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EAT => Food Allergies => Topic started by: EloysH on January 25, 2011, 09:10:57 am
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Thought I'd better deviate off my main thread so that others can share info about this.
I have been planning to wean Ds2 at 12 months old (he is now 10 months) and he has multiple food intolerances and on the RPAH low moderate chemical diet and wheat/soy/dairy free. He has never had a dairy or soy food challenge to date.
I was hoping to put him on some kind of real RAW milk as a first option, then have elemental formula as my last fall back option. My main concern is calcium intake.
Anyway, just got back from my AMAZING naturopath who is also a qualified nutritionist and is currently writing a book on food medicene ( I value her oppinion so much!). I am going to run all this past my dietician to se what she thinks too.
So, she has informed me of a hidden truth that I did already know. Dairy milks are a poor source of calcium because the calcium in the milk is not easily absorbed by the body. The reason for drinking milk once bubs is weaned is more about getting beneficial fats into their diet, as breastmilk is very high in good fats. It is very easy to get the calcium a baby needs from his solids. I have been worrying about having to force large quantities of milk onto bubs when in fact he will only drink 20 ml of water/milk from a sippy cup. There is no need. If he doesn't drink much milk/formula then the calcium can be obtained by diet and so can the fats. Indeed for my Ds1, I could only ever get him to drink 50ML of milk at anyone time, so I just made up the calcium through diet, but he was able to tolerate some dairy.
So, here is our plan:
RAW (not pasteurised) goat milk challenge
3 days 30 ml per day
5 days 100ml x twice daily If not reactions after 5 days I can give 200mls 1-2 daily.
If no reactions then he is tolerating the milk and this will be a good source of fats.
Next challenge:
Buffalo Milk Yoghurt (very high in protein/fat excellent source of calcium, better than dairy)
1-2 teaspoons per day for 10 days
if no reactions then 2-3 tablespoons per day
Eggs: 1-2 yolks per day mixed into his cooked food (this is to get the good fats)
Gee: - 1/4 teaspoon in cooked veges
Stay away from pasteurised milks until 18-24 months.
If I really want to give cheese, give goat milk or buffalo milk cheese.
If he doesn't tolerate the milk or the yoghurt, there is no need to go to elemental formula. I can of course, but if he won't drink the formula in reliable quantities, then I still have diet as a fall back.... and also, formula can constipate. I can also give the calcium to him through boy choy, chick peas, sardines cooked with bones. Other sources of calcium that I am hoping he will tolerate are buffalo yoghurt & cheese, RAW goat milk When he tolerates high salicylates I can also give spinach, broccoli, figs, sesame (tahini) and almond milk.
She also recommended a book from Amazon: "Nourishing traditions": - as a nutrional reference and a cook book and also a recipe that I would love for making our own yoghurt!
I may not have all my facts straight.. any comments, or opposing info are welcome. I can check it out with my dietician at the end of the week :)
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That is very interesting Eloise.
How similar are those milks to cows milk? I assume there is a significant risk of a cross reaction if he remains milk protein intolerant at 12 mths plus? Did she mention anything about using other fortified milks as a substitute? I remember Martina using a combo of almond/ coconut milk to make smoothies for her DS1 - he wasn't MSPI - but she had some nutritional info to support this. I will point tis out to her so she can comment (and correct me ;)).
Also how readily available are those products? I think you live in a big city? I know I would really struggle to get hold of anything like that (I struggle even for pure sunflower margerine).
I am VERY interesting in all of this though as elemental formula is harder here in the UK as we only have neocate and I doubt Megan will accept that now (she hasn't so far). Realistically I also need to start finding a milk substitute for 12 mths plus as well.
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Liz, you have a penetrating mind I was wondering is someone was ging to query that... I walked away thinking I wasn't quite sure as to why goat milk is so much better than cows..., I think that the main issue is that the goat milk will be RAW milk as opposed to pasteurised. Here is it only legal to sell goat milk unpasteurised. Are you familiar with the reasons that pasteurisation is a problem? The high temps completely denature the proteins (and other goodness that I can't recall, enzymes?). This is one reason why so many bubs and adults can't tolerate cows milk, their body doesn't even recognise the proteins as food and has thus have an immune response.... The reasons for pasteurising are not necessary for the goat milk industry hence RAW goat milk is legal to sell.
Here is a one sided article abot pasteurisation:
http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/raw-milk-vs-pasteurized-milk
I think the second issue is that goat milk is higher in fat and calcium and the protein is easier to digest, gentler.
Here are some links I just quickly found:
http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/aboutgoatsmilk.shtml
http://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=38646
Many of the products are NOT readily available, I do live in a large city I will need to visit large health food stores to get the raw goat milk and buffalo yoghurt and cheese.
She did say almond milk was an excellent source of calcium, is just the almonds are HIGH or VERY HIG salicylates, as is coconut, so Kai can't tolerate those yet and no plans for those till later.
She said rice milk is just a watery drink with nothing much good in it, and that as soon as Kai can tolerate an alternative I need to switch to the new milk for myself straight away.
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I hope your plan works. I do kow that the protein in cows is very similar to that of goats milk, therefore may people who are allergic to cows milk are also allergic to goats milk. This is the case for my ds unfortunately but it does work for some.
I wish you luck and will follow your thread as I find it very interesting.
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This is all very interesting and I'm not sure I have anything to add really that you ladies do not already know. ;) I took a baby nutrition class when T was little and yes, she did say that almond milk mixed with coconut milk has a very similar nutritional profile to cow's milk. But as you have pointed out is probably not appropriate for K (but may by an option for M, Liz).
I do know a mom here who is also a nutritionist that mentioned to me she started goat's milk with her LO from a young age because she did not want to do formula and it has gone great. But I don't think her LO had any intolerances.
My understanding with the goat's milk is that the proteins are a different size so are more easily digestible, but that it should still be considered dairy and approached with caution. I started eating goat cheese myself before introducing any other dairy and F never had a problem with it. I'm thinking at a year I will start with goat's milk for him.
I picked up this book which has excellent nutrition information: http://www.amazon.ca/Sprout-Right-Lianne-Phillipson-Webb/dp/0143173502 although Eloise you already have such good resources for info so I doubt anything I recommend will have anything new for you! It was written by the woman I took my classes from. I like it because it has all sorts of charts listing exactly how much of everything is needed for moms (pregnant and breastfeeding), and LO's up to 2yrs. So she talks about how much calcium, iron, fats, etc., we all need, and what are good sources for them. Plus lists the percentage of iron absorption from breast milk vs formula, cow's milk etc. Let me know if you want me to pull that info, but she got it off Kellymom and I'm sure you have it already.
Anyways, F is already starting to tolerate some dairy so I'm hoping he can have at least a little cow's milk by a year, but I'm not worried given there are other options, and like you said everything a baby needs from cow's milk can be obtained in other ways through their diet. Now, if only we can ensure our toddlers will want to eat all that healthy stuff. (smoothies are great for that, I get almond milk, spinach, fruits, omegas, probiotics, and fibre into T every day that way, and have already started to give some to F!) ;)
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:)
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Following along....
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Just had a peek at my book and this is what she says about goat's milk vs cow's milk: (Sprout Right, page 228)
"Children intolerant to cow's milk are often able to consume goat's milk without any symptoms. A goat is a smaller animal, so it's milk is easier for humans to digest than cow's milk. It's naturally homogenized, which may make the fat easier to digest. Also, goat's milk proteins have a slightly different amino acid structure, so an allergy is less likely. Goat's milk is a very good source of calcium, protein, phosphorus, potassium, vitamin B2, and the amino acid tryptophan. A common concern with drinking goat's milk is that it's low in folic acid. Check the packaging to see if it's fortified with folic acid (most brands are)."
She also goes on to recommend sheep's milk as well, saying its' even more nutritious and better tolerated than either cow's or goat's milk. She includes a table comparing the complete nutrient content of all three types of milk.
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Hi
Just a week ago I was worrying about my MPI LO's calcium intake and called our paed who said exactly the same thing, that calcium in cow's milk is not easily absorbed and we get our calcium mainly from veg anyway, especially broccoli. And he also advised to try goat's milk in cooking for our DD. So there seems to be some degree of consistency :))
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Very interesting - thank you for posting all of this. My E had a dairy issue as a baby, but her ped said she would outgrow it. When I reintroduced it, her symptoms seemed to be gone, so we moved on. Well, it turns out that her symptoms had simply changed. We went to a specialist at 9-years-old with a whole slew of new symptoms and found that she had leaky gut from so many years of inflammation. She was having an allergic response to about 15 -20 different foods. We have just starting adding eggs back in and now we have her back down gluten- and dairy-free. Now our new DS is showing a sensitivity when I have dairy. Maybe I'll try the sheep's milk and see if he can tolerate that...
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Interesting. Do you mind sharing what the symptoms were before and what they were afterwards when they changed? My natruopath said that kids don't really outgrow it all of a sudden and that merely the symptoms change and a new normal is established.
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Liz - DS is on nutramigen aa. It is imported over from America and the pharmacy are funny about me having it, but we get it on 'script. before this he had nutramigen 1 but DS couldn't tolerate that. From 1+ you can get nutramigen 2, or if need be, nutramigen aa. Just a thought incase you want to inquire. But I had a friend who tried to get it for baby, and her Dr said no due to cost. Silly post code lottery strikes again!
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I've already tried nutramigen 1 and nutramigen AA. That stuff tastes foul >:(. That is m concern really - finding something that Megan will find an acceptable alternative to BM and therefore actually drink. She is prescribed neocate and can have flavoured neocate at age 1. But may still not take it.
Is she doesn't it will be calcium fortified oat milk, I think, with added calcium and fats in her diet.
Where there is a will there is a way - that goes to fighting GPs for proper prescriptions as well >:(.
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I don't know how appropriate it would be diet-wise for little ones, but I make breakfast smoothies with some dolomite powder added for calcium.... My smoothies are coconut milk and yogurt with some rice milk added for consistency, but the original recipe had only coconut milk. I find that straight-up coconut milk makes me nauseous tho.
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thanks Deb :) You mentioned once a while ago that you make your own yoghurt? My naturopath was raving about how easy and cheap it is... what are the benefits?
Liz: Sounds like a good plan. Oat milk is certainly yummy in my book. Do you know how easily absorbed the calcium is from oat milk? The naturopath was saying that the calcium/phosphorus ratios need to be right for absorption into the body. Where there is a will there is a way ... for sure!
Well, I am planning on doing a raw goat milk challenge is a few weeks and not really expecting to pass, but I need to confirm.
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Are you going to do that direct to Kai or too yourself first??
One thing I was thinking as that *I* might be able to have some of these things before cows milk as well. And I would like that ;).
I don't know the answer to the calcium and oat milk thing. It is an added extra so I guess it depends what form they have used? I will try and find out.
But isn't it true that if there are low levels of calcium in the diet the body will compensate by working hardest to get what is actually there? So what is not readily available may become much more available to the body iyswim?
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I think so, and also that diet alone is enough for a baby to get calcium especially becaues they don't excrete much calcium, unlike most adults. Things like caffeine and I wish I cold remember what else actually cause your body to excrete it.
I will be doing it direct to Kai since hthe pan is for him to be drinking it from 12 months on ::) If he doesn;t pass I will then do the yoghurt challenge (buffalo milk) next as that is apparantly a great source of calcium and the protein easier to digest. However i am having trouble sourcing this stuff ::)
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However i am having trouble sourcing this stuff ::)
I'm not surprised - you kind of need to get it direct from a farm or farm shop don't you?? I found one website over here doing buffalo products but they only sell in bulk to farm shops etc. We get a local farmers Market here - do you get those sort of things? Just might be worth asking some of the people there if they know anyone producing it? I remember a stall selling buffalo meats at one point, but haven't seen them in a while - but they might be a good place to look iyswim?
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Oh thanks for those ideas Liz, yes we do have several large organic farmers markets here, I remember seeing organic goat cheese, so hopefully they can put me onto someone.
I also have yet to try another large whole foods chain.. and of course I can go right back to the naturopath and get it from where she does... hopefully I won't have to drive across the city just to buy milk ::)
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The main reason I make yogurt at home is the cost, but it also tastes really REALLY good. We seem to be able to digest yogurt without the digestive side effects, since the cuulturing alters the sugars and bacteria somewhat by partially pre-digesting them.
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I'm following this post. Great info Eloise. We are starting the great debate of what we will start feeding Myla in a few weeks when she turns 12 months. She can tolerate cheese, but not yogurt yet so therefore I'm to scared to attempt cow's milk. Goats milk interests me. I'm going to pick some up this week and try it in one of her omlettes and see how small amounts do to her tummy. Thanks for sharing this:)
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No worries! Good luck! See if you can find unpasteurised. There is a big difference in the proteins and hence the chances of them being able to digest it.
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There's also apparently a difference whether the milk has been cooked or not. A friend with a dairy- and egg-allergic child says LO can now do eggs and milk IF they've been cooked for a certain amount of time, but still none raw. She managed a bit of long-baked pizza recently, but still isn't able to have, say, butter in or on something unless it's been cooked in it long enough.
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There's so much good info on this thread Eloise, I wonder if you could get it stickied in the FA board. It's one of those things lots of moms, especially those with intolerant babies, wonder about as their LO's approach a year. It would be nice to have all the info available to them on one thread.
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sure lets ask Buntybear :)
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[Just switching threads here a bit from the MSPI thread.
I talked to a lady I know who has helped me with diet advice for both my kids since she knows quite a bit about food (she's follows Nourishing Traditions etc) . She has IBS and was the one that directed me to info about FODMAP diet since she recognised a pattern with what did and didn't affect J.
She gets raw cow's milk delivered to her and she suggested that I try making yoghurt out of that so it will be really easy for me to get some of that when the time comes. She can't drink normal cow's milk, and can only tolerate raw cow's milk when it has been fermented into yoghurt.
She also suggested that if he passes cheese and yoghurt to try raw goat's milk and is checking her sources to see if she can find that for me. So that's all good news. I was a bit ??? :o :-\ about where to go to source them.
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I haven't been here for a while and WOW did I miss a lot! Eloise, you asked how DD1 symptoms had changed when we tried to add dairy back in when she was younger. Initially, she had colic and baby acne. Now her somatic symptoms appear to be nerve-related. She has headache, achiness, feels overheated. Even worse, she experiences anxiety and mood swings. I didn't believe her doctor at first that the psychological symptoms were related, but they completely went away when we cut diary and gluten, They come back in a few hours if she eats them and last for about 4 days.
Regarding the piece on making your own yogurt - we have started making our own kefir with coconut milk and it is wonderful. We sweeten it with a little honey and vanilla to have a smoothie. It is thinner than traditional yogurt, but we are thinking that we can strain it to make cheese and use the "whey" to inoculate some fermented veggies.
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Oooh, hadn't thought to kefir actual coconut milk. I do actually have a jar of coconut water (the young coconut juice) kefir-ing on my kitchen counter as I type, though. Maybe I'll try to culture some cows' milk and coconut milk together sometime.
BTW, our whole family is intolerant of cows' milk, but there's a place on my way here from my IL's place in another state where raw milk is legal that sells raw goats' milk by the half-gallon. It's pretty dear, far more for a half-gallon than for a gallon of organic cows' milk :o, but I bought a half-gallon to try, and we can all drink it without the digestive consequences. Bought some pasteurized goats' milk on another occasion and no-go - it was the being raw that made the difference (I suspected it would).
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Yes I love my copy of Nourishing Traditions, it is WONDERFUL! Just to clarify Kai is on RAW goat milk and tolerating it. I can't wait to make yoghurt from raw cow milk!
Interesting Deb! We have found the same here too!
Also, my elder son who is 3.5 has been complaining of painful wind (was a reflux baby and dariy intolerant as an infant) and on a hunch I got him some raw cows milk to try... well, no more wind! I put him back on A2 cows milk, but no go, the wind came back and also urgent poos.
Initially, she had colic and baby acne. Now her somatic symptoms appear to be nerve-related. She has headache, achiness, feels overheated. Even worse, she experiences anxiety and mood swings. I didn't believe her doctor at first that the psychological symptoms were related, but they completely went away when we cut diary and gluten, They come back in a few hours if she eats them and last for about 4 days.
I find this fascinating. My naturopath thinks that most don't out grow intolerances, rather the symptoms change... that's why I have een watching my 3.5 yr old very closely lately.
Jenny, we can buy raw cows milk as "Bath milk" from a health food shop. It is not allowed t sell for consumption legally, however, the dairy is a AAA rated dairy and knows that people are drinking their milk. Selling as Bath Milk is a loophole.
The raw goat milk can be bought from our health food shop too.
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lso, my elder son who is 3.5 has been complaining of painful wind (was a reflux baby and dariy intolerant as an infant) and on a hunch I got him some raw cows milk to try... well, no more wind! I put him back on A2 cows milk, but no go, the wind came back and also urgent poos.
This is intersting because I've been thinking the same about E lately. She's always had 'funny' poos (that's what she has started calling them now - says "ohhh Mama! I've got funny poos!") - loose and often and just in the last 3 or 4 months has started complaining of a sore tummy after drinking milk. She hardly ever even asks for it now and I think it's because she knows it gives her a sore tummy. I'll get some raw milk off my friend and see if it helps her too.
My naturopath thinks that most don't out grow intolerances, rather the symptoms change... that's why I have een watching my 3.5 yr old very closely lately.
This makes sense really.
Jenny, we can buy raw cows milk as "Bath milk" from a health food shop. It is not allowed t sell for consumption legally, however, the dairy is a AAA rated dairy and knows that people are drinking their milk. Selling as Bath Milk is a loophole.
The raw goat milk can be bought from our health food shop too.
the health food shop I go to was destroyed in the earthquake and I don't know of any others so will have to investigate. I think she would have known though if they sold raw milk (I know she goes elsewhere for raw cow's milk but because of the earthquake she is now the drop-off point for it and she gets it free for the hassle of being the distributor! So that's really handy for me.
Just curious Eloise, how is the way you eat going to change once K is weaned in light of ALL the new things you now know? And are you going to go slow in introducing dairy, wheat etc? I found it took me a while to get used to eating more than a wee bit of dairy (not as long as I remember Kirry saying though).
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Jenny, how bizarre to think that whole businesses have just disappeared overnight in the earthquake. Does it feel like the war times where commodities are hard to get ? ;)
Interesting about E too... I often wondered about why there are so many adults out there with food intolerances and yet everyone says that babies grow out if it, when clearly a proportion of people just don't grow out of it.
Just curious Eloise, how is the way you eat going to change once K is weaned in light of ALL the new things you now know? And are you going to go slow in introducing dairy, wheat et
Well this is the million dollar question right now. I have now learned that I DO have some intolerances in the mix. For so many months I was saying that there wasn't any benefits to me on this diet but now I recognise some glaringly obvious things. I have had little or no acne and little or no wind or bloating in 12 months. I thought that some bloating and painful wind at times was normal but clearly its not, I accepted it as part of my "normal" before I went on the diet. So I will need to move slowly with food introductions and unfortunately and do group by group. I will go for salicylates first and quite quickly, and also preservatives and additives... then wheat and dairy a bit more slowly. I won;t be doing food challenges, I will try a quick liberalisation ( have had a gut full of food challenges!) It won't stop me from having a few blow outs gorge fests at restuarants at first though... even if I have to be curled up in a ball on the couch for 8 hours like Kirry was ;)
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I noticed the same thing when we cleaned up DD1's diet. I had struggled with joint pain, chronic yeast, headaches, and seasonal allergies for years. They fluctuated with my hormones, so I never thought about diet. They are almost completely gone, though, as long as I stick to gluten and dairy free - which generally gets rid of any refined sugars and preservatives, as well, because you can't have anything processed.
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Interesting Eloise. You'll have to update with your findings when you finish all your introductions!
Jenny, how bizarre to think that whole businesses have just disappeared overnight in the earthquake. Does it feel like the war times where commodities are hard to get ?
Some things are hard to get but only because they're so hard to get to!! We live in the East which is the most badly damaged part and there ARE at least a couple of supermarkets open here now. But there are no department stores or basically any other kind of shops open so for that you need to cross town - except the normal way is to go through the one way system that takes you through the CBD and out the other side. But because the whole CBD is still closed you have to go around. And even then there are lanes r whole sides of the road closed and so it just makes traffic a nightmare. I have to brave it today but I usually just shop online!! And all I need to buy is bodysuits for J!!
This is the whole food shop I usually go to which is in town http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1782673581104&set=a.1782672021065.196338.1667400564&theater
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well k is all good on yoghurt (tho it is darn hard finding ones that are salicylate free!!) and we are on day 6 of cheese which is going okay except i cant get him to eat the stuff and am having to add it to various foods some of which he'll eat and others he'll throw (def a spirited little boy :P ). only symptom i've noticed is some wind but i think that's more because the cheese is constipating him a bit...
we are going to trial cows milk in about 2 weeks as even with a daily serve of yoghurt and cheese he still wont get enuf calcium on neocate LCP. but if he drinks cows milk he will... i am hesitant to put him on this before 18mths old tho :-\ and he wont eat chickpeas, cant get enuf bok choy into him anytime soon due to sals, egg everyday would constipate him, etc etc ::) anyway plan is to start with 1/4 cup (60mL on his cereal) and gradually increase from there. she said to expect looser poos even frothy ones as his gut gets used to dealing with higher lactose content BUT it should settle after a few days to week at max. if he is still having problems after than then stop and ANY mucous stop the trial. (jenny, do u think that could have been going on with J??)
and on 'outgrowing' intolerances, well i get asthma on and off whenever i have wheat in my diet now. didnt get it once while on the restricted diet for bf. i do still eat some gf stuff but choosing to have asthma medication occasionally rather than cut it completely cos i like it too much :-\ bit easier to do that when it just requires taking a puffer occasionally and not causing gastro/intentistinal probs i guess.
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anyway plan is to start with 1/4 cup (60mL on his cereal) and gradually increase from there. she said to expect looser poos even frothy ones as his gut gets used to dealing with higher lactose content BUT it should settle after a few days to week at max. if he is still having problems after than then stop and ANY mucous stop the trial. (jenny, do u think that could have been going on with J??)
I'll keep this in mind. Will do cheese and yoghurt first though before going back to milk and will do raw. Got to wait for this pesky teeth first ::). I'm really bad at being able to identify mucous though. I don't really know what I'm looking for! :-[
Kirry, what is the recommended calcium intake that you've been given?
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Just out of curiosity - and thanks for bearing with me as sals don't seem to be our issue and I can't keep them straight - when you're buying yogurt, what ingredients have the sals? If the yogurt itself is free and clear, can you make your own? It really isn't hard once you work out a system - I make it a gallon at a time, and I know exactly what's in it. :)
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drsinpa - how did you make your own coconut kefir
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Does anybody know how to make coconut yogurt?
I googled it but the only receipt that came up requires a special device.
The cheapest I have found coconut yogurt for here is 2.50 for 8 oz (1 cup).
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Make your own coconut yogurt: http://www.smallfootprintfamily.com/2009/04/25/homemade-coconut-milk-yogurt/. Instead of a food dehydrator to keep the heat high enough while it cultures (about 105-115F), a regular heating pad turned to Low works for us, as does setting the culturing jars of yogurt (we make cows milk yogurt with a very similar process) next to our ridiculously-inefficient fridge and covering exposed surfaces with a few towels. Also use a regular meat thermometer instead of a candy thermometer. Some people use a cooler to keep the culturing stuff at the right temp.
Make your own cows milk yogurt: http://girlsguidetobutter.com/2010/02/crock-pot-yogurt/. Trivia: the "Stacy" in the comments is Stacy here! :) She's the one who put me on to that recipe. I don't use a crockpot, just the Dutch oven and a meat thermometer, then after adding the culture to the pot, I pour the milk into glass jars (IKEA has some good ones - they don't seal worth a darn but they don't need to for this) and put 'em next to my fridge covered with towels, on a heating pad during chilly Winter months.
Coconut water kefir procedure: http://www.ehow.com/how_5947959_make-coconut-water-kefir.html. Most of the links I found start with actual green coconuts but when they started to get popular here I found it was about the same price to get coconut water in tetra-paks and go from there. I start with a big jar, fill it about 3/4 with coconut water (about 3-4 coconuts' worth) and add the kefir starter. I didn't know to heat it, so we just use room temp. After a day or so on the counter it gets a bit fizzy, meaning it's working! :)
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As far as I know ther are no sals in plain yoghurt, just amines. Maybe Kirry is wanting vanilla flavoured yoghurt?
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Here is how I do coconut kefir in the crock pot:
pour 2 qts full-fat coconut milk into *clean* crock pot (needs to be free of additives)
set temp to "low". Warm milk to 180 deg F (this will take few hours, but you can do whatever while it's heating).
Turn crock off. Allow to cool to room temp for about another 2.5 - 3 hrs to about 100 deg F.
Add your starter - the first time, I start with kefir starter from Body Ecology online, but now I use 1/2 c from my last batch. Stir up
with *clean* spoon or whisk.
Ignore for about 48 hrs. Mix is back up because it will tend to separate. Filter through a mesh strainer in to whatever lidded container you want to keep it in and refrigerate.
To make honey vanilla kefir: add about a tsp of vanilla and enough honey
to sweeten it to taste, maybe 1/4-1/2 c or so, depending on how sweet you want it. Just be sure to add
the honey and mix it in well before chilling the kefir.
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Martina and Eloise - sorry ladies, just seen your comments about making this thread a sticky - great idea - DONE! :-*
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sals i'm finding are lemon juice and apple juice or concentrate in majority of yoghurts. (majority of fruit is high in sals, juice is even higher as concentrated)
jenny, 500mg calcium for a 1yo.
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What about plain yoghurts? Can you then flavour them yourself ? I am about to try and make my own yoghurt is really seems sooo easy.
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jenny, 500mg calcium for a 1yo.
It's the same here - I've seen recommendations for 750mg-800mg before which made me :o :o :o. I'd never get that much into J. We are going to need to do something soon. He's drinking about 450ml sometimes marginally more of Neocate and it's only 49mg/100ml so that's less than half!! I'm using calcium fortified rice milk for puddings and his porridge and using the other sources of calcium when I can, but I really need to get him onto the yoghurt/cheese or else switch to Neocate Advance soon because I don't think it's adding up to enough.
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i hear you jenny! i'm actually a bit peeved at my dietician for not picking up earlier that he wasnt on enuf calcium on the LCP for the last 2 mths. it's only recently that he has reduced so much that i asked about calcium >:( note that the 500mg is required for 1yo (up to 3yo i think?? and then it increases again??). it is a fair bit less than that when they are under 1.
elo, will have to do more label reading next shopping visit, but i've been finding that in plain yoghurt too :(
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This is a v useful sticky!
DD nearly 1 and we are getting a bit desperate to offer an alternative to BF as my supply is dropping. I'm fairly sure someone on here mentioned using an oat and coconut milk combination as a substitute and was just wondering about the proportions for that.
Thanks!
Ruth
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Make your own cows milk yogurt: http://girlsguidetobutter.com/2010/02/crock-pot-yogurt/. Trivia: the "Stacy" in the comments is Stacy here! Smiley She's the one who put me on to that recipe. I don't use a crockpot, just the Dutch oven and a meat thermometer, then after adding the culture to the pot, I pour the milk into glass jars (IKEA has some good ones - they don't seal worth a darn but they don't need to for this) and put 'em next to my fridge covered with towels, on a heating pad during chilly Winter months.
I've actually done this method because she posted it on FB. It was so easy. I'll have to try the coconut milk one. I also made the no kneed dough from that site. That also worked out really well for me.
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I'm looking at food ways of adding calcium to J's diet and it seems a bit daunting!
He only gets about 150mg-200mg from Neocate
Maybe another 75-100mg from rice milk in porridge
so we're still coming up quite short. He eats broccoli but my list says 60mg/ cup! And he's only eating a couple of pieces! Most of the things on the list I can imagine giving him at some stage in a week but not every day!
It seems that tahini is the lowest volume/mg calcium thing but I don't know how to use tahini except in hummus. Actually hummus is a pretty good idea since chickpeas have calcium too.
Eloise, you have sardines on your list. I don't eat fish or seafood of any kind so have NO IDEA about it. When you say sardines cooked with bones, how do you do that? And how do you serve it :-[?
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you can also put the hummus on toast or tahini on toast, I think a tablespoon of tahini is equivalent to one cup of broccoli/bok choy. Unfortunately, Kai is not on very high sals yet so haven't got up to this bit yet.
You can buy canned red salmon, the bones are mashable, I make patties with potato and fry them. I personally hate tinned sardines so don't serve them much ::)
I also steam a whole lot of bok choy and broccoli, blend it up and mix with sweet potato - baked and chopped also an egg yolk and butter. They need to eat with an essential fatty acid and egg yolk to absorb all the vitamins including calcium. He will easily get half a cup into them that way.
Another way to get it into them is to add the blended broccoli and bok choy to a GF and dairy free waffle mixture and make bokchoy waffles in the waffle maker. I usually make these every second day.
Oh I nearly forgot. I also make homemade chicken stock once a week from an organic chicken. I don't have any figures on it, but I know alot calcium comes out of the bones and also into the gelatinous stuff, so I mostly cook his meals with the homemade chicken stock. Hoefully that adds to the total too!
I figure of every meal has something high in calcium in it, then that's the best I can do.
He does get about a table spoon of buffalo yoghurt a day too. I guess it all adds up ::)
Also, its not on the lists, but egg yolk is high in calcium and vitamin D, and essential cholesterol, so keep adding to cooked veg.
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Good info thanks, Eloise.
I do make chicken stock whenever I cook a chicken but hadn't thought to cook veggies in it etc.
I'll give some of these things a go - ta.
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I make different pilafs start with a fried leek base, add the chopped root veg, butter, stock and then lentils and smattering of grains. PUt the lid on and let it cook for 15 mins and all the stock absorbs, and left with a juicy grain pilaf.
I wish I could provide some calculations and numbers for amount of calcium but I made a choice not to get too bogged down with it and just serve the highest calcium foods that he can tolerate with every meal. :P
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I wish I could provide some calculations and numbers for amount of calcium but I made a choice not to get too bogged down with it and just serve the highest calcium foods that he can tolerate with every meal.
That's fair enough. I've been doing some research so I can get a handle on what's what.
You are a fountain of knowledge! I'm going to have to sit down and write out some options otherwise I can see me getting overwhelmed ::).
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Hi, Im new here and have found all your comments very interesting. My daughter is Milk Protein Intolerant and has various other allergies, eggs, nuts, seeds etc but is generally well. She has been on Nutramigen since I stopped breastfeeding and recently I have started to try other options for her calcium intake. I have found that most things remotely milk/creamy tasting she rejects. My main question is that since trying her on a little soy product, (a few chocolate buttons as a treat, soy yoghurt on breakfast or dessert etc), her sleep seems to be affected. I have kept a diary for a month now of all her activity, sleep times, food intake etc to try and find a common cause of her very early rising and the pattern seems to be Soy. My friend swears she had the same problem with her daughter but I have not been able to find any information. Has anyone else experienced this problem?
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Its probably best if you start this question on a new thread :) However I have found similar with 2.5 hr NW's and 5am-5:30am EW for about 3 months. I took DS2 off all dariy except butter and he has sttn for 2 weeks and woken past 6am.
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Soy intolerance is VERY common, even more so in babies who already have another food intolerance like dairy or other allergies. Please do start a new thread, though, so we can help you out. :)
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Ladies, for those in the UK you may have already seen that Waitrose Ocado do an organic Buffalo milk pasteurised but not homogenised and allergic people, esp kids seem to do well on it judging by the reviews. We have a dairy allergic asthmatic exzema and hayfever boy so will give this buffalo milk a try after talking it over with a GP or a health visitor, as I suspect we are soy intolerant and I am going back to work so will not be breast feeding as much. We do calcium fortified oat milk but were given soy formula and his exzema got worse. Sigh. I excluded all dairy for two weeks now after the allergy tests came positive. Oat milk was fine but not sure about the soy. Because hayvever, exzema and a bout of asthma with frequent wheezing all seem to have come at the same time and not really going away despite antihestamines I am not sure what exactly he is alergic to besides dairy. Did you have to stop eating dairy yourselves? I did not as the test said that his allergy is mild, but maybe I should?
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Hi Kate, I took diary out of my diet. I would have thought if it is an allergy then any amount of milk in his system would have some kind of effect on him?
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Most dairy intolerant people are intolerant to the protein - caesin which is in buffalo and goat milks but easier to digest. At 12 months put my son on buffalo and yoghurt and he could not tolerate it. it took me 6 weeks to work out though, it was a build up reaction. He does not have an allergy - just an intolerance. Milk proteins pass through the mothers milk so if you are breastfeeding you cannot eat any dariy at all, it takes two weeks toleave yours and babies system.