't been waking and asking for milk for about 2 weeks now, so i know she's not waking due to being hungry. x
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She was in bed asleep for 6.50pm lastnight, we had 3 wake ups. 8.30pm 8.50pm which i didn't need to go in for both, 4.00am which i needed to go in for and then she was up at 6.35am.
Bit of a nap disaster today as i had to go out and she fell asleep in the buggy at 11.00pm (she wasn't due her nap until 12.30pm) and woke up after 40mins but she was fine all afternoon and just played happy. I then had her in bed for 6.25pm and she was asleep for 6.30pm - I didn't want to do bedtime any earlier as i'm already ready for a night of a few wake ups and maybe a early start but we shall see lol. x
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Ah shame, these things sometimes happen & you did the right thing offering her an earlier bedtime.
I still think the short naps are leading to her becoming OT hun. Its so, so similar to what my DS did when I cut his nap back. I know on the first night she slept a long night, but after 2-3 days of shorter naps, she is suddenly taking longer to fall asleep at bedtime & the NW are increasing, and she fell asleep early for her nap today, despite having had a long night which should have left her feeling refreshed. IMHO these are all indicators that she may struggle with a short nap on a long term basis. At the end of the day you can't really get a feel for whether it is working or not after just a couple of days, you would really need to try it for a good couple of weeks & see how she does to make a decision for sure.
WRT the longer nap, all I can say is you won't know if it works or not without trying it. And whats the worst that can happen if you do? OK she may have a long NW, but then you will categorically know that it is not the way to go, and you will also know what you need i.e. shorter nap. I only keep harping on about this b/c I too spent many many months capping my son's nap short, b/c he EW with long nap & as a result of the short nap he had crying NW & restless nights & looked tired & still EW. Now he is napping longer it has all stopped. His night is shorter, no getting away from that, but he is well rested & far far happier. I can tell you're not keen though, so for now I shall keep quiet on this subject!
Hope she has a decent night.x
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Hey Honey,
I just wanted to chime in that you DD does sound like a carbon copy of Claire's Oliver and she has lived every moment of this already, so her advice is sound, as always ;)
Hang in there, (HUGS) to you.x.
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:-) hope your night is ok and not too early start tmw! I recently started cuting ds2 nap as he was faffing in bed til almost 9pm but it backfired as he was so tired he went to bed at 7pm and wu at 6am then was tired all morning and we are stuck in an early pattern! Xx
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She slept at my mums last night and my mum had her in bed for 7.15pm like i said but apparently Sophie decided to play around, my mum laid with her for an hour then took her downstairs and she ended up falling asleep around 10.00pm but slept until 5.45am. So i really short just under 8hr night!
The day before when she had a 40min nap, she was asleep for 6.30pm, we had 4 wake ups, but she was up for the day at 7.00am so a 12.5 night. x
She fell asleep in the car on the way home from my mums (2min drive away.) about 11.15am then went into her cot fine - will do a 2hr nap unless she wakes herself before then.
I've also changed the title of the thread as she'll be 18 months on saturday. x
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She STTN!! :D I wasn't expecting that lol. She was asleep for 6.50pm, stirred at 7.40pm but she wasn't crying then i didn't hear a peep until she woke at 6.45am :D
Yesterday went:
Up - 5.45am
Nap - 11.15 - 1.14pm - 2hrs
Bed. 6.50pm.
I'm going to do another 2hr nap today unless she wakes before, but i'm thinking she sttn last night as she had a really short night of 8.5hr before sleeping at my mums and was still tired but not OT after the 2hr nap?
So do i now stick to the 6hr A before nap and then have her in bed for maybe 5hr 15mins A and see when she settles? x
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Hi Honey,
That's super news. IIWM would try for the same formula. Even if it was the short night that helped her sleep through, sometimes these things are the 'spring board' that you need to get on the right track IYKWIM ??? so when things like this have happened to us I go with the same formula the next day. I think your plan looks good though, even though she did 5.5 A times split yesterday, I think 6 before her nap is a good idea after a good nights sleep then a shorter afternoon.
Good Luck :) I hope this is the start of a peaceful time.
Vicki.x.
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She was asleep for 12.45pm after a 6hr A but then woke herself chatting after 1hr 25mins. Will have her in bed for 7.00pm and see when she settles. Hoping for another good night. x
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Hiya,
If she short naps, I'd shorten the pm accordingly Honey. I'd go for a 6.30 BT latest.
Vicki.x.
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I thought there's no way she'd fall asleep at bedtime after a 4hr a time but i had her in bed for 6.30pm just to try it - we had screaming from 6.40pm - 7.40pm she kept wanting out of her cot but i just kept laying her down and telling her it was time for night night. She finally settled down about 7.40pm and fell asleep at 7.50pm after a 5hr 40min a.
She needs atleast a 5hr A before bed after a 1.5hr nap, i've tried putting her down earlier a few times and she's always chatted & played until 5-5.5hr but never screamed/cried like tonight.
Do i go with the 5.5hr A before nap and bedtime tomorrow like yesterday and see what happens? x
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Okay Honey, your MI was right ;) Sometimes it works beautifully, but now you know for sure again. It would work for Sam when he was younger but not now. I think trying the 5.5 before and after could be a good call. Worth a shot Hun.
x.
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She slept really well, i'd say she sttn even tho she did a little cry out at 8.40pm and 2.50am but i didn't need to go in. She was then up for the day at 7.40am. x
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A good night :) Are you going for 5.5 am and pm today ???
x.
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Yeah, will do 5.5hr for both and see how long she naps, will wake her at the 2hr mark if she's still asleep. x
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She had a 2hr nap 1-3pm, i then had her in bed for 7.30pm which was a little too early, she played around and finally settled at 8.50pm.
She then woke at 11.40pm, 2.50am, 5.30am and then up for the day at 7.15am.
I know she can sttn as she done it on sunday and she's done it a few times in the past but i can't seem to get it right. x
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Morning Honey, I wonder if those NW were down to UT at BT then ??? It's like they finally go over when they're tired enough but the unsettled time before hand disturbs the night....what do you think ??? UT NW or OT ???
Stick with your MI and go with 5 hours minimum for BT PD. Did it take her a while to settle for her nap hence the shorter A time in the pm ???
x.
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I never have a problem with naps, she always settles within 5-10mins no-matter that time i put her down it's just bedtime. I was think lastnight she was maybe UT after a 2hr nap as she did kind of sttn for a month before she got ill with a cold on 1.5hr naps But i'm going to go with the 2hr nap for a few days (if she doesn't wake beforehand) and see if we keep getting the nws then re-think after saturday?
She was asleep for her nap at 1.00pm going to wake her at 3pm the same as yesterday and then have her in bed for 8.00pm and hope she settles before 8.30pm. x
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Sounds like a great plan, exactly what I would do IIWM ;)
Good Luck :)
x.
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So she napped 1-3pm and i then had her in bed for 8.00pm and she messed about for nearly an hour again and fell asleep at 8.50pm. Woke at 11.25pm where i didn't need to go an woke at 4.50am where she crying but when i went in she was still laying down with her dummy so i'm not sure if she was awake or crying in her sleep? I'm going to wake her in 15mins at 7.30am.
I'm thinking of doing 5.5hr A before nap -1.5hr nap and then putting her to bed for 5hr A and hoping she settles for 5.5hr and it'll make her day shorter too. I know i've only gave the 2hr nap about 3 days and probably not enough time to see if it's helping but at the mo she's taking nearly 6hr a to settle at bedtime there for going to sleep at 9.00pm and i'm having to wake her at 7.30am to fit her nap in.
I think the 2hr nap helped on the sunday and monday as it helped her to catch up from the very short 8.5hr night she had at my mums but now she's UT at bedtime if i put her down before 5.5hr. But at the mo we're still getting 2 nws the same as we we're on 1.5hr nap, so maybe she's waking due to being UT? I'm not sure. x
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I think the 2hr nap helped on the sunday and monday as it helped her to catch up from the very short 8.5hr night she had at my mums but now she's UT at bedtime
It certainly sounds that way... :-\ and of course the problem is the day length runs away with you doesn't it. When you capped before what did you start with ??? have you tried 1 hour 45 naps ???
Vicki.x.
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We started with 2hr nap when she first went onto 1 nap, then 1hr 45 then 1hr 30, i guess i could do 1hr 45 today and see if she settles at bedtime any earlier? x
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I would IIWM I think, it's such a fine balance and maybe you need to take it every so slowly to find out where to stop. Maybe cut 10 mins at a time ???
Do you think she may be a LO who you could allow to nap as long as she wants and accept a short night ??? I know some LO's do well like that, although it does of course make for a late BT, so it all depends on whether you can handle that. I know my evenings are precious 'ME' time and I hate the later BT, which is why I'm waking Sam in the morning's atm.
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One other thing to bear in mind that is at 18 months there is a big sleep regression & it is very common for Lo's to suddenly start taking ages to fall asleep at bedtime, its like their little minds can't switch off. It happened for us & I tried cutting the nap back b/c he didn't seem tired enough at all & in the end (probably after about 6 weeks) he suddenly went back to falling asleep easily again. I'm not saying it is this for sure, just that it may well be adding to your current issues. If you feel the nap length is whats causing the troubles, cut it back down. Just go very very slowly.
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Hiya Claire,
Absolutely, but did it last this long though Honey ??? Jemm's LO is moving closer to 20 months now :-\ Not disagreeing, this is just a genuine question as to how long it can last ??? I have a dreadful memory ::) Bet your bottom dollar Sam went through it but I'll be damned if I can remember. Need to go back through old threads of mine :)
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Today has been abit odd, she woke herself just before 7.30am and has been grumpy and whinging all morning which is abit unusual. I asked her at 11.50am if she wanted to go night night, she said yeah and went to the stairs door - I wasn't going to put her down for a nap until 1.00pm. She fell asleep within 5mins and had a 2hr nap. Will have her in bed for 7.30pm and hope she settles for 8.00pm - That will give us a 6hr A before bed but a shorter day.
Not sure if the early nap was a good idea but she was grumpy and wanted to go to bed when i asked - i guess if she wasn't tired she wouldn't of went to sleep and had a 2hr nap, normally if she falls asleep early or naps early she doesn't have more than 1.5hr. (normally 40-50mins if we're out.)
She'll be 18 months on saturday (2 days time.) :) x
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She'll be 18 months on saturday (2 days time.) x
Because this thread started weeks ago, I presumed from the title she was way past 18 months now.
I'm sure you made a good call today, she wouldn't have slept so quickly if it was wrong.
Good Luck.x.
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She was asleep for 8.00pm last night, 6hr A but a shorter day of 12.5hr. She moaned at 1.45am and 4.50am but i wouldn't say she woke up as she wasn't crying. :D She woke for the day at 6.45am - not sure if this is because she woke as my OH got up at the same time or if she woke herself.
Should i try the early nap again, maybe try -
Up - 6.45am
Nap -11.45am -1.45pm 2hr
Bed. 7.45pm.
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Hiya Hon,
That's a great night. Is there any ways he will do short morning long afternoon? maybe that early nap was key?
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I'm going to try that today and see if she sleeps well again tonight. I haven't actually tried a short A of say 5hr then a 2hr nap then a long A before bed before as i thought she needed a shorter nap. x
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I did the routine posted above and LO was in bed for 7.25pm. And she's just fell asleep at 8.40pm! making it a 6hr 55min A before bed and a 13hr 55min day.
What do you suggest i do tomorrow, do i go with the 2hr nap after a 5hr a again? As this morning she was pulling me to the stairs door when i asked if she wanted to go night night and she slept the full 2hrs - so she's tired when going for a nap. Hmmm.
She's also stopping at my mums again tomorrow night and after tonight taking ages for her to fall asleep, i'm now worried she's going to do the same as last saturday and take ages to go to sleep and end up in bed really late and only have a short night - we'll then be back to her being OT and grumpy until monday. I'm hoping my mum doesn't take her downstairs again and she ends up with a long A of 7.5hr!. x
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My goodness she's a tricky little monkey : ;)
Okay, so it's the long A time to BT that is key then ???
Do you think she actually needed an extra hours A time tonight to BT, or less than that but took a long time to settle because she was UT at PD, do you understand what I mean ??? probably not, hard to explain ::).
So what about keeping the nap as early as she will go down, but start capping by 10 and maintaining for a few days before capping any more :-\ I'm still hesitant to suggest this because she's so young, but more than anything it's a long restorative night that will combat the OT rather than an extra 10 mins on the nap, although it isn't quite as straight forward as that, as we all know :( It can also be about how the sleep is spread.
What's your feeling atm, or are you pretty brain dead with it all now :'( Trust me I know that feels.
(HUG)
Vicki.x.
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I've actually no idea now, it seems like i've tried everything lol. I don't think she'll go down for a nap any earlier than 5hrs and if she does she might not sleep 1.5-2hrs as she might be UT? and then i'm thinking if she has a really long A before bed then she'll do a short night? Like last sat she had a 1.5hr nap and then ended up with a 7.5hr A and going to bed at 10.00pm but she slept through until 5.45am and then had a 2hr nap the next day and slept though a full 11.5hr without making a sound lol.
I'm not sure what to do really.. x
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My goodness, yes the problem is if the first A time is too short then you can get an UT nap and need longer to BT in the pm. What about sticking with 5 hours first A time then a 2 hour nap and try and put her down 15 mins before the A time she has been needing, which is what 6.5 hours ??? So for eg if her day started at 6.30:
WU 6.30
Nap 11.30 to 1.30
BT PD 7.45 hopefully asleep quicker by 8.00
Is this unrealistic ??? I'm wondering if she is just going to be on of those LO's who prefers a short night and long nap. So if she could consistently sleep 10.5 hours at night with a 2 hour nap, then for a LSN baby she could do just fine KWIM ???
Is your goal to lengthen her nights or just have a well rested baby however it can be done ???
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I'm not sure if she needs a 6.5hr a before bed as last night she was asleep after a 6hr a, the 2 previous nights she was asleep for just under 6hr A but tonight she's went for a nearly 7hr A. I did put her in her cot tonight 15mins later than i did the past 3 nights maybe that has something to do with it - i don't know.
I don't mind if she has a short night and a long nap i'm just trying to get her to sleep well again before the new baby arrives, i've got 3 months until my due date lol. Plus i know she can sttn but she only does the odd night and i still haven't figured out why.
I guess tomorrow i'll put her down for her nap after 5hr A again, 2hr nap and then hope she sleeps ok at my mums. x
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Good Luck Honey, I know sometimes you have to stick with a plan for a few days to let it settle in before ruling it out.
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Lastnight wasn't too bad, she cried out at 10.35pm but i didn't need to go in, she then woke at 11.30pm crying and wriggling around picking her up, stroking her didn't do anything but she then stopped after a few mins and went back to sleep. She then slept 7hrs and was up for the day at 6.35am. A 10hr night.
She'd done a horrible soft/sloppy poo which smelt awful sometime during 11.30-6.30am so i'm thinking she may of had a sore tummy at 11.30?
Will stick with the 5hr A and then a 2hr nap - will then ask my mum to have her in bed for 5.5hr and then we'll see when she settles. x
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She'd done a horrible soft/sloppy poo which smelt awful sometime during 11.30-6.30am so i'm thinking she may of had a sore tummy at 11.30?
Ah bless her.
will then ask my mum to have her in bed for 5.5hr and then we'll see when she settles. x
IIWM I'm not sure I wouldn't do this ^ Hon :-\ If she does generally need a longer A time than most her age after a 2 hour nap, then I would be tempted to put her down after 5.45 A time so as to avoid her being UT and taking too long to settle again..do you know what I mean ??? I think she probably needs her day to be 13 hours long with a 2 hour nap. So today would look like this:
6.35 WU
11.30 to 1.30 nap
7.30 BT
What do you think ???
There are Lo's out there that deal much better with not allowing settling time. And if they're PD bang on when they're ready to go over, they manage to do it straight away. I have never allowed settling time for some more than 10 mins or he would always create and end up with a later nap or BT due to UT.
Vicki.x.
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Ah you could be right, I'll go with the routine you posted and ask mum to have her in bed for 7.30pm and hopefully she'll settle ok and not play around for ages lol. x
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Hope it works Jem..it's about time we cracked the formula for her eh ::) God only knows how these 'Go with the flow' parents survive LOL ;)
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Hmmm, so she was asleep for 11.30am but woke chatting at 12.50pm so a 1hr 20min nap, maybe she was a little UT after doing a full 7hr stretch before wake up this morning?
She's just gone with my mum and i asked her to have Sophie bathed and in bed for 6.45pm. x
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So.. Sophie was asleep just before 8.00pm, mum said she stirred a few times but didn't wake and then woke for the day at 6.40am. She should be back any min now so i'm going to put her down for her nap at 11.30am and hopefully she'll sleep 2hrs. Just over 7hr before bed, so i guess her 10.5hr night wasn't too bad - alot better than last sat lol. x
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So she still took over and hour to settle after even a longer A time..what was it 5.45 to PD ???
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I asked mum to have her in bed for 6.45pm which would of been 5hr 55min a and she took until just before 8.00pm to settle. Mum said by that time Sophie was getting abit upset and hitting herself/biting her fingers but she'll of been way OT by that point as she woke after 1hr 20min nap. x
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Just jumping here for some thoughts. Some of you know that my theory is that if a kid is prone to ew (like my and Claire's ds) he needs longer morning A time. If, on the other hand, he's prone to long settling time at bt, he most likely needs long afternoon A time. So, I think gou received a great advice in lengthen the afternoon A time. That said, I also had similar experience of Claire, with my ds needing 30-60 mins (or even more) to settle at bt at 18 months, and this lasted for a couple of months in total. It was fully developmental, and it stopped by itself.
The other thing is that my ds always did short nights (10.5-11), and required a long nap. Any attempt to cap it sborter than 2 h before2 yo resulted in an ot kid and made nights even worse, with night terrors in addition.
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Some of you know that my theory is that if a kid is prone to ew (like my and Claire's ds) he needs longer morning A time. If, on the other hand, he's prone to long settling time at bt, he most likely needs long afternoon A time. So, I think gou received a great advice in lengthen the afternoon A time.
But not so good in recommending the early nap.. :-\ which could be absolutely right, I agree. The only thing is as you may well know, when you extend both am and pm A times you end up with a very long day and OT perpetuates, so then what ??? needing to cap the nap ??? it's so hard. My Sam used to be an early waker for some time too ::). But henever needed a super long A time in the morning to improve, which is why it is so bloomin' hard to figure these little monkeys out ::)
The other thing is that my ds always did short nights (10.5-11), and required a long nap. Any attempt to cap it sborter than 2 h before2 yo resulted in an ot kid and made nights even worse, with night terrors in addition.
Yeah agreed :) I did suggest to Jem that this may be the case and she said she just want hers to sleep well and isn't concerned when she gets her sleep IYKWIM ???
So...Jem, I guess your options are to try sticking with the earlier nap and the longer pm for a few days to see what happens, then you can rule it our if it doesn't help.
Then you can try what Barbara is suggesting which will mean pushing the morning out, but you will have to reign the afternoon in again and hope the long am overides short pm......otherwise you're back to capping :'(. I have a feeling this is what you've already tried though isn't it ???
Is that what you did Barbara ???
Vicki.x.
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I am not sure I have been understood: I was actually telling that since Jem's lo doesn't seem suffering ew, but rather long time for bt settling, I agree that keeping the long afternoon nap could be the key. I am not sure about themorning A time, and my feeling about this is the same of Vicki (I think). I would also keep the morning relatively short (5 h seem quite short to me and just fine) because two long A times seem too much for a young age. If it doesn't work still, keep in mind that it could be developmental. This was the sense of my message. My case was different because F suffered more of ew and a too short morning A always led to ew, but this seem not the case of Jem's dd.
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Thanks for all the advice, it's really appreciated :)
She did another 2hr nap today but stirred at 1hr 25min mark but didn't wake. She only really has really long A times of 6.5hr + when she's stopped at my mums which i guess this isn't really too much of a problem as it's only every sat night as lastnight she did a 10.5hr night which is still okay. Tonight she was in her cot for 7.35pm and was asleep just before 7.50pm so a 6hr A.
I actually don't mind if LO wanted to do a short 10.5-11hr night and then a long nap as long as this didn't make her OT. So far she seems to be sleeping well on a 2hr nap which i didn't think she would, so i think I'll stick with the short 5hr A, 2hr nap unless she wakes herself before then like yesterday and then 6hr A before bed for a few more days and see how she goes. Today went:
Up - 6.40am
Nap - 11.50am - 1.50pm
Bed 7.50pm
A 13hr 10min day as she took a little longer to settle at nap time. x
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I'm sorry Barbara, the fact is I have too many threads going round in my head and I was thinking that Sophie was prone to EW when all this started but in fact she wasn't (I don't think) ::) So I was thinking that you were recommending the same as worked for Claire's Oliver which was long am, so I was a little confused as to how a long pm could be a godo thing as well LOL right I will :-X :-X :-X now as I bet you and Jem are really confused.
I totally see what you are saying now and I think it makes perfect sense...thank you :-*.
Jem it looks like a good plan to me, I'm so glad she is getting a lovely restorative nap :)
TTFN
Vicki.x.
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No problem Vicki! I see you have many posts going on and you're doing a GREAT job following all these different cases.
I am happy she's doing well now. A 10.5 h night is still good with a 2 h nap, especially if she sstn.
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Hmmm, she woke crying at 8.10pm, and i put it down to her being too hot as she was sweaty (I'd put a blanket over her when she fell asleep at bedtime.) She's just did a little cry out/moan a few mins ago. I guess it could be the heat but we've had a few warm nights and she hasn't woken much due to heat/being warm. Will see how the rest of the night goes. x
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Hmmm, these early wakings point to ot to me or something developmental. Are you sure they are not dreams or nt? Especially if she resettle herself without needing of your intervention. We suffered some periods of nt between 12 and 24 months, and they were related to tiredness or changes in life (like holiday times) or growth spurts. We had even a nt few days ago(the first in months) due to the first day on holiday and a no nap day and some gastric issues going on, so it definetly something to keep in mind.
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She hasn't made a sound since 8.20pm. She doesn't normally wake until a few hours after she's gone to bed unless she's OT or ill/teething etc so i think she was maybe just too hot? As she was really sweatty when she was crying at the first wake up but i didn't need to go back up when she did a little cry out 10mins after that. x
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Yes, it really may be discomfort as well. Vibes for a good night!
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So she was asleep for just under 7.50pm, woke at 8.10pm crying but she was sweaty so i was putting that first wake up due to being hot.. she then cried out/moaned at 8.20pm but i didn't need to go to her. She then woke at 10.30pm, 2.30am where she was quite awake, i woke up to her shouting for her dummy as she couldn't find it, she then asked for milk (she was half way though eating her dinner when OHs parents came round and this put her off.) she then didn't eat much of her tea as she'd been having cakes/biscuits as a treat (OHs parents don't see LO much as they live an hour away.) She then woke 40mins later - not sure why.
She then slept 3.20am - 7.30am (going to wake her in 10mins.) so that would give her a 11.5hr night. :)
Does it sound like she's a little UT or OT? I know the first wake up and then little moan 10mins later was maybe due to her being hot, and then 2.30am one being hungry but not sure about the 10.30 and the 3.20am one. x
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Good Morning,
11.5 night wow! actually I guess closer to 11 with ther BT and those wakings but still great. In all honesty I wouldn't like to guess what those NW are down to, I agree it does sound like she was too hot, we've had a couple of those lately too. It does look as though she is feeling better with the long nap though and something I do know 100% for sure is that 'sleep begets sleep' and once you can get LO on the way to feeling better they sleep so much more and so much better. So I wouldn't be surprised if she starts to act a little more tired than usual, Sam always does once he's started to sleep better. It's like they've been wired and it starts to unravel so they can rest , does that make sense ??? So having said that will she be able to achieve the earlier nap today after a a longer night ??? IIW Sam he would because of the latter but I guess you'll have to see how soon she will go over.
Is it your plan to do early 2 hour nap and 6 hours to BT again ???
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She didn't want to wake up when i woke her lol. She does seem grumpy this morning so I'm hoping she'll go down for her nap fine (she took 20mins to settle yesterday at naptime which is abit odd as she's normally asleep within 5-10mins). Hopefully we'll have a better night tonight. x
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Not a bad night, only 1 wake up at 12.50am but she only had a 9hr night. 9.20pm - 6.45am.
I had her in bed for 8.25pm thinking she'd settle for 8.40pm ish which would of been a 6hr a, but she messed about and finally fell asleep just before 9.20pm making it a 6hr 40min a. x
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Oh dear, 9 hours here last night too. It's the long time to settle that is so puzzling, even after 6 hours A time, for her age that should be plenty. How long is her WD Hun ??? she's not OS when you put her down is she ???
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When she wakes during the night, if i've to go in she's either lost her dummy, asks for "juice" milk which is maybe once a week if she hasn't ate well that day or i just lay her down and she's off to sleep again, she's only really awake seconds.
From the start of her bath til she's in her cot is about 30mins, she has her bath which is 15mins, then we go into my room and she gets dried, dressed, drinks her bottle while i do her nappy/pj bottoms on then she goes into her room into her cot, i say night night and then leave the room, i don't think she's OS before bed as it's the same thing/routine every night.
Lastnight she was playing about, throwing her teddys out of her cot and moaning for her bigger teddys on her shelves - she really didn't seem tired but she could of been OT? i'm not sure. x
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From the start of her bath til she's in her cot is about 30mins, she has her bath which is 15mins, then we go into my room and she gets dried, dressed, drinks her bottle while i do her nappy/pj bottoms on then she goes into her room into her cot, i say night night and then leave the room
Honey maybe this is all happening too fast. I would suggest a bath earlier, then cuddle time with TV/lots of stories, then take her upstairs again and do a story in the dark. It looks like she may need more time to come down..is that achievable for you ???
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I've always tried to avoid bringing her back downstairs to play/watch tv as I've always thought she'd get OT and take a good while to settle once she went upto bed?
Maybe i could do her bath earlier and she can play longer, maybe 30mins in the bath then 10-15mins getting dressed/having bottle then into her cot to settle?
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I've always tried to avoid bringing her back downstairs to play/watch tv as I've always thought she'd get OT and take a good while to settle once she went upto bed?
Maybe Hon, you could be right, but if the status quo isn't working then anything's worth a try (in this house anyway ;))
Maybe try your suggestion first..whatever it takes to give her a bit more time.
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I'll try that tonight :) Most of the time she settles at bedtime fine, she chats for 10-20mins but is usually asleep for 6hr or just under but then we get the odd night where she'll play about and chat for ages. Hopefully she'll settle okay and have a 6hr A tonight as she had a short night last night. x
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Hopefully she'll settle okay and have a 6hr A tonight as she had a short night last night. x
Me too. Sending you some (HUGS) today as well...this has gone on a long time now and you're doing really well to be hanging in there and staying patient. I know how hard it is. To be honest the older Sam gets the less patient I am. Think I'm just a grumpy old Woman ;)
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The other thing I can think is: did you notice some difference in the day when she takes so long to settle? Maybe some activity the os her, like swimming or playgroup or shorter nap, so in this case 6 h A time is too long? Or, on the opposite, some too less activity that days so she is not tired enough to switch off at bt?
Another thing: it should be more and less at 18 mo when we changed bt routine and put the bath before dinner instead of before bt. This was because we noticed that a late bath os F and he ended up crying for tiredness while he came out from the tube. Doing it before, with him hungry so more willing to come out, made the trick. Maybe worth a try too.
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All great advice, thanks Barbara for chippin' in.x.
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We actually stayed in the house all day yesterday so maybe she just wasn't tired out enough at bedtime? I hadn't actually thought of this until you mentioned it, It's very rare that we do stay in all day though. We're off into town and then the park when she's woken from her nap so maybe she'll be tired out at bedtime. x
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This could be a factor. We are having much better sleep in the summer time than during winter because (I think) F has lots of occasions for doing physical activities. Here the weather helps too, as we are out every day.
And I also remember someone (Vicki, was it you?) telling that physical activity before bt was important for good sleep. Which makes sense to me.
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And I also remember someone (Vicki, was it you?) telling that physical activity before bt was important for good sleep. Which makes sense to me.
Probably, amongst many others LOL. I think as LO's get older we have to switch our focus from them being calm long before BT to them being active enough to sleep. As long as the WD is sufficient it always works in your favour especially if the activity is in the fresh air.
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Hi, I've had to re-register with my OHs e-mail address as i changed my email address to my new one but for some reason I'm not getting the activation e-mail so i can't log in.
Last night she was asleep for 7.50pm a 6hr A but then woke at 8.30pm really upset and it took 5mins to calm her down, then 20mins later she woke and was upset again and was sticking her fingers in her mouth and crying - I've also noticed she's been putting alot of things in her mouth such as her whole dummy, teddys etc so she could be teething? She only has the 4 is it 2nd molars? to come through now. I gave nurofen at 9.15pm she then woke again at 9.45pm but then slept until 7.30am :D So quite a good night after what was bothering her settled.
I did her bath from 6.55-7.25pm then got her dressed/dried etc and in bed for 7.35pm. x
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Wow, a great night and a big improvement! It really seems she's teethning, so some nw are probably due to discomfort.
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I did nap today and she was asleep for 5hr A, but she woke after 1hr 20mins, probably due to the long stretch of sleep before waking for the day - think it was about 9.5hrs :D
So will do a shorter A of 5hr 20min before bed? and see when she settles. x
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I did nap today and she was asleep for 5hr A, but she woke after 1hr 20mins, probably due to the long stretch of sleep before waking for the day - think it was about 9.5hrs
Hi Hun,
Glad she had a good stretch :) but to be honest I don't think her nap length is anything to do with that. Lots of LO's sleep through 12 hours but don't wake early from their naps because of it YK ??? she would be more likely to need a longer A time before she will settle for her nap. Or are you thinking she is so used waking in the night that a long stretch could mean an UT nap ???
Hope you manage to get the 2nd A time right for a smooth BT..keeping everything X'd ;)
Vix.x.
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I'm not sure, as everytime she either sttn or sleeps a long stretch of maybe 7hrs before waking for the day she always then does a short nap or 1hr 20-30mins - maybe because she's not used to doing the long stretches of sleep? I could be wrong though. x
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She didn't eat much at tea time so i did her bath early and brought her back down and she ate some weetabix while watching In the night garden then i took her up to bed for 7.10pm and she was asleep for 7.20pm, a 5.5hr A. I didn't give her any nurofen at bedtime but will see if she wakes upset again. x
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maybe because she's not used to doing the long stretches of sleep? I could be wrong though. x
If it's a common occurence then you may well be right.
She didn't eat much at tea time so i did her bath early and brought her back down and she ate some weetabix while watching In the night garden then i took her up to bed for 7.10pm and she was asleep for 7.20pm, a 5.5hr A. I didn't give her any nurofen at bedtime but will see if she wakes upset again. x
Honey, this sounds like it could be relevant to me. Maybe her bath is better separated from BT (didn't Barbara say that ???) it may be too stimulating close to putting her down. Falling asleep in 10 mins is a fantastic result :) If you can I would try and stick with that. Hope it's a good night for her.
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I'll do her bath abit earlier and then bring her down and she can watch ITNG again and then go upto bed and see if she settles better again. I've always done bath, dressed, bottle then bed since she was a few weeks old and I've always thought bringing her downstairs would be too stimulating but i guess her bath could be waking her up instead of relaxing/setting her before bed.
She's currently been asleep for an hour, so I'm not sure what last nights upsets we're about, i thought maybe teething but wouldn't she be upset/in pain again tonight? I know when she's been teething in the past we've had a few nights in a row waking upset/in pain. Maybe nightmares? x
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Maybe it is nightmares, who knows Hun, I hope tonight is a turning point, I really do.
I definitely think changing her routine could be a good move. What works really does change in Toddlerdom so maybe you accidently hit on something tonight.
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Urghh, we had 4 NWs last night :( She wasn't upset either so i don't think it was teeth, not sure what it was.
She was asleep for 7.20pm, woke after 2hr 20mins, 2hr 40mins, 1hr 25mins, 2hr 45mins then 1.5hr before waking for the day at 6.20am.
Could she maybe of been UT? as she had a shorter A of 5.5hr due to the short 1hr 20min nap so that would of made her day 11hr 20mins, when it's normally closer to 13hrs. x
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Could she maybe of been UT? as she had a shorter A of 5.5hr due to the short 1hr 20min nap so that would of made her day 11hr 20mins, when it's normally closer to 13hrs. x
Aaaah yes, I think you could be right. Let's hope today is better and carry on regardless...same plan ???
Vicki.x.
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Im' thinking of doing:
Up - 6.20am
Nap - 11.30am - 1.30pm
Bed - 7.30pm
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I like the look of that Honey, good luck.x.
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I put her down for her nap at 11.20 and she was asleep for 11.35am and she's just woken after 1hr 25mins. Should i still go for the 6hr A time before bed and have her in bed for 6.50 - hopefully asleep for 7.00pm? x
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Yes I think that sounds good to me :) Especially if you stick with her bath earlier then Tv and cuddles with Mammy followed by a 6 hour A time...positive vibes this is the recipe for success ;)
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I did the same bedtime routine as last night, and took her upstairs to bed at 6.50pm.. I was sat outside her door about 5mins after I'd left her room i then heard this massive bang - she must of tried to climb out of her cot and fell :( so we had very upset screaming for about 10mins, I then sat in her room as i didn't want her to try and climb out again. 1.5hrs later she finally fell asleep!.
OH's taking the sides off her cot tomorrow and i think she's stopping at my mums again sat night, so we'll probably have a few long A to bed for a few days i think - not looking forward to this as we can't fit a baby gate onto LOs bedroom doorway as it's too small, so she'll probably be running out of bed into the hallway etc!.
So today has went:
Up - 6.20am
Nap - 11.35-1.00pm
Bed - 8.30pm
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Eeekkk, she woke after 1hr 50mins, 1hr 15mins, I then gave her some nurofen and she slept 3.5hr she then woke after 40mins, then 3.5hr then up for the day at 7.00pm.
Really hoping tonight is a better night. x
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Ugh my goodness Jem, it's all happening. Here's a couple of links for extra narrow baby gates, have you seen them
http://www.safetots.co.uk/Safety-Essentials/Stair-Gates/c1_2/p187/Bettacare-Auto-Close-Gate-White-Extra-Narrow/product_info.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002L3TSSY/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=103612307&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002DUVY8M&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=0FC3ATDRQ7GFVG5MFXZF
Also here's a youtube link for the safety coty canopies available
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=cot%20safety%20canopy&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CEkQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOP1_tnYujws&ei=9PQtULyXLYWk0QXkpoDYDA&usg=AFQjCNHlZWzkTaq1I-TwPf6zhKhWWeIOTQ
If you can keep her in the cot longer I really would Honey, once LO's are in a bed it is so so hard to control their sleep, even with a baby gate. I know some do, do well through, so sorry don't mean to scare monger, but once you do it there is no going back. I'm so pleased she didn't break anything, bless her, and it must have been a shock for you, so I totally understand that something has to be done, Sam climbed out a few times too.
These NW are so perplexing Hun, I wish we could figure it out. Obviously yesterday ended up being a really long day for her, so that could be the reason for last night. Do you think it may be helpful to run a thread on the NW forum and see what the girls say ??? actually what I will do is ask them to take a look and put your thread on the Mods forum.
Back later Honey.x.
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We went round to my mums this morning which is a 5min walk away and LO fell asleep in the buggy as i always leave 5mins before she's due her nap and she falls asleep in the buggy pretty much straight away and normally transfers in to her cot fine.
But she woke up straight away as soon as i put the blow up mattress on the floor as we are going to get a bed guard and baby gate on tuesday (Thanks for the links :) ). I then tried for 40mins to see if she'd settle again but she was having non of it! x
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I have one stubborn little girl. So after a 15min nap 11.50-12.05ish I had her in bed for 6.30pm and it took until 8.00pm for her to fall asleep. Another 1.5hr of me sitting there and her playing about before falling asleep - I really thought she'd of been asleep in 30mins but nope. I'm expecting another bad night of a few wake ups. x
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So sorry for these bad days and nights! I really hope it will go better. Now, you know she's ot, so I would try to let her catch up as much as possible... If she does eventually! I also am concerned about all these wakings in the night. Is it possible she didn't learn indep.sleeping when she wakes in the night then she needs you to go back to sleep ???
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We we're only having 2 nws until a few days ago, some nights she maybe only moans or does a little cry out and most of the time i don't have to go in to her but sometimes i do, it's kind of hit & miss. x
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So, are you counting the times when you don't have to go in as nw? To me, they could simply be dreams. Do you go in if she doesn't stop in few mins or do you go only when the cry escalates? Could it be that you respond too promptly and she could settle alone otherwise? When you go in is always for a "I need you cry"?
Sorry for all these questions, but it is not uncommon that at that age kids speak or cry in the sleep. F often does. Not to mention night terrors, which cannot be seen as nw becauase the kid is actually asleep (or in a non conscious state). That said, F often wakes in the night (I can hear him) and goes back to sleep independently, and sometimes also drinks water which is near his cot, when he needs it, without needing me. Just to say that it is pretty normal that kids of this age wake in the night, the difference is if they need something to go back to sleep. Your dd seems to be able to do this, but not every time. I don't know why though...
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Vicki asked me to pop in and look to see if I had any ideas, nothing is jumping out right now, but I'm going to read along and see if I can think of anything that all these other lovely ladies haven't said.
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If I could solve these issues, I'd have a kid that STTN :P
A couple of points that have made things better for us:
DS just does wake from some dreams pretty unhappy and usually requires DH to get him back to sleep - often I won't do, so I think it has something to do with SA... Here, it often escalates if DH has been away overnight for work or something - anything like that happening? Keeping DH here and involved in BT routine has helped.
We were having settling issues at BT until we did dinner as a family so DS knew we weren't doing anything without him after he went to bed...
DS tends to settle better at BT if he's been physically active in the afternoon and if he's had social interaction with other kids (be careful of OS though ;) )
I second Vicki's point about keeping her in a cot :) We moved DS into a BBB at 15 months and he's sleeping as well there as I think he would in a cot ATM with canines cutting, but its easier to settle in a cot ;)
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DS tends to settle better at BT if he's been physically active in the afternoon and if he's had social interaction with other kids (be careful of OS though )
Definitely this ^^^^^^^^
I was thinking that earlier and forgot to write it.
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Last night wasn't actually too bad, after she finally fell asleep at 8.00pm she slept 3hr 40mins, then woke 30mins, then another 30mins and asked for milk. She then slept 5hr 45mins but woke for the day at 6.40am when OH got up and opened the baby gate at the top of the stairs (we've actually been keeping this open until last night as she was in her cot so couldn't get out).
We've decided not to put the cot sides back up (before she climbed and fell out, i was hoping to keep them up as long as possible but I'd rather we have a few crappy nights with settling etc than her try and climb out again and hurt herself as she's quite tall for her age too).
After yesterdays 15min nap and long a before bed and now a short night I'm hoping she'll do a good 2hr nap today. I'm thinking of maybe putting her down at bed time after a 5hr A in the hope she'll fall asleep for 6.5hr A which is better than a 7.5hr if she's going to take another 1.5hr to settle so she can play about and hopefully wind down without making the day too long.
I guess the wake ups where she just moans/does a little cry out could be down to nightmares or just getting comfy? It's just the ones where she does cry and needs me to go in and lay her down (she's normally sitting up rubbing her eyes and crying) but they could be down to nightmares too? x
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It's just the ones where she does cry and needs me to go in and lay her down (she's normally sitting up rubbing her eyes and crying) but they could be down to nightmares too? x
This is precisely the behaviour we have here too. Its puzzling, because sometimes I can feed him and he'll go back to sleep (APOP with teeth that's hung around :( ) and other times he will refuse to feed and will scream til DH comes and gives him a cuddle. I do wonder if some of these are just the scarier dreams :-\ He's pretty verbal, but not verbal enough to tell me that.
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Morning Jemma,
Good Luck for today. I'm thinking of maybe putting her down at bed time after a 5hr A in the hope she'll fall asleep for 6.5hr A which is better than a 7.5hr if she's going to take another 1.5hr to settle so she can play about and hopefully wind down without making the day too long.
I understan your thinking with this Hun ^ but in essence what you will probably be doing is putting her down UT which can lead to a longer time before sleep, so in this house I have never allowed any more than 15 mins to settle, otherwise how can you ever figure out what the right A time is you know :-\.
I really hope she takes a 2 hour nap and feels better.
x.
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I guess you could be right about the A time. I'll put her down for 5hr 40mins and hope she doesn't take ages to settle. She was asking to go upstairs with her blanket at 11.00am and she settled within 10mins - hoping for a 2hr nap. x
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Sounds promising :)
x.
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She's had 1hr 50min so far - waking in 10mins. I think she'll be fine in her bed without the side it's just getting her to sleep that's going to be the problem. My mum's ordered us a slim baby gate so hopefully will be getting that picked up on monday. Hoping she'll settle easier without me there to "talk" to and "try" to play games with, little monkey lol. Then we can work on her routine again. x
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Could be nightmares, could be mild discomfort from teeth or something like that. Random thought from someone who hasn't read the whole thread but if this is something that's always been ongoing, have you ruled out food intolerances?
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She's had 1hr 50min so far - waking in 10mins.
Great. Good luck with BT.
Random thought from someone who hasn't read the whole thread but if this is something that's always been ongoing, have you ruled out food intolerances?
Worth a thought.x.
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I'd actually thought about food intolerances a good few month ago but i don't think it's that.. The longest stretch of sleep she'd do from pretty much birth - 6 months was 3hrs, but she'd mostly wake every 2-3 sometimes 1hr which was a nightmare lol. But until i joined this site when she was 6 months her naps before that had been all over the place and she was only having 2x 45min naps as i didn't know about awake times etc. It was only when joined here i then managed to get her into a routine but she didn't really sleep through or start sleeping more than 5-6hrs until after she moved to 1 nap about 12-13 months.
I think it's all down to her sleep/naps but i just can't get it right - I do think her teeth played a big part of the wake ups until she was past 12 months too. The annoying thing is i know she can sleep through but it's only really the odd night. x
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Ah Jemma, you know at the end of the day as adults, let alone babies, some of us are just not great sleepers and you should try and just congratulate yourself in all the effort you have put in to do the very best for her. Those of us who have good sleepers have many times when it all goes T**T* up! so no child is without their problems.
Having said all that it would be unlike any true BW to give up before she's STTN so let's crack on and see what happens ;)
x.
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I honestly don't actually mind her waking up aslong as she does a decent stretch of sleep before waking for the day, I'm not trying/expecting her to sleep a full 11-12hrs without making a sound every night lol.
Tonight was abit of a disaster too, she was in bed for 7.00pm and OH was on bedtime duty - he did 45mins in her room then needed a smoke lol! We then decided to put the side of her cot that we'd taken off across the doorway like a baby gate while we stood out of sight on the landing at 8.00pm, and she played with her toys quite happy until 8.40pm then settled into bed and finally fell asleep at 9.00pm! Eekk.
But i'm hoping now we don't need to be in the room that she'll have a little play with toys then settle quicker tomorrow night. x
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I wonder if I might be onto something - will have to wait til we've been through tonight to know for sure though...
I'm operating now on the assumption that there's a small amount of chronic OT lingering. I got DS up when he stirred during his nap yesterday and PD for bed earlier than we have for a while and he had a 12hr night instead of the 9.5-10hr nights we've been getting recently (still with a few wakings, but I suspect tonight might be better if we can get the nap right today).
His day yesterday looked like this:
6 - wake
11 - nap (fell asleep in the car)
12:45 - up (unhappy for a little while, then fine)
7 - asleep with no BT antics :)
woke at 7 this morning
The last few days have had 2.5-3hr naps and I've let him sleep because he was OT but he would then have a short night and need another long nap...
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It also seems like I've heard from other ladies on here that the switch out of the cot means you'll have some delayed BTs while she gets used to it -- so I would say Bec's probably right about the OT thought.
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I agree she's probably got OT in the last few days since the cot side came off.. Last night she slept fine 9.00pm - 1.50am a few little moans but i didn't class them as waking - she then rolled/fell out of bed onto the blow up mattress at 1.50am and woke up crying, she was then awake playing & faffing around again until 4.15am! and then up for the day at 7.15am.
We're getting the baby gate tomorrow and bed guard on tuesday so hopefully tuesday night she won't be- able to roll out and it wake her up. x
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OMG that was long NW, bless her. I guess you just get through and hope for the best until Tues Hun. When Sam rolls to the wrong end of his Toddler bed I roll up blankets and put them on the outside of the ebd and it's enough to stop him rolling out, like bolsters you know. I think if they feel there's something there they will stop or roll the other way, so you could try that today.x.
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I'm actually surprised that she only rolled out the once as i thought she'd of rolled out a few times as she's such a fidget bum. We have a spare double duvet that i laid on the mattress but I'll see if i can roll it up and keep it in place somehow tonight. x
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I only use Sam's baby blankets, if you still have some of those, that will be enough.x.
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I put her into her room at 11.00am (she wasn't due her nap until 12.00pm). And she played with her toys then it went quiet about 11.25am, i went up to check and she was asleep on the blow up mattress with her blanket lol. I'm going to do the same at bedtime and see if she settles abit quicker than the 2hrs it took last night lol.
- She woke from her nap after 1hr :( I can see us getting into a big OT mess. x
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Dont worry hun, transitions are always tough. It took ds1 2wks to adjust to his bed and he was a v gd sleeper. I dont fancy the move yet 4ds2. So far he has only climbd out at naptime so is staying in the cot! xx
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I put her into her room at 11.00am (she wasn't due her nap until 12.00pm). And she played with her toys then it went quiet about 11.25am, i went up to check and she was asleep on the blow up mattress with her blanket lol. I'm going to do the same at bedtime and see if she settles abit quicker than the 2hrs it took last night lol.
This ^is a major co-incidence because this is exactly what Sam did yesterday and the day before. I was suggesting it the other Mammy's with LO's Sam's age as a way of allowing them to sleep when they're ready but I never thought to mention it to you because DD is so much younger and of course she wouldn't have been able to do it whilst in a cot. Sam napped earlier than I would have put him down too.
It's worth a try tonight definitely, I considered it myself. Hey, here's hoping her not being in a cot could be the start of something positive ;)
x.
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Yey, it only took 40mins tonight for her to fall asleep - she fell asleep on the air bed again too lol. I kind of made a fort with pillows & rolled the double duvet up and put it against her bed so hopefully she won't roll out tonight and I'm hoping we don't have another 2hr nw lol.
I didn't do her bath tonight either as she didn't come home from my mums until 6.10pm and they didn't leave until 20 past - so i just got her dressed and put her to bed at 6.30ish as she was knackred anyways. She was asleep for 7.10pm. x
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That's great Hun, so pleased. Here's hoping she STTN.x.
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Last night was alot better, she slept 3.5hr, 3hr 20min, 3.5hr then 1hr 40min. She actually got out of bed about 2am but i went in and laid her back down and she went to sleep fine, then at 5.40am she woke up and was sat up in bed, i told her it was still night night and she chatted for 10mins then went quiet then woke for the day at 7.30am. - I was really hoping she wasn't up for the day at 5.40am lol.
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Well despite the NW that was a nice WU time :D
Vicki.x.
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Hi Jem! How are things going? Sorry I haven't been around, we were away for a couple of weeks. Looks like you're in great hands of couse :)
Taking a while to settle at bedtime is a new thing for your DD, is that since trying the longer nap?
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Hi kay dee :)
We've just started having bed time problems since taking her cot sides down 3 days ago but last night it only took 40mins for LO to fall asleep, so hoping tonight she'll settle ok.
Before we took the sides off, she was doing 5hr before nap, 2hr nap and then 6hr A before bed but we we're still getting 1-2 Nws. x
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So she had just over 12hr night with a few wake ups, i put her into her room at 12.00pm hoping she'd play and fall asleep for 12.30pm making it a 5hr A, but she didn't go to sleep until 1.00pm and is now awake after just 1hr. x
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You think she might need a longer A before her nap after a good night?
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I'm not sure if she woke after 1hr because she was UT or OT, she was a little upset before going to sleep but I'm not sure. Her sleep/naps have been wonky for the past 3 days since we took her cot sides off, as she's taking ages to settle due to being able to get in/out of bed but I'm hoping once the novelty wares off she'll go back to settling like she was.
She did a 1hr nap yesterday but I thought that was maybe down to being UT as she settled at 4.5hr A before nap and was tired at bedtime and it only took 40mins for her to play about and settle. She seems tired again so I'm hoping she won't take long to settle tonight. x
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Hi Hun,
Well let's just hope she was more well rested after a good night. Here's to a fast settling at BT. She's doing really well when you consider the huge change of cot to bed. Are you going to bring BT earlier ??? or see how she is ???
x.
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She's just had her bath & is watching ITNG, going to take her up to bed for 7.00pm which would make it a 5hr A then hopefully she won't take long to settle. x
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She was in & out of bed but finally stayed in bed at 7.45pm and was asleep within 5mins lol. So tonight took 50mins. Today has went:
Up - 7.30am
Nap - 12.55pm - 2.00pm
Bed - 7.50pm
We've had our 1st wake up after an hour :( - I didn't really need to go in but i went in anyways to see if she was okay (It wasn't a really upset cry i need you cry) and she was moaning/crying but she had her eyes closed :S x
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A good day Honey. officialy it isn't a WU unless you have to intervene, so start counting only those ones and I reckon you'll feel much better ;D
x.
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Ahh, we didn't have any last night then lol :D She did cry out at 8.50pm, 12.30am, moaned at 5.20am and up for the day at 7.00am.
I thought when she was crying out it was still classed as a WU even if i didn't need to go in? x
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Jemma, that is a fabulous night, I can't tell you how pleased I am ;D I hope you got some good sleep too ??? I think maybe she is starting to catch up and feel better..do you think so too ???
Vicki.x.
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She always wakes me when she cry's out but i guess you don't need to wake up properly when you don't need to get out of bed lol.
I'm hoping for a longer nap than 1hr today though. x
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Yeah, you actually get used to waking up and often even after LO is sleeping through you still wake regularly until your body realises you don't have to. Do you have her on a baby monitor ??? I was addicted to mine and only just gave it up around a month ago LOL ::)
Yes let's hope for a longer than 1 hour nap today. I hope she settles for it okay after a good night. Are you going for 5 hours A time again ???
x.
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We now have a stair gate on her room and bed guard :D
I put her down at 12 making it a 5hr A but she's still faffing about 30mins later. The only thing I'm worried about is her taking ages to settle for her nap, sleeping 2hrs and then taking another hour to settle at bedtime making it a long day, won't this make her OT?
I guess there's nothing really that i can do apart from put her into bed, tell her it's night night, leave the room (same as i was doing when she was in her cot). and leaving her to settle - hoping she'll start settling sooner? x
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Jemma - was she faffing around at 5hrs A before you took the cot sides off ??? If its only started since, then I would hazard a guess its entirely related to the change in sleep environment & if you ride it out for a couple of weeks until she gets used to it she should start to settle better again. If, after a couple of weeks, she is still taking a while to go down, then it may be she's not tired enough to settle for her nap after 5hrs, & perhaps she needs a slightly longer morning. I found with my DS that when he got to around 19 months he needed a 6hr A in the morning, followed by a 2hr nap & 5hrs A to BT & he would sleep 11hrs at night. At 2yrs old we now do 6-6.5hr AM A time / 2-2.5hr nap / 5hr A to BT & get a consistent 10.5hr night with no NW's.
HTH.x
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Before i tried the 2hr nap and was doing 1.5hr nap, she was doing 6hr A, 1.5hr nap and then 5.5hr A before bed. But then about 2-3 weeks before we took the cot sides off she was doing 5hr A before nap, 2hr nap then 6hr before bed. I think it's just because of the change in the sides coming off. x
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Honey, I think today it was probably down to the fact that she had such a good night and is better rested. So you may find if her nights continue to get better that her morning A time may need to lengthen and you could go 5.5 and 5.5 again.x.
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Yeah i could try 2x 5.5 :)
Today she was still playing about at 1.00pm an hour after I'd put her down. I had a midwife appointment for just after 2pm, she fell asleep in the buggy and woke after 30mins (she doesn't nap long in the buggy). So i put her down for bed at 6.30pm - hoping she's asleep soon.
So on days where i don't need to be out the house and she's still faffing after an hour, do i give up on the nap or leave her until she does sleep, even if it means a longer day? I know it's just the change of routine with now having free run of her room as she used to go down great for naps in her cot. x
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think u will just have to experiment and see what works. If my ds2 naps late i cut it. If he naps at 2pm i'd wake at 3. If he naps at after 3 i'd cut to 45min, and after 4 i'd cut to 30min. My ds usually goes to bed at 8pm thou and a long late nap has him up too late for me. Xx
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I guess I'll just have to give her more time to adjust. Bedtime took another 45mins for her to fall asleep, once she's in bed and stays in bed she's asleep within 5mins.
I wouldn't mind if she slept 10.5hr night and had no wake ups/little cry outs as we'd both be getting a decent amount of sleep. I guess it has only been 4 days since she's had the cot sides off and today has been the first day that she hasn't had the blow up mattress and pillows on her floor lol. And apart from todays nap refusal she isn't doing too bad at bedtime. x
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Just give it some time hun. It does sound like its all related to the BGB transition.x
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Wow, little monkey slept all night, 7.15pm - 6.45am and the only sound i heard was her coughing at 3.00am. I've really no idea why she randomly does sleep though lol but it always seems to be either after a short nap or a short night before as the last time she slept through without making a sound was 2 sundays ago after she'd slept at my mums the night before and had a 9hr night :S
Yesterday went:
Up - 7.00am
Nap - 1.50pm-2.15pm (roughly about 20mins).
Bed - 7.15-20pm
I put her down for 12.00pm making it 5hr 15mins A and she settled within 15mins :D so a 5.5hr A before nap. Hoping for a 2hr nap and then put her down after 5hr 15min? at bedtime and hope she doesn't take long to settle. x
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probably cause she was shattered hun. My DS does same if he has a short nap one day, but several days in a row then he starts to get OT & we get NW's - I guess b/c they can cope with the odd day but long term they still need that break to get them through, yk?
Thats great anyway, & good that she settled well at naptime too. Maybe today is the turning point. Think your plan for this avo sounds good, hopefully she will settle for bed around 5.5hrs A.
x
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She settled within 15mins at naptime, slept 1hr 45, then only took 25mins to settle at bedtime and she just chatted in her bed - I'm really pleased with how well shes done today. today went:
up 6.45am
nap 12.15-2.05pm
bed 7.45pm.
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Hiya Jemma,
I have been off line for a day due to stupid 'Virgin media' long story.
Anyway hurrah for today, that is so great. I caught up on what has been said and I agree with all PP. Let's hope tonight is a STTN...woohoo! okay musn't get too carried away now ;)
x.
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Last night was another good night with just 1 WU at 2.20am with no little cry outs apart from coughing at 5.30am (which I'm hoping doesn't come to anything as she doesn't seem ill, just has started with random coughing during naps/the night which so far isn't waking her up). Going to do the same A times as yesterday and hope for another good nap and night. x
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just has started with random coughing during naps/the night
Sounds like it could be teething after all Hun, maybe the NW were down to this. When LO's teeth they produce more saliva which gathers at the back of the throat and makes them cough when they're lying down especially...can you feel any lumps or bumps ???
I'm so pleased she had another good night.x.
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She's only got the very back 4 teeth to get, are they 2nd molars? I'll keep trying to have a feel but i don't think I'll know until they pop through with them ones. x
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Yes, they're 2nd year molars Hun. Sam is cutting 2 together at the moment then has 1 to go. I can't wait until they're all through! Mind you what will I blame things on if I haven't go teething LOLx..
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I think we've got nap and bed time sorted now :D She settled within 10mins at nap time and 15mins at bedtime. I put her into bed at 7.25pm as last night took 25mins for her to fall asleep but she was asleep by 7.35pm. Today has been:
6.50am
12.35pm - 2.15pm (she woke herself after 1hr 45mins).
7.35pm
Hoping for another good night :D
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That's so great Jemma ;D is she a happy bunny ??? I bet Mammy is ;)
x.
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I'm not actually sure why she's suddenly started sleeping so well but it must be something to do with her going into her big bed? As nothing else has changed really apart from she maybe feels safer? not sure lol.
Last night we had 1 wake up :D she slept from 7.35pm - 3.00am then 3.15 - 7.20am.
But when she woke at 3.00am she didn't cry, she just stood at the baby gate and shouted on me lol. Asked for a drink then went back to sleep with no fuss :D x
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It happens Jemma, some LO's feel like they're 'in jail' in a cot as they get older LOL and react well to the extra freedom. Funny how the accidental things can help so much eh. I do think she managed to start catching up on sleep a while back and now she is feeling better, 'sleep begets sleep' every time.x.
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Hi Jemma, I am very happy that things work out! :D I hope that BBB transition will go so smooth for us also! :)
BTW, for the water I use to put a sippy bottle near DS's crib, so he can reach it when he's thirsty. I think it now happens at least once or twice in the night that he wakes for a drink, as here is quite hot. But he doesn't wake us up for drinking and he's independent, which is very nice for us and for him :)
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Sam has a sippy cup tucked into the corner of his bed too.x.
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Yay great news Jemma!!!! Am I the only one NOT putting a sippy in DS's cot?! Ooh I feel mean! Always been too worried it would end up spilt all over the bedsheets.
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It happened to us the second night we did it because I put a normal (plastic) glass... but with the sippy, we've never had a problem. Here it is pretty hot and he's waking also twice or more per night to drink. Waking up, and get up to take the water and give it to him would be too tiring for me! (I often ask myself how I could deal with another baby... ::) )
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She actually asks for milk which she likes to drink heated up lol. I don't mind though as it's not every night. I left her bottle in her cot with her a few months ago after OHs sister mentioned that she does with her 2 year old but her sheets we're soaked come the morning.
I'm not sure if it's because she's sleeping better & sleep helps sleep (I guess i've never actually believed this because she's never slept well lol). But she seemed quite tired yesterday and fell asleep after 5hr 40mins at bedtime and this morning was asking to go to bed before her dinner and i ended up putting her down at 12.20pm instead of 1.00pm (she was asleep for 12.30pm and slept 1.5hr). as she was moaning to go up. And she was asleep after 5.5hr A tonight. x
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Hiya Jemma,
Believe me she is on a roll, all the signs are there :D Whenever Sam has been over tired and he starts to CU he seems sleepier than ever and A times shorten and sleep lengthens. I am so so happy for her and you that she is doing better, especially with the whole BGB transition just a few days ago. She's a little star!
x.
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Whenever Sam has been over tired and he starts to CU he seems sleepier than ever and A times shorten and sleep lengthens.
^^^this^^^
its very definitely true - sleep begets sleep. We're having a sleepy phase here too atm - DS is doing around 2-2.5hr nap & ~11hrs at night which we haven't had for months! I swear its because I've let him nap for longer lately. Enjoy!xx
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We have actually just come out from a sleepy phase :( it's a pity, because it was very nice... But we are having a lot of cognitive growth, so I guess it is what it has to be. So tricky, isn't it?
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Sophie STTN again :D 7.30pm-7.10am. The only time i heard a noise apart from coughing was little moaning at around 5.30am. She's doing brilliant :D
Thank you to everyone who's gave me help & advice and support along the way :D x
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Aw, that's brilliant! Well done Sophie & Jem x
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So happy for this!
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Fanbloomintastic Sophie! Better late than never little lady ;)
Congratulation to you Jemma for your patience and being a super Mammy :-*
x.
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Sophie's still sleeping great, last night she stopped at my mums and i was a little worried that she might mess about at bedtime with my mum being in the room with her but she settled within 15mins and slept 8.15pm - 6.00am (A bit of a short night but still not bad). The night before last we only had 1 wake up for a drink about 3.00am, i did hear 2 little cry/shout outs between 2.30-3.00am but she had no blankets on when i went in at 3.00am so she was maybe cold too.
I'm really pleased with her sleeping and i really don't mind the 1 wake up lol. :D x
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Fantastic, enjoy! x.
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Hmmm, so after either sleeping through and doing a full 11-12hr stretch or waking just the once at around 2.30-3.00am for the past 7 nights we had 4 wake ups last night. I'm thinking she was maybe UT? as she sttn the night before (mon night) a full 11hr 45mins and woke from her nap after 1.5hr and was then asleep for 5.5hr before bed.
She woke up crying and i had to go in and re-settle her each time, she didn't ask for milk or seemed hot and I'm not 100% if she's teething as she doesn't have any teething signs so i don't think it's that.
She was asleep for 7.35pm woke after 40mins, 3hr 40, 2hr 30, 40mins and then 4hr 20mins. was up for the day at 7.25am.
She's still doing 5.5hr before nap, 1.5-2hr (mostly 2hr) nap and then bed after 5.5hr.
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I'm not expecting her to sttn every night as i know even us as adults have the odd bad night, but just wondering if she's maybe going to get the odd UT night and it to cause a few wake ups? x
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So after having a good full week of 2 nights sttn and 3 with only 1 wake up, we had 2 wake ups lastnight and the night before. She's still on the same routine 5.5hr, 2hr nap and then 5.5hr - well i say 5.5hr before bed, tonight it was a 6hr 20min A. x
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Hiya Jemma,
Honestly Hun, I think you do get good and bad nights even with a routine that suits. There is teething and developmental issues etc that cause NW too obviously.
What does your gut tell you ??? Does she still seem happy enough ???
x.
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She actually slept 9.00pm - 5.40am where she wanted up for the day but i managed to get her to go back to sleep after a drink and then she was up for the day at 7.20am. So it wasn't a bad night, just a short one but she does seem tired this morning.
I'm thinking of maybe seeing if she'll go down for her nap after 5hr A? and then if she does do a 6hr + A before bed her day isn't too long? x
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I'm thinking of maybe seeing if she'll go down for her nap after 5hr A? and then if she does do a 6hr + A before bed her day isn't too long? x
This is what I would have tried today Hun. Depends whether she reacts okay okay to a shorter morning WRT it not causing EW, this was never an issue for us.
x.
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She was asleep for 12pm after a 4hr 40min A and she slept 2hrs :D and fell asleep after a 6hr 10min A. Hoping for another good night. x
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Super :D
x.
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Urghhh... She woke at 12.15am, 1.20am and decided she was up for the day at 5.30am.. we also had loads of cry outs during the night too. She woke at 5.15am really upset and was crying again 10mins later so i brought her into our bed in the hope she'd settle an go to sleep, she laid there quiet for 10mins then decided she'd start jumping around. I gave up and brought us downstairs at 6.00am lol.
Maybe the early nap wasn't such a good idea? Will try and have her alseep for 5hr A for nap and then in bed for 5hr A tonight in the hope she'll be asleep for 5.5hr? x
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Oh Dear, I like the sound of your plan Hun. Finger's X'd.x.
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Last night was a good night with just 1 wake up. I thought she might of woken a few times as she had a long A before bed. I put her down for her nap at 10.00am and she was asleep within 5mins, let her sleep 2hr 20mins as i knew she was going to my mums and wouldn't be back until 6.00pm (plus i didn't want to put her down before 6.30pm). She was alseep for 7.10pm, woke at 10.00pm for some milk and then slept until just after 7 i think as i heard her chatting at 7.15am. x
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That's great Jemma, so much better than things were.
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