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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: Aishi on January 04, 2014, 22:28:46 pm
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Ok so im back
Dd was doing 5.25 am a time, upto 2.5h nap and 4h pm a until nw/ ew and had a dev leap...i thought she was ut so gradually increased a times. Shes been doing 6h am a, 1h50 min nap and 4.25/4.5 pm a (i pd at 4h a but takes 15-30 min to fall asleep). She was doing better with ew but still nw. Last night nw was 1+h and ew so
Wu 7.10
nap 1.10-3
bt 7.45!
Nw 1+h
I thought perhaps i was wrong bout ut so tried this today
Wu 7
nap 12.35-3.30!! i woke
Bt 8 (pd 7.30)
Im confused as to whether shes nw/ew cos shes ut or ot! all these wakings are happy (even when i know shes ot). Any ideas in what i should be doing??
Shes had 2 singing nws so far tonight...and oh shes not teething, ss, will be 2 on jan 17th...
Thanks!!
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How old is she?
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23Mo. Will be 2 on the 17th
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I would think that she probably only needs about 13 hours total at her age... So plan for that.
I think the NW are from a good nap with too short of a second A time.
If she naps for 2 hours, I would plan for a 11 hr night.
Wake 7
Nap 12:30-2:30
Bed 8
HtH
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Hi
Thanks for replying. I tried longer a times yesterday...but she still had 3 nws. These were unhappy :-/
wu 6.25
nap 12.05-2.25 capped
Bt 7.35 (pd 7.10)
she seemed ot at bt...dyt its just a routine tweak she needs to get a times right or time.to adust to longer a time? also shes hsn amd.doesnt do well with capping. Is that something she will get used to?
Thanks again
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Ok i need help. I just cant figure this kid out at all. So far today
Wu 7.25
nap pd 12.50 asleep 1.50!!
plan to wake by 3.30 and 7.30 bt since am a time was 6.5hrs!
I figured nap time was right today cos she did 5h35 am a yesterday and fell asleep straight away...how hard is it just to.have a consistent routine??!
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Hi,
She is approaching her 2nd birthday and there is a developmental leap at this age which affects sleep. IMO you should just stick to your normal routine as much as your LO will allow. My DD is suspectble to OT and so i did allow a slighter earlier uncapped nap and normal BT OR slightly earlier BT if the nap is short.
Hth x
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Thanks Hena. We just got over 18 mo regression and a dev leap! it seems never ending :(
she woke from nap at 3.05 so 1h15 min nap. So much for my plan! i would stick to our routine except we never really got back on track
Any thoughts on what time sleep for bt??
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I'm probably too late but with that nap I'd shoot for BT between. 6.30&7pm
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I did 6.45 and shes only gone quiet at 7.25!!
i give up! i just cant get it right atm!
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That's ok hon. Keep going and stay consistent. You will crack it, I promise x
Post your night and WU tommoro and will do my best to get on 1st thing to see if I can make any suggestions re: your day x
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Night was a diaster. She fell asleep at 7.45, few nws and up at 5.40! she eventually went back to sleep at 7 and is still asleep at 7.40. i dont know what to do anymore. Is she just ot?
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She woke at 8.20 so 11h15min NS minus the nws. I tried 5h35 a yesterday after 12h ns but she was ut for that, the night before she had 11.5h ns and did a good nap on 5h35a (i capped at 2.5h) but got ot for bt. Dyt i should try same a today or just bite bullet and do a nnd and 6pm bt??
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I wouldn't do a NND - I would so what you can to get and keep things on track. With a night like that I would have woken R at 8am to try and preserve the day. I think you need to get back to implementing your routine with some consistency. Just think if you feel like you're all over the place, how do you think your LO feels?
Today I would do this:
WU: 8.20
Nap: 1-3pm
BT: 7pm
What do you think? X
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She seems happier than i am! Lol but i see your point!
that sounds like a plan for today. Do u suggest i wake in mornings to stick to a routine regardless of how bad the night is?
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Ibthink you have to judge it on how bad the night was. For us, I always have a cut off of about 8/8.15 with a bad night when I'm trying to get back on track. Otherwise I think you run the risk of chasing your tail iykwim and making it harder to get back to where you want to be.
Good luck today x
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Ah Hena did you mean 2-3 since she woke up at 8.20 or 1 like u posted??! Not sure she would nap at 1 :-/
Hope u see this on time lol
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Sorry I didn't see it, was getting R from preschool.
I would have done 1pm based on tbr bad night to avoid OT. But if you didn't think she'll sleep then I'd do 2-3.30pm instead of 1-3pm. I wouldn't allow 2h at 2pm elSe you might end up OT/ut loop x
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Napped from 2-3.50 i didnt have the heart to wake her :( pd for bt at 7.55 but.didnt sleep till 8.35
ugh!! i have no idea what im doing. I dk if shes ot, ut, if being hsn is affecting sleep. I dont see any patterns in her.a times after ns or nap length anymore. I need a plan.
I need someone to tell me what to do and what routine to stick to. My MI is seriously on the blip!
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Oh hon, big hugs. I don't think letting her sleep until nearly 4pm is going to help your BT shenanigans. You know I have a LO who is bordering on hsn if she's bit hsn so i get the fear of the dreaded OT. It is hell (hence my own post today re:R) but it's time to get tough. You need to re-establish your routine, yes? So you will have to cap her nap just to get her to where she need to be at BT so that your whole day/routine can be reestablished. If it were me I would do tbr following:
WU: no later than 8am (if you continue to let her sleep late after being up half the night, she just think, yay I can do that because i get a lay in!)
Nap: 1-3pm ( of she won't nap at 1pm, let her nap later but get her up by 3.30pm to preserve BT)
BT: 7pm
Wash and repeat for 4days to a week and cross everything you've got!
What do you reckon? X
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Thanks Hena! i needed that :)
is that asleep by 7? And should i stick to these times regardless of wu and nap length for 4 days?
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I would put to bed at 7, anticipating sleep
By 7.15. However if you have naptime shenanigans a short nap, then you may have to consider an earlier BT. The earliest I would go though is 6.30, and only do so if the nap is broken or less than 1.5h. If you think she'll not make it to 7pm on 1.5h nap then go for 6.45 (asleep by 7pm)
Most importantly stay consistent in your approach. When you look at her thinking I have not got the heart to get you up, just think what BT and your night will be like if you don't. I hate waking R up but I do it to preserve her night and my sanity!!!!!! I hope that'll help you xxx
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Thanks Hena. I woke her at 8 this morning. Pd for nap at 1.20 altho she wasnt happy about it and asleep by 1.35...
Nap 1.35-2.55 dyt that was ut or ot??
should i aim for sleep by 6.30? thanks again hon x
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so 1.5h nap right? I wouldn't say that was OT or UT. Maybe with 8am WU that's all she needed. I would shoot for 7pm BT (asleep by that is). That is only an 11h day but given she's used to more DTS, i hope she won't be UT. What do you think?
Hx
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1H20 nap...still aim for 7?
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sorry, maths is not my thing! I would yes. I say that on the basis that you are effectively playing catch up to get her back on track. So with an 8am WU, 11h is a short day yk? If you're not altogether comfortable with that, then perhaps go for 6.45pm at the earliest?
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Ill aim for 6.45 no doubt shell let me know if shes not ready!
Thanks hon x
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No problem!
There must be something in the air today, R only napped 1h10m. Highly unsual!!!
Good luck. Let me know how you go x
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Pd for bt last night at 6.30, went quiet at 6.45 then started chattering again. Finally asleep by 7.20 ut??
Night was awful. Nw 9, 12 unhappy so had to rs. Nws 3, 6, 7 she ss. Wu 7.40. wdyt? was that ut or ot night? if she was ut wouldnt nws have been long? but how could she be ot after just 11h20 min day??' thoughts?
should i stick with 1.30 nap and 7 bt depending on nap length?
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The Wakings sound OT but truly I can't see how on the daybtjatbupunhad. With a 7am WU I would go with a 1pm nap and 7pm BT.
Do you think she could be in pain / discomfort? It is an odd pattern of waking based on your day yesterday.
See how you go. I can always try and get you some more eyes x
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Wu was 7.40...so 1 will prob be too early for her..
I thought she was in pain too so gave meds at 3 but didnt make a.diff...guess ill see how she gets on today....shes a mystery!
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Sorry I misunderstood your post. Yes with a WU of 7.40 I'd aim for a 1.30 nap, WU no later than 3.30 (whatever time she sleep) and BT at 7pm if the nap is good x
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Everything was going to plan. Nap was 1.30 but she woke early 2.45 so 1h 15min nap. Im beginning to think that after a 12h night shes ut for nap but getting ot by bt..wdyt?
should i aim for sleep by 6.45 since am a was longer than yesterdays and nap a little shorter??
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Yep, I would do that.
Is she teething at all ATM? I've probably already asked that but haut
Incase I've missed it.
Let's see how her night goes tonight and then consider tommorow's plan. I don't think you're too far off hon. Before the shenanigans what morning and pm A times was she doing. Can you remind me of her day as was?
H x
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I hope youre right! shes not teething. Just got molars.left.
Her previous routine was
Wu 7/7.30
A 5h30
nap 2-2.5h
A 4h
Bt 7/7.30
And today was
Wu 7.40
a 5h50
nap 1.30-2.45
Aiming for 6.45 bt
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Well pd 6.45. asleep 7.35!!! wth??!
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:o
She's coming up to 2y right? Given nothing seems to be making a difference and it's not teeth, that just leaves developmental craziness, which approaching her 2nd birthday would not be uncommon
Resign yourself to what will be will for tonight, and let's see what happens overnight. It might just be a case of managing the routine rather than tweaking while you ride this period out. Xx
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Think u may be right. I wasnt expecting another regression so close to the last one. Knowing my luck molars will come straight after...oh well.fxd for tonight x
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You clearly don't remember all of the support you offered me when at was going through a similiar thing at around 25m for what seemed like an eternity and then, yes molars!! For us there was very little reprieve between 23m and 28m BUT each time there was a reprieve R would just fall back into line with her sleeping like the crazy sleep and shenanigans had never happened. I guess that's why I always say to sick as closely to your routine as your LO will allow. At least that way there is some consistency for them and they will
Hopefully just snap back in order yk!
Anyway, yes fingers crossed for a good night xx
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So similar night to yesterday :( several nws but at least she ss. Wu was 7.05 so 11.5 h night.
From what i rem of the last regression (and it has all blurred!) i was pd for naps and bt 30-45 min.before.she was due to sleep so she could get all that chattering out of her system. Wdyt?
Should i do nap for 12.30 and 6.30/7 bt? xx
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Yep, I think that is the way forward. If she does sleep for 2/2.5h as she used then I wouldn't do BT earlier than 7pm - I think she'll be ut if you do.
I remember that R had a lot of night disturbances when her molars started to move. Just a thought.
I'm working today but will try ad check in later to see how you're doing x
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So.....today i for nap at 12.20, she siad she didnt want to sleep so i told her it was ok and she could just do quiet time. Anyway, asleep by 12.35. she woke after 1h20 min, chattered but went back to sleep again! wdyt this means?
day so far
Wu 7.05
a 5h30
nap 12.35-2.35 woo woo
Will aim for sleep by 7?
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That she's been used to a short sleep but still tired and so back off? I would do a 7pm. BT as that's just a 4.5h A which I would have though she could handle. What's your gut feeling? X
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Lol im hoping youre right and thatll work. Guess no other way to find out but try it!
thanks for the hand holding hon x
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No worries hon. How did she do?
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Lol i was just going to post asleep by 7.30 and she made a noise! minx
I pd at 6.50 so if she is asleep then 12.5h day on 2h nap...i think i should have pd earlier cos she seemed tired even tho she was saying no bed! Oh well tomorrow is another day...
She is asleep tg!
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See how she goes tonight, and if it's the same, then we can shoot for a 12h day tommorow?
Got everything crossed hon x
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Another rubbish night. 5 Nws two of which i had to settle. Wu was 6.50 :( how have i gone from having to wake at 8 to pre 7 wu??! Is it possible that a shorter am a (5.5h) can give longer nap but perpetuate ew?
Thoughts on what i should do today?
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Yep, it's why I was suggesting you push out the morning A. Each time with R with have ew and it's not teeth or developmental I push the morning A out. It seems to do the trick.
I do think your LO issue is developmental given that you have tweaked beyond tweaking and there has been no change. It can't IMO be a routine issue. If were me with R I would do the following:
WU: 6.50
Nap: 12/12.15 (capped at 2h)
BT: 6.30
What does your instinct tell you to do? X
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I was thinking similar. Its just so hard to get right atm. I agree its dev but i think shes gotten ot as well now :(
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Im losing the will to live! i pd for nap at 12.10- shes stillchattering at 12.55!!! wth?? she usually falls asleep within 10-15 min whether ut or ot for nap so this is new :( arggh so frustrated and fed up
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Gave up at 1.30. guess its a nnd whether i like it or not. What time bt??
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On a NND day I do a 6pm BT. Do you think she can handle that?
I'll in the meantime see if I can get some more eyes for you xxx
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Thanks hon. Ill see how she is around 5. she does tack on so could do earlier if needed xx
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Dh took both kids out in afternoon and said she had been fine, no meltdowns or hyperactivity. She was tired tho rubbing her eyes so i pd at 5.30 and she went staright to sleep like she used to. Ahh bliss. I hope she tacks on tonight!
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Got everything crossed for you hon. I hope she tacks on too and SSTN. At. Least that way she'll hopefully overcome the OT giving you a clean slate a it were. Xx
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Dyt she could be starting 1-0?? She was really high a needs for her age before dropping to one nap...
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From what you've described based on what we went through I'd say developmental. I ofcourse base that on my own experience of R bordering on hsn. She did the same thing for what seemed an eternity and once settled down is back to her sleep need self. She is 2.5y sleep 1h45m in the day (capped ) and 11-11.5h at night.
I'll try and get the other TS mods up take a look for you hon x
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Hi hun, I agree with Hena, it really sounds like 2 year old developmental stuff to me and we went through similar and we do from time to time actually. I think what is important during these times is to try and keep the routine as consistent as you possibly can. Obviously if she nap refuses then an EBT is important but I would not let her do big catch up naps or long lie-ins. I would keep the nap at about 2 hours and BT at a similar time each night. Through these phases lo's get all irregular and we need to be the ones to give them a bit of structure. It does not have to be totally set but keeping nap length to the same amount each day and a pretty regular start time to the day should help.....hope it passes soon!
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Thanks for posting Becky. Im trying to stick to some sort of routine but the little monster wont cooperate lol
Last night was AWFUL! NWS every hour from 7.30-1.30, 3, 5, 6 and up for the day at 7.10. she looks rough!!
any thoughts on what time.i should pd for nap? i doubt ill have to wake her ::) ::) i cant wait till this dev leap is over! xx
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Morning hon,
Sorry you had such a rough night again!. I would do this:
Nap: 12.30 (asleep for - capped at 2h)
BT:6.30-7pm (dep on nap lenght)
What were you thinking?
H x
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Thanks hon. Im not thinking tbh im too sleep deprived im just going to what u suggest lol
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Bless you. My heart really does go out to you. I remember feeling like I was going to loose my mind when R was doing the same thing.
How did she do with the nap? X
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Thanks for checking in hon. I pd at 12.15 and she fell asleep at 1.05-2 ::) ::) pd for bt at 6 and shes chattering away still- she blooming well better be a genious after this leap! God knows when she will fall asleep but im hoping if its a 12hr day only so sleep by 7 she may do ok. Its funny with ds i had no idea any of this messed with sleep cos i didnt sleep train him till 2.5 so most of this silly business was done with. Having said that hes still a worse sleeper than dd!!
Remind me again. R is sleeping well now & it does get better?! xx
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It does. She was doing brilliantly again and sleeping as she always has done. So yes it does get better. She has just hit 2.5y and literally within a day or so of doing so we've had some NW - chattering at silly o'clock and crying in her sleep. Definitely developmental and I think perhaps the last push re: molars.
Fingers crossed for a better night for you hon x
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Im glad to here that. When do dev leaps stop affecting sleep dyk? i thought by 3 they would be done?
she was asleep by 6.45 so fxd! i think she needs that 45-60 min to chatter before sleep so im going to try to cater for that :-/ and if that doesnt work then i will just suck it up till this leap over. Promise :) xx
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Bless you. It's a tough ask when you're in the middle of it and are sleep deprived I know. Tbh I don't know when they stop leaping as it were - I sincerely hope that you are right and that but is 3y. That will mean that this is our last leap, yay!!
Got everything crossed for you lovely x
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For.a while last night i thought we had made it until 1 then she chattered pretty much all night. Awake at 6-6.45 and then slept till 7.45. Yucky night
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Big (((hugs))) hon. What are you doing today? X
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Im sure im going to regret being excited about this but i pd dd early for nap so she could get the chattering out of her system and i think it worked....i just hope shes not really ut instead lol so
Wu 7.45
A 5h15
nap 1 (pd 12.20) i was expecting her to fall asleep for 1.15 ish so guess we'll see what happens....
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Nap was 1-2.35 so ok ish. I will aim to have asleep for 6.30/6.45 so pd by 6. fxd this works! x
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Just updating todays routine so i have a ref point if this works lol
Wu 7.45
a 5h15
nap.1-2.35 (pd 12.20)
a 4h
Bt 6.30 (pd 5.55)
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Bless you. Sorry I've not had a chance to check in today. Had a busy old day at work. Got everything crossed for you for tonight x
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Thanks hon. She did well only one nw :) at 3-3.15 and wu was 6.15. Early start to the day so not sure what im going to do yet lol xx
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That's great. Personally I would do this:
WU: 6.15
Nap:12/12.15 (asleep by - capped 2h)
BT:6.30
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Thats what i was thinking which means pd for 11.30ish :-/ will let u know how we get on today xx
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Good luck ;D
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Ugh i pd too early for nap at 11 cos she seemed tired i was hopong she would be.asleep by 11.45 but she was ut and got annoyed. I ended up telling her off :( :( shes been saying 'amma shout' since she woke :( i feel awful. I just wish this leap was over.
Anyways nap was 12.15-2.30 but i had to rs at 1.15, 2 so bt for 6.30 i guess...
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Don't be hard on yourself my lovely. I remember it was the pits for us, just ok fun at all. I really got to the end of my tether too.
I would do exactly that hon. It will get better I promise x
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Thanks hon. I know this will pass too but its hard to remember when im so tired...shes done ok today so i hope is cu on the ot...i thought being hsn would be a good thing until this!
so for todays log
Wu 6.15
nap 12.15-2.35 (rs 1.15, 2)
bt 6.50 (pd 6.20)
everything xd!
Thanks for your support hon it means alot :-*
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I totally feel your frustration hon, and your weariness being no doubt dog tired. I have a hsn child too so you have my every empathy.
I have everything crossed for you hon. Good luck xxx
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Think it may be over!!
had 2 brief nws before 12 and so far
Wu 6.10
Nap 11.40-1.35 (pd 11.30) ut i think but no shenanigans today tg!
So im thinking asleep for 6. wdyt? xx
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Yay!!
Yep I'd do 6pm BT given that she tacks on x
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Ugh disater bt! i screwed up :( i.should have done earlier bt cos i knew she was ot on 1h45 min nap. I pd at 5.45 (4.25h a time) and she fell asleep at 7. >:(
pretty sure im back to square one :(
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Hon don't be so hard on yourself, your suggestion of 6pm BT was perfectly reasonable - 4h25m A from WU from nap to bed!! Come on, take a breath. You are not necessarily back to square one and do you know if you have a bad night it's not like you don't know how to handle it. The thing is my lovely, there is no rule book, you can only do what you can do. And the reality is today is done now, whatever will be tonight will be. There's nothing you can do about it, so what's the point in making life miserable for your self and those around you by being cross with yourself ;) Come on my lovely, suck it up. Let's see what tonight brings and we can work tommorow out tommorow xxx
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Thank you. I needed that. All sucked up :) xx
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;) how'd you go?
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Not great. Wu was btwn 5.30-6.30 not sure :-/
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But no NWs?
I'd probably go for 12.15 nap, what were you thinking?
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Couple nws but not long...thinking same...xx
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Nap 12.15-1.45 :(
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Hey!
I know an hour and a half doesn't seem long to you given she always napped longer but for most LOs her age it's actually not too bad yk, for some a pretty decent nap. So with a 1.45pm WU I'm assuming you're going to shoot for a 6pm BT?
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Perhaps but i know how ot she is :( im going to pd at 5.30 and hopefully asleep by 5.45/6. just shooting in the dark here lol!
Its her bday tomorrow. I really hope she sleeps well. I dont want her being cranky all day!
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How did she do?
Happy birthday tommorow LO xx
I'm away as of tommorow for a few days so won't be checking in. I hope that by the time I gt back your all A ok and back on track. Don't forget don't be too hard on yourself, you're doing a super job (now believe it ;)). There's lots of support here for you hon. Keep going. And if you don't believe me, just look back at your earlier posts on this thread and you'll see how far you have come xxx
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Thanks for letting me know hon. Enjoy your days off!
fxd we'll be sorted like u said by end of weekend although she has just gone to sleep at 6.40 after i pd at 5.30 ::)
Tc xx
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Thanks my lovely. How did last night go?
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Few nws, awake on and off from 5.30 but def up by 6.10. i think shes over dev leap and im just struggling to get a times right now. Im going for 12 nap and 6.30/7 bt depending on nap length.
Whenever i get a later wu i think its time to got to set nap and bt cos im done with a times. She will learn to cope with ot now shes 2 right?!
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I'd say so. R did. We switched to set naps after the 2yr dev leap and introduced a gro clock. She got OT For a bit but got over it. Might be worth a shot. Have a look at the link below, it might help:
Set naps for toddlers: Why, How and When
Good luck xx
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thanks for link ill have a look at it. we went to my mums and she didnt nap :-/
wu 6.10
nap pd 12 but didnt nap
bt 6.10
dyt she may be ready for some nnds? she was fine today - no meltdowns or hyper behaviour as she normally does when ot..the last nnd was a disaster but she was in middle of dev leap..dont think she is anymore...
thoughts?
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so...dd had nw 7.30-45 and brief nws 12, 5...wu was 5.55 so not quit 12h night but at least no bt shenanigans....time to drop the nap?'
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Our day
Wu 5.55
nap 11.35-1.05
bt 6.25 (pd 5.55)
ok need help clarifying this- i think leap is over since its been over two weeks and she isnt singing through the night anymore ::). so should i assume 1.5h naps are the new norm now since when she does nap thats what im getting consistently?
also, dyt she was ot or ut for bt cos it still took 30 min to fall.asleep which it never does. Could it be ut since pm a was 5h20 by the time she fell asleep...
I know ur 'off duty' Hena its not urgent- dont think im.figuring this out any time soon ::) ::)
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Had another ew today...couldnt rs her...
Wu 5.40
a 6h10
nap 11.40-2.35
a 5h
Bt 7.30 (pd 7)
guess that was a cu nap and a really long day...so i cant really make anything out of the routine?!
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so we had 2 nws before 12 and a long happy nw from 2.15-3. Ut? Nights was 7.30-6.30 and TNS 13h minus nw which seems about right...
Plan (haha) for today
Wu 6.30
nap 12.30-2.30/3 capped
Bt 7/7.30
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Hi!
Sorry I for not replying to your posts. I wasn't just off duty but out of the country so was not accessing my emails or checking the site - quite expensive to 'roam' whilst overseas.
Anyway, could you please summarise your queries/concerns and what's been happening with your LO's sleep so I can try and help?
Btw, I hope she had a nice birthday x
PS - I've just noticed that you have a new thread - are you happy to receive advice on the new thread?
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No worries hon x hope you had a good holiday?
I have another thread going now...i think our dev issues are done with and im just trying to cu from ot and sort out a more age appropriate routine...xx
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Ok, no probs. I will lock this thread now and direct any posters to your new thread - saves double posts. Hope that's ok.
And yes, fab holiday thanks x
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