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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: *Becky* on January 09, 2014, 20:23:04 pm
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M is 31 months. This has been her routine pretty much since September...
A - 6.30-7am
Nap - 1.15/30-2.45/3pm (capped at 1.5 hours)
BT - 7.15/30pm
We had one weird regression around November time when she was waking earlier in the am but we stuck to the timings and got over it and she went back to being an angel ;)
So the last 3-4 mornings she has woken before 6am, she has a gro-clock and the sun comes up at 7am and apart form the occasional noise/moan she is happy enough to stay in bed, she may even doze, it's hard to know for sure :-\
So....I am guessing she is heading to 10.5 hour nights again - WWYD?
She goes to sleep at night straight away and she settles for naps usually within 5-10 mins (we sometimes get a nap refusal but not often)
Would you just ride it out for a bit and see what happens or would you cap the nap? Move BT later? I must admit I do like the nap time but it has to go sometime and with H I just slowly capped more and more during the 1-0. Atm I am expecting too much sleep from her anyway as BT is around 7.15pm and she can't get up until 7am and then she also has a 1.5 hour nap - more sleep than when she was 18 months! What do you think?
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bumping x
we heard her at 5.30am and 6.20am today but i think she must have slept inbetween....yday she did a lot of walking in the am and seemed v tired after her nap. She woke bang on 10 hours last night so maybe bit OT?
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I think Z regressed a bit around this age so I did more NND as he was tough to deal with if his nap was capped too much. This made him more tired on nap days and his overall sleep was more settled. Does she do NND at all?
A few months ago we hit the 1-0 hard though and now the nap is gone :'(
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yes she can do NND's - never done more than one in a row though. We tend to have a set BT on a NND of 6.30pm as she does not tack too well.
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also...she has had her nap capped to 1.5 hours since September so she is ok with a capped nap...just not sure how to move on. If she was fighting BT I would do a later one, if she was fighting nap I would push it out and have to cap it but for EWings I am not sure what the best action is? What do you think?
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Our nap was as late as 2 pm before we really hit the 1-0 so with ew and IIWM I'd try pushing the nap later first BT the same. So nap of maybe 2pm cap at 3.30 and BT 7.15/70...
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she has to be up at 3pm for school pick up? Nap 1.30-3pm with 7.30pm BT? This is pretty much what we have been doing but maybe a 15 min later BT will help??
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Oh yeah I forgot about school run. Damn something for me to look forward too in a few yrs ::) ;)
Would she take a capped 1 hr nap every day and a slightly shorter day? 1.45-2.45 with 7pm BT?
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I think it sounds good to try 7:30 BT or cap the nap at 1h15. Try one 3 days and see if it improves. x
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ok, will try 7.30pm BT first - thanks!
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actually thinking about it - it makes my life easier if during the week she is up at 2.45pm so we are not in a huge rush to get H so maybe nap 1.30-2.45pm and then same BT of 7.15pm. How does that sound?
I guess give it 3-5 days to see if nights get a wee bit longer?
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That sounds like a plan! After 3 days you will know which way to shift. Fx
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oh I don't know now Koe/Sara. She cried for a good while when I woke her today and I wonder if she is coming down with something or what? Not sure what to do now?!
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Her body clock for the nap is set. Would you want to cut it more gradually, say by 5 mins? You might have woken her in deep sleep. Another way is to put her down 10 mins earlier but would she be likely to refuse to nap? So tricky. Fx for bt.
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I'm back....don;t know what to do with M. She seems really tired atm, we keep getting 5.15/30am wake ups, we usually do get her back to sleep but she is restless. She is def not happy or talking, she seems unhappy. She is tired, at soft play the other day she laid down a few times!
I have been doing 1.15 or 1.30pm nap for 1.5 hours but she is sad to be woken and I don't know, it just does not feel like nap cut time but maybe i am wrong?? UT leading to OT??
She has started doing 1 extra am at pre school so she now does 2 mornings from 9-12pm and she does get tired.
What do you think I should do - pre 6am wakings are not ok for me...
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Mumm we had those WU too with the nap dropping really. :-\ it could also be developmental. You could offer a CU nap, but be wary she could be up late :-\
Daycare does ware them out though :-\ earlier nap if she would take it on those days maybe?
Do you keep her in bed till 6?
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we keep her in until 7am mainly because H gets up then and I don't want to disturb him and also...well it's just much nicer ;)
I think she did go back to sleep this am so I guess she is a bit OT when she wakes early - she ended up being happily in bed until 7.15am?
Today was a NND as my parents were over for lunch and she was not going to be missing anything - spirited little monkey. So 6.30pm BT it was and fingers crossed for the am.
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How was her night Hun?
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she had brief waking at 10.30pm but slept until about 6.45am so really good :)
did a nap yday and 7.30pm BT and we had a brief waking sometime in the early hours but not too bad on the whole. Maybe 1-2 NND's per week are the way to go?
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They certainly worked for Z. He did 1-2 nnd a week for months and it worked well. I just found a new pattern YK, so based on WU, or the day, or if we could do EBT, or behavior would dictate the nnd. That said I often did nnd on sat as DH was home and we could take him out all day then do a loooonnngg WD including tv on the couch ;)
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I'm back! Sorry, I am being a bit rubbish here as failing to make a decision about what to do with Miss M. So she continues to wake pre 6am....or around 6am. She is happy enough until 7am but I would like to try and work on the routine rather than rely on the gro-clock and she does wake H.
So, what plan sounds best.
1. Cap nap to 1.15 with same BT of 7.15pm - do this for a week to see?
2. Push BT later to more like 7.45pm but allow 1.5 hours as atm.
I can't really do any NND's because she is up too early for them and is tired by nap time...she still falls asleep easily at nap and BT.
What do you think? Any other good ideas?
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I am leaning towards cutting nap but follow her lead on bt aiming at the same but if she can't cope with the shorter nap, then bt 7:15! Would she cope with 1h nap do you think? That can significantly reduce day sleep and just do earlier bt, like 7!
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I think i will try 1.15 for a week and see if it makes any difference and then maybe go for 1 hour. She does not like to be woken. So keep to 7.15BT and do a 1.15 nap. Will keep you posted and go from there. Thanks koe!
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If she doesn't like to be woken, even try 1.20 nap. fx
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not sure that will make enough difference tbh...what is weird is that she settles straightaway for BT and within 5-10 mins for naps so she IS tired...maybe it was UT causing some OT..who really knows.
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In that case, she shifted her own body clocks that way. Do you want to shift Wu time then? I wonder if all you need to do is shift nap time???
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I can't let her sleep past 2.50pm ish as that is school pick up x
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I see... Fx this week. X
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I was wondering about a slightly earlier WU as an option of nap and Bt are difficult. You could get her up at 6.30 (even if this is just to adjust her body clock for a bit) then nap a touch earlier and same Bt so longer day. She may then start sleeping till 6.30 iykwim?
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I would wonder if it is worth trying to bring the nap earlier so that she has a longer a to bed and is therefore more tired - if you are convinced that the ew is ut but she is settling easily for sleeps then it might be that the afternoon a is just not quite long enough. Do you think she would fall asleep if you put her down earlier for her nap?
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I'm not convinced that the EW is UT especially as she is falling asleep so easily for nap and BT but she has always been an EW'er and when were at the end of the 2:1 it was 10.5 hour nights the whole time until I made the jump so I 'think' it is UT but with OT thrown in as the days are getting longer. She slept till 6.15am today I think so better. I could def do an earlier nap but I worry that she needs the nap late in the day as she is an EW'er - pushing the nap back def helped her mornings when we first did it.
So today she went down at 1.30pm but did not fall asleep until more like 1.40pm (pre school am which always makes her OS) so will wake at 2.55pm....think maybe I should stick to a 1.30pm nap and keep it at 1.15 for a good 7 days or so and then see....what do you think?
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It is a good way to start. And only changing one variable to make it easier to see the difference as an experiment.
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Don't think this is working :(
Have done 1.15 for a week and we had one am of about 6.15am wake up but most incl today have been earlier (5.45) and today she often does not go back to sleep either.....I am wondering now if it is just OT and whether to give her a longer nap today and see?
How do I know if it is OT or UT issues.......??
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Hi Becky,
For us, UT tends to manifest itself with a silly o'clock (usually around 2/3am) put the world to rights chatathon and up to 30 minutes to fall asleep at BT.
OT usually results in EW/short nights (usually 10h), sometimes BT shenanigans, over emotional outbursts, falls Asleep easily but restless
I've not read through your whole thread but picking up the theme, with R I would definitely give a slightly earlier and longer nap a shot, especially when you've tried the other way and it's not working.
R's just gone through about 2weeks of needing longer naps (1h45/2h) but we're going to 1.5h again today given last nights chatathon ::) but I still think that maybe once/twice a week she'll still need a longer nap.maybe the same for you? I genuinely dont know but wonder if there needs to be a greater degree of flexibility at this age - still within a set routine as such but with some opportunity for longer / shorter naps
Hth and doesn't confuse things even more for you xx
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Thanks hena, I'm going to put her down at 1/1.15pm today and just let her sleep....why is this always so hard!!!
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bleugh. H was being noisy and she has not settled for her nap yet.....I may just get her up in a bit and do an EBT.
Sara - can you talk to me about your NND/nap day routine you did with Z. I am wondering about trying that. Maybe doing a NND on a Sat or Sun so we can just go out or at least not ask H to be quiet 25 times which is really getting old now. The we could do a NND mid week and then the other days allow 1.5-1.45 so from 1.15-3pm ish...is that a plan?
I am not sure the capped nap is going to work for her, she is ok ish on 1.5 hours but being at pre school twice a week really tires her out and we are quite busy in the mornings, maybe she needs the longer nap. She can def cope with a NND for sure although today will be interesting seeing as she was up form 5.45am. :(
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What we did was started with 1 nnd a week. Typically sat so he could get time with dad and we could go out on day trips. I'm a bit weird I make up 'rules' that work for Z as he is so touchy but really routine driven.
My rules were he had to have a good night sleep before a nnd and WU later than 7 as he could only do a 11 hr day max to start with - day would be like WU 7.15, quiet time from 4 and BT 5.45-6. He would then sleep 12.5-14 hrs :o then if not up by 7.30 I'd get him up. Nap was usually 1.30/2-3.30 (or earlier if tired) and he was always tired from the day before iykwim. On a nap day BT was always 7-7.30 till much later when a nap started to ruin his nights.
Then I just threw in a car nap every week or two, and quickly we got into 2 nnd a week ie wed and sat. Each time we did the extra nnd it lasted months.
Once he was 3 though naps became evil. He would do a 30 min one every 2/3 days and if more than that he didn't sleep at night, then was tired because of the short night so we would get into a loop if I let him have too much. Naps are gone now...finally :)
Zac was terrible on naps capped shorter than 1.5 really so I held that nap as long as I could HTH x
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we will not get a shorter day than about 12 hours but I am hoping that will be ok, it was for H...
thanks sara.
well she ended up napping 1.45-3.30pm. I let her sleep till 3.30pm as it took her ages to fall asleep. BT same as usual and she was awake 5.30am :(
She said her nose hurt??
But pretty she did go back to sleep at some point.
So what do I do here? I feel a bit lost. Part of me thinks this is nap dropping as H always woke early when he needed more A time/less npa but part of me also thinks is it just OT?
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She is nearly 3 .. And Z was like 2.3 yrs when we started nnd so I it's not unlikely she can cope with a 12 hr day on a nnd, or close to it.
I wonder if she is like Z got close to nap dropping. The nap messes up the night ie short. So then she is tired for the nap because of the short night. You have to break the cycle somehow :-\ just not sure the best way to do it as we ended up with 30 min nap...
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If shorter nap isn't helping, I'm leaning towards moving the nap later. To give a longer first A and because of school pick up, it caps the nap also. BT would keep the same or follow her cues. wdyt?
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I wonder if she is like Z got close to nap dropping. The nap messes up the night ie short. So then she is tired for the nap because of the short night.
I am wondering this too.....
Not sure what to do today so guess I will just do the 1.15-2.45pm nap and same BT.
I could do a later and shorter nap so more like 2-3pm...really don't know. I need to make a plan but feeling a bit unable to make a decision.
I might ask Ali as she follows the NND/nap day routine I think.
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If your gut says, go with NND, then just try it. At least you will know what to do afterwards!! FX for you. Try 3 days and evaluate! Won't hurt!
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I think at this age Zs sleep cycle was 1 hr so you could try 1 hr and see if she wakes ok ???
I agree with koe, go with your gut xx
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OMG - restless from 4am......:( :(
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Ugh! She's got all her teeth aye?
What was her WU in the end?
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probably about 5.15am. She has all her teeth. what do I do? I can't do a NND today can I? Grim.
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does anyone have any idea what I should do today?
maybe i need to start a new thread to see if anyone else has been through this with 1-0...if that is what it is!
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I started a post and it has gone!
Is your gut still NND? Is she able to go on till bt without a nap? It is almost 1pm there. Do you want to let her just do CN for 30 mins?
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I would have no idea what time to do bed on a 30 min nap, that't the problem and she has been up since 5.15am. I don't know????
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ok so I guess I have a couple of options.
1. stick with 1.15-2.45pm nap with 7.15pm BT and hope this is some weird phase.
2. cut nap to 1 hour from 1.45-2.45pm and assume this is 1-0 stuff. (cutting to 1.15 did not help)
2. do 1-2 NND's a week....then allow a longer nap on the other days.
I have a 2.45pm cap for the nap whatever I do due to school pick up otherwise I would probably just move nap to 2-3.30pm with later BT.
what do you think?
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Hi :)
Colby couldn't cope with a 1.5-2hr nap every day and do a decent night. Three days a week (Mon, We'd, Sat) when I do my playgroup and the boys have swimming lessons he has a no nap day. The other 4 days he has a nap around 1pm for 1.5hr, often 2hrs if I am lazy to wake him or Cadan and I are caught up doing something. He goes to bed at 7pm and is pretty much straight out on no nap days but on days he has napped he doesn't fall asleep until 7.45 or 8pm. That probably sounds mean but I have to put the boys to bed together at 7 or Cadan won't get to bed early enough. He just lays in bed and calls me back for water or to be tucked in again a few times normally. He never gets upset because he is UT, just takes longer to fall asleep.
Colby loves his naps and I always wake him or he would sleep at least 2hr15. The other day when I suspected he was sick he slept 3.5hrs before waking of his own accord. Luckily he had put himself to bed at 11.45am while playing in his room and still went to bed at his usual time. He never did get any other symptoms apart from seeming really quiet and sitting about though.
Colby almost always sleeps to 7.10am when our sun on the Groclock comes up, 6.45am at the earliest but that is rare.
Cadan was on a 30 min nap most days by 2.5yo with the other days being NNDs. These naps were either in the car, buggy or occasionally a late one on the sofa. He gave up napping in his bed when we moved him to a BBB at 27mo and I didn't have the time to fight the nap resistance with a 7mo Colby to care for as well. I tried for a week to spend between 1hr and 3hrs doing GW every day but not once did he nap so I gave up. The GW worked a treat for BT but that was mostly DH doing it.
Do you have any way to get M to take a catnap in the buggy or car etc.? Mine were always happier when they woke if it was a CN on the move that they woke from of their own accord (sometimes with some strategic noise to stir them ;) ).
Do you think either of these approaches might work for M?
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Colby almost always sleeps to 7.10am when our sun on the Groclock comes up, 6.45am at the earliest but that is rare.
wow - neither of mine do that but H is pretty good really.
I could do a 30 min car nap before I get H from school, she will not ever sleep in the buggy.
I am just struggling to know what approach to take. I think doing what you do i.e. 3 no nap days would be fine but she would need a 6.30pm BT I think...that's fine though. Then I could let her do a 1.5 nap on the other days 1.15-2.45pm
I am struggling to know how to get out of this phase though as can't do a NND on a 5am start?? :(
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Meg had nap dropped by now. She did it all of a sudden, but if she did naps he was always exhausted and awful to wake up. She would seriously scream for over 30 mins, and it just wasn't worth it. But there was no way I was getting up at 5am either.
We didn't have all our teeth until after 3, so had the odd random EW for a while. But dropping the naps def stopped the vast majority of them.
I think they all get OT anyway no matter how you approach it, so really you could do a NND regardless of wake up time :-\.
I'm def a bit of a 'pull the plaster off' type though ;). But I wouldn't be prepared to spend 6 mths doing the 2-1 with 4-5am WUs :-\.
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So hard to know. You will not know until you try, though. Fx for tonight.
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I am of the same opinion liz - not got the patience this time round to spend 6 months on it!
well she slept well last night - did not fully wake till 6.50am ish although she did have a waking around 5am ish and who knows if she was just quiet as the first thing she said to me was ' i waited for the sunshine so now we go to monkey music!'
anywhoo if she did sleep in it was on an almost 14 hour day and 1.10 nap.
I would almost rather do some NND's but DH thinks cap to 1 hour first and I am happy to try that, I know that 30 mins would be too little for every day and would alos entail me not only losing her naptime but also driving around which is not ideal at all.
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Try it for a week, and if you are still getting EWs make moves to drop it completely. It really is OK not having nap time to do stuff once you get used to it. Megan will either help me, or sit in her room listening to her CD player or something, although I guess once they don't nap they really do have to self entertain a bit more.
Megan always responded very well to set times as well. She is the same now - watch out if that little head is not on the pillow by 7am ;). Fuss fuss fuss fuss scream sqwark!
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so liz - were EWings the only sign that Megan was in 1-0. I thought they refused nap or BT? That is the only thing that makes me doubt what is going on yk? If that is what M did then I guess I have more faith it is 1-0.
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Fwiw Z needed a 14 hr day with any kind of nap by 3, even 30 mins.
I think if the ew are chronic and not improving with tweaking - then CT may be your least painful option.i have a super touchy boy and we really gradually dropped the nap BUT even he got OT with the nap drop - it's inevitable I think. ::)
Hugs...the 1-0 is a &$@()
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Oh no, Megan hardly ever refused bedtime as she was such an 'on the clock' baby. So at 7pm she was tired pretty much regardless. She might sing and take a bit longer to go to sleep if she was genuinely UT after a nap, but she would never refuse.
With naps she would happily have her milk and cuddles and go, sing for a bit, and then call asking to get up again ::) ::). Plus a bit of nap refusal.
She was the same when I got 2 long naps out of her at 6 mths. Would go to bed at her usual time and then wake and have EWs. Got rid of the extra day sleep and she went back to STTN. Shame it took me 3 mths to figure it out ::) ::).
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ok...sounds similar to M.
I think I am going to do a 1 hour nap 1.45-2.45pm with 7.15pm BT (or i could do 1.30-2.30pm with 7pm BT) and what do you think - how long should I do it before we try something else? I really think it will not suit her as she will end up OT but DH wants to try this first and after asking him I feel I should listen to him a bit ;)
Also, if it does not work we can reassess....so ladies how long to try it for?
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Give it 1-2 weeks or so.
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thanks liz - will do....took her a while to drop off today but will cap at an hour.
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One thing which I remember from when e started dropping the nap was that when she was getting ot she needed a long nap to get back from it BUT (and this is the critical bit) it had to be a nap that she woke up from herself and bedtime had to stay the same. So when I could tell that she was getting ot, I would put her down for her nap at the usual time and leave her - once she slept for 3 hours and I spent the whole time fretting that she would never go to sleep at bedtime! - and I put her to bed at 6.30 as usual and she slept for 12 hours. We could only do this once in a while, though, not as a regular thing, but it did help to reset when things were going off the rails a bit. Perhaps it might be something to try once during the process to see if it can start you from a better place?
We capped the nap from very early on with both girls (for us it was more that they had to be awake by a certain time rather than they could only sleep for a certain amount) and this was really helpful with e when things were going off track.
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What did you end up doing yesterday? Nap or not? It seems like she's ready to tack. It might be a very good thing. I just remember that when DS dropped nap, if he had even a 2 min car nap, he would be UT at bt, then OT to bed, NW and EW. He was going to bed about 5 or 5:30 for a while. It was heavenly :P
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yday she did a 1.10 nap - that was her choice, she woke. Today a 1 hour nap which I woke her from. I have no doubt at all that she will get OT during this process as she is not good with capping but I am hoping that she will adjust. I am setting nap for 1.30pm and BT for 7.15pm and will bring it a touch earlier if needed. Today she did not drop off until 1.50pm but I let her have the full hour.
Thanks clare - def something to think about if it all goes wrong!
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not enjoying this at all....she looked so tired today bless her although she did manage the day fine. 1 hour nap from 1.30-2.30pm and quite good spirits when I woke her. PD for about 7.10pm but she has taken a while to settle which is v unusual for her, I am convinced it is OT as she is really good at settling for bed usually.....do I just have to ride it out?
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well...she's still awake at nearly 8pm so either this is OT or developmental. Yikes, how hard can it be!
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Yes just ride it out. She will be OT to start with because she hasn't had a chance to catch up at night yet she is just down on her day sleep. Stick at it and she should start taking the extra at night. Fingers crossed.
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Yes, ride it out! They always look tired with a routine change.
If Megan gets OT she usually does the bedtime fuss for 2-3 days before crashing out and having a nice big sleep :).
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it is HARD!! fx
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thanks girls! I trawled through some posts of 1-0 with Henry and Jacob last night just to see what H was doing and our posts were pretty desperate yet here was I thinking H did the 1-0 so well.....time really does make you forget!! She STTN until about 6.45am I think so could have been a lot worse...
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She is definitely adjusting! Yay!!
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;D
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That's great isn't it?
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yeah it is.....it's now 1.50pm and she has had a morning at pre school and she is up thee kicking the cot so it may be a NND. Either she is waaayyy OT or we really are dropping the nap!
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Perhaps too OS! Perhaps slightly earlier bt.
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I tend to keep BT set at 7.15pm but will do 7pm if needed. She has never consistently slept more than 11 hours at night so just don't want to go too early but will see how she is this m. Thanks for the support ladies x
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She's nap dropping and a bit OS after preschool ::) ::).
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ok well we have been doing this for about a week so update and advice....
generally things have been ok/better in that she has not been up to any 4/5am shenanigans and if she does wake and make a noise which is pretty normal for her, she goes back to sleep.
Yday she slept later and was only woken when H called out (loudly!) at 7.15am. She clearly would ahve slept more, was yawning for a while etc but then did not nap despite PD at normal time so we did an EBT of 6.30pm which tbh is the earliest we tend to go with either of them. She had a pretty restless night which is v unusual for her on a NND, usually we might hear her once but she sleeps fine. So then today she was clearly tired and did her usual nap (capped to 1 hr) as per plan and I PD for bed just after 7pm.
So....carry on with the 1 hour naps for a bit longer? I wonder whether the fact she did not sleep well last night after a NND is because the hr naps are a bit short for her and she is getting OT..maybe she would benefit from 2-3 NND's but on the days she naps to have longer i.e. not be woken? Tricky isn't it...
Do you think I should just stick with what we are doing for another week or so and then reassess?
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Yeah, it all sounds pretty positive, and I would just plough on. OT is inevitable with a routine switch to a degree, and since the EWs are settling I would just keep focus on that side of it.
They all have restless nights from time to time yk? :-*
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I would keep with the 1hr nap. It seems she gets more sleep on those days in total.
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thank you both :-*
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this week has been a bit like hard work. We had a NND on Tue, then has napped for 1 hour the last 2 days but has refused today. Thing is she seems so darn tired and is hard work too. I have no problem with her not napping but I wish she would cheer up a bit :(
So looking like 6.30pm BT again today and tomorrow we have a family party to go to so she will get either a late car nap or no nap at all....
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I remember when DS dropped nap at 3 yo, he had to be in bed by 5:05 or I would get EW, NW. I enjoyed that period so so much!
Fx
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just not possible here koe, really isn't. I am on my own at that time every night and I know my stress levels would be through the roof trying to deal with the 2 of them and the pressure of EBT...
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I don't meant to put pressure on you at all. I just want to say that if she is tired and not got enough, it might be a reason. You have to do what is possible. It was really stressful to get him in bed on time. I understand. Fx for tonight.
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I don't meant to put pressure on you at all.
I know and thanks for the support hun. I just know that super EBT's won't be possible here.
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I'm with you Becky - super early bedtimes can't happen for us either. It just doesn't work for either me or the kids!
There is always grumpiness with an adjustment.
Did you cap the naps at 1 hour or did she wake?? I'm just wondering if she is going to resist sleep and have NNDs then she may not need her naps capping as such as well :-\.
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I capped the naps, she would like to sleep more for sure....she won't nap tomorrow as at a party so thinking I should just ket her nap Sunday..what do you think?
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Yeah, I probably would as long as she goes down early enough for a full nap without ruining bedtime.
Again bedtime resistance would be useful to see anyway wouldn't it? In terms of knowing what to do next?
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Again bedtime resistance would be useful to see anyway wouldn't it? In terms of knowing what to do next?
absolutely!
12.5 hour night last night straight through, no wake ups - that is as good as it gets and makes me feel better about today also being a NND x
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Cool!! Good to hear positive update!
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:D
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If she is having NNDs then I would allow 1.5hrs the next day to catch up.
What times is she waking in the mornings now?
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she has woken somewhere from 6.30-7am this last week :)
Today was a NND as we went to a party, we tried a car nap but she was too excited/wired. I am not expecting a great night but will def do a nap tomorrow for 1.5 hours. Thanks guys x
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Good luck
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so we did 2 NND's and she was great...6.30-7am which is amazing for her :)
I agve a nap on Sunday and Monday for an hour and tbh she was tired, she cried from one wake up. Nights have been more restless so yday we just did 1.5 to see and she slept much better but was restless in the early morning.
So rock and hard place???
It seems the NND's do work better but am not sure how many to do in a row and also how long to let her nap on the days she naps...what do you girls reckon?
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Yay! I personally would only do half hour nap. The day sleep stole from the night sleep. CN to prevent OT but not enough to affect the night sleep. For DS, even a 5 min nap after I picked him up would kill the night sleep. So I couldn't even allow CN unless I let him go to bed much later.
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ok, thanks koe. So do you reckon 2-3 NND's and then 30/35 mins on the other days? I am worried about OT setting in.
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Maybe the 1.5hr nap was too much after two 1hr nap days? Do you personally prefer NNDs or nap days? You could alternate with a 1hr nap and then a NND or do 2 NNDs and then a day with a 1.5hr nap. I'd only do 30 min naps if you are doing them almost every day but tbh it wasn't worth it for me to have to put my DS in the cot for half an hour as he was too unhappy to wake from a nap in bed. We did 30 min naps most days but always in the buggy or car so he woke naturally after a CN and wasn't grumpy because he never really got into a deep sleep.
Posted with you...
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IMO the fewer nap days you can do, the sooner she would settle in and get used to NND. However if she's not ready, then a nap would help to keep OT at bay. This is the first time she has had NNDs and her body needs adjusting the body clock for it. I would actually do slightly earlier bt to prevent OT, rather than fitting a nap in, e.g., on weekends, or the days that is possible, i mean 30 mins earlier, not SEBT. The restless nights are indication that she's not tired enough to get the full rest in the night.
If it is not possible to have slightly earlier bt, then slip in a nap but be prepared for a restless night which means she would again spiral down to the tired route the next day. It just keeps this transition period longer. Just my 2 cents in our situation. Is it half term with you? Is it possible to try out NNWeek? Her nights might even get longer. FX for whichever way you do. xx
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It really does varying from child to child. Cadan had completely dropped the nap by this age and was doing 13.5hr nights but Colby is still having 4x 1.5-2hr naps a week with 11.5hr nights (12hrs15 on NNDs). With Colby I try not to have more than 2 days in a row of either NNDs or nap days. We do
Monday = no nap, Tuesday = 1.5-2hr nap, Wednesday = no nap, Thursday = 1.5-2hr nap, Friday = 1.5-2hr nap, Saturday = no nap, Sunday = 1.5hr nap and so on. Typically he sleeps approx 7-7.15 on NNDs and 7.45-7.15 on nap days.
I prefer the naps as he gets more sleep overall, (13-13.5hrs as opposed to 12hr15 on naps days) and he is more likely to sleep soundly. If I get more than 3 NNDs in a row he tends to have multiple OT NWs between 10pm and 2am which although short (asks for help with water or quilt then I can leave) are obviously very disturbing. This was totally not the case for Cadan as a 30 min nap took his night down to 12hrs or so from 13.5hrs. I did find that Cadan's nights only extended to 13.5hrs after a good few weeks after we dropped the nap completely at 30mo. It is also a case of juggling the two boys because it just doesn't work here for them to have vastly different BTs and WUs and Cadan only does a 12-12hr15 night now he's 4yo. Not sure if you have any of the same constraints with regards to fitting in with H's routine.
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The only constraints we have are that she has to be up by 2.45pm in the afternoon and she will be woken at 7.15am as H shouts loudly when he wakes and nothing we have tried wrks about that!
Today is a NND so will see how tonight goes...I do find it hard when they like to nap, never thought I would say that but she likes to nap, she likes going to sleep at night and she does get tired easily.Problem is it really does seem that naps are not giving good nights atm.
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Sweetie when Z got to the point of napping for a short time every 3/4 days he actually was so tired he went down earlier! Like 11/12 am! You could try for an earlier nap and see what happens. The 1-0 really changes the rules a bit YK?
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The liking to nap can also be body clock habits. FX for the night. xx
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well she napped 15/20 ins in the yday - asleep for 7pm and not too bad. Few wake ups but nothing major.
I still am not sure the right approach for her but I guess we will just take each day as it comes.