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Title: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 21, 2012, 03:42:45 am
Hello! My name is Nicole and I'm new here. I gave birth to a beautiful, healthy baby boy 6 weeks ago today. I have tried from the beginning to get him to latch and he won't. I saw a lactation consultant in the hospital and still no luck with him latching. He would occassionally latch with the shield, but refuses that now. I hired a lactation consultant to come to my home and she was wonderful and he latched the entire time she was here with a shield (wouldn't take breast) and that night he wouldn't. I have read and read and read and tried so many things and nothing is working. I kangaroo him as much as I can (I have 6 yr old twins to tend to as well). One time 2 weeks ago he latched on the breast during kangarooing. Last night I tried the only thing I haven't, bathing with him. He latched and I was so happy. Then the next feeding he wouldn't. I tried bathing with him today and he wouldn't latch. I read that there is hope that he still will, but I'm losing hope. It's difficult to pump and take care of my family. I will do that if I have to, but really really want him to exclusively breastfeed. Any tips? Have any of you dealt with this?

Thank you much for reading this and your input. I truly appreciate it.  :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Roseii on February 21, 2012, 11:15:28 am
Hi so sorry to hear you're having trouble, has he been checked for tongue tie?
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 21, 2012, 17:46:22 pm
Yes, he's not tongue tied.  Thanks for your response!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Roseii on February 21, 2012, 19:15:42 pm
Did your LC have any more tips? I'm so sorry I don't have any experience with this :-\ Did she check his latch when he was actually was latched on? Have you tried a different position such as under the arm "rugby" hold? And perhaps squeezing a bit when he's near latchinf so he knows milk is coming? And of course lots of skin to skin as you're doing.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 21, 2012, 19:51:40 pm
What did the LC suggest you do or that it could be?  I'd be wondering about some sort of oral issue as well if he won't latch on at all (tongue tie being the most obvious).  Presumably the LC checked for TT?  If so, how did she do it?  Was it a quick glance or did she have a good feel?

Did he have any issues at birth that might be a factor?

Sorry for all the questions :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: kellyincali on February 21, 2012, 22:32:53 pm
I wanted to offer some hugs! That sounds so frustrating for you and DS. Does he seem like he wants to latch or is he completely uninterested?

If he's uninterested, have you thought about using some kind of wrap or sling and keeping him next to your bare breast for several hours at a time? I know you said you kangaroo as much as possible, but you can do it "on the go" with a sling. Here are some How-Tos on how to get him to stay there: http://magiccityslingers.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/hands-free-breastfeeding-in-a-wrap/ Or maybe he's not hungry when you're trying to feed him? Perhaps stretching his time between feeds will motivate him to eat?

If he's interested and just can't latch on, what about using a supplemental nursing system? Then at least he will always be eating at the breast and perhaps he'll catch on after awhile. http://www.medelabreastfeedingus.com/products/51/supplemental-nursing-system-sns <--an example of an SNS. I've never used one, so I can't recommend a brand, but I have a friend who had to use one with her baby in the beginning (baby was premature) and found this one easy to use.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 21, 2012, 22:35:54 pm
Kelly, baby needs to be able to latch to effectively use an SNS as they attach to the breast and LO sucks on the tubing at the same time as suckling at the breast.

FWIW, the Medela one is quite good (I have one)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: kellyincali on February 21, 2012, 22:55:36 pm
Fiver, good to know! Scratch the SNS, then.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Vicku on February 22, 2012, 13:31:04 pm
I'm currently studying to become a lactation consultant here in Sweden and on my course we learnt about "laid-back breastfeeding/biological nurturing" and this was suggested for babies having these problems. Have a look at this website :)
http://www.biologicalnurturing.com/

Don't give up yet, there is still time to make this work if that is what you want. I've heard about a 4mo finally accepting the breast after similar circumstances.
How are you currently feeding him? Cup, bottle?
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 22, 2012, 13:47:42 pm
Great suggestion re BN (why didn't I think of that? ;) )
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 22, 2012, 15:20:27 pm
Thank you so much for all your responses.  I truly appreciate it and can't wait to read the links. 

When the LC was here, he only latched with the shield.  She said he had a good latch with it.  She was wonderful and I'm contemplating having her come back, but not sure what else she can do.  She had a very laid back philosophy.  Let him wake when he wants, don't worry about waking him to eat at 3 hrs, listen to what he's telling you (reading his signs).  She was just calm and wonderful and really seemed to understand babies.  It all made sense to me, but then I had my pedi telling me to not let him go more than 3 hrs without eating at that age (under 2 weeks).  I also am going to look into going to a LL meeting.  I feel like I have read and done everything I can, but will keep at it! 

I don't know how to multi quote so I'll just answer the questions here.  :)  He isn't remotely interested in latching.  When I put my breast to his mouth (I was told to put it by his nose and bring down to his mouth), he does nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  It's like I'm putting any object there to him.  :(  I've tried nursing at all different times...when he's hungry, when he's not, when he could be starting to get hungry.  Nothing. 

He's definitely not tongue tied.  I double checked with his pediatrician.  The nurses and LC in the hospital and the LC that came to my house said that I have "perfect" nipples for breastfeeding.  So there aren't any physical issues.  Also, no issues at birth.  I had a c-section and I heard that the drugs used can affect initial breast feeding. 

I tried the SNS at a class I went to at the hospital where I had him.  He wouldn't latch on so it couldn't be used. :(  It was the Medela one.

I've tried different positions and when I was using the shield (the few times he did latch on with it) he preferred the football hold.

I'm currently feeding him with Medela bottles with a slow flow nipple.  I just started the slow flow nipples and not the ones that came with the bottles a couple days ago after reading that they're better (since it's harder to get milk out like a breast) if you want to transition to the breast.

Again, thank you so much.  I had premature b/g twins who I pumped for 13 months.  I never in a million years knew that bf could be so hard.  I just assumed that my son would bf straight from birth.  I am determined to keep trying!  I really really want this to work.  People tell me that he's still getting the breastmilk and that's most important and I do agree, however I want that bonding experience with him.  My other son (one of the twins) would bf sometimes and it was one of the best experiences of my life. 
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 22, 2012, 15:23:27 pm
One more question.  I was trying with the shield bc that's how he would occassionally latch.   A couple weeks ago, he started fighting the shield so badly (furiously shaking his head side to side causing shield to fall off although there was milk in shield so I knew he was getting it) that I stopped offering the breast with a shield and started just offering the breast.  He wasn't interested except that one time kangarooing and then a few days ago in the bath.  Should I continue to not offer shield?  To just offer breast?  I read stuff supporting both so am unsure.  I know personally I hate the shield, but if it gets him to the breast I'll do it.  I just thought that we had a breakthrough that first time kangarooing (I believe it was 2 weeks ago today so he was 4 weeks 2 days old).  We didn't though as he only latched on once in the bath after that. 

Thank you for your time.  It's greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 22, 2012, 15:33:14 pm
I'm currently studying to become a lactation consultant here in Sweden and on my course we learnt about "laid-back breastfeeding/biological nurturing" and this was suggested for babies having these problems. Have a look at this website :)
http://www.biologicalnurturing.com/

Don't give up yet, there is still time to make this work if that is what you want. I've heard about a 4mo finally accepting the breast after similar circumstances.
How are you currently feeding him? Cup, bottle?

I just watched the video, that's exactly how he first latched when he did kangarooing.  He hasn't since tho.  Do you have any ideas why he won't latch?  Why he seems to have no clue 99% of the time what to do with my breast?  I offer him the breast about 8x a day.  I've done fewer b/c I don't want to overwhelm him, but lately do about 8x a day.  Thank you. :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 22, 2012, 16:15:41 pm
How did the paed/LC check for the tongue tie?  Sorry to keep going on about it, but if they just looked it is possible that there is a tie there that hasn't been noticed (not always possible to see a posterior tongue tie).

When you offer the breast, does he open his mouth to try to latch even?  Did he latch on immediately after delivery?

IIWY, I'd have the LC come back and get along to the LLL meeting too.  At least one of them ought to have some sort of idea on seeing you in person on a way forward for you.

For now, if he will latch with the nipple shield, I'd go with that (annoying as they are).  Just make sure you're getting plenty of skin to skin when using the shield (you may have to turn the shields round by 90 degrees to get as much of LO's face touching the breast).  If he can get the hang of latching on with the shield you can always wean that later on.

Also here's some more info about using nipple shields - http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/baby/wean-shield.html
And reasons why LOs sometimes won't latch and some help to overcome that - http://www.nbci.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54:when-baby-does-not-yet-latch&catid=5:information&Itemid=17
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 22, 2012, 16:34:56 pm
How did the paed/LC check for the tongue tie?  Sorry to keep going on about it, but if they just looked it is possible that there is a tie there that hasn't been noticed (not always possible to see a posterior tongue tie).

When you offer the breast, does he open his mouth to try to latch even?  Did he latch on immediately after delivery?

IIWY, I'd have the LC come back and get along to the LLL meeting too.  At least one of them ought to have some sort of idea on seeing you in person on a way forward for you.

For now, if he will latch with the nipple shield, I'd go with that (annoying as they are).  Just make sure you're getting plenty of skin to skin when using the shield (you may have to turn the shields round by 90 degrees to get as much of LO's face touching the breast).  If he can get the hang of latching on with the shield you can always wean that later on.

Also here's some more info about using nipple shields - http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/baby/wean-shield.html
And reasons why LOs sometimes won't latch and some help to overcome that - http://www.nbci.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54:when-baby-does-not-yet-latch&catid=5:information&Itemid=17
They looked in his mouth.  I don't think they did anything else.  They also said his tongue was moving fine.  I also had my stepmom who is a NICU nurse look.  I was in tears over breastfeeding at his 1 week weight check, so I think the pedi looked pretty well. 

It's hit or miss when I offer the breast.  Most of the time he does nothing, won't even open his mouth a little.  Once in awhile he'll open his mouth but won't latched.  If it goes in, his mouth doesn't even close. 

I'll try next feeding with the shield.  He rarely latched with the shield, but definitely was more successful than the breast.  Thank you for the links. Going to check them out.  I can't say how very much I appreciate any help I get.  :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Canwi on February 22, 2012, 17:49:29 pm
Having read your thread here hon, I think you need to find some help to mind your twins and really focus your attention 110% on BFing your LO. 

I am making an assumption that you are pumping and bottlefeeding expressed breast milk to your LO given that he is continuing to grow.  Do be sure to use the slowest possible flow nipple/teat to avoid flow preference where LO decides it's not worth the effort to get milk from the breast as it gushes out of a bottle nipple/teat. 
I am also assuming that you are offering breast before bottle feeding LO to get the maximum chance of him being hungry enough to latch.
Have you tried feeding him when he is half asleep?  I had to do this with DS2 due to his reflux.  The theory is that they are awake enough to realise they are hungry, but not awake enough to make the associations of (in our case) pain or (in your case) origin of food.

I strongly encourage you to get the LC back.  Stick to one source of information and assistance in person as your help will then be able to remember what you have and have not tried.  While we can give you all sorts of suggestions, the help 'in real life' will be 10 times more use as they can see little things that we (and you) might miss.

I would also encourage you to pick one method and stick to it for a couple of days.  LO's need consistency to be able to learn, and switching from shield to breast often won't help the learning process. 
HTH
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: EnzoMama on February 22, 2012, 18:13:25 pm
I had a similar issue, don't give up. I really believe for us the success came from combination of factors. I should mention we started with a tongue tie (fixed in the hospital right after birth) and inverted nipples too. He hated the shields and would get so frustrated and cry so much but could not latch on without them at the beginning, I started to use a little suction device to bring out my nipples before feedings. After working with LC and not having luck just like you (he would latch when she was around but not other times), she referred me to Craniosacral Therapist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniosacral_therapy

The Sacral Therapist made series of very gentle adjustments and my baby started to latch on right after one treatment! He started to pull out his tongue while still in her office and he never did that before. He was 7 weeks then. I still had to practice with him bit more after to get into our groove and to be consistent-my dear friend sat with me and helped me over the weekend with feedings. After that he was an amazing eater. People were telling me that I will not be able to get him on but I did not listen...we got it!  This worked great for me, maybe it will work for you too. It was totally worth it!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 22, 2012, 19:16:52 pm
To effectively check for a tongue tie the paed/LC/whoever actually needs to put a finger in LO's mouth under the tongue to feel whether there is one there.  Some are obvious to see, but others lie underneath the mucal membrane and are invisible (a posterior or submucal tongue tie).  My DD had one and for all intents and purposes her tongue looked totally normal, but was shredding my nipples.

As Canwi said, please go back and get some real life help.  If your LC is a good one she should be taking you right back to your delivery to check whether there could've been some issue back there that is affecting things now. :-*
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: amayzie on February 22, 2012, 21:08:01 pm
When you are using the nipple shield are you putting it on correctly? When it's on the nipple needs to be sucked right up into the shield. If you just push the shield on to your nipple it won't go on. One way to get it to go on is to sort of turn the shield almost inside out (so it looks like a little mexican hat) and then turn it the right way while it's on your nipple. That way it will suck all of your nipple into the shield. If the shield isn't in place properly then your boy won't be getting enough milk- if any- and he'll simply be munching on the end of your nipple- OUCH!!

You might already have this under control- but sometimes it can be hard, and the instructions don't always come on the pack!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Ali* on February 22, 2012, 21:57:49 pm
Well done for persevering as long as you have so far.

Have you tried feeding him from a bottle in a similar position to how you would breast feed and then taking the bottle teat out and slipping your nipple in?

I agree that you need someone IRL to observe you BFing and work with you on this problem so do reach out as much as you can. 
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Erin M on February 23, 2012, 01:51:30 am
Just another thought -- the hospitals where I had my babies (my first was born in NJ too!) all had BFing support groups where they'd meet once or twice a week and there would generally be a LC on hand to answer questions -- do you know if that is available anywhere near you?  Also, I had a friend who persevered with nipple shields until her ds was 3 months, at which point he finally started latching without them.  So, if the nipple shields are working, I'd go with them. 
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: ZacsMumme on February 23, 2012, 03:05:38 am
SO many hugs hun, I have no experience with latching issues as such and im really just trying to ask a few questions that may or may not even help...figure more info the better though right
When your LO has latched does he feed well, does he suck vigorously?
Does he have any issues once feeding ie does he pop on and off the breast in possible discomfort, cry part way through the feed?
At his checks was there anything else that could possibly be related. Was everything else about his health in good order that you know if?

I agree with Erin re the support groups. In NZ there is a BF support group la-lache I think it is...do you have a similar thing there?

So many hugs hun, you are amazing for sticking with this :-*
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 23, 2012, 16:12:40 pm
Canwi, yes I am pumping and feeding him EBM.  I recently switched to the slow flow nipples and it's taking him almost 3x as long to finish a bottle and he's now taking 3 oz/bottle vs the 4 oz he was taking per bottle.  I have my mom here 2.5-3 days a week to help with the twins and meals and cleaning.  I do have the time then to try with him.  I just feel like I don't know what else to do since he won't even latch or seem to even know what the breast is for.  I think I will call back my LC.  I do have him with me most of the day(including co sleeping).  I just bought a Moby wrap yesterday and plan to do more skin to skin that way.  As far as consistency, I totally agree.  I just wish he would! :)  I haven't tried with the shield in over 2 weeks.  Just keep offering him the breast and him not knowing what to do with it. 

Enzomama, that is so interesting!  I have a call in to a chiropractor that does this!  I called at 4pm yesterday after reading this and am still waiting for a call back.  I actually just left a message for someone else that is certified in this, but they didn't have as many credentials as the chiropractor.  Thank you for this information.  I've never heard of it before. 

Fiver, I don't believe they put their finger in his mouth.  I do remember that my stepmom (NICU nurse) saw him screaming and his tongue was raised and based on that she said that his tongue looked 100% fine.  Can you tell from that?  His raised tongue? 

Amayzie, when I was using the shield, I'd wet the sides of it to ensure suction, but I didn't do it like you said.  Thank you for that information!  Never was told that before either. 

Ali, yes I tried that.  He just doesn't know that my breast is a source of food.  :(

Erin, my hospital does have that once a week.  I went to one and that's actually where I got the SNS and the LC was very nice and helpful and she couldn't understand either why he wouldn't latch.  It is on Thursdays and unfortunately I don't have anyone to help with getting the twins off the bus that day. 

Zacsmumme, when he has latched I only recall once him really sucking vigorously and heard consistent swallowing.  The other few times he had a strong suck and I know he was getting milk, but it wasn't the constant swallowing like I heard that one time.  The last few times I tried the shield, he was very frustrated and it kept coming off.  He didn't do that the prior times he'd latched on the shield. I don't think he was in any pain, I think he was just frustrated it wasn't coming out fast enough.  His health is great thankfully.  No issues at all.  His last pedi visit she said that he was getting the BM and that was the most important thing and I know it is.  However, I really really want to exclusively bf him.

I looked into LL meetings and they meet here the first week of the month.  Hopefully I can get childcare for the twins so I can go with ds. 

Thank you girls so much.  You've given me hope when it was dwindling and information that I didn't know about.  I appreciate it more than you know.  If bfing doesn't work, I need to know that I did everything in my power to get it to work.  But you have renewed my hope that there's a chance and for that I'm very grateful.  :)



Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: zeri on February 23, 2012, 16:27:25 pm
Wow, what great advice - I wish I had been on this site with my first LO!
just a brief though, if you DS really resisted the nipple-sheild, could he be sensitive to silicone? I know they are supposed to be hypoallergenic, but I used nipple sheilds when getting my DD to latch and ended up with a nasty rash.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 23, 2012, 16:32:53 pm
Wow, what great advice - I wish I had been on this site with my first LO!
just a brief though, if you DS really resisted the nipple-sheild, could he be sensitive to silicone? I know they are supposed to be hypoallergenic, but I used nipple sheilds when getting my DD to latch and ended up with a nasty rash.
I don't think so bc he latched I'd say 10 times prior to him fighting it.  Thank you though! :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Ali* on February 23, 2012, 18:32:32 pm
When you slipped him the breast mid-bottle did you squeeze some breast milk out so it was on the end for him to taste before he actually had to suck? If not that might be worth a go.

I really admire your dedication.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: kellyincali on February 23, 2012, 18:35:14 pm
HUGS again!

I looked into LL meetings and they meet here the first week of the month.  Hopefully I can get childcare for the twins so I can go with ds.

Even if you can't get childcare for the twins on the day of your LLL meeting, bring them with you!!!! LLL is full of really supportive women who want to help and won't mind watching your twins while you get some help. I took DS1 to meetings when DS2 was born and the ladies there helped out with him and I have done the same for other women. So if you can't get a sitter, don't despair, just bring them with. :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 23, 2012, 18:35:27 pm
When you slipped him the breast mid-bottle did you squeeze some breast milk out so it was on the end for him to taste before he actually had to suck? If not that might be worth a go.

I really admire your dedication.
Yes I did.  :(  
You girls are so kind with your help and encouragement.  Thank you.  :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 23, 2012, 18:35:53 pm
HUGS again!

I looked into LL meetings and they meet here the first week of the month.  Hopefully I can get childcare for the twins so I can go with ds.

Even if you can't get childcare for the twins on the day of your LLL meeting, bring them with you!!!! LLL is full of really supportive women who want to help and won't mind watching your twins while you get some help. I took DS1 to meetings when DS2 was born and the ladies there helped out with him and I have done the same for other women. So if you can't get a sitter, don't despair, just bring them with. :)
Never thought of that!  Great idea.  Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Ali* on February 23, 2012, 19:25:58 pm
And another thought I had was whether you could hand express some milk so it is spraying and try to spray it in his mouth. Might sound stupid but possibly worth a go. It occurred to me so I thought I'd mention it.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 23, 2012, 22:44:41 pm
I do remember that my stepmom (NICU nurse) saw him screaming and his tongue was raised and based on that she said that his tongue looked 100% fine.  Can you tell from that?  His raised tongue?

Not necessarily.  My DD's tongue looked fine, but she had a posterior tie which was beneath the skin under the back of her tongue.  It could only be felt by someone who knew what they were feeling for an who had spent sufficient time trying to help me and so had ruled out just about everything else.

Another thought, have you tried an exaggerated latch?  Mr Google will be able to help you with that if you enter it as a search term :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 24, 2012, 12:20:56 pm
Ali, that's a good idea, but he doesnt really have his mouth open a lot. Maybe I'll try and he'll lick his lips.  I'll try anything! :)

Fiver, thank you.   I actually have tried that. 

I have calls into 1 chiropractor and 2 OTs to discuss that craniosacral therapy.  I haven't gotten one call back.  :/
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 24, 2012, 13:01:02 pm
Really hope one calls you back or that you get to see the LC/LLL v soon

What happens if you try putting a finger into his mouth?  Will he suck on that?
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Amy* on February 24, 2012, 14:42:56 pm
I am not an expert like some of these lovely ladies....but my ds used to forget how to latch on, and I was told to quickly put my finger in his mouth let him suck, remove the finger after a few seconds and then try and latch him, this seemed to help....hugs for you, I am sure this isn't easy, but you have my admiration for being so determined and not to ave given up!!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 25, 2012, 03:43:29 am
Fiver, he does suck on my finger if I put it in his mouth.  The nurse who gave me progesterone shots during my pregnancy is also a midwife.  I called her today to ask about craniosacral therapy and she wasn't familiar with it.  She called another midwife friend of hers who recommended a chiropractor who works with infants and I got an appt with him on Tuesday.  From all my research on it, it seems completely positive even if it doesn't get him to latch.  I also have my LC coming back Monday. 

Amy, I'll try having him suck on my finger and then try to get him to latch!  Too bad we just finished a feeing! 

Thank you again, girls!  :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 26, 2012, 19:30:26 pm
Hopefully one of them will be able to give you some help.  My DD had a course of cranial osteopathy.  Not sure how much it helped with feeding, but certainly helped with her wind :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on February 27, 2012, 22:13:41 pm
We went to the craniosacral therapy today.  I liked the dr a lot.  Right after the therapy I went in another room and tried to get him to latch.  No luck.  I'm going back again next week to try again since sometimes it can take a couple times.  I have my LC coming again tomorrow.  And next week I am going to LL meeting.  If none of this gets him to latch I will just continue to pump for as long as I can!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Ali* on February 27, 2012, 22:26:30 pm
Praying something works for you guys. If not it certainly won't be for want of trying.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: amayzie on February 27, 2012, 22:28:50 pm
And next week I am going to LL meeting.  If none of this gets him to latch I will just continue to pump for as long as I can!

THese are both EXCELLENT plans! I'm so in awe of your dedication and commitment!! Great job!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: EnzoMama on February 27, 2012, 22:47:34 pm
Awesome! Yes-I was told it can take 2-3 visits as well. You are doing all the right stuff!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on February 28, 2012, 12:06:41 pm
Totally admire your tenacity.  You go, mama! :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on March 02, 2012, 12:58:55 pm
Thank you so much for your kind words.  They mean a lot.  The LC came on Tuesday and was here 4 hours.  He only latched a couple minutes on the shield before he started fighting it.  She was wonderful and said all I can do is keep offering and have patience.  I still have hope, but it's dwindling.  :(  I will try the therapy a couple more times and go to the LL meeting next week.  I don't know what else to do.  It's in his hands now. :) 
Again thank you for the encouragement.  :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on March 02, 2012, 19:42:54 pm
Still hoping for you :-*
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on March 02, 2012, 22:27:30 pm
Still hoping for you :-*
Thank you!  I've read a few different places that most babies with no issues who haven't latched will latch between 4-8 weeks.  He'll be 8 weeks Monday.  Somehow I think at this point it will be a miracle if he does. 
Forgot to add that I had my LC feel for that invisible tongue tie and he doesn't have it. 

Again I want to thank you all for your time.  I truly appreciate all the kind words and advice I've gotten here. :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Ali* on March 02, 2012, 22:40:23 pm
Keeping my fingers crossed for you.

Adorable avatar BTW!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: EnzoMama on March 03, 2012, 01:23:04 am
I just remember something else my LC had me do when we had issues with latch. She had me work on latching in the bath. He did latch better in water. Maybe its worth a try? Nice warm bath with mama? Might relax both of you :)

Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on March 04, 2012, 02:29:32 am
Ali, thank you!  I torture my kids with pictures.  :) 

EnzoMama, I did take a bath with him and that was the 2nd time he ever latched.  Then he never did again. :(  Thank you tho!  I even tried again in the bath and he wanted nothing to do with it. 

Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on March 07, 2012, 19:57:26 pm
How are you getting on, Nicole?
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on March 10, 2012, 16:50:27 pm
How are you getting on, Nicole?

Thank you for asking!  I just came on to update.  Luke is 24 hours bottle free!!!!!  He's latching on the shield, but it's a start! He's not fighting it and staying on for somewhere between 15-20 minutes.  I don't know what it was that got him to, but I am thrilled.  I did a second craniosacral therapy last week.  I don't know if it's coincidence or not.  I have a 3rd appt Monday, but think I am going to cancel as it's 40 minutes away and I know he'd have to eat.  I'm not comfortable bfing him out yet as I lie somewhat back to do it and it's somewhat difficult for me to get a comfortable position for him to latch on my right breast since I'm right handed.   And I don't want to give a bottle of expressed milk for fear he won't get back on me.  This was a long road!  He has been great with it.  No crying or problem at all.  It's like a miracle. I don't know what caused the change, but am so happy I stuck with it.  It's amazing how much better it is on all levels.  I love the feeling of directly nourishing him.  I love that I haven't pumped in over 24 hours.  I love that I don't have to worry about making bottles.  I love that I don't have to clean bottles and my breast pump parts.  Most of all I just love being close to him.  

He did latch 4 times (same feeding 2 times) on my direct breast.  When I offered it again tho, he wouldn't.  So I know that there's hope that one day I'll do away with the shield!

One question.  In the morning I usually pump a lot, between 11-12 ounces.  He ate at 5:40 and 7:40 and 9:45 this morning.  My breasts are still quite heavy.  Should I pump out a little?  I know my body will adjust in time, but I know he hasn't drank 12 ounces from me.  It was definitely very uncomfortable at 5:40, but now just a bit uncomfortable.

Thank you all SO much for your help.  I appreciate it more than you know.  Just coming on here and seeing a response from someone gave me hope.  Thank you!  
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Roseii on March 10, 2012, 16:56:58 pm
Oh Nicole that is wonderful!!! If you're uncomfortable maybe has express a little bit off, but you want the flow to be good for him so he doesn't need any reason to think taking the breast is too much hard work!! Congrats you're an amazing mum xxxx
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: EnzoMama on March 10, 2012, 18:06:49 pm
Oh my goodness! So happy for you! You made my day.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: ZacsMumme on March 10, 2012, 19:26:03 pm
Wonderful news! You are amazing!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on March 10, 2012, 19:36:34 pm
Oh, happy tears here!  I'm so pleased to read such an amazing update! ;D

Like Charli said, do what you need to feel comfortable :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Ali* on March 10, 2012, 21:30:33 pm
Oh I cannot believe it! I am so excited for you. :) :) :) When I saw you had updated this thread I was hoping for good news but was so pleased to see it. That is really fab.

I agree you should avoid the bottle for a good while.

I'm so happy :D
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: kellyincali on March 10, 2012, 23:21:39 pm
Excellent job, mama! You are SUCH an inspiration. I think I may have to bookmark this thread and send it to friends who are having trouble breastfeeding. You managed to start an informational discussion and I am so pleased to hear good news from you.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Erin M on March 11, 2012, 02:38:58 am
Woohoo!!  :)
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on March 11, 2012, 17:54:41 pm
You girls are seriously so kind to be so happy for me!  He is still bottle free well over 48 hours! 
I'm going to put my pump in a closet today and hope I don't see it for a LONG time!  lol 
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Ali* on March 11, 2012, 18:18:33 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Fiver on March 11, 2012, 19:45:59 pm
;D  Yay!
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Roseii on March 11, 2012, 20:18:36 pm
:) ;D :'( :-*
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Vicku on March 17, 2012, 08:23:20 am
Hi Nicole!
I came to see how you'd been getting on. Been thinking about you actually and would have really wanted to be able to give you more support, but with a newborn here myself, who is having colic, I've not had much time to come online. I am so so so pleased to read your update and I really REALLY admire your persistance and patience! Wow :D Just told my DH about you and your DS, and will be telling others who are struggling in the beginning too as it's inspiring to hear of someone else who didn't give up and who had success. I am so happy for you and you have my full respect girl! ;) :D
How is it going now? Are still using the sheild? I hope it is still going well :-*

Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: Nicole3 on October 09, 2014, 02:15:04 am
I know it's been such a long time since I posted this thread.  I just want to update for anyone who has gone through what I did. My son is 2.5 and STILL nursing!  I really credit some of the wonderful people here for their help and kindness.  With all the internet sources I read about latching, hearing from actual moms who have been there made all the difference and gave me hope. Thank you again.
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: *Ali* on October 09, 2014, 06:28:13 am
Wow what a lovely update.  Thanks for taking the time to let us know.  Happy to hear you guys are still enjoying nursing ;D
Title: Re: 6 weeks old and still won't latch
Post by: ZacsMumme on October 10, 2014, 09:01:33 am
Such a lovely update! Well done you Hun!