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EAT => Food Allergies => Topic started by: bug_blues70 on March 11, 2011, 18:37:47 pm
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Hello!
What can I eat for the first phase of an elimination diet? I have tried to look it up online but keep getting conflicting information...
Also, how long should it take for me to see results?
TIA!!
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What are you eliminating?
When I started mine i just cut all of what ever i was eliminating both hidden and obvious. after 2 weeks it all should be out of there system but I always saw results after a week
you can after 2 weeks try hidden and see what happens
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I originally started with just milk, then eded up elimination soy in the 2nd wk. After there wasn't too much improvement I went on a total elimination diet (TED). I got a lot of info/advice from www.infantreflux.org - they have a TED section. After about 4 wks of sticking to core foods (I wasn't as stict with TED as some need to be, my LO is fine with most fruits/vegetables/meats) all of his symptoms were gone. I was able to determine my LO isn't tolerating dairy, soy, eggs and tomatoes.
Good luck!
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Thanks, that's what I meant I guess: total elimination diet. I don't want to waste my time trying to guess what it is that might be bothering DS. Especially when it might not even be my diet. I'm going to take a look at that website to get a food list. I appreciate it!
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Reading this has given me hope. RAchel, when you said your LO was fine with most meat, veg and gruit - could I ask you to be more specific? Which were the ones he/she didn't tolerate? I looked at the website you suggested to see info on TED but I couldn't find anything. Could you send the link?
This is my last ray of hope as doc wants to put my DD onto Neokate. I got 2 weeks on ED to see if her sympthoms improve.
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doc wants to put my DD onto Neokate
DON'T DO IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO!!!
There are plenty of mommies on here that have been very successful in continuing BF on ED for a year or more. I am at just over a year myself and we are now on the other side :)
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I agree. I haven't done it yet - i'm only a week or two into it - but if you're willing to make the sacrifice on what you eat, you don't have to give your LO FF. It's been hard, but I find if I make sure not to let myself get too hungry I don't get quite so tempted to cheat. Tonight I'm ravenous tho, and we have nothing that will satiate me. DH has gone to the store for me or I might have just gone on a binge!!
I decided against the Failsafe diet unless what I'm doing fails. I did a version of the TED. I did nothing but rice, bananas, and yellow squash for the first 2.5 days - and I mean nothing but - and then added in a few vegetables. I quickly realized it would take FOREVER to add foods in one by one for 3 days in a row each, so right now I'm eating anything that doesn't have the common allergens/problem foods and Milo still seems to be ok. So that's mostly meat, fruits and veg. I also eat rice milk and rice cereal. I will add in wheat, dairy, soy, nuts, citrus, chemicals, and corn one by one.
Good luck!! I hope you figure out what it is that is causing problems for you and that you don't have to give her FF!
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Thanks. I really don't want to go down the formula route. I was very upset when they suggested that I do that. Just need some help with working out a diet. How does this sound?
Breakfast: rice krispies with Rice Dream as milk substitute, toasted rice bread with dairy free spread
Lunch: Meat and potatoes or rice (Any kid of meat or are there some I should avoid? Also, I am a bit confused as some websites say not to even eat rice or white potatoes?
Dinner: same as lunch again?
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Doctors can be very pushy with formula... we decided to mix feed from birth talking 1 bottle or 2 if she needs it like im out or something iykwim
When our DD lost weight automaticly its all about giving her more formula... when he switched her to Neocate he told me feed her neocate you can breast feed to comfort her but not to feed her
Well i decided to comprimise she has alternitive feeds bottles and neocate and i feed mysel through the night but we have days where i just breast feed now
yeah its a pain when you have to cut so much out but worth it imo
We have been fine with both rice and potatos (white and peeled)
Meat i think is the fresher the bette but from the lists ive seen any meat is fine obviously things like phesent which is hung for a long time isnt good
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I'm looking through articles online but the advice is really conflicting! Does anybody have a list of meat/ fruit and veg / grains that are safe and worked well for them?
Am I allowed rice crispies for example (contains barley) and rice bread (contains rice and millet)?
Any help would be greatly appriciated.
Here is a list I put together.
Meat: turkey and lamb
Fish: wild salmon
Grain: rice and millet (not sure about this one!!!)
Veg: carrots, parsnips, sweet potato, white potato, broccoli, squash
Fruits: bananas, pears, pinnaple
Any ideas? Would you take anything out or add that would be safe?
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wish i could help you. i had the same problem finding food lists. thats why i just went with starting by eliminating the major allergens...
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Megan did Eloise give you a good link to an ED that was pretty comprehensive?
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Here is a question, wonder if anyone knows the answer. So far, LOs poos were green and mucusy. After a few days of eliminating major allergens (all dairy, soya, wheat, eggs and nuts and citrus fruits), her skins has improved (though it could be because I'm using double cream on it?), her drooling is the same, the crying is the same but the poos are different - yellow- brown but very runny and watery. Is that a sign of improvement or getting worse?
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To me that would be promising. Any change after a few days for the better is good! It takes up to 2+weeks to get the allergens out of both your systems and then another few wks for your lo's gut to heal. That means it could be a full month before your LO would be *normal*.
For me skin clears up quick...2 days is easily the case. Their skin cell turn over is fast! That is also why you can see a skin reaction within a few hrs (at least we do here)
Stick with it...I would feel good about the progress if it were me. :-*
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Thanks. But what about the constant diarrhoea? And the constant crying? Well, not constant but always about 30-45 mins after a feed and then 2 hrs after a feed which lasts as long as she does a poo - which is a lot runnier than before the stricter ED?
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poos are different - yellow- brown but very runny and watery
not sure what age your LO is but that sounds like a good breastfed baby's poo!!!
We are doing dairy free (I can't take cold cows milk and DS1 is on dairy free diet) - DS2 seems to get mucousy with dairy so trying dairy free (and soya as DS1 can't tolerate that) ..... I got the dr to give us Neocate as a back up for times I can't feed him (if out, sore, having a lie in!!) - Oliver took it no problem :) (me and DH went out for a meal!!!).
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LO is 11 weeks old. No, unfortunately, it's not good. Just had a look at the poos page in here and hers is definitely very musucy. It's so watery that it runs if you move the nappy...
I keep obsessing what if this diet doesn't work either? Will she ever stop crying? It breaks my heart to see her in so much pain.
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Megan did Eloise give you a good link to an ED that was pretty comprehensive?
Yes she did: http://failsafediet.wordpress.com/the-rpah-elimination-diet-failsafe/
I thought it was in this post somewhere, but I guess I'm getting confused with posts. This isn't the diet that I'm doing after all tho, I decided to just start with the major problem foods. I know egg must be one problem for Milo - I ate them yesterday and he screamed for 4 hours last night and threw up three times throughout the night :(
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Oh dear, that doesn't sound good. HAve you heard of this diet? Is it any good?
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/t041200.asp
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That's kinda what I've been doing... I started with the turkey, squash, and rice that he suggested, tho I didn't eat any turkey b/c I didn't have any and b/c the only turkey you can get in the store here has broth in it that probably has soy, but almost definitely has some form of MSG. I saw improvement after only 3 days and really felt I needed to add in more nutritious foods... my supply had lowered a bit and I was getting *really* sick of rice. Rather than add one or two foods every 4 days as Dr. Sears suggests, I decided to just go for it and add in everything except the common allergens, plus citrus, tomato, and chemicals (such as MSG, etc.) So now I eat everything except corn, soy, dairy, wheat, egg, nuts, citrus/tomato and chemicals. I tried to introduce egg yesterday and we had an awful night, so I won't be eating that again anytime soon...
FWIW, if your daughter's poo went from green to yellow, imo you're *definitely* on the right track, even if it's still a bit watery. I think both my kids had watery poo, and while Milo may have some intolerances, Ellen never did.
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So you only had squash, and rice for 3 days? No meat at all? I don't think I could survive on that. Did you have rice bread or just pure rice?
Yes, the poos aren't green anymore but she is crying more! A lot more. Like 5-6 hrs a day. Surely that is not normal. You feel her tummy spasming and then the crying starts.
How do you know what has chemicals in it? And what is MSG? I am so new to all this, I have no idea.
Today I have had rice bread with banana, potatoes, sweet potato, turkey (out from a supermarket so probably not good, right?) and a pear.
How does this sound?
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Eating low in chemicals means low amounts of salicylates, amines and glutamates as well as no addtives or preservatives. Here is a salicylate list. THis website also tells you how to eat low in all the others....
http://failsafediet.wordpress.com/the-rpah-elimination-diet-failsafe/salicylate-content-of-foods/
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No, no meat, but I did have bananas too, I forgot to say. By no chemicals, I just meant things like those that I can't pronounce in the ingredient list.
I feel for you on the crying. Milo screamed for 4 hours last night. He just started up again tonight, but I think DH already has him quiet... FX!! I'm so sorry your LO is still screaming so much - for you and for her!!
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Lots of hugs xxxx
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I'm sorry I haven't been back to post a reply!
For what it's worth my LO took FOREVER to get completely rid of all the mucuous from his diapers, I would say a little over 4 wks. His poops went from green to yellow/brownish pretty quick, and the blood disappeared too. But his diapers never went to "normal" seedy yellow like when he was first born. They were always runny and I was worried he wasn't getting enough good fat, but his growth has always been great and the doctor wasn't worried, and so far developmentally he's right on track.
I would encourage you guys to stick with BFing if you can. I've read that LO's with intolerances/allergies actually have a higher chance of outgrowing them when their BF'd. My doctor was really pushy with formula too and didn't offer much help at first, but I stuck to it and he's now almost 8 months and doing great. I'm still avoiding a ton of foods, but I've gotten used to it.
I also wanted to add that my LO has started on baby foods, and he had a reaction to infant cereal (rice and oatmeal!) The oatmeal gave him a head to toe hive and he was miserable. That was only a few hours after eating it, it really gave me the affirmation I was looking for by sticking to BFing.
Finally, here is the site I was talking about for the TED diet:
http://www.infantreflux.org/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=43
And when I said my LO tolerates most meats, fruits, and vegetables I just meant that I haven't eaten some things...like lamb, haven't had it so I don't know how he'd react to it. I don't like pears or peaches, so I'm not sure how he'd do with them because I don't each them, etc.
Anyway, good luck!! You're doing great!!
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I also wanted to add that my LO has started on baby foods, and he had a reaction to infant cereal (rice and oatmeal!) The oatmeal gave him a head to toe hive and he was miserable. That was only a few hours after eating it, it really gave me the affirmation I was looking for by sticking to BFing.
OMG this gives me more hope!! Yesterday and the day before, Milo screamed for HOURS... I thought it was the egg, but I also added oatmeal the same day and just pretty much assumed it wasn't the problem. I ate oatmeal yesterday too, thinking the problem was the egg, but he screamed his head off again last night. Today I didn't eat the oatmeal (or the beef I ate both days) and he's not screaming yet (huge FX that I'm not jinxing it!!). Crazy if it is the oatmeal - not even something I thought to eliminate!!
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I know! Who would have thought oatmeal?? Funny enought I can eat it and he does okay, it was only when he ate it directly. I have read that grains can be hard on their GI tracts especially for sensitive babies. So I'm hoping it's more of an intolerance than an allergy and that when his system matures he'll grow out of it. We'll see.
As a side note, you mentioned the egg and wondering if he was having problems with that, I had a heck of a time figuring out that my LO was reacting to tomatoes, so you never know, it's good to get a base where he's symptom free and then add things back in.
Good luck :)
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I have cut out oats and all cereals a weeks ago but still eating rice and rice cereal and millet cereal? Could they cause problems?
My sister said (she is the one with allergies in the family) that she was sensitive to tomatoes and strawberries so I have been avoiding those. This gave me the idea that DD was sensitive to sals.
Rachel, your story is encouraging because DD's poops are always yellow/brown now, sometimes seedy, sometimes watery and sometimes still mucusy. BUT she still cries SO MUCH and sleep is terrible! When did that improve for you? When was your LO a bit more settled despite the not perfect poos?
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Not sure if I already meantioned this but if you like I'll send you some more info on the failsafe (RPAH elimination diet) diet like a recipe book, salicylate charts & food challenge protocol. Just PM your email address :)
THere are many ways to skin a cat but I can say that my son was symptom free like he didn't have reflux or any sore gut or anything in 6-8 weeks (but on meds and a thickener too) and probably 80% more settled within 2-3 weeks of being on the diet. From week 3-8 was diet tweaking as i wouldn't accept anything less than beautiful poo and hardly any refluxing ::)
In hindsight it was the preservatives and additives and the salicylates that were causing all the problems as I was dairy/soy/ free from the moment he was born and additionally egg and wheat free at 3 weeks old.
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When you mean preservatives, do you just mean artificial? Cos this rice bread I have says its free from artificial preservatives?
Also, waht about the likes of chicken stock cubes?
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Well, no screaming last night! I'm going to be very careful when I add in other grains as well.
In hindsight it was the preservatives and additives and the salicylates that were causing all the problems as I was dairy/soy/ free from the moment he was born and additionally egg and wheat free at 3 weeks old.
Wow Elo!! You have iron will!!! Do you eat soy/dairy/wheat/egg now that you know it's salicylates and additives? Or is he intolerant to those too?
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This is the bad news about the diet Megan! I still haven't got around to doing all the food challenges! They can't be done if they are sick, teething, sleep training or within 72 hours of shots. Since he was 6 months old it has been virtually impossible to get a good run at anything ::) I tried wheat 3 times and kept getting slightly mucus poos then he would start teething hardcore! He teethes for weeks on end. Teething brings mucus in poos and so does colds/flus.
We are yet to do soy. I nefer bothered with dairy as I know it was a problem and I didn't want to put him through it until he was 1 (as I need to know if he can drink eat various milks). I did egg at about 7 months though and he passed! I always had a hunch he would grow out of that one as it was more about the sulphur making him gassy with explosive egg smelling poos from the eggs as opposed to the protein being a problem. So when his gut matured he bit has could handle them.
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wow that's really interesting. I guess any ED is more complicated than just not eating certain things. I guess I really have no idea what I'm doing. Last time I tried to add in a food (egg) he screamed for 4 hours that night and the next (which is why I now think it was actually the oats I ate, not the egg) but now I'm scared to try egg again... or anything else ::) I just don't know that I can handle the screaming right now, with Ellen's NW too. :-\
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Megan - keep a food diary and a note of when Milo is upset etc - just incase you think one food was the cause and later on are not so sure .... lots of hugs. It's really tough thinking what you are eating is upsetting your LO but you are being the best Mum by working out what is upsetting him and doing something about it. It will get easier ....
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oh yes for any food challenge I keep logs or any new food I still refer back to them. Basically just write the food you ate and the symptoms... the date and the day of eating that food. For example: day 1 egg - settled, Day 2 egg - settled with long NWing etc Logs for all foods are a good idea in the early days too
Hugs its horrible I know when they are reacting. I hear you :-\ and you have a new baby, it must be so hard for you! That is another reason why its taken me so long to do the challenges, a failed challenge is so hard to handle - unsettledness, tiredness, the downer of failing the challenge that i was very reluctant to stray from the baseline of symptom free!
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What I did with Murray was bought a day-to-view diary and wrote the food and drink and his poos :-X on that page at roughly the right time of day to see if I could see any patterns .... was thorough which was good but hard for glancing quickly to see an overview!!
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yeah, I need to be better about logging it, I know. I'm ANAL about logging sleep and I still don't do so good at that right now b/c I'm so sleep deprived. That and the fact that it's hard b/c he'll fall asleep and then wake up and be up and down for ages with burps or whatever.
Thanks for all the support!
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day-to-view diary and wrote the food and drink and his poos on that page at roughly the right time of day to see if I could see any patterns .... was thorough which was good but hard for glancing quickly to see an overview!!
Such a great idea!! I made up my own and it was super helpful, but never thought to just get a diary DUH!!!! :)
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Could brussels srouts make my baby more gassy and usettled as usual? Had some today and had a worse day than yesterday! Could be just my paranoia through.
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brussel sprouts are a gas forming food, if cooked longer than 5 mins will produce sulphur. If the sulphur is causing problems for your LO you may want to go moderately on the eggs and everything in the onion/leek family. So make sure they are lightly steamed before eating.
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Please help me figure this out! I did something stupid yesterday - had 3 different foods that tbh I thought would all be fine. But I ad a terrible night with 4 sets of mucousy poos, lots of wind and load of nwks.
The foods I had were: brussels sprouts, 2 bananas and salmon.
If I have to go moderately on brussel sprouts and leeks - what do I eat? As these are the low sals ones...
I feel like giving up. Should I not see some improvement by now? This is awful... (sorry for the rant)
Eloise, could you send me the link to the booklet to buy again please?