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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: <Catherine> on June 15, 2012, 09:56:33 am
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Continued from http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=176250.msg1990387#msg1990387
If I could also remind everyone to please avoid m-a-r-king :)
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I'm not medicating. I am really not sure what is causing it :/ we do have probiotics. I should try that. Good idea. I was going to do the yogurt with probiotics but so much sugar in those.
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Loads of sugar and very few good quality probiotics :) BioGaia is the best proB I could find for wee ones!
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M has been prone to constipation right from the start of weaning! I hadn't heard about yoghurt being a problem, I tend to find that if he's eaten a lot of yoghurt (when he won't eat much else!), his BMs get more like those early bf BMs! But that aside, our usual trick is prunes (works for me too ;) ), either neat, pureed with pear or pureed and mixed with his muesli and yoghurt. Apricots work well too, as do blueberries (although they do have a slightly disconcerting effect on the colour of his BMs!), other than that lots of liquids. And an outright ban on banana, which always bungs him up! Hope she's more comfortable soon...
Sounds like you've all been busy coming up with good plans for your LOs! Mama_C - I've no idea, how long's he sleeping at night nowadays? IMO if he's waking up well rested in the morning then you're probably ok as you are, even if BT's a little later than you'd like?
Well, talking of waking up well rested... We've had a couple of 1.5h nap days now and after the first he slept 8:10pm - 7:20am (had to wake), the first night > 10.5h in absolutely ages :) And more importantly, he woke a new boy - well ok, not a new boy, but I'd forgotten just how sunny he could be, I fell in love all over again :) So happy, singing and giggling away... well ok not for the whole morning, he's still 20mo and we have at least our fair share of power struggles, but I still could hardly believe the difference! Then I realised, for the last few months, he's had too short a night and been edgy all morning, then catching up on sleep during his nap and had too much energy to work out in the afternoon, ending up with a late BT (ie when he actually got to sleep) and another short night... The last couple of days he's been much happier in the morning but seemed to have less energy in the afternoon, so that he was actually tired at BT. We're certainly not there yet, and he did still take ages to get to sleep last night so we did have to wake him this morning, but he didn't EW as usual so still had more night-time sleep overall. And I'm 95% certain that was a teething issue rather than routine, so we'll stick it out a bit longer and see what happens... I'd also been waiting for a pre-8pm BT in order to move his WU to 7am, as I'm pretty sure that will encourage the earlier BTs and wouldn't result in a longer morning A than he did when he was EW-ing. So - tonight we finally had 7:50pm asleep :) :) Yes I know this would still be late for some of you but I've been waiting for this for sooooooo long! Now I'm wondering if I really have the courage to wake him at 7am (if he's still asleep), but if he STTNs then he'll have had 11h+ so should be really well rested...
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And an outright ban on banana, which always bungs him up!
Interesting tidbit: over ripe bananas (like those reserved for baking) will relieve constipation ;) The sugar changes in them as they ripen and it has a laxative effect when very ripe :)
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Yup blueberries = green poop - yuck!
Then I realised, for the last few months, he's had too short a night and been edgy all morning, then catching up on sleep during his nap and had too much energy to work out in the afternoon, ending up with a late BT (ie when he actually got to sleep) and another short night...
^^^this is EXACTLY what happened for us & why we started nap capping too. It sounds like the shorter nap is helping.
I used to wake O at 7.15am after an 8pm BT, & he did just fine with that. So long as he's getting a consistent 11hrs I think your DS will also be fine. What time is he taking the nap???
We are struggling here. I had capped the nap to 1.5hrs but he still wasn't falling asleep for ages. So I've now capped at 1h 15. Night 1 was 12hrs, last night 11h 10 & tonight - we'll see. He STILL took forever to settle but I am a little worried he's getting OT now so I'm hoping he sleeps in til a decent time tomorrow. His day today went:
Up: 6.50am
Nap: 1.20-2.35 (put down 1pm but took ages to settle)
Bed: 7.50pm (put down 7.20pm but took ages to settle. Was rubbing eyes lots before BT so KNOW he was tired.)
I've a niggling feeling he may need the nap cutting even shorter to 1hr in order to lengthen his night enough for him to cope well. But I may be way off - perhaps he still needs his long nap. He certainly seems to be struggling with the shorter nap - he's been tired at 9am the last 2 days (even after a 12hr night) so I'm not sure its going to work. If I have to reinstate the longer nap I guess I'll just have to live with the shorter nights til he's ready for the nap to go.
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Claire - I suspect you are right that he is in that weird phase of still needing a longer nap at the expense of his night sleep... a nap under 1 hr 30 just doesn't restore them, KWIM?
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Yeah it just sucks - if he has long nap/short night he is tired & grumpy b/c his night was short. If he has short nap/longer night he is tired & grumpy b/c his nap is too short. Can't win either way - argh!!!! I think he's slightly more grumpy on the shorter nap. I'm gonna give it a bit longer before making a judgement call though.
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Oh yes, I'd forgotten that about bananas, Kara - I guess my DS is a bit like me and he'll only eat them if they're 'just right', so we can't use the over-ripe banana trick with him!
Claire - I'd probably agree, I definitely don't want to cut that nap less than 1.5h until I'm certain he won't sleep longer than 10.5-11h at night otherwise, but I know we're a long way off that now! Less than 1.5h would be less than 2 complete sleep cycles, wouldn't it? Is there any room for you to play around with WU/BT to avoid the UT - OT BT situation, which we often get when he goes down UT and ends up OT before he finally drops off? (((hugs))) it does seem never-ending, doesn't it?!
Btw I'm starting to wonder whether this is the best place to be discussing all this now - what started out as 18mo regression seems to be morphing into nap-capping as the start of 1-0 for many of us and I was wondering whether those who are really going through the 18mo stuff ought to have more 'air-space' on here? I have glanced through the 'dropping the nap' thread but that's much further on than where we are now so doesn't seem appropriate. But I do really value being able to chat with you all when I can (and will of course stick around on this thread until it's run its course), so... Kara (or any other mods), do you reckon we just keep discussing our nap-capping etc here or create another thread for that?
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Mama_C - I've no idea, how long's he sleeping at night nowadays? IMO if he's waking up well rested in the morning then you're probably ok as you are, even if BT's a little later than you'd like?
I dont know how long he is sleeping really. He falls asleep at 8pm but the last couple days he was already awake at 7am when I went in to get him. No idea what time he is waking because he just lays quietly or talks softly to himself until I get him up. He always seems well rested, no eye rubbing or grumpiness. Not even at nap time. I am really thinking I need to cut his nap down. He has 5 hr A before bed but then still plays around for at least 30 min before going to sleep.The hard part about cutting his nap down is that I dont know exactly when he falls asleep at naptime.
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Trimbler yes i am struggling to fit in here as LO is nowhere near ready for nap capping. It was a combinstion of OT and regression for us.
We seem to have found a slight balance! On a good day (4-5times a week) we are getting
6.15am WU
11.15am - nap for 1.30-2.15hrs
6.30 BT (15mins to fall asleep)
It is super super delicate though. Like this morning I didnt PD til nearer 11.30 as we had a nappy accident so LO was slightly OT so took 45mins to settle which pushes us later :-(
Similar happened during the week, tried to push the morning A, so LO was OT and took longer to settle so OT and haf to cap nap meaning meal refusal and BT chatting then 4.45am EW!
The day has to be perfect
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ugh...what do i know?! my little one is all over the place...our biggest problem right now is potty time..she always has to go RIGHT at nap/bed time...by the time she goes (she plays A LOT) it's so past her reg pd time that she doesn't want to go down at all...last two days have been a mess...I try to start potty time early but she says no then waits til I put her in the crib to say she has to go...the one time i thought she was playing me she ended up not napping cause she went in her diaper...i can't win..
no nap yesterday...tried for early bed at 7...FINALLY got her to sleep by 7:45 (I had to stay in there and sing to her) she always self settles she was just a mess it was the only way to get her to drift off. by that point she was up for 12 hrs STRAIGHT!
she woke around 7:30 today so almost 12 hr night and has been whiny and yawning most of today...no idea what time to do nap at this point...
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I would put her down a touch earlier than usual Melissa - but not more than about 30 mins or she will do a short night because of a longer nap ;)
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Btw I'm starting to wonder whether this is the best place to be discussing all this now - what started out as 18mo regression seems to be morphing into nap-capping as the start of 1-0 for many of us
This had crossed my mind too. But where else to discuss it?!
I definitely don't want to cut that nap less than 1.5h until I'm certain he won't sleep longer than 10.5-11h at night otherwise, but I know we're a long way off that now! Less than 1.5h would be less than 2 complete sleep cycles, wouldn't it? Is there any room for you to play around with WU/BT to avoid the UT - OT BT situation, which we often get when he goes down UT and ends up OT before he finally drops off?
This is exactly why I cut the nap to 1h 15 - because his nights were less than 11hrs. Since cutting the nap shorter to 1h 15 his nights initially extended but are now getting shorter again (last night 10h 50 :-\)
So, when he was doing the 1h 45 nap from 1.15-3pm he wasn't falling asleep til 8.15-8.30pm & I was waking him at 7.15am (10h 45-11hr night) so 12h 30-45 total sleep in 24hrs.
But now, with a 1h 15 nap from 1.15-2.30 he is falling asleep at 7.45 & waking naturally between 6.30-6.45 (10h 45-11hrs night) so 12 - 12h 15 total sleep in 24hrs.
It seems he is getting less sleep with the shorter nap so I think I may have to reinstate his old routine & start all over again. I'm pained to do this though b/c I know he was UT ::)
We tried a slightly earlier nap yest a) incase he was OT by naptime and b) to see if he would settle more quickly at bedtime with a longer A to BT & he STILL took until 7.45pm to settle, and was up at 6.30am this morning. At nursery today they didn't put him down til 1.25pm (7hr A :o) & he slept 1h 5mins, woke himself. At teatime he was shouting & running around like a crazy child, headbutting & headshaking - very definitely OT. Tried for EBT 7pm but still not asleep til just after 7.30pm.
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Ladies I just wanted to update for anyone who has been following us -
We are sorted! We were in an OT/UT loop and also working against LOs natural sleep pattern.
So we now do -
6.15 WU
5 hrs A ish
11.15 - 12.45 -1.5 hrs uncapped nap
6.15 BT
She is well rested on this but starts to get more tired around the third day and will pull a big 2.5hr nap then a later BT, shorter night and we start again. She gets hyper and happy when the sleeping bag comes out but chats happily and is snoring away within 10-15mins. I have gone for the earlier nap as LO is too sensitive to cope with nap capping so I let her go down less tired knowing I wont havr to wake her. I wouldideally like a slightly later WU and nap but nothing works, she just gets OT if I oush.the nap even 15mins! Then we get BT chattering for 20-45mins and EW! So its a delicate balance and.i have to be home each morning for nap as even 1 day off causes EW. Xx
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Glad that is working for you honey.x
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Hmmm, maybe I spoke too soon! We did have a couple of blips this week so maybe OT creeping in? Anyway -
Monday -
6.15 WU
PD late at 11.35ish (had been showing tired signs for a good 40mins but didnt get her down on time) so refusal until
Nap 12.15 - 2.30/2.45
6.45 BT as very grumpy and tired
Tues -
5.30 WU (??! Too early BT on paper but in reality she was exhausted and asking for bed :-S )
CN 1pm - 1.40pm as had midwife in town, stayed in car with her but still cant manage more than 1 sleep cycle!
BT 6.00pm but chattered until after 7pm
Weds
5.30am WU (OT this time!)
11 - 12.30 Nap
6.15pm BT, asleep pretty much instantly?
She has been so tired and grumpy today, rubbing her eyes from 9am, I tried pushing the A ever so slightly hoping she'd nap longer to catch up so we did
6.15ish WU
11.45 PD (asleep by 12)
.. but she woke at 1hr15 and was still tired all afternoon. Back to bed at 6.15pm. I'm not sure where to go from here, I think we are getting an OT build up from the CN on Tues then 2 EWs?? :-S Last week was perfect all week :-( This is where we go wrong - OT starts to creep in, naps get shorter so nights get shorter and then we get complete refusal and EW.
I sometimes feel like no matter what I do and how much sleep I offer she is STILL clearly tired and grumpy and I know she needs more sleep but don't know how to get there. We pushed that morning A for weeks but she still couldn't get passed 11.00am ish and had the EW and terrible mood and we can't leave the house after this time as she always fall asleep! I don't think there are any other options for us other than to keep muddling through and putting LO down when she starts to get tired in the mornings. She won't take a CN in the late afternoon and I don't want to do BT earlier than 6.15ish as it's not fair to expect 12+ hours every night!
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Hiya hun.
Ah - it does look like the long nap on Monday is what's thrown things - UT at BT leading to shorter night, then obviously the v short car CN has thrown things right out. I'm sure in a couple of days she will catch back up though hun. Its sooo difficult at this age hun b/c when it all goes wonky the temptation is there to allow long &/or early catch up naps & early bedtimes, but IME they don't work like they did when DS was younger. Now, I can try putting him down early thinking he is OT & he takes an age to fall asleep. Is he really OT as he appears, or is it UT underneath it all? IDK. Its such a tricky age.
One thing that crossed my mind when I read your post earlier is that you may get EW because you have shortened up her morning A time. Before the 18 month blip she had a lovely routine with a 5.5hrs A time in the AM didn't she? So to my mind, if her sleep needs are changing, she may actually need a longer A time in the morning rather than a shorter one, otherwise you are kinda going backwards IYSWIM? I see why you have done it - so she shortens the nap naturally rather than you having to wake her, but IME too short a morning A time just leads to EW. And of course if she is going down for her nap UT & only sleeping 1.5hrs, then she may end up OT by the end of the day. Not saying that's what's happening for sure, its just a possibility. Often, when naps get shorter, LO's need a shorter A time to BT. So you are always better having a longer morning, shorter nap then short A to BT.
TBH I would still advocate gently stretching her morning A time, at the very least back to 5.5hrs. And allow absolutely no more than 2hrs nap. Then I think you need to stretch her afternoon as 4hrs A is just too short. I think that by doing both of these things, you will get out of the UT/OT loop she's been in & get her back on track. What do you think?
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Excellent update stardust! Sometimes it's the best thing to just find that natural sleep pattern and go with it!
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Hiya hun.
Ah - it does look like the long nap on Monday is what's thrown things - UT at BT leading to shorter night, then obviously the v short car CN has thrown things right out. I'm sure in a couple of days she will catch back up though hun. Its sooo difficult at this age hun b/c when it all goes wonky the temptation is there to allow long &/or early catch up naps & early bedtimes, but IME they don't work like they did when DS was younger. Now, I can try putting him down early thinking he is OT & he takes an age to fall asleep. Is he really OT as he appears, or is it UT underneath it all? IDK. Its such a tricky age.
One thing that crossed my mind when I read your post earlier is that you may get EW because you have shortened up her morning A time. Before the 18 month blip she had a lovely routine with a 5.5hrs A time in the AM didn't she? So to my mind, if her sleep needs are changing, she may actually need a longer A time in the morning rather than a shorter one, otherwise you are kinda going backwards IYSWIM? I see why you have done it - so she shortens the nap naturally rather than you having to wake her, but IME too short a morning A time just leads to EW. And of course if she is going down for her nap UT & only sleeping 1.5hrs, then she may end up OT by the end of the day. Not saying that's what's happening for sure, its just a possibility. Often, when naps get shorter, LO's need a shorter A time to BT. So you are always better having a longer morning, shorter nap then short A to BT.
TBH I would still advocate gently stretching her morning A time, at the very least back to 5.5hrs. And allow absolutely no more than 2hrs nap. Then I think you need to stretch her afternoon as 4hrs A is just too short. I think that by doing both of these things, you will get out of the UT/OT loop she's been in & get her back on track. What do you think?
I think it started with the long nap on Monday too. But she was pretty tired in the morning as usual (she is tired by 10-11am every morning but usually very happy and awake all afternoon). But the long nap only happened because I had pushed the morning A a little so we got refusal from OT then she took the long catch up nap. I can't cap because she is literally horrendous. She screams and hides her face in me, covers her ears and will refuse to eat or go down or to OH and just sobs and rubs her eyes and hides cuddled into me, this will go on for 4hours+ until I put her to bed which is a huge fight and then she does an extreme EW of 4.45am after a capped nap :-(
She was 5hours A before the 18month regression. She did a lovely 7am WU, 12pm - 2.15/3pm nap and 7pm BT, how I miss those days!
I think I could push the morning A out to 5.5 but because we get nap refusal from being out 1-2 times a week (try for naps in car or in my arms but never get more than 45mins) then she gets OT and EWs so I never get the chance to push the A! I don't live near town so if I have to travel to town it means we either can't get back on time for nap or she falls asleep in the car. She used to just take a CN then go to bed at 6pm and sleep an extra hour but now when I put her to bed on a CN day she refuses to sleep for 1.5hours and EWs! So for now I am taking to arranging my life around nap time until things settle down, I have had to stop all our groups and soft play etc. we used to do every morning as she just falls asleep on the way back and then is terrible all day and night! And theres not much on in the afternoons to keep us busy.
ETA - super night, 6.15pm BT, 10minute waking around 5.35am then back to sleep until 6.50am! In a good mood and doesnt appear tired at all so now just got to watch and see what time those tired signs appear. Going to order a gro clock too as think she is ready for it to be useful x
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Hiya hun only just seen this. That was actually a really great night considering how short her nap was hun. How have things been the last couple of days?
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Things are fantastic.
We now have 6.30-6.45 WU, 11.30 nap for 1.5hrs ish and 6.30BT. She seems pretty tired from 10.30ish but we push her a little and PD just before she hits the naughty and difficult stage. Afternoons are fantastic, she wakes so happy and rested and has no signs of tiredness or grumpiness until 6pm ish. She is averaging 12 hrs at night and 1.5 during the day which is 13.5hrs so just about right?
How is O now?
Xx
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Spot on. That's great news!
I wish I could say same for O. He is doing 10.5-11hrs at night no matter how short his nap. We've been capping at 1hr which gives 11hrs at night but he is so, so tired. So yesterday I let him wake naturally from nap (1.5hrs) & he only did 10.5hrs overnight. Crabby as hell today. So I let him have 1h 45 today (woke naturally) & I'm sure it'll only backfire with an even shorter night tonight but that's life with a touchy chronic EWer isn't it eh?! We always seem to have a nice month & then it reverts back to the same old mess as always. I can't seem to get him down UT like you can with your LO, he just screeches & cries that he's not ready & then shouts & chats for ages, so doing an early nap just isn't an option for us. And anything less than 6hrs A in the AM now causes EW.
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Same here, we have a nice 3/4 weeks then a couple of months of hell! LO is actually having a very restless night, lots of mumbling and chatting in her sleep and a few ENW so far. We haven't left the house all day though because of the rain/flooding so she was wound up and bored all day which is never going to help sleep. I hope it isn't because of stretching her the past 2 mornings, she still seems to want that morning sleep but I wanted her to last just a little longer so we could do something in the morning and still have time to get home on time for nap.
I am actually finding that although the shorter A/morning nap used to influence the EW it doesn't now because she no longer takes the big huge 3 hour morning naps so can't use it to catch up on lost night sleep.
It took LO 3/4days to get used to the drop in A time in the morning and took 45mins+ the first few days to fall asleep but I'd had enough of the grumpiness and tiredness in the morning and decided that if she was tired she was going to bed and it was completely non-optional. Now she takes around 10mins to fall asleep at nap, maybe 15-20mins at BT. I don't do a wind-down anymore as I find that it just riles her up more than anything as she doesn't want to nap so protests. So when I see those tired signs (rubbing her hair, touching her ears, tiny little yawns) she gets her nappy changed, sleeping bag on and straight to bed where she winds herself down before sleep. I find that when I see eye-rubbing etc. it a sign she's overtired and she's more difficult to settle. If I miss the sleep window I have to wait for the tired signs to come back and accept that she is a little OT and will take longer to settle and adjust the rest of the day to suit.
Also, I am finding that LO is far too spirited now to cope with stimulation or visitors before a sleep. So I am really firm and visitors get asked to leave 30mins before I think LO will be tired and at 5pm visitors have to go too (didn't go down too well with the inlaws last night eek) otherwise it really affects her sleep. If she has had a busy day she needs a lot of time to unwind so we shut off the TV and close the curtains and tidy the toys away and just keep a few blocks or books out for an hour before bedtime. It definately seems to have helped.
No other advice I'm afraid, I hope it passes soon for you too.
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Arghhh restless OT wakings and 4.45am EW! Very grumpy and unhappy LO this morning. Just goes to show that I can't push that morning A yet without triggering OT :-( I can't believe keeping her up later in the morning causes an EW the next day but then again LO has always been unique with her sleep. So early nap and early bed today for us and hopefully a better sleep tonight.
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Hello again! Sounds like you both need (((hugs))) - I can completely relate to that experience of getting a few good days/nights and then a few months of chaos :( Claire - as always, your wise words completely tally with our experience... so when you relate your current struggles I just know this will be us before too long! M won't go down UT any more either - although interestingly, he will sometimes go straight to sleep when OT, only to have ENWs and/or EWs. Did you try a 1.25h nap for very long? Or did you find the nights were still too short? I wonder whether he's good with a 1h nap most of the time and just needs a 1.25h nap to catch up occasionally, rather than jumping to 1.5h?? Or will he do a slightly EBT after a few days of 1h naps if he needs to catch up a bit?
Stardust - good on you for being able to be so firm with visitors! I've never managed that, and it certainly affects M too. It's so hard feeling tied to home for naps, isn't it? But I'm sure this really is just a passing phase - she will eventually be able to stay up for longer in the morning and you'll be free again. Are you able to go out even earlier, or are things just not running at that time? Even just to a park or something, just to get out for a bit? Of course when the weather's better - how is it now? The big theme running through the 18mo regression seems to be a big decrease in sleep needs overall, but working out how to manage that doesn't seem so straightforward, and I guess all LOs will handle it a bit differently. As you say, it seems that everything has to be 'perfect' otherwise her sleep goes all wonky and takes a while to get back again - but from your previous posts, forgive me if I'm wrong, it also seems that she does get back into a nice routine again after a few days... so there's always hope :) Also are you absolutely sure it's all routine-related? I mean it sounds like she was doing fine for a few days before flipping? Could she be teething or anything like that? Canines have played havoc with M's sleep - and only two have actually cut so far!
As for us, I think we're here at the moment:
7am Up (sometimes I wake him, sometimes he wakes a little earlier)
1-2:30pm Nap (goes down easily, sometimes I wake him, sometimes he wakes)
8pm BT (only just pushed back from 7:45pm but he was beginning to seem UT at BT and taking longer to get to sleep)
However we did have a wedding to travel to over the weekend which meant I had to wake him at 6:30am to leave at 7am, encourage him to have an extra early lunch and nap in the car around 11:30 (!!) and he woke when we arrived at 12:50 for a 1:30pm wedding (well with such a long journey I had to leave plenty of time!). I'd been really worried about this as we don't have a car (hired one) so he's not used to sleeping in one, but I think the air conditioning which I'd cranked up high to keep me awake (!) actually helped him to zone out :) But of course it was a huge change in routine for him, but he coped incredibly well for one who normally goes crazy (hyper) with any change. We did leave early (before dessert :( ) because I knew he'd be really tired and didn't want him to completely flip and not sleep, especially since we were all sharing a hotel room. It was still just after 8pm by the time we said night night (and took the monitor to a nearby sofa to wait!) and it did take him a good 20-30mins to settle, but I was still impressed, I thought he'd be much worse. Anyway, he was obviously pretty tired after that, and with a shorter nap in the car the next day (tried to keep the routine as normal as possible), everything did go a bit wonky, but he went off to the childminder as usual on the Monday and did really well. I was so surprised as I thought he'd be awful! But then we had the shock of our lives (ok exaggeration!) the next morning as DH had accidentally set his alarm for 7:50am (his work is a 30min cycle away and starts at 8am - oops!) - now this wouldn't usually be a big problem as M would usually wakes a little before 7am, and I'm not good at sleeping in anyway, but amazingly, we were ALL still asleep when it went off!!! So I guess we were all just catching up from the weekend, and then of course we were all thrown off and neither M or I managed to drop off at our usual respective bedtimes! Oh well, I guess that's what happens when we have to make big routine changes, I wonder how long before we're back to some sort of 'normal'...
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Hi Trimbler. That routine looks good. I think when it comes to weddings/celebrations etc & having to go 'off routine' for a day, these LO's can surprise us at what they can actually handle. We had a christening a couple of weeks ago & we actually had a no-nap day b/c he seemed totally fine at naptime, not tired at all. he went to bed at 6pm & slept til 7am!!!
As for us, things still a bit iffy. I am trying to follow his lead this week & see if he can show me the way. He is waking at 6.30-45, napping around 1.15pm (seems to be when he gets tired) for 1.5-1.75hrs and is asleep around 8pm. His nights are averaging 10.5hrs, occasionally 10h 45. Its feeling a bit short, but DS is so so tired when I cap his nap less than 1.5hrs. I wonder if maybe we need to try something more like your routine, keeping his nap to 1.5hrs max. I've been so set on not stretching DS past 5hrs A to BT but I think with a longer nap we need more than that in order for him to be tired enough to sleep.
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Sounds like you are doing great trimbler, I always think it is amazing to see how toddlers needs are so different at this age now. I can look at a baby's routine and pinpoint where the problem is but with toddlers I'm clueless! Hope you get back to some sort of normal soon!
We are actually back on track but have no routine at all :rofl:
Sunday (EW day)
4.45am WU, on/off to sleep until 6.15ish?
11.30 - 1.30 nap(uncapped)
6.15ish BT
Monday
6.30 WU
11.30 - 12.45 Nap (uncapped)
6.30 BT
Tues
5.30 OT WU but on/off to sleep until 6.30ish?
-out for morning so later nap-
12.00 - 2.00 Nap (uncapped)
6.45pm BT
Weds
6.55am WU
11.30 - 2.00 Nap (uncapped)
7.15 BT
So absolutely no pattern in A times, nap times or night length but she's well rested and settling easy so I can't complain. The only thing I can see there is that the 2hour+ nap days have then given us a longer night but I won't look into that too much as no doubt next week it'll be different.
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Well stardust - I think with 12hr nights every night you can't complain can you!
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No I'm not allowed to complain am I? Remember last time I complained about 13hour nights and then we ended up with EW again. I've learnt my lesson and am just enjoying it (or as much as being heavily pregnant will allow me!)
Part of me is hoping that LO is outgrowing her EW. As when I know I've muddled up and she EWs she tries to get herself back off to sleep or will lay quietly until around 6.30am she starts shouting Daddy!
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ugh day 3..no naps....enough said...i'm lost and depressed..this has been awful and i can't break the long nights no nap cycle...
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(((hugs))) Melissa. Is it really so bad though if she is pulling long nights ??? What sort of nights is she doing now? Is she struggling with OT/moody/clingy ??? If she is happy & well rested I really don't think there is much you can do, she is telling you she doesn't need to nap every day anymore. A friend IRL with a DD same age is also doing same - she has never imposed a structured 'routine' on her & her dd has always napped whenever she wanted for as long as she wanted. Some days she has a 2hr sleep, other days she doesn't nap. Mostly I think she refuses naps at home but will nap in the car/pushchair while out & about. She is however sleeping 13-14hrs at night, so my friend is just going with it.
Things are ok here atm. We are doing same as Trimbler:
Up: 7am
Nap: 1-2.30
Bed: 8pm
It seems to be going ok although sometimes he's not quite ready to settle at 1pm.
Ooh one thing I did mean to ask is what time are you trying to put her down for a nap? Did you try a longer A time? I think if you attempt to PD after any less than 6hrs, esp after a long night, you are likely to just get refusal. I know thats what would happen here. x
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Not getting THAT long of a night. Last 3 no nap days were 11-12 hr nights maybe less not long enough to cover no nap in my opinion. She sadly seems fine. On occasion a little OT.
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Hmmm, so 12hrs is ok but less probably not. Although if she seems fine in herself that is the best indicator of whether she is handling it. Do you put her down early on no nap days? I've found with O this has really helped him to sleep for longer.
If you really want to get her napping again I thing you need to do a few things.
1) accept that if she naps she won't sleep more than 11hrs at night
2) wake her in the mornings at 7am to give her enough A time before her nap so she is tired enough to take it (I'd try at 6hrs)
3) wake her after 1.5hrs max, so she is tired enough to go to bed at bedtime, so you don't end up in an UT/OT loop
4) repeat this for at least a week to see what happens.
I know this goes against what you prefer to do i.e. not wake a sleeping baby, but I think its the only way you'll get a consistent napping routine going again. Its a case of making her be tired enough to nap. Otherwise you leave her to nap on some days but not on others IYSWIM?
What do you think to that?
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I tried doing 7 instead of 8 and she plays for like an hour wondering if she is overtures and I should do even earlier. What do u think? She's been waking at 8-8:30 except today she woke at 7:40 (fell asleep around 7:40 last night) I let her sleep that late in the a.m. To catch up from the no nap the day before. That's why I'm considering earlier than 7 BT too because maybe if she DOES fall asleep early she's prob going to wake earlier and possibly leave her tired enough to nap?
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I tried doing 7 instead of 8 and she plays for like an hour wondering if she is overtures and I should do even earlier. What do u think?
What do you mean - you tried doing a 7am wake? Or a 7pm bedtime? Not quite sure I understand. Just with you saying she plays for an hour - when is she playing - at naptime or bedtime? If at naptime, is this after 6hrs A or with less?
That's why I'm considering earlier than 7 BT too because maybe if she DOES fall asleep early she's prob going to wake earlier and possibly leave her tired enough to nap?
I know with Oliver when he's done no nap, we've put down 11hrs after he woke, so if A was up at 7.40am I'd probably aim for 6.40pm, 7pm latest. We got a 13hr night with that. Whether she will sleep less, or sleep more IDK. Whether she will be tired enough to nap after that IDK.
If you do want to try waking her earlier, I probably wouldn't just suddenly get her up a whole hour earlier, esp after a no nap day as she will likely be tired/grumpy. IIWM I would wake her 5mins earlier every few days, so that wakeup time gradually shifts earlier.
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Sorry I meant I do 7pm BT rather than 8 on no nap days and she plays til 8 most of the time anyway so I thought maybe if I pd earlier there wouldn't be a crib party. I feel so helpless
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ETA- I did an early bath at 6 got dressed and bottle ready. She was rubbing her eyes and leaving them closed as we rocked in her chair. I put her in the crib and she immediately cried for me before i stepped away from her crib, as she has been doing lately Everytime she goes down at night AND nap. I reluctantly decided to stay and quietly sing. She closes her eyes snuggled her bunny and within 2 lullabies she was out. So asleep by 6:30 and she needed it. Not trying to create a new habit but I knew if I walked she would have carried on and either kept carrying on or stopped crying and started playing. I just knew she needed to get to sleep having been up for nearly 11 hrs by that point.
So I'm hoping she sleeps well. Maybe 6:30-7:30 and then will be tired enough for a nap but not OT. My gut says she's been in a circle of OT.
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OMG.. I have so had enough of M's antics.. check out my post in toddler sleep.
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So she woke at 7:20...almost a 13 hr night! W/out a single middle of the night OT cry out! so clearly she needed it. NOW I have to hope and pray we get a nap and back on track...please please. Wonder what time to do a nap though...she was doing 1pm nap before this mess....should I stick with that???
ETA- even though she had such a long night I pd at 1pm for nap based on that's when she always went down and the fact that that long night was merely catch up...anyway long story short she played and played finally after 45 mins i couldn't take it anymore...i went in told her to lay down and go to sleep...i sat on the bench next to her crib and after just 1 SONG..she was out like a light...ok so explain this to me please. I can't get into this habit but how do i not when she isn't seeming to go to sleep on her own. when i let her be she just plays and plays...she was obviously tired or she wouldn't have gone out that quickly plus she was rubbing her eyes and yawning around lunch time...i just don't get it. I'm thrilled she didn't end up with day 4 if no naps but I don't want to have to sing her to sleep at age 2 you know?! Any thoughts on what's going on and what I can do?
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Melissa
Yay for the long night! What did I say about doing 11hrs after WU on a no nap day!
WRT naptime, I think 1pm nap after a 7.20am WU was still too early, hence why she is just playing. I'd have done more like 1.30pm. I honestly think she needs at least 6hrs or you are just going to keep getting this refusal hun. WRT the singing thing - IDK. I'd probably say that with all the time playing, by the time you went in she may have been verging on OT, or maybe just about ready to sleep. So perhaps the timing was just coincidence. IDK.
How did she nap? Did you wake her in order to preserve bedtime or did you let her sleep?
Mama_C - will take a look.x
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clairebear- I think you may be right...could have possibly been good timing but that being said i really think if I left her alone she'd never have fallen asleep. so is it possible that if i put her down too early even if she is still in there at a later time she won't fall asleep cause she's already been in there playing all that time? if that makes sense...meaning say i put down at 1...your saying that on a 7:20 wu time maybe 1:30 pd would have been better..if she is still in her crib at 1:30 she won't fall asleep,.,the trick is to PUT DOWN at 1:30...sorry if you are not following that but I have no idea how else to ask lol
in any event she woke at 3:10..so today was
7:20 wu (13 hr night)
1:50-3:20 nap (1h 20 min)
8:00 BT (is the norm, but she has been playing at BT the last few nights too since this no nap OT thing started)
that's where I'm a bit lost too...cause a later nap means a later BT right? and honestly 8pm is late enough around here. what if i could get her to do something like this?
7-7:30 wu
1:30-3 nap
8 BT
Is that realistic you think? she often wakes later than that in the morning though but it's worth a shot...I know I can't have it all lol..the later wu's are great though...I just want her napping...I'll take what comes with it if its reasonable enough...because I know she still NEEDS that daytime rest still
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if that makes sense...meaning say i put down at 1...your saying that on a 7:20 wu time maybe 1:30 pd would have been better..if she is still in her crib at 1:30 she won't fall asleep,.,the trick is to PUT DOWN at 1:30...s
Yes that's it. I think you need to put down so she will be asleep at 6hrs A time i.e. just 10mins before. I think if you PD earlier than this its unlikely she'll settle & I know with O if I put him down too early then he goes past the point of being tired & ends up OT.
WRT the nap idea - it may work for her, it may not. IDK. Why not give it a try & see how it goes?
I was trying to do something very similar with Oliver recently, but I found that he was still chatting gone 8pm and waking earlier. And he was definitely overtired by naptime with a 6.5hr A time (though his nights were never 13hrs more like 10.5hrs lol!) Turns out that with a 1.5hr nap he now needs 5.5hrs A time to BT in order to settle right to sleep. So I've had to accept a slightly earlier WU & pull his nap back by 15mins in order to fit it all in. What I'm finding works for him atm is
Up: 7am
Nap: 1-2.30
Bed: 8pm
WRT Ava, if you want that later WU (7.30am) AND a nap, you may find she needs an 8.30pm BT. But if that is feeling too late for you I'd suggest waking her at 7am so you can do the nap at 1pm, then keep bed at 8pm. So I would say try the routine you suggested, if she doesn't settle well at bedtime then make the decision to increase her A time to BT, either by pushing BT later or by waking her earlier in the morning so you can fit it all in.
What do you think?
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i can handle your schedule as well...but she woke at 7:20 today which is only 20 mins later than your schedule and still wouldn't settle at 1...guess the 13 hr night had something to do with that lol but i just sometimes think when its make up it doesn't count that way..could be wrong though...well we'll do 8pm bt and hope she doesn't play...there have been 2 nights in the last 2 weeks where she played til 9 or later! crazy
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Yes I think 13hr night will have meant she wasn't tired enough. I do think you will need to have her awake at 7am to get her down at 1pm. On the days she's played til 9pm what has she napped? It all sounds very UT to me.
TBH though Oliver is starting to push beyond 6hrs A time now though. He often takes an extra 10mins to fall asleep for his nap, meaning his BT ends up later because he isn't tired enough when I put him in his cot. Yesterday went
Up: 7am (11hrs STTN)
Nap: 1.10-2.40
Bed: 8.10 (put down at 7.50)
This morning he started stirring from 6am & would cry out then back to sleep on & off all the way til 7am. He's gone down at 1pm on the dot today though. I've a sneaking suspicion we may be about to get hit with earlier waking again, and that his nap will need cutting back more. I think what I may do though, is continue to put him down for a 1pm nap, but if he doesnt fall asleep until say 1.15pm, I'll still wake him at 2.30pm & that way I ensure he is tired enough to fall asleep at bedtime. And this gives him the leeway to have a shorter nap on days he's less tired or a longer nap on days he's more tired IYSWIM?
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ummm one time she played with no nap at all and one time it was with a nap...no real consistency with that and its rare...bt is never really an issue...only happened twice in the last several months. she played til 8:20ish last night and was up at 7:15 this morning. We did nap at 1ish and she went right out...no playing...she slept til 2:45-2:50 somewhere around there. I know I know too long of a nap but you all know i'm not a waker lol so this shouldn't surprise you. can only hope she continues to wake around 7 in the mornings and most everything else should fall into place I guess...we'll see
in any event it sounds like you have things under control and seem to know your little man pretty darn well...good luck
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I think just expect for her to need a later bedtime on the days she is taking a long nap & thats all you can do.x
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Hi ladies,I am not sure if I'm in the right place or not, because your LOs seems older than DS. But for the past 4 days he is driving me nuts!! We have lots of issues going on tthe same time such as me trying to wean night feeds, canines, ew, you name it.
A month ago or so he was sort of doing 5.5 hr a time then a 1.5 hr nap and then similar to bt. Then he started resisting and then we moved to 6 hrs A time. That worked too. He was napping longer, but then the ews started again and now it seems he is refusing a nap even at 6 hrs!!
The other day he refused and in the end it was 6h15 mins after aping to nap and he slept 2 hrs andi had to wake him.
Is nap refusal part of the 18 mo sleep regression? What actually happens during thistime! I dont remember it being this hard with dd. She was alway high sleep needs. Will they get back to normal!! What should I try? I think past 6 hrs is too long right?
Thanks ladies! His night is nit the best either. He will do about 11-11.5 hrs but with a fair few nw waking for comfort feeds and cuddles. I am going to wean him off that once the canine cut thru.
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clairebear- you are prob right yesterday she woke at 7:20 napped 1-2:45 and played in her crib til 8:30 today she woke at & so sort of a shorter night for her...my sister has her today and didn't get her down and asleep til almost 1:30 (due to other things delaying her reg 1pm nap time) and she slept til amost 4! when I reached out to her at 3:45 and she said she's still sleeping I said wake her a** up! LOL can't believe she slept like that..she woke on her own before my sister even could wake her sometime around 3:50...crazy...no idea what to expect tonight now :/ she WAS whiny this morning..and she has two teeth coming in up top so maybe that is what is causing this up and down with her sleep needs...who knows...
shresmummy- welcome...even though I'm sure you aren't too happy to be on this thread lol...we have all been on here prob since our babes were your lo's age lol so I'd say you are right about there with the regression issues...certainly sounds like it...first off night feeds?! eeesh i feel for you...you are still getting nw's? def sounds like you have a lot going on ((Hugs)) could you maybe post his typical day right now in easy form? I don't know about anyone else but that is def. easier for ME to follow and disect :) these ladies are great and you will get a lot of great advice
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Hi, thanks so much for the response!! the past 2 days have been full on with nap resisting. Dont' know what the issue is anymore.
Before all this nonsense started last week our routine sort of looked like this.
Wu 6:-6:30 anytime in between
nap - 12:15ish - 1:45 (usually after 6hr A time, and he'd sleep for about 1.5 hr, once he even slept for 2 hrs)
bt - about 5-5.25 hr A time after nap wu
nw - really hard to say because it varies each night. Some nights it can be up to 4 or 5, most nights at least 2 or 3. Some of them he will settle in a minute without feed, some he will demand one.
I don't reallly have a routine anymore at the moment! He is definitely teething and I wonder whether that is the reason for half his NWs and nap issues? He is waking very restless, almost shouting and angry in the second half of the night. I give pain meds before bed and I wonder whether they are wearing off? But I don't want to keep giving meds at such a rate!
Yesterday our day looked like this:
wu 6:30
nap - 12:35 - 1:45 (woke crying but was happy later)
bt - took him in at 6:45, fed and was asleep by 7:10
Nws - 9:45 first nw, needed feed, then midnight quick resettle no feed, 3 am can't remember if I fed or not!, 5:45 am fed.
woke up for today at 6:30.
It's a mess ! Please help :) :) Thanks ladies!
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And I'm back! Ugh.
Things were so great with DD and then we went on a 2 week holiday - now we are reliving the 18 month regression!
EW, OT and crap naps... total deja vu!
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I'm back too :) Not quite so bad but it's just the first chance I've had to come on here in ages - I've been pretty OT myself recently and have been desperately trying to get some EBTs!
Claire - funny how we've both ended up on a similar routine, although it seems like O is just moving on from that and M has back-tracked a little due to lots of things making him a bit more tired (teething, stomach bug, noises from flat downstairs, going away, etc). So we've been doing 7:45pm BT for a few nights to help him catch up - we had got to the point where we were always waking every morning and after every nap, and I felt like he could have done with a bit more sleep but was scared of UT/OT. I'll be following O's progress with interest - I like to plan ahead, even though things always happen differently to what I've expected! I'd been mulling over the following 3 scenarios:
(i) Just as you've said - keep waking at 2:30 even if he went to sleep later to shorten nap and preserve BT/night
(ii) If he still gets to sleep at 1pm but needs longer to BT: shorten nap in 15min increments to preserve night
(iii) Wake earlier in the morning in 15min increments to preserve nap time/duration but at the cost of night sleep (10.5h min!)
How's it going?
Melissa/shresmummy - teething is horrible! I'm sure it does influence sleep needs, even if we don't actually hear them in the night I'm sure they don't sleep as soundly and need to make up for it either with longer naps or earlier BT - I tend to favour the latter unless there's illness too. Often I think it's more a matter of working out our contingency plans and then trying to ride it out.
Shresmummy - I'm sure the meds do wear out and if it's paracetamol/ibuprofen you can always give it again after 4h or alternate if they need something earlier. But I do know what you mean about giving meds too often - I'm sure I'm guilty of that but I do find it hard to know when it's most needed. Often he'll have a really screechy BT/night and I know it's pain so will start giving it at BT then before I realise it's been several nights in a row and I'm wondering if I've given too much! I guess it's always best to ask your doctor/pharmacist, but I kind of think that if it's ok for some kids to take them regularly due to some underlying health problem then it probably won't do any harm as long as you stick to the dosage limits. But I know others would always look to more 'natural' remedies and you could probably argue it either way. *I am not an expert!*
Anyway the main things I've taken from the 18mo sleep regression are SA and *decreasing sleep needs*. Our experience of the former was fairly short-lived, but the latter does seem to persist! For the SA, I'd started noticing it during the day and began to realise that it was contributing to BT troubles. So I deliberately did lots of 'object permanence' stuff during the day, peepo and leaving the room then coming back, etc. I also had a sweet 'chat' with him during his BT bf, just explaining that he was safe and loved and that there wasn't anything to worry about, we were just in the other room etc etc. He just looked up at me with serious eyes and nodded, and went to sleep that night with no trouble! I can certainly say that the SA peak at 18mo did subside and now he's really confident and can play independently for much longer than before.That's not to say there won't be more SA peaks later, but for us it was just a passing phase.
The decreasing sleep needs on the other hand - I'm only now feeling that we've caught up with them! Really, what I thought he really needed before, he doesn't any more, it was a complete surprise and I was very slow to catch on. EBTs don't really work any more, if he's more tired than usual then we just PD 15mins earlier, that's all. And A times stretch, for us especially the morning one needed to - as Claire often points out, to 6h and eventually even longer. Shresmummy - how's his appetite during the day? Is he struggling to eat as much as usual because of the teething and then making up for it at night, do you think? Could you give teething gel or something before his meals? Are you posting on a night-weaning board for this? I would guess that the later NWs are pain/hunger and if he wakes in the early evening that's usually OT. Do keep us posted and I really hope things settle down for you soon...
Ok another question (I've been saving these up!): Whose LOs have a cuddly toy for their naps/nights? When did they start and how do you think it's affected their sleep? M has had a soother/comfort blanket from around 6mo (when he left our room) and still uses it, but about a month ago (maybe less?) he became very attached to 'Bear' and started asking for it for sleep. At first I was reluctant as I feared he'd just play, but he's slept with it at night for a couple of weeks now and for naps for about a week too. A few times he's also asked for 'foo foo' (that's the sound a dog makes, apparently!), and seemed ok with that although he then stopped asking for it and just has Bear and his blanket. But I have heard more stirrings recently where he's obviously talking to Bear and now I'm wondering how much it might be disturbing his sleep, or if it's more likely that he wakes anyway and then talks to Bear for comfort? I'm especially unsure of how having two toys (aside from the small comfort blanket) would affect his sleep since it must surely be harder to move/roll without one of them getting in the way and waking him?? He's been stirring a few times this evening, don't think it's OT as he had a good 1.5-2h without a peep, but he's chatted to Bear each time! Or could he even be sleep-talking??
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Hi Trimbler
Things are a wee bit wonky here atm. The 1-2.30 nap with 8pm BT resulted in OT NW's and he started waking earlier. I suspect this is because we moved his nap a touch earlier, but equally it may have all been down to OT, IDK. Of your 3 scenarios, my least favourite is 3) I find that O really does need his 11hrs at night or he is just a total grump. We are barely getting it anymore though, seem to be getting 10.5hrs with a 1.5hr nap so IDK what I'm to do really. He needs a longer nap to manage through the day but if he has it then his nights are waaay short. But I am also finding if I cap his nap to just 1hr, he isn't really making up for it at night. Yesterday he was up late so had 1hr nap & ebt (15mins early) & he did 11hrs & is foul & shattered this morning. He's gone down for a nap at 11am (just 4hrs A) this morning eek! he can only have an hour as we have a birthday party 12-2pm.
WRT cuddly toy, yes Oliver has, erm, 5 in his cot! He also started with a jellycat lamb at around 6 months & I have always allowed him to have it in bed as its his comfofrter. He used to rub it on his face & suck on its arms. Then the 1 became 2, and 2 became 3 & before you know it we have many many cuddly toys. He sleeps with one tucked under each arm, it really is cute. Anyhow, I don't find that they disturb his sleep at all. He does talk to them at bedtime, and also first thing in the morning, and very occasionally I hear him at night, but generally only when he is looking for them. And I find they give him great comfort - if he wakes & is unsettled he will call for them & once he finds them he settles straight back down without us needing to go in at all.
Shresmummy - what trimbler said! We never had any SA but we def found sleep needs changed & that DS needed a longer morning & a very slightly shorter nap.
Right gotta go wake my boy up for this party!x
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Claire - thanks for the reassurance with the cuddlies, I guess I'll just keep an eye on it and let him have more gradually - he's only had Bear the last couple of nights anyway so may have found it too much having more. I think he's a little more on the spirited side than yours - did you say previously that O was a bit touchy? Not sure if that makes any difference, but M certainly does get easily excited, especially when tired! We probably have an advantage in that he can still be very happy in a hyper sort of way when he's a bit OT, although there's a fine line between that and getting whiny or suddenly having a meltdown when he's told 'no'.
Sounds tricky... especially when you have to tweak everything around parties etc, I always have a big panic when we have to be up and out around nap time! Sounds like getting 11h+ at night is more important for O than having a longer nap? How did you get on with PD at 1pm and waking at 2:30, with O not actually getting to sleep until around 1:10? Did that give you the OT NWs with BT still at 8pm? Could you try an earlier BT if he has a shorter nap? Could you PD around 1:10/1:15 instead? Or did you find that you absolutely had to cap to 1h and then it all went wrong? Try more gradual capping? Keep us posted!
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Hi ladies,
I'm here for advice as it seems I am in the same boat as others in here.
I posted my own post the a while back as my then 19 month old seemed to need z shorter nap. I felt Alwful cutting her nap to 1h 30 but it did seem to work getting bedtime back to 7.30 and wake up around 7.00
Now at 20 and a half months I don't know where to go, bedtime is getting later as she chats in bed, not for too long but until nearer 8.00, but the wake up is about 6am so with only an 1.30 nap she just is not sleeping enough.
Problem now is she is getting tired and I don't know when To drop the nap more, I have said to OH to give her a slightly earlier nap at 12.30 or 12.45 and just 1h 15. Then at bedtime I dont know whether to stick to 7.30 or earlier.
I have tried the 1 h 15 before but it doesn't really seem to help her she still has short nights.
Our best nights come on days that naps are out and about and she only naps for an hour in pram or car seat.
I have a horrible feeling she only needs an hour but it feels wring, my dd1 was still having two hour plus until she was 2.
I try to stick to a 7.30 bedtime instead of later as my dd1 has dropped her nap and once a week or more they come back at bedtime from grandmas so she goes to bed between 7.00 and 7.30.
Any ideas ladies please
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Hi All,
Ive spent ages reading all your posts from thr orginal thread, right through to this one and firstly can I say thank you so much for giving us first time mummy's some hope! Im hoping someone will help me with where I go from here........
Im Emma, mummy to Ruby who was 17 months old yesterday, she has always been ahead of the game and Im sure the 18 month old sleep recession is no different.
She has always been an awful napper, getting around 40 mins to 1 hour in one go, no amount of patting, relaying or ssshhhing has ever helped her go back to sleep.
Two weeks ago she suddenly started sleeping for up to 2.5 hours at Nursery between 12pm and 2.30pm.. great I thought, finally cracked the naps... and then all hell broke lose.
We went back to 40 min naps, power struggling at bedtime, 2-3 NWs and and EW at 5.30am to say i'm exhausted is an under statement.
Here's our current routine:
5.30-6.00am- Wake for the day
8.00am- Arrive at Nursery
8.30am- Breakfast
10.00am- Morning snack
11.30am- Lunch
12.00-1.00pm- Nap, refuses to sleep before lunch
2.30pm- Snack
4.00pm- Dinner
4.45- Pick up from Nursery
6.00- Bath, Bottle, Bed- Asleep by 6.30-6.45
I have tried EBT, LBT.. waiting for tired cues etc but dont seem to find the answer. One thing I have found when reading all your posts is that it seems 10.5-11 hours seems to be average at night. Maybe bedtime for Ruby at 6.30pm is always going to cause a EW of 5.30am, and Im dreaming to think that she will go back to sleeping 6.30-6.30?
Can anyone give me any advice?
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One thing I have found when reading all your posts is that it seems 10.5-11 hours seems to be average at night. Maybe bedtime for Ruby at 6.30pm is always going to cause a EW of 5.30am,
11 hrs of night sleep isn't an EW ;) It may be an early start, but an EW is actually less than 10 hrs of night sleep and not at all related to the time of day.
She does seem a bit low on total sleep though for sure... I almost wonder if her first A time is too long and it's causing a chronic OT issue...
I have a horrible feeling she only needs an hour but it feels wring, my dd1 was still having two hour plus until she was 2.
Two things - DD1 may have had higher than average sleep needs ;) DD2 may be average to low sleep needs...
So right now she is something like this:
Wake 7am
Nap 1245 - 2pm
BT 730pm??
If so, she is OT for sure hun... and that could be the main reason for the chatting at BT and the shorter nights... I would let her have a solid 2 hr nap and keep BT at 730/745pm and see what happens after a few days time...
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Hi I'm back again - I've been trying to address my own sleep issues and so cutting out BW in the evening to get an EBT myself! And now I'm trying to get used to the new look of the site :)
Welcome Dijjibob and Emzi! Just one more question for both of you - how are your LOs when awake? Tired/grumpy/hyper? Or just happy and content? When do they seem most tired/OT?
I think we're needing to look at nap capping again... We did get a little stability at:
7am WU
1-2:30pm nap
7:45-8pm BT
But we've had almost a week now of either taking longer to get to sleep at BT (8:45pm tonight!) and having to be woken in the morning or getting to sleep ok but waking early. He's not been showing signs of OT yet but I think we're going to have to do something to break the cycle as I'm sure that we're having to wake in the morning because of the shorter night, then wake after the nap because it's not long enough after the shorter night, but then it's still too long for him to get to sleep at a reasonable time in order to have a decent night... So, if we get a 7am WU tomorrow then I'll get DH to wake him from his nap after 1h 15 (so 2:15pm) and then probably PD at 7:45pm. Dijjibob - whenever we've done this before we've stuck to the nap start time like glue and bring BT forward a little to compensate - so when PD was 8pm after a 1h 45min nap but he wasn't settling until more like 8:30pm, we'd shave 15mins off the nap and try PD at 7:45pm. That seemed to settle things after a while and gradually BT would be back to 8pm again - so I'm hoping this will work again for us this time!
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Hi Trimbler,
Thanks for the welcome, most mornings Ruby wakes up crying or moany. We have had a few mornings where she has played with her teddies but not for long.
Yesterday she slept for 50 mins at nursery from 12.20pm to 13.10pm. By the time she was in the bath at 6.15pm she was hysterical and almost asleep in my arms whilst drying her. Needless to say we had a disrupted night, crying at 10pm, 1am, 3am and awake for the day at 6.20am
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Thankyou for info, and in answer to the questions. LO is always quite happy when she wakes, sometimes she will lie quietly sucking her thumb skin never can be sure what time she wakes. Then soon will start to shout mommy but doesn't seem OT to me. Obviously some mornings of she has taken ages to fall asleep and then wakes early she struggled to get through morning until nap time.
I have tried to cut 1h 15 before but we ended with nws at 4.30 which is happening again now. ( she is really upset when wakes) I am going to try 1.15 again today but try slightly earlier bed as she has been falling straight to sleep at 7.30 with shorter nap. If I give her 1 30 she either falls asleep at 7.30 and then wakes at 5.45 - 6.00 or takes ages to fall asleep and then Wakes early anyway.
Options wake 7.00
Nap 1-2.15
Bed 7.15
Hope for no night wakes,
Or 1.30 nap and later bedtime although we find ghis harder with dd1
She is taking a while to fall asleep at nap time 10 - 20 minutes do I still keep nap length the same or keep wake up time the same and sk shorter night.
Thankyou
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Can I ask you ladies a quick question. I am trying to decide if I have a temporary home here with you ladies or if my issues are routine related. my little guy turned 18months this week and we are having some strong BT refusal. I'm letting him nap for 1.45-2hrs. How long of an A time would you give if you were me?
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Alright,, I think I need to reserve a spot here :/
after beginning our BT wind down at 745, it is now 1020 and I've just gotten my LO to sleep. My little guy is requiring between 1-2.5hrs of rocking, soothing to get to sleep right now. I am at a loss.
Here's our normal routine.
WU: 730ish sometimes earlier and I always wake by 8 if he's not awake already
Nap:1-3( I have to wake him almost every day)
BT: 8
What do you ladies think of this routine? Is it standard 18month regression behavior or do you think he's dropping his sleep needs and I need to change something. He's been needing to be rocked completely asleep for about 10 days, but once asleep he has been sleeping through the night. I'm terrified of that I've messed the whole thing up and he'll begin fighting BT and then waking all night. HELP!!!!
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Your routine looks fine to me!
How are things going at the moment?
Laura
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Hi ladies
I have posted elsewhere for advice but think i need a spot here with you guys!
DD is nearly 18 months and nights have been bad for the past week. She's never been a great napper but has been an angel during the night without any moans.
Now we get at least 1 NW either early (say 10pm) or later (say 3am). All I need to do is go in her room, tap her mattress then I sit and wait until she falls back to sleep (which can take ages as she seems wide awake!!) THe chair in her room isn't the comfiest to doze on and today I am a zombie with lack of sleep and have a sore nexk from dozing for 20 mins in her room grrrr!
It is made worse as DS (35 months) is in the room next door so I do go into DD perhaps earlier than I perhaps should so that I don't end up with the whole house awake!
My DS had this regression almost to the day the same as her so I know it will pass but when you're in the midst of it it seems never ending!
We are going out tonight so am going to try to aim for a 6pm bed time (for DD not for me - although I feel like I need it) and then fingers crossed she doesn't wake up for the babysitter!
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It's a hard time!
What is her routine like now?
Laura
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Hi there,
I'd love some advice! My LO is 18 months and is started having problems with independent sleep. I'm not sure if it's sleep regression, or if it's the fact we've recently been on two holidays and with crazy routines and a lot of APOPing as he hates sleeping anywhere besides home and daycare.
His naps are generally getting shorter too, but he is waking seeming grumpy and tired from them, the few times he's done 2+ hr naps in the last month or so, he's been super happy afterwards - he definitely needs them!
This is our routine:
WU between 6:30-7
nap is around 12:30 for 1-2 hours ( I don't cap - very occasionally he will do longer than 2 hours)
BT is 6:30-7:30 depending on nap length.
His final canine is cutting, so we are medicating him before BT with nurofen.
I've had a quick skim through this thread, but couldn't find what I'm looking for, which is:
Is it best to APOP through the 18 month sleep regression, or should I stick to the techniques we used to use (WI/WO)?
I tried wi/wo last night and it didn't work, he would not settle with me in the room at all. He kept saying "up up" and signing for milk. He will settle more quickly with DH, but he was out. By the time DH got home he was beside himself, and DH ended up taking him for a drive to settle him. He just wants to be fed to sleep, but I don't want to set this up as a habit.
ANy advice?
TIA
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A 1-1.5hr nap at this age is usually OT - can you bring your nap back to 12 so he's having 5.5hr to nap?
We are feeding at wakings here (or feeding, then PD for independently going back to sleep, once he's had enough cuddles - that's all he really seems to want, milk and cuddles with me. DH will. not. do. :(
We're getting delicious 3hr naps to compensate for the terrible nights at least. I keep getting sick from being run down and tired...
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He's definitely OT at the moment after our trips away, but before that I don't know. He tends to sleep better when we've been busy and he's run around a lot, so I feel like his shorter naps are UT - could that be right? I find him so hard to figure out! Today he did 2hrs after a 6.25 hr A time because it took him so long to get to sleep, but that was after a short night since it too him 2hrs to get to sleep the night before.
He's really fighting BT and naps - I try to put him down and he goes rigid in my arms and starts screaming. If I feed him, he'll get to the stage where he is droopy enough to go down without a fight; if I put him down before then, DH can usually get him to settle, but I can't.
So should I can the feeding to sleep or just go with it until this phase passes?
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For the first time in 2 weeks dd slept right through :-) Bed time was earlier than I have ever done at 6.30 and she went straight down and woke at 7. May well be a fluke but am going to do early bed tonight again and cross my fingers!
For nw I just go into dd room, tap the mattress and sit down on the chair. I don't speak at all. Dd will eventually lay back down and go to sleep. Then I can only leave the room once I hear the little snoring though!
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so I feel like his shorter naps are UT - could that be right?
I'd be surprised. DS always sleeps better if he's been running around too, physically he needs a sleep, just as much as his brain does, so his body lets him rather than jerking around, yk?
The OT I refer to for the nap being short is short-term OT, his nights might be enough to get him through but he may take a better nap if he is going down a little earlier is all.
So should I can the feeding to sleep or just go with it until this phase passes?
Your choice. IME, LO's tend to go back to independent sleep reasonably well once they're through phases like this but I don't know if that becomes less likely the older they get. I'm going with it for now.
We have nights as little as 8.5hr sleep but with so much lying in the cot (over an hour each end of the night) chatting to lovey/dummies, lying and thinking that we seem to be doing ok rest-wise.
Annabelp - Yay for the STTN :)
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Annabelp - great night! fingers crossed it continues!
becj86 - As lovely as those long naps are I am wondering if they are too long? I wonder if the day time sleep is actually robbing the night sleep now. I know they need a good nap to make up for a rubbish night but you can get into a cycle of needing that long nap but the long nap is not helping the night IYSWIM!
Laura
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Yeah, I KWYM, Laura. Have tried capping and it was a disaster. In all fairness, I need BT to be 7:30 at the earliest 3 days each week, so prefer to keep it that way the rest of the time too. I'm hoping with set nap (12) and set BT (7:30 which he goes down fine for after 4.5-5.5 hr depending on nap length), he will start to sleep later in the morning - DH leaves for work at 5:15 and his car is quite noisy - wakes L if DH rattling round getting ready hasn't already. Then the light keeps him awake - sun's up, its daytime in a toddler's mind... but he does just lie in bed creating his little imaginary world for his dummies, so its not strenuous.
As much as the naps are probably part of the problem with the nights, they are all that's keeping our sanity and L rested at the moment. He did self-regulate nicely a few weeks ago and slept til 6:30, then a 2hr nap and that was fine and dandy, then he got a little OT again and the whole early wake cycle started again. L has terrible, quite lengthy NT's in his naps and the 1st half of the night when OT, so I'm avoiding that as much as anything else.
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It may be a little soon to say, so I'll whisper:
DS is waking less at night... he seems to be self-settling more regularly through the night too. He was up only once last night.
Not sure if its just that we're coming out of this regression or because of how I'm talking to him, but it may be helpful for you guys too. I had been telling DS that I'd be there any time he needed me (thinking this would give him confidence I'd be there if needed so he could go back to sleep easily without me) but since I've started telling him I'm a much nicer mummy when I get sleep and I know how good he is at going to sleep by himself, that he can turn over and get his dummy/puppy and have a suck/cuddle and go back to sleep, he's reduced the number and length of NW's :)
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What???? There's an 18 month sleep regression??? Why do I never read ahead far enough and fast enough.
I think DS is starting this... he goes to bed really well and naps decently at daycare. Usually from 12ish to 1:30 or 2:00 ish. At home he naps better usually 2 sometimes 3 hrs. But here's the problem... he's waking randomly between 3 and 5. I BF him and he used to go back to sleep easily. Now he's up screaming and thinking it's time to get up and play and screams and scream for about 1 hr prior to me getting him to settle. He's not hungry b/c I just BF him, he's not in pain b/c he has all his teeth, he's not sick right now (knock on wood), so... it's just that after 9 to 10 ish hrs of sleep he's not quite tired enough to go back to sleep. But 4 or 5 is way to early to be up for the day. I know I shouldn't be BF him at night, but ever since I've been back to work he wakes at night to BF (reverse cycling) that I haven't had the heart to break b/c of all his daycare adjustments and sickness. I'm thinking I should put him to bed a touch later. He's usually asleep by 6:30 which would make for the required 11.5 hrs at night b/c we have to be up at 6 for work/daycare.
Anyways at least I found this thread and realized there is an 18 month regression as well...
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Yep, that's what ours looked like initially too... is he happy to stay in bed quietly in the morning?
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we are getting lots of this too, the waking after about 10 hours, short naps and even crying at nap time......hope it passes. I still have not had the 3 hour naps I was promised! ;)
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Yup becj86. He's usually ok in the am. He'll grumble a bit but he's not screaming for me to come get him or anything and he's not that into BF in the am anymore bc he just filled up an hour or so ago.
So... Is there anything I can do? Or are we just waiting it out...
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I think this one's a wait it out thing, unfortunately. Keeping the routine as steady as possible is helpful, so LO can self-regulate through the changes in sleep needs.
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Ahhhhhhh. Just when you have everything figured out right? I guess we'll wait it out. I just checked wonder weeks and it's not a leap but a little cloudy period right now too. I was thinking of moving his BT a tad later. Right now it's 6-6:30, so maybe 6:30-7:00 would be better? Anyone know how long this recrssion typically lasts?
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I can't work out how much of our issues atm is the 18 month sleep regression..I guess it must be. DD turned 18 months on 1st Dec and things are just grim! Naps are short, we have NWings and/or EWings and very very unusually some weird BT stuff too. How long does it go on for? Some of it may be her cold but not all. I wonder about canines but nothing obvious. We are SO tired :(
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Becky, I didn't think I'd notice it, sleep was so bad anyway, but it got worse with the regression :( I think it lasted about 3-4 weeks but I can't be sure because plenty of other things play into DS' sleep...
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that's the thing isn't it....it could be so many things and I know the cold and dropping to 1 nap are part of it but we just seem to have taken so many steps backwards! How are things with you?
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Terrible :( DH let L sleep at 11 on Saturday instead of keeping him up til 12 (set nap time) and he slept 1hr10 - UT. Couldn't get him down til 5:45 which was too much A off such a short nap and voila, OT baby... so now I'm just going to have to be really consistent all week with 12/7:30 as sleep times and hope to reset his body clock yet again.
L was up about 6 times last night but is still sleeping now at 6am... 10.5hr night and counting. I did have to wake him at 7:30 yesterday to go to work but I don't have to today. Not really sure if I should let him sleep and how long for? Then do I still do a set nap or do I shift it out a little so he has some chance of actually sleeping for his nap?
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how did it go??
Our big issue is naps - what A time do you work to atm? i know you said you set - has that been successful? I just can't get a decent nap out of M and that is the root of our issues.
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A time is anything between 4.5 and 6.5-7hr depending on WU, usually 5.5. Set nap at 12 is working reasonably well, along with set BT at 7:30 - the EW (hence the long A time) I think may be teeth-related, working now on timing meds right to get him through the early hours of the morning, seems to need them at 4am or so to get through to 6:30/7am with all that goes on around here in the morning.
I must admit our naps are pretty good. 1hr20 after 4.5hr (definitely UT), usually 2-2.5hr and sometimes 3hr. I have been known to resettle early on in the nap but I've got to be in there within seconds of him stirring or he's up.
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gah, our naps are atrocious!
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Things were going well for a while. Pushed BT back a touch and then solidly getting 11 to 11.5 hrs of sleep. Good naps at home 2 to 3 hrs, but only 1.5 to 2 hrs at daycare. Down to only BF in AM and PM, not NFs! Then I wasn't home for one BT and it all went downhill. Plus we had to keep him out past his BT one night. I think he needs routines so much. Hope this weekend is good. I'm going to be part time in Jan instead of full time and I hope that will help him adjust a bit better. I'm so happy I had a whole year off, but I still think it was a bit early to go back to work/daycare for DS. Hope everyone is having a good sleeps!
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Hello ladies, How are you all? I haven't been on regularly for a while (life has kinda got in the way!) but we are having sleep issues and thought I'd have a read on this thread to get some insight....
Sofia turned 18m just before Xmas and also at the same time cut 2 canines and the other 2 are on their way by the looks of it. Xmas has left us a little out of whack with the routine but not in a crazy way. I have been blaming the teeth for NWs but they have settled down (the teeth and for the last couple of nights the NWs too) but now we are getting bedtime refusal, last night and tonight she was up til 9pm.
Going to have a good read thru but am hoping to see this is a short lived phase!! :)
xxxx
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Hi again. I have had a skim through and looked at the stickies, is there any info on the regression - how to tell if it is a regression, how long it lasts on average, what to do (stick with existing routine, try tweaks, what methods of settling work well...)
We managed to leave Sofia last night and she moaned a little and then chatted but again didn't sleep til 9pm...
What is everyone's day looking like at 18m? Just wonder if we need a tweak. She was reliably doing 2-3hrs nap waking around 3pm then going to bed at about 7:30pm, now it's more like 1.5hrs nap tops, and bed is a write off!
Rach. x
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We've had to shift nap later and have a shorter A to BT, but L has always done better with a long AM A and short A to BT.
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Hi Rach! :)
This is what our day looks like atm but it is not that typical...as we never have been!
A - 6-7am
Nap - 12-12.30-2pm
BT - 7pm
A good nap for M is about 1.5 hours but we get lots of 1 hours too so we do 6pm BT and she sleeps 12-12.5 hours.
Anyway - got some links for you...
http://alphamom.com/parenting/toddler-parenting/when-your-toddler-stops-sleeping/
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and this one...
http://www.babysleepsite.com/baby-sleep-patterns/why-18-month-sleep-regression-can-be-hardest/
Hope they help a bit x
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Thanks Becky. That's very similar to our routine on a normal week. Xmas has thrown things a bit, but not so much that we should be expecting 9pm bedtimes / 1.5-2hr battles to get her to sleep. Even took her swimming this morning to ensure she was physically worn out. Apparently that has no bearing!
She is still up there now chatting, Dh and I daren't start cooking dinner as every noise starts her shouting or crying again...! This is ridiculous, night after night of back and forth into her room, us not being able to get on with the evening... Let's hope it finishes soon! How long has M's been going on?
Thanks for those links, they were the ones I had a read of the other day. No real mention of how long this goes on for, only the promise that if they were once a good sleeper they will return to being so...
R. x
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Ours lasted a few weeks as well. Thankfully it's pasted. Our routine is up around 6 or 6:30, nap around 12 for 2 hrs, bed around 6:30 or 7:00. It was finally after this 18 month regression that DS went back to STTN since I went back to work. Good luck rach!
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Tbh I am not sure M has been through it, it has been hard to tell as she only went to 1 nap at 17 months and then for a month we had loads of issues but I think it was more 2:1 than 18 month stuff yk?. Henry def did not go through it, he saved it up for 2!
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I almost dare not post that she has been down since 8pm...
Had a horrific night but noticed the other 2 canines have just pierced through the gums during one of the many wake ups, so guess that is to blame for at least some of it. Hope she is going to be a bit easier now these have cut.
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aaah, bet that was a large part of it like you say. We still have no canines yet. Fingers crossed for a good night x
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Wow. I'm here. The day I have been dreading...sigh.. My ds turned 18 mos. on the 5th. A couple of days after Christmas, he started doing the 45 min. naps and starting crying..very unusual for him. His routine was WU 7am
nap 12:30-2:30
BT 8pm.
So, after reading some advice on here, I increased his awake time to 6hrs. and he started doing his 2 hr. naps again. yey :) Well, last night he woke around 5:30 or 6..not sure I turned over and tried to go back to sleep..but he just talked and talked and sang all of his new words he has been learning. So due to his crib party, we both are extremely tired over here. And he has been sooo fussy, really horrible. And I am 2.5 months pregnant so I am really really tired. I really hope this doesn't last 2 months. So, I could use some advice from some of you lovely ladies who have been going through this. He barely made it to 11:45, and was falling asleep through his book. Do I cap his nap to 1.5 hrs. to promote his night sleep? Or will that make him OT due to not being able to catch up on his missing night sleep. I have to mention that with his other sleep regressions he got VERY OT. And it took ages to to get through it. Nights of just holding him while he slept because he was SOO OT that he would jolt all night long. Other than his sleep regressions he has always been a independent sleeper, with no props. Advice anyone?
oh, and btw, he has all of his teeth now except his last molar which has a flap of gums that is loose and still needs the rest of the tooth to come through. He already has his canines, they came before his molars.
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ok..so he went down at 11:45 and I was going to wake him at 1.5 hrs, but it took 10 min. for me to get the courage to wake him lol, so he slept 1hr. 40 min. And he is NOT happy...so hopefully he wont wake at 5:30 in the morning (although I know that It's bound to happen before we are through this) , sigh..I'm crossing my fingers. Darn I am soo tired..
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how was your night rochelleperales?? Any better? I wonder if that last molar is bothering him. Have you tried meds?
Rach - hope things have been smoother at BT?
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Thank you for responding! Night was better, not what is was before, but better. He woke at 5:15am and talked a little bit for couple of minutes, then went back to sleep, then woke for good at 6:30am. Was 7am before, but I am not going to complain. Yes we medicate, but the tooth is almost through. My question is should I keep capping his nap to 1.5 hrs? It may explain his better night, but he was sooo fussy yesterday after his nap, oh my gosh it was bad. The previous horrible night could account for some of the fussiness, but he was not happy when I woke him. Wdyt?
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That is a tricky one....my gut says not to cap to 1.5 tbh especially if he is grumpy when he wakes. Is he going down for bed ok after a 2 hour nap i.e. do you think he is UT at BT?
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Sometimes he takes a while to fall asleep at night, but not regularly. He does get very active in the evening with his older brothers and very silly, so I really have to dim the lights to settle him down. But because his awake time now is 6 hrs., his bedtime is getting later. Too late. And he wakes for long periods of time in the middle of the night and talks/sings, or does a early night. He did a 1.5 hr. nap today and woke on his own. Very unusual for him. And he was ok today. I guess because his night sleep was better last night because I capped the nap yesterday. I think. I dunno? Wdyt?
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I don;t think you will know after one night tbh, it might be worth seeing if 2-3 days of that works or not and then you can reassess?
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OK,well...the last two day he has woken at the 1.5 hr mark on his own so maybe that is my answer. We will see...his nights are almost back on track. More wake ups than normal, but he goes back to sleep, so no crib parties the last two nights. He just turned 18 mos. so maybe I am speaking too soon....thank you so much for the advice :)
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pleasure - keep us posted x
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Hi,
Rochelle - hugs, it's hard to know which way to play it. Hopefully the little tweaks will help you make the best of the situation and meanwhile if there is any regression stuff going on that will be moving towards being fixed too...
As for us... slightly better. The NWs have improved as the canines have pushed through so that's that mystery solved. The restlessness at nap time has stopped but at BT it continues and she's still not settling til near 9pm some nights. Her naps have naturally reduced to 1.5-2hrs rather than the old 2-2.5hrs but I'm loathed to cut them back further as she really seems to need a good rest in the middle of the day. So we're just waiting it out for now and will reassess in a while...
How are things with you Becky??
Rach. x
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I would def stick with 1.5-2 hour naps for Sofia Rach - she has always been average-high sleep needs as I remember??
Well things have been great for about 3 weeks, probably best ever after our hellish 2:1 transition but slightly shaky again now. I suspect canines as we are getting earlier mornings again and she has strange nappies but having said that she did a great nap yesterday and I wonder if she was UT at BT...she is very sensitive to OT so it is hard to get it right!!
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So hard to get right!! How's she doing with the teeth Becky? These canines are not fun!!
Yes Sofia has been pretty high sleep needs, she has always napped well (outside of teething / routine glitches when she was little.) Settling for bed time is improving, not completely back to normal but definitely better. We had a lot of wake ups last night but think she may have been cold. She settled down once we had put the heating back on!
Rach. x
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uggh, awful right now, don't know what is going on tbh. She has no canines so could be that or else developmental. Always something!
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Okay, we need some serious help here...
My DS will be 18 months on the 22nd...this week (Monday) he started with VERY early WU - 4:00 was the earliest, but all before 5:00am.
His normal routine (not ideal but normal)
WU - 5:30-5:45am
Nap - 12:30 - 12:45 - usually 1.5 - 1.75 hours
BT - 6:30
After successfully using GW, we can put him into his crib awake and he goes to sleep. For the most part he STTN - with a few NW here or there, usually short until this week...
He will every few days take a catnap on the way to nursery for about 20-30 minutes.
He doesn't have his canine teeth yet but they are bulging so I know they are moving around.
I have no clue what to do...
We did a EBT of 5:30 on Tuesday and he woke at 2:15am and was up happy, clapping his hands, chatting until after 4 when he fell asleep for another hour or so then up for the day at 5am...
So confused and could really use any ideas at all...I'll try anything at this point to get him back to a 530 WU...
Anything after 6 is a pipe dream at this point but I'll take anything after 5 right now...
HELP...
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Can you do an earlier nap? That seems such a long A time to the nap,Ii wonder if he is OT by the time it comes round so crashes and then is not restored by it yk?
I would try this.
A - 5.30am
Nap - 11.30/45-1/1.30pm
BT - 6pm
what do you think?
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That would be ideal and I'm going to try this weekend with that routine. He is at nursery all week but I may have to make a special request for her to put him down early...
You're right it is a monster morning A time...If only I could reason with him and say, "come on bud, just sleep longer, you'll feel better"...ah if only...
How much do you think is simply OT? would he have a "happy" long NW with OT?
18 months sucks...teeth, regression, development...
>:(
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If only I could reason with him and say, "come on bud, just sleep longer, you'll feel better"...ah if only...
tell me about it!
I would think this is OT but if he is teething too then that is tough. If they are long happy NWings I would be unsure about OT but M has strange OT wakings where she might start with a cry but then chats and it IS OT.
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Sounds like a good plan...
We are still struggling a bit here. Sofia's naps have settled down, but her nights are still off. She went back to settling well for bed, but still having NWs, then the last couple of nights she is not settling for ages, screaming, wanting us to stay in the room. I'm still inclined to think teeth are at fault as the top 2 are still pushing through... Ugh. Whatever it is, we're knackered, and short tempered and getting pretty sick of her antics!!
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yup here too...M has a cough so totally understandable but was awake for nearly 2 hours last night and I was just sooooooo tired this am. Luckily DH let me have a lie-in.
Higs Rach - I really would think this is teeth.
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Hugs to you too Becky. This is so much harder work than I remember it with Max!! He really was an angel baby once we got everything working with him...
I think the teeth are definitely a factor, but she's also showing a massive preference for me at the moment so I think the prolonged wakings / upset we've had lately have been because DH volunteered to go and deal with her. I put her down at BT tonight (usually I cook while DH does BT) and she settled immediately, as she did when i put her down for her nap. DH tried at nap time and she went nuts...
Not sure where this has come from as we share the childcare fairly evenly (we both work, I am home 1 day more than him and I guess I take the lead, but DH is very involved.) I remember Max having phases of preferring one or the other, but this has become really obvious lately. She will run to me as soon as I am in the room, and even if occupied with DH, if she sees me she will not let up until she can get to me... So looks like I'm doing BT and then racing down to cook dinner!!
Hey ho... anything for a quiet life!
How's the snow where you are Becky? Horrific up here in Herts. Will probably have to stay home tomorrow... oh well lol! :)
Rach. x
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how are things Rach?
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okay, back with another question...Hope someone can give me some insight...
Yesterday DS woke at 3:40am - would not go back into his crib - screaming his little head off if I tried. So I sat with him in the rocking chair until DH got home from work at 6:00am
Nap at 12:30 - 1 hour 20 minutes :-[
Bt- had him in bed for 6 - took till almost 7 for him to fall asleep. He was in his crib and we were in the living room and could hear him rolling around and trying to settle and fall asleep...
NW at 11 - again, settled and tried to put him back in his crib but no chance...so sat with him in the rocking chair and we both fell asleep. Back in his crib for 1:00am sound asleep. Slept until 5:33am...got him up at 5:50 as he was getting upset...
OT all the way right? What is with the crying/screaming and not wanting to go back in his crib? We did GW and it was working beautifully and not it's all going to pot???
Teething canines although no sign of them yet but cheeks are red and blotchy and fingers constantly in the mouth...
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Definitely OT Mattsmummy, and those canines are AWFUL. My son was not a terrible teether - just normal stuff, a bit unsettled, a couple of red cheeks - but goodness we were SHOCKED how bad the canines were.
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I know...it's weird the behaviour...
So do I apop to get him through or try GW again for the NW's? He is already so OT (I'll aim for even earlier than 6 to get him caught up) so with GW it will just make him even more tired...
BOO :-\
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I think you have to stick to GW as much as you can but cut both of you some slack and AP if things are just going nuts. Sometimes we have to AP but as long as it's OP (on purpose) and we stay mindful of why we're doing it and when it's appropriate, no harm done. This crazy regression and canines combined (think there's a wonder week in there too?) is a perfect storm of sleep craziness, so just do what you gotta do to survive, mama.
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THANK YOU!
I will try for an earlier bt and hopefully get him caught up a bit which will hopefully (f x'd) help with the NW too...
Stinking teeth - making us all nuts!!!
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Teeth and colds are the worst! DS got all 4 eye teeth at once. Not sure if that's better or worse. Early bedtime is always good!
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Hi ladies, just jumping on here so I don't start banging my head into the wall. I'm assuming we're going through the 18mo regression, as I can't really find another reason for the weirdness going on. G has all his teeth except 2yr molars (the canines have a bit to push through still, but I don't think they're an issue). 2 weeks ago he was doing nice 2-2.5hr naps with 11-12hr nights. He was seeming pretty flexible, so a few days one week, I didn't get him down til later for a nap as we were out in the morning. He then started having strange NWs, where he'd wake up wailing (sounded like a bad dream). I'd go in and he'd settle quick, so nothing that would take away from sleep too much (one night it happened twice). But, then his mornings started getting earlier and his naps shorter and now we're stuck in this bad cycle. Today he woke 30min into his nap (after 5:40 A; too long) and I couldn't resettle. He slept 40min in the car to his 18mo appt, and did a bunch of OT gobbly-gook at BT, so the day was over 13hr long. Yikes, this is ridiculous. (And my apologies to those of you hearing about this on the BCs as well, I don't mean to be going on about it everywhere, just don't know what the heck to do. :-[)
Does this sound like regression or did I muck up the routine? What is a standard total amount of sleep to get at 18mo, maybe I don't have it right?
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Hugs katie,
Def could be the regression although not been through it with my two. H never had it and M's sleep is pretty wonky generally so maybe not the best person to comment.
I would try and persevere with his usual routine tbh as if it is a regression he should sort himself out. You may need to try some earlier EBT's if his naps are wonky...I personally don't find much luck with messing nap times about too much but EBT's can really help in this situation.
Apart form that try and be as consistent as you can and hopefully he will come good ;)
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oh...and probably worth trying meds one nap just to see. I am not one for giving meds all over the place but it is not impossible he could be getting his molars. H had them by about 21 months. At least if it makes no difference you can cross that off the list!
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Thanks, Becky! :-* Claire never had it either, so I don't really know what I'm looking for. I think I might tip over if it really is 2yr molars, but I guess then at least we'd be all done. I've tried to look the past couple days, but don't think I see anything.
The routine issue is so hard. I didn't think he was super sensitive to OT, and he did nap fine at a later time those few days. But, I do wonder if that threw him off a bit, because lately if we go over 5-5.25hr A, he does a silly short nap. But, if I keep it close to it he'll still do a longer one. That is not easy to do tough, if he wakes early. Today he was up at 5:30am after falling asleep about 7:15pm last night. ::) I wimped out and did two naps. :P
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Hugs Katie. I think this is the thing with this regression - it's all mixed up with so many possible factors that it's hard to know what it is and what to do about it.
For us, it's been medicating for the teeth, and just trying not to fall into bad habits with resettling her. I have tweaked the routine a little - longer A times, and accepted that some days our naps are shorter (always at least an hour though) but tried not to change too much and just persevere through this patch (in the hope it is just a patch!)
We seem to be mainly through the worst of it, as the canines have done their thing now, but she still takes longer to settle than she used to at BT. No more just popping her into the cot and walking out. Now it's 2 books, an argument about no more books, then a bit of cuddling and cooing before putting her into bed and arguing a bit more about it being BT!
So just hang in there I guess, it will get better.
As an aside, I am wondering about 2yr molars too as Sofia has spent all day with her fingers rammed in the back of her mouth, red cheeks and some interesting nappies. I'd almost be happy to get them out of the way now so that we are over and done with it all. :)
Rach. x
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Hi Rach, thanks! :-* Nice to 'see' you again!! ;D
Yes, it's so hard to know exactly what to do, because of all the factors involved. Both kids have a chesty, hacking cough now and stuffy nose, so that's added to the mix. I can hear G coughing several times through the night. :(
He's so tired, poor guy, but just isn't getting very good sleep. His nap yesterday was only 45min and again I couldn't resettle. He does that OT scream and can't settle down to suck his thumb because of the stuffed up nose. :( We had our first 5:30pm BT last night. It seemed to do him well, because I didn't hear him til 6:20 this am, but he still struggled with a nap today (I'm wondering if he was up rolling around much earlier as he tends to do that). I'm currently sitting in the rocking chair with him snoring on me. :) Got him back to sleep after he woke, but couldn't get him back down. Haven't done this in so long, I'm loving the cuddle.
LOL at the fight about books. G is loving a Clifford bedtime one we checked out from the library. I'm almost afraid to return it, because he'll be lost without it. Maybe it'll be a little Valentine surprise for him.
Glad you are through the worst of it. If S is getting her 2yrs, I hope they come through quick! :-*
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Rachel I think that's a really good point about the longer wind-down after and maybe during this regressions. I remember that from Stan too. After this, it's not like putting a baby to bed any more, it's putting down a busy toddler who needs more/longer help to wind down and to process their day.
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Definitely Anna. Actually now I think of it, my husband is having real trouble putting Sofia to bed these days and I think it's because he has been trying to skimp on the wind down / book reading and general snuggling before bed. He's expecting her to switch off quickly and then getting a bit irritated with her when she doesn't - I'm sure she can sense that too. To be fair, she is having a massive mummy phase (is that happening with anyone else??) so that doesn't help, but I'm sure if he put in the time on the wind down it would be much easier on them both!
Katie - good to "see" you too. I really hope G is better soon, no fun when they are sick and struggling to sleep - just when they really need that extra rest. :(
Lol on the Clifford book - I would get one as back up!!
Sofia is obsessed with books full stop. It is the word she says more than any other, and she's a pretty vocal kid these days! :)
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Okay, so I need some advice/hugs…
DS is 18 months old and is giving me a terrible time right now with his sleep…
His routine before all this started was:
WU – 5:15 – 5:45ish
Nap – 12:30 (fixed at nursery) for 1.5 – 1.75 hours
BT 6:30
He would go down easily for both naps and bedtime. He is an IS – we used GW successfully a few months back…
Now, he is taking ages to fall asleep for BT, taking SUPER short naps (25 mins!) and is up numerous times through the night and won’t go back in his crib…
He has a cold right now, is teething his canines – although I can’t see them yet and he has is starting to use new words everyday – plus his receptive language seems to have taken a leap as well…
Combined with all this is some behaviour issues- not listening, hitting, throwing…
I know he is OT and even my attempt at an early BT of 5:30 didn’t work as it took him till his regular BT to fall asleep…
I’m exhausted and confused as to what to do…
Thoughts???
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Thoughts???
I think that canines, a cold, and being-18-months-old is a perfect storm of sleep craziness. Not a whole lot you can do but medicate, be as consistent as you can, and do what you've got to do to survive. Hold tight mama!
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Hugs, we are going through this too. We don't have the cold but I 'think' she is teething her canines and her language has just taken off. Wake ups are screaming and any time from 5am. Not fun :(
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yes recipe for disaster sleeping...I guess all I can do is whatever needs to be done...I live in hope of one day sleeping past 6am...one day...
Will try for ebt tonight and see how we get on...
Thanks!
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Lots of luck Mattsmummy, hope the ebt helps ease things a bit. Hang in there... the cold can't last forever, and those pesky teeth will make their way through soon.
Sofia's also had a big leap in her language these past 6 weeks or so. I have been keeping my little list of words (as I did with Max) and she's getting on for nearly 100 words, all pretty clear (well, I know what a "nee naw" and a "pider" are!) I have another little chatterbox on my hands. :)
Rach. x
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Hi ladies!
So, we're here! I think we hit this regression a couple weeks ago, I just wasn't aware of it... :-[
And I find it all so strange...so here's the story: 2 weeks ago V started having NWs. First I thought he was teething (he's a late teether and he's been constantly teething for months now... ::) ), but then it never got better, so I guess it's the regression - if strange NWs can be the only sign of it????? ???
I mean, he doesn't fight naps or BT, he goes down easily, naps well (around 1.5 hrs) and his NWs are not consistent at all. There are times when he calls out for me and settles with a back rub only, other times he screams his head off and has to be picked up, other times he's just whimpering unable to settle for ages (his record was 2 hrs!). There are some nights when he's up once, or nights like yesterday when he was up 5 times!
So, what do you reckon? Is it the regression, or something else? ???
Sorry, don't have time to read back, have to go to work soon....
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Sounds like it to me...same thing in my house...very inconsistent NW's - all over the map right now.
Hang in there and check back as others will post their thoughts too...
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We had a combination of both Tecike - NWs and then resistence about going to bed (naps were generally ok for settling but often shorter than before.) We are now just battling with the extended settling for bed.
Sounds like it probably is regression that V has...! I am now using it as my catch all explanation - after teething, growth spurts etc...! :)
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To be fair, she is having a massive mummy phase (is that happening with anyone else??)
Yes, we are having that right now too. "Mama, mama, mama" is pretty constant. It can be tough at times, but it's a bit nice after hearing "Da, dada, da" for quite some time. ;)
I am now using it as my catch all explanation - after teething, growth spurts etc...! :)
Ha, yeah, there has to be something to blame after all that other stuff! :P
(((Hugs))), ladies, we're riding it out too.
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ugh...these NW and EW are just wearing me down...
What should I be doing at the EW - he is WIDE awake come 5:00am...and won't resettle even with sitting with me in the rocking chair...
He is taking ages to go down for bt, so even a 5:45 bt becomes 6:30-6:45 and then up through the night and up early...
He must be massively OT but just won't sleep...He took a short 15 minute catnap on the way to nursery this morning so I know he's tired he just fights it...
Last night he was in his crib for 5:45, fell asleep at 6:40
NW at 12:30
NW at 2:45
NW at 4:10 - settled himself I didn't have to go in
UP at 5:11 am... :-\
Lord give me strength...
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Oh Mattsmummy that is rough!
How far are you into this? If it's any comfort (and I have no idea if what we had is standard - are there any averages with babies lol??) our NWs lasted a couple of weeks, and seem to now be mainly left with BT resistence but that isn't every night now. I'm hoping you are through the worst of it, you must be exhausted! :(
I don't really have any advice other than to check for teeth, medicate for pain if you need to, and basically hang in there... xx
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I don't really have any advice other than to check for teeth, medicate for pain if you need to, and basically hang in there... xx
Me neither... (((hugs))) hon, that sounds rough! :(
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thanks for the hugs!
We are about 2 weeks into this nightmare...
I had him in his crib asleep last night for 5:45pm...he was up 5x before midnight and then slept until 5:00 on the dot.
The NW were very quick resettle so I don't think he lost too much sleep. So all in around 11 1/4 hours sleep.
So, what should I do about BT? He took a short catnap on the way to nursery again this morning, about 15 minutes. Nap will be around 12:15/12:30. His naps are getting erratic too...he did 1 hour 15 yesterday and 1 hour 45 day before.
Should I aim for an early bt again?
Any one have any luck with set nap/BT? His nap is set at 12:15/12:30 but his BT have been all over as I try and tackle this...thinking maybe I should set it at same time every night and gradually move it later???
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yk what - I think I would set everything at this point. I know your nap time is set and so his am A is monster!! I would set BT for about 6pm and then work on slowly pushing the day forward if you can. Hugs x
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We tend to work to a pretty set routine really, maybe a little more relaxed at weekends if she has been up significantly earlier, but generally it's nap at 12.30/12.45pm for as long as she'll go but usually no more than 2hrs, and then BT is around 8pm. I'd love her to be down earlier, and have started the wind down process earlier but still find she won't settle til about 8pm, or later if she's on one her weird nights.
Really hope you are nearly out of the woods with this Mattsmummy. xxx
Poor Sofia isn't very well today. Running a temp and very quiet. She perks up after some ibuprofen kicks in, and has managed to eat, but is really not herself. Looks like the usual teething signs to me, just not 100% sure as I can't feel anything at the back where her 2yr molars would be... Her canines are through at the bottom and pushing through at the top... Think we're in for a rough night tonight. :(
Rach. x
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Oh, poor S! {{{hugs}}} to both of you! Hope you had a good night!
So, it looks like V was just waiting for me to complain and post - since I posted about his NWs, things started getting better and for the past 3 days, he's been STTN again! ;D So now I'm totally confused - it might be it wasn't regression at all, but teething ??? He cut an upper canine, so that might have done the whole NW thing... :-\
Anyway, I hope I haven't just jinxed it and we conitnue having good nights! ;D
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good news Tecike :)
We are having such a rough time, I have no idea what to do with her. Last night was better in that she woke twice but one time she sorted herself out and another time DH was not up for long but she only did 11 hours and was tired today - then we got crying at nap time. I just have no clue anymore. I can't help but think it is canine behaviour but they are not there!!
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Somebody somewhere once said that canines hurt long before they actually appear... so it might as well be that! I feel so sorry for you... {{{hugs}}} and hope it passes soon! :-*
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Just catching up here. Lots of (((hugs))), Becky, it's so frustrating when you feel like you just can't figure it out. :(
Mattsmummy, I agree with setting the BT (early) and then working from there.
Rach - Hope S has perked up for you... it's so hard to see them not themselves. :(
Tecike - Glad you're getting solid nights again! :)
I think we're through the worst of it and back to relative normalcy. Now to wait for the last molars....
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Hi,
Yep Sofia has perked up and *whispers* I think we are fully through the sleep regression. BT has returned to normal, much less messing around, some chatting but no calling out for us that turns into a melt down so that's fine. No NWs for a good couple of weeks now and no EWs. :)
How is everyone doing? It's been quiet on here...
Rach. x
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Great news rach! Fingers crossed for you. We're just recovering from vacation time change. Sigh
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Glad you're back on track, Rach! :)
1+1- Hope you enjoyed your vacation! :) We have one coming next month with a 2hr time change and we're starting to push them a bit now.
We've got another winter bug brewing, so two nights ago G did 13hr after a 2.5hr nap, but then last night he was up almost every hr and ended up in bed with us at 5am. We need some spring around here!!! :P
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Just going to pop in here really quick and ask....how long does the 18 month regression typically last?
I'm almost positive that what's going on here. DS literally just turned 18 months and 5 days ago started screaming at nap time. Thought teeth at first and medicated....but tried without meds today and after the screaming at first went to sleep. He NEVER goes to sleep on his own without meds if his teeth are hurting....so I know that he's not in pain now.
He's giving me resistance before we even head upstairs....as soon as it's 5 min before he starts protesting. It's been worse on the days when he is more OT.
My other question is....how are you typically supposed to treat it...like you would if you were sleep training?
Thanks ladies!
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Katie - good luck with your vacation. I didn't try anything before and I probably should have. Seriously 3:30 AM every morning. Sigh. Oh well it was worth it!
Kim - I think it all depends. Ours last about two weeks before it was under control. Hope it's short for you! It's more the blindsiding of good sleep gone bad that got me. You know things are going along well and then bang. Yup another sleep regression.
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Kim, I think it can last anywhere from about 2-6 weeks. I've even heard people talk about how things didn't really get back to normal til 20mo. :-\ I don't know that there's anything you can do to 'treat' it, because it's not really anything you're doing, iyswim, it just happens. I'd stay consistent in your methods of wind down and put down and maybe add in some time to talk through the day, help him work through what's going on developmentally, etc.
Seriously 3:30 AM every morning.
Yikes, 1+1! That's early!!! :o Glad you still thought it was worth it. :)
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Katie, have a nice vacation! FX it doesn't disturb LOs much!
1+1, that's way too early! Hope you get it fixed soon! :)
Rach, hope you're through it! :)
Kim, it was about 2-3 weeks for us, and here it only manifested as more NWs... we didn't have BT or nap battles, no screaming and such, thankfully!
So, as I said earlier I think we're done with this regression... His nights are still good, with an odd NW sometimes due to teething, but nothing major. I think we're lucky! ;D
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Yes once we got back to our time zone he was waking up at 6:30 again (which was 3:30 vacation time zone). I never set my alarm clock bc he's my alarm clock! He did at least take 3 hr naps while on vacation so we could nap as well. Plus we took turns getting up.
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Hey look its my old friends.... apparently I have come to the right place.... I think the 18month sleep regression has hit us here. :o PLEASE HELP! Im at my wits end with the refusals and EWs.
We are on about days 3 of nap and BT refusal.... consisting of mostly screeching/screaming and getting in and out of bed. BT is much the same. We have been doing some GW by standing at the door until he is at least calm, then slowly closing the door until its about 2-3inches ajar and we have to leave the light on in the hallway. I have gone down almost an hour after BT and he is still lying awake in bed.
Naps are hit and miss... if he falls asleep in the car naps are no problem. But if he needs to fall asleep in his bed its a battle. More screeching/screaming and in and out of bed. Again doing some more GW until he is calm and he usually takes about 30min to fall asleep. I have always had to cap his naps at 2 hours, so I wonder if I am in an UT/OT loop as well.
We have a gro-clock but I dont think he understands the concept of staying in bed until the sun rises, I have adjusted the WU time a few times, from 730-715-700 but he still sometimes wakes at 5, 630 and so on. Other days he sleeps till nearly 8.
I dont believe teething is to blame. I have tried giving meds, but it doesnt really seem to help IMO. Im not sure if its developmental, he is babbling loads in the last 3 or 4 weeks but still not saying anymore words than he did before.
Im game for any suggestions at this point. Our Routine is below, and it has been the same for months. He is eating well. I personally lik our routine asx it matches DDs routine. Im not sure about a later BT as I Like my evenings, and I wouldnt know what to do about a shorter night, would rather less daytime sleep than less nighttime sleep.
MM
730am WU, 8am breakfast, 930/10 snack, 1200 lunch, 1pm NAP, 3pm WU, 330 snack, 530 supper, 7pm bath, 730 BT.
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what I would say from your routine MM is that his day is really short for his age. Most lo's are doing more like a 13 hour day with a 2 hour nap, bit less if a shorter nap. If it were me and I was getting nap and BT refusals I would push the nap to more like 6 hours after w/up and then BT 5 hours after the nap. You could wake him at 7am if you want to keep BT at 7.30pm and do
A - 7am
Nap - 1pm - 3pm
BT - 8pm (but you could try 7.30pm and see as with longer am A he may be more tired)
The other option is to cap the nap to 1.5 if you really want to keep a 7.30pm BT but you run the risk of OT with some lo's. Even if you do go to an 8pm BT I doubt it would be for long as he will naturally need to nap cap soon enough.
Just my opinion. It could of course be just the 18 month regression and if so then things should go back to normal without much intervention but from your routine I would guess he is UT.
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MM is he in a big boy bed already? That's really early... likewise don't know that I'd expect an 18 month old to be able to respond to a Groclock yet. Not that he won't get the concept, just that he may not have the impulse control to NOT get up if he wakes up and sees the moon, kwim? I know some have reported success with younger ones but most times it seems to work from around 22-23 months on.
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Hi MM! Have things settle a bit? My DS is still in a crib and a sleep sac and I plan on keeping him that way as long as possible. Also I think it's much to young to expect him to use a gro-clock. I'm not sure what age they would be understanding that concept... maybe 3? I agree w/ Becky a later BT might help. My DS's BT has slowly pushed back a bit. His routine is 6AM WU, Nap 12-2 (daycare schedule) and BT around 7:00. Usually start the BT routine bath etc... around 6:00. Good luck!
Hope everyone else is getting lots of sleep :) Don't want to jinx things but DS is doing decently. I'd just like his words to increase so that his screaming and pointing at things decrease. Ha ha. He has quite a few words, but obviously is frustrated with his lack of communication.
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Things are not really going better here. Still getting refusals for naps and BT and lots of getting out of bed. I'm incredibly frustrated. Its been a busy week with lots of odd hours and car naps. I start back to work tonight and its going to be very stressfull for the next several months as childcare is just a big mess and MIL is watching kids sometime sndf she 'babies' my kids too much so I'm sure by May I will want to jump off a cliff.
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oneplusone - the recommendations for the Gro-clock are 2 years and above but we had success from 22 months with DS. I am waiting until more like 2 with DD though. Glad things are better...
MM - Did you try pushing the day out a bit?
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MM would you consider putting him back in a crib?
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2 seems pretty young to grasp that concept. I didn't think it would be so young. I'm glad it worked well for you.
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FWIW, we had really good success with the gro-clock at 2 as well. It took her until about 2.5 to actually start rolling over and sleeping til wake-up, but before that she would at least stay in her crib without us until wake-up. It wasn't until her molars were done that she started 'sleeping in' (7am, LOL).
(((Hugs))) MM, I was wondering if you'd be willing to go back to the crib too. I can't imagine G in a BBB right now, but I do know some people manage to pull it off at 18mo. I'd just rather limit the possibilities for sleep disruption as much as possible. Good luck for being back at work!
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He has been in a BBB since 16months. And I will not go back to a crib as I just don't see the point. He's only been getting out for about 2 weeks. He knows he needs to stay in bed as he runs back and gets un when he hears my slippers on the floor.
I think it may be some SA going on as DH is back in school and gone for days on end. On day when DH has been home to play with him for a bit there are far less battles.
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Fair enough, I just feel it may be exacerbating the problems you're having right now.
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MM - hey there! Sorry things are tough with the BT / Nap refusal. Hoping it's just a phase for you and things get back on track again.
I was wondering about routine at this age and the day time / night time sleep thing - so the last few posts have answered that before I needed to ask! We're pretty much on the routine Becky suggested for Eddie, WU 7am, Nap 1-3pm or thereabouts, BT 8pm.
The BT is a bit late for my liking, it means DH and I aren't able to cook and settle down for the evening til really late on the days I'm at work. I might think about cutting her nap back a bit after our holiday in a few months time - or I guess it might reduce naturally anyway in that period.
We've had a few odd NWs but accompanied by even more teething symptoms and now she has caught a cold (first one for ages so can't complain really.) So am expecting more disturbed sleep while she gets through that... Honestly, we barely had any NWs from Max after he started sleeping through (other than when he was really unwell.) We had no idea how lucky we were!! Lol.
How is everyone else doing??
1+1 hope you're through the time change transition. Where did you travel to?
Rach. x
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MM- hope it's better now. Can't imagine 2 under 2!
Rach - yup were over the time change. We went to Hawaii. It was beautiful!
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Ah fabulous!! That must have been amazing, and well worth the transition back again.
Sleep has gone a bit wonky again. She's still messing around now at 9pm. And we had a horrible NW last night. Sofia was yelling out for us, but then has taken to throwing herself around her cot in a real temper and keeps whacking her head. Took about 30 mins to resettle her. Pretty sure it's teeth, as it seems to come in phases rather than be continuous. Either way, I'd be happy if these 4 molars just appear ASAP as I really don't want a repeat of last year when she cut 4 premolars on holiday.
R. x
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goodness me we are in a mess. How long is this regression supposed to last? I think it must be teeth here too but uggh....not fun :(
I don't think it is routine in our case.
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I think the regression can last a good couple of months...
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ok, maybe it is just that then. On the up side I managed to settle her last night :)
She has only been settling for DH recently and just gets beside herself if I am in the room.
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Agh, (((hugs))) ladies. I've heard it can last awhile too. We're struggling a bit as well, but just kind of managing.
I'm also thinking 2yr molars are on the move. He seems to get OT a bit easier in the last couple weeks, is shoving his hand way back there often during the day, and has got the drool going on again.
We leave on Sat for a week with a 2hr time change and I'm a bit nervous. Hopefully, we'll get enough sleep to enjoy ourselves.
1+1, wow Hawaii, totally worth the 3:30am wake-ups, huh?!? I so want to go someday (soon!). :D
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Katie - we took turns getting up. Yup so worth it and kid friendly :)
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Rach- I feel the same about a late BT..... I love my evenings with DH. So I have shortened Eddies nap by about 15min, and I make sure we do something to burn off alot of energy in the afternoon. It seems to have helped. Im still waiting on 4 canines and 2 front teeth... good luck with 2yr molars!
ugh 330am wake ups.... I think Hawaii will be a trip sans LOs. Glad it went well for yout 1+1
WE seem to be doing ok here... Eddie is still sort of refusing nap/BT... but if we stand outside the door with it adjar just and 1/2" when he looks like he will get out of bed we just "shush" from outside the room. We do this until he is calm and in bed. it has been working for the past 4-5 days. So we will just stick with it. I have also cut back his nap by 15min. Our routine is this now:
7am WU, 1pm-245pm Nap, 730pm BT. Hes not always asleep right away can chat to himself once calm for upto 30min.
Gotta run time to wake him up.
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OMG I need to just sit and rest....she is 21 months now so can't be the 18 month regression but hey, cant face another post.
For the last 4 weeks we have had NWings pretty much ever night. Only 1 NWing but can last 30 mins to 1.5 hours, 2 hours on bad nights. It is breaking me. She has never been a NW'er so just stumped really.
She had a very bad cough and then cut a 2 year molar so we had the odd night where we needed to AP or give meds or whatever but it is now every night. The Dr last week said she had some congestion in her ear and to assume pain when she woke so we do give meds, not every night but when we think it is necessary. The rest of the time we go in, give her her lovey and then lie next to her bed as if we WO she goes nuts. She then does go back to sleep but if I am in there it seems to take longer. This am she was awake for about an hour and then started really crying again so I just lay her with me...we have to get some sleep!
Absolutely do not know what to do.....
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Oh (((hugs))), Becky, you must be so tired. That sounds much like my experience with Claire and 2yr molars. I bet I was in her room at least 4 or 5 nights a week through that whole process. And poor Martha has had the cough and now plugged ears too. :( I hope those darn teeth come through quick for you. It doesn't sound like there's much else you can do.
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thanks katie, the hugs are appreciated :)
Last night she slept through but only 10.45 and only had a 1.10 nap so she is getting only fractionally more than my 4.5 year old. Big sigh.
I do think teeth are a big issue but she was pretty good with her first molars. I guess she could be teething a few as that is her pattern. I feel like we will never sort her out atm :(
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oh...and it really helps to know claire did this too - just to know that it could be down to teeth helps. If there is a reason I can cope better..
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Ugg I wrote out a long detailed account of whats been going on with Alyssa (almost 17 months) but of course it got deleated. So to rewrite but quick is : last 6/8 night taking 1-3 hrs to fall asleep, naps are 1.5hrs max. Waking up at 5-6am. give meds 30 mins before bed. I need help!!
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Hugs Lily. Our little monsters are the exact same age. I was just thinking to myself last night (at 1am), surely this can't be the 18 month sleep regression already?!
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refusing to nap now, had pain meds, full, already pooped, in bed on time and NADA, GRRRRRRR
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Hello! I've come to join in on the fun! Anyone else experience the 18 month regression starting early? I think it started for us at 16.5 months. DS2 just turned 17 months and it's gotten worse. Now we have total nap refusal.
It first started with WD at BT taking longer. He used to be so easy to put to sleep. Now at Bt he sometimes wants to leave his room, so we have to go downstairs for a bit and then come back up. Now he's refusing his nap also. MIL is watching him so I told her to drive around and try and AP a nap. They've been gone over an hour...I'm scared that means he's still not asleep!
What do you do when they totally refuse the nap? This happend the other day and I tried to put him down again later but he still refused. Then I tried early BT, he was asleep at 4:20 pm but only slept 40 min and was up again at 5pm. OT for sure. Would not go back down until 7pm. Was he just treating that as a late nap? Night was ok though we made it to 6 am the next day.
I am so scared of nap time now. If we're 2 weeks into this...it can't be much longer right...????!!!
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(((Hugs))) BJ! I hope it doesn't last too long for you. My DS has never refused a nap, but when my DD did, I always took her out for a drive. If he's fighting both nap and BT, do you think his routine needs a tweak at all?
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Hi all,
Hope everyone that was suffering along with us is through the worst of it now!!
BJ - hopefully it will be short lived, but I found there were so many factors going on (teeth, developmental etc) that it took a wee while longer than 2 weeks to settle back down. Hang in there on the naps, ours went a bit screwy for a while - either diffculty settling or short naps, but I'm happy to say she is back to normal and sleeping 2hrs or more if I let her in the day...
We're now just back to dealing with the normal battles of teeth / colds etc... :) Odd wake up here and there but nothing major (I say clearly daring something to happen tonight when i am due to be on a train at ridiculous o'clock in the morning for a client meeting.)
Rach. x
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Hey Rach... look at sweet Sophia, she's so grown up! :)
We're struggling with consistency here. Naps range from 1hr10min-2hr+. I don't know if it's teeth or because he was ill last weekend. I might have to post if things don't settle down a bit, because I think I'm having a hard time seeing what's going on. :-\
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Things are a bit up and down here. I do think some of it is developmental and he has one molar that is only half out, but teething has never caused him trouble with falling asleep before. I've been wondering if it's routine, but his A times are already long. We're doing set nap at 12:00/12:30 and BT is 7:00/7:30. Wake ups have varied a lot - anywhere from 5:15 - 6:30 am. On the days he's refused a nap he should have been tired enough for one and when he's OT, he has no problem falling asleep, but will short nap. Sometimes it seems like he is tired, but he just doesn't want to shut down, and miss out.
The problem with car naps is that I can't transfer him to the crib. He'll wake up as soon as you put him in and it's game over. So if he falls asleep in the car, you have to sit in the car while he sleeps. And car naps are only 1 hour 5/10 min but it's better than no nap at all!
I had read that the regression lasted a few weeks for some, but months for others! I really hope it doesn't last that long.
DS2 started dropping to 1 nap just before 10 months. I wonder if there's any correlation with dropping the nap early and starting the regression early? And does this mean he may start the 1-0 early? GULP, he may lose the nap before his older brother, LOL. Just thinking out loud...The analytical side of me wants to know if X happens, will Y happen?
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I'm just going to jump in here as I have limited time before my toddler inevitably wakes up from his nap waaaaaay too early. We are in the throes of this regression, and if his previous regressions are any indication of how long this one will last, we are in for a long journey! Not only is LO not napping past 45 minutes most days (unless I nurse him back down), but he's waking up around 5 in the morning, give or take. This makes for a very tired boy. Not to mention he's cutting his canines and fighting ANOTHER cold. I'm not sure if I'm looking for suggestions or just venting at this point. I sometimes just feel like it's a phase we'll have to muddle through...
*sigh*
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The analytical side of me wants to know if X happens, will Y happen?
Oh, if only babies were as logical as we are! ;) Looks like your routine is pretty appropriate, BJ, you might just have to ride it out. Molars are tough teeth... have you tried meds before nap and/or BT?
(((Hugs))) lady, canines can be really bad too. Hope the regression is not as long as you think. I'm totally jealous of your avatar... look at those lovely flowers!!! :) We're still stuck under 2ft of snow in ND. ::)
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hi there! Joining in here, dd is 17 mths and am wondering if we're in the regression or if it's just general ot or teeth? We have shorter naps atm, from 20min (at daycare) -1.5h (at home) and it's been nearly 3 weeks since a 2hr nap. Nights are usually 10.5hrsish or shorter. Sleep in 24 hasn't even been 12hrs most days for a while. For last 2 nights had nw at 4am, 3:20am where i had to apop bf to settle. Bt is about 6pm. Taking average 30min to fall asleep at bt. Wu is 5am-ish regardless of bt, and has been since january when dd stopped nw, but sttn. So if bt is 7pm dd doesn't get enough ns and still has ew anyway. We have set nap 11:30am.
So just wondering if this is regression time or if that's still to come?
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Regression can start at 17 months for sure, but I don't think it's possible to 'pick apart' what is regression, what is teething, etc. It all sort of feeds in together to make one big mess :P ;)
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thanks Anna, that is a good description, a big mess! Oh well. I will ride it out and hopefully it won't take TOO long to be ok again.
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Hi all, how reassuring to know so many others going thru such similar times too. Sorry its so difficult fir you all however, but I'm right with yiu on the inconsistent naos, sleep fighting, ew's and ew's! The past 2 nights have been much improved... I'm.hooing we might be seeing the light at the end of this tunnel!
Any suggestions on ew at 4-5am? or is that a nw? Very.difficult to resettle at that time snd we often.get light dozing as opposed to decent sleep.at that poont.
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Any suggestions on ew at 4-5am? or is that a nw? Very.difficult to resettle at that time snd we often.get light dozing as opposed to decent sleep.at that poont.
Not really. :-\ That's such a hard time of night/morning to resettle. I typically treat it as I do any other NW, but often have to stay in the room longer. DS will often settle and sleep decent if we bring him into our bed, but DD was not like that at all, so I would end up lying on her floor for what seemed like forever sometimes. (((Hugs)))
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Thanks. It is a difficult time alright. There is a lot of "I'm ready to get up and out of here!" going on, even though he's clearly still tired!!
I've tried the set nap for a while now (12.30pm) - if we have a EW of around 5 and restless thereafter, should I try and bring it forward? r still with the 'predictable?' I just thought that makes the morning very long, although on the occasions I have tried to bring nap-time or bed-time earlier, it's been met with firm resisitance?
Will this just pass, one day, or is it something I am suposed to try to 'fix'?
Thanks for the help and the hugs... I needed those! :-)
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Hi everyone, E is 18 months today but sleep has been wonky for a few weeks because of illness, teething etc. now I jut can't work out what the issue is but we are getting shorter naps, screaming at BT, lots of NWs - some she will self settle but others she really needs help, and also EWs. All in all, one tired DD and one tired me :(
Sorry you guys are having a tough time too but I'm glad to see I'm not alone. Hugs all x
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i had a 4AM ew today. Yawn!!!!!!
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I've tried the set nap for a while now (12.30pm) - if we have a EW of around 5 and restless thereafter, should I try and bring it forward? r still with the 'predictable?' I just thought that makes the morning very long, although on the occasions I have tried to bring nap-time or bed-time earlier, it's been met with firm resisitance?
If bringing the nap forward is met with resistance, then it's probably just best to keep it where it is. Both of mine have tended to go for the earlier nap and either made up for it with a longer nap or EBT, which tends to get a longer night here. But, it doesn't work for all LOs, so you might just have to muddle through.
Will this just pass, one day, or is it something I am suposed to try to 'fix'?
Typically, if it's the 18mo regression, I don't think you can really fix it. It will pass, but is tough in the meantime.
(((Hugs))), ladies! NWs are hard enough, but EWs on top of them are truly brutal. Hope it passes quick for you all! :-*
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Urgh we're on day five of long NWs at about 2/3am following lots of little whinges between BT & us going to bed at about 11. We've given up and brought her to our bed a couple of times as I have to get up at 5.30 for work and we're all just desperate for sleep. :(
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hugs naomi. It's hard with the nw. We're getting them too, and i have resorted to nf to settle, even though i'm trying to wean bf. DD had sttn for 3 mths, albeit with an ew for all that time, but at least i didn't have to get out of bed in that time. Feel for your 5:30am starts. I set my alarm for 6am, though normally don't need it. Up at 5 usually. On the up side, DD has had 3 2hr naps this past week, and it had been a month without any naps over 1.5hr so that is nice. Mind you, it's been when i'm at work. She saves her special 40min naps for mummy on the weekend!! Yay for me!
Hugs everyone xx
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Urgh..... Nap refusal today, and DH on bedtime duty tonight. Help.....!!!
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(((Hugs))), can you AP any type of sleep so that BT isn't crazy OT?
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I'm back- so I think we have come out the other end of the regression (knock on wood). Illness is gone, two top canines have cut (bottoms look like a few more weeks away)...naps have been super long these past few days (2.5 hours, even 3.5 one day!). Growth spurt maybe? EW's are on and off, but that's just something I deal with now, and can sometimes get him back down after laying on the floor with him for a while. All in all we are doing much better than we had been over the past month or more. *PHEW*
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. Mind you, it's been when i'm at work. She saves her special 40min naps for mummy on the weekend!! Yay for me!
Hugs everyone xx
Isn't that always the way - E always has her best night's sleep when she stays over with my mum & dad! Well we had a reasonably undisturbed night last night but she didn't go to sleep until nearly 8.30 over an hour after DH attempted BT. She was screaming on and on about the door being closed - could she suddenly have become scared of the dark?
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Last 4 days we've had 2 total nap refusals, one 1hr nap and a 2.5hr nap. BT is really awful too, fought like nothing on earth (obviously OT). I've tried AP some sort of sleep on the total refusal days, still no go. I was going to go for a car trip but it was pouring down rain and not worth risking our safety for. This is the toughest phase yet in terms of protesting/refusing sleep. I guess I can only wait it out, is that right?
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Hey rachsk, it's tough right! We had nap refusal yesterday due to E finally learning to roll over and stand up in her cot. Fun night too. I don't think there's much we can do but be consistent with our usual approaches...I think... (((Hugs)))
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How bad/hard can this get? No nap, EW and fighting BT (obviously very OT). How do I survive this? How long does it last? Any tips gratefully received!! This is so hard.
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i want to know too!!! 4:40am wu today for us!
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(((Hugs))) ladies! Any way you can AP some sleep at some point? My DS has always gone down really easy, but my DD was a big time nap refuser. When it got really bad, I'd just not even try and take her for a drive later in the afternoon, like from 2-3pm and then do a 6:30pm BT (that would have been after a 6/6:30 wake). The late nap was enough to take the edge off OT and it wasn't long enough to make her fight BT. She'd often do 12hr after that and get back on track a little.
It may not help you at all and it may not be feasible for you either, but just wanted to throw it out there. It helped us a lot, and I was guaranteed an hour of quiet in my car. :P ;)
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Help ladies! My DD just refused BT for two hrs!!! She is really quite good about napping and bt. Lays down with no fuss as long as she's tired. I always have to wake her at nap or she'll nap for 3 hrs, then do shorter night and be grouchy in AM. So I usually wake her after a 2 hr nap. We've been off schedule this week due to a 2 hr long night wake, then a short 40 min nap yesterday, and a bit of bt refusal. Also had a monster 40 tantrum yesterday.
Ugh- she is crying again! She is spirited and is crazy intense angry when she cries. I often have to walk away when she gets like this because her crying gets me agitated.
Ok, stopped again. Fingers crossed she goes to sleep.
Our day-
BT last night 8:30
EW at 6:30, back to sleep for 40 min
Nap 12:30-2:30
Bed at 7:30. We've been in there for two hrs, with me leaving here and there, she gets hysterical
I can obviously trim her nap. Should I just start cutting it back by 15 min increments? I've always been terrible about doing this kind of stuff gradually.
She likes to nap early. Pushing her nap out has led to nap refusal. She is usually tired between 12:30-1:00. She likes a long A before BT.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I sure hope she doesn't pull another 2 hr party in the middle of the night tonight! :(
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Well despite a crazy OT BT and a real job settling, the night wasn't too bad. EW 4.25am but managed to resettle (took a while but thankfully we got there...) Up at 7.25am which is the best we've had in a while. Another nap refusal today despite driving home, the long way, for 1.5hrs he didn't sleep just cried/grizzled. I'm at a loss! BT and nap time has generally been a bit of a struggle but lately it's beyond that, I'm dreading it quite frankly. What does it mean if your LO doesn't sleep in the car either? Actually he closes his eyes for about 3 mins I thought he'd finally gone down then awake again.
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Hi Amy! :-*
Pushing her nap out has led to nap refusal. She is usually tired between 12:30-1:00. She likes a long A before BT.
I think if this is the case, cutting the nap by 15min might be the way to go, as her A to bed isnt' all that long at 5hr right now. That being said, if it's teething or developmental, you might need to just ride it out rather than trying to make changes.
What does it mean if your LO doesn't sleep in the car either?
I don't know... :-\ Both mine have been car sleepers when needed. (((Hugs)))
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Urgh, no nap yesterday followed by trouble at BT - she eventually slept after an hour of crying and us soothing with words from the door. Slightly better today but I think only because she's so tired from yesterday.
I'm sorry to hear you are all struggling too, but at the same time nice to know we're not alone.
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It turns out we're also dealing with an ear infection. :-( Pain relief made BT much less if a struggle thankfully and LO is taking a much needed sleep now - pray its a decent one as he is so overtired from a huge week! I feel for you others going through this too, it can be very hard!!!
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^ oh no, hope the abx kick in soon and his ears get better quickly.
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It turns out we're also dealing with an ear infection. :-(
(((Hugs))), hope he feels better soon!
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We're really struggling with NWs at the moment. E has finally (very late) learned to roll over in her sleep from back to tummy & then sits/stands up and cries. She's doing it as she transitions between sleep cycles I think and sits as soon as she stirs, then doesn't know how to get back down & cries. When we go to her she's very confused and goes straight to sleep as she finds her dummy and we help her lie down again. How can I teach her to lie down on her own in the day to help her get over this extra needy phase? She's waking so much when she never has previously and with canines/molars on their way and this regression we're all so tired :(
Any ideas ladies?
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(((Hugs))), Naomi, those developmental milestones can be tough. :( I don't know that you really need to teach her during the day, although playing some silly games probably wouldn't hurt. What I'd do is just not physically lay her down when you go to her at night. Use your voice, pat the mattress, and have her lie down herself. It may take a little while the first couple nights if she's frustrated you're not doing it for her, but I'd think she'd learn pretty quick. I did this with G around 11/12mo when I realized that my putting him down had become a prop. Sometimes he flopped over and it looked really uncomfortable, but he eventually managed to get himself comfy (although sometimes fell asleep in the really uncomfy-looking position) and he stopped waking after a couple nights.
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Thanks Katie - I had thought of doing that but haven't actually tried it. I think I will now - things can only get better I hope as she's waking really regularly at the moment. I think if we can sort this bit some of the other sleep problems will also get better.
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:-* FX for you!
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Hi ladies! I've trimmed DD's nap back to 1.5 hrs from 12:30-2. But she resisted BT again tonight and didn't go down until 9. She did sleep in a bit until 8:00 this morning. Do you all recommend waking in the morning to create a more set routine? I've always just adjusted the rest of the day from the wake up time. Thoughts?
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Do you all recommend waking in the morning to create a more set routine? I've always just adjusted the rest of the day from the wake up time. Thoughts?
The only time I wake in the morning is when the nap has to happen at a certain time, i.e. it must be between 12-2pm on the days that Claire has school (it's usually 12:30-2). Otherwise, I do the same and adjust the day, cutting nap if need be to preserve BT.
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Well E stayed overnight with my mum & dad last night and pulled two 2-hour + naps and an 11hr night with a few murmurs but no NWs! How does this happen??!! I've been wracking my brain as to what's different there - apart from no me and DH (I really hope it's not that) or is she just being a pickle and playing us when she's at home. Gah!
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Hi Ladies -
Just wanted to say hi and jump aboard - DS will be 20 mos next week and I thought we had dodged this bullet but his sleep went to pot last week - trouble settling at BT and NWs - and short nights as a result. I've read over the last few pages of the thread and I recognize some familiar faces from the 2:1 transition support thread so hello again to all of you! :)
FX we get through this quickly! Does anyone know if there are any other sleep regressions after this one??? (please please say no!!! :) )
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Hi ladies. Aud is 18.5 months, goes to sleep no prob, no nap resistance (so far), just waking earlier and earlier. 5.30 today. Not ideal as she shares a room with her brother and he doesn't deserve to be woken up at this time so I'm sitting in a dark room with my phone, trying to keep her quiet until the Groclock changes. Bah. NWs I can handle, but don't make me start the day in the 5 hour.
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I'm with you Anna. Anything before 6 am is too early for me! (Why 5:55 seems SO much earlier than 6:05 I don't know!) So are you doing EBTs to keep OT away, or does that just move the day earlier and encourage the EWs? I'm not sure if we should be messing w/ DS's routine to try to make up for the lost sleep, or if it is better to stick to the usual times during the regression . . .
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Hi Anna! Good to see you again- but so sorry for the EW's!!
Are you going to try to trim her nap a bit? E was doing a few EW, but not as early as 5. Yikes!!
I'm trying to gradually wake the kids earlier and I've adjusted her nap to 1hr 30 min. Nights have improved. I just need to get bt back to around 8:00 instead of 8:45.
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Post ear infection, much happier boy, thank heavens, I *think* maybe we are also past the worst of this regression... ( I hope I don't jinx it!!!) Still NW but not hysterical and screaming/fighting me during them. My LO is also a new stander-upper and I keep lying him down so not entirely sure he can do it himself? A question re naps tho (perhaps I should post in another thread?) If LO takes Ages to fall asleep at nap time and is not seeming tired before nap time do you think I should try a longer A time in the morning? Yesterday he slept for 3hrs (!!!!) but woke up quite grumpy. Not sure what that means or if it contributed to last nights NW's?
Hang in there ladies we will all get there!
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Well more strangeness here - e short napped yesterday as we were out and she managed 45 mins ish in her buggy, so I was prepared for her to be tired. But, she fell asleep into her bedtime story. He slept heavily for the first time of the night but was very restless from 2am onwards. She woke at 8.20 but was obviously very tired. By 10.30 she was crying and asking to go to bed, so we let her and had to get her up 3 hrs later. Again, she was unsettled in sleep and didn't seem rested when we got her up. She didn't seem well but calpol helped. Can teething make this much impact on sleep? Craziness.
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Can teething make this much impact on sleep?
It can IME....what teeth is she working on?
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Well no need to worry about teeth, she started having uncontrollable shivering episodes and excessive yawning yesterday so ended up at the out of hours docs with a bad ear infection. On antibiotics now, but this does go some way to explaining some strangeness of that last week. Permanently on calpol now while her fever is still so high, hopefully it'll pass soon. Hugs everyone else x
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awww (((hugs))) for little E, hope she is much better soon. Was going to say sounds like she's coming down with something.
We're just plodding along. Not so bad apart from the challenges of two kids in one room. We were out at friends' today and A had a very late, very short nap (although I was actually amazed she fell asleep at all). Then she got a HUGE second wind at bedtime and was giddy, whooping, giggling, larking about in her cot at bedtime instead of going to sleep. So 'early' bed actually became a late bed (in cot for 6.20, asleep 7.20). Hey ho. Better get to bed myself because no doubt tomorrow will be an early one.
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Thanks Anna, it's always so obvious with hindsight isn't it. Such weirdness with E is usually illness.
I hope you get more sleep than you're anticipating x
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Oh my gosh. I have no idea what has happened but I feel like ive been hit by a truck. My daughter has sttn since 7ish months. She's now 17 months and I have no idea what's going on.
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(((Hugs))) lilasmum, think we're here too. Nights still intact but getting lots of BT silliness and some nap time resistance too. She's normally out straight away when I put her down, but now she's rolling around chatting for 15 mins or more at nap time and up to an hour at bedtime. I've pushed nap and BT a bit later with no real change. Her language is exploding though - trying to copy everything, has a good 30 plus words now plus lots of new signs. Canines all through so at least they aren't the culprit now! How are things for you?
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Hi and(((hugs))) ladies. I'm not sure we're not passed the 18 month regression now withE as she is cutting canines :( but sleep still a very rare treat here. Sad to hear you're with me but still nice to have friendly company xxx
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(((hugs))) (((hugs))) (((hugs))) for everyone still going through this. We've come out the other side, but canines are next on the horizon and no doubt will be showing their sharp, pointy, cry-making little faces soon.
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Oh Anna they sound almost cute ;)
I've seen one and it is extremely pointy - I didn't even want to risk putting my finger anywhere near. If you're out the other side I really hope we are too and it's just (JUST) the teeth now.
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(((Hugs))) lilasmum, think we're here too. Nights still intact but getting lots of BT silliness and some nap time resistance too. She's normally out straight away when I put her down, but now she's rolling around chatting for 15 mins or more at nap time and up to an hour at bedtime. I've pushed nap and BT a bit later with no real change. Her language is exploding though - trying to copy everything, has a good 30 plus words now plus lots of new signs. Canines all through so at least they aren't the culprit now! How are things for you?
I thought they were getting better but maybe not! She has been taking awhile to goto sleep at night (up to 45 mins) and now wakes up every single morning between 5.30-6.30 SCREAMING. She will cry on and off until someone gets her up. She also wakes up crying from her naps, but thankfully she goes down for them fine still. I have no idea if this is actually a sleep regression but I have no idea what else to put it down to? She has never ever woken crying in the past.
When I wrote my previous post, we had just had a terrible night where she woke crying at 3.30 and finally went back to sleep at 5. I had to get up at 6 for work. I am 99% sure though that was down to sickness as she had a reaction to penicillin. She has been STTN since that (knock on wood). Her crying upon waking lasted a week or ten days and then miraculously stopped. She started going to sleep within 5-10 mins at night and went back to waking at 7am. And that lasted about 4 days and regressed again.
She has all of her teeth (apart from her 2 year molars) and is showing no signs of teething, so I don’t think it’s that. How long does this regression usually last?
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Honestly I don't think there is a 'usually'. Maybe a month or two?
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Good nap today.....so inevitably messing around like crazy at BT ::) no way to win!
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We were out this evening so we let E have a long nap until 4.20, we bathed and changed her into pjs while we were out & thought she'd sleep on the way home, but she's still awake now in her cot at 9.45pm! Not too bad an A time but v late for her, normal BT is about 7.30ish. Fingers crossed its not a hideous night.
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Hope the night was ok Naomi!
Night was good in the end here, 7.30pm - 6.50am. We were out this morning, thing DH wanted to do (and subsequently faffed about doing for forever.......another topic perhaps ::) ) anyway we ended up 15 mins late home for nap time. 25 mins later and she's still rolling around her cot playing and chatting, or throwing her lovey out and crying for it. It's getting very silly.....
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She eventually went to sleep and then dirtied her nappy around 10.30pm, so we changed her and she went straight off and slept until 8.30. So not a brilliantly long night but it could have been a lot worse. We've been at a birthday party and then BBQ today, so we've been totally off EASY again, but she loves being out so much it doesn't usually matter for the odd day. Thank goodness she'll be back on normal week time routine tomorrow :)
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So I think I need to camp out here for a bit. I have no idea what is going on with him at the mo so I am blaming the regression. Short naps, nap resistance, bedtime silliness, night wakings ... You name it we have it. No pattern, no rhyme or reason. I'm so exhausted. Nothing helps. Oh and the throwing the lovey out the cot then crying for it.... Geesh. Give me strength.
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Oh and the throwing the lovey out the cot then crying for it.... Geesh. Give me strength.
Isn't it delightful? We had that with Stan, Audrey hasn't figure it out... yet...
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I just had to share that we had a good night last night/this morning. She was asleep by 7pm, awake at 610am and almost straight back to sleep until I had to wake her at 6.40. Hooray! I am under no illusions that it will all be magically fixed now, but it's amazing what a difference once good night can make to your morale.
We are in week three of this 'regression' - please, please let it be over soon.
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Argh, anyone else feeling like whatever they do, it's wrong at the moment? Still getting major messing about at BT here and can't seem to hit the right spot. In fact the only days she seems to settle easily are after REALLY short naps at nursery. Is it possible to have a sudden drop in sleep needs? I'd say OT based on behaviour, but I guess it could be the old UT become OT loop again....
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Argh, anyone else feeling like whatever they do, it's wrong at the moment? Still getting major messing about at BT here and can't seem to hit the right spot. In fact the only days she seems to settle easily are after REALLY short naps at nursery. Is it possible to have a sudden drop in sleep needs? I'd say OT based on behaviour, but I guess it could be the old UT become OT loop again....
It's so easy to get confused between UT and OT I think. Everyone kept asking me why I didn't keep my daughter up later to make her sleep later etc. I know it doesn't work like that for us and what finally worked for me (for a week or so now, fingers crossed it keeps going) was to cap her day nap at 2 hours 15 min and to put her to bed half an hour earlier. By doing that, we are now getting 7pm - 630am nighttimes. It's definitely trial and error.
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I totally agree that trying to figure out OT vs UT is really hard at this age! (Well for me, at any age really! :) )
Just had to jump in and say that we get the same suggestion from EVERYONE - "try a later BT" - which for us just means a shorter night. I try to explain that I think our sleep issues are developmental and I just get doubtful looks - so I'm glad I'm not the only one! :)
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Ugh, so after a bad night and really fussy morning little man just asked me (well pulled me over to his cot and patted the mattress) to go back to bed at 9am!!! And has gone straight to sleep. He has never asked to go in his cot! 30min cap and then offer another one pm or let him sleep?! This regression is crazy.
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Ugh! What did you decide? Think at that time I'd have capped at 20 mins then pd for nap at normal time, something like that. But doubtless whatever I'd done would have been wrong!! Still battling on here, hols this week so expecting some crazy.....
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Eugh. So I capped at 30 mins and then put him down at half 1 and he is still sleeping (3:00) now I don't know whether to cap to preserve bedtime?! He had a awful OT night last night, lost count of the pre midnight wakings, so part of me wants to let him catch up. Think that's going to bite me on the backside though. Just can't win!
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I'd wake him at 2h and then do normal BT I think x
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So I capped at 2hrs and then bed at 7:30 (usually 7) because I was convinced we would have bedtime shennanigans otherwise and he went straight to sleep, haven't heard a peep from him since. He had a lot of catching up to do to be fair. Now just crossing my fingers that we don't have a long early hrs UT cot party! His sleep needs seem to be different everyday at the moment and I always seem to be one step behind, or more likely half a mile down the road stumbling along in a sleep deprived haze!
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LOL yes sounds familiar!!
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Hello
We had our first completely nap free day yesterday. I tried multiple times to put him down but he just wasn't having it.
So our day started at 8am and ended at 630pm after a long major meltdown at bedtime. Poor little guy. Hoping today is different. We'll be going for a drive if he's no asleep by 1230. Up at 6am today.
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Hi everyone. I'm new here, and not happy about it, as tha means we are having loads of issues. I started a thread about it but thought I would also post here to get more eyes on this. DS has just turned 17 months and and has for the past almost 2 weeks has been waking 1-3 times per night and we are unable to leave the room for naps or BT unless he is asleep. He's been STTN pretty much since about 10 weeks and we've always been able to just lay him down in his crib awake and he will snuggle his lovey and drift off on his own. We're in the midst of 2-1, teething (canines), and have just returned from a weeklong vacation. He now also wakes up upset, immediatley standing and tosses his lovey. Previously he would wake very happy and would stay in his crib until i got him up.Does this sound like regression or any/all of the above? And what do I do about it??
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(((Hugs))) hon, it does sound like a combination of all of the above to me. I'll let the main advice stay on your thread, but I'd say the best thing you can do is to be consistent. Some meds may help with the teething, also.
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Oh I've just read this thread (all through!) and its made me feel so much better that others have gone through this, and some have even come out the other end.
Its gone a bit quiet though so perhaps I'm the only one in the deep throws of 18 month regression (although its come early as we're only at 17 months). Anyone else want a bit of handholding?
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Don't worry that it's quiet - sometimes others are there in the wings waiting for someone else to step out first :)
We've come out the other side, but happy to stay here with you for a bit. How're things at the moment?
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Hi Naomi - thanks for responding and well done for being out the other side! How long did it take, and what form...?!
Things are pretty all over the shop. All started about 6 weeks ago (she is 18 mo in a few days) when she got bad chicken pox, we went on holiday and we finally (after several months of back and forth) committed to 1 nap only.
The last few weeks have been totally lacking in routine (however hard I try), EWUs, patchy naps and for several weeks taking over an hour to settle at bedtime, and now we've extended her last A, she's settling in 10 minutes but with lots of crying and protesting. Sigh. She's also quite SA (and she's always been clingy) and frankly in the day, she is just manic. Non stop whirlwind. And with 3.5 yo DS, who is a chronic 5.30/6am riser, I'm knackered... Does it sound 18 mo SR-y to you?
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Just joining in to support you too :) Sound like she could be a bit OT with all that's gone on, what routine are you aiming for?
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She's definitely OT, although she's good at hiding it!
Aiming for a kind of 5/5.25 - 5/5.5 kind of day but with early wakes and short naps the first WT is often a bit longer - I can't really bear to put her down much before 11! Much less than 5.5, even with a 1hr 20 nap, just ends up with a looong bedtime settle which pushes us way over the 5.5. Tonight, we had big screaming on PD - 5 hrs 20 after WU from 1 hr 30 nap, but it lasted 2 minutes. This is actually a huge improvement on 1 and a half hours of messing around and whinging which were pushing us towards 6 hrs from WU.
I did try to go back to 2 naps on v EW days but that was a disaster - with nap refusals all over the place. So I think I'm stuck with 1. I also tried much shorter WTs at the end of the day - i.e. 4 hr jobs - in case that helped with some of the OT, but just got 2 hours of messing around instead, with lots of crying towards the end!
She just seems utterly inconsistent at the moment. What works one day doesn't work the next. To some extent I know all kids are like that but right now, she takes all the biscuits!
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We had a lot of fussing at BT and nap refusals and I think a lot of it seemed like teething behavior. It took a couple of months or so to really get through it but we had some illness too which made things a bit worse. Having come out the other side, I feel like it was most as if she was really testing our boundaries so staying consistent really helped.
I coped in the brain by sticking to set times for nap and BT really. Sometimes she took a nap, sometimes she didnmt so well, but I felt like I knew what was going on and when and consistency came from me even if she was all over the place iyswim.
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Agree with Naomi, sticking to our set times helped here too, at least to give me a vague sense of control! The one thing we did change in the routine around this time was to nudge BT gradually 30 mins or so later. Sometimes she napped well and sometimes not, sometimes she settled at BT and sometimes not so well. Still happens now to an extent ::) but keep reminding yourself that it will pass.....eventually!
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I think some of our problem lies in the timings. Because we were going between 2 an 1 nap for a while and at the point of moving fully to one nap, all this crazy started, we've not had a set routine to fall back on so we've had to do a lot of trial and error to find something that works. And when it doesn't I never know if its regression or timing that's the problem!
We had an hour long NW last night from 3.45-4.45. But then I didn't hear from her again till 7 although I suspect she'd been up a bit before. With her early bed, I think she still managed around 11 hours ONS. I wonder if the nW was teeth as I think she's working on her incisors (not tht she lets me near her mouth!). Arghh. Wish they came with light up buttons to tell you what is wrong!
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Don't we all!
I'd be tempted to set nap and BT and push through, at least to give yourself some consistency. At this age set naps do tend to work a bit better and might help LO to settle into a one nap routine. What do you think?
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For what it's worth I agree with Katherine - set naps could well be worth a try!
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Definitely tempted, as its always hard to know what time she wakes up and she can often lie awake sucking her thumb for a good while. This morning for example, I'm not sure if she was up at 5.30 when I first heard her, or 6.30 when I next heard her!
My only worry would be because she takes really quite short naps - 1.10, or if I can resettle maybe 1.40, then we might stray into OT very quickly?
I guess I could do a 'not before' of say 11.30 and 6.15 (although aiming for more like 6.40 with a better nap) which frankly with our EWs would almost become set?? What do you think?
Our best success recently has been to extend her afternoon A to 5.5 or a bit less if she short naps. It has meant ALOT less messing at bedtime, although we are getting SCs but we were getting those anyway.
So very much appreciate your help here - really grateful especially since you're all out the other side of this ridiculousness.
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When we were first on one nap we did set nap 11.30 and set BT 6/6.30, but usually nearer to 6 because of short naps. She was OT for quite a while but slowly she seemed to catch up and get used to it. I never woke her in the morning unless it got to 8am, and never capped the nap unless it reached 3h. Tbh both were rare events but sometimes happened and shed still go down for nap and BT as usual at set times x
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We did the same really as Katherine and over time the nap moved later. The key to the set naps thing and the 18 month regression is to be consistent and you'll get through both. :)
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We're moving around a lot over the next month so I don't think I could be as consistent as I think set naps require to be really fair on DD. So I think I'll stick to WTs where I can for the next 3 weeks, and then if we are still in an all over the shop position, I will commit to set naps.
Out of interest - what counts as a good nap, and what a crap nap in your books? DD and DS have never been great nappers, so I don't really know how to judge. She had a 1 hr 45 minute nap yesterday (vg in my book) but had a harder bedtime and a more unsettled and shorter night than when she has been doing a little over an hour. So strange. So inconsistent.
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Oh good. A 45 minute nap. 6pm bedtime tonight.
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When e was smaller I used to count anything over 50 mins as good, she never napped well in the day but slept really well at night. Now she's well and truly fixed on one nap a day, she can nap for 2 hours and sometimes even 2.5hrs! I've never had to cap a nap until recently and never had to worry too much about OT as she coped really well, but now she's totally different.
I think every child is different and if yours is managing without being miserable during the day and is sleeping well at night then it's obviously working.
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Can I just pop on for some hugs please?! Have posted on toddler sleep for advice but man this sucks. Lots and lots and lots of sleep and energy vibes for others struggling. I am with you.
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((((Hugs)))) a plenty x
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((((((Hugs)))))) all round!!
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Massive (((hugs))). This is truly grim and makes you doubt yourself as a parent all over again. Some days I feel as lost as I did when she was newborn, and she's my second. (((Hugs)))
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Ugh. 2 hour plus NW - barely any crying, just lying there sucking her thumb and staring at the ceiling ??? ???
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If its any consolation honey we had a 2hr night waking at 3am this morning. Again no crying just shouting at me to 'get him up!'. I'm good for nothing today! Hugs. Totally understand about feeling as clueless as when they were newborns.
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So sorry Brummum. Its rubbish isn't? Unfortuantely, I got a bit excited last night as we had friends over and I felt like I was in adult world, and had a little bit too much wine and a little too late bedtime. There's been a lot of cbeebies for my ODS today (although he is loving it!!)
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Another over 2 hour NW. <sobs> what is going on??!
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Another over 2 hour NW
This can be quite common in the regression period, sorry :( ((Hugs))
In my opinion, the best thing you can do is rule out other causes of long NWs, e.g. teething discomfort, by giving meds, and other discomfort by changing a nappy and settling him cosy again. Then just try and be as consistent with your usual approach as possible and once the regression is over he will settle back in to a more normal pattern. I appreciate this sounds easier than it is in real terms when you're awake in the middle of the night. It will end! xxxx
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Thanks Naomi - sort of helps to know that it might be regression related as I get so hung up on finding the reason for things and fiddling with her routine, which I don't think helps. I medicated last night and comforted as necessary and she was trying to settle, but just couldn't seem to get comfy.
She was super tired this morning, and unless she woke up much earlier than I thought (always possible but I don't think so this time), then she could handle a much shorter A to her nap than usual. She was falling asleep in her buggy and crying, which is most unlike her (pretty much never fell asleep in her buggy even as a newborn). Put her down for a nap now but suspect she will short nap me.
The more I think about it, the more I think I should move to set naps - the guessing about her WUs etc is driving me mad and I think life might just be simpler. She's 18 months so should be able to cope by now, no?
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Sorry I got your LOs gender wrong sweetie :(
All LOs are different but my E was on set naps from about a year, shortly after she moved to one nap. I would think your LO would manage it too. Have a read of the thread here and see what you think:
Set naps for toddlers: Why, How and When
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Hello all, i am starting to worry that the dreaded regression has hit us too, a bit early i might add!! We are getting short naps that will not resettle when before he would almost always resettle, hysterical screaming WU from naps. In the morning we get chatty wu after 10.5-11hrs, usually ot for us.
He fact we are teething canines is not helping one bit but meds make no difference!
We are going on holiday in less than 2 weeks and i have an exam next week and am literally living off of my last buys if energy! Almost every morning is pre 6am. We never suffered from ew before!
I thonk i will lose my mind if this lasts all the way through to 18 months!!!
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My Little Liam - it started early for us, at about 16 mo but also combined with 2-1 issues. Hope it's a short phase for you.
Well we didn't get hours of wake up in the night but she was up for the day at either 4.50 or 5.20 and too long an A to her nap meant 40 minutes. She won't do a CN later and I could cry. Just don't know what to do with her.
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Well I think they are tag teaming then because we had a 2hr early hrs wake up this morning. I'm shattered and my head is throbbing!
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This was our day yesterday:
WU 0550
A 5hr30
S 1120-1230 resettled almost instantly 1230-1340 I had to wake him for dr appointment.
A 4hr40
BT 0620
We had a cry out at 830, 120, 220 and WU at 5!!!! I don't know if he was ut or OT at BT or if it was pain from canines OT maybe just the regression/developmental. I have noticed that no matter what length nap, even if only an hour, we are getting nights around 10hr40. I don't know if this is habitual or maybe by that point teeth are bothering him. Today is a 2 nap day with a 30min CN but I am wondering about tomorrow if I get a better WU. Do you think afternoon A should be more like 5hrs? I think his morning A needs to be a tad shorter for sure. I don't know what to do about these short nights!!
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Disaster! He wouldn't nap until 220pm. I guess I will wake him at 330 to keep BT.
Could it be that my LO needs a 5hr A after a good nap and that part of the problem with short nights is that he is ut? The problem is I usually either get a horrible nap or an amazing nap that is 2.5-3hrs. If I do 5hr A time our day is 13hrs. Is that too long? Should I cap the nap to make the day shorter??
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Possibly - my DD definitely needs 5hrs A but she is a bit older (and frankly given the mess we're in, you probably shouldn't take advice from me!).
Did you just end up with 1 nap yesterday then? What time did you first try PD after your early wake?
We're just in hell here. Half an hour nap 2 days ago, just over an hour yesterday and an hour and a half night waking last night - up for the day by 6! I think we're in a hideous OT cycle but can't seem to dig our way out. I'm going to give it another week of trying what we're doing (approx sticking to WTs etc) and then, as hopefully we'll be travelling a bit less, take the advice Naomi and others suggested and go to set naps. I can't think what else to do. Although set naps on top of already OT could be a recipe for disaster. Ugh ugh ugh. And I know its getting bad when DH and I start arguing about it in the middle of the night...
How you doing Brummum?
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We got a second nap in the car at 220-330 I woke him but then he wouldn't fall asleep until 745. NW 220-250 and wake up at 605 so a short night! Today I wanted to put him down for a nap at 1115 and got nap refusal. Final got him down at 1220 but I am sure he is OT by now and am terrified of a short nap again! :-\
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I'm definitely in for a short nap. Just can't escape the cycle. Hope better for you.
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Hang in there ladies, you'll get though it :)
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Thanks Katherine! Currently at 1.5hrs nap and still counting. Longest in a good while, especially without any resettling! Pushed her nap until 12 today (over 6A) - these toddlers are consistently inconsistent... Hope others are having ok days.
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We got 1hr40 so not bad but not great either
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I can tell this is developmental. He has been babbling away to himself all day! Reading books aloud to himself in baby talk... So funny! It's taking him 15-20 min to fall asleep every night, usually he drops off right away! I hope this passes quickly...
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I think 15 minutes or so is quite normal as they become toddlers. They need to unwind from their day.
We got a whole 40 minute nap again today. So depressing. A bad night ahead.
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Our night was 10hrs! Horrible to start the day at 5...
Today we were busy all day. Fell asleep at 10 in car on way to his gym class, slept 10 minutes. Then slept 1245-1445. Bt 7 so a really long day but lets hope for a later wu!
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Ladies, talk to me about when/how the 18-month regression started for you. Ben has STTN consistently since 11 months, I can probably count on 1 hand the amount of times he hasn't STTN since then. He's 16 months now and over the last 2 weeks we've been having a few looooong NWs - 2hrs. He's hysterical and clings to me like his life depends on it. It takes a lot to get him back down.
He is still napping fine - usually around 2.5hrs.
He got his 4 top teeth about a month ago (probably a little longer), and still still slept fine through that. I am medicating before bed just in case it's teeth, but it really just 'feels' like something else.
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Well ours has been tied up in 2-1 and teeth as well as developmental - all leading to OT ugh. Short naps and EWs have been on/off for us for ages so I can't blame regression on them, but recent fresh hells have been a loooong time to settle at bedtime (did I say looong?), and every few days a loooong night waking. Ours haven't been particularly separation anxiety or clingy (yet), but more just awake with the occaisional crying and moaning, and like she just can't switch off. I think a bit is OT, but I do think is very developmental 18 mo SR crazy. I think we've hit a particularly bad regression though.
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Anyone please I'm loosing my mind my LO is 16 months next week and will not nap in his cot I just don't know what to do, he used to do 5 hour A then sleep 1.5/2 hours no probs with independent settling! Now hysteria at nap time I've done wi/wo and gw nothing works!
Could the regression hit early?
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I thought we had an early regression too, but it seems as though he was having the beginnings of a flu virus. We also battled some teething as well - I think both things masked themselves as regression.
Any signs of teething?
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Last molar coming through but am medicating before naps, it starts the min I mention sleep, nap, bed or approach the stairs! Maybe it's developmental as he's becoming very naughty and cheeky x
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I'm popping on and wondering if we are in the sr too. We are in last wonder week. C is 17 months old. We had months of ew and finally after sticking to set routine things really have been great for months. Normally our day is
W 630 ish
Nap 12 - 215/230(give or take 15 mins)
Bed 7-730 depending on nap
So this past week we have had lots of nap fighting, only one good nap. Yesterday was 1 hr 20 mins
And we are getting ew which I HATE!!
I'm wondering if this is the sr ??
At first I thought it was a routine thing but after reading some posts on here I'm thinking its the sr. We missed all the others so I was hoping we would miss this too :)
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The timing for finding this could not be better for us. I should not go off just two nights, but DD's behaviour is very much like what Lindsay described. We don't see any signs of sickness, and while we gave her pain meds, I don't think it is teeth since she is still eating well.
I am debating between SR and SA (or maybe they are one causing the other).
The last 2 nights she has woken at 2am both times, and been up for hrs. We try everything, but every time we put her back in her crib she screams hysterically and screams and screams. DH even slept with her in the guest room for a couple hrs this morning, and even after that she still screamed the house down when he put her in the crib. I thought maybe it was sickness the first night since DH took care of her, but last night I saw her behaviour, and I don't think so. She would lay on my chest for a couple of minutes, and then sit up and start talking and pointing or try to wiggle down out of my lap and go into her playroom to play. She was acting like it was 3PM, not 3AM!
Does this sound like SR? We don't know what to do. I am thinking tonight we should make a point to not pull her out of her crib, and just do WIWO from the very beginning. Thoughts??
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Kirsten this is exactly like my LO and its affecting naps....I feel like giving up as dont know what's causing this! We've had 2 nights of him in our bed at 2am after 2 hours awake and happy as larry!! He acts like he could go all day without sleep...I'm having to do a lot of driving around to get any sleep!!
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Kirsten and Haribo - huge sympathies on the 2 hr NWs. We've been having them too and they're hell!
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Hi everyone,
Unfortunately I am joining you here. I see some familiar faces:)
Too tired to post and have to get ready for uni...
When I get back I'll write more because I just don't know what to do with DD atm. I got 3h sleep last night:(
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I just don't get any of it, not sure if it's canines for us moving about, 2-1 transition with ot or SR! Newborns are so much lol ;-)
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Hello, I have posted and been informed I should come to the sleep regression for 18 months old which I am a little upset about as I thought once I sleeked trained my DD that would be it. I have posted my original post below so you know what I am dealing with. Any suggestions would be grateful. Is there anything I can do or do I just have to keep doing what I'm doing and wait it out? ???
Ok so my DD has slept great since 7 months old. Has always ate great always fell to sleep on her own
Her routine used to be:
Wake: never sure exact time as she would wake and play for nearly an hour in her cot. But I'm expecting between 6-7am
7am 4oz bottle
8am breakfast
12pm lunch
1pm 1.5-2 hour nap (read a story lay her down and she just rolls around until she gets comfy and sleeps)
5:30-6pm dinner
6:00-6:30 bath
7-7:30 7 oz bottle
7:30-8 bed (just a little read whilst she is in cot and then I walk out say night and again she rolls might whinge a little and then falls asleep)
Routine is exactly the same but now when I put her down to sleep she screams when I lay her down and leave her. If I have hand on her back she is fine but as soon as I move it she screams. This is nap time and bed time. She also crys as soon as she wakes up won't play at all in her cot.
Iv so far resorted to just staying in her room with my back to her until she settles and falls asleep. But I just can't understand why this has gone back to square one. Iv always been so lucky since I sleep trained her.
She was ill a week ago but only for 2 days and we didn't change anything she even still slept fine then.
This has been 3 nights so far please please help!!! What have I done wrong?
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Hi there, try not to be upset honey. I don't know if it helps at all but I always try to remember these blips are developmental and show that your LO is growing and her brain is developing as it should.
It is hard but you will both come out the other side. How old is she now? I would keep offering sleep at the times you usually would as her routine looks good and just try to ride it out without getting into any bad habits that may be hard to drop later. It will pass!
(Hugs)
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We had the same. A few days/nights of hell, I slept about 3-4 hours a night and then had to go to work. Nothing worked at all and she just would not settle, even when I slept with her, held her whatever
Suddenly it just stopped and DD woke in the morning with a language explosion, so I guess it was things going on in her little brain that were causing the sleep issues.
hang in there!!
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It has arrived for sure!!!! :'(
The last two night have been maximum 9.5-10hrs, tons of NW and EW. Tonight we have BT refusal. He has been screaming his head off as if he is being murdered!!!
I am about to pull my hair out!! How long does this last?!?!?!
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I wish a knew, lol
We keep having a few good nights and I think we are done, then it all starts again.
3 weeks so far and counting
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Oh man!! I dont know how i will last so long! I hope we at least have a break every few days like you so i can get some rest... :-\
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It will pass...and in the meantime hugs xx
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Just wondering, is it common for nw every sleep cycle during SR or is it more likely pain? We are teething canines but L is on pain meds...
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Sounds more like pain to me, we had that as molars were cutting :(
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Just found out he has an ear infection :-\
Poor guy... Hopefully sleep will be a but better with the antibiotics.
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Oh no get well soon Liam x
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Oh poor poppet - hopefully he'll get well soon now he has the medicine.
E often gets ear infections with teething, my sympathies are with you xxx
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Why wont he sleep for me.. So frustrating. Past 3 weeks Liam has been cutting teeth so I understand a little SA but this is getting nuts. He does now have a cold (congested going on 12 days). But could this also be a little sleep regression this early? This all started before he got sick for what its worth. No mater what tweaking I do he'll go to bed find for the babysitter or my DH but when I try to put him to bed if I even try to walk out of the room he's screams bloody murder .Stands up and just yells and cries. Minute I walk in he stops. I have to stay in there with him and it's taking upwards of 30min for him to fall asleep. Last night I ended up rocking him to sleep because he just couldn't shut off. Rocking him took literally 3 min so I know he was tired. Liam is 16m 3 W. Although this started right at 16M.
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Maybe a wonder week? There is one around that age.
Honestly Siobhan, sleep has been wonky for a week, then good again, then wonky again, rinse and repeat since 16 months. Even now, after finding out he has an ear infection that has caused our horrible sleep for a while, we are still having NW (although not as bad or long), and I don't think he is in a pain anymore...
I just think this is a horrible time for sleep! Teething and developmental stuff makes it hard. I can say that in the past 2 weeks Liam has grown so much and learned so many new words. I can really tell a difference every day!, it is unbelievable!
I guess we just have to push through, yk?? It will be over soon....
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We are totally the same, have a week of rubbish naps, BT crying then a good week, then rubbish again! We had ear infection followed 2 weeks later by chest infection! Can't tell if canines are en route but NW are regular and we've been without them for a good while!!
I'm blaming wonder week as DS learning loads of new stuff x
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Ugh. i wish I could blame a wonderweek. He's still not talking at all. I do know a canine just popped through. But I just don't know why he fights BT so much. It's exhausting and i"m having to rock him to sleep because I can't to wiwo while he's congested and not feeling well. I'm so exhausted. Sorry you ladies are having trouble too.
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My LO doesn't say much mostly points and says yeah or mama! I've slept on the floor next to cot for 2 nights from 4.30am! He seems to just want to hold my hand bless x
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Ugh!!! How much longer will this last?!? I am losing my mind!!! This kid WILL NOT NAP!!!! And when he finally does it isnt longer than 1hr20! Most night are ok with only short NW if any but we do get EW almost every day! He is so OT by now i dont know what to do!! :-\ :-[ :'(
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My Little Liam - I'm with you! Rubbish naps, early wakes and for us, long NWs too. Its miserable. And its been going on forever for us...
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I hear you. Right now we are getting Good naps but EW and CRAZY BT shennanigans. He will NOT let me leave the room at BT. Naps are ok but last night I had had enough of stanidng over his crib with my hand on his butt for 30min while he plays around so I did wiwo for 30min and he made himself so upset he threw up. Seriously? So then I had to revert back to helping he was just so upset I was afraid he'd throw up his whole dinner. Trying again tonight but jeez he's just 17M how long does this last.
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So we had a 2.5hr nap yesterday! I was so happy, no nap fighting and slept great..and then a 10hr night :-\
I guess i cant complain since he went down easily and slept through...
I remember reading on another thread that during SR LO's sleep needs decrease to around 12-12.5hrs per day. I am wondering though, should i cap his nap at 1.5hrs so his night is longer? Or leave things as they are and they will eventually sort themselves out? I al afraid his OT will get worse on short nights? But if i nap cap he could get OT too??? I remember reading something that zacsmumme said about that i think??
If i do nap cap, how do i know things are back to normal and i can stop capping??
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I think we have a growth spurt in the mix too.....eating loads but now waking with a poo at 5am and not wanting to go back to sleep!!!
And clocks change this weekend so that will be 4am poop!!
At least BT fight gone and mostly stays asleep till 5am!
Urghh so sick of poop lol
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Well L just fell asleep in the car this morning after 3.5hr A. I guess i will give him 20 min and then try for our regular nap time but i foresee nap resistance BIG TIME!! ::)
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That's a good question. Should i cap his nap at 1:45? See if that helps?
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Oh ladies...what is going on!? Honest to goodness! He goes to bed with no issues, but we are getting either lots of short NWs or really loooong NWs. Last night he was so hysterical while I was trying to do PD at 1am he started banging his head off the side of the crib :( Naps on weekends are complete junk too. Sigh...when does it end? He's been working on his top 2 molars for about a month and a half and those are about halfway through, and his bottom molar just cut on the weekend, so I'm sure that is not helping at all.
And...is anyone getting SA that is out of this world!? I feel like he is 8 months old again and I can't leave a room without him going bananas.
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^^^^ all of above but we have molars!! Happy as larry on min then meltdown the next!
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I have accepted that I can't leave him at bt he just freaks out and no amount of wiwo is going to change that. I don't know how much longer this will go on given he just turned 17 2 weeks ago and it's been going on for more than a month. What I can't handle are the 4 or 5am wake ups which make NO SENSE and refusal to go back to sleep.
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Totally with u on the 4am WU, this morning 4.30am totally refused sleep until 6am then had to get up at 6.30 for nursery and work! He must be shattered but seems to be coping well! Can't wait to WU at 7am one day and he's still asleep.....we can dream lol x
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I hate it when i'm at playgroup and a kid his exact age is sleeping 8-8... argh then the mom looks at me like it's something I'm doing wrong. What does your lo do when he wakes up that early? He just cries and screams if I do wiwo and once he's up he's up there is no putting him back down.
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Tell me about it, I have the ones that say I'm lucky my LO sleeps till 8am I have wake him....I just nod and think to myself your time may come don't brag too much lol ;-)
He used to wake up and chatter but now it's mantra cry for few mins then shouting mama then crying! When I go in he just points to the door and says yeah!?! Bonkers!
I've resorted to sitting next to the cot saying lay down until he gives in sometimes works after an hour or so or sometimes bring him in bed....I know it's bad but need sleep on work days!
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Yeah bringing him into bed is not an option for us. Hasn't worked since he was 6 months old. If he leaves his crib he's UP.
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If he leaves his crib he's UP.
Same. DH attempted it last night in the spare room in desperation after an ongoing 2hr NW and got no sleep. I'd say I feel sorry for him...but the amount of times I've dealt with NWs...it was his turn! lol
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Joining the club here. DD has been fighting for naps, BT with NW and EW. This morning she woke up at 4:30am and refused to go back to sleep. She screamed quite quickly if I don't go to her. Even if I go to her, she just wanted to get out from her cot.
Tonight, she woke up 2hrs after her BT, which is unusual coz she normally NW around 3ish. I tried to settle her in cot for 1.5 hrs. She made herself sick due to screaming and we also had neighbours complaint. I had to pick her up and settled het in my arm.
Frankly, I feel really upset, angry and frustrated for the whole SR. Hope this phrase will pass soon.
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I'm just sick of it....BT settles fine at the moment but up 11pm, 2am 5am all crying WU all trying to get out the cot! And to think I used to moan at 6.30 am WU!
I feel lost :-(
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I think we might have a breakthrough??? Liam has been going down happily for naps and BT and STTN for a week already! The only problem is that he is soooooo OT, it is ridiculous! SR, canines and DLS have literally killed us... We have EW from the OT, but we are working on it and hopefully we are on the right track and things will straighten out soon enough. FX!!!!!
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Did he just all of a sudden do it or did you need to re ST? Liam went from settling fine at nap with me having to help at BT to both nap AND BT and we're still only getting 10-10.5hr nights?
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Well our nights are still 10-10.5hr but i put that down to OT. The problem is that I dont really know how to get over the OT when he doesnt tack. Should i just stick with the set times no matter what and eventually it will work itself out?
Regarding settling, i never really helped him, i just continues to do wiwo the whole time and one day he just went back to settling consistently.
Now how do i get out of this OT mess when i am trying to move wu forward because of dls and the fact that nap cant be earlier than 1??
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We are having lots of issues settling him for naps, so I REALLY hope he goes back to self settling/soothing. Even if he has a NW he used to just ss and now he screams the house down.
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Oh man, i thought we were done with this!!!
I think he got so OT during the last month of SR that the last week or two has just been CU but niw that he has had a week of longer nights (10.5-10hr45, so not ideal but much better than 9-9.5hr) he is now totally refusing naps AGAIN!! He has been whining and rolling around for almost an hour. I think i have done WIWO a hundred times already! GO TO SLEEP, LIAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally asleep after an hour! I had to go in and lie in his crib and he fell asleep within a minute. This is ridiculous!
He has an amazing language explosion, though. In the last month he went from maybe 5 words to probably almost 30 and has even said two words together a few times! But how much longer is this going to last!?!? I am totally losing it by now!
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DD has been screaming the house down almost every single night at BT. I tried wi/wo, she was so upset and screamed even louder. Tried to stay next to her cot or even lean into it, she kept popping up and refused to go down and wanted to be cuddled.
I feel sorry for her as well as for myself. It's emotionally exhausted. I feel it's so wrong that she need to cry for an hour before she felt asleep every night!! She will be 19 mo in a couple of days. Can someone please tell me how long the SR will last?
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Some tell me 2....I just think it's over as we get no nap if BT resistance and a whole 4 days of no NW then it's back to NW!! Standing crying mama until I hold his hold and he drops off!
It's putting DH off considering another baby :-(
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Some tell me 2....I just think it's over as we get no nap if BT resistance and a whole 4 days of no NW then it's back to NW!! Standing crying mama until I hold his hold and he drops off!
It's putting DH off considering another baby :-(
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DD has NW too. She doesn't go back down on her own and keeps calling Mama until I go to her. I have found that if I go to her quickly, give a quick cuddle (literally a few seconds) and put her down straight away, she will be back to sleep immediately. A result of SA?? If I don't go to her, that would be a long NW with screaming.
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DS just screams if I leave him it's so weird, totally happy at BT leave him awake and blow a kiss goodnight and not a peep!
Thinking I need a yoga mag under his cot to save my hips lol x
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We had this problem with BT finally had begun to work itself out.
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Same...I think we are coming around the bend on the regression. His NWs were something out of newborn status, all self settling went completely out the window. We also had all 4 molars coming through during our SR so that was just impeccable timing lol. And SA was bad too, but now back to normal drops offs at daycare with no screaming! It.does.end!
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Well, my DD is 17.5 months old and I think this may be what has started over this past week. Didn't think it could get much worse seeing as she has only once slept through the night ONCE ever and that was about 2 weeks ago :( So very tired of getting up three times a night at the minimum. We had her only getting up once for a couple weeks (was during the time she STTN the one time) and since then she has been getting up constantly!! Doesn't help that she just cut threw an eye tooth (three more to go), and she has had a bit of a cold. Don't feel right medicating every single night either. Just seems like so much meds, and the nights that I have given her tylenol or advil I really don't see much difference at all. My husband tries to settle her often but 90% of the time as soon as he leaves the room she cries. So he has started to sleep on her floor until she falls back asleep some nights. I'm sure this is starting to create more problems.
I am also still breastfeeding so this is what she wants from me as soon as I go in the room. She never nurses to sleep, just nurses, and then I put her back in her crib completely awake and then she goes back to sleep. She also goes to bed awake in her crib. The last couple days though she has started to cry when I leave the room, whereas since she was five months old she has always self settled at bedtime. Now she cries???? Maybe SA? It only lasts for a couple minutes and isn't a hard cry, just upset I leave the room, but since my DH has been laying on the floor sometimes in the middle of the night, she may be starting to expect this. He doesn't do it every night, just 2-3 times a week.
I am at a loss for how to get her to start sleeping better ??? Her naps have started to also go wonky. Some times she will nap for 1.5 hours, and in the last couple days she is waking after 20 mins!!!!! then the next day she will nap for 1.5 hours?? Her bedtime is consistent and so is her wake up time (within a half hour either way). She has been on one nap since 12 months old. Me and DH both work full time so we are getting pretty desperate for some sleep!
Any advice???? I am thinking of weaning her during the last week in December when I have a week of vacation. Not sure if this will help her to stop the NW's, or if I'm ready to stop breastfeeding. Any BTDT experience?
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I can't help with the Breastfeeding advice but you could post on the BF thread and see what people suggest. What is her routine right now? My lo's naps were very hit and miss when she was teething but if meds don't help then not sure?
I am in the UK and we give calpol or nurofen for pain. Calpol (paracetamol) does nothing for mine for teeth but nurofen (ibuprofen) works. I guess if neither are helping I would not give them x
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Hi -- I have a 21 mth old boy -- he has always been able to settle himself to sleep and generally never had any problems putting him down at night and have a good bedtime routine. However, he has always woken at least once or twice every night and we have gone in and put dunmmy back in and tucked him back in and gone back to sleep, which although not great but we could live with that.
However in the last 3 months night time has become horrendous -- we are up with him nearly every hour every night. his general routine is :
Wake up 6/630 am
nap 12-130pm -- we restrict to 1.5 hrs
bedtime 7pm
he goes to sleep fine and at around 7ish and stays asleep until about 1030/11pm and then the fun and games start, he crys, and shouts out to us .- we have tried the crying down and that just went on for hours and seemed to get everyone worked up.
We have been attempting gradual retreat but as soon as we get to the bedroom door he wakes up again.
All he wants us to do is sit next to his bed (even bringing him into our bed doesnt work as he just fidgets the whole night and keeps waking up himself up by hitting into us).
This has gone on for too long now -- we changed his cot into a bed a month ago as he was geting very agitated in his cot and kept throwing everything out so we thought maybe he didnt like to be cooped up? but that has made things worse as he now gets out of bed and comes and stands at his door and shouts or crys at the door (he doesnt step out of the door though!)
now we are in dilema of 'do we change it back?' or leave it and persevere on the bed ??
help needed as dont think we can continue the sleep deprivation and continue working normally -- we are also worried about of 6 yr daughter who we have very little time for at the moment due al our energy being taken up with dealing with this and then on weekends we are so tired.! (on a good note my daughter has clearly tuned out to her brothers carying/shouting as she sleeps soundly and always has done! )
Sorry for ramblings X
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Hi hun I would post this in your own thread in toddler sleep. Ill respond there because you'll get more eyes if you have your own topic.
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thanks -- have just created it now.
x
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How long does this darn thing last? Sleep has never been great, but the last month has just been awful, before all the madness he lured us into a false sense of security and started sleeping 12.5/13hrs over night.... unheard of and I suspect it was a growth spurt right on the 18 month mark. But we're now coming up 20 months and sleep is horrendous :-[
I'm shattered and grumpy!
What's most frustrating is that everyone I know who has kids never went or aren't going through this now, their children all sleep and i'm so jealous, then feel guilty for feeling jealous!
Before all this silliness we were on 1-3 BT at 7 WU 6.30/7, he's always SS for naps and BT. I've brought nap back to see if it was OT no dice... tried capping it 1-2.30pm no dice. Naps range anywere from 45 minutes to 2 hrs and no matter what we get 1-3 NW's 'I need you mummy' shout/cry and then EMW anywhere from 5 am onwards where he wants to get up!
Someone tell me i'm getting near the end please....
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Sorry hun. We just ordered the goodnite light to help maybe you could try something like that?
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Hey Siobhan, are you still suffering sleep deprivation too? Worth a try I guess but I thought maybe Reuben is too young? I'll be interested to know how you get on with it.
We'll he slept he slept 1hr 20 today from woke himself at 2.10, was easily upset and frustrated this evening refused tea, but went straight to sleep at 7pm, I don't hold much hope for tonight better to have no expectations! I have ibuprofen incase it's teeth but I can't see anything, but guess that doesn't mean anything, we're still waiting on 2 molars and all of the canines!
I know I shouldn't wish time away but I'll be so glad once all teeth are through, not sure what I'll blame then for his crappy sleep though?!
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YEah. :) he's still acting like he has SA it went away around 19M came roaring back at 20 when I went back to school and work pt. Only fights when I do it. Lucky me. But it's the 5:30 wake ups that kill me. So we're going to try the light and see if it works.
we're still waiting on 2 molars and all of the canines!
^oy that's miserable. I would say it's most likely teeth. Sometime meds just don't kill the pain.
Liam has all his teeth except 2yr molars but those have now started to move. :) it never ends.
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Is Liam happy during the day? Reuben is super whiney and clingy but bit only seems to be with me, when I'm not there family and DH say he's fine plays nicely, but if I'm there it's as if he needs my attention 100% of the time and if we don't do what he wants then queue more whining, crying and grumpiness.
Ah forgot about the two year molars, so we have at least 10 teeth to go! At least you only have those 4 left hopefully they'll appear soon x
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It honestly depends. Some days he plays happily by himself going from room to room. Some days he is attached to my hip and nothing stops it so we just go about our day and I give him activities to do along side me. It usually correlates with teething, sickness, or OT.
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So a rubbish night, I ended up sleeping with him in the guest room as I got sick of getting up out of bed, he woke for the day at 5.15am after a 7pm BT 😭. We had a major meltdown today at 11 so I just pd hoping that he was tired enough to do a good nap. I had to resettle at 1hr10 which is OT for him and he woke at 2.10! I'm really hoping a 3 hr nap does not backfire on me, did pd tonight at 7 and asleep by 7.15, so it was a 14hr day which is for sure too long but fx the 3 nap balances it put and he's not UT or OT. I've put a blow up bed on his floor tonight just incase he 'needs me'
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Sorry hun. We just got through a major sickness so I feel your pain. LOTS OF HUGS FOR A GOOD NIGHT. I would have done exactly what you did today.
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Well we finally had a full nights sleep from 7pm till 6.35 ;D however I now have tonsilitis >:( and I suspect this may have been part of the reason for the sleep disturbances last week, looking back I think R may have had it and has given it to me, how guilty do I feel?!!
Hope you've had a better few days Siobhan and Liam is on the mend!
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Hi all - just wondering if you could advise if this is the 18 month SR. Just got to STTN after horrendous 2-1 and now EWs (5ish - yuck), refusing naps til crazily late in the day. Taking ages to settle at bedtime, SA at bedtime. Loads of new sounds which are very word-like plus a few identifiable words. He is teething - 1 canine has poked through today so not sure if all down to SR as teething is definitely impacting. After 2 weeks it is driving me slightly crazy as just can't settle to EWs so he is up! Tell me it gets better!!!! 😁
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Tough time here too - back tomorrow properly! Not coping well with the lack of sleep :(
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Booooooo..........I'm admitting defeat.......were here too. Last week has been rubbish and I'm pretty sure it's the regression.
Loooong BT battles, heartbreaking crying, wanting cuddles, longer nap means more of a fight and he's not tacking on like usual.
So...here following along and will be back ;) x
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And (((hugs))) this is us too and def sounds like the SR
Hi all - just wondering if you could advise if this is the 18 month SR. Just got to STTN after horrendous 2-1 and now EWs (5ish - yuck), refusing naps til crazily late in the day. Taking ages to settle at bedtime, SA at bedtime. Loads of new sounds which are very word-like plus a few identifiable words. He is teething - 1 canine has poked through today so not sure if all down to SR as teething is definitely impacting. After 2 weeks it is driving me slightly crazy as just can't settle to EWs so he is up! Tell me it gets better!!!! 😁
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Thanks
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Oops pressed send too soon!
Thanks for the reply!
Still sleep crazies round here - just trying to roll with it using EBT so even though EWing he is getting a bit more ONS. Today was 5am WU, only 1 hr nap at 1 (!) but out like a light at 6.30 (earliest I can manage with getting home from work). 2nd canine through now with another close by so definitely not helping! Hoping the clock change will help to take the pain out of the early starts so will use it to have bed/wake up later until thing settle down a bit I think?
Hugs to you all, this is a tough one!
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Ugh! Sounds I'm uch like us but instead of we we have Bt battles to make the day way too long ::) today the short naps started 2 hrs (I always wake) to 1hr20 crying. DH got him up In the hope our Bt will be less of a fight.
Today will be this
WU 7.30 (after 10.5 hr night as he didnt sleep till 9 after 7.30 Bt!)
Nap 12.30-1.50/55
Bt will aim for 7.30 which is a long day and he's prob going to be OT but were going to see if he fights us or not
So what was your LO doing before the SR KJM. We were 6.30/7 nap 12.30-2.30 Bt 7.30
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We were WU 6, sleep 12.20-2, bed 7. He has never done more than 11hrs overnight and typically 1hr45 for nap but has been down to 10hrs for the last few weeks now with no chance of a reesettle. Did 6.30-5 last night. My main problem is that nap is after lunch at nursery so his morning is way too long so he is probably getting OT so making matters worse! He is there 5 days a week too so I am bringing the nap earlier to 12 to catch up a bit. He needs a long 1st A so daren't bring any earlier so this will add to the EWs.
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Hugs that sounds tough. Our problem is mainly BT and I'm just not sure how best to change up his routine. We really should do wi/WO but he seems so distressed, and I'm not good at listening to him cry :'(
Today he napped 1hr20 but still fussing at 7.40pm ::) I'm soooooo not ready for this regression
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We were having BT issues before last week too and I used WI/WO and it did really help him settle more quickly at BT. I know what you mean about the crying though - it is heartbreaking! Have you found SA to be worsened too? I stayed a little longer on the WI and that helped a bit.
Hugs to you.
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Yeah sa is through the roof, even during A time. He's very independent usually but then suddenly very clingy when he wants to be if that makes sense. I just posted in TS as I'm not sure if I need to push the nap or something else :-\ I hate this regression!
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Need some tips... We've hit the 18 mo regression and it's been about 2 weeks. He's been on the same schedule which was working GREAT at the start:
Wake 7:00
Nap 12:00-2/3:00
Bed 9:00
He's always gone to bed somewhere between 8:30 and 9:30 depending on his nap schedule.
I'm not worried that he's ot or ut because he wakes happily and falls asleep easily. HOWEVER, he's started waking up at 1am and won't go back to sleep until 4 or 5!! He's whining, tossing, turning, and trying to play, gets angry when I lay him back down ect.
He gets a snack 30 min prior to bedtime, it starts the night routine. Snack, bath, snuggle, sleep. That has also been the same since birth... I have been very firm and consistent with laying him down, telling him it's time for sleep, and just not engaging him in anything stimulating during the night and he's still waking.
Any tips to reiterate that it's time for sleep, and to make this pass sooner!?
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It could be a regression or he could need less than 3hr nap time. Do you notice that he does it more on days that he gets more day sleep? Also it's a bit of a shorter night at 10hrs with a 3hr nap so I think maybe he's getting too much day sleep.
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He does it on 3 hr nap days, 2 hr nap days, some days I have to give him a short 1.5 hr nap around 9:39 and a 30 min nap around 3... It all turns out the same. I have noticed on days where we have a lot of errands to run and he gets 2 catnaps in the car for about 30 min each he does okay only waking up briefly then sleeping through but he's so grumpy those days I know he's exhausted...
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Well it sounds like your lo can catch up on sleep at night on days he gets less sleep during the day which is great. I would suggest not letting him sleep for 3hrs. But What I would do is start your own thread to get some additional eyes. Perhaps on the General Sleep forum or Night Wakings.
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Joining everyone and hoping this sleep regression is short lived for all! It's been about two weeks now of EWings, anywhere from 5:15am to 6am, but 6am is now considered sleeping in. DS is 19 months, cutting his 4 canines, and just not sleeping well. He sometimes needs to be resettled once or twice at night, but he doesn't fight BT or nap time. Just short nights (10.5 hours) and short naps (1.25-1.5 hours). And it seems that if I put him to bed early (6pm), then he's up by 5:15. If he goes to bed late (7:30), he sleeps till 6. I just don't know what to do. Anyone know how long this lasts?
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Is he settling independently Hun? If not then I'd tackle that first. I had to re at both my kids at this age after a bout of SA/teething/sr.
If so, what does he do at the ew? Will he stay in bed till WU? What time is the nap?
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He settles independently for naps and BT, but when he wakes up in the morning, whether it's 5:15am or later, that's it, there's nothing I can do to get him back to sleep. The first time I'll usually go in and just tell him we're still sleeping. He'll lay there quietly for about 10 minutes, but then cry. If I don't get him, he'll wail. I'll then just cuddle with him in the chair for 5 mins and then he'll say 'done' and we'll go downstairs. Never before 5:30, but usually before 6.
His nap is 12:15/12:30.
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Have you tried w2s? It could have become a habit...or it could be teeth? - does medicating help? Can you feed at 5 and pd again...would he settle then?
Only other thing I can think of is to get yo push the nap later. Closer to 1-3pm :-\
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I haven't tried w2s. Really don't want to have to set my alarm to wake him up :( I've tried medicating him before when he woke up around 3am, but it made no difference, he was still up around 5:30. He doesn't take a bottle, and he doesn't really drink much in the morning so feeding wouldn't help him settle. I'm worried that pushing the nap to 1pm would make him OT, as that would be 7.5 hours of A time if he wakes up at 5:30. Should I try anyways? Just don't know how long it would take to change it as well. If the first time doesn't work, how long do I try?
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Well of you suspect OT then try an earlier nap for a few days and see if it helps? If the naps a bust do EBT
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Ugh, I hate to admit it, but we are here too... His schedule is all over the place.
Usually he's pretty consistent with a 6:45am WU, 1-3 nap, 8:45pm BT... he never slept more than 12hrs a day.
Now he sleeps his naps, but they are happening early or late. And he wont sleep til like 9:30, and wakes up at 6:15ish. I am dead. Ohh and tons of NWs
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Where is he at with teeth Hun? How longs this been going on?
What's happening at BT? - faffing about or crying for you?
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I wonder if the 2yr molars are coming in... hmm...
Oh BT, it is just a looooong dragged out process lately. He demands his "neh nah's" on and on until I give up about 45mins later and then he screams for a good 10mins, until he is exhausted and daddy comes over, puts a hand on his back and he's out like a light in a matter of seconds... I can't do this no more!
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Hi All - I thought I would post on here as I think we are entering the throes of the 18 month sleep regression. I know it is one of those things you just have to get through, but man is it rough in the meantime! My son literally just turned 18 months about 2 weeks ago and over the last week sleep has gotten worse. So far middle of the night sleep has not been affected (thank you God and knock on wood!), but his wakeup time is 30-45 minutes early and his naps have been a bit shorter. He has alsobecome EXTREMELY stubborn over the last few days and is throwing temper tantrums like I never thought could occur. Oh - and he cut two molars this week and judging by his swollen gums more are not far behind! To make matters even worse we found out he has a severe nut allergy last week that had me calling 911 and us in the ER! What a week for all of us!
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Ugh! It has started! DD2 has started her wonderweek, and sure enough sleep has gone out the window :( She was already down to a 40-50min nap with 11hr night, the last couple days have been 30min nap and then she tries to wake after 10hr night...yesterday I got her back to sleep, this morning no such luck :( Poor kid just had a meltdown outside of her sisters room because I wouldnt let her go in and wake dd1 up. I imagine this is going to get much worse before it gets better :P
On the bright side I have noticed a language explosion, and she is really starting to understand most of what is said to her :)
Anyone else here with me?
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Hi Ladies,
Think I might be joining you all in the 18 mth sleep regression phase but really not sure what's going on with Dd
She is just turned 19 mths last wk and her routine was like clockwork. However, over the past month or so we have started having a lot of earlier wu's, later & shorter naps and later BT with a lot of chatting etc to herself for up to 30 min before falling asleep.
Thank God we haven't had any Nw's yet so that's why Iam not really sure if this is the 18 mth regression or something else.
Our routine used to be -
Wu- 7.15/7.30 am
Nap - 1.45 / 2.00pm - 3.45/4.00 pm ( I would always wake at 4)
BT - 7.30/7.45 pm ( asleep by 8 pm)
STTN
Now we are getting -
WU - 6.00 - 8.00 am (anywhere inbetween)
Nap - 2.00/2.15 - 3.30 pm
BT - 7.45/8.00 pm with chatting for anything up to 30 min before she settles.
Today she woke & was fussy between 6.15 & 7.00 am but resettled herself.
Woke her up at 8.00 am
Nap - 2.00 pm in car (woke 10 min later when I tried to transfer to crib)
Nap again - 3.15 pm after a lot of fussing (going to wake at 4 pm)
BT - going to try for 8.00 pm
What do you guys think, is this the regression or something else like developmental. Language is getting more frequent but still not using proper words just a lot of babble and is understanding a lot more of what we say or ask her.
Don't know what to do regards napping and timings etc. Can't push nap any later so should I cap at 1 hr or ride this out and hope things return to normal? Naps seem to be the biggest problem, their getting later and shorter then she wakes in such bad form. Luckily BT hasn't produced any battles yet but she chats to herself for 30 min or more before she settles herself and we've dropped from 12 hr night to 11 to between 10-10.5 hrs very rapidly! !
All help appreciated x
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Hi everyone, how r u all going?
I think DS is going through his regression. He is 17.5 months. Last week we had nws and the only way to get him to sleep was to sleep next to his cot (starting bad habits). Then he STTN for one night and I thought it was over but he isn't sleeping again. Last night he slept 10pm-3am I tried to settle him until 6am and gave up and now I have no idea when to nap him. His usu day is
07:00 WU
12:50 nap (30m-1.5h)
19:30 BT (earlier depending on nap)
Any ideas if I should give him 2 naps today? He seems tired already.
Thx
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Uh oh. I think we've hit the 18 month sleep regression. We've had a week or so of chatty nws or ews now. Not sure if it's something routine related or not yet - it's possible he's OT after a virus last week, but he'll be up late for a wedding on Saturday so no point trying to change much before then. I have a feeling it's developmental anyway, cos he's trying to make lots of new sounds at the moment and is also in a leap. Aah well....
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Still here too! DD2 is also learning a lot of new words. I have kept her to 1hr naps, but even then she has 10hr nights some nights...she had 1 no nap day and was content for the whole day and had an amazing night, but hasnt had any other days that I have been able to let her no nap.
With dd1 starting school in september everyone has to be up earlier anyway, so I am just kinda rolling with the punches!
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That's interesting, tink. We've been getting 10hr nights even on 1hr naps too. I was wondering how/ when no naps days might start and if J isn't OT I was thinking of trying to cap his nap further. I let him nap as long as he wants today (1hr 20), and we're doing an ebt tonight in case he is OT as he's not going to get much sleep over the weekend. I'm hoping it is that, otherwise we're going to have a hideous night.
Even if it's all developmental, it tends to disrupt his sleep more if he's UT than if he's properly tired. It's often the difference between waking, rolling over and going back to sleep, and being awake for 2hrs.... So if he's UT going to bed tonight it could all go wrong at 3am. At least I'll know where I am then, though!
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Urgh. So we're completely in the middle of a SR right now. He's taking a long time to go to sleep at bedtime, he's refused his nap 3 times this week, but our usual OT recovery tricks aren't working, and we're getting chatty NWs and EWs (probably cos we're letting him nap too long on the days he is napping). He fought his nap today so we did WIWO and he slept 35/40 minutes which is classic developmental/UT here. The trouble is he often has an A time leap with developmental stuff so it's hard to figure out. And he hasn't got much of a nap left anyway, so we're straying into 1-0 territory too. We're living hand to mouth sleep wise at the moment!!! Hopefully the WIWO today will help with tomorrow's nap and then I just have to figure out how much daytime sleep he needs atm....
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Oh man, this regression is getting BAD! Up for 2.5hrs the other night, so I started letting her go without a nap...and she has been perfectly fine without one for days in a row :o But then lastnight she had a 3hr nw. Same as the 2.5hr one from the other night this week, she gets up cries, I go in and she is standing in the crib so I take her out and she tells me with her signs that she is "all done" as in all done sleeping...and when I say, "no it is still sleepy time" she throws a massive fit and tries to climb off my lap to go do whatever it is she thinks she needs to do at 3am ::) then the babbling and talking starts. Then she starts to fall asleep, but wont let me put her into bed :( I am so tired today!
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I dread the return of two or three hour night wakings *shudder*. I hope they pass soon for you. Lol at the "all done" though. Jack says the same when he wants to get up. Are you still getting independent sleep issues since the roseola? Is that merging with the sleep regression now, or were you back on track for a bit?
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I think she Is back on track with independent sleep. At least we are back to the place we were at before roseola. She still needs a good cuddle before she will fall asleep, and I have to put her in very drowsy, but she has always been like that. She is just not tired. It is actually amazing to witness, lol. She had a 20min nap in the stroller Friday, followed by a good night, no wakeups :) Then Saturday she didn't nap at all, I didn't even try because she was perfectly fine, and she fought bedtime after being up for 11.5hrs :o Finally got her to bed and she had another good night...her problem is she just doesnt want to miss out on anything!
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Jack is the same. We're still getting nws, but I think capping the nap is helping / will help in our case. I've moved his nap 15 minutes earlier and now he's waking after only 37 - 45 minutes. The days he has 40 minutes or less we tend to get less or no nws. And even 45 minute naps are giving us shorter nights now. I just don't want to actively cap at less than 40 minutes, so I've held off - just in case it is all developmental. But I don't think we'd get better nights with less day sleep if it was? I think I ought to try a shorter nap really, so I know for sure.... Jack always has an A time leap with developmental changes - I'm pretty sure that's what's going on here.
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Hi ladies hope you are all ok!
Ive come here in desperation really although not sure if anything will help us at the mo! But just needed to vent a bit!
For about a week now macie has been refusing naps & resisting bedtime! Its soooo unlike her and right out of the blue!! Im going a little crazy! Im pretty sure its the 18m sr and hoping it passes soon.
She was on wu around 6am nap at 12.30 ish til 2.30 bed at 7.
All of a sudden she started waking closer to 7 (great i thought!) but thats when the nap resistance started. Ive tried putting her to bed at 1, 1.30, 2 and she just keeps getting up, crying, screaming. Ive tried wi/wo, placing back into bed ect and in the end she is crying so hard i have to get her and cuddle her. Sometimes she has fallen asleep instantly on me as shes that exausted sometimes she has had no nap at all.
Its just a nightmare!! And at the same time im trying not to be a prop & cause bad habbits.
Will this pass can someone please tell me this will pass haha arrrgghh 🙈
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Hi honey sorry you got missed there for a while. How're you getting on now? I hope it has passed for you xx
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Hi, were all good now! Thx
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Hi,
I have just been referred to this string as they think this is our problem. I didn't even know this regression existed as my D'S didn't experience it. So here goes:
About a week ago my DD started becoming difficult to put down for naps and bedtime. She's also refused a few naps. Here has been our schedule:
Wake up- 6:30
Nap- 1 ( based on advice from other string we started 6.5 hrs A time. We were doing 5.5)
Bed 6:30-7:30 depending on nap length or if we got a nap at all.
Any idea what's going on and how to remedy? Yesterday no nap so I put her down at 6pm. She struggled settling so I finally put her in crib and walked out. She fell asleep within 5 min. Cried angrily at first but then simmered to just the I'm annoyed cry!
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Forgot to say that last night she had one NW but got herself back down.
And she's 17 month old this week and always been on the low sleep need side.
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I'm new here too... have a 17.5 month old little guy... champion sleeper until about 2 weeks ago, however, just became fussy with going down - still fell asleep etc. Began having some NW and EW for the last 2-3 weeks so I began to cap his nap 1:30-3:00pm and for the last two nights all is well.
Does anyone know if this is a slight sign of the dreaded 18 month sleep regression? Or maybe we just needed tweaked? I keep looking for teeth but haven't seen those yet either... I hate capping his nap as that always seems to build a slow OT problem - but I can rarely if ever get him down earlier for a nap or earlier to bed.
He gets up at 7am and BT is at 8pm with the one nap which could be as long as 2.5 hours but then there is NO night! :(
Any thought?
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Hi girls!
Yes for both its probably the 18 month sr! My post above i was in dispair lol. It passted after about 2/3 weeks just kept consistent on putting dd down if she refused we skipped or tried for half an hour later on. EBT helped too. But she was back to self settling bu the end of it. So fingers crossed they both will go back to normal soon. I had to chill out otherwise i would have gone mad!
Also dd got a lot of teeth shortly after so i think teething played a part too. If you think any ppssible sign of teething give meds and see how that helps 😀
Fingers crossed it passes x
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I'm thinking I'm going have to join you guys too.. Hi again Marcia!!
DD seems to be showing signs of this dreaded SR, that coupled with the fact she's teething her canines as well. Both her lower ones have just poked through and she's snotty as hell, so I'm expecting the top ones anytime now too. She's grumpy and clingy.
We've never had nap resistance before, but today it's taken 30mins of wi/wo to even get her to try and fall asleep. She's only ever like this if I try and put her down for a nap somewhere unfamiliar. We've had the playing around at BT since we went down to one nap, she takes 30mins to fall asleep regardless of A time, but that's getting worse now too >:(
I just don't think I have the patience to deal with a SR as well as this terribly awful teething atm. Give me the low down though... What am I in for? TIA and ((hugs)) to everyone going through this x
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Hey Kellyjs! Figured would bump into each other again sometime. I think I'm in the very early stages of the 18mo SR. No canines yet... so hoping something happens before the other and not both at the same time! Hugs!
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Hey Kellyjs -good to see you again (well not really since finding friends here means we are all struggling!)
I think we are slipping fast into this 18 month thing and right on time too! He'll be 18 months this week. Started sorta hit and miss with EW and such but now, for the last two nights - multiple wakings during the night. I haven't had this in so long, I'm not sure what to do... the first night I just picked him up and sat in the lazy boy till he fell asleep and then put him back down but doing this 4x in one night (sorry to complain) is not going to go well with this old mum. :( Last night I got up twice but the second time I just slept with him in the chair for 4 hours and then put him down and went back to bed.
I feel like I'm APOP but that's it more to just cope right now. I fear OT setting in for my little guy and really have not had sleeping for so long just don't know what to do or where to start. I don't see any more teeth yet so have that to look forward to too sooner or later.
It's also winter here - my LO does not keep covers on so we dress him with a onsie, sweatshirt, sweatpants, socks and then a warm fleece bunting sort of thing. I wondering if he is getting too warm? But last night when I resorted to just sleeping with him in the chair he slept for 4 hours all cuddled in my arms with no sign of distress (had I put him down earlier though, he would have been awake crying about 1-2 hours later.
Our schedule is wake up (or get up) at 7am, nap at 1:30 to 3:00 (often capped) and BT at 8pm which doesn't always happen as far as falling asleep till 8:30pm
How long does this chaos usually last? I read a recent post about 2-3 weeks?
So, any thoughts on where I need to be starting? Thanks!
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hugs MarciaMSPT, thankfully 18mo is a distant memory now but still getting the updates from this thread, it's been going that long! What are his wakings like? crying, in pain, happy chatting? Have you tried sleeping bags? I know they're expensive but really useful. I'm afraid the only bit of advice I have for now (others will chip in I'm sure!) is that when we were going through it we had quite a chatty bunch on here and everyone found that an important key to getting through was to realise that sleep needs start to decrease around 18mo. So there I was panicking over DS sleeping less and trying to get him to bed earlier to overcome OT etc, when all along he was actually UT and needed naps/BT adjusted accordingly. Of course that's not to say that your DS is UT, but have you considered it? I was quite shocked by just how much his sleep needs went down, but after adjusting, the NWs and EWs finally went away. Have you considered nap capping further? Of course you'll want to make sure he is really UT before doing that, consider what he's like during the day, does he seem really OT or is he actually coping ok with the broken nights? Then there's teething too which you know about, often hard to tease out what's what when there's so much going on... anyway, all the best, hope it doesn't last too long for you!
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Hi Trimbler... so glad someone is alive here :) I know how the chatter ebbs and flows here so was hoping that my post didn't sit in cyberspace for too long :)
My DS wakes at night crying - almost a distressed cry. If I tend to it right away, he falls asleep quicker, but if I let it go and see if he settles it escalates and then it takes longer for him to settle.
I hadn't considered the sleep needs lessening... really?!?!?! Did I forget that?!?! Hum... he's a tad under the norm for sleep needs and has been going down for his 1:30 nap rough... so I will (try as he's tired today but pushing through) to get him down more when he needs to which might be off today. but wondering if I should just let him go down later and continue capping at 3 or push him to go down earlier and cap earlier (that doesn't make sense to me:)
Thoughts? Thanks a ton for the encouragement.
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Hey Marcia, sorry for the late reply. It's been super busy on these boards as of late! And now I don't get as much time to see to them all with whatever is going on with DD.
I had what you were describing for a good couple of weeks. Really distressed crying, if I went in quickly I could ssh/rub back off to sleep. She has been really bunged up and snotty like every time she is teething so I'm unsure if it's teething, SR or both tbh. I do think she's due for a slight push in the morning A time though as she's faffing about before her nap. She's never really done this before, only for 30 mins at BT irrelevant of what time I put her down. Never solved that one since we hit the 2-1. ::)
If I remember rightly your LO is slightly late with his teething isn't he? Correct me if I'm wrong, please. Boys do tend to be later than girls but it does sound like teeth are jumping around down there with all those WU's.
Coincidently with us, and I don't want to jinx it, but the NW's have gotten a little better this week. I've tried to keep to the same nap time and length. Sometimes I have to wake her, sometimes she wakes early. I have found I need to tire her out more int he morning, such as swimming or soft play to try and get a decent nap in. But then 2 canines on the lower have popped through so it may be that?
Also, yesterday we were out for the day and she only managed a 30 mins car nap all day. Put her to bed as soon as we got back (after BT routine), she fell asleep in 10 mins and only one really quick NW at 1.30am. Pulled a 12-hr night!!
So, in short I really haven't a clue hun, but I'm in the same boat and sending you tonnes of ((hugs)) xx
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Yes physical exertion can make a huge difference to how well they sleep :)
Marcia, if he's already struggling to get down for his nap at 1.30 then I wouldn't have thought it worth trying earlier, unless you think it's OT? Your DS has way longer A times than mine did at that age but mine was always low A. I'd agree in principle that offering the nap a little later and continuing to cap at 3 could be a way forward, we had a similar approach which worked for us. Do you think he'd be better off with a longer night? I mean, if he's getting too much A time during the day with a 1.5h nap then capping the nap a bit more would mean he'd need less A to BT and potentially get longer nights. Bear in mind though that stretching the morning A will likely leave him more tired in the afternoon even if you keep the same nap length, it's trial and error! Of course those teeth are probably partly to blame, however I do remember waiting for ages during this phase for the teeth to finish, thinking that once that had happened everything would be sorted, but actually I probably should have tweaked the routine much earlier... Teeth can take a long time and may not be the only culprit!
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I'm thinking I'll have to take your advice myself trimbler. Yesterday DD had her 2-hr nap and we were back to quite a few NW's last night ::). She was sooo happy yesterday morning after her 12-hr ONS that I'm inclined to think she might prefer that rather than the longer nap. I know what you mean though, we can always blame teeth, SR or something else before we're brave enough to tweak the routine!
Can I ask how long your lo's were napping at this age? TIA xx
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Haha my DS had only just done the 2-1 at 18mo, which I guess was good as we didn't have nap refusal issues! So he was doing 2.5h initially I think, but that fairly quickly went down to 2h, or at least it should have done. But we're probably not a typical example I'm afraid. But I think as a general rule, or at least in my experience (which I realise won't necessarily be the same thing!) that nap will eventually disappear, and night sleep becomes more important, so gradually capping the nap seems like a sensible thing to do. We tended to do things in 15min steps at this age, so whenever nap refusal became an issue we'd push it back by 15mins, often keeping the same length and even BT, but when BT/nw/EW became an issue we'd start by pushing BT back by 15mins, then when the night had got too short (11h for us) we'd cap the nap by 15mins and bring BT forward again to compensate. Guess this belongs on the 1-0 but we started this to get out of the 18mo sr... And continued for over 2 years!
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Hi Trimbler -
I'm a physical therapist so have a very logical mind for fixing the human body - my DS is no exception but I have to keep reminding myself that it's not quite the same - although I follow your logic with the 15 min increments etc and will keep that in mind.
EBT has never worked for us but then again I've learned that what didn't work 6 months ago sometimes works now. For now, I've somewhat followed your 15 min. increment already. I'm putting him down about 15 minutes later and it is going much smoother. IN fact today, not a whimper. I'm still inclined to cap it though and see what normal BT holds. In the past, I've learned the hard way that napping past 3pm spells disaster for a decent BT around here.
I'm not really worried about the long haul as long as I have some sort of clue and that I have found here... so bedroom floor, here I come tonight.
Thanks again!
Kellyjs - guess we've become buddies on the same ship and are navigating with the same advice! HOping it works for your LO too! Hugs!
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Sounds positive Marcia, hope you both have a shorter ride through the bumps of the 18mo SR than we did! Come to think of it, our journey must be a few pages back in this thread... I know the 15min thing does sound a bit contrived but it was useful to have something to give our childminder or anyone else who looked after him, and we found that after the 18mo bumps, we could stick with the same routine for long enough to stabilise - I'm not sure we ever managed to stabilise before then so it was a great relief for my also analytical mind ;)
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It is funny how we go through these things at exactly the same time isn't it Marcia? I've got my old oar at the ready ;)
Made a bit of a boo boo yesterday. I was gardening (unseasonably mild weather here atm) and didn't realise the time and let DD have an extra 10 mins for her nap. Same BT. Actually fell asleep 10 mins earlier than usual so only 20 mins of playing about. This has resulted in a 5.30am wu this morning! Know it must be related. Managed to keep her in bed until 6.15am. Going to push to 12.45pm for the nap today and wu at usual time so she has 15mins less and see if that works.
How did your BT and night go with the 15mins less?. Xx
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Hi all! Just popping on here hoping for a little bit of support. Kelly I notice you are on here too!! We meet again!!! I get some reassurance from that as bad as that sounds, just because I am hoping that my issues are definitely a 'phase' and not me!
My lo has been a bit hit and miss with naps and settling at bedtime over the last month but we have seemed to fall into a routine that works at home. He was tending to have around 4.5 hours A time and then a nap for anywhere between 1hr 20 to 3 hr. I had tended to find that if I pushed his A time too far then he was OT and slept less (1hr 20 or less).
Last few days he has not settled at all for naps, standing up, looking at books, just not settling. Yesterday and today I resorted to patting him in my arms until he was asleep but then he has only slept 40 mins (a time was 6 hours both times by the time he slept). Night time settling has been really hit and miss for about a month and we were tending to have to pat him to sleep in our arms half the time. Have been stricter recently and he had ended up sitting doŵn andfalling asleep by himself. He does not really cry apart from when we initially leave him and then he settles.
Any ideas to help manage this?
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Ha ha gb18, I would've thought I had a stalker if it weren't for the fact our lo's are exactly the same age! It does provide some relief though when you pop up with the same issues ;)
Have you tried adding an extra 30mins onto the A time in the am? Do you think he's going down UT then getting OT? Any canines around?
We've added an extra 15mins onto the first A so are at 6hrs 15mins, then capping the nap at 1hr 45. Problem is she has a cold atm, so don't know if it's working or not. And she's gotten into a habit of waking every hour from 3am, goes back off to sleep but it's still irritating as I don't know what to do! Xx
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Oh - the joys of this age phase! We seem to be doing 1 hour naps even though adding about 15-20 minutes onto morning A time. Wakings at night after 2.5 hours of sleep that requires me to pick up and hold for 10-20 minutes. I see some snow caps (canines) making their way in but fussiness is on and off - this common for canines?
Just getting a bit anxious again about me loosing sleep as I don't handle live well at my ripe old age!
Any thoughts, suggestions, encouragement is most welcome. Thank you in advance.
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I'm thinking definitely canines hun, especially if the routine was working for a while. They do bounce up and down under the gum for a while which I think causes the most pain. These teeth have been by far the worst and most drawn out. It was suggested to me to elevate one side of the mattress, which I did do for a while but DD tends to get a sniffly nose when teething so I do think it helped with that. What's annoying is, when I think it's settled down, stop the meds, we are ok for a few days then the NW's start again. Last night was the first night since before Xmas that we haven't had one, but I'm not expecting that to happen again any time soon :-\ xx
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Surviving - and on nights he sleeps through (and I do to!) I feel I can't complain, but loss of sleep for me is a bear. Three canines peaking through - ups and downs. Sleeps through one or two nights, then a night or two of NW and and EW thrown in the mix to keep me guessing. figuring a growth spurt arrived somewhere in the mix as well. Talking up a storm! Sweet 18? I thought it was sweet 16 - oh, it was! :)
Sending encouragement to all the other moms out there who are in the same boat - often when you're drowning, you can't see your face from your hand - but we are all in this together.
Hugs.
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Hello all! I'm new to this thread, been reading many of the older posts and there are just so many I decided to pose my question and hope I'm not asking something that's already been answered 100 times!
So my little one is 20 months old and might be suffering from the 18 month sleep regression a bit late it seems. She recently started waking up suddenly in the middle of the night, usually once, sometimes twice, standing in her crib, crying hysterically and calling for us. We go in, pick her up and console and she falls back asleep fairly easily. She is getting some molars and she's also recently started daycare so lots of change going on. Also, her naps haven't been as long at daycare and they are earlier than they have been at home so she might be getting OT unfortunately. We are working to put her to bed earlier at night to compensate for the shorter and earlier nap time while at school.
My question is, what methods do you use to cope with the night-wakings? I understand from a previous thread that best to continue to console her as opposed to letting her cry it out as she needs that right now. Just nervous about her getting used to us going in to console when up until now she's been an excellent night sleeper and has always self-soothed.
Do you all agree that this will just pass with some time and we should console as needed?
Thanks so much for your advice!
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Hi and welcome to the abyss!! ;). Yes, definitely console her, CIO is not supported here and will probably only make matters worse.
We're still have NW's. They are a pain in the backside, I'm just hoping it'll stop soon. DD is also teething her canines for what seems like forever so meds have worked to some degree.
I would continue as you're doing. A few EBT will help with the OT. I take it you've had your routine checked and that's ok? ((Hugs)) x
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Yes, her routine is OK except that she's losing some sleep now that she's in daycare so need to compensate for that.
Thanks for your response!
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Good luck! :)
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