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EAT => Food Allergies => Topic started by: my3girlsjde on March 09, 2012, 23:43:56 pm
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I *think* it's from a bite of orange she got from the girls. She had it yesterday and the girls informed me they gave her a piece yesterday also ::). She's a bit irritable but not too bad.
Should I put anything on this? The skin seems pretty scaly and I would think itchy but she's not scratching.
Anyone experience this before?
Adding to the portfolio of pics for the allergist.
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Vicky, imo it does look like a reaction. Hugs! Can you see little bumps like tiny pimples? Have you tried hydrocortisone? the GP should prescribe. I was told 1% is fairly mild enough to put anywhere, but the pharmacy always needs prescription. nurse told us to put it 10-20 minutes after the moisturiser. he nurse also told us to do it in 7 day blocks, so first twice a day, then once, then once a week to wean off it. Otherwise, we use a moisturisor for eczema and the nurse said each kid will tolerate different brand. ours likes Oilatum. So we put it on 3-4 times. We also put 50/50 (soft parafin and liquid prafin) ointment at night after emollient bath. Again I was told that one is fairly neutral as meant to have no preservatives. Has she ever had orange before? We get similar from overheating, temperature, teeth, food left on a face after meal, viral and due to eggs, among other food allergies. So could be a lot of things. M also first got his all over rash due to a hayfever after being out on a freshly cut grass, so was not food related.
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I always use Aquaphor for dry skin issues.
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I would be leery of any long term use of any steroid, mild or not. Cortisone on face = cataracts. Better thing to use is Elidel or protopic.
I agree first 2 pics definitely looks like a type of reaction. Moisturise the skin, monitor her poop and demeanour. It may not be an allergic reaction per se, but more a sensitivity, IYKWIM, and may just agitate the skin, but hopefully not the rest of her. Sounds like you have your hands full!! HUGS!
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Thanks all. We've decided to wait on treating as it doesn't seem to bother her yet. My guess is with her body so out of wack right now she's going to be super sensitive to everything. We were joking tonight that peanut butter at this point would probably make her spontaneously combust ::)
This does look similar to the reaction she had over Christmas but hasn't had that same food since.
I'm curious what this will do to her sleep as she's pretty grumpy now. Just gone to sleep so fingers crossed.
And big FX this doesn't itch enough to warrant treatment.. When I saw it getting scaly I was pretty concerned but not so much now. Just something else to add to themystery of this child.
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Spencer turns red like that when she has eggs, but it covers her whole body. Oranges kill her insides, but no rashes so far. Fx that she has a good nights sleep for you!
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I hope the rash does not become itchy. It is so hard when they seem to reacxt to pretty much evrything.
~~~~~~~~~~~~Lots of good sleep vibes for E~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kelly x
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No thoughts but such a gorgeous happy little girl :-*
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Yes, i was meaning to say that too! She is so lovely and content on these pics! Also forgot to say it but I'd go to GP before any treatment beyon a moisturiser if this is unusual for her. My DS has an eczema that is set off by many things so in our case steroids and other treatments are always on repeat prescription so I don't see the GP each time unless it is something more than usual. Good sleepy vibes for all the family! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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She is a happy girl most days and truly an angelic joy to have.
Unfortunately that's how we know so quickly somethin is up.
The cheeks calmed down last night and she woke up with them completely clear. Within 20 mins of eating a banana this morning they flared up again. Then we realized she's been having a few bites of banana every day this week. They were questionable food but tbh EVERYTHING is now a questionable food.
But I guess the important part is that it doesn't seem to bother her skin. I'm surprised but thrilled nonetheless.
I'm hoping and praying for an 'aha' moment with this child.
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Yep - looks like salicylate cheeks hun- cheeks of a chemically sensitive child. Kai's go scaly only the centre of the pink patches, then just pink all around. They go up and down, flare by nafternoon after eating problem foods, then is sleep off that night.
He has not had these cheeks for a long while now - some
Months. A few months ago I increased his salicylates gently over a few weeks and the cheeks started to develop. For him, it's the same spot each time on his cheeks.
Orange is high in sals. Bananas are high in amines. Preservatives and additives will call similar reactions. It is a build up thing - one orange might not do it, but a week of high chems might be the issue.
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Eloise can an allergist test for chemical sensitivities or is this a trial and error kind of thing?
She was also only scaly in the centre, but when she was quite small, she had scales all over her cheeks. We didn't think much at the time because my big girls were like that at the same age as well.
Might be a bit of a silver lining where I have the next two months to get some research done.
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Unfortunately there are no medical tests for this. This is what Kai has, it's food intolerance and some of the causes are due their detoxification pathways not working very well. It is diagnosed via elimination diet and food challenge. It can be improved by supporting the liver with nutrients such as zinc, b6, b12 to help the body metabolize salicylates, amines etc. it is a long term treatment and the nutrients that are prescribed vary from child to child. The aim is to improve their base nutrient status sonthe biochemistry of the body biochemistry can operate as it needs to produce enzymes for digestion and raise general
Immune function. Kids that have food intolerances generally have over active immune systems and they need lots of support in this area. A practitioner or if lucky a doctor well versed in gut health, nutritional science or trained by Dr Walsh of Pffieffer institute or Walsh institute will know exactly what to do in this area.
An amazing book is soon the be released by Dr Walsh summarizing his 20 years of research in biochemical approaches to disease, mental Ralph management and gut health. I will find some links!
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http://www.walshinstitute.org/
Here are links!!
Here is the Australian website for trained practitioners - biobalance.org.au
http://www.biobalance.org.au/about/walsh-research-institute
Don't be put off by the talk of
Metal health - it all falls within the same umbrella and is essentially about gut health. If the gut is healed, then the food intolerances, allergies and other condition aggravated by gut issues will be healed or greatly improved.
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Sadly I don't think I'm going to be able to find a Dr in my area, however this is definitely going to be researched in my house now. A lot of this fits her, and could easily explain away that 'missing link' we've been looking for in the past two years. So could celiac for that matter so we're also looking into that. At this point, we just want answers and have no idea even what to hope for.
We also noticed how incredibly gassy she is when she gets these reactions. Something is definitely going on in her gut at this time as well.
But I definitely agree with hyperactive immune system. We've got multiple food issues, (had reflux), eczema, asthma and sleep apnea. There's a missing link here causing all of this...............
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For me my answer to ALL her symptoms
Is gut health. Whether it be restoring bacterial imbalance, whether it be providing vitamins an minerals the it needs to function properly, or whether it be to heal a leaky gut and support the immune system with supplements. When you consider that our immunity lies within our gut walls then it makes sense that we need to pay close attention to gut health.
Vicki, it's such an epic journey to have children as we do and you are amazing in the way that you deal with this. I think dr walshs book will give you a lot of answers! I hope do anyway. It is just being released now.
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or whether it be to heal a leaky gut and support the immune system with supplements
this is something that stood out in my reading about celiac as well. And ITA about gut health being the possible root of all evil in the mysteries of our health. I've seen too much not to believe that. It's incredibly intimidating though to try to figure it all out without the guidance of a Dr who's on board. That's pretty well landed us here trying to sort this kid out two years later.
And if this is a sals thing, and she's overloaded right now, my instinct would be that a scratch test would have her reacting to a lot of things yes?
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Oh and is chemical sensitivity a lifelong thing? Can it be outgrown?
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Vicki, they are all good questions!
I don't feel that chemical sensitivty is a lifelong thing, esepcially if the pathways involved are through the liver, detoxification and enzymes like Kai, all these areas can be improved greatly with the right nutrient support. He may need to be on supplements for life, (actually he WILL need to be on zinc and acitivated and non-activated b6 for life due to Pyroluria).
If she is overloaded right now I guess her immune system will be in fight mode and very overactive. IF she is going toshow a result on a scratch test for wheat, ever, she may do so now. But I really don't know enough about allergies. I do know that allergies cab present at any time and can be linked to a major illness or major stressful period in one's life.
Kai had scratch tests about 6 months ago and he came up negative even though he got swellings up to 4mm... they said it was borderline but not to wrroy as they are still not classed as allergies. But it confirmed something that we already know, he has an overactive immune system and it needs a hell of a lot of support.
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Vicki, sorry i am not sure which thread to reply to about more info about NAET. lol cant seem to find the thread. I think i forgot to mention about the book that you can read. it is called "say goodbye to illness", there is also a handbook to NAET which gives information about what you do before, during and after the treatment. It has lists of all the things they check and what are the common things that contain them. i got a lot of clues just reading what the possible allergens might be. You can get the books on amazon.
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Thanks Koe :-*
I did mention it to dh and he's not supportive of it :(. I know the price factor is a big thing but we've had no experience first or second hand IRL with homeopathic or naturopathic types of healing. And I have to respect that where this is his child too. Thanks for the info and I'll keep it on the back burner in case we exhaust all other avenues (I hope not) and we get the chance to revisit it.
But I am happy to report that since taking wheat and gluten out of E's diet we have a happy child who has sttn for the past two nights even with the apnea. She is tolerating higher acidic foods and hasn't had a reaction in days if not a week ;D I really truly wonder if the wheat and/or gluten has been overloading her system all this time and causing her to react to so many other foods? Her breathing is great though that could be the proper inhaler use but I always had a thought that some of these breathing episodes were also food related because of how quickly she got raspy after eating certain foods (usually those with wheat or gluten).
So as of right now we have a happy, symptom free little girl. More info for her ever increasing file for the ENT and allergist .
Oh and funny thing is we gave the big girls a banana and they also got pink cheeks. Not as drastic but still a difference .
Now here is the fun dilemma: we're torn on taking the symptom free child to the allergist who may not test as she has been in the past few months or we start giving her wheat and gluten about a week before the appointment so the allergist can get an idea of what sensitivities we're truly dealing with when she's overloaded. Dh wants to not quite overload her but certainly get an accurate showing of how she has been before we cleared her up. I tend to agree with him even though it'll cause her some discomfort. I *need* the allergist to see what she's been like so we can find the root cause. But I'm torn on doing it because of guilt of putting her through it. Stupid, stupid guilt. KWIM?
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Vicky, don't give her anything, please! I just finally got the results of DS January blood tests last week. Turns out he is allergic to egg scale 3 out of 6, peanut on a score 2 out of 6 (iI found that via a call earlier without the score ratings so excluded them for 2 months from mine and his diet and have seen a huge difference) but also to wheat, chickpea and coconut (score 2 out of 6) and fish, hazelnut, soy and dairy (score 1 of 6). So the dairy and soy scores have gone down but the egg was still causing a problem. I am not cutting out wheat yet as he seems to tolerate it, however I did cut out coconut and chickpeas.
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you dont need to give it to her. Just from your journal is enough to show. They will want you to go on elimination diet anyway, so you are just proactive!
I understand about the financial factor. DH wasnt that worried but I was. He was more concerned about my health and our insurance does cover partially. fx for you all! xx
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Sorry, I had to end my last post quickly as was travelling. My point was that the blood test or the scratch test would be enough to show a reaction. There is no need to give E the food in advance to make her show the symptoms. Also Koe is right about the diary you are keeping.