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EAT => Food Allergies => Topic started by: huntersmummyinoz on April 18, 2010, 05:04:00 am
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hi, looking like ds2 has MPI maybe MSPI, yet to test that one yet. would love some ideas/brands of MSPI safe foods in australia, especially anything that is a quick/easy meal and yummy stuff to replace all the nice things i cant eat. MIL has arrived so will finally have some time to get out and stock up so appreciate any help :-*
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bumpity bump bump.
surely there are some aussie mums out there dealing with this...
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In NZ www.mfd.co.nz is really useful. Don't know if you have something similar?
You'll probably have some of the same brands but if using mfd I'd check the ingredients on the actual packet to make sure the recipe is the same in both countries if that makes sense?
Also, I know there are some Aussie mums on these boards:
http://www2.everybody.co.nz/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=6
http://www2.everybody.co.nz/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=2
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HI]i Luv ;)
Butter - nuttelex (supermarket)
Bread - anything from a proper baker basically. Not bakers delight, soy flour is in most of their stuff.
Dessert- sorbet
Coconut rice pudding and coconut custard - dessert that I roder from the local thai restaurant
SAgo with coconut milk - buy the sago grains, cook with hot water drain, then add coconut milk
anything like pancakes, pikelets, batter, porridge can be made with rice milk. Doesn't taste too bad. deep fried apple slices in batter is so nice with cinnamon spinkled on top. i have been eating rolled brown rice porridge from health food shop, as it is gluten free , is yummo!
Mash potato is fine with rice milk and nuttelex
Make a huge pot of chicken soup, boil a whole raw chicken for the stock and add rice, ginger, lemon grass, herbs and root vegetables. Take the chicken out and get all the meat off, throw back into the soup.
Oat milk from supermarkets is yummy and creamy if you are not gluten free
add more later!
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Have been there in the last year, still ther for DS2. Basically I cooked from scratch most of the time so didn't have too much processed food.
Crackers - you would be surprised how many have milk in them!
Veri Deli Original with Sea Salt (blue box) - all the other flavours contain milk .
Always Fresh Italian Grissini.
Biscuits - Paradise malt biscuits
Rice cakes or corn cruskits (all other types have milk)
Bread I get from an organic bakery.
Most brands of hummous are OK but I check just in case.
Home made guacamole
Chocolate: Lindt 70% dark chocolate or Whittakers 70% Dark Ghana
To replace honey soy marinade for chicken - use equal parts of balsamic vinegar and maple syrup. Works best with chicken peices on the bone with skin.
Nothing wrong with meat, veg and rice or pasta for a quick meal!
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Yes I ate corn chips and guacamole avocado, salt, pepp, and lemon juice for a snack today, yummo.
Oh and have found the BEST cereal from coles: "Mulitgrain O's with Quinoa" they are gluten, dairy,. yeast and soy free. They are vegan. They are like fruit loops (seriously), but healthy ;D Sooooo nice with rice milk. Jarrah loved them sooo much he was scooping them out my bowl with his hands whilst he had a mouthful..
Its basically BBQ foods mainly with roasted veges, potato or rice. To make rice more interesting add a dash of coconut milk whilst its cooking.
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thanks for all the great ideas ladies, you are fabulous! meant i didnt have to read quite so many labels at the shops today as i knew what products to search for. am now trialling gluten free too just to complicate things further ::) i'm finding it is almost harder to avoid soy than milk, amazed at what stuff it is hiding in.
lan, loving the honey soy substitute and bought ingredients to make eloys's ckn soup too. i also found some rice noodles in the cold section (with fresh pastas) that look more substantial than the dry rice noodles (vermicelli, etc) that i thought would be food for stir fries. will let you know if they are any good!
eloys, are the multigrain o's in the regular cereal section or health food section? i picked up some dairy/soy/gluten free muesli and also some muesli bars today that looked good, will let you know if they are tho.
edesanja, that site is fabulous! havent found an aussie site similar yet but will keep searching but i'm sure if i hunt thru that list it will help too. will check out the boards you linked to as well.
thanks again everyone, keep ideas coming if you find more :-*
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ooh, how exciting, just noticed we've been stickied ;D
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;D better put all our ideas on here then!
Lan thanks so much for the honey soy substitute, I have been suffering for what to put on marinade, seeings that since Kai is such a newborn I really can't do garlic or onion either.
Kirry, the cereal was in the health food section with all the gluten free flours and grains. Also if you are into it for gluten free - rolled brown rice instead of oats for porridge is really yummo with cinnamon and brown sugar and rice milk.
If you are doing gluten free, watch out on the sorbets - alot have wheat in them :( Let us know about the museli bars. Can also eat vorn based biscuits - cruskits.
Last night I baked some salmon in aluminium foil parcels in the oven with slices of lime, ginger and coriander. I left the top of the parcel with a big space so that there was air in the parcel so everything could steamaway. It took about 10 mins to cook at 180 C. I used to do it with soy sauce which balances everything perfectly, was really missing that. Worth trying with the balsamic vinegar next time. Served with rice - as there are nice juices to go on the rice, and steamed veg.
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I was gluten free for a while too - that was the hardest!
Other MSPI biscuits are McVities digestives - original flavour.
For gluten free - orgran does a really good range, I really like their brown rice vegie pasta spirals and penne - still use them sometimes! They also have some nice corn crispbreads - crispibites. Either in the heath flood section of woolies/coles or health food shops.
I use a mix of fish sauce, sugar and lemon or lime juice in stir fries instead of soy, so more Thai style.
Coconut milk is good for marinating chicken or making curries instead of yoghurt, you can even make white sauce with it that tastes OK! Really good substitute fro milk in dessert recipes, For cakes you need to water it down though. Get the tinned stuff, not the coconut cream in blocks, think that has milk in it.
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Oh and I forgot to mention - Wagners complete calcium was the best calcium supplement that I found. After a few months Bfing I also found I needed a riboflavin supplement - but I have problems absorbign B vitamins so that might just be me.
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didnt realise all the controversy around oats for gluten free! so i guess safest is to exclude them for a while too.
Lowan Rice Porridge with orchard fruits - gluten and mspi free. make it with a 1/4 cup less liquid than stated tho and much nicer made with all rice milk rather than milk and water as suggested. quite nice but i found needs honey for sweetening.
Muesli Breakfast Bars Freedom Foods - gluten and mspi free. pretty tasty (dh reckons they taste 'healthy' ha ha) and great for a bfing snack or even for breaky when running after your toddler ;)
snack last night (when everyone else was eating a cheese platter ::) ) smoked salmon and capers on corn cruskits.
sorbets and gelati i found all had vegetable gum :(
lan, how do you make the coconut white sauce? was soooooo good to have some of that dark lindt choc last night ;D
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lunch - wrap with bbq ckn with alfalfa and homous
- Mum's Choice Homous has no vegetable gum, some other brands do
- wraps are by Freedom Foods (gluten, wheat and dairy free), a little dry but the closest thing i can find to a 'bread' product for now. would be good lightly toasted and cut up with dips, suggests can be used as thin pizza base too.
lunch yesterday - gluten free penne pasta with smoked salmon, avocado and other salad ingredients, tossed together with balsamic dressing
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have any of you found a mayonaisse that is safe? or know of a substitute? the ones i looked at yesterday all had vegetable gum :(
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Do you have Best Foods mayonaise? Delish! http://www.bestfoods.co.nz/products/BestFoodsRealMayonnaise/tabid/31925/Default.aspx
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What's the deal with vegetable gum? Why can't you eat that?
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vegetable gum is a soy product. will look for that mayo.
OMG i made the coconut milk/jelly crystals ice-cream, sooooo yummy, i'm going to go and have another. that was your recipe wasnt it edesanja??
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Kirry, your lunch sounds lovely!
When we have been gluten free for a while, we can trial very low gluten containing wheat such as Spelt and Kamut grains and see how they go. My baker makes sourdough spelt, so that will be yeast free too - I personally think yeast is a problem for Kai as it causes fermentation of the gut. Anyway these grains apparantly ( I am quoting from my osteopath) are ancient and not genetically modified and contain about 4% gluten, where as the genetically modified crap in most breads is 18% gluten. He thinks thats why so many people these days have a problem with as gluten, we are overloaded.
Did I mention sago pudding? Cook sago in water, simmer till the grains go clear. stay with it stirring constantly otherwise they clump... strain and put in a bowl then add heated brown sugar and coconut milk to taste. Add dessicated coconut and chopped mango on top.
If you can find it apparantly there is brand of gluten free bread called SOL which is very nice particularly the pumpkin bread. I Have not seen it at woolies or coles, or my health food shop. But its out there somewhere.
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Cocnut milk white sauce - bascially you jsut replace the milk with coconut milk! If yo uare usign really thick stuff you might need to water it down a bit - hard to give directinos as all the brands are different.
I used to get a sourdough rice bread (from a company based in Sydney) that was actually pretty good made into toast - can't remember the name of it now though.
Ice cream made with coconut milk is really yummy too!
My LO never had a problem with soy lecithin or vegetable gum because the amounts were so small and it was so refined. Might be worth a try?
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yeah Kirry I was thinking the same about the vegetable gum, put it at the top of the list for first things to try once you are confident that you really are dairy, soy and gluten free.
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paed wants me to trial soy soon in a reasonable amount to see if there is a reaction, and if all good then 2 weeks later trial cow's milk again. if not good, then exclude all for a few weeks again and start with low level soy like lecithin and veg gum etc. tbh i feel he thinks i am overreacting with the food stuff but i've seen a definite difference, whether it is just cow's milk i need to exclude or more things i dont know. time will tell i guess, super scared about trying cow's milk again tho, that was a horrid 3 days last time! but paed thinks it could be that his med dose wasnt high enuf and it was just a reflux episode and we wont know until trialing again which makes sense i guess. would be nice if it's not and i can eat normal food again, certainly developing a whole new appreciation of food after all this!
to trial soy then, if i dont drink soy milk do i just have soy sauce or something?? would that be high enuf up the list to give a definitive result?
sago pudding sounds lovely, will look out for those breads too. i find i'm getting used to excluding dairy but the no bread thing is hard.
elo, i was also thinking yeast could be a prob here, i had a ginger beer on thurs and the next day was horrid.
is vegetable oil safe? as in can you assume that it's canola or sunflower or something and not a soy issue?
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I just used olive oil in most things.
For the soy challenge, I tried the Asian style soy milk (tastes better than So good etc) and he had a worse reaction than to the milk! Same when a restaurant accidentally added soy sauce to a dish when I asked them not to.
TBH I would exclude everything for 2 weeks and START the soy challenge with things with soy lecithin in them. Try for 3 days then move onto the soy milk. At least if he reacts to the soy milk you might still be able to have the lecithin, like me. Soy lecithin is in so many things!
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vegetable gum is a soy product. will look for that mayo.
OMG i made the coconut milk/jelly crystals ice-cream, sooooo yummy, i'm going to go and have another. that was your recipe wasnt it edesanja??
Interesting about the vegetable gum. With DD I only had to avoid dairy while feeding her, but once on solids she couldn't eat soy. I looked out for heaps of variations of soy, but have never even seen vegetable gum on ingredient lists!
Yip, that was my recipe. Good, huh?! It's the kind of recipe you still want to make even after you can eat dairy again!
Another yummy version of sago is this:
Lemon Sago
1 cup sago
3 cups water
juice and rind of 2 lemons
3 Tablespoons brown sugar
3 Tablespoons of golden syrup (don't know if you have this in Oz - in the US they'd probably use corn syrup)
Put sago and water in a pot, bring to the boil until thick and sago dissolving
Add lemon juice, sugar and syrup
Pour into wetted glasses
Refridgerate (although I really like it warm too)
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I can't imagine why vegetable oil would be anything other than what you said, safe stuff.
I am a bit rusty in the soy dept, however: - If you try soy sauce and are ok it doesn't mean that soy milk is ok. So trialling soy sauce on its own won't give a definitive answer, it will tell you that he doesn't have a severe or strong sensitivity to soy. But he might still react to the soy milk. So maybe start with the lower soy things first like soy sauce in one meal. If that's ok then try tofu a few days later, of that's ok then try the soy milk a few days later. If you try soy milk first and he has a reaction then you will have a horrid few days and then need to wait a week or two before to rid your system of the soy and thus a long delay before you can test again.
With Jarrah, I never got to the bottom of it for soy intolerance, soy sauce was fine, but I never tried tofu or soy milk.
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Wow, there are some really good ideas here :)
I found blood in Emory's stool today :( So I need to be really strict now with the milk and soy to see if that's all it is :(
It's Sunday here so I'll call the doc tomorrow.
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woolworths FreeFrom Gluten Free Potato Chips (this i why i asked about veg oil tho, as these say sunflower or canola oil in brackets after veg oil - taste good but cost about twice as much as smith's plain chips but they only say veg oil, surely they'd have to state if it had soy in it??)
i'm only 1.5kg away from my pre-preg weight with all these diet restrictions but think it's going to creep back up with all the yummy substitutes i am finding :P
edesanja, adding lemon sago ingredients to my shopping list, sounds delicious. never bought sago before, can you buy it in supermarket or would i need a health food store? (and DH scoffed the rest of the jelly/coconut ice-cream so def a hit)
hugs sherry, thinking of you both :-*
lan and elo, thanks will try the lecithin first. is vegetable gum the other one that they are more likely to tolerate? if so i might trial each one, 3 days for each and then do the soy sauce or milk test.
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Both my kids are wheat and dairy free (not gluten free, although often it is easier to use the gluten free products). DS is also soy intolerant, but we only exclude major sources like milk/yoghurt. He seems to be fine with soy IN products, including in home baking, and with nuttelex, so that intolerance is obviously much milder than the other two. I find normal recipes with the flour/butter/milk substitutes work best for us.
Here are some specific products from our cupboards right now....
Rice crackers - plain we eat with salsa, otherwise thai lime and coriander. I think tomato and balsamic is also ok, but kids find it a bit hot due to the balsamic
Ogran outback animal biscuits
Ogran Itsy Bitsy bears biscuits
Leda Choculence (like tim tams)
Ogran corn crispbread
Eskal Deli Crackers
Sweet William dairy free chocolate
Aribars (like LCM bars)
Freedom foods muesli bars
Kidscare rice rounds
Cool pack popped corn (10 pack)-
IGA gluten free pizza base mix
GF SR flour and plain flour
Rice cakes
Freedom foods pancake mix
Melindas choc fudge brownie packet mix
Deliciously free mud cake mix
Ogran easy bake bread mix
Well and good cookie mix
Well and good muffin mix
Taco kits (only the proper tacos, not the soft ones)
Patties (frozen section coles) - lamingtons, sausage rolls, veggie sausage rolls, bread, fish bites, crumbed fish fillets, chicken nuggets. This bread is the only gluten free one I have found that is also dairy free.
Go natural popcorn fruit bars
Minties/gummy bears/allens lollypops - all made with corn syrup instead of glucose, although a coeliac friend I have recently told me that wheat glucose is sufficiently removed from being wheat as to not have gluten in it (ie sooooo processed).
If you are working on it being intolerance, might I ask why gluten free rather than wheat free? Wheat is a more common intolerance than gluten (the top ones being wheat, dairy, soy, eggs, fish/seafood). Generally gluten is the culprit when coeliac is involved (dd has been tested via endoscopy, DS will be tested later this year). Because of this, they eat cornflakes and rice bubbles for breakfast. But for snacks (they don't like them with milk) they also have cocoa bombs and honey rings (from gluten free section).
For all of the above products, I have to shop at IGA, woolworths AND coles - frustrating but well worth it. IGA also has some popcorn, in family size chip bags, there is blue and green bags, the green backs are absolutely delicious - but I cannot remember the brand and we are out of these.
HTH
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Sherry: sorry to hear about the blood in his stools!
Rina: about the wheat -v- gluten I am not sure the difference, need to study it. Basically, we are trying to eliminate things that cause fermentation of the gut and promote the colic symptoms such as flatulence, loose squirting poos, green poos, intestinal spasm, irritability and pain of the abdomen.
So I have been advised to eat a low gluten, lactose and yeast diet. I have been told that small amounts of gluten should be ok to try after a while like spelt bread and Kamut grains of bread.
So do you think the cause of fermentation is only the wheat or is it the gluten??????
Kai first presented with a very fermentated gut, (colic) then it started seeming that it was reflux, so treating the lot. Also eliminating dairy and soy for MSPI, as that is commonly found with reflux bubs and my DS1 had it.
The other factor I am working on is fermentation of the gut due to lactose overload - oversupply
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If you have been advised to go for low gluten diet, you should be fine to simply eliminate wheat. Other products that are wheat free but not gluten free generally only contain "traces" of gluten - it is more about the processing plant and equipment being shared with products that contain gluten than about the product itself containing gluten iykwim. It does open up a few more products for you, like rolled oats for porridge. (And homemade anzac biscuits LOL). Just like if you eliminate milk proteins, you will automatically be on a low lactose diet.....you cannot eliminate lactose from your child if you are BF - there is lactose in human breast milk also.
The colic symptoms you describe both my kids had as babies and we have never eliminated ALL gluten from either of them - those symptoms are typical of ALL intolerances in babies, regardless of the source of the intolerance. In rarer cases, it can also present as constipation, which happened to my DD. Also ear infections, always being "snuffly" with runny nose etc, and exzema.
If you are BF, and there are "traces" of gluten in YOUR diet, then there will only be very very minute traces in your breast milk. Just something for you to think about. And since the amounts you will have in your diet will be few and far between, you will probably soon tell from simple observation. FWIW, I BF DS until he was 21 months!
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Eloys - do you take a probiotic supplement? You can get a dairy/soy free version from the chemist, Inner Health Dairy Free.
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yeah I am taking a probiotic supplement and calcium supp. Need to check the probiotic. I am not worrying about trace dairy or soy too much, so does that cover the probiotic?
Great news about the oats!! So oats aren't wheat then... gee i really need to brush up on my grains. NOt worries about traces of gluten, after all I am going to trial spelt wheat soon and see how that goes.
Yes bf'ing, I am find that the over supply is quite a factor in flaring up the reflux and colic symptoms, so overfeeding and lactose build up is something I'm trying to control a bit.
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hmmm i am taking calcium supp but not probiotic, may have to look into that. why is this recommended?
on vegetable oil, some stuff i was reading today says that undisclosed vegetable oil can often be soy oil... guess i will be getting those expensive potato chips and corn chips!
rina, thanks so much for that fabulous list! cant wait to try a few more things ;D
so if i'm looking for cause of an intolerance then i just need to cut wheat not gluten?? lactation consultant recommended gluten free trial after dairy free trial ???
he has major reflux symptoms - actual spit up dramatically reduced when cut dairy/soy, did glass of milk challenge and threw up/back arching etc all back for 72hrs, horrible poop, etc, he is on losec now and has improved a lot but still suspect something may be bugging him - poop smells horrid sometimes small mucousy strings and really watery blowout poops, still has occasional reflux sessions but nothing as bad as before. could just be reflux but would like to rule out possibility of food aggrivation.
anyone know off hand some products that contain soy lecithin or soy oil for testing soon?? tho other than spitting up again, how am i meant to tell if it is a problem as his poops dont seem quite right anyway??
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Kirry, from what I have learned this time around I would say that the poops sounds like food aggravation to me, esp mucuosy strings and blow out. Did you speak to Anne LC or are you referring to your original LC? Horrid smell is a tell tale sign of something although I don't know what. Maybe a sign of imbalance in gut bacteria - just a guess. If you got Anne in she would smell the poop and offer a suggestion.
Probiotic is for balancing the gut bacteria, because he is on the meds and also because his gut was so fermented, with the fermentation comes a build up and imabalance of bacteria that feed on all the fermenting things like extra lactose overload or the fermnenting yeasts and gluten foods. So the probitoic can help his little system restore a balance whilst in this fermented state.
If his poops don't seem quite right maybe wait a little longer with being on the diet and see if they get better? Then you can do a challenge. I am not sure, this is getting into difficult territory. The soy test though, I am guessing should produce symptoms similar to the dairy test, esp of you do with soy milk.
I have to admint his sympotms are getting alot better now that I have the full elimination diet and lactose overload from breastmilk measures in place. His symptoms of discomfort are more of the classic uppoer tract reflux symptoms as opposed to lower gut.
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In most cases of intolerance, there is an amount of a food that CAN be tolerated, however small. If you cut wheat, it will cut almost all gluten (but leave a few extra products open to you for consumption) and you should still see an improvement. I would check with your medical professional what they think of this, but with both my kids, after consult with the paediatric gastroenterologist, I was advised specifically cut wheat, not gluten.
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elo, no original LC, must get off my butt and call anne soon and see what she has to say. maybe a probiotic may help? cant hurt anyway.
rina, thankyou. am thinking of getting a referral to a gastroentorologist, we had a pretty violent reaction when i did the glass of milk test but paed isnt too concerned as there was no visible blood in his poop. my mum spoke to her gastroentorologist (she has reflux too) about his symptoms and he said he'd def be looking at poss food intolerances. like everything with bubs always soooo many diff opinions i gues ??? from your experience, does the poop sound like it could still be an intolerance? i know all bubs are diff but would love some more input.
also, dh realised tonight that we have been using stored milk for the df, so although that milk would be dairy/soy free, it's not wheat/gluten free yet...
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Yes, that poop does sound like intolerance poop to me. DS had that. DD did not, she had constipation.
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DS2 had mucusy poo too, at other times it was watery, green and foamy. It turned to normal BF baby poo after about a month of the elimination diet. After Idid the milk challenge he was back to Nwing and had poo that looked like spinach and ricotta cheese!
Soy lecithin is in everything, prob also the Lindt dark choc :( A lot of mayo has soy lecithin in it, check the labels. Soy oil is usually more of a problem in products from the US, it's not used so much in Oz made products. But a lot of babies can't tolerate soy but can take soy oil as most of the protein has been refined out.
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Just to put your mind at ease too, Kai's poos have gone back to lovely yellow with mustard seeds and thicker not squirty since Friday. Since that time I have been diligent with my breastfeeding stuff.
So I feel the food intolerances is settling, and its the reflux that is making him unsettled now. When I fell off the wagon with expressing last week, we got a poo with a green tinge and sugary smelling - meaning lactose overload. So the poos don't lie!
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mucousy poos I think are related to dairy and soy intolerance more than anything?
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thanks for all the input ladies, greatly appreciated :-* (prob should have started a diff thread on all that...)
lan, he has had a couple of screamer bf sessions and the only thing really diff that i ate that i could think of was the choc :( maybe it is the soy... i didnt think much of it because it said may contain traces of soy lecithin but maybe that is enuf.
going to have to go super strict on my diet again i guess.
elo, i was wondering about lactose overload too given what you guys are going thru but he hasnt had that sweet smelling poop in a few weeks, just really stinky ones. wonder if his medication (losec 2 x 2.5mg a day) would effect this ???
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He could also be sensitive to the choc itself unfortunately :( There was one brand of choc that used sunflower lecithin, a fair trade health food shop (expensive!) brand that I can't recall the name ATM. Not Green and Black's, another one.
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Emory's smell like rotten eggs, is this how Kingston's smell? Very sulfury.
Does that sound like dairy/soy intolerance?
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The choc would also have caffeine...could be that upsetting him too.
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the sulphury smell could be from the sulphury foods like eggs, broccolli, cauliflower, dried fruits
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I haven't been having any of those :(
Today was the first time in a week that I had eggs. And it's been like that for awhile. I cut broc and caul out because I thought I did notice a reaction to broccoli.
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sherry, not really sure how to describe it but just dont smell like those sweeter smelling bf poops.
interestingly, his poop has gone back to that sweeter biscuit type smell, no mucous in sight, for the last 3 days. so i'm thinking it's either the wheat/gluten that i have cut out or not having anymore choc but the choc was only a recent thing and the awful poops have been here for a couple of weeks...
am trying the soy challenge this weekend, got a new bottle of meds and dh is home so we will see what it brings! should i eat/drink just one thing or take it over the whole weekend? how long would you expect it to take for a reaction to show up? the milk challenge was pretty quick as in the next feed and for around 3 days he was spitting up heaps and unsettled but what if it is a more subtle intolerance?
new dessert idea
- coconut cream
- tin mango
blend and freeze, yummy ;D
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Kirry, I think the challenge is the same as the milk challenge, You should notice a reaction within the hour. If not, then the protein tolerated to an extent. It should come back up before being digested...
For a lesser intolerance I'm not sure prob drink a couple cups a day and see what happens, if symptoms build.. there must be a wesbite that within instructionms on how to do a food chellenge for soy.
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found a few things that say previous symptoms should present within a week or two, assume that would mean consuming it every day tho ??? if only my paed was more helpful ::)
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Intolerances can be hard to identify, it can take weeks. This is because it can take a build up - like my DS can tolerate soy milk in products and cooking, but can't eat soy yoghurt or drink soy milk, because quantity wise that is obviously more than his system can tolerate. You definitely will NOT always see a reaction within the hour. My DD, who is definitely dairy intolerant, gets a reaction to that within a couple of hours, however with wheat, it takes her about 24 hours to show any reaction.
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thanks rina, so i guess do the challenge for soy for a couple of weeks and see if any symptoms return? (unless of course they present sooner) and if they do you cut it out again and see if it disappears?
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Yes, that is how I would approach it. You will need to keep all other things constant while you do the challenge though.
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well big fail on the soy challenge, had a glass soy milk on sat morning, vomitting started that afternoon (not as much as with cow's milk but still more than usual) and by that night had green poops, mucous in them the next day. back to the strict diet for me. poop is back to normal today (wed) and spit up has settled but still fluxing in his throat. paed still wants me to do milk challenge again and well pretty sure we all know what's going to happen :(
anyway, new foods to add:
breads (from health food store) -
Naturis Organic Bread Gluten Free Buckwheat Loaf. i had to google that buckwheat is def not wheat, lol. this is dairy, soy, wheat and gluten free.
Dovedale Chia Bread (Dairy, Egg, Soy, Nut and Gluten Free), note it says soy free but it has Guar Gum. So i guess avoid it if your LO has a high level intolerance, but may be tolerated if lower level :-\
new muesli bar, from Coles, really yummy -
Food for Health, Gluten Free Bar (Gluten Dairy and Soy free)
Why is it that you cant have Guar or Xantham Vegetable Gums when they arent actually soy? Anyone know?
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Naturis - that was the bread I was thinking about! They also do/did a rice bread that I liked better than the buckwheat one.
I never avoided the gura/xantham gum and never had any problems.
Vita Weat have just put out a range of rice crakers - I think some of the flavours are dairy, soy, & wheat free. The plain ones would be OK i'm sure.
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Kirry, I'm sorry that these challenges are so painful for you guys :( Maybe if the PAED had been through this stuff himself he wouldn't be so quick to suggest another challenge! ( I am assuming here). I won't be doing a MSPI challenge for Kai, I am too traumatised by the reflux already. I would rather stay dairy free until he's onto solids. Besides, its actually doing wonders for my skin, its never been so clear!
BTW the PAED today said that I need to be having 1.2 g of calcium a day whoopsie I was only taking 500mg! At least I am getting 300mg in a glass of rice milk.
I think I need a new supplement, as that adds up to 4 tablets a day, and on top of my breastfeeding vitamin and probiotic its too many tablets!
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Is there such a thing as too many tablets? LOL. I myself currently take 6 per day, and I do not have a modified diet!
The tests when reintroducing foods are stressful - I was not encouraged once I removed the foods to try them so often though...is there any real need to try before 1 yr old? Or any more frequently than 6 monthly? I didn't even try dairy again when BF DS until he was 1 yr old. And now that it is all from solid food, the paed told us we only needed to try 6 monthly, and only if we wanted to - Zara is 4 now and not outgrown, they would be happy for me to try annually I think. With Hugh, since he still has reflux etc, re trying hasn't even been discussed and he has been off wheat AND dairy for almost 18 months!
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I wouldn't try it either :(
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I am going to have a read through for the gf ideas, and I need to read through the posts. I am on day 3 of going gluten free with H. (eyeroll) No change in the skin, as of yet... sometimes we get a couple of days in a row where it is better.
My mom picked up a gf book for baking; I made bread from it. I miss the taste of gluten, apparently. If I smother it with pb on the front and back, add apple butter (and some pumpkin puree for vit a), H eats it. It is this book: http://www.glutenfreebaking101.com/
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lets just say i am not happy with our paed >:( he still seems to think i am over the top about this as kingston doesnt have blood in poop and is gaining weight well, hmm well maybe that is because i keep eliminating the problem foods! he wants us to do milk challenge again to check before prescribing neocate. i will continue bfing for a while as it is what kingston needs but wanted the flexibility of a bottle or two a day as i cant express huge amounts. (takes 2 sessions to get a bottle, which i know isnt bad but just hard to fit in with a toddler!) seeing our gp on monday, he is away so cant get in any sooner and dont want to see another as this guy is really good with kids, will be getting referall to another paed i think and discuss seeing a paediatric gastroentorologist.
rina, did/do any of your LOs have trouble with vegetable gums? guar gum or xantham gum?
lan, will look out for those crackers and that bread. the chia bread is actually really nice too.
jean, have you cut out wheat before with H? maybe we should start a recipe thread for gluten, soy, dairy free. i made minestrone the other day with some nice rice vermicelli i found. also doing a lot of stir fries with some thick rice noodles i found in the cold section. am upstairs at the moment so will post names of these for the aussie ladies soon :-*
elo, the calcium tabs i am on i only need 2 for that amount. will post name later. (i have 8 domperidone to add to the tablet mix too! health nurse wants me to stay on them til 4mths but i am thinking of cutting back sooner, since being on them kingston hasnt not managed more than 3hrs between feeds even at night! could be coincidence but cant help but htink maybe it is speeding up his gastric emptying too and making him hungrier cos i know i am ravenous on these! actually wish i had of just stuck to expressing to up supply but hn pushed it and i was worried he would loose weight :( )
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No my kids had no trouble with the gums you asked about.
Re breast milk supply - I found fenugreek very helpful, and mothers milk tea (which can be found in healthfood shops). I think the most fenugreek I took was about 6 per day, but mostly I did fine with 4 per day. Beer is also useful (but most isn't gluten free??? you would need to check that) - I drank it while feeding Hugh - that way it wasn't in my milk yet, and had the longest period for the alcohol to disappear. Oats (ie porridge) is great for supply also, but you could try some cookies that have that in, like anzac biscuits? I make these for my kids, using a standard recipe, and simply substituting where required.
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Vita Weat rice crackers - the BBQ flavour is dairy and soy free, not sure about the others though. I think the plain has soy in it.
Quinoa is also meant to be good for stimulating milk supply, and good for gluten free.
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Kirry, I saw you posted about vegetable oil; I cut that too when doing soy/dairy free. I use safflower or sunflower oils. Safflower is much cheaper.
We have done gf trials before, but doing a longer trial one more time to ease my mind. Lots of good ideas!
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Kirry - is there any formula you can get over the counter?
This one over here is ok for almost all babies that have reflux do to milk protein allergy:
http://similac.com/baby-formula/similac-expert-care-alimentum
It's the one I'm going to try when I get my nerve up.
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Yep we did alimentum, too. Only formula that worked for us was hypoallergenic, and it was in the formula aisle. There are other brands that are hypoallergenic that seem to be a bit cheaper, I think. Alimentum is expensive. So, if your dr wants you to use it or suggests it, then maybe the insurance will cover it or part of it. ;-) Our dr actually had two sample cans they gave us; but it sounds like Kirry's doc may not be game.
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Hi everyone,
I'm cleaning up the FA board. Your topic is now here: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=170808.0
;D
-Tari
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there are over the counter hypoallergenic ones that are partially hydrolised (so proteins are only partially broken down), so will talk to gp about whether he thinks that is an option or not, if not will just go for neocate i guess which is prescription only.
thanks for all the supply tips, may start switching domperidone for fenugreek gradually. oatmeal might be one of the first 'gluten' foods i trial too.
elo, calcium supplement is Caltrate.
ogran rice and corn spaghetti noodles (great for filling out soups)
mr lee's kitchen asian rice noodles (in cold section with pastas at woolies)
dh found a sorbet with no vegetable gum too and the glucose is from maize (woolies)
gelativo strawberry sorbet
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ok ladies, do you ever eat out or get takeaway? if so what are some good options?
stool test done by gp showed high white blood cell count so he said it's pretty convincing milk and soy intolerance from my tests also. gave us script for neocate. now why couldnt our paed do that >:(
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Grilled fish and hot chips is a good one that I give my kids. Or go out for breakfast, so you can have bacon and eggs (cooked in oil not butter etc).
DD had the high white blood count in the stool, she also showed inflammation when her bowel was examined by ultrasound, and, later, endoscopy.
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Grrrr, Kirry. Hope things get better quickly.
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I found this page that I printed a while ago when going gluten free.
http://www.gicare.com/diets/gluten-free.aspx Perhaps there will be nothing new for anyone there.
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glad you got the script :)
I have discovered that Polenta is gluten free!
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http://www.choicesglutenfree.com.au/
found this fabulous gf bakery. it is in sydney so not sure of availability in rest of oz tho as is preservative free. i am in heaven and being gf certainly isnt all that bad now i have found this. bread that is actually suitable for sandwiches instead of cardboard type gf bread, pizza bases, bread rolls, paninis, garlic bread, even gf cake and pikelette mixes ;D
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Australian mums looking for ice blocks for their LOs for the summer: I found a range of ice blocks called Smooze - coconut milk and fruit flavours, you store them in the cupboard and pop some in the freezer for when you want them. Great because my freezer is always full! Passed the taste test of my 6 year old.
Dairy and soy free, natural flavours, no artificial colours etc.
I found them in Coles near the section with the fruit snacks etc with the other cupboard ice treats (not in the frozen goods). I got pineapple and coconut, there's also mango and coconut and a couple of other flavours (in the larger Coles)
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thanks Lan!
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The nice thing to know is the safe for the mayonnaise, and I've known that this is the best food that could be great substitute into other brand to be needed. This is safe during the pregnancy.
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thanks lan :-* funny as i just discovered them at the supermarket yesterday too. and they are delicious! now i just have to limit how many i freeze at once so i cant eat them all in one hit, lol!
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They must have just brought them out for the warmer weather (not that we are having any here ATM!)
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found some gluten soy and dairy free crackers that are quite nice (and dont taste like cardboard ;) )
'fantastic goodies' in the crackers and bbq shapes type section of woolworths.
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Kirry, did you find out whether choicesglutenfree rice loaf is ok to give to 7 month old bubs?
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elo, we are doing a wheat challenge soon, but if he fails she said i can try that. the ingredients are all on the low list :-*
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thanks luv :D
so to double check, you think that Kai can try it, as it does have sugar and salt in the bread (all the breads actually). Anyway talk soon for the latest diet goss!
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i got the go ahead for sugar and small amounts of salt in his diet. kingston is a little older than kai but i dont see why not?? just treat it like any other challenge i guess??