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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: Chloevalentine on May 20, 2015, 11:35:13 am
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We have set nap and bedtimes here but sonetimes lo will sleep until 730/745 in rare occasion in morning. Nap time is usually 1245/1 but I'm wondering on those days if I should push it back to 130 and maybe cap it and wake by 230 and still do regular bedtime at 8
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I used to PD at the same time and if she took longer to go to sleep she ended up with a shorter nap as I would wake in time for a normal BT x
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I used to PD at the same time and if she took longer to go to sleep she ended up with a shorter nap as I would wake in time for a normal BT
Same here, I always found it is better to have consistent BT with shorter nap in order than LO keeps a solid night when they get the most of their sleep :) I hate inconsistency, it drives me nuts ::).
x.
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He went down regular time for nap from 1-230 even after waking at almost 8 am! And also went down easy for bed at 8! I'm finding that putting him in crib a bit later than I used to at 730 and he falls asleep within minutes lately. It's no longer taking him 30 mins. Today he's already up at almost 7! So his mornings vary sometimes. I will still put him for nap normal time at 1 though. Just to be consistent or maybe 15 mins earlier if he's tired.
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Sounds a good plan x
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Now we are on a later schedule and can't get out of it! He was up at 815 today don't think he will nap until 130 instead of 1 or should I try ?
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I would try usual time, and if you want to be on normal schedule then wake him in time for a normal bedtime or start tomorrow and wake him in the morning x
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Yesterday I tried normal time but he didn't fall asleep until almost 130 slept until 3 was super cranky and took him a little longer to fall asleep at bed almost 830. I slept in today and couldn't believe he slept until 815!! Think I'll wake him tomorrow morning and get back on track :)
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Let us know how it goes x
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Well no nap today he refused ! Bedtime was 730 so we will see how tomorrow goes ;)
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Ah nap dropping is fun isn't it?!
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And he's been going to sleep so well at night not taking him his usual 30+ mins he's asleep by 8/815 and morning he's been waking late which I think is the problem although he was also napping great all week 1-230 no troubles going down until yesterday and today. Today we woke him at 745 and we did a lot of activities at the lake so I think he was just too wound up but he wouldn't go down for nap until 145 and my husband had to sit in room until he fell asleep took 30 mins. What time should I wake from nap? I think I need to start waking him by 730 latest in morning.
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Day 3 can't get him to nap! I even woke him today by 730! What do I do? I tried at 1 it's now 130 still crying.
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Get him up, go for a drive around 3ish, give him 20 mins and then an earlyish BT x
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Ok I'll give it a try although he doesn't usually fall asleep in the car. Bedtime around 7?
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DD wasn't a car sleeper either but would crash out during the nap drop phase. If you don't get a nap I would do 6/6.30pm, with a nap 7pm sounds good x
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No nap so should I try 630 to be in crib? Yikes it's so early
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Some LOs do even less than an 11h day when first doing no nap, I would go for it and hopefully he'll be tired enough to nap tomorrow xxx
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Ok I'll give it a try thank you ! Just hope he's not up at 5 am!
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It's 630 and he's still asleep which is good. Do I keep trying to put him down at 1 for nap and try a few wiwo during this nap refusal time? Do I try to push it back in hopes that he's tired for a nap later? I have a friend who's lo is 2.5 and every 3-4 days he will crash and nap for 3 hours! But she doesn't put him down for a nap he just crashes on sofa. My lo is not even 2 I wasn't expecting no nap yet!
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I would keep putting down at usual time. He is very young for no nap at all and may well just be a developmental thing for a short time x
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So should I put him down at 1 o'clock or 130 and how long do I W I WO 30 minutes perhaps and get him up or use so should I put him down at 1 o'clock or 130 and how long do I W I WO 30 minutes perhaps and get him up If he's refusing? Last night he went down at 6:30 and slept this morning until 730
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Ok he cried for a few seconds and then passed out at 1!!
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Good news! I would keep putting down at 1, I tried to leave DD there for 45 mins to an hour before giving up on the nap. Sometimes she'd go to sleep just as was about to get her up!
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When he refuses he cries when I leave the room and I go right back in and try to resettle and then as soon as I leave he starts crying again. How many times do I wiwo before just taking him out of crib and bringing him downstairs ?
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I'd try for 45 mins for a nap.....but if he's resisting that much I'd be tempted to start putting down later, say 1.30pm and see if he settles better. We were on a 1.30ish nap at that age but with a WU usually before 7am x
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I usually do wiwo for 30 mins. It can become so stimulating for him and stressful for me each time I go in when he's crying and leave the room and he starts up again the past two days I put him in leave the room and he starts calling me crying but if I see he's laying down in 1 min he just gets quiet and passes out. So if I can hold off for a min or two while he's crying ( since I don't do cio) he will pass out. He was up today around 7 which I think gives me a better chance for a nap at 1. I've tried later but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
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You know him best :D
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No nap today :( it seems as though most times not all when there's something different in his routine before nap he refuses it. Today we had lunch out and straight home up for diaper change and into crib but my mother was over and he was aware. I don't think there's any was of me helping with the nap when the routine is broken which is very rare. He's a creature of habit!
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Put him down for nap at 1 today and he cries and calls me for 1 min then he stops and lays down to get comfortable. It breaks my heart. I think it's just more of a habit now for him. He's still saying mommy but not crying hope he actually goes to sleep.
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Is he upset/miserable when he's calling Mummy? What happens if you do go in to reassure? I worry a little if it's making you feel that bad that you are going against your instincts by not responding :-\ a genuine need for you should always be acknowledged, even if just with verbal reassurance from outside.
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day 3 of no nap! I'm losing it!
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Can you AP at all? How is his mood?
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No luck with ap he's not a car sleeper. Every night is hard because he's tired and delirious and clumsy so we can't really do much and as it gets closer to 6 he gets cranky and cries. Guess it will be another 630 bedtime night. Anything I can do?
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I'm starting to think he's just getting used to the 13 hours of sleep at night and he doesn't need a nap but I would rather him nap for an hour and go to bed laterI'm starting to think he's just getting used to the 13 hours of sleep at night than 630. Should I wake him tomorrow at 630/7?
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Yes I think I would if he is continuing to refuse the nap, wake him after 12h night sleep?
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Well I let him sleep today he's just waking at 7:15 from 6:30 last night. His night sleep is good and sound and if he was handling the afternoon well I wouldn't be so concerned but he isn't he gets a bit fussy and cranky and sometimes just stands around very quiet half asleep lol. Should I try for a later nap today? Although I did try that this week at 130 and 145 with no luck. Maybe I could try 2 and just let him sleep for 1 hour up at 3 and do bedtime at regular time at 8? That nap seems so late to me and he hates to be woken up. This is tricky. Could he really just be dropping his nap a month before he turns 2? Will he ever nap again lol
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My bet would be developmental, I'd keep offering and even try an early nap - after 3 NNDs he may be really ready for it and hyper/OT by usual nap time x
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Yesteday I did try a 1230 nap because he did seem tired hyper and grumpy but no luck. I tried again an hour later at 130 and still no luck. I'll see how today plays out and keep trying. Thank you
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(((hugs))) it's tiring I know :( out of interest have you tried the car nap? Nothing to lose by trying right? DD was never a car sleeper but would catnap during the nap dropping phase and it really helped x
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Day 4 no nap! I just don't get it. How did he go from taking a 1.5 hour nap every day and then not? He just cries when I put him in crib and I do wiwo and nothing works. It's becoming so awful and stressful. He's so hyper right now! Ugh!! My husband will never get to see him if he goes to bed at 630 every night ;(
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Honest I think this is likely a developmental phase you need to ride out. Be consistent with whatever method you use to try to settle him and just hang in there. Can you maybe stay with him while he tries to settle and go for GW? Or even take a nap with him?
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I've tried it all with no luck! The last time he did nap I went back in twice each time laying him down telling him it's time to take a nap and rubbed his back for a min as soon as I left the room he cried and called me but passed out in seconds but that hasn't worked the past 4 days. I tried around 1245 today then again an hour later. I think he's just not tired from sleeping 13 hours at night. But if he falls asleep at 630 tonight I'll have to wake him by 630 am! Unless I try to push him to 7 tonight but I'm sure he will be miserable. I just feel like I wasn't prepared for this yet lol.
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If I wake him a bit earlier in morning do you think it might be easier for me to get him down for nap? I'm just worried if I do and he he doesn't nap he's going to go to bed tonight even earlier than 630 and it will backfire on me. Or maybe I should try putting him down for nap at 2? That just seems so late to me for a nap. Last night he wasn't too cranky through the evening but tired and dazed and he doesn't eat much for dinner because of it but overall he wasn't too cranky. When I try for a nap and finally give up and take him out of crib he gets real hyper and active. Almost like it was a victory for him lol.
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I think with less night sleep a nap would be more likely, but if this is developmental resistance it's not guaranteed. Have you tried a late catnap as in 3/3.30pm? Go for a trip in the car, it can't hurt can it?
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True. He woke up himself at 645/650 so just about a 12 hour night so maybe he will nap. Although I feel like it's more habit now than anything for him to cry and call for me when I put him in crib. I'll probably end up wiwo a bunch of times. Maybe I'll try the 3 car ride I did try it one day and nothing. What is the developmental resistance about?
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I put him down at 110 he cried for a minute than laid down tried to get comfy then cried for a few seconds was rolling around until about 120 and fell asleep! I didn't even wiwo I just gave him a little time to see if he would calm down or if he continued to get upset I would go in but I didn't have to! He hasn't napped since wed! Is this what it will be like now? He will eithergo for days without a nap or cry and call for me at every nsptime? He was up at 645 today so that's 6.5-7 hours A time! Maybe I'll try at 130 tomorrow. This is stressful! :)
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We had nap refusals leading up to 2nd birthday, never quite that many in a row but they did happen. And then a whole load of sleep (long naps and long nights) around 2nd birthday or just after before the proper nap dropping started ;). My DD didn't cry when nap resisting, just messed around in bed and never went to sleep but we just kept trying even when we were down to 1/no naps per week she would still go in her bed for quiet time. Frustrating but my best advice is pick yourself a plan and stick to it. We just offered nap at same time every day (I think we pushed as late as a 1.30pm put down for a 6.30/7am-7pm day) and got her up after an hour or so if she wasn't asleep, or woke her after an hour or so if she did sleep. BT was 7 on a nap day, 6.30 on a no nap day. Eventually the nap went completely when bedtime on a nap day became a circus ;) :P
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Thank you for that info! I do try to stick with putting him in crib every day around 1. If he didn't cry and call me and get so upset I would be ok with the quiet time but it doesn't work out that way. I'll wake him today at 245 1.5 nap and go back to normal bedtime before the no naps at 8 and see how he does. Maybe with a normal 11 hour night he will go back to napping tomorrow. It just gets so stressful with the crying and having to wiwo 5 times resulting in no nap. I can see why people just give up on the nap! So a 12 hour day is typical once they drop the nap?
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Often a shorter day for a while, some do as short as 10.5-11h days when first on NNDs. We just did a set BT and didn't wake in the morning and she ended up regulating to around an 11.5-12h day. Now she typically sleeps 11.5h or so but stays in room until clock says it's time to get up :)
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He woke up from nap at 240 so about a 1 hr 20 min nap. Didn't wake crying. Has been pleasant all afternoon and one thing I noticed is that he's been playing quietly by himself with his cars and different things for long periods concentrating and focusing which he doesn't normally do. Amazing what you can do when you nap. I also wonder if this was the developmental thing you mentioned that he was going through. Going to try for730/8 bedtine
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Put lo into crib at 745 tonight he was rubbing his eyes while reading and putting his head down. He didn't fall asleep until 820! He was up at 645 and took a 1 hr 15 min nap but being that he hadn't napped in 4 days and was in bed by 630 I thought he would've passed out?!!
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Kids are funny creatures...my DD3 was up at 6:30 or so, napped for 40 min at 1:00 and still resisted bedtime at 8:45 (later than usual due to older kids soccer game). We are also in a weird phase of her wanting me to hold & snuggle her before she will go in her crib (she still goes down awake). She is checking where I am 24/7 so I think we are in a new stage of SA...seriously when I am driving she shouts from the back "Mom? Mom? MOM!" until I say "Hi E...Mommy is driving!"..."Oh!" (Lol not sure where she thinks I went!).
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Same here... Mom mommy ma!! Lol. Our routine now is lunch then clean up up for clean diaper and right into crib. If I do later nap around 130 what do we do in between lunch and nap. He has a hard time going from playing to up into crib. I don't think it will work lol.
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At what point do you just give up on nsptime? No nap again today so that's thurs-sun (4 days) without a nap he napped yesterday and none again today. A lot of people I talk to say their kids dropped the nap at 2. It's becoming too stressful. I just hate the early bedtime as my husband doesn't get to spend much time. Ugh what about quiet time instead some people mentioned. I don't think he would play quietly in his room he sure won't in the crib he just cries an screams for me.
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He's not yet 2 right? Given he's been napping just fine up until the last few days and never historically been super LSN I would keep offering. Push it later. Give lunch later if necessary (if LO is hungry give a snack to get to later lunchtime). I wouldn't encourage a nap drop at this age given how much developmental sleep regressions can mess with sleep. Even if you do, you will need to offer some form of quiet time. You could try down time on the sofa if you want but to be honest I feel unless you are looking at the nap really going for good (I think not just yet, but it's your call) then I would keep persevering in bed. As soon as you stop that routine I think the likelihood of successful naps plummets.
Just talk us through - what time is WU/BT right now with all these NNDs and what time are you trying for the nap. For how long? How are you doing the WIWO or whatever you are doing? Do you get the sense it's become a game/battle of wills?
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Before the nnd's he was doing on average a 7 wake 1-2:15/230 nap bedtime at 8. On the days with no nap he was passing out at 630 and I'd have to wake him in the morning around 745! I'm no ready to give up yet but it is becoming too stressful. I find that after doing wiwo a few times laying him back down leaving the room only for him to start crying again once I would get him out of crib and him not napping I would feel annoyed and stressed and I don't want to play or run around etc. this is where I feel that the stress of it is not worth it as I'm the one who ends up cranky. As far as quiet time or resting on the couch, once he's out of crib he's wild standing on the bed running around talking like crazy. It's bizzar and exhausting. It's def become a game! I tried the car ride one day at 330 and nothing and its not really s convenient time for a drive for me as I'm trying to get dinner ready and chores done that I normally do at nsptime
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Hmm...I stopped DD1 napping at 2.5 to keep a decent bedtime and DD2 was happy with quiet time - napped if she needed to, laid in bed and sang to herself otherwise. We did go through a phase with DD1 around 2 years old that was horrendous but she did start napping again. I think I would persist with the nap and waking him in the morning as well so his nights aren't compensating for no nap.
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Tonight he passed out at 630 I can wake him by 7 tomorrow and try for a nap around 1:30. It's become so routine now that I put him in crib walk out and he stats crying calling me. We don't do cio so I end up going back in after a minute lay him down and repeat. It's exhausting. He knows I'm going to come back in when he cries so he does. It's a game even if he's tired. Just knowing that I have to look forward to that everyday is stressful. And as I mentioned there's no quiet time for him it's opposite he gets wild and fresh
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What happens if you sit in the room and do more of a gradual withdrawal than wi/wo?
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I've tried that I put stuff away and stay in his room sit in the chair but he just stands in the crib talking to me lol he won't lay down. I managed to then leave the room keeping his door open and he just started calling for me then started crying. I def think it's game now. He gets all wild and hyper when I finally take him out like he won lol! I think I'm doomed. I'm not sure what else to do but its so stressful everyday with the crying. He's already moving around at 6 am today so I won't have to wake him. He's only slept 11.5 hours with no nap which is crazy. Maybe he'll be tired at nap today. Last night he kept getting hurt walking into things he was so tired.
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Am I going back in too soon. I usually wait a minute or two when he's crying to see if he might settle. I feel like he never actually calms down and falls asleep it's rare that he does so pretty much every time he cries and i go back in in a minute just seems to not be helpful in making a nap happen lol. I feel like I'm going crazy! He didn't nap yesterday and was up today at 6 shouldn't he be tired for a nap at 130? If he's not I think he's maybe just ready to drop no?
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And he's asleep at 130!!! It's been 7.5 hours though A time which on a normal day when he doesn't wake at 6 am I don't think a 7.5 hr A time is going to work. Should I wake him at normal time 230 which is just a 1 hour nap and to bedtime normal at 8? He has been up since 6!
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Glad you got a nap! I think I'd allow a bit longer than an hour, perhaps to 3pm? That still leave a pretty long A and lots of total A time before bed.
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Ok thank you! I wonder if it's worth me waking him at 6 everyday in hopes for a nap?! Am I crazy ? Lol
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Oh goodness I wouldn't!!
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Lol! The crazy things we think of! What are my other options though if it seems like he needs such a long Morning A time out of nowhere ? I'm excited about today that his dad will actually get to spend time with him and we can take him out for ice cream or to the playground instead of getting ready for bed at 6 pm! Ha
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Later nap?
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But if he's normally up at 7am would I do a 2pm nap? Won't that push bedtime kind of late? Is a later nap typical before giving it up?
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I guess it depends what you want in the long run - a kid used to rising at 6 am or temporarily pushing the nap and bedtime back (possibly a capped nap at 2 pm so bedtime doesn't run too late) so mornings aren't super early! I am not a morning person so I preserve a later wake up at all costs ;)
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I also prefer a wake up time closer to 7 lol which means I probably could put him down for nap at 2 for an hour until 3 and maybe keep 8 bedtime? Yesterday he was up at 6 ( which is early for him but after goin to bed at 630 wasn't surprising ) then he napped from 135-315 ( I had to wake him) went into crib a little before 8 but wasn't asleep until 830 but didn't fuss just took him a bit of rolling around. Today I'll wake him at 7 possibly and see if he'll nap at 2-3 then try bedtime at 8. Do you think that might work? 7 hrs Morning A and 5 before bed?
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I've gotten him to nap the past two days! Not that it was easy lol. He still cried when he went down and I didn't go right back in I waited about 2 mins then it became more of a complaining then calling me then he would try to get settled then cry again and call me for another min but 15 mins later he was asleep. So both days he slept from about 135-310 then into crib with no problem at bed at 8 took him 30 mins to fall asleep but that's typical for him whenever he goes to bed that late for some reason. He was up at 7 today just laid in crib for a bit before sitting up and calling me. Fingers crossed that we are back on track just a later day. Thanks again for all of your advice and tips (as always)!
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Couldn't get him down for a nap today even though he took a nap the past two days! This afternoon is been tough he's tripping falling crying cranky it's awful ! He was up today at 7:30 I'm guessing bedtime will be 630 At what point do they just handle no nap and can manage a longer night ?
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It is different for every child...I wonder if a couple of nnd's followed by a couple of nap days is just what he needs right now while going through the process? He sounds like he caught up on sleep and now needs a bit less until it hits him again and he needs a nap.
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No nap again today. But when will he be able to handle the night better without falling getting her having tantrums and going to bed by 630
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My kids get goofy and silly and ott hyper when tired so I have no experience of the cranky/crabby tiredness at all really. UT scares me way more than OT frankly! Also in the toddler stage it can be hard to know how much is due to tiredness or what is just development and being a stubborn toddler!
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But when can he handle a longer night with nnd? On nnd he wakes at 730 and I'll put him to sleep at 630. On days if he naps he wakes at 7 in bed by 8!
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Do you mean when will he handle a longer day on no nap?
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Yes his nights are so bad he doesn't listen he's hitting and throwing stuff walking into things getting hurt. He's exhausted and cranky. When will he be able to stay up a bit later than 630 and be happy ?!
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There is really no way to know tbh...my DD3 is 21.5 months and had her first nnd at home (on purpose as she had a great night last night so I decided to axe the nap for today) and although she was acting silly and goofy by 7 pm (wake up was 8 am or so) I did not put her to bed until almost 8 pm. DH could not even tell she was giving subtle tired signs (eye rubbing, laying down to read when she normally would not) and I doubt anyone besides me would have realized she had been up for 12 hours. He may still need that nap at least some of the time so I would not expect the nnd's to be long days for some time yet. My DD has been having nnd's at daycare already and was down to a 30-45 min nap anyways so not a huge leap to no nap for us.
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So I guess I just still put him down for nap everyday and do a few wiwos to see if he might settle? Otherwise I guess I'll just stick to the 630/645 bedtime for now. He literally hits the bed and passes out and sleeps until 7/730 am!
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Sounds good! Fwiw DD dropped her nap a year ago and is still going to bed at the same time (6.30pm). She sleeps until 6-6.30am most days I think but stays in her room until lights on her clock at 6.40am. So just my experience but I wouldn't expect bedtime to be shooting later any time soon. Of course once stable without a nap you could always shift your day to a later BT and hopefully later WU if you want to.
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I guess I'll see when he starts to give me trouble at bedtime needing more A time. 630 is so early though he's missing out on time with his daddy and I feel bad about it :( still going to try for a nap everyday.
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We had our first NW!! Haven't had a NW since he was an infant! I had no idea what to do. At 3:15 i heard him crying on monitor I went in and tried to calm him put him back in crib left room and he started crying. I did wiwo again and he did same thing he does at nap he was awake and would cry and I left room. I finally had to let him cry for a few minutes and then he settled but I heard him again around 430/5 talking. Why are we getting nws? Yesterday he was up at 730 he didn't nap and was asleep by 630 his norm these days. And he's already moving around at 630! Help!
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I thought for sure he would be tired from being up during the night and nap but it's 2 pm and nothing. He's fighting it crying and calling me from crib! Why the nw?
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Could be accumulated OT hun, he's still very young not to be napping even with short days. Are you still offering a nap? What time? Have you tried an early nap? DD would go down some days at 4.5-5h after WU when very tired in the 1-0 x
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I think you are right about the ot as he's never woken in the middle of the night. Yes I'm still offering the nap around 130. Today I put him in at 145 he cried and called me I wiwo sat in his room for a few minutes he was standing in his crib talking to me so I walked out of room leaving his door open and he didn't cry but continued to call me and chat away so I just left him for a bit and he fell asleep at 205! The accumulated ot is tricky though because I offer the nap every day. The last time he napped was Friday I think. He's been doing a nap every 3-4 days and on the days he doesn't nap he's usually up at 7/730 and asleep by 630 so sleeping 13 hours which I thought would help not to get the accumulated ot. On days he does nap like today he was up at 745 which is late probably due to being up a lot during the night fell asleep around 2 and I'll probably need to wake him around 3 right in order to put him to bed for 8? Which is his usual bedtime when he does nap but he usually naps longer than an hour about 1.5 that is when he does nap every few days or so. How else can I avoid the ot? Thanks so much
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Not sure you can......it's not that he isn't doing well with those 13h nights, that's a good amount of sleep I agree, it's just that the 11h A time is totally exhausting for them and several days of that in a row leads to OT whatever you do. You can do an earlier bedtime still although I know you're not keen on that but tbh we didn't go earlier than 6.30pm once NNDs became quite frequent. All you can do is try to muddle through for now and accept some OT is inevitable. If he won't nap, you can't make him in which case EBT is your friend, and keep offering the opportunity for a nap if it looks like he might go x
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Ok so should I try a shorter day than 11 hours in days he doesn't nap? If he wakes at 730 should bedtime be 6 instead? I'm
Confused as to when bedtime should be on days like today. He was up at 745 after a bad night with nw and napped late 2-330 ( I woke him). Should I do 8? What a difference from 6!
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I wouldn't think he'd go down before 8....I personally am very wary of longer naps once NNDs start happening, a catch up nap always backfired here spectacularly with a very short or disturbed night :(. I found it better to keep my normal BT or early BT within 30-60 mins of each other (so with nap 7pm, without 6-6.30pm) and would wake from a late nap to keep to that.
On NNDs some people do a 10.5 or even 10h day to begin with. There is no right answer though, you just have to try things and see how they suit your LO x
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I let him sleep from 2-3:30 in order to hopefully nix the ot then be went into crib at 8 and was asleep by 830 and I woke him this morning at 730. If it's a nnd be will go to bed at 630. The late nap is tricky.
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How long is your los day with nap? What time is there nap in order to get them in bed by 7?
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DD used to do a 6.30ish WU with 7/7.15pm BT, though would sometimes take a few mins to drop off. Longer than that was unusual and meant she was probably UT. She'd usually nap something like 1.30-2.45 or 2-3 or 2.30-3.15ish just depended when she fell asleep but if it was later I'd cap nap shorter.
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We have a 13 or 13.5 hr day with a nap (45 min) and on sat/sun (first nnd's at home) she had I think an 11.5 hr day. But then she needed a nap monday at daycare which resulted in an ew today...so it is just a case of rolling with it here between nap and nnd's until we can fully drop it. I am going to be working on establishing some quiet time in the crib this week to see if that will fly - she did that sunday but with me in the room so kind of defeats the purpose of a break for me ;)
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So the longest the nap is is 45 mins. For now on days that he does nap I've been just letting him sleep 1.5 hrs not letting him sleep past 3/330 so his day is about 13 hrs 730-8/830 and 11 hrs no nap 730-630. I'm not sure what time to put him in crib as he never goes down willingly anymore. I just the later it is the better the chance that he will fall asleep.
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Did the same thing as yesterday. Quiet time in crib left room door open but today he's not falling asleep just crying calling me. How can he go from napping every day to once a week overnight ?! This just doesn't seem right.
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Ok now he's asleep. Fell asleep at 2:15 after being in crib from 140 and me doing wiwo! Geeze this is a lot of work and then to cap the nap anyway I'm not sure it's worth the effort! Ebt might just be the way to go! Should I wake him at 3 a 45 min nap or let him go to 330 and regular bedtime at 8?
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He woke in his own at 3 after 45 mins hysterical and it's taking him some time to wake up and be happy. Maybe ut?
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Probably not hun ;) as I keep saying he is very young for frequent NNDs or short nap days, having never really been LSN in the past as far as I'm aware?
I know it's frustrating but make your plan and stick with it. Whether or not he sleeps is his decision xx
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Everyone I talk to is like oh he's done with naps just deal with it. But he's not even 2 yet?! So frustrating. Is there anything else I can do to get a nap? Being that he won't sleep in car or stroller. I've been waiting until 145 to put him in crib hoping that the later it is the better chance I have of him falling asleep but it's not working. I now sit in the chair in his room as to avoid the crying hysterical when I leave the room but now he just stands in his crib talking to me. This is a child who always went down awake for nap. Not that be ever was a long napper. Is it just possible that he's done with the naps? Sleeping 12-13 hours a night? It's almost not worth the effort and stress and time down trying to get him down for a nap.
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Do you think he might have a second wind by 1.45? Have you given the early nap a go? Say at 11.30/12? He may go for it after some NNDs, he's got to be tired even if it doesn't seem that way. Does he show any signs of tiredness/cues at all in the morning? What about working on some independent play skills in his crib, does he ever spend time in there when he's not sleeping? What about a few toys in there to encourage quiet time if not sleeping?
Look this is your call in the end. My personal feeling is no naps will fall apart pretty quickly. But you know him best :)
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I agree with Katherine, it is very young and probably just a phase he is going through. I would so try the early nap rather than the late one. This is one of those things you can only offer, it is his decision in the end - same with eating and toileting - totally under the child's control. You set the stage, they either will or they won't. Does he have any toys he likes in particular? I would maybe make them disappear and only come out for "rest" time and work on being in the crib at other times awake to play. My DD has a few books, dolls and small doll blankets as that is what she is into - they live at the end of the crib and in the morning she will happily play for 30-45 min if she wakes early - this has taken over a year of practice though!
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I never thought of earlier nap! I used to do lunch at 12/1230 nap at 1230/1 but since he was refusing I was thinking he needed more A time hence the later naps. No he shows no tired signs really ever though even at night. Today we were out in pool outside playing all morning thought for sure he would nap in car on way home at 2pm but he didn't. Guess he will be in bed for 630! Could it be a phase and he will go back to napping really? So I should keep doing the wiwo or sitting in chair in his room for 45 mins through crying and calling for me? Ugh. He does like his crib and goest I sleep fine at night. He has some friends in there but doesn't go in unless it's bedtime. I've tried the quiet time in crib gave him some books etc but he just stands there talking to me or calling me.
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He's been doing a 13 hr night in nnds but now I'm also getting a shorter night. Yesterday he was up at 730 no nap in bed passed out at 630 (he even cried for a minute when he went in right before passing out he was so tired) but this morning he's been up since around 6:15? I'm thinking of doing earlier nap today around 1230/1?
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I would go even earlier...he may have a lot of accumulated OT from these nnd's. He has always been pretty average in his sleep needs up to now right? I would maybe try 11:30/12...you will find out quick if he will go down or not and can always try again later if it is a bust.
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Yes average he used to do a 1 hour nap and 11-12 hour night. Just before we started getting nnds he was doing a great nap of a solid 1.5 hours and 11 hours at night. Ok I'm going to try early nap and see. I think at this point he's going to protest it whatever time it is right lol
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He's asleep at 12:15!! He did cry for like a few seconds then got comfortable and fell asleep like he used to always do at nap time!! Thanks for the tip! I wouldn't have thought to put him down early. I feel like it's a guessing game and each day is different. A pretty structured routine always worked for us in the past. We always did lunch and then right up for a nap at 1230. Maybe we are back! Or maybe it's just because he was up an hour earlier than usual and totally ot from the no naps the past two weeks!
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He slept from about 12:15/20- 1:55!! Now my question is what time should I do bed? He was up today around 6:15 which is about an hour or more earlier than his usual 7/730.
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What did you end up doing for bed? Hope it worked! It is a guessing game really until the nap is totally done...and even then sometimes!
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We ended up putting him in crib at 730 and it took him 30 mins to fall asleep which is his usual. Whenever he goes down at 8 it also takes him 30 mins give or take. The only time he hits the crib and falls asleep is when he's had no nap and we put him in at 630 then he passes out instantly. So I'm really not sure of what bedtime should be lol. He's already moving around at 630. So he has been waking earlier though on both nnds and days he does nap which is odd. Usually he's up around 730 so I'm not sure what that's about? Is it safe to assume today will be a nnd? Should I try and put him for nap earlier rather than later like I did yesterday?
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I would be wary of an early nap reinforcing an ew, but it depends. If he needs to catch up on sleep a few days of an earlier nap could be fine. I would not purposely do a nnd really, I would try for a nap regardless.
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Yes I agree, I know you are finding the nap fight a struggle ((hugs)) but I still think he's too young to be intentionally going without a nap x
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I agree too I'm not giving up! Lol. I don't think he necessarily needs to catch up today after a good day yesterday. What would be a normal nap time then? He woke at 7:15 today? Thanks ;)
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For us with a good night and that wake up it would be between 12:30 & 1:00 sometime.
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He went down at 1225 cried for a minute and fell asleep. I guess the crying is just his new thing when I lay him down. He also cried for a minute at bedtime last night. Maybe he's back to his old nap time and by me trying to push it out later I was making it worse like you mentioned he was getting a second wind! Two nap days in a row!?
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He napped for 1 hr 20 mins 1225-145. What time should I do bedtime? He was up at 715 today.
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Hun I'd encourage you to listen to your instincts about nap/bedtime. You are the only one there seeing how he is or isn't coping, we can offer suggestions but none of us 'know' when the right time is. Personally at this age I'd be doing a set(ish) BT anyway so then you don't have to keep chopping and changing x
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We always did set nap and bedtime just find its hard when he's all over the place with naps to keep it scheduled. We try for a 12-13 hour day when he naps. I've gotten 4 nap days in a row though going back to old nap time between 1230-1 seems to be working although he does cry when I put him in crib. In finding if I leave him to settle for a few mins he calms and falls asleep. Once I start wiwo I'm doomed he seems to never settle that way. But the 2-3 mins of crying is hard :(
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I know it's never nice to hear crying, but 2-3 mins is pretty good really. I suspect some people would almost kill for such an easy settle! It sounds like more of a protest that he doesn't want to stop what he's doing if he settles that quickly. Try to see it as his way of communicating xx