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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: Me.and.my.two.boys on February 19, 2014, 15:32:56 pm
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C is 16.5mo. This has been his routine for about 2 months
WU: 8am (I usually have to wake him - up tills a week ago he would sleep till 10am if I let him, sometimes 11am - this last week he has been waking naturally around 8)
S: 12.30-2.45 (again I had to wake him - this last week I have limited nap to 2 hours between 12.45-2.45 though)
BT: 6.45/7 usually no NW's but sometimes one at 4/5am and he has milk and straight back to sleep.
This week a few times he has chatted for a bit at bedtime before falling asleep and last night he had a NW at 10-11, he was just awake and wanted up to play, milk or cuddles didn't settle him but after an hour milk eventually did.
I know I don't have major problems but just trying to prevent any, do you think I need to change anything? I know he is higher sleep needs than most and 4.75A works well in the morning, he could prob go to 5 but then I would have to get him up after 1.45 nap to do the school run? I'm not sure about the afternoon A, is it usually the same, longer or shorter than morning?
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Same boat here honey! I even posted similarly lol.
There is a developmental leaps starting at ~16 mths it often leads into the 18 mth sleep regression....
Teething is a bit of a problem here too, any teeth coming?
I'm working on pushing the nap back a little. With a WU of 8 you could try 1-3?
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That would be ideal but I have to wake him at 2.45 to go collect L from school. He's been sleeping so well, I'm really not looking forward to any sort of regression! Lol!
What's your day look like Sara? What's T's A time like?
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We had similar problems with S around 16 months. I think his days are a little bit short, so he's waking. S would seem tired but then we would end up putting her down. She'd go down but then wake a little later, or she'd just struggle to go down. I understand about the school runs messing things up. But I'd either try waking him a little earlier and/or moving BT back a bit. Our day is
7:30 - WU (she wakes anywhere from 7-7:30, but I wake her up if she sleeps past 7:30)
1-3 Nap (I wake her up, she was sleeping longer, but we found 2 hours was the key to good nights sleep and reasonable BT
7:30 BT (sometimes she only makes it until 7/7:15 for BT).
I hope that helps.
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Well our day was same as neyssas dd but nap was 12.30 but it's gone wonky on it's own now ::) my gut says teeth though as with an increase heis. Ew and I don't feel it's OT :-\
Agree his total A is really now but my Los are both LSN so their total A needs to be at least 10-10.5 hrs I n a day
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Today I was out and he hates sleeping in the buggy so his day was this
WU 8am
S 1.15-1.50
BT 6.30
He can manage longer A's but if we are home he starts showing tired cues after 2hrs A and by 4hrs he's waiting at the stairs to go to bed - I actually have to distract him, usually with food, to keep him up longer!
I'm going to wake him at 7.45 tomorrow and aim for this
WU 7.45
S 12.45-2.45
BT 7.15
It may or may not work but it's worth a go maybe?
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Just wondering, how is his iron levels do you know? When toms iron was really low he acted tired a lot as he was anemic. We also get tired signs when hungry ::) :P
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And yea your routine for tomorrow looks good :)
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I don't know iron levels? How would I find out? Bloods?
Before the last week he would get really cranky when hungry but now he grabs me (usually my leg) and takes me to the kitchen and points to the cupboard! It's very cute but it gets tiring when he does it 10x in one hour because he wants a biscuit! Lol!
This morning he was acting tired 1.5hr after getting up! Honestly, I've never seen anything like it! Do you think he might be anaemic with the dairy free diet? He eats plenty of meats and I try and get as much veg in him as possible but it's mainly hidden in sauces, he loves fruit but maybe I need to get a multivitamin?
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If he's eating well then it's he's too low, yeah you need bloods to know but it could be something different, like teething? The moving molars make t really tired - also what does he eat in the morning. My boys get tired if they don't eat a good breakfast. Even worse if they have sugar in the morning ie biscuits as they are sugar loaded and get short bursts of energy. Tom has more energy on the days I give him a chicken or lamb sausage for breakfast :o bananas are good slow release for energy too.
Does he get outside? - try taking him for fresh air to distract at 1.5 A as my suspicion is it's something else masking as tiredness maybe boredom? (T gets so bored so fast!)
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Yup were going out as much as poss and it does help, both he and I have been a little poorly the last week (he ate some dairy and I've just been so drained) so I haven't been out as much. Were going to walk tomorrow, he loves getting out and splashing in puddles.
He loves bananas so I'll keep that in mind for morning - usually toast or weetabix in the mornings, sometimes porridge so I'll keep an eye on it. I don't really give him sugary biscuits, more like fruity/oaty bars but I just call them biscuits lol! He gets the occasional ginger snap but most biscuits he isn't allowed anyway so I don't really bother.
I'm hoping to push that first A tomorrow to 5 so I will let you know how he gets on :) thank you xx
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Good luck Hun, honestly, at this age it could be anything ::) they keep us on our toes don't they.
(Hugs) for being poorly, that never helps does it x
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Oh what a mess
Battles at BT and 5am NW!!
I'm trying to start from scratch today so woke him at 8am so going to do nap at 12.45-2.45 then BT at 7 and see how he goes down!
BT is so hard when he resists as I'm on my own and gave to sort L too :(
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Hugs lovely. Good luck with today. You may find he needs a 12 hr day on a two hr nap but see how things go today x
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I can't keep him up past 7! It's crazy!
Ended up having a shorter nap today because he fell over and bust his lip at 12.45 and was upset so he never actually went to sleep until 1.10 and I had to wake him at 2.45 so he had 1.35.
Depending on how the night goes I think I will wake him at 7.30 and do a 12.30-2.30 nap and then 7pm bt?
Tonight BT went ok, teeth, Jammie's, stories went well but as soon as I put him down he screamed. I took L into his room and got him in bed and while I was doing that C screamed angry for about 60 seconds then mantra for about 60 seconds then just stopped? I'm so glad but wondering what the reason for the crying is?
Hopefully he sleeps well!
What are you doing with bt/nap refusal or NW, I don't ever know whether to pick him up or try and settle in his cot or what?
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Just wanted to pop on to say i wrote a very similar post when Eva was 16 months old. Naps and BT went crazy,we had crying, NW's just wanting cuddles it was a nightmare. It lasted about 10 days then it just stopped. At the end of it she needed an extra 30mins A time so we went to this:
WU 6:30
S 11:30 - 13:50
BT 7:00
If she happens to sleep later than 6:30 which is a rare occassion / sometimes earlier we do 5hrs A time each end as apposed to set times other as she just cant go longer without short napping, NW.
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Could it be sa or teeth Hun? - it's a developmentally crazy period. Is he trying to talk?
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He doesn't say much but is defo trying - says 'hiya' about 100 per day and occasionally says dada but just yesterday started saying 'dinner'
Possibly SA - doesn't seem to be teeth as it is only at nap/bt
Just had a NW at 9.50pm - I think it was me that woke him when I was upstairs to the toilet but he was screaming. I lifted him out and he settled but screamed when I put him back down and continued to scream as I tried to settle him in his cot. I ended up giving him milk! I don't know what else to do?
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Bad dream? They start having nightmares around this age I think. Fwiw I'd do the same thing ;)
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I do not know what's happened? I think developmental here but mixed with SA? He woke at 1.30 and I have him milk as he wasn't settling, he cried out a few times between then and 3am when he was shouting/crying so I went in and he said 'hiya' and seemed wide awake. I tried to settle him for 30 mins and each time I thought he had gone to sleep, one tiny noise and he sprung back up shouting 'hiya' and if I wasn't right there next to the cot he started crying :( I caved and gave him more milk but he's just cried out again so I'm assuming he's finished it and still isn't sleepy?
I'm so tired :(
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Ugh....well believe it or not tonight we have had SA chatty Bt shenanigans too! Sorry but I did giggle a little with 'hiya' were getting 'shhhh' with the finger on the lips ::)
When we have this nonsense (ie now ::) ) I tend to mix up riding it out and adjusting the routine so ill prob push A 10 mins and spend the extra time doing a longer snuggle, read etc and hope for a better night.
What is his total A time in 24? I think you prob need a min of 10 hrs A ...
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His total A yesterday was 9.5. I would try and push to 10 today but he slept in this morning because he was up during the night and I let him because I was so tired :(
Yesterday was
WU 7.30
S 12.30-2.30
BT 7
Today
WU 8.30
I'm going to try and aim for 1 - 2.45 nap and then 7.15 BT. I know that's only 9A but I don't know what else to do after a late wake up?
Ideally I'm going from this starting tomorrow
WU 7.30
S 12.30-2.30
BT 7.30
Maybe with a little tweaking?
I'm not too sure what to do for the NW's? Just sit next to his cot until he falls asleep? I don't want it to become a habit?
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Have you thought about doing just set nap times instead of looking at A time? Both of my kids around this age seemed to need that set time instead of A time. When we started doing S's nap at 1pm instead of coating A, things settled down a lot. We then capped her naps. Of course, if it's a rough night and she wakes up early or something, I adjust a little bit, but more by 15 minutes or so. It may take you a little bit of time to get to that set nap time, but it may be a good goal and help you worry less about counting hours and such.
As for NW. Are they regular (at the same time each night) or sporadic? Is there teeth involved or hunger? S went through a GS around this time along with teething. We started really working to pack her full of food during the day. For her NW we would settler her, and shh when she'd cry out and then sneak out. Sometimes it meant lying in her room for 10-15 minutes or longer (especially if we fell asleep). It was hard not to just give her a bottle, but in the end she out grew the waking and we didn't cause any more bad habits.
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Neyssa very good point about food too! Our last bout of NW stopped when I put more food out for t.
We have a set nap time too, I guess I mean total A as most toddlers this age will need a min of 10 hours total A a day to have a. Good night sleep. That's a 12 hr night and 2 hr nap (whenever you choose to do the nap etc) I have to wake T in the morning if he sleeps in too much or cap his nap a little if he sleeps in or he fights BT. Both my boys needed help regulating a little YK? - otherwise our days got later and later ::) x
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Eugh :(
NW at 9.30 and would only settle for milk, cried again at 10.15 and I managed to settle after 20 mins of cuddles
OT? We went for 10A today for the first time ???
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Give it 3 days and see how he is, could be SA\developmental or maybe a bit of OT getting used to it...
What did the day look like?
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WU 7.30
A 12.45 - 2.45
BT 7.30
He seemed to cope well and there was no BT battle but the 9.30 NW pretty much lasted for 1.5hr there. I think he's back to sleep properly now. I'm just hoping that's him for the night. My alarm is set for 7.30 tomorrow to try and stick to the new times!
On no I can hear him chatting :(
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Oh he's crying again and I just want to sleep! :'(
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BT battles tonight! Sara is T still having trouble too?
Just had a NW at 10.15pm - screaming! I had to take him downstairs and get medicine and milk. He seems to have settled back down - I'm hoping he stays down but I doubt it :(
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Today looked like
NW 4.20-5.10
WU 8.20
S 1-2.20 (first time in months he has had an short nap ??? )
BT 7.30 after lots of crying
NW 10.15-10.45 ended up giving milk and more meds
I don't know what's going on?!
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Oh Hun I'm sorry. I'm away ATM but be back tonight with some thoughts. Toms a bit all over the map too. How are DS molars? - does medication help at all?
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That's ok. I know you've been away :) how was the concert?
This boy has learned so much this last 2 weeks - he's picked up about 5 or 6 words and numerous noises and games that we play. He's transformed from a baby to a toddler in the space of a week! I don't remember this with L!?
Tonight was the first night he went to bed with no crying :) routine was a bit different. I'm writing it mainly for my own reference
WU: 6.50 (very early for him, usually I have to wake him at 8.30)
S: 11.15-2.40
BT: 6.50/7 (no crying for the first time in weeks!) :)
Will see how the night goes.
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This boy has learned so much this last 2 weeks - he's picked up about 5 or 6 words and numerous noises and games that we play. He's transformed from a baby to a toddler in the space of a week! I don't remember this with L!?
Yes! This is. What I was going to ask/see. I remember with Z and now with T 16 mths was the 'start' of true toddlerhood, and also the start of language - real words and full comprehension YK? We had good and bad periods like 2-3 rough days then maybe 5 good ones. This is what T is doing too. I'm trying to be a wee bit flexible ATM but also consistent YK?
Fx for the night. If you get a long nw it will prob be ut :-\
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Better night - NW at 2.15 and I went in and he kept standing up. I know he didn't eat much last night so might have been hungry so I gave him milk. When I tried to leave the room the first time when he was drinking the milk he cried but I reassured him and then left and he went to sleep fine and slept until 8am :)
I had my alarm set for 7.30 to start the day but I couldn't get up! Oops! Were going to toddlers this morning and he's always really tired after that so I'm hoping he naps 12.45-2.45 and then I'll do bt around 7.30
I can't believe the change in C - he has picked up so much - it's crazy! I'm actually a little sad that my baby has gone now :(
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Aww yeah they grow up fast :-*
That plan looks good. We had a bit of a rubbish nap today and he's had a cry out 45 mins after BT...I think we have molar trouble today ::)
Just keep in mind that his days are really short and that if you keep getting NW, or long chatty ones - and resistance for BT, ew etc that this could be UT
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So this is weird! Yesterday we had
WU 8
S 12.45-2.35
BT 6.40 - he was crying and asking to go to bed from about 5.45 and I was so surprised! The crying and tantrums and tiredness got the better of me and I just put him down. He slept all night? No bt battle and no NW! Ha!
It's very strange! Were defo going to have a longer day today though because he woke at 6.15 and even if he naps 2 hours - I won't put him down before 6.30 or I'll have another really early morning?
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I think it sounds like teeth Hun. Ts been doing a little of this, a few rough days then cu days and nights when he is really sleepy. It's good that he tells you when he is tired though, t goes and goes and goes ::)
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Yeah he climbs on me and cuddles in and sucks his thumb and if I ask him if he's tired he takes me to the stair gate and hopes that I open it and take him to bed! Haha! Even the days where he fights bt, he still asks for bed but doesn't fight it until I put him in his cot.
So after the 6.15 wake up today I went to the gym this morning so we never got back until just before 12, he was asleep for 12, 5.45 is a long A for him so hopefully he naps well.
I agree about the teeth - I rubbed the gum where these canines are coming in and felt a jaggy tooth.
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Poor guy! We had a rough few weeks of one tooth after another which lead to off days. It seems like you're doing everything the best you can! It's so hard when they are hurting and sad, but I love the extra cuddles I get from it.
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Dunno want to do - c always slept until like 7.30/8 and sometimes much later but these last 2 days he's woken at 6.15 and today was 5.50!! I can't function! I'm horribly grumpy and I don't know what to do!?
He can barely manage a 12hr day with a 2hr nap as it is, need mind longer :(
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Hun Dyt he is just used to going down at those times, so seems cranky and tired but then is ew because he actually isn't? :-\ - I'm not saying that's the dad, but could be a possibility?
Otherwise my bet would be teeth! Grrrrrr teeth
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Yeah possibly Sara - May be habit! He was awake at 11.15 last night and then 11.45 and I medicated and he eventually went back to sleep. Then up for the day at 5.50! Back last month I had even resettled at 7am for another hour and he did that fine lol but now there's NO WAY of resettling at 5.50 - he was screaming to get up. Even when he wakes at 7.30/8 he doesn't do that, he's normally happy to chat for a bit!
I'm lost with what to do now today? Is 6 A too long after an EW? Were supposed to be at toddlers so I could keep him up?
WU: 5.50
S: 11.50-2.20/30
BT: 7.30
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IIWM I'd prob still cap the nap at 2 hrs or the ew may persist (you an get into an ut/OT) loop :-\
So try for 12-2 then shoot for BT of 6.30 if you get a good night (and not teething nw) then you know he needs a longer day to have a solid night now YK? - we would get stuck (and still do) with a few good days, a few bad and it was always due to needing a touch more A or later nap. So the good nights etc were the result of tired enough from the short ones - which were from ut iykwim.
Eek sorry am I making sense! (If your. OT happy with 2 hrs nap maybe try 2hrs15) ???
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No I'm good with 2hr - just worried that it wouldn't be enough for a 12.5hr day kwim? Actually I let him sleep 2.5 yesterday because he woke early so that might have also been a problem?
I guess I'm aiming for a 7.30am WU which would be ideal - do you think u should try and aim for bt of 6.30 or try and keep him up until 7?
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Ok good news I guess
12 hour unbroken night with no bt battle :)
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Very good news...sounds like he does need the slightly longer day, and 2 hr nap to now have an unbroken nights sleep you think? - we had to extend Ts day recently from 12 hrs to 12.5 because he was UT at BT and we were having shenanigans and nw ::)
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More for reference than anything else:
Wed
WU 5.50
S 12-1.40
BT 6.30 - STTN until 6.30am :)
Thur
WU 6.30
S 11.50-1.35 (fell asleep in pram, couldn't keep awake any longer and slept whole nap in pram)
BT 7.50 had a cry after he finished his milk and needed more milk to settle so I don't think he slept until about 7.20
NW at 1am but settled with milk, crying out at 5.15am but seems to have settled himself.
Firstly - about the milk? I struggle to settle him at NW's without milk. He just screams and screams :( he doesn't NW all the time but when he does I usually give milk, as an easy option I guess?
Secondly - I've noticed that there's a lot of wildlife around here, we moved here in August but I never noticed it over the winter - the birds are singing away loudly right now and I think that's what has woken him now at 5.15? I've never used white noise before, he's always managed without, is it too late to introduce it?
Also, it's 5.35am now and he's still awake :( I thought he had gone back to sleep bit he's chatting! I have a feeling we will be getting up for the day now :'(
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So he stayed I bed until 6.30 but cries out every 10 minutes or so :( I'm pretty sure he was awake from 5.15!
I put him down at 11.30 and I lost track of time so I'm about to go and lift him now at 2pm.
L has gymnastics 6-7 so we don't get home until 7.15 so it will be 7.30 before he gets to bed. I feel bad but there's nothing I can do I guess.
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Wed looked like a perfect day. He's a bit like Tom in that when the naps a bit shorter the nights are ideal! But with 2+ hr naps the nights are shorter or unsettled ... :-\
So with an under 2 hr nap he does well on a 12 hr day or just over.
With a 2 hr one he prob needs a 12.5-13 hr day. Thurs was prob a bit OT. :-\
The milks a funny one. Personally I resettle T with milk if i can't resettle him in 10 mins or I know I'll give meds ie teeth or sick. It's never been a prop for us, he doesn't wake for milk so I do t care. But, if you want to ditch it then you will likely have a few longer NW as he may expect it when he is unsettled at a NW YK? Wi/WO or just using any other APOP through it will work, but will take time
T has white noise, it's a god send here for us. If you want to try it what about using an iPod on low with some downloaded or a fan?
Give him a Lon nap today if you know he will have a long day
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Today was this:
WU: 5.15ish
S: 11.30-2 (he woke naturally just before I went in and woke very very happy :) )
BT: 7.30 no battles but very tired
I agree about the timings - it's hard! I hope he has a better night tonight. I also agree about the milk - it's not a prop, he never wakes for it but it does really help to settle him. I'm going to stick with it just now.
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That looks good! I would have done the same given you had setish BT with gym. He's prob a bit OT but honestly I think OT is always easier to deal with than Ut ;)
I think on days you can do what works best I'd try a similar day to wed - so go for 12.5 hr days with a 1.5-2 hr nap. (Usually 2hr) and see if things settle. ;) what do you think?
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I agree - 7am - 7.30pm with a 2hr nap will hopefully work. I just hope we can settle into routine. I hate it being so unpredictable!
Thanks so much for your help hun, I really appreciate it :)
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No prob...you've helped me work out T as well in the process :-*