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Title: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: gracie3 on July 31, 2006, 22:53:11 pm
i would love some input if anyone has been here, done this . . .
due to a variety of reasons, I want/need to wean my 3.5 dd from exclusively bf to formula bottle fed.  After struggling with the decision, I now find that dd won't take a bottle- formula OR breastmilk. She used to take a bottle during the late evening feed, but once that feed stopped, we stopped giving her a bottle every day.  She would still take one occasionally if I was out, but since I have three kids, I'm not out much!  Then two weeks ago she refused and screamed! when dh tried giving her a bottle.  since then, she's taken maybe 3 oz. from a bottle at one sitting, in spite of trying every day for a week.  The other times she's screamed so horribly she could barely calm down enought to bf.  We've tried the suggestions in the "how to get your lo to take a bottle" thread to no avail.  Dh has tried, I've tried.   Now, in addition to wanting to wean her, I feel totally trapped!  When my DS was 5 months old i weaned him- (he screamed when I tried to give  a bottle) I just replaced the afternoon bf with a bottle.  The first few days he screamed and refused, but I could give him solids.  After a few days he took that bottle, and bf the other times.  then over the next few weeks I totally weaned him.  DD #2 was angel baby- weaning was no problem.  I was hoping to wean slowly with dd#2, but she gets out of control so easily, I have two other kids to deal with, and we are not doing solids so i can't rely on that if she misses a feed.  DH is taking older two kids camping on Wed. and i will have three days with just babe and I.  I'm thinking instead of trying to do it gradually, i might do cold turkey and stop bf and only offer bottles from now on.   Has anyone done a cold turkey wean?  Was it horrible?  I will pump so I dont' get mastitis, but I'm wondering how hard it would be on bub.  any input would be appreciated greatly.
Title: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottled
Post by: Lªuren on August 01, 2006, 06:14:05 am
Gracie3 - I had a look in the 2nd BW book for you as I remember Tracy had printed a guide on how to go feom breast to bottle in a few days max.

Please let me know how you get on.
HTH's
Lauren


From Breast to Bottle:
The First Steps of Weaning




There are two factors that influence what happens when you try to introduce a bottle: your baby’s reaction and yours, the impact on your your mind and body. You might want to introduce a bottle because you’re ready to wean your baby entirely, or because you want to make your life easier by replacing one or more breast-feeding sessions with bottle-feeds. Either way, you’ve got both factors to contend with. The older your baby, the harder it will be for you to get her used to a bottle in the first place if she’s been exclusively on the breast. But with older babies it also will be easier for your body to adapt to the change, because your milk will dry up more quickly (see box, page 126). At the same time, though, a lot of murns have a strong emotional reaction to reducing the number of breast-feeds and, especially, to quitting altogether.

So let’s take the baby first. The procedure is the same for one who’s never had a bottle as it is for one who had one several months earlier and now seems to have forgotten how to drink from one. 1 get tons of emails and calls from mums who have struggled with both problems. Here’s a posting from my website:

               Hi, I am mum to a six-month baby boy. Does anyone have advice on introducing the bottle? I don’t want to stop
               nursing but I need a break. He will not entertain a bottle, we have been trying far the last twelve weeks. I have tried almost
               everything, cups, bottles, breast milk, formula, etc.


Twelve weeks! That’s a lot of coaxing and cajoling and frustration—— yours and your baby’s. Obviously, this mum is not in a hurry. Imagine if she had to go back to work, as many do! For example, I remember Bart’s mum, Gail, who breastfed her son for the first three months and then called me: “1 am going back to work in three weeks and would ideally like to breast-feed in the morning, late afternoon and evening and then use bottles of formula for the other feedings.”

Regardless of whether you’re switching to a bottle and plan never to breast-feed again or you want to do only a few feeds a day, my advice is make sure you’re ready, stay the course, and steel yourself for a bumpy day or two. Of course, if your baby is 6 months or older, you might consider going straight to a trainer cup and skip the bottle. But if you decide to go ahead...

Find a type of nipple that most closely resembles your own.
Some gung-ho breast-feeding experts warn of “nipple confusion” and use it as a reason not to give a bottle before three or six months of age (depending on which book }~O1t read). If anything, babies can be confused by flow, not the nipple itself. Pick a type and if your baby takes to it, don’t keep switching nipples. it ‘s enough for her to adapt to a bottle; she doesn’t need you to experment with nipples, too—unless she starts choking, sputtering or gagging. If so, buy the slow—release type of nipple, which is specially designed to respond to her suckling actions, as opposed to the standard types, which drip into her mouth even when she stops sucking.

Start with the first bottle of your baby’s day, when she’s hungriest. I don’t agree with people who suggest starting when your baby isn’t very hungry. What’s her incentive to accept the bottle if not hunger? Expect to he anxious yourself, and expect that your baby is going to be resistant and ill at ease, too.

Never force the bottle. Look at it from the baby’s point of view. Imagine what it is like after several months of sucking on warm, human flesh to taste a Cold rubber nipple for the first time. To make it more enticing (or at least more like your body temperature), run warm water over it. Push it gently into the mouth and jiggle it on his bottom lip, which stimulates the sucking reflex. If he doesn’t take it within five minutes, stop, or you’ll give him an aversion to it. Wait an hour and try again.

Try every hour the first day Be persistent. Any mum who says she’s been at it for 12 weeks, or even 4 weeks, is not really keeping at it. More likely, she tries for a day or two—or even a few minutes——and then forgets about it. ‘Then she starts feeling tied down or she’s worried about leaving her baby with a sitter. So she tries again. if she doesn’t commit to staving with it every day, it’s less likely to work.

Let Dad or Grandma, a friend or a nanny give it a try, but only when you’re first introducing the bottle. Some babies take bottles from others and absolutely refuse it from their mums. it’s a good way to get your baby started, but its not something you want to foster. The idea of giving a bottle is to have the flexibility. Let’s say you’re out with your baby and you’d rather not breastfeed. You won’t want to have to call Dad or Granny in every time. Once she’s accustomed to the bottle, you give it to her, too.

Expect—and be willing to ride out—a hunger strike. If your baby refuses the bottle altogether don’t whip out your breast. I promise. your child wont starve to death, which is what all mums fear. Most babies will take at least some food after three or four hours of not getting the breast, I’ve seen babies refuse bottles all day long, holding out  ‘til mum comes home, but those are the exceptions (and they don’t starve either). If you’re persistent, the trauma of introducing a bottle is over within twenty-four hours. Some older babies, usually Grumpy types, can take as long as two OF three days.

Thereafter, always give a bottle at least once a day
. A common mistake that others make is not sticking with at least a once—a—day bottle. Babies will always go back to their original feeding method. So, if a baby starts out breast-feeding and, say, his mum had to go to the hospital for a week, and he was bottle-fed during that time, he’d know how to start right in again. Though it’s less Common, if a baby starts out with a bottle and then Mum decides to breast-feed, that baby will always be comfort¬able with a bottle as well. But they won’t remember the second method you teach them unless you keep it up. I get mums all the time who tell me, “My baby used to take a bottle but seems to have forgotten how”. Of course, she has – it was a long time ago. In such cases, the mum has to start all over again, using the above method to reintroduce the bottle.




Spotlight in the Trenches

Making the Switch

Janna, a television producer I was working with, had been leaving work every day, driving 30 miles in traffic, in order to feed her 7-month-old baby, Justin. She was at her rope’s end because now she really wanted to have the flexibility of a bottle. At my suggestion she  gave  Justin a  feed before she left for work and left a bottle of pumped milk for the nanny to do the midday feed. But Justin refused and went on a hunger strike. Every time Janna called home to see how things were going, she heard Justin crying in the background “I thought he was starving I don’t think I have suffered through a day as much as that one.” When Janna walked through the door at 4 that day, Justin was still screaming for her breast. She offered him a bottle instead and when be pitched a fit, she told him calmly, “Okay you’re not hungry now.” By 6, he was willing to take the bottle.

Janna called me afterward and said, “I’d like to breast-feed him tonight.” “You can’t,” I stressed, “unless you want another hunger strike on your hands tomorrow.’ I told her to keep up the bottles for 2 days and after 48 hours, she could resume giving him the bedtime feed.



There’s one other piece of advice I have about taking steps to begin the weaning process: Make sure you want to introduce a bottle. In Janna’s case (see box above), for example, her fears about Justin starving were not merely about his physical well-being. She was feeling guilty for causing him to “suffer” and, I would wager, ambivalent about the whole process. Many breast-feeding mums have similar kinds of mixed feelings about giving their babies bottles.

Breast-feeding can be a very emotional experience for the mothers, especially when a mother decides she wants her life hack.



Taken from "The baby whisperer solves all your problems" P125-129
Title: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: gracie3 on August 02, 2006, 02:28:37 am
Thanks for that- i don't know how I missed that in the book.  i blame sleep deprived mommy brain!  Its reassuring to know that Tracy advocated what i basically planned to do anyway.  We'll start on Thursday- wish us luck!
Title: Re: Cold Turkey from breast to bottle? 3.5 month old
Post by: Lªuren on August 02, 2006, 05:37:14 am
Good luck  ;D
Title: Re: Cold Turkey from breast to bottle? 3.5 month old
Post by: gracie3 on August 04, 2006, 16:35:33 pm
Just in case anyone was wondering . . .
WE DID IT!
I bf dd at her 5 a.m. wakeup yesterday, and then that was it!  :'(
When she woke at 7, I offered her a bottle, she didn't scream but def. didn't want it either.  so, i just kept offering it, and she kept refusing, until about 8:30 when she got hungry.  Then she started to cry.  she was in her bouncy seat, so I just sat next to her, kept offering every few minutes, she'd cry, then at 8:45 she started sucking her fingers and fell asleep.  since I knew we were going to have a long day, I let her nap in her bouncy seat, and she woke at 9:15, cried, b/c by now she was HUNGRY, and then finally drank about 4 oz. at 9:30.  Really, it wasn't that bad. we continued with routine, she had her usual 1 hour nap at 10:30, woke at 11:30 and again I offered, she cried, for about 15 minutes, then she took it and drank 5 oz! After her next nap, she woke up screaming (i think she was having tummy trouble) then cried for about 10 min. before drinking the bottle.  At five, she took one oz. without crying, then didnt want anymore.  At bedtime, 7, she took 6 oz!!! and didn't fuss or cry at all!!!!  ;D  I was thrilled!  She woke at midnight and drank 4 oz without crying- she prob. would have had more, but since I'm going to be working on night wakings next, I don't want it to be a full feed.  then again at 5, again took 4 oz, and wanted more.  I gave her the binky and she babbled for an hour, slept for an hour then up for the day at 7:30.  Her morning bottle was about 4 oz, she took it without crying although she kept spitting it out, adn mouthing it, etc. (messy!!)  But now she will take bottles from me without a huge hassle! 
Things I did that were helpful (I think):
1. I had her in her bouncy chair facing me, with me stroking her face.  that way she wasn't next to the hoobies, and could see my face.  i talked to her very quietly, saying what a good girl, etc
2.  I used BM for the first feed, then added a little bit of formula to each feed after, so it was sweeter. (I used Good start formula also sweeter)
3.  I tried the fast and slow nipples, and I think she liked the slow ones b/c she has to work harder, like if she were bf'ing.
4.  I planned on getting nothing done all day, and going nowhere, then was pleasantly suprised that it wasn't too horrible!
So good luck to anyone else out there trying to give los bottles!
Title: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Lªuren on August 04, 2006, 16:38:00 pm
FANTASTIC - well done you!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Carters Mom on May 15, 2007, 16:47:42 pm
For the first time I can post a success story -

My DS is 7.5 months and while he would take a bottle at 2 months...when 3 months came along he refused. It just wasn't going to happen. I continued BF and then his teeth came in and he started to bite (as expected) and when he finally drew blood; I had enough. I was determined to get him on a bottle. I was done.

So I followed the Breast to Bottle method that Tracey recommends in her book. I fed him last at 4AM and then refused to give him anything but a bottle every hour on the hour once he was up for the day. It was a screaming match and he continually pushed the bottle away. I told DH is was going to be a long day and I also told him not to try to persuade me to give him the breast. I fed him his solids as normal but made sure not to give him an extra; if he wanted more I tried the bottle. Finally at 8PM he took 3 oz and then fell asleep shortly after that. He woke up around 10PM and I fed him again because I figured he was ravenous; he took 8 oz and fell back to sleep.

Tips that helped me:
- used EBM at the beginning and then slowly started to add formula to it
- warmed up the nipple
- made sure formula was warm
- re-read tracey's steps over and over and over throughout the day for encourangement (LOL)

Good luck to all of you who try this; consistency and strenght. You can do it.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on May 15, 2007, 18:52:18 pm
That is fantastic news, thanks for posting your sucess story - it will be reassuring to others to know that it can be done as long as you keep up the consistency.

Paula
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: blod on May 21, 2007, 19:36:43 pm
  :'( I only wish that my attempts had worked as well. My 7.5 month old took bottles occasionally at 2 or 3 months, then refused. I've decided that I need to get her taking a bottle as I would like the occasional evening off & also I don't want to breastfeed for ever! I started cold turkey yesterday after the morning feed. It is now just after bedtime on day 2 & my baby has hardly had any milk, maybe 1oz. She hardly tolerates even the teat going into her mouth & gets really upset. I've tried different bottles & teats & a Tommee Tippee cup, she'll drink water out of it, but not milk. Am using EBM, warming teat etc, etc. Don't think I can carry on much longer, am worried about her going without milk for so long. However, don't want to have gone through all this for nothing!
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on May 21, 2007, 20:12:54 pm
Hugs, keep persevering, it will get better.

I suggest that if you do have a night waking tonight, offer the bottle instead of the breast, if she is really hungry she will take it.  Also try the bottle first thing in the morning - this is when she is likely to be at her hungriest.

Good luck - remember, she will not starve herself, she will take to it when she is hungry enough.  She is just showing that she is not happy with what you are introducing.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: blod on May 22, 2007, 06:36:48 am
 :'( Still no joy! Amazingly she didn't wake in the night! Tried bottle when she woke at 6a.m but refuses to even put it in her mouth. Tried spooning some in but she clamped her mouth shut again. Tried a cup & she took maybe 0.5 oz. I am concerned now that this is going on to day 3 with no milk.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: blod on May 22, 2007, 15:15:14 pm
 ;D :-* Just when I thought we'd never do it, success!! I was getting quite worried by Elin's lack of milk intake & she seemed much quieter than usual. I thought I would give it one last try at 8.30 a.m. & she took about 4oz with hardly any protest! So thanks for the encouragement! She has since taken another 4.5 oz without too much trouble, so will continue expressing and bottle feeding for rest of today & tomorrow, then hopefully I can then go to mixed feeding as I don't want to give up breastfeeding all together.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on May 22, 2007, 18:58:19 pm
That is fantastic news.  I am so pleased that she has taken the bottle.

Congrats, you did a great job with the perseverance.

Please keep us posted on how you get on with the combination feeding.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Carters Mom on May 24, 2007, 02:44:13 am
That's absolutely wonderful!!!
Good job.

I know in Tracey's book she does mention that some babies (grumpy/spirited) can be very stubborn and it could take a few days.

I'm happy for you.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Beccas Mummy on May 27, 2007, 21:53:47 pm
Hiya

I just wondered what bottles are you using?
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Carters Mom on May 30, 2007, 17:31:10 pm
I have been using the Playtex Drop In liner bottles. I did notice with my LO; he wouldn't take a nipple that was short. He prefered the long ones; he just chewed on the shorter ones.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: blod on June 01, 2007, 19:14:24 pm
Hi I'm using a brand called MAM. The teat is sort of squashed!
So far so good, I'm feeding in morning & then giving bottles of EBM for the other feeds. Have to say I'm getting a bit fed up of expressing!
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Gorgelocks on June 02, 2007, 06:20:38 am
Hi Blod
You've given me inspiration. I've only been giving my LO 1 BF a day now for the last 3 days. She is on solids but I've stopped those to try and get her to take the bottle. She's 6 months. Did you keep your LO on the same solids as normal when you stopped BF? My LO has taken 3-4 oz from a bottle every day now, but only EBM and only in the morning. She then refuses all other bottles. Its like she holds out until I get home, but I'm reluctant to stop the evening feed because she's already losing weight. I'm getting really disheartened by the whole thing, but need to keep going.
Any advice?
Gorgelocks
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Gorgelocks on June 03, 2007, 06:58:20 am
I took some advice from Birmingham Childrens Hospital who recommended I stop BFing completely but continue with solids. She had her last BF on Friday night and it's now Sunday morning. We seem to be going backwards as she's now not taking anything from the bottle. Sometimes she just chews the teat, but mostly she screams when the bottle goes in her mouth. I'm now 5 days into the whole breast-to-bottle experience. I don't want to give up as I've been resenting BFing for some time now and really want to stop, but I'm worried about my LO. Anyone else gone this long? Help/advice/support really needed here  :'(
Thanks
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Carters Mom on June 04, 2007, 17:45:27 pm
gorgelocks - hang in there. I was at the point on resenting BF and I so desperatly just wanted my lo to take a bottle. I just continued feeding him solids as normal and refused to give him anything but a bottle for milk. I started off with breast milk and then mixed EBM and formula together until it was all formula. I didn't go back to BF at all but I have read that you're not supposed to start BF again until they for sure take the bottle, which could be up to 4 days.

blod - I lasted about a week of expressing until I had enough. I coudn't keep up and I just wanted to be done. I dried up in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Gorgelocks on June 05, 2007, 13:12:19 pm
Thanks Carters Mom

 :'(It's now 4 days since I stopped BFing and still seem no closer to getting her to take it. I don't intend to BF again, but will, of course, if this goes on much longer and her health is at risk. I'm not sure how much more I can take though. My LO seems OK in herself but a bit agitated and not going down so well for her naps. She now takes the teat in her mouth without crying most of the time, but just chews on it and spits out any milk that goes in her mouth even though its EBM.

Hoping for a breakthrough soon  :'(
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Gorgelocks on June 06, 2007, 10:07:31 am
At long last we had a breakthrough ;D. She took 5 oz EBM yesterday evening and has taken more today. She seems fine with the EBM, but turns her nose up at formula. Any suggestions to get her to take it? I've tried 2 different types and was thinking of mixing EBM with forumula so she gets more used to the taste. Has that worked for anyone? My milk is drying up and there'll be none left soon!
Thanks for all your support
G
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on June 09, 2007, 19:40:19 pm
That is fantastic news I am so pleased that she has started taking a bottle with EBM.

With regards to the formula, I would suggest mixing the formula with your BM, and once your lo starts getting used to the taste you can start adding more formula and less BM.

Sorry for the delay in replying, I was on holiday.

Good luck, keep us posted on how you get on.

Paula
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Carters Mom on June 10, 2007, 21:39:45 pm
yes mixing EBM and formula worked for me too. I started with just adding  1 oz. of formula and then increased it. It just took a few days and then it was full formula.

CONGRATS !!!! good job.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Gorgelocks on June 11, 2007, 16:13:41 pm
I tried that, but once there was too much formula in it she got sick. We've now tried 2 different types of formula but both made her vomit up the whole feed within 40 mins of taking it. We took her to the doctor who recommended trying differnent formulas so we're now trying to find ones she likes that dont make her sick. This whole saga has been going on nearly 2 weeks now. I'm really hoping for a solution soon...
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on June 11, 2007, 19:16:40 pm
Hugs, Please keep us posted on how you get on.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: mjkuebler on June 13, 2007, 23:07:36 pm
Just wanted to say thank you. I felt Tracey's spirit in there.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: MissTVWorlds on July 16, 2007, 22:47:37 pm
Eleanor went to her stay over night at her grandma's on Saturday for the first time and she had formula the whole time, now I was totally BF her before this and she use to wake at night every couple of hours she's now 10months old.  While at Grandma's she slept from 10pm till 5am had another bottle and slept till 9am, I was shocked :o though I knew formula filled them up for longer.

So I decided to continue with the formula when she came home as she has three teeth now and was biting me a fair bit lol so far not many problems been sick once and as I still am producing breast milk she can smell it and when she's had her bottle I rock her to sleep but she tries to feed off my breast as this has been how she has gone to sleep allways.  This means getting my partner to get her to sleep at the moment.

Thing is I BF on demand and now she's on formula I'm not allways sure when she wants her milk, I seem to be making bottles thinking she's hungry and then she only drinks a bit so I have to chuck it away.

Can anyone tell me who has a baby of the same sort of age when and how much formula their baby has I would be most greatful just so I can have an idea. Obviously a feed first thing when she wakes and last thing at night but what about during the day :-\
Thanks :)
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on July 17, 2007, 19:39:02 pm
At 10 months my DS was on 2 bottles a day, but most lo's are on bottles 3 times a day - some even 4.

If you were thinking of 3 bottles a day you could do something like this.  Our bottles were always 7-8oz per bottle, your lo may take more or less.

Morning - Bottle then breakfast

2:30pm ish - Bottle

6:45 - 7:00 - Bottle.

HTH's

Paula
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: sugarbooger on July 19, 2007, 16:35:55 pm
My DD is 7.5 months old and I have to go back to work BTW her 9 and 10 month.  I have tried weaning her before but got frustrated and stopped she is a touchy child so everything is a performance.  All of these posts have given me a new zeal to wean her again.  So that she can be versatile and take formula or breastfeed.  If my husband is on board I will start tomorrow.  I know it will be a challenge but I finally feel ready...Thanks I will keep you updated.  The whole reason I came on the baby whisperer site is to seek out advice on weaning.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on July 19, 2007, 20:31:21 pm
Good luck, keep us posted.

We are here if you need any advice or encourangement.

Paula
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: sugarbooger on July 20, 2007, 15:11:45 pm
I always knew I would go back to work before she was a year old.  I never gave a bottle in the begining because i wanted complete control over her feeding (I have a very overbearing mother-in-law and a not so helpful husband).  I tried to give a bottle over these last three months without success.  Yesterday when i decided to start weaning today I thought it would be a battle and a hunger strike right from the begining.  My daughter surprised me and took the bottle like she was an old pro twice this morning.  She only drank an ounce each time but it is better then nothing.  I hope it continues to go this easy all day...
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on July 20, 2007, 20:00:44 pm
That is great news - It is a start.

Well done.

Pick a feed that you are considering weaning and make sure you offer the bottle at that particular time.  If she only takes an oz, give her a few minutes break and then try again.

Keep us posted on how you get on.

Paula
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: sugarbooger on July 21, 2007, 16:08:22 pm
My DD will take a bottle now it's amazing i don't know how to explain how shocked and surprised I am that it was so easy.  Thank you for this post it has been a life saver I loved breastfeeding but I am happy to finally have the flexibility to do both.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on July 21, 2007, 20:49:37 pm
That is fantastic news, I am so pleased that your DD has taken to the bottle so well.

Enjoy the flexibility  ;D
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: JenK on February 09, 2008, 23:34:12 pm
I'm going Cold Turkey today - you all inspired me after a week of offering a bit of EBM before nursing, the LO was smart enough to know that the breast was coming so didn't feel he needed to bother with the bottle.  So I set today aside as the Day, and started with EBM for the first bottle, half EBM and half formula for the second, and straight formula for the third.  I want to keep nursing, but I want to give him one bottle of formula per day, probably at the DF.  So I've been pumping and dumping, and offering only the bottle all day.
Just a question - LO took the bottle no problem on the 4th feed, but barely drank 2oz and then was done.  This is what he used to do a couple of months ago when I was trying to give the bottle, and partly why I stopped - he just would never drink very much and it wouldn't last him very long.  Has this happened to anyone else?  Will he eventually take more in one sitting?  I'm using slow-flow nipples - he seems to gulp too much air with the fast-flow.  Any advice?
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: rachgarden on February 16, 2008, 14:44:58 pm
Have been reading posts with much interest as we are currently going "cold turkey" with bf. We were getting worried when she didn't have anything all day but then, at seven o'clock, after her bath, suddenly took the bottle from dad and guzzled down 4 ozs without a murmur. She woke up a couple of times during the night and took a few more ozs each time. "Brilliant! We've cracked it" we thought and planned to give more bottles the following day before going to breast/ bottle on the third. Unfortunately Harriet (3.5 months) did exactly the same thing on the second day- refusing the bottle until the evening. We are now on day three and she is still refusing the bottle during the day- who knows what night will bring! Haven't gone back to bf as she obviously stills needs a little more convincing but not sure how long we should carry on. She isn't as tearful as we expected but she is taking more catnaps and seems quieter than usual. I'm aware babies out there are taking even less than she is but would be happier if she would take just a little bit during the day.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: ktmartell on March 12, 2008, 17:43:15 pm
I have a 4 and a half month old daughter and she has been exclusively breastfed. I am introducing a bottle so that I can work very very part time, etc. I want to alternate between breast and bottle at my choosing. I've been following Tracey's method since yesterday morning, and after much time and resistance at each feeding she will accept a bottle. She has had 6 bottles in the last 16 hours and no nursing, the last 2 bottles being about 5 ounces each of formula. When is this considered a success? I want to be able to nurse her and give her at least 1 bottle a day to keep up the bottle feeding. How will I know I can do this, when she accepts the bottle with glee?
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: JenK on March 13, 2008, 16:50:24 pm
I'm not sure they will EVER accept it with "glee" when there is a breast to be had.   :)  I only gave it 24 hours and then started nursing again, assuming that he would then take the bottle in the evening no problem - BIG problem...but our LO seems to be an all-or-nothing kind of guy.  If he was only on the bottle he was fine with it, and same with BF, but he refused to switch back and forth.  I think that her taking 5oz from the bottle is great, I would maybe keep it up one more day just to establish it and then return to nursing her with one bottle per day.  Tracy said 24 hours was enough unless you had a particularly stubborn baby, and then you should give it 48 hours.
Good luck!
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: moglet on April 26, 2008, 04:18:28 am
hi
i have been trying to get my EBF 81/2 month DS to take a bottle for the past month or so, and he will take maybe 2 oz of formula from a sippy cup when we are out, and mouthfuls with food, but will not replace a BF. he's currently on 4 BF's (one at night) and 3 solids a day. i 'm going back to work in 2 1/2 months, and also need to sort out his napping (will only go to sleep being held) and figured i would sort out the feeding before the sleep as the sleep would just be disrupted again by going to formula.
anyway, after reading through the posts, we are on day 1 of going cold turkey - gave him BF when he woke at 4 this morning (having slept for 8 hours - a record!) and have been offering sippy cup with formula all day. he ate a small breakfast, and hardly any lunch. he took about 4 oz at 11.30/lunch (picked the sippy cup up off the coffee table and started drinking) and has had maybe 2 oz this afternoon. i've not been giving him water, cos he will just guzzle that down. doesn't seem to make a difference whether it's me or DH with the cup.
i'm determined to keep on with this for tomorrow as well (48 hours) but am a little worried about dehydration. i'd like to BF morning and night when this all settles down...........
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on April 27, 2008, 09:33:44 am
I would definitely keep the BF in the morning and night, even while trying to wean, as then at least you know he is getting two good feeds, and just stick with the sippy cup throughout the day.

Sounds like he is doing well.

keep us posted.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: moglet on April 28, 2008, 01:00:56 am
well, i did 48 hour without giving him a BF! yesterday was much better - he ended up having about 22 oz over the 24 hours (including 6 oz at 4.30 in the morning this morning). gave him a BF this morning, and will BF again tonight, but have decided that formula only during the day, and for any nighttime feeds (which will hopefully knock them on the head). he took 3 1/2 oz of formula this morning, the big test will be his after lunch drink.....
and his sleeping has gone completely to pot, but you can't win them all! i'll sort that out when the feeding is settled down, probably in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on April 28, 2008, 17:12:00 pm
That is great news, sounds like he is doing really well.  Keep us posted on how things go.

I do know that naps can go to pot a bit, as it does throw them off a bit, but am sure things will get back on track soon.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: Jennerific on April 30, 2008, 14:39:45 pm
i'm gearing up to wean to bottle next week & have a question: i know they won't starve to death b/c we'll still be offering solids (DS is 8 months today) but what about dehydration??
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: lilmonkey on April 30, 2008, 23:34:21 pm
YOu can give him water in a sippy cup or open cup.  Good luck with the transition. 
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on May 01, 2008, 19:57:45 pm
I would offer a sippy with water, but also try to make sure that your lo does not drink too much water, otherwise he won't want a bottle.

Good luck with the wean.  Keep us posted on how you get on.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: BensMamma on May 01, 2008, 23:02:07 pm
I'm working on this too with my 5.5 mth DS, except I'm not doing it cold turkey for all feedings.  A couple of weeks ago we started offering him BM in the bottle, and he cried  :'( A LOT.  I thought my DH should do it with me out of the room, but that didn't work for our LO so I caved into LO's hysteria and ended up nursing.  I think it didn't work for DH partly because he's extremely impatient and DS picks up on it.  After that, I took over the bottle attempts while DH was at work, and he took it (with some fussing) the first time.  The second time he didn't fuss at all  :).  I continued to give our LO the bottle about once a day for about 5 or 6 days, and then finally let my DH have another go at it...no problem since then.  Now, as of 2 days ago, I'm starting to mix in some formula.  DS noticed the difference, but he is doing very well.  We're up to 2 or 3 combo (50/50) bottles per day, and our goal is 100% formula for the 3 middle feedings.  I want to nurse the first and last meals of the day and am hoping we'll soon be able to cut out the 4 a.m. feedings since I'll be able to tell how much he's getting during the day.  My LO has reflux and has always had a fair amount of intestinal gas which wakes him up so I'm trying the Similac (red can) for fussiness, spit-up, and gas...so far I haven't noticed any improvement.  In fact, his gas pains seem to be a little worse since introducing the formula.  I suppose it could be a result of mixing the BM with the formula, or that it's something his system isn't use to yet...don't really know.  Does anyone else have this issue?  If so, can you offer any suggestions or recommend a different product which might be easier on his tummy?  Thanks.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on May 02, 2008, 20:39:21 pm
Hugs, I am sorry I don't know much about the formula you are using, but it could be that your lo needs to get used to the formula - how long has he been on it now?

Was the reflux under control before trying to wean?  Is he on any meds for the reflux? 

There are special formulas that are made for sensitive tummies, and reflux.  Might we worth chatting to your doctor to see if they can give you an recommendations.

Sounds like the weaning is going well though.  Congrats.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: BensMamma on May 02, 2008, 23:05:59 pm
Hugs, I am sorry I don't know much about the formula you are using, but it could be that your lo needs to get used to the formula - how long has he been on it now?

Was the reflux under control before trying to wean?  Is he on any meds for the reflux? 

There are special formulas that are made for sensitive tummies, and reflux.  Might we worth chatting to your doctor to see if they can give you an recommendations.

Sounds like the weaning is going well though.  Congrats.
Thanks.  We had our 6 month checkup today and the doctor increased his reflux meds dose...he's on Axid, which had seemed to be helping until just a few weeks ago.  Hopefully the increased dose will do the trick.  I also told him about the trouble since starting the 50/50 mix of formula/BM earlier this week.  The one we've been using is a soy based product, and the doctor said that some babies have an allergy to both milk and soy.  I didn't even attempt the milk based product since he's always had some trouble with my BM causing him a fair amount of gas as well.  The doc did recommend a couple of special formulas for super sensitive tummies, so I might give them a try.  I've noticed that this past week I've felt some small anxiety attacks and blues since starting to wean during the day...even though I'm pumping for the 50/50 bottles.  I'm still nursing in the early a.m. and late p.m. - I wonder if my hormones are going wacky?  I've never heard of that happening, so maybe it's all in my head.
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on May 03, 2008, 20:47:40 pm
I am pleased that the doctor has increased his reflux meds and that things are improving.  Please keep us posted.

Let us know how you get on if you do decide to try another formula.

Unfortuantley I don't know much about BF, but you might want to pop over to the BF boards and see if the ladies over there can help you.

Hugs hun  :-*
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: BensMamma on May 03, 2008, 22:28:31 pm
Thanks Paula:)
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: myajazmum on August 02, 2008, 08:56:29 am
HI there

just marking my spot.

we have just returned from a 5 day holiday and decided that we needed to go cold turkey with my 5.5mo DS. He is not pleased, and previous attempts to gradually weaned him were unsuccessful. so tonight is day 1 I guess. He's an all or nothing kinda guy so I am guessing cold turkey would be the only thing that would work.

have previously posted on a separate thread, but was guided to this little goldmine..

keep your fingers crossed for me guys..
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: myajazmum on August 02, 2008, 09:24:35 am
We decided that since the hol was horrid for my usually happy boy - he never cried as much as he did in the last 5 days, we thot we may as well carry on with it and go cold turkey from his 6pm feed, instead of first thing in the morning..

And of cos he refused when DH gave it to him and went to bed hungry :( I am so sad..

Question: Will EBM in bottle for him for the night time feeds, but how long can I keep it for if he refuses? I have a feeling we will be wasting lots of EBM :(

Also, for going cold turkey - does that include DFs too ? Am sure it does but just checking..

I think it's going to be a big struggle for him to take the bottle, I feel awful, but I have to go back to work in 2 weeks, that's what I say to console myself for being such a horrible mum..

:(

Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: BensMamma on August 02, 2008, 11:33:57 am
Hi Jackie,
BIG hugs to you.  Change is always hard, but with you going back to work, it's good that you're starting the bottle now.  I can't answer the question about the DF, since I was able to continue BF'ding and bottle feeding in tandem for a while.  Like you said though, your LO may be an all or nothing kind of guy.  What happened to me though was that my milk supply finally went away since I started using formula for the bottle feeds  :(.  If you're able to pump enough to continue with just breast milk, then you probably won't have to worry about that.  With regards to storing the breast milk after he refuses, I think you can just pop the bottle right back in the fridge until the next meal.  I hope things get better for you soon.

Hi Paula,
It's been a couple of months since I posted, and I wanted to update you that we are successfully feeding our LO formula from a bottle.  We tried about 4 different kinds until we finally found one that was easy enough on his tummy (Similac Sensitive).  I'm still sad that I am not giving him BM anymore, but I wasn't able to get a regular pumping schedule down, and he became too impatient at the breast so everything dried up.  I do know that he's happy to be able to finish his meal quicker now, and I'm happy to not be waking up so many times in the night for feedings anymore, so that's all good.

Take care all.
Audrey
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: myajazmum on August 16, 2008, 03:57:24 am
An update..

DS is now on FF! the bottle finally took.. after he realised that there was no more breast on offer. DH had to be the one to offer to him. He refused for the first feed, and went to bed, woke up 3 hours later at 10.30pm, refused for 30 min and then took it! then the next feed he refused for 10min.. and the one after that, he happily took it!

So if it helps another mum, the trick is to presevere.. and have DH or someone else offer it to him when you are out of the room/sight.. and also going forward, ensure that you and any other carers take turns to feed him the FF.. And the most important thing? is that you in your mind need to be clear and sure that you WANT to go cold turkey with your LO and that the breast will NOT be an option.. I think that is the most important thing.. we have started and stopped so many times but this time we succeeded cos we kept at it. as I am returning to work... there is no other greater motivation here!

Jackie
Title: Re: I successfully went Cold Turkey from breast to bottle
Post by: * Paula * on August 16, 2008, 17:17:59 pm
Fantastic news Jackie, I am pleased that things went so smoothly.