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EAT => Food Allergies => Topic started by: *Liz* on June 12, 2010, 10:32:14 am
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Quick question please :).
And I do apologise that it is poop related :-[.
But what does mucuous look like in BF poop? I keep thinking Megan has some in her nappy - but then I wonder if what I am seeing is normal for a BF babe.
She is also very windy and very difficult to settle. DS was a refluxer with suspected MPI (but never proven as he was old and refused hypoallergenic formula so we just medicated the reflux heavily), but Megan seems to have tummy ache and poop/ bottom wind issues and I am just wondering.
Thanks :-* :-* :-*
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My DD was (still is...) MSPI. For us, as a newborn she was very gassy. I never did see mucous in her BF poos. Their so loose anyway, but also I probably wasn't watching for it as a first time mommy without a clue. By 8 weeks I could see blood in her stool, so that clued us in that something was going on.
Could you have her stool tested for microscopic blood? Maybe if nothing else it will ease your anxiety a bit? I know these allergies are sooo tricky to figure out.
Sorry, don't know that I really answered your question there. But many ((HUGS)) to you and little Megan.
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The mucous DD has in her nappy looks like large boogers, larger than pea size. It sticks together and does not take on the form of the nappy, like her regular poops do. More ball like, KWIM?
If you suspect it, why not just eliminate all obvious sources of milk, Liz? Might not be MPI, but many babies struggle with dairy overload in mom's diet in the first 3 months, and might just be that you need to curb the intake.
As you know I cut out milk from the start, had a few slip ups and paid dearly for it. But really, not having her cry for 2 hours at a time - except the bedtime cry is still there ::) - each time in her A time makes up for not being able to have dairy and MANY other food groups.
BTW, DD started off with exceptionally watery poops, would squirt about a foot far if she did not have a nappy on.
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Liz see the other thread: -
Just to add, I think there is quite a range, tjhis is what I have experienced: - if you are suspect on MPI, the mucuous should show up more often than not in the poo. It may not be green. Green with mucuous though is more obviously a food intolerance poo, or should I say a damaged gut due to something ingested. It looks like "snot" al little bit and not all the poo needs to be like that. The poo should look more than slimy.
If I get any more mucuousy ones I will take a photo.
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Fir a quick trial, you could start with milk, take it away for a few days and then drink alot, even without doing a proper dairy elimination I think you should see worsening of symptoms after drinking milk. It such an obvious culprit.
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Out of interest, how much dairy in your diet would affect them?
I hadn't thought about this (and am suffering with many of the same issues as Liz) but really don't eat that much dairy (well I don't think I do anyway).
Typical days dairy would be 2 dessert spoons of yogurt at breakfast and a dairylea cheese at lunchtime. I don't drink milk (or tea / coffee).
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Liz - DD2s was also stringy at times. Is she also having kind of loose stools? What about greenish as pp mentioned? A couple of weeks old is when you typically start to see M(S)PI issues. (((HUGS))) :-*
Leanne - Regarding how much dairy impacts the LOs. It really depends on the child. Some kids can tolerate hidden/trace dairy. My girl couldn't have ANYTHING (through my BF). I had to be so on top of it - any teeny tiny amount would impact her. If I had a teaspoon of yogurt it would be waaay too much. If your limiting dairy you should start with at least obvious dairy (cheese, milk, yogurt) and see how it goes, then move to hidden diary if needed. ((hugs))
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For my son, the mucous looked a lot like uncooked egg white - except it wasn't white! More yellowish.
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yes! uncooked egg white, that's a perfect description!
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So if it IS mucous (and I think it is - TBH the only reason I am unsure is because it is very similar to what Jacob was like - but he was suspected MPI anyway so goodness knows why that is putting me off ???) should I just start by elimintaing proper dairy and not worry about the hidden stuff yet?
That would mean I could eat bread, cakes etc etc? But not pure milk, cheese, yoghurt?
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Liz, this is the point I was at a few weeks ago - trying to decide what to do about dairy. I started by getting rid of the big stuff, and did see a huge improvement but am not convinced things are totally better, kwim? So I have decided to go all dairy free for now and see. Most experienced moms recommended going totally dairy free at first. For me I think I was in denial that I would have to go that route. Maybe I don't, but for now I am so I can hopefully get to the root of the problem. I found that with only eliminating obvious dairy, I will still always wondering about every little thing, so it makes more sense to go totally dairy free at first and then reintroduce to see what causes problems.
We are getting poos as you have described and I still don't know if it's normal or not. :-\ *sigh*
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It really does make sense like that Martina - but I know from J how hard it is in practise.
I need to adjust my mentality though. With J I failed and went to bottles (and after 7 mths of fighting a food refusing refluxer I was getting very worn down and tired of the BFing in many ways - it allowed me to disconnect myself from J and his issues a little) but I am definately not prepared to stop BFing a 2 week old. Nope nope nope. I mean - if Megan is my last child then I want to feed her for as long as I can :(.
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I need to adjust my mentality though. With J I failed and went to bottles (and after 7 mths of fighting a food refusing refluxer I was getting very worn down and tired of the BFing in many ways - it allowed me to disconnect myself from J and his issues a little) but I am definately not prepared to stop BFing a 2 week old. Nope nope nope. I mean - if Megan is my last child then I want to feed her for as long as I can .
I have found it to be a bit of a mental thing too, you need time to adjust to it. I hear ya on not willing to give up the BFding though, I am still prepared to do whatever it takes to keep BFding as long as I possibly can. Even if it means getting professional help (like from a nutritionist or something) to help me figure out what I can have, I will do it!! So (((hugs))), I sympathize completely!
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LIz i guess that's why its great that you are doing the diet and meds trial early, it will better your chances to breasfeed for longer - the way my paed put it to me was the longer you leave them with reflux untreated the quicker you will get feeding problems, due to the increasing and damage and wear on their throat.
I would go all out hidden dairy and soy free for two weeks. No doubt you will make mistakes, but after a a few weeks you will get the hang if it. No matter how much label reading you do, it is inevitable to have a few slip ups.
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Congrats on your new baby Liz! So sorry she is already having problems )-: She does sound exactly like austin did on BM the first 3 months. If you look at this link, they have some very (graphic) but helpful photos of what BF MPI poo looks like. It was super helpful to me.
http://www.infantreflux.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8121
Hope she starts doing better soon!
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Hmmm... looks more like photo 3 (which I realise is a FF babe) but it is poop and stringy bits rather than pure mucous. And that is what we are getting here.
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DDs looks like 1 and 2. Sometimes green tigned, sometimes normal B colour, but still mucousy.
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Liz FWIW - ours looked like #3 until I did a TOTAL dairy elimination. It was still like than when I was only cutting out the major dairy.
Now they look more like 1 and 2. He's not in pain now, but I guess maybe something in my diet is not agreeing with him?
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Interesting that both DI and Sherry are dairy and soy free still see poos like 1 and 2. I am the only one besides Kirry who is also gluten free, and Kais poos don't look like 1 or 2 or 3 (except when he had the Roatvirus vaccine, but its cleared up now). I don't think Kirry sees any mucuos these days either.
Wonder if gluten free trial is worth it. It only takes a week to notice some difference.
I think that mucuous = unhappy gut.
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Ugh, F's looks exactly like 1 & 2. I'm on day 3 of 100% no dairy. I'm going to discuss no soy with the ND this week so see if she can help me if I'm going to go that route, which I'm scared I might. Really scared, actually. But if today is only day 3 of no dairy, it could just be taking a little while to see results?
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Martina - yes it could take more time to see the stools look better. It can take a couple weeks for the protein to get out of your system, and then a couple of weeks to get out of LOs system.
Gwynnie's looked just like 1 and 2. They improved tremendously once I cut out dairy and soy, but still had them occasionally. I went on an elimination diet and eventually found out it was several things, including oatmeal (which I ate boatloads of to keep my supply up!).
Hang in there mamas, I know it is so hard and overwhelming at times. Once you get a safe baseline though it makes SUCH a world of difference.
:-* :-*
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Martina - it def. takes time. The green didn't go away for quite a while. I was actually losing hope on that ground. He was feeling better but I started to think that the green might just be "normal" for him. But, they are very yellow now.
Eloys - I have actually been thinking about the gluten thing. I think I feel about gluten free the same way that Liz and Martina feel about dairy free. Like.... please... no.... please.....
But, I have had a lot of oatmeal the last few days and the mucus and looseness has become worse. Sigh...
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ok just a question, kai did his first brown poo today. Any thoughts? I had purple wild rice last night thats the onyl new thing. Is brown normal?
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elo, not sure about brown? i'd assume it was just something you ate? if it had lots of specks in it then i'd be worried.
hugs liz. i'd def look at getting stool testing done, to check for microscopic blood as pp suggested and also check the white blood cell count. (high levels of this can indicated intolerance or allergies to something ingested).
fwiw, ds2 has had all 3 types of those poos. mostly like 1 and 2, but went really green with mucous when i did the cow's milk and soy milk challenges. and the green didnt totally disappear until i did gluten free. tho if you are thinking of going down that route i would start with wheat free rather than gluten free as that leaves a few more food options (like oats) available to you. i've always been meaning to test oats but we usually end up with a bad week, bad meds or some drama whenever i am about to test it so i dont bother rocking the boat anymore! didnt get mucous free until off all hidden dairy and soy for two weeks.
he has started pooping less frequently the last 2 weeks, ie. he has only gone 3 times and used to be good for one a day. he is spitting up loads again the last 2 weeks too and more unsettled at night. driving me nuts actually as i am used to poop inspections to make sure everything is okay on that front iykwim. so far i've cut out dairy, soy, wheat/gluten, peanuts, eggs.
Q for all the mpi mummies tho since you are all here - if it was a food intolerance issue would you expect he would be pooping frequently again? i'm wondering if it is his reflux this time rather than food induced reflux. can eating the wrong food cause just refluxing and no poop issues?
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prob not Kirry, I'd say its the reflux.
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Am seriously considering going soy free (and who knows what else). :( I'm finding that the unknown is just getting to me too much, and I NEED to get it sorted. I think I might get professional help from a nutritionist if I can afford it, hopefully our insurance will cover part of it (they cover dieticians but not sure if it's considered the same?). I want to do it right, kwim? And I don't trust myself to do it right on my own!
I found this website today which I thought was helpful. It had a good list of MSPI safe brands which gave me hope that I will be able to find some stuff to eat that I will enjoy!
http://mspikids.info/1801.html
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Thanks for that website. It's good. I just spent a good deal of time looking at it :)
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It is a decent website - which I could find a UK brand list like that.
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I'm not sure how much of the brands I can find here, but I did recognize quite a few. I find it helps when you see straightforward lists like that, and it also makes it much less overwhelming to think about cutting soy/dairy out of your diet!
I have decided, for the time being, to not cut out soy. The ND I spoke with said to just keep going with the no dairy, and I'll keep a log and we can keep an eye on things. But I think the no dairy is starting to work, F's poops are looking less and less mucousy these days! Hopefully that's a step in the right direction! :)
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I guess I need to be in this club! :-[
Poor S has had so many mucousy diapers lately that the health nurse had me take him to emerg last night (he's "fine", "colicky" they said) but without blood in his stool, they are not concerned. It got really bad after I pigged out on strawberries. Eloise, you mentioned elsewhere that they are actually a common problem... is the same true of other berries? Sorry for TMI, but I need them to keep regular. I've already been avoiding yeast for a couple of months (in an effort to not be GBS+ but I still was). I've kept it up because I figured it would reduce the risk of thrush and can also really slow my guts down.
I've talked to my TCMD and she agrees with your ND, Martina, so I'm on day 1 of zero dairy and have started probiotics. DH can't eat dairy (hidden is fine and butter but nothing else) so I'm hoping this will improve S quickly. He is so gassy and has real bouts of pain and crying. Thank goodness for the moby wrap! However, his sleep is getting a little better and he doesn't strongly prefer being upright, so I'm thinking we are dealing only with food intolerance and not reflux. Still confused about the colic def'n so I guess I should dig around a bit more here...
I had a few mini marshmallows for dessert as all my usual treats have milk in them. Wishing y'all sweet dreams for your LOs.
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Shannon, good luck with the diet! Heres a link to a website that explains the different food intolerant groups. I think there may be some lists too. Berries are high in salicylates too.
http://www.sswahs.nsw.gov.au/rpa/allergy/
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~ataraxy/Salicylates_list.html
http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info/failsafe.htm
How are you doing on the diet Liz?
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Shannon - Did you look at the list of words that mean hidden milk? It seems to me that marshmallows would have hidden dairy ??? If DH can't have milk then that is probably going to help your LO. The term colic is just thrown around to mean a fussy baby. Usually a colicy baby is MSI/MSPI and/or has reflux.
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The term colic is just thrown around to mean a fussy baby. Usually a colicy baby is MSI/MSPI and/or has reflux.
So so true. I read somewhere that it could be as high as 95% of "colicky" babies that are actually MPI or have reflux (or both).
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A paediatrician once said, colic is a 5 letter word for 'I don't know'. That is so true!
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Re: colic term - no doubt! People have always thought it meant tummy troubles, but not that you could do anything about it. I've been wondering if 'traditional' societies don't have colicky babies because their diets are probably strictly meat and produce for the most part!? Hmm, I wonder how it is in Asia (lots of soy there obviously). I am starting to think DS1 probably had issues too but I didn't have a clue!!
It's amazing what all they sneak hidden dairy into!! What about the term "may contain" milk or egg? Or "produced in a facility that also produces wheat, soy, etc"? Is this just to avoid lawsuits? It seems like the amount would have to be nil in breastmilk, no? I don't want to wreck the trial of total elimination though... in only two days I am cautiously optimistic. S was awake and not being held and not screaming for I think almost the first time (for more than 2-5min) today. Diapers are still mucousy but I think they might be improving. He also slept his longest stretch last night (trying not to get my hopes up).
I commend all you ladies that have been doing this (and much more in some cases) for months already.
re: marshmallows, here is what they say:
corn syrup, sugar, modified corn starch, dextrose, water, gelatin, natural and artificial flavors (they are the mini 'fruit' ones), tetrasodium, pyrophosphate, colour ( contains tartazine).
So not a health food by any means, but I can't see anything milk in them??
This is the list I was working from regarding hidden dairy:
Milk Allergy Sufferers: Avoid These Ingredients
* ammonium caseinate
* calcium caseinate
* magnesium caseinate
* potassium caseinate
* sodium caseinate
* casein/caseinate
* rennet cassein
* curds
* lactate
* lactose
* delactosed/demineralized whey
* lactoferrin
* lactoglobulin
* milk derivative/protein/fat
* modified milk ingredients
* hydrolyzed casein
* hydrolyzed milk protein
* lactalbumin
* lactalbumin phosphate
* whey
* whey protein concentrate
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How are you doing on the diet Liz?
Hmmm.... well I'm managing to avoid all obvious dairy and as much hidden as I can think about. But I think some will still be creeping in a bit.
But I am managing to find stuff to eat - I can drink black coffee if it is fresh rather than instant - and oat milk on cereal is just fine.
I really need a few more sweet treat things though.
And I need to go in search of some bread that is definately milk free.
But not too bad really.......
DD is still a gassy, grunting, OT fussy thing though. Seemed a little better on thurs/fri, but the weekend was worse again (but I was at my parents so probably ate more hidden dairy).
What do you ladies do anbout calcium intake though? I am a little concerned about this while I am BFing.
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Sounds like you're doing ok Liz! I make sago and coconut cream with brown sugar for dessert, or apple crumble, or deep fried apples and bannanas in batter with cinnamon. Kirry swears by her forzen jelly and coconut cream icecream!
1.2g grams a day of calcium are required (quoted from my paed). I am currently only getting about 500mg daily from my diet, so I take a supplement. I cup of milk with calcium fortified init is about 300mg. Make sure you get one that is "balanced" with all the right nutrients including vitamin D so that the calcium can be absorbed properly.
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liz, gelati or sorbet is good too just check ing tho as some do have dairy. biscuits are hard but you could bake your own (in all that spare time you have with two LOs ::) ). jelly (i make a lot of fruit and jelly). lots of lollies/candies are still dairy free. you can eat 'real' chocolate too, lindt 70% choc, the dark one, has no dairy, does have soy lecithin tho.
also just wanted to say check your preg/bf vitamin if you havent already. elevit has lactose in it and i've just rang blackmores today and the preg/bfing gold that i take has trace amounts of soy in it (i'm still trying to work out what it is i'm eating that is setting kingston off). most vitamins with vitamin E will contain soy.
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Kirry, have you thought about doing those scratch tests for allergy that someone mentioned? I don;t know much about them apparently an allergist does them? Also corn IS really high in salicylates, I imagine you are eating alot of corn. I still don't know if sals can cause mucus in poos though.
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elo, gp said he is happy to give referral to allergist and dietician but suggested cutting the salicylates first, then if no improvement amines. i was surprised he even suggested it so am really liking my gp atm, he seems to know his stuff at least in that area. just when i was going to test gluten ::)
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cool Kirry. Its going to be hard, they are in alot of stuff, not just the veges and fruit even bonjella and spearmint flavourings, I think even toothpaste maybe a problem. Worth checking with Jean as she is a bit of an expert these days.
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I guess I'm a little late on this thread! I hope things are going okay with your diet? I just wanted to add this blog post about finding “hidden” milk in foods: http://short.ie/ywdbnz, I can't remember if you said you cut out soy too?
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Hey Liz - just wanted to let you know that I ended up ordering a calcium supplement from kirkman labs (kirkmanlabs.com). You have to be very very careful to get enough calcium - even if you don't have it in your diet, it's still in your body and LO will take it through your BM first, which can deplete you quickly.
Also, DH used to get me the most amazing chocolate from Whole Foods. They have some organic brands that were great, but also these blocks that just had a few ingredients.
Hang in there!! :-*
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ps - just saw you are in England, don't know if you have Whole Foods market there....
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Rachel - I tried that link, it didn't work for me ???
I need to be better about the vitamin. I need to call the pharmacist and see if there is milk in it.
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OK so another poop question :-X.
So I have eliminated all obvious dairy but I guess quite a bit of hidden still gets by - I'm working on that part!
Her poos have changed - now very loose, still mustard, more mucus and all the seeds have gone! Where are the seeds and why is there more mucous?!
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Liz have you moved from strings to mucus? I think that ths strings are more severe reaction and the mucus means still reacting but not such severe damage. That's just my practical mind, there's no medical reasoning behind it. Seeds are just to do with the fat content of the milk, it could just be that last few feeds didn't have so much fat content as before. Again, that's a theory.
Give it a full three weeks (from start of dairy free) for gut healing to occur. It could be a) the gut is healing and you need to wait b) there is something in the milk that is still not agreeing -i.e soy So if the three weeks is up and still alot of mucus you might have to look at taking out soy.
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Seeds are all gone here too, they disappeared with the mucous. I agree, give it more time to see how things progress.
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I'm with you Liz on the watch and wait brigade. I am pretty sure that MPI is big for us, I just hope the still-mucuous doesn't mean more large food groups to avoid! A very dramatic (diaper and gas/arching) reaction to strawberries is what convinced me that S was just not "normal" so I cut out dairy and I've since gotten suspicious about peanuts and shellfish (it was shrimp) too. How many months will it take for babe to outgrow the sensitivity (I hear that many/most do, but don't know how long)?
The link Rachel posted had an extra comma. Try just clicking through on this expanded one: http://www.foodallergyliving.net/category/nutrition-specialist-column/signs-and-symptoms-of-a-milk-allergy/
Martina, do you think that your overall fat content in your diet has gone down b/c of the special diet (cheese!!)? Also, you mentioned you don't really have any excess weight left, so perhaps that = less seedy too? I still have a bit of chub left too though and we don't have seeds very often either - I figured it's b/c Sterling's guts are still quite inflamed and the transit/digestion time is too short? :-\ It's great that F has gained well. S has been slow (in my books, not FTT or anything) to grow. I think he really does feel heavier now since I started a week ago today on all dairy out - shall have to go have a weigh on Tues. to see!
I've got my mom thinking that my younger ('colicky') brother was probably MPI too. She gave up BFing him as she was totally exhausted but then regretted the switch to (soy) formula later. Both my parents are just shocked that breastmilk can "still contain" foods that upset babe's tummy's so much.
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Good points about the fat content in my diet making a difference. I wouldn't have thought of it, but makes total sense!
One thing's for sure, I should be super skinny in no time with this diet! :P
I also started F on probiotics last weekend, so that probably has something to do with his change in poos. He is also pooping less frequently, one or two hefty ones a day as opposed to the smaller, mucousy poops we were getting after every feed last week.
Definitely need to give the diet time to see it's effects. I was in the boat where I wasn't sure if I should be cutting more foods because even after eliminating dairy we were still getting mucous, but it did disappear, just took some additional time.
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Hmmmm do we need to worry about low fat content in the milk? Will it affect LO at all ie growth and ting between feeds?
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Personally, I wouldn't worry about fat content in milk at all. If you are worried, try including some more healthy fats in your diet like avocados, olives, nuts, etc. Avocado/quacamole have a great creamy texture if you're missing the feel of cheese.
For sweets, if you get a non-dairy margarine or coconut oil, you can sub that in for butter in any cookie recipe and make any sweet treat you normally would. :)
Home made chicken stock is supposed to have as much calcium per cup as milk, so that can be a good way to add calcium to your diet as well. I try to cook with it as much as possible.
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How about facial rashes? I've been DF for a week now and it's definitely helped, but mucousy poos continue and now this rash business. It started a few days ago and we figured it was a skin allergy thing due to being held by my mom who washes all her things in a very strong detergent. She started covering herself with a blanket washed in my soap and I thought it was getting better. But, now I'm not sure. Is this likely related to MPI? I'm toying with giving up the soy too but TBH I'm already finding the zero dairy pretty restrictive (eating out or grabbing something is a disaster. must get a new repertoire and find time to make some safe snackies). Will head over to the recipe board for that I guess. But the rash has me worried and I keep expecting the diapers to look "good".
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It it like eczema? Because I think that is definitely an allergy symptom, but not sure how to narrow it down.
Maybe it's just baby acne though?
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It might be baby acne. I looked at some pics last night and it seems possible, but given how many other symptoms S has for MPI, it might be that still working its way out of his system? Wouldn't that be weird if milk protein was actually some how excreted through the skin!?? :o
Do we post food-related issues on this thread? or maybe http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=119689.0
or is it just 'anything goes' over here: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=168636.0 ??
I'm wondering about plums and/or prune juice. If I eat them to help me, will it give babe loose bowels too? How about bran muffins? MPI makes sense to me but I don't really understand how other foods that are oft avoided (say broccoli) can make your milk gassy. If the cows eat clover, it doesn't taste funny, does it? I have heard of garlic flavoring milk though and apparently many babies preferred it in a trial!
Also looking for advice re: eating out. Do I just give the waitress a list of all the suspect words and hope the kitchen will read the labels!? Are there any known national places in Canada that are a good choice? I read Tim Horton's has some stuff but cross-contamination is a problem - do you think I need to worry about that? I've been off yeast for months, but I'm wondering about adding it back in - to not be able to have bread either really limits a menu, especially out (I know some of you ladies are GF, egg, etc so I can't imagine even more issues).
Eloise, I think you mentioned elsewhere that with DS1 you could eat hidden dairy and soy and cooked dairy. How and when did you find that out? Also, citric acid is a reflux trigger too, right (I was just gonna eat some lemon pie pudding!).
I am off all dairy now for over a week and things are much better but not the diapers. Will give it another week and then I'll eliminate obvious soy (I'm not having that much, but some) and then all soy. After that I guess I'd try eggs, gluten, and all nuts (already off peanuts, shellfish, berries, oranges, and very cautious about tomatoes) but hoping not to get to that point.
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Shannon:
The way i've had it explained to me about excema and skin with food intolerances is that those skin problems are a reflection of an unhappy gut, a gut that is reacting to proteins also manifests in the skin. There are a number of allergy websites on excema and food that can explain this alot better, i will look for a link. So the way to heal skin is through the gut. Same goes for thrush, escpecially systemic. Its actually the gut that has the bacteria imbalance.
The gassy foods like broccolli / cauliflower / eggs have sulphur in them when digested create gas through the system. Foods liem gluten, yeast and lactose ferment in the gut if not tolerated, causing overgrowth of yucky bacteria and thus gas/bloating/abdominal pain, and damage to the ttract - hence mucus.
Citrus/tomato is a reflux trigger, jsut gotta test whether LO can tolerate it in your milk. Kai seems totolerate citrus, but not tomato based dishes. Still confirming though.
Re the hidden soy/dairy, I just started dairy/soy free since birth, and still ate hidden stuff as I did it as a precaution. By the time he was 4 weeks old I was also gluten free, gas food free, spices and chilli low chemicals and preservative where possoible. Anyway, he has never had mucus in his poo or green mucus until the vaccs and the gluten food challenge that I did last week. So my gauge has been his poos. So I figure that I am getting away with the hidden stuff.
Although I had a fermented gut issue with Kai early on, a mixture of lactose overload from milk and also from the foods that cause fermneation of the gut, so his poos were bubbly, squirty, profuse and loose, he had lots of tummy and intestinal pain and used to grunt ALL day with wind. That all stoped by about 7-8 weeks though.
I do have to say I do not really eaten hidden stuff anyway, because I am gluten free, that excludes most baked goods, biscuits etc. So its not a trialled and tested thing. I just don;t worry too much about soy lecthin or vegetable oil, I don't eat soy flour anyway, and I don't eat any of the biscuits with whey powders or things like that in them.
Well done on the dairy free!!! Sounds like you are making great progress.
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Thanks, Eloise. Sorry you are having such a slog (reading your other posts on sleep, etc).
How about facial rashes? I've been DF for a week now and it's definitely helped, but mucousy poos continue and now this rash business. It started a few days ago and we figured it was a skin allergy thing due to being held by my mom who washes all her things in a very strong detergent. She started covering herself with a blanket washed in my soap and I thought it was getting better. But, now I'm not sure. Is this likely related to MPI? I'm toying with giving up the soy too but TBH I'm already finding the zero dairy pretty restrictive (eating out or grabbing something is a disaster. must get a new repertoire and find time to make some safe snackies)
Not gotten any answers about where to post which type of thread...
So, went for a big shop early this week to try to stock up on foods I *could* eat. Clinic nurse told me DS's rash was baby acne. Poor thing has it all over his face, and some on his neck, ears and top of his back too. Then, suddenly the screaming and terrible sleeping returned with a vengeance. In some ways this was probably good as DH has been saying "I'm not sure what you're doing is making a difference" and I was like "are you kidding me!? S is night and day better since I went 100% dairy free; not perfect (ah, those ruddy diapers!) but so, so, much better". Going back to that for a couple of days has convinced him. So now for a couple of days I have tried to stop eating most of the new foods I purchased as something in there obviously was a big problem. I had soy yogurt, hummus, halibut, dark chocolate, and corn meal muffins as the things I can think of that were 'new' so I haven't touched any of them again. Had been having a bit of soy milk on my oatmeal, but using rice milk (not great!!) instead. The wonderful thing is that yesterday was SO much better again so I am pretty certain that it is a food thing. Even more encouraging is that S's rash appears to be receding (so maybe not baby acne afterall!?). The problem is that I don't know which food is the culprit. We've had some killer diapers here since this all started, and heaps more reflux. I see a doc on Tuesday for the first time since he was 2 weeks and don't really know what to hope for there. My instinct is that his reflux and miserability (is that a word!?) is being pretty well controlled by diet. If we could get rid of the mucous I'd say we are okay now. But now that we've had this big setback (only other thing was if I somehow had a big serving of dairy unknowingly but I don't think this is likely as am being so careful - have settled for only salads and/or broths in restaurants a couple of times - left starving!) I don't know how much longer to wait for no more yuck. Should I ask for a blood stool test even though I think he's on the mend? I want to wait until he's all healed up before trying back anything on the list above (1 at a time, soy last as that seems the most likely).
What would you do (especially re the app't)?
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is there any link to bottle fed poo's?
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There isn't on here honey - BUT on that link the bottom picture is a FF baby.
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Hey Liz, was almost going to ask why you were up, but I see it is 720am and you are 'allowed' to be up and on BW ;)
HUGS and good luck for today! Hopefully the blood clears ASAP!