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SLEEP => General Sleep Issues => Topic started by: tracy28011984 on March 09, 2010, 17:59:02 pm
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My baby is 7 1/2 months old and for a couple of months now he is having frequent night wakings of about 2-3 a night (but goes back off with his dummy), he has just got over a cold and already has two teeth and I think another on the way.
The problem is he is only sleeping 10 hours a night regardless of what time I put him down for bed usually at 8pm so he wakes anywhere from 5.30p.m to 6a.m ready to start the day.
I would love to drop the catnap if I could get his last nap to end after 3.30p.m and go for an earlier bedtime of 7p.m but I'm too frightened he will only sleep until 5pm as he will only sleep 10 hrs.
When he wakes he will try and go back to sleep but then starts to cry after 30 mins or longer.
He is currently doing A time of 2hr45 or 3hr (just increased this as I was getting shorter naps). This helped for a while and I started getting better naps. His bedtime is 8.00p.m but I'm not sure if this is too late, should I try for 7/7.30p.m or should I try for later if he will only sleep for 10 hours and let him have a longer catnap.
He is swaddled for bed and naps still and has his dummy, I like him being swaddled at the moment because it's a good sleep cue for him and keeps him warm (very cold at the moment) I will tackle deswaddling in a few months time.
This is his routine at the moment:
6.00a.m. Awake (Should be but he is waking at 5.45a.m)
9.00 Nap (Usually 1 1/2hrs-but sometimes less if he has been up earlier than 6
10.30 Awake
1.15-1.30 Nap(Usually 1 1/2hrs but lately have become shorter)
2.30-3.00 Awake
5.15 Nap (45 Mins)
6.00 Awake
8.00 Bedtime
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Hi there :)
I'm just about to log off so can't look over your EASY for ideas; will be back tomorrow! I didn't want to leave your post answered until tomorrow though :-*
A couple of links worth taking a look at, might help:
* http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=164030.0
* http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=87109.0
* http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64158.msg476652#msg476652 - looks like A time is pretty typical
* http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=85134.0
Any Mamas with ideas or experience on this, please jump in and pay-it-forward!! I'll be back tomorrow :)
Charlotte
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his nighttime sleep will probably stretch out a bit once you drop the catnap. i found my kids tended to do less at night when they were having too much daysleep...ie leading up to dropping a nap, and then once the nap was dropped started sleeping longer at night.
ikwim though about it being hard to drop the nap with such ews, and i usually go with a later bedtime in these cases too. usually i hope for one day of sleep in and then drop the nap that day. but try increasing the A time again. at least 3 hours A time and maybe you can have that second nap be a bit later. if you can get him to sleep until 3:30 it would work. i would do a bedtime as early as 6:30.
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Thanks for replies
Today he woke at 5.30a.m after 7pm bedtime I managed to get him back off at 6am for 45 mins then he went to nursery. At nursery they put him down for his first nap at 9.05 a.m and he slept until 11.10a.m. Then his 2nd nap they put him down too early I think at 1.10 and he only slept until 1.40p.m (30mins) so when i picked him up I gave him a catnap of 30 minutes from 4.30-5.00p.m (is that long enough do you think?). Thinking of giving him a bedtime at 7pm. Would you agree?
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have a chat with nursery. if he woke up at 6:45 then his first nap should be at 9:45, not 9...and if his first nap ends at 11ish then they should keep him up until about 2 (3 hours) before putting him down for his second nap. i think if you can get the A times right (aim for 3 hours) he'll start doing 2 long naps and sleeping longer at night. when you drop him off at nursery maybe mention what time he woke up and what time you want him to be put down for the first nap
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Do you think his A time should be 3 hours on a morning e.g. like this morning when he woke at 5.30a.m was awake for 30 mins then asleep for 45 mins until 6.45a.m or should it be a little shorter. I said to nursery to put him down about 9am because I thought he had been up earlier and was only catnapping, don't know if this counts as a good sleep because he had awake time in between. what do you think?. When I picked him up I did mention to them that if he has a good nap 1 1/2-2 hrs to have his next nap 3hrs later even if he appears tired earlier because it may be due to him being bored of one activity. Thanks for advice, it helps when you have someone to relate to.
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Do you think his A time should be 3 hours on a morning e.g. like this morning when he woke at 5.30a.m was awake for 30 mins then asleep for 45 mins until 6.45a.m or should it be a little shorter. I said to nursery to put him down about 9am because I thought he had been up earlier and was only catnapping, don't know if this counts as a good sleep because he had awake time in between
yes it's a tough call. i think he could have handled a little bit more A time than you gave him, 2 hours 15 in is really short. my lo wakes up and chats/plays/lies still in the dark until i get her up and she can usually do her regular A time counted from the time i get her up, even if she was awake earlier. so if the 30 min was in the dark trying to go back to sleep i would have aimed for 2 hours 45 min or something like that after he got up. does that make sense?
When I picked him up I did mention to them that if he has a good nap 1 1/2-2 hrs to have his next nap 3hrs later even if he appears tired earlier because it may be due to him being bored of one activity.
good, i agree. hope fully they will do it for you.
good luck! let us know how it goes
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Thanks for reply!
So last night I put him down at 7.10p.m and after 5 mins I took his dummy out then he slept until 3am and started coughing he has a nasty chesty cough so i gave him his dummy and he slept until 5a.m coughing again so i gave dummy again and he went back off until 6.30a.m couldnt believe it I had the biggest smile on my face this morning. I've told my partner's mum to start wind down at 9.15a.m to aim to be asleep at 9.30a.m. I'll let you know what happens fingers crossed!
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His naps have been so far 9.00-10.30 (put down too early by grandma even though i told her 9.30 then 1.00 til 2.00p.m (again too early) so I have given him a nap at 4.30 to 5 but he now has devloped a constant wheeze and his cough is getting worse so he has coughed all the way through this nap don't think he slept at all, going to put him to bed at 7pm. I rang the doctors and they said not to worry about a wheeze, poor thing he sounds terrible. Will keep you posted, how tonight goes.
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glad it's getting better. keep working on extending his A time to 3 hours. maybe reiterate to gramma that he may look sleepy after 2.5 hours because he is bored and maybe she needs to try to stimulate him a bit more to keep him awake. maybe you can try to extend his A time over the weekend and then it will be easier for her on monday? he did a good first nap (1.5 hours) first thing despite the 2.5 hours A time but an afternoon nap of only an hour definitely means she pput him down too soon.
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Hi again so yesterday evening I took my lo to see the doctor because he had developed a constant wheeze, good job I did because he told me to take him to hospital. We were at hospital from 6pm-10pm and they had to give him an inhaler to help his wheeze and to get his oxygen levels back to normal. Then after a while he picked up a little bit so they gave us the option of staying so they could monitor him or to take him home where we could monitor him regularly and to give him his inhaler every 3/4 hrs. We decided to take him home because he just would not go to sleep at hospital and he was exhausted. He was awake from 5.00p.m yesterday until 11.00 last night with 5 minute catnaps now and then. We had a terrible night he was waking constantly because he could not settle. He did manage to have some sleep but it was not good sleep if you know what I mean. He woke at 7.15a.m this morning so I gave him his bottle but hes finding it difficult to drink them at the moment. At 8.00a.m he looked shattered and I tried putting him down to sleep but he wouldn't go. I've just put him down at 10.00a.m so fingers crossed he'll have a good nap and get back on track. I'm thinking if he has two good naps today I'll put him to bed at 7.00p.m and he can catch up on his sleep. Do you think I should have put him straight back to bed after his bottle this morning? Should his A Time be as long?
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it's hard when they're sick. when my lo had croup (we had a similar experience with going to hospital etc but were there for over 7 hours and very little sleep, home in the middle of the night at 2 am etc) she slept almost all of the day the next day. she would wake up for an hour and then sleep for 3 hours, wake up for an hour, sleep for 2 hours. and she was 18 mo. so just put him down when he looks tired. don't worry about the A time, he'll need to catch up on sleep.
hugs :-* :-*
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Just thought I'd fill you in on how things are going yesterday his routine looked like this:
Awake 7.15a.m
Sleep 10.00-11.40a.m
Sleep 2.30-4.00p.m
Bed at 7.00p.m
So he had two naps yes finally got there! and he slept until 7.00a.m this morning with 1 night waking at 5a.m where I gave him his dummy and he went straight back to sleep. I was a very happy mummy this morning! it's like that was my Mother's Day present.
I hope this continues with the two naps because thats what he obviously needs. Do you think if one of his naps are too short I should give him a 30 min catnap between 4-5. I think when I have him I will probably be able to stick to this routine but when he is at nursery or grandparents sometimes they don't even though I tell them what time I would like him to go to sleep and sometimes when he is elsewhere his naps arent as long.
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great!
i think if you keep doing this at home and he gets used to the 3 hour A time then it will be easier for the other caregivers to do the same with him. if he wakes from nap #2 earlier than 3:30 then he would need another nap. if he wakes at 3:30 do a 6:30 bedtime, if he wakes earlier like at 3 then a 20-30 min catnap around 5 and bed a bit later, like 7. A time after a really short nap is very short.
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Today his first nap went great from 10.00-11.40 , we went out and his 2nd nap started at 2.30 and he woke at 3.00 tried everything but he wouldnt go back off i think he had an upset stomach (diarrhoea)so I give him a catnap at 4.50-5.20 do you think that's alright? Then I'm intending on putting him to bed at 7pm is that long enough?
Will let you know how things go, I think your right about him getting used to 3hr A time then slowly he will get used to naps at that time it's hard though to stay in the house for both naps but I will try and do it as much as possible.
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if he's sleeping well for night and goes down easily for naps then it's fine to do 2 short naps in the afternoon, but usually what happens is that they fight one of the naps or fight bedtime or wake early due to too much sleep/not enough A. so watch him and adjust your routine accordingly. it's easier when they're on 2 naps because A time is longer and naps are easier to plan around (more consistent) so you can get out and do something while they're awake and then it's not so bad to be in while they're napping.
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What A Time does LO do at 9 months I'm trying to plan ahead so we dont fall into ew poor naps again on here it says between 8-10 months A of 3-4 hrs?
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you can check out the EASY forum for sample routines. really everyone does something slightly different because all los are different and sleep needs are different.
my 9.5 o is doing this (low sleep needs):
7 awake
11-12:30 sleep
4:30-5 sleep
7:30 bed
sttn 11 to 11.5 hours.
she has 4 hours A time now except after the catnap.
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The last two mornings he has been back to normal after a catnap of 30 mins on Sunday he woke at 6.10a.m Monday and yesterday I did not give him a catnap because he woke at 3.30 after a 1 hr 10 nap (lots of stirring) I intended to put him at bed at 6.30 but he was refusing his bottle and then he had diarhoea so he didnt get to bed until 7.00p.m so he was stirring alot during the night and finally woke up around 5.30-6.00 on/off.
I'm thinking maybe he can only sttn for 11 hours.
I have noticed that when I'm keeping him up for 3hr A Time there's lots of stirring throughout his naps do you think could mean A Time is too long, he yawns alot so its hard to tell when hes truly tired.
What time do you suggest catnap if he wakes at 3? after 1hr 10mins because he seems to be having alot of naps this length lately, is it a true nap? Today he woke at 3.05 after 1 hr 10 mins and seemed shattered so I put him down at 5pm for 30 mins, don't know what time to put him down for bed 7.00/7.30p.m?
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a 1 hour 10 min nap usually means ut and he can handle more A time before it. how long A time is he doing before a 1 hour 10 min nap?
did he go to sleep at 5 for 30 min or did he fight the catnap?
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Hi there, I have locked the post in NW so we can keep all advice in one place for you here on General Sleep.
11 hours STTN is fine, a lot of LO's only ever do 11.
With the refusing bottle, diarrhea, and restless naps it sounds like teething to me...any chance?
So his 1 hr 10 naps could be UT but he's having a hard time with the A times because he's not feeling grand due to teeth.
1 hr 10 naps are not the worst but too many of these shaved naps consecutively cause issues with OT.
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He did 2 hr 45 before the nap yesterday and we got a 1hr 10 nap and on Sunday he did the same and I only got a 30 mins nap. Can't figure out what A he needs to do at the moment. I think he is getting another tooth coming through.
Yesterday I gave him a catnap from 5.00-5.30, he didnt fight it went straight down and was grumpy when I woke him. I put him down at 7pm and he went to sleep until 5.50a.m, it justs means with these early mornings that he needs 3 naps to make it through until I can increase his A Time. When I am giving him 3hr A he always seems shattered, although he often yawns sometimes straight after a nap sometimes an hour later so its hard to tell.
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yawns don't mean much at this age. just keep pushing it by 5 min every few days. at this age my lo wasn't totally consistent with her naps yet either. i would do the same A time and get completely different results. it does get easier as they get older. then the sleep window isn't so short. kwim?
if you are giving him a 3rd nap anyway have you tried letting it go a little later and then putting him to bed a bit later to see if he will sleep in the next day. i mean if he will only do 11 hour nights and you don't want him up before 7 then you should aim for an 8 pm bedtime.
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Thats what I was doing prior to this and we were getting 5.30-6 a.m wake ups. I had a thought today, our clocks go forward in 2 weeks so hopefully it will all change then and we will be gettin 7am wake ups 8pm bedtime
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oh..where are you? our clocks went ahead last saturday. lo has already adjusted herself even though i was trying hard to keep her on a later schedule. back to 6:30 wake ups :P at least she just plays in her crib quietly until 7.
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Yesterday night he woke at 1.30a.m coughing so I gave him his dummy which usually helps him go straight off after 1/2 hour he was moaning and didnt seem that he was going to settle so I went into his room smelt his bottom and realised he had diarrhoea. I had to take him downstairs to change him and I think he was a bit confused when I took him back upstairs because he wanted a bottle. He cried for a about 10 mins then settled I next heard him at 5.00a.m and my parnter put his dummy in then he was on/off again until 6.00a.m, I didn't realise but he had diarrhoea again poor little thing. He would not settle after that change so was up for the day. I dropped him off at nursery today and am expecting bad naps we'll have to wait and see.
My question is he has not had a bottle during the night since he was three months old and I don't want to start giving him one now incase he starts to expect it regularly, do you think that's fair?
Any adive to help diarrhoea would also be much appreciated. I'm giving the doctor a stool sample tommorrow to see if we can find out whats causing this.
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ohoh diarrhea. well if he's sick that would explain the nws. at 7 mo diarrhea may just mean that he ate less solids and his poo is more runny because of more milk consumption/less solids. but if it's a lot or very often and he seems sick - fever etc, check with the doc for sure.
if he hasn't had a bottle at night for a long time then he probably doesn't need one but if he's sick and not eating well during the day then he may genuinely be hungry. i don't think it's a problem to give one every once in a while in special circumstances, it probably won't become a problem and if it does you will be able to get him bck on track easily.
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He keeps waking between 5-5.30 after 10 hr nights now and I need to change him then because he is having diarhoea reguarly, but after he will not go back to sleep which means the days are starting very early so the first nap is starting no later than 9am which means even with two good naps we are not getting near 3pm so are often needing that 30 min catnap (He has been trying to fight it last three days but I managing to squeeze it in as he is swaddled still.
Gave the doctor sample of diarrhea yuk! yesterday so should get results back on Monday. He also has appointment at hospital on wednesday so they can do tests on him to try and find out what is causing his wheeze and constant cough, I'll keep you posted.
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Keep us posted and sending you lots of {{{get well vibes}}} :-*
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Yesterday he had two 2 hr naps which meant we could skip the catnap and bed for 7pm. This morning he woke at 4.30a.m I put his dummy in and he talked and moved around until 5.10 so I got him up and changed him then decided to see if he wanted a bottle which he did then he went back off at 5.45a.m until 7.15 when I woke him.(Do you think I should have woke him then).
So his next nap I put him down at 10.15a.m and he was very twisty, seemed overtired although didnt show signs of overtiredness in his wake time. Now I will wait to see when he next wakes up, haven't got my hopes up though.
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if he managed 3 hours A time and did a long nap with no intervention then i'd say it was fine. 3 hours is right for his age so if he can do it with just a little push and he continues to have long naps then it's great. if he starts with 30 min naps then reduce it a bit.
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Hi wondered if you could help-last night he woke at 1.00p.m and would not settle.
My parnter checked his nappy, it was fine then finally gave in after 1hr30mins of whining/crying and gave him a bottle. The problem is he has never had a bottle during the night since he was 3 months old and I dont want this to be a new regular thing.
The clocks are going forward tonight and I was hoping for that to help us get back on track.
Questions:
How would you deal with these night wakings?
Do you think he may be going through a growth spurt, teething? (He had medicine and teething gel when he went to bed.)
I am going to try and give himmore milk and food today since his appetite seems to be getting better.
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teething is hard. if you gave him another dose of medicine at 1 am and it wasn't working i don't think it was a bad thing to give him a bottle.
my lo is teething now too and hardly eating anything and last night she woke up at 8:30 pm (after 8 oz bottle and bed at 7pm) and was screaming (not like her) and nothing i was doing could settle her so i gave her a bottle and she took another 5 oz and went back to sleep until morning. so obviously she was hungry from not eating during the day. she never gets a bottle at night either but teething is different. if he's not eating enough during the day and his teeth are bothering him and givign a bottle will help and make him go back down then i think it's ok . once in a while is not going to make a habit of it. and if he gets a bit off track while teething it will be easy to get him back on track once teething is over because you have put in the hard work of sleep training before.
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Wondered if you could advise me on something.
My LO has an appointment in 5 weeks at the hospital, the problem is the only time they could give me was 10.00a.m by then he will be 9 months so will be working towards 3.5 A Time so I figured if he woke at 7.00a.m his next nap would be at 10.30a.m so I could give him his nap if he gets seen straight away. However if he wakes earlier say 6, 6.30 don't know what to do. He really needs to go to this appointment but I don't want his routine messed up. Any advice greatly received!
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hi
well it's 5 weeks away so don't worry about it yet, his routine will be different by then for sure. i find i try to plan these things and even if you get a time that does work with their schedule they go and do a really ew or have a bad night and it all gets thrown anyway! it never seems to go how i plan...
yes that time will be hard to work with ...but it's important to go to the appointment and it's only 1 day so ultimately it'll work out and he can get back on track after the appointment. if you think it'll be a problem you can always wake him up early that day and try to have a little nap on the way there or let him sleep in and maybe it'll work out.
i think i'd lean towards the nap before because more often than not they are late at these things...like if you woke him at 6 and then went early put him in the carrier and walked around so he had a nap on you then you could just wait in the waiting room with him asleep and wake him up when it was time for the appointment and even if they're late he could just keep sleeping until it was time. kwim?
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Hi I'm just wondering if you might be able to answer my question. I have been looking at sample 8 month schedules on here and quite alot of the schedules have a long A Time of up to 4 hours before bed for 8 months old. Do you think that's okay? I panick when my LO wakes before 3.30 because I think that he will get overtired, yet there seem to be lots of other lo's waking at around 3-3.30 and not going to sleep until 7pm.
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well at 8 mo i think my lo was doing about 3.5 hours A time first thing but we had short nap issues...
so at 8 mo she was doing this (usually):
7 awake
10:30-12 nap
3:30-4:15 nap
7 bed
i wouldn't push a 4 hour A time before bed if he's usually doing only 3.5 hours. 4 hours is a bit long for 8 mo. also depends on the length of the nap. my lo only did a short nap for her second one so her last A time was always the shortest. sometimes though lo can do the last A time the longest. my lo seems to do first and second A times about the same and then a lot shorter for the last one.
if his A time is only 3 hours then i wouldn't push it at all before bed and i would aim for bed to be about 3 hours after he wakes from the last nap. so if he wakes up at 3 pm i would be having him in bed by 6 ish. if he wakes at 3:30, bedtime is 6:30. i did this a lot and never had a set bedtime, just went by how long she was awake after her last nap. this of course changes as they get older...you didn't say how long your lo is doing now for A time? at 8 mo it should be between 3 and 3.5 hours.
that was a bit of rambling...
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He is doing first a time of 3 hrs then 2nd a time of 3-3.5 hrs then depending on last nap 3-3.5hrs a time, he has just turned 8 months.
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that sounds about right. juts remember that it's a constant increase in A time slowly between now and when they go to 1 nap. so if in a couple weeks it's not working you probably have to increase it again. also if he does a short nap decrease the following A time a bit.
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Yesterday looked like this
6.00 Woke
9.00-11.00 Sleep
2.10-3.30 Sleep
7.00 bed
Then he woke at 5.30 (I think) this morning thats when I first heard him, cant understand why hes still waking early, no night wakings. He had dirtied his nappy so I changed him, gave him his bottle and he went back off from 6.15-7.00a.m
This morning I took him up to his nursery at 9.20a.m because he was showing tired signs and I wanted to give him enough time to settle (day 1 of no swaddling for naps/nighttime he has already got used to this) and he got very upset finally went off at 9.45 but I'm not expecting much.
What do you think about these early wakings still? I don't mind 6.00a.m so much although would prefer closer to 7, but cant understand why hes still having these early morning wake ups, when we have moved him onto two naps
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i'm not sure...has he always woken up early? it may be that he needs a bit of time to get used to the new schedule and then when he settles in he will start sleepign longer at night. your routine you posted looks fine, nothing really that needs a tweak. ews can mean that he needs less day sleep or more (ot can cause ew) or that he's just wired to be an early waker. what i have found is that they do go through phases of times on things. so just because he is ew now doens't mean that he always will. dd1 has had ews on and off but now she is consistently sleeping until 7 am, dd2 never had ews but had nws instead.
i would continue with what you're doing for now. keep the A time at 3 hours, not less and see if it settles on it's own.
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The last three days have been a nightmare the day before he slept a total of 1 1/2 hrs in the day yesterday he slept 1hr 45 day sleep and today's routine has been like this. During the night he sleeps fine until 5.00a.m.
5.00 wake
6.45-7.15 sleep
9.30-9.55 sleep
11.45-12.30 sleep
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He's having diarrhoea up to 10 times a day, so that is disturbing his sleep. The doctor said yesterday I should either stop milk or try soya milk until his tummy is better. Don't know what to do, he will go mad if I take him off his milk.
He's figthing sleep all the time, he's very overtired and things are getting worse. He is going to sleep without his swaddle blanket but cannot stay asleep. How do I get out of this cycle I'm starting to get really down about everything.
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well it's really tough when they're sick. i'm sure things will get back to normal when this bug passes. when my dd has had diarrhea in the past the docs always say go off milk as it can make it worse. so we always do soy milk which dd takes fine. but he's pretty young. could you try soy formula? he's too young for milk isn't he? they make soy formula and formula that doesn't have any milk protein in it for babies who are milk protein intolerant (MPI). i would try that and see if it makes a difference. diarrhea can last a really long time...dd1 had it for 3 weeks when she was 18 mo - i was up every night for 3 weeks changing sheets because she would have really bad diarrhea that would leak through. ugh. and the docs said yeah it's fine it';; pass as long as she's not dehydrated which is the worry. so you should push the water and fluids too. hugs. tough to have a sick lo.
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Hi sorry I havent had time to talk for a while my lo has been very ill again very wheezy,still has diarrhoea and a constant nasty cough. His sleep is all over the place becuase as soon as I put him down he wakes 5 minutes later coughing and cant get back to sleep.
I've tried everything taking him out for long walks, letting him sleep in carseat/pushchair but he seems in lots of pain. The doctor gave him steriods yesterday but they dont seem to be helping yet. He only had about 1 1/2 hr sleep yesterday during the day and most of that he was coughing.
Today he woke at 5.00a.m after very restless night, lots of coughing. So we went to hospital and they gave us a new inhaler but he didnt end up going to sleep until 11.10a.m-12.40 and that was only because I went back to swaddling him, I put him down for his next nap at 3.25 what time do you think I should wake him?
Do you think I should keep swaddling him for his naps until he gets better because he seems to be able to sleep better with it?
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Sorry forgot to say I dont know what time to put him to bed with him having this late nap, any thougths?
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IMO if they are sick the routine goes out the window because they need so much more sleep when they are sick. so i wouldn't wake him up from naps and i would just follow cues. if he looks tired put him down. especially if his nights are really bad due to coughing etc i would let him make it up during the day if he will. if swaddling helps yes i would do it and if raising the head of the bed helps you could try that too. sometimes a bit of elevation helps with congestion.
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Hi Brenda my little one is doing a lot better, he still has diarhoea but wheeze and cough is reducing. I wondered if you would look at my routines for the last two days and tell me what you think, he's still waking up early in the morning.
Yesterday
Woke 5.30a.m after 7.30 bedtime (10 hours)
Changed nappy and went back to sleep at 6.30-7.00
Nap 1 9.35-11.35
Nap 2-2.40-4.00
Bed 7.00p.m
Today
Woke at 5.00a.m fell back asleep 5.30-6 then I gave bottle and changed nappy
He fell back asleep from 6.45-7.30a.m
Nap 1-He fought this when I tried to put him down at 10.00a.m and didn't go to sleep until 10.25-12.15
Nap 2-Appeared very tired before this nap-3.15-ongoing but I feel this may be short
What time do you think for bedtime if he has short nap 30-45mins?
Or what time if he has nap over 1 hour?
I still think he can only sleep 11 hours a night and it seems when he is coming into light sleep around 5a.m this is when he fills his nappy and cant get back to sleep. Ideally his bedtime would be 8pm like it used to wen he had his catnap, but and dont know if I dare push it back that late again, possibly could today if he sleeps long enough for this nap.
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how old is he now?
i think you are aiming for 3 hours A time? so if he only does a short nap then A time would be maybe 2.5 hours but try to watch him. with bubs who don't do more than 11 hours night sleep then you really need to aim for bedtime of 7 at the earliest otherwise you are going to be up early and they're not going to go back to sleep because they're ready to be up.
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He ended up doing a nap of 1 hr 10 mins for last nap which took us to 4.30p.m, then bdetime was 7.30p.m and he fell asleep at 7.45.
He was up at 12.30 but went back off with dummy, then 4.00, then I next heard him at 5.40a.m, so I got him up at 6.10 after no sings of settling gave bottle, changed nappy then he wouldnt go back to sleep.
I'm not sure when he is dirtying his nappy during the night, its hard to tell when your half asleep, maybe it is when is waking up between 12.30-1 and thats why hes not settling much after that. Do you think I should get him up when he cries around 12.30-1? if I do I know he'll expect a bottle because I've got him up, dont want to feed because he'll expect it and then he'll probably dirty nappy again.
Do you think I should just change him then lay him back down if I need to ?
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Forgot to say he is nearly 8 1/2 months.
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This morning he went to sleep for nap 1 at 9.20 and is still asleep 2 hrs later, so you think it is because he can handle more A Time (nearly 4 hours this mroning) or he needs this long nap because of the early morning wake up and night wakings?
Don't know how long A Time to give him before next nap 3hr, 3h15 or more?
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ok he's 8.5 mo yes i think you need to increase his A time. at least 3.5 hours. if he's done 4 hours and given you a nice long nap then that is a sign that he's ready for more. up to 4 hours for sure, wouldn't go longer than 4 hours. maybe between 3.5 and 4 hours.
my lo always did a medium A time then long A time then short A time. A time will vary during the day and you have to work out what he likes. some do short A time first and progressively longer with a long A time before bed. depends on nap lengths and your lo. can't help you there, it's trial and error but i will say he needs to be doign longer than you were doing. it's a keep up game at this stage as A time constantly increases until they go to 1 nap. if he d id a 2 hour nap then he can probably handle the same A time that he did first thing.
re the poopy diaper. if you know he's poopy then i would change him and put him back down. my los never pooped at night after they started on solids (unless they were sick) but i think that's what i would do, hard to expect them to sleep if you know they're uncomfortable.
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I dont understand him today he woke 5.45a.m after quite a few night wakings,(I think) so I put him down at 9.15 for nap which he seemed very tired, I was right he only slept 30 mins, so I put him down 2 1/2 hrs later and another 30 mins nap, I'm onto nap 3 now and not hopeful.
Could it be that he had too much sleep yesterday 3 1/2 hours? That caused night wakings?
He went to bed last night after 3 1/2 A Time.
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Could it be that he had too much sleep yesterday 3 1/2 hours? That caused night wakings?
could be , that's a lot of nap time for his age. should be max 3 hours, my lo at 8.5 mo was doing 2 hours 15 min total naps.