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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: linny75 on December 17, 2014, 07:58:06 am
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My DD is going through the 2-1 transition. Last night she had EBT of 5.30 and woke at 6am, a lovely stretch! Do I stretch her out to midday nap as she has had this amount of night sleep?
Thanks!
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Personally I would stretch the A time a little more after that great night sleep. What easy are you working on atm? Might be easier to advise. Great you're embracing the EBT though and that she tacks on, brilliant news!
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Her EASY is a bit inconsistent at the mo, sometimes doing one nap, other days doing 2 naps. Strangely this morning, she seemed so tired at 10am, constantly yawning and rubbing her eyes, I put her down for a nap and she slept 1.5 hr. She then had a very short catnap 3.30-3.45, and asleep for the night at 6.45. I thought she might have lasted more than 4hrs after having a 12.5 hr night. So at the mo I can't seem to get one nap consistently which is making her easy inconsistent
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I'm trying to get her to a 7-7 easy, so nap at midday for a couple hrs, but it's not quite happening! She started taking waking earlier with 2 good naps, and taking longer to fall asleep at bedtime hence thinking she is starting the 2-1 transition?
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Sounds about right hun, it'll be good to take a note of the total hrs sleep she's having in a 24hr period. That'll help with the transition whilst everything is a bit wonky. 2 nap days are inevitable during the transition so they can have an opportunity to catch up. A good thing to remember might be if she wakes earlier than say 6.30, do a two nap day. At a 7am wu you could try for a one nap day. It really is trial and error until you can find what works best for her. For example my DD has always preferred a longer A in the morning, so it took me a little while to keeping pushing that first A so that we could get a decent nap and the A to BT wasn't too long causing OT NW's in the early part of the night. Took me a good couple of weeks to figure out the right A time for her x
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She slept 6.30 and woke 5.30 this morning. Do you think I should do a 2 nap day today?
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Yes I would to try and get to a reasonable BT, what you did before sounds good x
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Hi, it's me again. I'm still really struggling with this. I can't get her to sleep any later than 6am whether I so 2 naps or 1 nap. She has stopped embracing EBT and waking up after 10.5 hrs night sleep. Yesterday she woke at 5.10. I decided to stretch her out til 11.30 nap and she slept for 2.15 hr. She was on her cot for 6.50pm but didn't fall asleep til 7.40 and woke screaming this morning at 5.34. I didn't get her up straight away but kept going in saying night night and walking out. It's 7am now and she still hasn't fallen back asleep so I think I will get her up for the day. This has been happening since your last reply. I am just thinking whether the chopping and changing between 1 and 2 naps is causing this and whether I should just consistently go for 1 nap whatever time she wakes? I'm so tired, really need help. I'm going through a miscarriage at present which is making my tiredness worse. X
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Hello Honey, popping in to support Kelly as maybe she is still Xmassing:).
Have you mentioned earlier how old is your LO? I might missed that.
With 2-1 transition it sometimes happens that they are ready for 1 nap at some period of time and than they go back to 2 naps for a while. It might be connected to their new abilities to crawl/cruise/walk - they just get much more tired:)! Btw I am also going through 2-1 with my LSN 10mo...! And he just started crawling so is very tired!
Right now your DD looks a bit OT (10,5h nights) but she seems to catch up nicely on her naps which is also good. You may try to help her to overcome it by doing even earlier EBT or try to ditch a 5-10min catnap somewhere around 4-5pm. On the day she had her 2:15 nap (woke at 13:45...?) how she behaved at 6:40 when you put her down? It was 13h+ after her wakeup so despite short A till BT she could be OT.
And Kelly asked already but how much was she sleeping before transition? I am asking as for my boy it is 11,5-12h night but only maks to 2h of day time sleep.
Being on your place I would go for:
- always push for 1 nap day with long first A
- set BT of 6/6:30pm not later (as she is waking before 6 right now, than you may slightly push it back to 6:30/7:00) if nap was around 2h
- if you see that she is very tired in the afternoon try to offer a catnap of 5-10min (sometimes and with some kids almost impossible but my DS will take it if not offered to late as after 4pm he is not settling well)
- if the nap was crap I would offer really EBT but it's always tricky if you don't know what time to put her down; when you say she stopped embracing EBT does it mean she fights it or she goes to sleep easily but wake after 10,5h?
Btw - does she have any NW?
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Hi there
Thanks for relying! She just turned one couple if weeks ago.
She used to average a good 13.5/14 hr total sleep when she was on 2 naps. 11 hrs at night and 2 x 1.5hr naps. She then started the 2-1 transition and her sleep is deteriorating. I had one occasion when I put her to bed 5.30 and she woke 6am but since, with EBT she sleeps for 10/10.5 hrs . She always goes to bed easily, that is no bedtime struggles even if it takes a while for her to fall asleep there's no screaming she moans and groans/talks to herself til she falls asleep. Like last night. This morning I put her for her nap at 10.35, as she was sooo tired and grumpy after a 10hr night and she slept 1.45. She rarely has any night awakenings , has on occasions, but I've never really had to go in a resettle, she resettles herself.
I think you might be right about her having too long a day. So tonight do you think I should put her to bed 5.30, as she woke 5.34?
Xx
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Oh forgot to answer your question about how she behaved last night when she had a 2.15 nap and was in her cot at 6.45. She seemed fine, a little tired as she was yawning x
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EBT at 5:30 could be an option if it's still possible for you (it's 7pm here:D) but even with 12h night you are stuck to 5:30am WU. So my plan would be to go for 5:30 today and if she does 11,5-12h night I would push the morning A up to 5,5h at least (so you have 1:45-2:00 nap) and than aim for 4,5h till BT. I would go with this routine as she seems to be liking shorter A till BT so she doesn't get OT and is coping well with catching up on naps (1:45 after 10,5h night and 5h A!).
Regarding her being tired... It will happen with this transition especially signs are seen in the morning in my opinion. I would try to be consistent and go for a stick routine. When she is tired, try some low activity - me and DS if he is very tired go for a walk in the stroller or I just walk with him around the house and give him a while so he "rests".
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I had to put here to bed at 5 in the end, she was so tired and grumpy that she wouldn't even eat a lot of her dinner! I'm hoping she will at least give me a 12 hr night. If she does, do I put her for nap at 10.30? Assuming she takes a 2 hr nap, that would be 12.30 wake, then if I do a 4/5 hr to BT, she'll be going to bed 5/5.30 again? I wouldn't want her to get into this cycle though. X
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Let's see what happens. She had 11,5h day and 1:45 nap so let's see when she wakes.
If she wakes after 10-10,5h, it will be MOTN so just treat as NW and try to make her to go back to sleep. If she does 11,5+ I would stretch her morning A to 5,5h and afternoon one to 4,5h at least. It means that you are working on 12h night, 10h of A and 2h nap which is 14h of sleep for 24h. You cannot count on more according to what she was doing before.
I know that this might be difficult but I would firstly try to have a working routine even 5-5 with 11-12h nights and than try to switch - if you still want to work on one nap.
Another option I would consider is accepting that she is not yet ready for a full one nap routine and maybe offer a morning catnap of 5-15min and later midday nap so she is not so OT. Kelly will probably pop in soon but she told me that was her routine in transition period, and I am also probably going to try that with my DS.
So something like this:
5am wakeup
7/7:30 nap for 15min
11:30-1/1:30pm nap (or any other time - you have to get a decent sleep here)
6pm BT the latest
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With the other option you mentioned, do you mean offer her a 15min catnap at 7/7.30 even though age has just done a 12hr night? I'm just wondering if she would be tired enough to take it
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It's just an option, some LOs will go with that solution. Mine with 7am WU is going for (already UT) nap at 11:30 but at 9:00 he looks like he would dream of a short nap:). You may also APOP in a pram or car seat.
But as I said, it's just an option and depends on your LO and how you think she will manage it.
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She woke at 5.32 this morning so a good 12.5hr stretch! Woo! What time do you think I should put her down for her first nap? Assuming she takes 1.5/2 hr nap, what time shpuld bedtime be? I really appreciate you taking the time to help, thanks so much x
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Hi, I'm back! So sorry, my internet has been down for two days. Thanks so, so much Martii xx
A 12hr night is great, I personally wouldn't try a CN today unless you are wanting to move the whole day forwards and get to a decent BT. Just like Martii said earlier really, or else you could try one nap and keep to a 12 hr day max. If you wanted to do one nap, perhaps try around 11am with a 5.30 wu? If not, maybe try a CN at around 8.30 for 15mins and see if you can get her to 12.30 for a nap. If she sleeps 1.5-2hrs for her second nap, you could then do BT at around 6.30/6.45? Up to you really hun, could try for the CN and if that fails try the one nap?
Let us know how it goes and please accept my apologies for being AWOL xx
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No problem Kelly! Happy to help here as we are going through the same with DS now...
Totally agree with Kelly's advice of either one nap at 11 or two nap day with short catnap in the morning.
If you decide to go for second option, I am thinking if you shouldn't do something more to discourage dd from waking at 5:30. Have you thought of w2s? I start to think that maybe this waking is partially habitual now so except from a good routine, you could do that. I imagine that w2s at 4:30 will be difficult but... Maybe it will help..? Kelly, WDYT?
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Hi Kelly!
Ideally I'd like to get her back to a bedtime closer to 7, as I have a 4 year old who has his tea around ( and she used to have it with him). Some questions if you don't mind :
- if I went for 5.30 bedtime ( so one nap and 12 hr day max), how long would this 5/5.30-5/5.30 day go on for?
- if I went for a one nap, do you think doing a nap at 11-1, then bedtime at 6 would work, or pushing even further, 11.30-1.30 nap, bedtime at 6.30? Her day would be longer than 12hrs though.
- if I did 2 catnaps, is there a particular reason you recommend doing the catnap in the morning rather than late afternoon (say after 10.30-12.30 nap)?
Thanks so much kelly
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Thanks Martii, I did also think about W2S but her wake up hasn't been 5.30 consistently, it's sometimes 20 min earlier, sometimes 10min later x
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Sorry I didn't finish sentence saying my 4 year old has tea around 5.30 (sometimes 6).
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And sorry I meant, if I did 1 catnap!
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Two ways really hun. You could stick with the set nap and BT ie the 11am nap and 5.30 BT, but I think you'd have to give it a good while for her,to get used to it. Perhaps 2 weeks or so? Then You could look at shifting the day like we do with daylight savings, so pushing the nap and BT back by 15mins every 3 days or so. Again, that might take another week or so to get to the times you want.
Otherwise, if you feel she could go a bit longer this morning after the 12hr night, you could try and push to 11.30 for the nap then if the nap is decent, 6pm BT.
The second option of the CN. I used to do the pm CN during the transition, however further down it, you are more than likely going to get a pm CN refusal and therefore too lomg of an A to BT (even with an EBT) and probably make your emw worse. That's the problem there really. For us, when she used to wake at 5.30 and I wanted to shift the day on, I did what I said earlier so one CN early in the am to get her as close to her usual one nap time as possible and hope for a decent nap length. For me, the idea that the CN used to make up for the emw, then I could push the A time back to her normal nap time to be consistent.
Wrt the w2s. I love it, made my life much better when we were dealing with short naps. However I've never used it for emw. It's a really difficult one to get right as they're coming into light sleep early in the morning and there is more of a chance she'll wake up at that time completely. That being said, many have found it really useful for dealing with emw, but for us it was either a sign the nap needed to be pushed out or teething so no amount of w2s was going to work. You could try and see though but only when you get to a later BT as after 11hrs sleep, I'd doubt it'll help her sleep longer.
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Yes, that's my idea. I wouldn't try w2s if you put her down at 5:30pm as expecting more than 12h night sleep wouldn't be realistic. However you wrote that you were doing some two nap days and BT was later and she still woke up at 5/5:30am. So if you manage (no matter how) to put her down around 6:30 or later, I would additionally try w2s after 9,5h of sleep, hoping it will help you to go thru dreadful 5:30 am WU.
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Now I'm not sure what to do. I put her down for 11, she fell asleep within minutes but woke 12.10 crying. I have been up once to shush her and it's 12.26 she hasn't fallen asleep.
What should I do now?
Xx
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Did she go back to sleep hun? If not, I might be tempted to try a CN around 4.30 for 15mins? More than likely she'll refuse it, but I did find the quiet time helped?
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No she hasn't yet, she isn't crying, just is talking to herself then going quiet, talking to herself then going quiet etc. So I have left her in case she might be self settling. Do you think I should get her up now?
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I am going to get her up. If she does take a catnap at 4.30 what time should I make BT. What time if she doesn't take the CN?
Xx
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Yep, I'd get her up. She could've been a tad UT then. Good to know! Maybe after a 12-hr night in future we should be looking at 5hrs 15/30 A before her nap?
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I'd go back to your 5.30pm BT if she doesn't take the CN
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Yeah I think she was a little undertired although she did keep rubbing her eyes about 10.30. What time should BT be if she does take a catnap? X
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You could probably push it a little to see if she gets back to a nicer wu. It might even be worth trying a w2s as Martii suggested too to get her over the 5.30 wu just in case it's habitual?
So if you're waking her up at 4.45 after 15mins, I'd look at a 6.45 BT and see how she does?
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I just realised she did 5 and half hrs A time after her 5.30 wake up (after a 12 and half hr night). So do you mean if she does a 12 hr night to stick to 5 and half hr morning A time?
Ok I will try catnap 4.30-4.45 and wake to sleep. If she doesn't take the catnap I'm not sure how I can fit in tea, bath, milk , story and bed between 4.45-5.30 though. I would think tea at 4/4.15 would be too early?
Xx
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She had 5,5h if I am correct so if you get UT nap here - woow:)! But maybe this 12,5h night was so restorative for her that she can bear more so 6h...?
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I know I'm actually wondering if it is UT, as she woke crying. If she had enough sleep she usually wakes quite happy. Her A time has never been on the high side either.
I ended up putting her for a nap at 3 as she seemed so tired. She fell asleep 3.15, and waking her now after 20min (I thought she would need the extra 5mins after having her catnap earlier).
X
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Finger crossed for good BT and nice night sleep.
Remember Honey that's you who knows the best your dd and it's you who can assess the best what she needs.
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ITA with Martii, you know your LO best. That's excellent she had a CN. Mine would've refused it at this stage in the game! Fx for a good night
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I hope so, she was in her cot 6.45, it's 7.11 now and she hasn't quite fallen asleep yet but I think it will be in the next few minutes x
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Btw Kelly - LO is slightly over 1yo, shouldn't weave the thread to toddler sleep:)?
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Hi ladies, not great afraid. She woke at about 4.30 for about 15 mins (couldn't even do wake to sleep), then was in and out of making noise til 5.30 (I didn't go in during time as she was crying, donor sure she even slept between this time). It's 6.24 now and despite several attempts to get her back to sleep she still hasn't fallen back asleep.
So so tired!
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I got her up at 7 in the end. I think she is really OT. Maybe I should just go back to a shorter A time , 4/4.5 hrs, which is what she was doing before she started the 2-1 transition and start again from there. What do you think, is this completely the wrong direction? X
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You could do and see if she catches up if you think OT. Always worth a go x
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Hi Ladies
Back again! Since your reply Kelly, DD developed a horrible cold and cough so her sleep has been completely ruined with NW and EW. I've just kept her going by giving her as many naps as she needed to get through the day. Because of her cough she has been napping 45min so I she would have 3 naps a day. She is on the mend now as of yesterday morning and I'm not sure where to go from here. She has been waking at 5.43 for past 4 nights. Yesterday I pushed her nap to 11.15 (after a 7.10-5.43 night ), and she slept til 1.37, so I kept bedtime at normal decent time of 6.45pm. However she didn't fall asleep until 8pm ! (she was just talking to herself with the occasional screechy yell. She woke at 5.43 this morning so a terrible night of less than 10hrs. What should I do with her naps today? Please help!
Xx
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She finally fell asleep at 7.30 after talking to herself and me going into her when she yelled. How long should I let her sleep for and when should I put her down for her last nap?
Xx
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She woke at 8.20. I'm thinking nap at 12 or is this too early? She does still seen tired
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I think that will be too early hun. I might be tempted to push it so see if she can have a nice restorative nap. Maybe 1pm? Technically she's already had one nap already so if the next one is too early she might refuse another one later on leaving you with a long A to BT x
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She is really grumpy, constantly yawning and rubbing her eyes and seems ready to nap now. Should I just push her to 12 or 1?
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And another question- why do you think it took so long for her to fall asleep last night having had a good 2.15/2.50 he nap til 1.37? (and was in cot at 6.45)? Is this OT?
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Sorry I meant 2.15/2.30 (2 and half hr) nap
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Has she always preferred a longer A to BT? That might be the key here, figuring out which way she likes it. If that's the case, she may have been slightly UT, but that's still 5hrs A. I'm betting as she's been a little off colour that she may have been a little OT, but unfortunately we won't be able to figure that out until she's completely well again and settles into a more stable routine.
Up to you about the nap hun, personally I would push it as I said earlier, she might refuse a nap later on leaving you with a very long A to bed. Trust your mummy instincts, you know her best x
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I don't even know what her A time is anymore. Before she started the 2-1 transition about month and half ago it was about 3.5/4 hrs. Since things have been so inconsistent and with illnesses it has thrown everything haywire. This is so hard!
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I ended up putting her down for her nap at 10.30 as she was literally falling asleep in my arms. She woke at 11.20 coughing and wouldn't go back to sleep. I'm thinking about doing a super early bedtime of 4.30 rather than a catnap as recently even with a 15min catnap she is taking too long to fall asleep when I put her disk for 6.45.
Is 4.30 way too early?? The earliest I have put her to bed is 5 and she slept right through to 6.
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Sorry a little late.. What did you do? I've never done that early of a BT I think 5.30pm was our earliest x
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She had a 50min nap from about 2.45- 3.35. She was in her cot at 5.45, and fell asleep within 5 mins. What a tired girlie! If I did wake to sleep to try get her past her 5.43 waking, could it work?
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Don't think so hun as that'll be a 12 hr night. If she does get to that though, it might be worth seeing if you can push the A time slightly tomorrow. Fx for a good night for you x
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Ok thank you! If she gets up anytime between 5.30-6, should I push A to 11.30 or 12?
Thanks so much for all your advice so far, it's great to have a helping hand
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That's ok hun, that's what we're here for. I would push to 12 especially after a 12-hr night, but let's see how she does ok? We may find she won't want to go past 11.30, I have a feeling she may like a shorter first A and longer last A...but time will tell x
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Just a question- if I am aiming for a 7-7 day with a 'long delicious 2 hr nap' at midday (as Tracey puts it), how can this be a achieved if she is doing 5+ hrs A?
Is it that when things stabilise and getting up closer to 7, she would go down to 5 A time each way?
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Oh I love how Tracy put it! It took me quite a while to find the right balance for my DD. I tried 5hrs each way but ended up with an UT nap and OT before BT. I think I played around with it for around a month until I found the right times for us. In the end we did 6hrs first A then 4.5hrs with a 2hr nap.
Tracy said that it's hard to get to one nap until they get up at 7. Tbh this never worked for us or many other people as their days run earlier or later dependant on lifestyle. I got so fed up with the EW that I just pushed to set nap and BT and it really helped stabilise things out for us eventually. Especially once I learned that 5hrs A before BT was too much for mine, the A first thing for us didn't really matter as long as it was over 5.75hrs. She was very good at coping with OT first thing, just not last thing at night. I think it just takes a lot of trial and error to see which way round it suits your LO. Many bubbas don't fit into the 5hrs either side I'm afraid. Actually I don't think I've seen one yet!
Do you want to have a read through the set nap/BT link? It'll be totally up to you, but it really took the guess work out of it for me. Set naps for toddlers: Why, How and When
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Thanks I will take a look. What age sis your little one settle to 1 nap consistently? X
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Around 11mo by the time I got the A time right hun. We were on one nap from 10mths I think. How did the night go?
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It wasn't too bad. She had a NW for about half hr between 2.50 and 3.20 am but I didn't need to go into her as she was just moaning and groaning. Then a very brief one about 4.30. Again she resettled herself. She woke properly at 6.48. Do I count that as a proper 12 hr night? I'm thinking I should put her down for nap about 11.45, to give her a shorter morning A and longer pm A. What do you think? X
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Hats better than A 12-hr night! Yay! That sounds like a very good plan, let me know how it goes ok? Today will be a very good starting point to find out what she likes A wise I think x
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My husband gave her lunch ad put her down for nap as I had apt at the hospital. I did say for her to be in cot by 11.45, but she was in her cot at midday and fell asleep by 5-10 past. She woke 1.55 (a bit grumpy mind you). So I'm thinking in bed 6.45, give her 10-15 min to fall asleep? I guess then I will know if she needs longer than 5hr pm A? Do you think I should do wake to sleep in anticipation that she might wake 5.43am tomorrow? X
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That was a great nap. Well done DH! BT sounds good. I probably wouldn't do the w2s as she hasn't woken at that time for a few days has she?
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It was only last night she didn't wake at 5.43 x
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Haha, I would go for W2S at 4:45, but I guess it's your choice honey. We can only advice and it's your decision and your call what to do. Whatever you decide, we are both fine with it and will be working further to help you!
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That is funny isn't it? I suppose it's because I've never done it for night sleep. But I am the queen of w2s for naps! Think I did it for 2 months?! As Martii said, do what you think hun x
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I usually go to the loo once in the night after 3am so can try tie it in with that. Will let you know how it goes. She was in her cot by 18.45 and it's 18.53 now and no sound from here. So today looks like 5 hrs pm A time was good for her x
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We'll see how she does in the early part of the night. Keep an ear out for any OT WU's in the first 2hrs. Then we'll know for sure x
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Until 7.30 I could hear on and off noises which wasn't her being awake and vocal, which she usually does if she isn't asleep. I'm not entirely sure what it was as I didn't go in to check but I think it might have been her sucking her thumb and falling asleep. She does suck her thumb to sleep but I don't usually hear this kind of noise. I'm thinking it might be because she is a bit snuffly from her cold. 7.30 the noise stopped so do I count it as 7.30 she finally fell asleep? Or she was sleeping at 7 sucking her thumb? X
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So last night was not good. She had 4 NW which is unusual for her. I'm not sure if it's OT or teething- she does have 2 teeth trying to pop it's way out (either side of the top front). I gave her calpol about 10pm (her first NW) she settled but woke again a few hours later.
I don't know what to do with her naps today- keep going with 1 set nap - 15 mins?
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I would power through and see how she does, yep you can put her down 15mins earlier that's fine. I would count 7pm as her going to sleep time. I know what you mean about those noises. dd does that too. It's slightly louder if she's a bit sniffly from teething or a cold.
How annoying about those NW's. If it is teeth there's not much you can do but medicate. Ibuprofen works best. If it's any consolation we've got it here too with canines still. They're taking forever!
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Thanks Kelly. She went down for a nap 11.30 and still asleep now 13.15. I have a question about room temperature and what she should wear as I'm thinking maybe she has been too hit at night. We live in a Victorian house and her room get really quite cold at night, below 14C (last night it was about 12-13C). I've been putting a vest, thick fleece sleepsuit and 3.5tog. The grobag website says for temp under 14C, to wear sleepsuit/grobag, vest and 3.5tog grobag. I've been putting her in thick fleece sleepsuit as 12-13C is pretty cold! I wear fleece pyjamas and 2 t-shirts with a very thick duvet and I don't feel too hot so I gathered her thick fleece sleepsuit would be ok.
Firstly do you think it would be better to put an electric heater in her room or use appropriate clothing to keep her warm enough? I've been reluctant to use heater as it really dries up the air doesn't it and can make a cough worse. We have the heating on during the day so it's not as cold as that in her room for her nap.
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Oh poor you, that is chilly isn't it? I always thought the recommendations were a little on the light side, but I'm a cold person! My DD however seems to be a warm one like DH. So when she goes to bed, the house is around 21c and gets down to around 18c, sometimes colder and we just have her in pjs and a 2.5tog bag and she seems fine.
I wouldn't use a heater as you said, it dries the air out. I would've thought what you're doing is what I would dress DD in. I would check on her during the night tonight by trying to feel her back under the clothes if you can without disturbing her. Do remember body temperature drops when sleeping.
On the plus side, this nap time is looking good. What time did she wake this morning in the end?
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She woke at 1.30 so 2 hr nap. She woke up with really hot red cheeks (and this morning as well). And I noticed one of her tooth has broken through! So maybe that was the reason with the NWs last night . I will medicate with ibuprofen tonight as the other one looks ready to burst through. I'm thinking bedtime in cot by 6.30 or should I leave it to 6.45/7?
At night she is easily disturbed but I will try check her back tonight. I think I will just put her in a thinner fleece tonight. If she feels cold I can add a blanket. X
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That's a good idea. Tbh it has been something that has bugged me since having a LO, that I didn't know exactly what to dress her in at night! They can get a bit of a raised temperature with teething too. Elevating the mattress has helped slightly here too. I just put a couple of beach towels under one end of DD's mattress.
I think 6.30pm sounds good. That'll give her the chance to wind down and perhaps be off to sleep by 6.45/7 then. I think we can safely say the NW's are due to teething, phew. Good to know we're on the right track. I still think we'll need to do some more tweaking but she's got to feel better after a nice 2-hr nap instead of all those little ones.
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In her cot by 6.30 and she fell asleep easily by 6.45. Keeping my fingers crossed for a good night! X
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Fab. Fx here for you too x
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And how it went:)?
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I'm at a bit of a lost now! She slept soundly from 6.45-1.10 when she woke crying. I left her for a bit to see if she would resettle but didn't so went into her about 1.30 assuming it might be her teeth again so gave her another dose of ibuprofen as it would have been her 2nd dose in less than 24 hrs. She settled and went back to sleep til about 5.10, but woke crying again and she has been in and out of making noise since then (it's. 7.05 now). I don't know if she has had any sleep since the 5.10 waking as it would go quiet for varying amounts of time and then she would make groaning noises. What's going on ladies, please help! Xx
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It's 7.10 now as she isn't asleep so I think I will get her up. What would you recommend I do today? X
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I still think teeth hun, molars can be quite sore for them. I'm presuming she has slept from 5.10 as she wouldn't have stayed in bed all that time without getting fed up and wanting out. Due to the disturbed night though I wouldn't push the nap time too much past 11.30am again. Wdyt? She might get a little grizzly but a change of scenery will help.
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I think I know why she was so unsettled. I found 2 semi-dry bogies blocking both nasal passages! Not something I noticed when I went in to her in the dark! So it might have developed after that time and she found it hard to sleep properly breathing through her nose. I will hold her out til 11.15/11.30 but I am worried about cumulative OT which could make things worse? Any experience with this? Xx
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Sorry I meant 'found it hard to sleep breathing through her mouth'
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I don't think you'll have an issue with cumulative OT hun. As long as she's napping well. There's more likely to be a problem with too many short naps during the day. I would try and hold out to 11.30 as 11.15 is going a little bit the wrong way. I think ideally we need to get her closer to 12 eventually. See where I'm going with this?
Oh and that definitely can have an impact on her sleep. Bubbas breathe through their nose as they haven't picked up the bad habit of breathing through their mouths like adults. Especially as she's a thumb sucker too. You weren't to know hun, tbh if you turned on the light to see that would've made it harder to get back to sleep in the middle of the night anyway x
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Ok sure I will keep her going to be in her cot by 11.20, so hopefully she will be asleep by 11.30. Gosh 2 more hours, she's so tired already. I'm feeling really crampy today (last bit of clots to come out yet), but I will soldier one. I was thinking maybe take her out in the buggy but she will more likely fall asleep so will keep her entertained at home. Luckily my 4 year old started back at preschool this morning so I don't have 2 to entertain this morning xx
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Sorry Kelly, it's 9.49 and I had to put her down. Not ideal i know! I just couldn't hold her out any longer, she was literally falling asleep in her high chair trying to eat a snack. She is absolutely exhausted. I think depending on what time she gets up I should either do a late afternoon catnap or early bedtime? Xx
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Don't worry hun, she might be more tired from all this teething. Is she still sleeping? If not, I'd try a CN later on for 15mins max, if she is still sleeping you could go for EBT x
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She just woke up 11.44, so about 5min shy of 2 hrs. Do you think ebt of 5 or catnap of 15min at 4.30?
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Erm not too sure tbh, I would try for a CN then if she refuses do EBT. She was obviously shattered though!!
For future, would you consider doing a quick 10-15mins CN at say 9.15am if you think she won't make it to her usual nap time? This is what I used to do with DD when we were further down the transition. Then it could see her through until close to her usual nap time or a little later. Say 12pm. Wdyt? It just helped me with the consistency but it's totally up to you.
When we started the transition I could never do short am/long pm, but what I said above did help us here and there when we were mostly on one nap.
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Sure I can try that. But does it solve the EW problem, although only 15 min nap, it's still a nap in the morning? Xx
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Yes and no. I would only do it if you really feel she's not going to make it. So not more than say twice a week if possible. Also, the fact you're not letting her sleep too long too early in the morning will hopefully convince her to go back to sleep in the early hours. Might work better than a nice long nap at 10am then there's too much of a possibility of her refusing the pm CN leaving a long A to BT. That for me is far worse for EW and NW!
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Hi Kelly, keeping you updated. She had a short 10-15 min catnap at 4.15-4.30. Although I she was in her cot by 6.30 she didn't fall asleep til 7.15, but that's still decent I guess. Please let her give me a good night tonight! X
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I'm not surprised she didn't fall asleep until then, still a good BT though. Hoping for a good wu tomorrow am for you x
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Hi Kelly
So DD NW is still happening. Last night she was asleep by 6.45 and woke 11.45 screaming and didn't properly settle and fall back asleep til 1. She woke twice again after. I have her ibuprofen before bed but didn't want to give it again only 5 hrs later. Ibuprofen doesn't seem to be working I'm not even sure it's teething pain anymore. WDYT? Teething or something else?
The past 2 mornings (including thus morning) she has had her nap 11.30 for 1.45/2 hrs.
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How many nights you have these NW already?
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About 4 nights x
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I count anything up to 5/8 nights a temporary shenanigans - which can happen because of teeth or illness. I observe routine, but generally I try not to make any big changes too quickly. I don't know how long it will be for molars or canines to cut through (maybe longer than incisors) but I wouldn't panic yet. Btw for us meds weren't also helping... Being honest, nothing helped...:P.