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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: LovelyLilyandJack on February 02, 2015, 09:18:41 am
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I should be OK with this - it was pretty easy with Lily, but Jack isn't going to make things simple for me I don't think....
I need to start capping Jack's nap (he's self relgulated until now), and possibly play about with BT I think. With Lily she just refused her nap sometimes and we just went with the flow, but Jack will take a nap if it's offered, so I think I need a plan with regard to how much to let him sleep etc.
He already has 2 NNDs in a row on Mondays and Tuesdays while he's at nursery. We had been letting him sleep uncapped the rest of the week to combat any OT, but the last 2 weeks he's had a short nights and woken at 5.30, even on a Wednesday night / Thursday morning. Then, as the week's gone on, WU has gotten even earlier, to 4am at it's worst. I've tried capping his nap at 1 hr and it's not helped, but yesterday he had a short nap and then accidentally had a late night and he went back to doing almost 11 hrs. So I'm thinking I need to cap a bit more.
Here's what he was doing:
WU: Originally 6-6.30, but the last 2 weeks it's been 5.30, or chatting & dozing from 4.30-6.15ish
Nap: Normally around 12.45. Earlier on a Wednesday and later by the end of the week as he was shortening his nap as he caught up after NNDs, so we'd push it back to 1pm. The last 2 weeks he's taken longer naps if we let him cos he's doing shorter nights. A long uncapped nap for him is 1hr 20. A normal uncapped nap with no NNDs in the mix is 35-50 minutes.
BT: 7pm. Used to go straight to sleep, now generally chats til 7.30 / 7.45.
Here's what he did yesterday:
WU: 4.30, chatted til 5.45, then slept til 6.25 I think.
Nap: 12.50 - 1.30/1.35. Chatted at 1.30 and then went back to sleep, so I did have to wake him in the end.
BT: 7.45 in bed and straight to sleep. Slept til 6.35am, with one murmur at 5.35.
So I think I need to cap at 40/45 minutes, but what should I do about BT? And what should I do on Wednesdays after his 2 NNDs? Leaving him to sleep uncapped (normally 1hr 20) gives us an EW on Thursday. Should I cap at an hour? Or do 45 minutes that day as well?
TIA :)
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We are a few months behind you yet and have had a lot of sickness resulting in loads more sleep (was really odd!). E is also the type to take a nap if offered, so both myself and daycare have to cap. I have noticed daycare is pushing her nap out (she does 1 hr there) so they may need to dial that back as now she seems better (knock on wood!). Personally I would keep wed nap to 45 min and see how it goes. Bedtime here is a set time, and no matter what kind of ew or nap it is darn near impossible to get her happily in bed before 8 pm.
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Yes, I find it really odd when Jack sleeps like a normal child too. It never lasts though ;)
Thanks for the advice re: nap length on a Wednesday. I was wondering whether to do a later BT on nap days, since he seemed to do better on a shorter nap and later BT yesterday, but guess I can do one change at a time and go from there. His bedtime used to be 7.30 but I found a while ago he did better with a 7pm bedtime - I think it suits his natural rhythm better - so I'm reluctant to change it if I can play about with naps instead. If capping at 45 minutes alone doesn't work, I guess I could then try a later BT on the days he does nap. On NNDs we do a slightly EBT of 6.40/6.45 and that seems to be enough for him, so he could probably easily handle a slightly later BT on nap days.
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Yeah E's natural rhythm calls for an 8 pm bedtime! Handy though as it works with the older kids schedules. Lol, yeah the "normal" is bound to end soon! If he can make it to 6:45 on a NND I would be tempted to keep bedtime the same on a nap day. Would he tell you if asked if he is tired? We now allow E to have some control over her nap and bed time in that I ask if she is ready for night night and if she is she will head to her room. If she says no I give her 5-10 more min and ask again....to a point!
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Jack will say he's sleepy if I ask him, but then says he doesn't want to go to bed, so I don't think he's reliable...!
Good stuff, will go for a week of capped naps and 7pm bedtime and let you know how we get on x
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Oh my goodness, he woke at 5am. I've been trying to resettle him for over 2 hrs and it's not happening. I'm assuming he's OT from 2 NNDs (though he always used to handle them fine). He had a late night Sunday night as well, come to think of it. What now? If he's OT surely capping his nap isn't a good idea? Shall I do an early uncapped one today and then cap tomorrow, even if he EWs again?
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I found with DS (similarly EWing nightmare) that the only way to do it was just to push through no matter what time he woke. Keep him busy, preferably wear him out physically and then put down a little early (like 15 mins). That way he would sometimes tack on into his morning sleep and catch up.
We had complete nap refusal once he started NNDs, but I could AP a nap by letting him watch a DVD and cuddle on the sofa after lunch. If he needed to sleep, he normally went off quite quickly, and if not then he'd had a rest at least. Would this work for you? Change of tactics maybe?
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I have only gotten away with early, uncapped naps when she is not feeling well! What did you end up doing?
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I don't know, I've left it with my husband who's looking after him today. I just said if he was visibly tired at 10ish to do an early long nap at 12.30 or something, and if he seemed ok to cap it. I said to have him awake by 2ish, whatever. So we'll see. Definitely capping tomorrow - I'll update later with news of what my husband did and how the night went....
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Well, my husband put him down early and he slept for 45 minutes (woke by himself) at 12.25 - 1.10 I think. Apparently he was very happy when he woke. BT was at 7. Again, he was happy right up til bedtime. But then he woke at 4.30am, chatted for 50 minutes, slept I think for 35 (5.20 - 5.55) chatted til I got him up at 6.50.
What do you think is going on? I thought I might try 45 minutes again today, but at 1pm instead. What do you think?
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He is getting close to his birthday...dyt it could be a developmental leap or growth spurt at play? Language explosion? I am waiting for that to happen with E, so far she does not talk much but then with M & S around it is hard to get a word in ;).
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Actually I wrote a post yesterday saying I thought it could be developmental cos he had a similar phase around one, and also around 17-19 months. But I lost the post. Developmental stuff definitely affects his sleep, whereas it didn't affect lily.
In that case, do you think I should carry on trying to cap? He was happy enough being woken today but I guess we'll see what tonight brings...
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Tbh I am never sure re capping! Some days I wake E up and then think sheesh, you needed more sleep :P. Yesterday I got smart and set her white noise on a timer and figured if she woke when it turned off then that was it and if she kept sleeping I would let her go 15 min before opening her door and turning the hall light on. I set it for 45 min I think, she slept past it for another 20 or so! She woke at a normal time today so must have been what she needed.
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That's how I wake jack - by turning off his white noise. But he always wakes straight away :-\ We'll see how tonight goes.
If I leave him to sleep uncapped he doesn't sleep that long past 45 minutes anyway if I pd before 1pm. It's only after that that he sleeps longer, and even then, only since he started EWing. I don't know. I guess I'll just have to try a few things out. Not sure what to try next though :P
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I'm not sure what to suggest either! These LSN kids are a puzzle to me sometimes. We haven't had a NND yet but we have been darn close, not sure what will happen then.
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Well last night went better, so I guess a later capped nap helped. He cried out at 4.05 and 4.40 and possibly murmured at 5ish but otherwise slept til 6.15 :) So I'll try the same today. I wonder if I need to cap a bit more still, but I'll see how today / tonight goes first.
And yes, I find the whole LSN thing hard work sometimes. J seems so sensitive to even a little bit too much day sleep at times, and then will have phases where it doesn't matter so much. I'll be glad when the nap is gone tbh, and it's not a factor any more. Not long now I reckon....
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Yup in a weird way I look forward to that too...hopefully will get away with a quiet time at least. Hope the night is going well!
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It went really well ;D He went straight to sleep at 7 and slept til 6.15! Hooray! At last! I'm obviously going to stick with a 45 minute capped nap at 1 and see where it takes us, though I've only got today and tomorrow before we get round to nursery and NNDs again. But this time I'm sticking with a later capped nap on Wednesday too.
Thanks for talking me through it. I always find it easier to figure out what's going on when I have someone to theorise with!
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Yay! Fx it continues to work...I hear you on theorizing - I do that a lot, just helps to lay it out and most of the time I see the solution, and if I don't I know someone here will! Not that I wish LSN on anyone but it is nice to have others who get it!
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Yes, that's exactly it! ;D