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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: anna* on April 12, 2013, 11:18:15 am
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She's 18 months old, and I need a solid night's sleep. She does - rarely - sleep through without waking, and when that happens I feel soooo much better the next day. Also, we're in a patch of EWs anyway, so what the heck. From tonight, there are no more night feeds.
Hear that, Miss Audrey?
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Good luck Anna. You can do it xx
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good luck anna! Xx
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good luck x
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Good luck to you! DS and I did this at 16 months, and I think he knew I meant it and was going to hold my ground and it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought! Maybe it will be the same for you and Audrey.
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Hey Anna, here holding your hand :).
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Good luck - here to hold your hand. It is absolutely worth it.
I remember when I got to this point with M, I told my friends that I wasn't going to feed her in the night and she never even woke up in the night after that! Here's hoping Audrey has got the message the way M did.
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Good luck anna! We ditched the night feeds at about 14 months (i think.. for the second time) once they started getting uut of hand and have JUST ditched the waking up and coming into mummy's bed.. you can do it!
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good luck!
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Good luck!
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Hm well the first night didn't go so well. Not sure how I'm going to manage this with Stan. Thing is, he can sleep through A LOT, but, if he fully wakes, he can be awake for hours in the middle of the night.
I did pre-warn Stan that I am stopping Audrey's milk, and there might be some crying.
Last night Stan did a wee in his bed at 3am (v. unusual) and I think it was him running to tell me, that woke A. She was crying while I changed his bed and got him comfortable. Signing 'milk', sobbing 'up!'. I told her to lie down and go to sleep. She tried for about an hour, but after an hour she started getting MORE upset and then Stan started to get upset (he'd been awake for an hour too) saying "Mum you are making Audrey so sad! Please just give her her milk!". Plus I was second guessing because she only had veggie soup (albeit with cheese and bread, and yog and banana for after) for tea. She WAS hungry because she ate three bowls of breakfast!
So there we are. Night 1 = fail.
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Good on you, Anna. Hope tonight goes better! x x
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Did you feed her Anna?
(((((hugs))))))
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Oops, forgot to say. Yeh I did in the end. Between her and Stan crying, and me thinking she must be hungry (I was hungry), I just fed her.
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Its so hard when you are tired and you have the tag team action going on the middle of the night. (((((hugs))))
Is there any chance DH can pitch in?
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They're in the same room and tbh two adults and two kids in the same room is a bit crowded and chaotic. Not worth the grumps of getting him to do it all.
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Any chance you could move Stan out whilst you do it? A camp bed in your room maybe? That's how I would have do it, I couldn't do it with them both in there!
She may well have been hungry but I know you know at this age you need to power on through regardless. Especially if you have tried to resettle for a time. I know you know this but sometimes we just need to hear it from someone else.
I have BTDT with the double wakings. It was hell on earth and you can get into panic mode. (((((hugs)))))
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Sounds tough Anna, i would've caved in under those circumstances! I'd be giving her favourite foods for dinner the next few nights and then that nagging "is she hungry" doubt won't be there!
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Yeh gonna make a hearty tea tonight and try giving her some porridge for pudding. Think Stan is going to sleep at my mums tonight too. It was hard. When ST stan he used to cry for ages and then just conk and go to sleep. Aud was really trying so hard to go to sleep just these pathetic little whimpers and sobs. :'(
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Yep, horrible. Its like feeding is her love language and so it makes it doubly more emotional :-\
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Absolutely. It was very functional with Stan but Audrey really uses boob to feel connected to me ie I pick her up from the childminder, she has just had a big snack and a cup of milk, but she wants to BF as soon as we get home. She sounded so *sad* (not angry or offended).
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(((Hugs))) Anna, an extra hand to hold xx
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Hugs, hope you have a better night tonight Anna xx
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Hugs Anna. Short term pain for long term gain remember.
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Ooooh I know I know. Stan's at granny's tonight and Audrey ate a pretty good tea so I will try to be stronger and have my own advice ringing in my ears ;) :P
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Well, I didn't feed her, but she didn't go back to sleep either :(
Woke up at 5, I really thought she was going to go back to sleep bit she didn't, just hanging on for 6.30 when I'll get her up. Gonna be a long day, I don't think she's ever been up this early. *yawn*
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((((((((hugs))))))) Anna but YAY for not feeding her!! You did awesome! :)
Fingers crossed for tonight that its easier than last. :-*
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Anna it is only temporary I'm sure. When we weaned the EW NF Colby was awake from his usual feed time of 5-5.30 for the first 3 days and didn't go back to sleep despite me resettling until 7am. The forth and fifth days though he did go back to sleep after protests. After that he started sttn until 6.30/45am without even waking for the BF. So do not despair. Audrey may well be the same. :)
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Well done Anna!! You did great :D Remember you're doing this for you both to get an undisturbed night's sleep, you can do it xx
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Well done Anna, it's harder than hard & you've done it once now - holding your hand tonight xxx
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I should have updated. She DID go back to sleep!! I snuck out at 6.20 with her grumbling, whining, crying, to warm up in my bed for 10 mins. At 6.40 I remember thinking I will just wait til it sounds a bit more urgent. Next thing, its 8.20 and i can hear her happily saying 'mama? Dada?' So grateful she gave us that 1.5hrs sleep...
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Yay! I bet she does even better tomorrow morning :)
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Woop woop go Audrey! Now you can be extra-confident she can do it :)
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Yay! So pleased to hear that. Xxx
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Wow! Yay Audrey! And yay for more sleep!
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Well done! FXd goes well tonight too.
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Thanks. I hope so too. It was great that Stan was away last night, if he had been home there would have been no way we would all get to go back to sleep at 6.30am. FX that tonight she a) wakes earlier and b) settles a bit quicker.
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Or c) STTN ;)
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;D yes c) is always a great option!! ;) :-*
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Hoping that she sttn for you!
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She did. 6.30am a little early for perfection... but I have a feeling it may be our new normal
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Woop!
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Yay! Wtg, Audrey! 6.30 after a full night's sleep is a very different proposition than 6.30 when you have been up a couple of times as well.
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;D ;D ;D
Looks like Aud may have nailed it!!
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Aw I'm not counting my chickens. She does sttn on occasion, fully expecting her to be up tonight.
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yay for sttn :)
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Good one Audrey.
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Sooo tired. Been up for an hour and ten now. She's given up asking for shoes, books, yoghurt, juice, daddy and just asking for milk. She's trying hard to go back to sleep. Of course she didn't eat a crumb of tea so I'm sure she is hungry.
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you hang in there. almost there
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I hope you've managed to get back to sleep sweetie, hold tight you're doing so well!
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((((((hugs))))))) Anna. Did she go back down? :-*
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Yeh she did. 3-4.30am NW. V. tired mama today.
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Sheesh. That sucks. Upside is she did go back down so you did good. :-*
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Yeh, it's ok, I think she's doing good. 1-2 more nights and I think we'll be done. (Famous last words?)
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You did great Anna :D
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well done anna xxx
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Well done - hang in there!
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fantastic Anna - sending lots of energy vibes to get through today :)
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Well done. It is really hard to stay strong when they are awake for so long, but it is worth it in the end.
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3am time is really hard, cuz you don't get a solid chunk of sleep in there, it's more like a couple of naps instead. I was working yesterday eve so didn't get to bed til 11, asleep at 12, then up for the day at 6.45. Blah. Coffee and paracetemol. Less than 5hrs til bedtime.
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I agree, 3am was always a killer for us.
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Night 4, slept well til 5am (10hrs from bedtime) but didn't go back to sleep.
Come on Audrey...
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Steps in the right direction, at least.
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Hope goes well tonight x
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what are you doing about her naps/bt when she's up so early Anna? i'm trying to work out what to do with E!
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^^^ Actually I haven't had to adjust anything until today - she's had longish NWs (I know 1.5hrs isn't long for some!), but except for today she's always gone back to sleep.
And today, nothing got adjusted for her. I told the childminder she had woken super early but she didn't get an early nap for some reason and only slept 1.5hrs. Then I was out at a meeting all afternoon and got home late so she didn't get to bed until after 7! Luckily, she usually handles OT well. 80% angel baby.
I am tired tired tired!
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Sleepy vibes for little a tonight.
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Ugh! Hate 5am starts. Get an early night Anna.
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How'd last night go? Thinking of you both x
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Good night last night - slept through. Heard her chatting at 5am, Stan told her to lie down and go to sleep, and then all silent until 7. FX that's the end of it.
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Go Stan!!!
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Wow - that's great :D
what stars they both are!
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Wow, fantastic news! Good on Stan and Audrey :)
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Isn't Stan ace? Honestly, he was a little more stern with her than I would have liked ;) but whatever, it worked!
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I don't blame him - I have been pretty stern on occasion at 5am!
Glad you got a good night.
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Wow that's fab!
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Fab!
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All going well... but.... She's rarely sleeping much past 6am. 11-11.5hrs overnight. Which is fair enough, except she used to always sleep at least 12 and often more. Of course Stan is being woken up too. Not sure there is much I can do about it but tbh I'm tempted to go back to feeding in the night.
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You have to do what's right for you all Anna - if you're happy to feed at night then do, it's fine :) But if you want to stick with not feeding at night perhaps she needs her routine looking at a bit?
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I think her routine is fine... Awake some time 5.45-6.15, nap somewhere between 12-12.30 for usually about 2hrs, bed 6.30-7 depending on WU, nap. Bit vague I know...
I don't WANT to go back to feeding in the night but not happy with Stan suddenly losing an hour of sleep in the morning.
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Hun do you think it's worth giving W2S a shot to see if she can sleep longer and it's just become a habit? :-\
1 hr prior to usual EW (I know it's not tech an EW...but at is age it worked for Z when he got off track which I never thought It would!)
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I'm not sure what time to do it? 5am? Sometimes she just wakes at 5...
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If she usually wakes between 5-5.45 then I would try at 4 ish..and see how she goes :-\
It's just a PITA getting up and risking
A) she wakes and won't go back to sleep
B) it doesn't work and you've been up and down since 4 ::)
But if it works..... :D
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Often she wakes at 5 and resettles, but our mornings are usually starting at 5.45-6.15 which tbh is an ok amount of night sleep, but about an hour earlier than Stan is used to.
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can you move A's BT later (i.e. shift her whole routine) or does that mess up Stan's BT or other parts of your day?
Does Stan have a gro-clock? Could you teach A to follow it too? She is about old enough isn't she?
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If Aud goes done later, Stan gets zero one on one time the entire day. Not sure how to logistically manage them both going down at the exact same time.
Did W2S at 4.15am which seemed like a good time as she was very deeply asleep but then Stan woke her at 5.45am by going to the toilet so no idea if that would have worked.
We set up the Groclock two nights ago - dont think she gets it at all. If I mention 'clock' (I'm in with them now trying to keep them both lying down and quiet til morning) she gets super excited and jumps up trying to reach the clock shouting 'clock! Clock!' So not sure how to express to her that the clock says its nighttime without making her more wide awake and noisy.
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Amazingly they both went back to sleep for an hour. Surprising, but does also let me know that they are not dine sleeping when they wake at 6am!
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Anna we use the gro clock and I think Colby is getting it now. Have you read the book OT comes with to Audrey? That might help. Also we sing a goodnight sung song at BT when we set it and wave bye to the sun. And I say "wait for the sun" to Colby is he wakes before it and the "oh look the sun is up" when it comes on in the morning. Maybe she would identify more with day/night if you hanged your wording a tad?
Our mornings just gradually got later so hopefully your will too. 6.40am is about thellatest Wu I can hope for though.
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I don't have the book any more! Yeh maybe need to change what I say. I know she's not really getting anything about it at the moment, but I guess she will eventually.
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She is a couple months younger than Colby actually isn't she so he probably would have got it at 18mo but does now so maybe she will soon too.
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With e we introduced lights on a timer at about this age, rather than a clock, and made a big deal of how the lights were on so it was morning, so as Ali says perhaps different wording would help her to understand it. I think she is old enough to get the concept, though - I know a number of toddlers who have got it at about 18 months.
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I think the problem now is Stan, he's in a waking up at 6am loop and thunders to the bathroom like a baby rhino. I feel like maybe he needs a later bedtime but he's such a grumpy cuss in the evenings I just want him out of my hair and in bed! It's hard. Going OT now but sometimes I put him in bed at 7.30 and he's out to sleep immediately and I think YES he does need to go to bed at 7.30, and other days he's diddling about til 9 saying he can't sleep and I think he definitely needs a later beditme.