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EAT => Food Allergies => Topic started by: skatty on October 09, 2009, 17:36:32 pm
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A brief background, Leorah was a severe MSPI baby and was BF for nearly a year and then went onto rice milk. At about 15 months we started adding small amounts of cheese and yoghurt but milk still made her bad. At 18 months she started tolerating milk and we were happy! Anyway although gastro wise all was good she had some speech regression during year 1-2 and even though there were no apparant symtoms it turned out she was having recurrent ear infections and glue ear which I then read can be a transitional symptom of MSPI :P So back onto rice milk and all was good, she kept up the cheese and yoghurt, it seemed it was the masses of milk that were the problem. However, I cannot remember when it started but she would get constipated, it seemed to be psychological, from 12 months she would hide to poo and if we had visitors she would hold it until they left, if we were away for a whole weekend she just wouldn't go ::) Anyway this problem has got worst and worst and she is now TT for wee but will hold her poos in for up to 5/6 days even though she is on a laxative powder, now I know some of this is definitely psychological but tonight about an hour after being in bed she kept crying and telling me her tummy hurts and she just couldn't go and it just occurred to me that this just doesn't seem right. Nowadays most of her poos happen in her night nappy while she is asleep, she seems petrified of pooing and will now hold her pees when she needs a poo :P I know she has had some very hard painful stools, we had blood in her nappy after one very hard one and her poor little butt had fissures so that is probably causing a vicious circle :'(
Sorry this is so long but does anyone know if MSPI can cause digestive probs in older toddlers, she doesn't even really get much dairy but does like cheese and maybe has a cheese stick and some cream cheese most days but as I said no milk, she drinks Rice Dream. It is a right PITA but I am cutting dairy immediately, I'm just wondering if their is anyone else on here that has a toddler with similar symptoms or if it is even very likely. It does seem that she is very sensitive to the proteins, since going back to rice milk she has also had tubes in her ears and has had liquid in the ear after a cold when one fell out but no infection. That has just reminded me the severe consipation first started after she had 3 back to back courses of antibiotics >:( She then had to have another course of penicillin in April as she had a very severe throat infection /flu and if I remember right thigs have never been the same since.
Sorry again, I know it is a lot of info, I am kind of thinking out loud, I am just sick of all this stuff, I mean she is now 3 and I am still worrying about her tummy :P Please help if you can, I am open to any suggestions :-*
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I found the answer to my question on the net:
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-56477595/chronic-constipation-children-traced.html
MPI can cause constipation in young children, mow I have to cut it out and see if she improves, the only doubt I have is that she doesn't really have much dairy and no milk at all but I guess she was particularly sensitive, I ate some crisps that said they may contain milk spores and she was sick for days as a baby :P
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Ohh Katt, I was gutted to see your name beside this post! Feel so crap for you, what an ordeal!
Even though milk and dairy can be constipating, cheese ESPECIALLY is constipating even in people without milk allergies or intolerances. Any chance she is just having too much cheese?
Crap, DS is waking - I gotta run, will be back!
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Spencer got horribly constipated when we tried to swtich to milk, so I put her back on formula (soy). She has a bit of cheese or yogurt here and there, but it doesn't seem to bother her. Also, when I was BF she was quite constipation prone (I didn't drink milk, but still had some dairy)
Heidi
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No I don't think she is having to much cheese, she may have a cheese stick or cream cheese for lunch but that is about it, she loves cottage cheese but we haven't had any for a while so now I am starting to doubt it is the dairy :-\ The thing is I can't work out is how she can possibly be constipated, here is an example of what fibrous foods she has had today: some oats with rice milk for breakfast, rye bread for lunch (with ham and cream cheese :P) cucumber and pepper slices, grapes, snacks were assorted fruit 2x a day at nursery, at home she ate raw carrots and more peppers, dinner was wholewheat pasta with chilli bolognese which is bulked out with loads of veg and after she has raisins and dried apricots and half a pear! That is pretty average though some days she will eat even more fruit, she eats nearly all her veggies raw and we only eat wholegrains, on top of this she also has a laxative powder prescribed by the doc! It kills me to see her holding her poo back and then when she is finally ready to do it she just can't pass it, it is honestly like watching your toddler in labour, she starts sweating, gets goosepimples all, writhes around over and cries and complains her tummy hurts :'(
Heidi one thing I do know is I will never switch her back to cows milk again, I am not entirely convinced it is the dairy now I think about what small amounts she gets but I guess elimination is the only way to find out :P It is going to be so much harder now she knows what chocolate and ice cream are, it is not like she gets these much but she does get an ice cream on a day out or after having her hair washed, how do you tell a 3yo that it makes them sick? ::)
I am so sick of all this :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Katt have you ever considered the possibility that it is not the dairy but something else? Wheat comes to mind, so does gluten. She is eating SO much fruit and having so much fibre, that you are right it can't just be constipation from not eating properly or getting enough roughage...some kind of a food intolerance or bowel issue seems to be more at play, but I know that people with one type of food problem are more likely to have other food problems as well, so could be something other than dairy.
Just a thought....
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Riley, who is now 4, was intolerant to dairy. Was fine with trace dairy, but anything more would cause fussiness, constipation, After he turned a year, he was fine with yoghurt and some cheese. When he weaned from nursing, he started drinking rice milk as well. Constipation continued on and off, until he was about 2.5 and I could never quite pinpoint what the culprit was. Everyone thought it must be the cheese or yoghurt, but I just didn't think that was it. Until one day, when he was about 2 3/4 years old, and he suddenly quit drinking rice milk. He started to have more regular bowel movements after that. So, something else for you to think about.....
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Adding to the mix here, my MPI guy had similar bowel issues when PTing. He was not drinking rice milk, but was drinking calcium fortified orange juice. I can't remember the impetus, but for some reason I switched him to apple juice and that switch significantly softened his bowel movements and we got past the issues we were having. Rice milk is also fortified with calcium--I wonder if whatever they use to fortify it could be constipating?
When he was getting trace dairy (prior to the whole PT issue) and turned his bowel movements a very odd pale yellow color and made them very loose and mushy.
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I was thinking along those same lines as well, that it may not be the dairy. One thing I would do is take her to a homeopath and get her gut straightened out, maybe add some probiotics to her diet (especially important since she did all those antibiotics).
Also, just to give you some feeling that you are not alone, dd2 has had major bowel troubles since forever. While breastfed she would go without a poo for 3 to 4 days, which can be quite normal, and when she went it would be soft. Things started to get complicated when we started on solids, as she kept her 3/4 day average, but poos got a lot harder. I tried just about everything, things would work for about a week or so and then go back to their normal pattern. Getting her to toilet train was an adventure as it was getting really tough for her (blood as well a few times). We used a glicerin-based baby laxative a lot. Most times she simply would not go without it because her stools were so hard. With time things have gotten better. She hasn't needed the laxative for a good few months now, and she doesn't take as many trips to the loo to finally go, although when she does go, she'll do more than I do. Just to give you some perspective as she's slightly older than Leorah.
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Hey sweetie,
I would def try some probiotics as a regular thing..just be careful if you are cutting out dairy, as you know they often contain dairy....The digestive flora can be so mucked up by antibiotics that even on a normal diet things just don't move through in the right way....
So sorry for your poor DD by the way, that must be horrible for her :( I would be treating her to special things, outings etc after she has done poos too to try and get a pleasant association for a less than pleasant task
xxLizzie
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Oh wow thank you all so much! You have given me so much to think about! We are definitely going to get her on probiotics, we had some dairy free ones before, I will try and get them again.
I never even dreamed it could be rice milk! Her poo actually became softer when we switched from cows to rice milk though so I am not sure it is that :-\
Mashi, my DH wondered about gluten, oh I hope not ::) She mainly eats rye bread but does often have wholewheat toast for breakfast and loves wholewheat pasta, I will have to keep it mind!
I am wondering whether I should try her on oat or almond milk and give a calcium supplement and see what happens? She loves her milk, it is a comfort thing for her like a dummy or a lovey so i can't see her giving that up! It si interesting that a few of you have LO's with constipation with rice milk, I just told DH and he was also surprised, that was the last thing we thought of! We have a little healthfood shop in our little village so we will be down there as soon as it opens, thay order our rice milk so we see what else we could get.
Thank you all so much for your help :-* :-*
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Oh, so after reading this I suppose you can ignore my pm, or add it to the replies, as it seems some people have indeed experienced constipation with rice milk. Hope the probiotics can help too, as I said they've really helped my constipation in this pregnancy. If you can get oats milk from the health food shop I would try that as an alternative, it tastes nice I think (especially in pancakes, yum!).
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Mashi, my DH wondered about gluten, oh I hope not Roll Eyes She mainly eats rye bread but does often have wholewheat toast for breakfast and loves wholewheat pasta, I will have to keep it mind!
Yes, I really DO hope it is not gluten - a gluten free diet is tough enough for an adult but it would be so much harder for a child to understand. Gluten is found in wheat, rye, barley and oats - although recent research has suggested that oats contain very little gluten on their own and most of it is cross-contaminiation from other grains; pure oats on their own are often suitable for some people with celiac disease (gluten intolerance) in small amounts.
Don't have much time as we are heading into town today but will pop back on this thread later this evening!
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Sorry Kat you are going through this!
My DS2 (16 months) is MSPI and if he has rice milk, he won't poo for 3 days! So it definitely is a factor for us. I make him an MSPI eggnog (recipe in the recipe sticky) with coconut milk and homemade rice milk. Since then he was been pooing very day, but if I make any baked goods with the bought rice milk he is constipated again.
I never tried the oat milk, I read somewhere that oats are high in phytic acid which is a chemical that binds to calcium and iron and makes it hard to absorb. Not really what I wanted! I am allergic to almonds too so I didn't bother to try that, either.
Lan
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Thanks everyone, the health food shop opened to late for us today as we were out visiting but we will go on Monday. Leorah has complianed of tummy ache all day, will hardly eat and when she wees she says she is scared :( She did end up having a small poo last night but her stomach is full so I am hoping after being stuffed with prunes today and plenty of fluid and powder she will go again tonight!
I can't believe that I didn't think of the connection between the rice milk, what makes it worst is when she is refusing to eat I give her more milk, doh ::)
Well we have decided to take her to a naturopath as soon as we have some money! I really hope it is not gluten, I didn't realsie it was in rye as well :P
I really appreciate all your help, this problem has been making so stressed :(
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Hi Skatty. I agree with the naturopath angle. They did blood work on DS and he has milk and wheat intolerance. We drink Hemp milk here.
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if you are desperate Kat you can make home made rice milk- this doesn't seem to constipate my son so I can't help wondering if it the processing/UHT of commercial stuff that is causing problems?
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katt sounds to me like the others are on to something with the rice milk. i also would never have expected rice milk to constipate the same way rice does!!
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Hello everyone, we are feeling much more positive :) Leorah now has probiotics, a calcium supplement and oat milk, I just hope she'll drink it :P On the 29th Oct we are seeing a "biopath" which I presume is a naturopath in our local health store, it is half price so about £20, she will look at L's nails eyes etc but I am pretty sure she will say no dairy at all! They do have some interesting dairy free spreads and L used to eat these when she was a baby but I am sure she will be more fussy now but I will try a few out when I get paid. It feels good to know we may be on the way to sorting this out!
MLK If she was younger I'd maybe make rice milk but now I am hoping I can find an easy alternative as she can have a supplement now, milk is just something she likes to drink because it's "cosy"! Having to avoid cheese ets will be the big nightmare, she loves cheese, especially sprinkled on her pasta!
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I know a lot of naturopaths do suggest quitting dairy, so I guess it's something you'd have to weigh up. You could always try removing it for a couple of weeks then adding in a bit of yoghurt or cheese and see how she does.
The homemade rice milk i make uses a powdered calcium supplement, so I could just add that straight into his food if i wanted - that's if I could be sure he would eat it all. I had a look at the kids' calcium supplements available here and all of them had artificial sweeteners and flavours and I wasn't comfortable giving that to a 1 year old on a daily basis. So i went the home made route - time consuming though!
Lan
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Yeah I know that is the problem with supplements :P The supplement we bought today contains sugar and essential oils form fruit, not great but better than the sweetners most have, it is also why we paid so much to order fortified rice milk, we will now save 50p on every carton of oat milk which over the month works out quite a bit :)
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I wish we could get those type of supplements here Kat!
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Yes that is one plus being in DK :)
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Help again, please!! So Leorah hasn't had rice milk since Sunday, by Monday afternoon she was oat milk and a probiotic, Monday evening she said she had a tummy ache and I told her it was becuse she needed a poo but nothing happened. Yesterday she also complained of tummy ache and I was sure it was because she needs to poo, last time she went was Friday or Saturday night Can't remember :-[) She has also been having laxative powder everyday ...anyway last night she woke up after about 3 hours sleep and was in a lot of pain, she was really gassy and I am talking big huge man farts (sorry TMI!) and they smelt bad! She writhed around for about 2 hours and wanted me to rub her tummy and the poo just wouldn't come and didn't come all night :o What is going on? Is the oat milk making her like this or could it be an after effect of withdrawing the rice milk? I can't bare seeing her like this :( These stomach issues are really effecting her sleep now and she is getting OT and grumpy. Is it possible things are just starting to move along and it gets worst before it gets better?
Please give opinions :-*
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Could it just be that things are taking time, Katt? Can you try a couple of days with a fruit and veggie based diet, cutting out most of her bulk and carbs until she gets her bowels moving again?
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Kat, if has happened at the same time as the oat milk i would be inclined to suspect it. The only way to find out would be to stop using it for a week and see if she gets better. Then if you could stand it, you could try re-introducing it again and see what happens. I think I mentioned before oats are full of phytates which can be hard on the digestion and also bind to minerals like clacium and iron making them hard to absorb.
Do you think she needs to go back to the doc about the constipation?
If you want to give her something like milk, what about blending tinned pears in natural juice with equal parts of coconut milk. You can add your calcium supplement to it too if you want. You can drink it straight or add it to cereal - I think it tastes quite nice actually! The pears are a laxative too so that's a bonus.
Really sorry you are going through this both of you!
Lan
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Thank you both for your thoughts, I am thinking of stopping the oat milk and seeing what happens because I just don't know what else to do! Mashi, I am hoping it is just things getting moving again but like Lan says it is wierd because it seems to have coincided with the oat milk :P DH's nan is here and has bought her a carton of prune juice, lets hope it gets things moving :P We are sitting here and discussing it and DH is sure that it is because things are improving and her bowels are starting to work again, I hope he is right. I am going to a different town today with another health food shop, I will pick up some almond milk and see if it makes a difference, she loves almonds. I think she would love the pears and coconut milk, she loves both :) Another thought I have had, could it be the calcium supplements? We haven't used these ones before but they are pretty much as natural as a supplement can get. DH is sitting here telling me that none of what has happened is any different to before she drank oat milk so he really doesn't think that is the problem. I have had another scary thought though, she loves eggs, I have never noticed a link before, please don't let it be eggs, I try to ration them as I know they can worsten constipation but she asked for eggs this morning and then DH told me he made her scrambled eggs yesterday morning :P
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I just found an old thread of mine and totally forgot Leorah used to drink oat milk before we were able to order the fortified rice milk and had no probs :P Maybe I should wait it out a few days and see what happens :-\
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It's always hard when things like this happen to try and work out what's going on. Maybe you could drop all the forms of milk and supplements for a week to let things calm down. Another source of calcium is homemade chicken soup made from bones, would she eat chicken and veggie soup? PM me if you'd like the recipe. Maybe you could try a week of an "invalid type diet" with the chicken soup, veggies and fruit and see how that goes. You could try root veggies like potatoes and sweet potatoes to fill her up if she's not having bread or rice. Then when you think she got her constipation under control, add things in one by one, starting with the calcium supplement first.
Good luck!
Lan
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That's what I am thinking too, Katt - sort of an elimination diet. Cut out everything you can think of but with still allowing her to get enough to eat, iykwim, and then add things back one by one. When you're constipated you're not really that hungry anyway (at least I'm not!) Calcium can be constipating in itself so perhaps it is the supplements that is doing it or adding to it, whatever is causing it. Wouldn't have to be for a long time, just until she gets moving again.
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Oh Katt, I'm so sorry to read this :'( Poor Leorah!
I was thinking that she did have these NWs with tummy pain before you started the oats milk too...
Oh if we could only find what it is that is causing this... Will pm you and am thinking of you both :-*
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I'd cut out the calcium supplements until she gets moving again.
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That is a great idea but she has to take a packed lunch to preschool and i will have to think what I can give her, it is her main meal, since dropping the nap she goes to bed at 5pm ( :o) so isn't hungry at dinner and breakfast is hit or miss! She normally has rye bread or this wholegrain swedish bread with egg mayo/salami and cream cheese/fish fillet/ham, carrots/peppers/cucumbers, grapes/satsuma/mango/pineapple and some raisins/nuts/fruit leather, they also eat fruit twice a day and that is things like sliced apples, pears, kiwi, banana (she is off those at the mo' thankfully) I have found an excellent website with lots of parents with kids with the same problem and there are loads of tips, I have bought flax seed oil as that seems to be the best natural laxative for kids and it is also full of omega 3s. I am now not convinced that when she spends hours pushing a poo out that she is in fact trying to keep it in :-\ She sweats and gets goose pimples and arches her back a lot. From reading on this site I gather that young kids can really hold their poo even when on laxatives and eating plenty of fibre so perhaps it is only psychological ??? I now realise I have to try and avoid her eating too much insoluble fibre as it could make matters worst ::)
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Sorry I didn't see Vick's and Bethany's replies, yes I think cutting out the calcium supplements for a few days wont hurt ;)
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I know what I am about to suggest is medication, and I am not the biggest fan of that, but would you consider a glycerin suppository? They melt with body temperature and are quite gentle on the child's body. I'm thinking form my own experience with dd2 that as the time passes without a poo, it gets drier and drier and it just gets harder and harder to get it out of there The glycerin provides a smoother lubrification that just helps things get going AND makes it easier for that really hard and dry poo to get out.
Like I said before, dd2 developed a bit of a negative association with going poo because it hurt her so much and it just gets you on a vicious cycle. We used a glycerin-based laxative a bit frequently in the beggining, she hated to out it on but eventually came to understand that it did help, it was just trading a temporary discomfort for long-term relief. With time we were able to spread out it's use and now it's been quite a while since we've used it.
HTH - I know it just sucks!
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Along the same lines as a supposiory, have you tried lactulose? I don't know if it would be known by a brand name in Denmark or if you would need a prescription for it? I know that in North America it doesn't seem to be as widely known/used as in England, but in England it's the first thing doctors give when constipation becomes a problem. It is just a sugar that is absorbed by the bowel and makes stool softer to help constipation ease up. It is non habit forming and you can be on it for years with no adverse affects. Just throwing another option out. x
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How did it go Kat? Did she manage to go?
There's also mineral oil/paraffin oil, it's lubricating so makes everything slippery so she can't hold it in, also helps ease the pain on the way out. It's not digested like flaxseed oil is, so it's oily all the way through! here you can get it over the counter at the chemist.
You give it in the morning, mixed in with the prune juice would help. I wouldn't give her the laxative powder or probiotics at the same time though or it all might be too much!
Do you think you might need some help with her fear of pooing? It can be a vicious cycle, hard poo=fear=holding it in=more hard painful poo. Tough on you all! Sometimes someone who isn't directly involved with the situation can really help.
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Thank you all for your ongoing support, I really appreciate it :-* I spent a lot of last night lying awake and thinking this all over and I am now pretty certain she is holding her poo rather than trying to get them out :P Before she had that hard poo with blood in the nappy she would sometimes ask for a nappy when she needed to go but since then we always have to offer if it looks like she needs to go and then she does this writhing around thing that looks like she could be trying to push it out but now I think about it I think DH is right and she is trying to hold it in ::) It has been a long time since she had a hard poo, it is quite firm now but it is more a lump of playdo looking than a sausage shape or pellets, sorry I know TMI!!
We have used lactulose before when she was a baby but when I told my doc we had used it now she is older she said that is not the best remedy for what she has now ??? I think I'd prefer her using lactulose because from what I have read these powders can be habit forming. I am not sure about the suppository, she is really funny about her private parts, has always since 12 months held her poo if we had company and would scream and cry if her nappy was changed in front of anyone, doesn't even like it when we have to clean her after she's pooped so I am sure sticking something up her bum would not go down well! The thing is because she is eating so much fibre and taking the powder her poo isn't hard which makes me think she is just holding it. I cannot believe another day has passed without a poo ::)
DH has just gone to pick her up from preschool, he warned the teachers she may need to poo but didn't tell them to offer her a nappy ::) Last time she really needed a poo she just told them she had stomach ache and layed on a sofa all afternoon. If she hasn't gone today I am giving her a tummy massage before bed plus some more flax oil in her drink. If all the powder ios doing is softening her stool and that can be done with flax oil or lactulose I want to stop the powder as it always seems to give her cramps. I am sorry that maybe this isn't a food issue after all though I do actually think the rice milk wasn't helping matters.
Lan I do think maybe we need to see a specialist because there is some definite psychological thing going on here, fear and shame in my opinion :( Thank you again everyone :-*
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Oh my goodness, just had to come back on and let you all know Leorah pooed in preschool on the toilet! Apparantly she wasn't anxious, did it all herself and then soaked herself while washing her hands so still came home in different clothes! She only did a small poo so I hope she will manage to go again later :)
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Great news! What are her feelings towards it? I know Isabel would tell daddy as soon as he got home that she had done a poo, because we just cheered her on so much!
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She came home and I made a fuss of her which she enjoyed and was proud but she then drank two cups of watered down prune juice and a cup of rice milk and refused to pee before bed ::) I asked her why and she said she was scared and that was it so I asked if she was scared she will poo and she said yes, I also asked why she will go at PS and not at home but she ran off crying to her grandad who is visiting :P This is pretty annoying as I will now have to change her nappy because it will be full of pee once she falls asleep and she's already OT from all the broken sleep she has had this week with tummy ache, hopefully she will poo too as there must be lots more needing to come out :P
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I think you really need to work on her being comfortable in the toilet, it seems like there's a much bigger issue there underneath it all. Sorry if this is too personal a question, is Leorah accustomed to seeing you go pee? I think one of the things that worked really well with dd2 was having her see me and dd1 go pee, so she wanted to imitate us - actually, she totally refused the potty and only wanted to use the toilet seat adapter.
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We dealt with the poo-holding issue for about 5 months. I think for us it was something like 20% the firm poop and 80% a psychological issue. The two exacerbate each other and are tough to separate. If there is a food contributing to her firm poop, it will definitely help to eliminate it and keep things soft and moving.
For us, anytime we even gently nudged DS to poop on the potty chair he ended up holding it for days. If we never mentioned it, he'd fall into a cycle of going every other day. For about an hour before he'd go I could tell he really needed to go. He'd be really fidgety and act uncomfortable and constantly change positions and eventually the urge would overwhelm him, he'd race into my bed room, shut the door, lie down in front of it and poop. For him part of his issue was that he pooped lying on his stomach and switching to sitting up was really hard.
I was so concerned about the negative effects of his holding it in and the cycle getting worse and truly, even the gentlest nudges to poop in the potty chair seemed to increase his stress and cause him to hold it longer--so we just let it be. This went on for 5 months or so. The only thing we did do was that after he pooped I took him to the bathroom to clean him up and put the poop in the potty chair and then into the toilet to try to reinforce that's were it goes.
The break through finally happened when he got sick and his BMs got a bit loose anyhow and then we stopped the calcium fortified OJ and switched to apple juice. Things were so soft I think they just slipped out while he was going potty and it got him over the hump.
{{{Hugs}}} I know it's such a frustrating and helpless feeling.
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Well I don't know what is working, the probiotic, stopping the rice milk or the flax oil but Leorah had a massive poo in her sleep last night and didn't wake with tummy ache ;) But I have BIG news! This afternoon she went to the loo and as usual made me wait outside while she shut the door (I do peak through the keyhole to make sure she goes ;)) and suddenly she shouted "Mumma, look what I did!" and there in the bowl was a poo :D Small but pushed out intentionally as I heard the grunt ;D She was very proud but I kept the praise low key, we did celebrate with a slice of cake and she was proud when we told daddy but was definitely a bit embarrassed when we told her granddad so I definitely think she likes such matters to be kept private!! I am really hoping we are on the ladder to success but we have been hopeful before and it has regressed but hopefully if we get her regular and without pain things will be ok. For now I think we are stopping the powder and going with the probiotic and flax oil, no more rice milk, I have read so much about it being constipating now that I can't believe I never heard it before :P I can't thank you all enough for your help and support, I have been clicking your karma buttons and I would do it 100x at once if I could! I may be back but I hope not ;) Thank you again :-* :-*
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Sorry for some reason LisbonMom and Peek a Boo's replies weren't showing when I logged on :-\
LisbonMom, I have always gone to the toilet with Leorah and once she decided to wear knickers and give up her day nappy she had no problem peeing on their, she only holds her pee when she needs to poo as she now realises it will just come out :P
Peek-a-boo, I do think that the fortified rice milk had something to do with it! Leorah has also been drinking watered down prune juice the last few days but her stools are still not runny, the one in the toilet tonight looked very normal but I am guessing they are slipping out easily ;) I agree the more fuss we make the more she wants to hold it in :P
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yay, I hope she has turned the corner! I agree with Benthany, don't remind her to go for a few days and see if she'll go by herself, then you'll know she is finally there. These spirited kids always have to have control over everything!
I use calcium lactate powder as a supplement, never had any problems with constipation with that. Maybe it's the form of the calcium supplement? I also add a magnesium supplement to go with it which is meant to have a laxative effect so maybe that heps.
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Leorah's calcium supplement is also a magnesium supplement so maybe that is ok? She pooped again in bed last night :D It does seem like things are moving and she is really happy about it and has told us she doesn't have tummy ache anymore! She is having oat milk with a teaspoon of flax oil and a probiotic in the morning and evening. My fingers are crossed but I am scared of jinxing things :)
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Hope it continues Katt! It's so good that she's not in pain anymore, that is a great step forwards in itself :)
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Cheers Vick, she keeps talking about her tummy not hurting so it must have been a big deal to her, bless!
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****Keeping fingers crossed for you that you guys have turned the corner here****
YAY!!
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Thanks, she had another small poo this morning which meant she woke about an hour early, seems like she is emptying her very full bowels!
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That's great! Not the waking early, but the poo :D
Meant to say too that I love what you've written above her new ticker ;D Spirited kids do really rock!!
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Yeah, they get such a bad press I thought I'd big them up ;)
Tonight L had a bath and was really enjoying it and then suddenly panicked got out and sat on the loo, nothing happened so she asked me to help her poo ::) I rubbed her tummy but nothing happened and after she asked for a nappy, I think to feel safe! We left it on 20 mins and the she needed a wee and we left it off, I am wondering if she is unsure of what a fart is compared to a poo or perhaps because she is pooing so much she is feeling a bit nervous of accidents!
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She certainly seems very aware! I hope she continues to do well now though with no more withholding. I suppose it could be confusing for them to differentiate between farts and poo coming. their awareness is still quite new.
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This morning we had wee refusal again :P She said her tummy hurt and she was scared to go to the loo so I told her her tummy hurts when she holds it in, she eventually weed and I asked her if her tummy still hurt and she said no so I told her that is because she went to the toilet and that her body tells her when she needs to go! Not sure how much she takes in and understands but I can see it is still baby steps!
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I'm glad she went. Hopefully she'll make the connection that going makes things better, holding in makes it hurt.
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At that ag Iused to tell my son that he should try to do a poo every day, otherwise it would get hard and hurt his tummy. He got it no problms.