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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: jzozmom on November 28, 2012, 15:22:59 pm
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First here is my EASY
6am breastfeed
8am nap (this nap she may sleep 1.5 hr)
9:30 breastfeed
10 to 10:30 eat solids
11:30 to 12 down for second nap ( usually fights this one)
1 starts crying try pu/pd for 20 mins
1:20 breastfeed
1:50 eat solids
3:30 rarely takes third nap
5 breastfeed
5:30 sometimes eats another bit of solid food
7 breastfeed
7:30 bed
Ok so this schedule is the typical way our day pans out. Basically she has been a horrible sleeper from the start. She struggled to gain weight at first. Born 8# lost a # now only 15# at 6.75 months. She is amazingly easy going for getting so little sleep. But that said she fights sleep so much. Her awake times she is happy except for evening time then she wants to be held more. But even then not too fussy. Naps are 45 min to 1.5 hr with a rare 2hr morning nap I think when she just can't fight it. She still wakes 3 times a night and I usually have to feed her to get her to calm down and go back to sleep. Sometimes she lets me give her a paci and she will settle but that is rare. Reason for early wake time is school run. Doctor has me adding formula to mix in to her solid foods to add calories as she is a little behind with growth.
So from what I am reading here I am wondering if I should stretch A times? I put her down at 1.75 hr to 2 hr because she seems tired, but she fights sleep so much. Pu/pd has never worked, ever. Pat/shh worked when she was younger but now seems to tick her off. Any suggestions.
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So from what I am reading here I am wondering if I should stretch A times?
This would be my first thought. You want to be at about 2.45-3 hours at this point. She's also got a really long day because of the early wake time -- can you put her to bed earlier to balance out your day? (If you could get 2 decent naps in her, you'd probably be ok with a 13 hour day, but the 13.5 hour day on top of your short naps is probably causing a lot of your NWs.)
About her NWs -- are they happening at the same times each night? Could hunger be a possibility for some/all of them? I know at that age, my ds was dong a dream feed plus a night feed, which he continued to need until nearly a year. I know that not all babies need night feeds at that age, but there are still a fair number that do genuinely need to eat. What is she doing when she wakes? Crying? Playing around?
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Thanks Erin for your thoughts. As far as the night wakings go she wakes up crying. I usually go ahead and feed her since she usually goes back to sleep without fighting it if I feed her. This last week though she continues to cry even after a feed sometimes. She tends to wake around the same time. The frustrating thing is that she goes longer between feeds during the day than at night. So between the poor nap and the waking and wanting to eat anywhere from every 1.5 to 3 hours, I am exhausted.
I am going to try to stretch the Awake time during the day and see if I can't put her to bed a little earlier at night and try that a couple of days. For now I will feed her when she wakes at night so I am not changing too much for her.
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That's a good first step and will hopefully help your nights get better. Check back and let us know how you're doing.
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Ok, so far I have stretched the A time to 2.5 hr, partly because she just seems tired and partly because of school pick up schedule. It has only been one full day though I did also extend the second half of that first day. She had a better first nap for sure. About 1.5 hrs. The second nap still only 1 hr but it is something. Night time she still had 3 wakings and I fed her. Will keep this up and keep you posted. If anyone else has any suggestions I appreciate it I know it will take some time for her to get used to this. I may try to extend just a little longer and see how that goes.
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That's a really good start! What time were your wakings?
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Uggh, woke up at 10, 1:20, 4:17, 5:35 and 6:50. Oh and she got a 1.5 hr nap but didn't take second nap. I couldn't even hold her to go to sleep. So I think she just goes back and forth between UT and OT.
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So I think she just goes back and forth between UT and OT.
Yeah, this is actually pretty common when you're trying to find the "right" A times to extend to. You end up with a shorter nap first thing because of UT and then that gets you in an OT spiral for the rest of the day.
There are some sample routines here:
chronological EASY samples, 4-6 months
(though these might be of more help since you're so close to 7 months)
chronological EASY samples, 7-9 months
that you can look at. Sometimes it helps to have an idea of what to aim for.
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Thanks Erin, I will look over those. Last night awake at 11, 2:20, 4:15, 5 and then I got her up at 6 to start our day. She only got 1 good nap yesterday as well, but we had church and that threw off nap times a bit. School drop off and pick up really throw a wrench in the day. She won't stay asleep in the car seat if I have to move her inside so stretching her A time gets tough. I need to either get her nap in before pick up which is what I am doing now or stretch it until after. Waiting in the carpool line is just long enough that she will fall asleep and then it will only be a catnap when we move inside and she wakes. On a good note, she really is a sweet girl despite her lack of sleep. I on the other hand really could use some extra zzz's.
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School drop off and pick up really throw a wrench in the day.
Ugh, I hear you. I suffered through that for all of last year, and I remember it being rough at this age. Do you get one decent nap in for the morning? I tried to focus on that the best I could and then the afternoon one was generally something of a disaster (always fell aslep on the way to/from school and generally woke when we got home). I just pushed through the best I could and he honestly got better with dealing with being OT after awhile.
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She has never really been consistently good at getting a nap. There have been days with one good nap and one ok one. Today she is fighting her first nap the whole time. Woke at 40 mins and I have to keep going up to settle her. Pretty much as soon as she settles she starts crying again. I seriously don't get why she doesn't just give in. And how she can bee relatively ok with so little sleep. She cries when she is hungry, wet or if I want her to sleep. This is my 4th although there were 7 years in between this one and the last. My other 3 settled into an EASY without much trouble. This one hates sleep.
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It's so tricky sometimes. FWIW, your 4th really sounds like my 3rd -- I couldn't ever get him to consistently get him to take decent naps until we transitioned to 1 nap around 1 year. My guess is that she probably needs some more A time before that first nap (though once again, I was right there with you at that age with my ds -- I always knew he needed more A time, but we could never quite extend those times to where they needed to be to get a good nap) and then you'll at least get one good nap in. I know with me, I always felt like he'd be tired enough to take a decent second nap, but that one was always in the middle of our PM school run so it was never long enough. Despite my not very optimistic BTDT advice (sorry!), I would keep working on that first A time to see if you can get a decent first nap. It really will help things if you can get there.
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Now dd is getting into a new habit of waking around 9 or 10pm. So I feed her then. The weird thing is I have extended her A times to 2.5 hr. Any longer and she is definitely cranky and showing tiredness like rubbing eyes and yawning. Naps are still 45 min, sometimes i can settle by putting a paci in and get her to 1.5 hr nap for one of her naps. But she only gets 1 good nap. She rarely will take a catnap at night. I looked at a lot of schedules and noticed many put baby to bed between 6 and 7 pm and I was doing more like 7 to 8 pm. So I extended A times and moved bedtime up. She goes down easy at bedtime, she definitely seems tired. But now the early evening waking added to waking every 2 to 3 hrs.
Last night I fed at 9pm when she woke up wide awake and ready to play. She woke 11:30, 12:40 and 2. I used paci at 11 and 12 because she got a full feed at 9. Fed at 2 and she slept until 5:30 which is better since she normally wakes at 4 and 5. I fed her at 6 and now we are getting ready for school.
I guess to me this looks like it was UT then OT. Now that I am extending A and she is definitely tired maybe she is just OT. I might try a short catnap after school and see what happens.
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I'd try it and see. Wakings not too long after BT are usually OT ones (though I'm also wondering if she's adjusting a bit to all the newness in her schedule).
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Yesterday this is how our schedule fell:
E 6am BF
A 2 hr 50 min solids at 7:30
S 8:50 to 10 woke crying couldn't be settled
E 10 BF
A 2 hr 10 min solids at 11:15. Rubbing eyes and fussing at 12:10 so put her down for nap
S 12:10 to 1:10 on the dot woke more fussing not full out cry, tried to see if she would self settle, 10 mins later full on cry.
E 1:20 BF
A 2 hr 40 min here she was so fussy and tired but wouldn't go down for nap
E 4:00 BF
S fell asleep BF for about 40 min
E Solids at 4:40 BF at 6:00
S Bed at 6:30
E woke at 9:20 wide awake so BF and put back down still awake but didn't fuss.
NW woke at 12 crying settled her with paci, took about 15 mins and put her back down almost asleep.
NW at 3 BF and put her back down asleep
EW 5:30 gave paci and snuggled her to stretch to 6am wake and start day.
So yesterday seemed straight OT to me. And she only got about hour long naps. I am sure Erin you are right about adjusting to her new schedule but at the same time she really hasn't been on a true schedule since her sleep has always been bad. She is starting to have some SA when awake. If I put her in the playyard with toys and step away she is not happy even if she can hear me in kitchen.
Today we go for a weight check since she is still lagging behind. Wondering if the quality of my milk is some of the issue, although she will go 4hr between nursing during the day even before we started solids. Just night time she wants to be up every 2 to 3 hr.
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Hey hun, I'm on my way to bed, but wanted to let you know I'll check back in tomorrow. :)
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So yesterday our schedule was off due to doctor's apt. Earlier nap to squeeze one in. So A time back to 2hr. Here's what happened
E 6 BF
A 2hr solids at 7:40
S 8 to 9:30 1.5 hr
E 9:30 BF
A 2.5 hr solids at 11
S 12 to 2
E 2 BF
A 4.5 hr solids at 4
S BF at 6 sleep at 6:30
E 9 BF woke up went back to bed after sleepy but not asleep
S until 2 stirred a little and slept until 2:35
E 2:40
S until 5 am
E put off eating until 6am to start day again
So weird so shorter A before first nap but longer A before second and I think too long A before bed. But she slept the longest stretch at night we have had like ever. 9 to 2.
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Not so bad of a night there. It could be that she just needs a longer A to bed in order to sleep better -- all of my 3 did better when their A times were longer before BT -- your 9PM waking could have been an OT one, so maybe it was a little bit too long but it might be something to keep in mind. I notice you got 3.5 hours of naps in -- the 2 hour nap on the 2.5 hours of A time is great!
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Yes Erin, I am definitely encouraged. Today she got 3.5 hr of naps too. I put her down with a first A of 2 hr 15 min and a second A of 2hr 30 min. First nap 1.5 hr and second just about 2hr. So now if the 9pm is overtired should I do an earlier bedtime? Or is that kind of counterproductive because it may move up her other night wakings? The way this schedule works is perfect for the school run. I am afraid to give a catnap too close to bed.
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So now if the 9pm is overtired should I do an earlier bedtime?
I'd try it and see if it makes a difference with the 9 PM. I'll admit that sometimes with the school runs messing with things, you're going to have some OTness in there anyway, I honestly think my ds just got used to it after awhile.
Or is that kind of counterproductive because it may move up her other night wakings?
It actually helps sometimes -- the NWs shift earlier and actually make it easier to settle them sometimes (it's often those wakings in the small hours of the morning that are the hardest to settle).
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Good news is daytime seems to be settling for us. DD has strung a couple of good days together and praying that stays. So she skipped the 9pm waking but woke at midnight. Bed was at 6:45 because time got away from me but she got a 5 hr 15 min stretch. Just too bad I don't go to bed to reap the benefit. In fact I couldn't sleep and was awake at 12am so I fed her since this again was her longest stretch. NW at 3 and I calmed her holding her and with paci. NW again at 4 and did same to calm. EW at 5:15 same. Up for day at 6am. She doesn't seem hungry and if you believe in the 5 types of cries from that guy I can't remember, she had the tired cry not hungry one.
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So she skipped the 9pm waking but woke at midnight.
Less OT from the day perhaps?
I could definitely believe a tired cry as opposed to a hungry one. I'd still give your days some more time to settle and see if your nights improve on some consistent daytime sleep.
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Day was same yesterday. Bed at 7, just how it worked out. Didn't wake until 1:55, kind of sleepy cry, not really awake. Tried to pat her back to sleep. Around 2:35 still fussing and waking herself every minute. Fed her since it was her longest stretch again! Even though she wasn't outright crying, I knew it would put her back in a more sleepy state so I could go back to bed. Then unless I slept through it, she did't start waking until 6:45 am. Pressing my luck dh got her up and changed while I took a shower. Feeding her now started 7:20. Best day yet!
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Sounds great! As she and you get more used to the longer stretches, I'd leave her unless she's crying like she needs you -- sometimes that fussing is just them settling back to sleep.
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Not as good last night but she didn't get as good naps because we were out running errands. 7 to 12:30 am slept woke crying and not settling so I fed her. woke 4am waited until 4:20 to go in because she sounded like she was settling herself but just kept fighting. Picked her up and gave paci because when I go in she goes from settling and a little whining to outright cry. She wants me. Settled her and then she woke up happy at7:30. I let her play so I could get ready for church and she was still happy playing at 8 when I got her up.
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Picked her up and gave paci because when I go in she goes from settling and a little whining to outright cry.
Sometimes when they do this, it's because you've interrupted their self-settling efforts by going in there. Keep sticking with that routine, it sounds like progress to me. :)
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Sounds great! As she and you get more used to the longer stretches, I'd leave her unless she's crying like she needs you -- sometimes that fussing is just them settling back to sleep.
Woke 12am and I tried to stay out but 20 mins later she was still fussing. No outright cry, just every few seconds a whine or soft wail. Don't know how long I should give her to settle so I went in and gave paci without picking her up. Woke again at 2:30 went from fuss to strong cry so I went in and fed her after diaper change because it was sopping wet. Then she woke at 5:57 so I got her up for day.
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Sometimes they'll take a night or two and fuss for a little while and eventually go back to sleep. It's really up to you -- there's a chance that she'll go back sleep if left alone, but if it bothers you (or when it turns to "real" crying) I'd definitely go in.
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Rough one yesterday. Cried her whole second nap away. Only thing she wanted was to be up and held. So earlier bed because she was so tired. Up at 1, 2:30 and 3:15. I fed her then and she slept til 6 when I got her up for the day. Btw thanks Erin for all your feedback, despite this setback I know we are moving in the right direction.
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Hard to look at the big picture sometime, isn't it? Glad things are moving in the right direction!
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Another bad night. Naps slightly better. Bed at 6:30, up at 12am, 2, 2:45, and 4. I fed her at 12 because she was screaming. She screamed at all the other NW's too. Oh and woke crying at 5:40 but I stretched her to 6 am feed. So tired.
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Hmm...what could be going on? Have you ruled out all sources of discomfort? I'm sorry, I feel like we're going round and round in circles here without things getting much better. Let me see if I can get some other eyes on this.
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Hi,
Erin's asked me to have a look at your thread and see if I have anything to suggest. Unfortunately I'm not full of answers at the moment... just a lot of questions and info.
I do wonder about discomfort. Now this could be from several different things - here are a few:
* teething?
* reflux - here's some info on symptoms: Reflux 101 - General reflux information Just that a few things through your thread ring bells for me - low weight gain, wanting to be held upright, waking frequently in the early hours of the morning... Do you see any of the behaviours in this list day-to-day?
* gut damage from oversupply - I had oversupply and DS was getting mostly foremilk which travels through the gut very quickly and can cause damage from the excess sugars in the milk. This can (did in DS' case) result in slow weight gain if LO is particularly active. DS used up all his sugars moving and screaming and didn't store them which is what happens to babies who gain really fast with an oversupply. I saw you questioned the quality of your milk - this is something I did back then too. My milk is fine and once I dealt with the oversupply issue, DS went from gaining 20-30g(1oz)/week to gaining over 1lb per week for a month or so then settled down. What are her poos like? What were they like before you started solids?
I think early on, there was definitely OT involved in this poor sleep. Now though, she's more rested and still not sleeping which suggests there's maybe something else going on.
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Thanks Erin and Becj for trying to help me. Here are some answers to your questions.
As far as teething goes, I wonder that because of her age but no profuse drooling, no nubs that I can feel and she really is pleasant during the day. I would think she would be more cranky all the time. Really the only time she fusses is when she needs diaper changed, hungry, or I want her to sleep and she doesn't.
On reflux, she is on nexium. Now she was a very spitty baby, and I see how this could be an answer except that again she doesn't fuss when she is laying down playing, unless it gets old and she wants a change in scenery. At first we tried elevating her bed but she was even worse with sleep. Honestly I am giving her the nexium because the zantac didn't make a difference, it sometimes felt like she was more spitty on it than off, and I really hoped her sleep would get better if reflux was the main culprit.
On oversupply not sure. Her poo before solids was peanut butter consistency normal color but she sometimes went a week between. Dr. had me give her added water for constipation but we eventually thought she was so active she just used all she got and that was also why she wasn't gaining. After solids, a little more frequent but still may go several days, harder and she seems to really have to work at it. Giving apple juice and water per doctor for constipation.
She really is a puzzle because she may be the most easy going baby of my 4 when awake. Far and away the worst sleeper. All my kids were spitters, none have taken meds til now. we had an upper GI and it was normal. She also had barium swallow, normal.
Yesterday good naps. NW at 1, 2:45, 3:45 and 5:20. I fed at 3:45 other times calmed with paci.
Thank you again for trying to help me, I feel bad complaining since she is so sweet, I just need to get some sleep! Hopefully you can see something in my answers that stands out.
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Tried a little formula, only about a half an ounce after BF before bed. It seems like I don't hear as much swallowing at that last feed. Bed 6:45, woke 11:45 popped in paci, woke 2:40 and BF, woke 6am! Ok so it's not through the night but my best night in awhile.
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Hey there,
Yay for a good night!
Do YOU think reflux is an issue? What does the dr say? The barium swallow showed absolutely no reflux? How long has she been on the Nexium? Have you seen any difference at all since then?
Have you read the reflux 101 link that bec posted? LO's can have reflux even if they will happily lay on the floor - I know my DS did. They don't all show the same symptoms, that is what makes it so much more complicated!
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Hi Elise,
BS and upper GI all normal, no reflux. However she spits up all the time. Better since we started solids. Nexium for 1 month Xantac before that and no real difference that I can notice on or off. I have read on reflux and she has signs like spitting up and slow weight gain. But my first son spit up way more than her and gained weight easily. I had trouble with my milk coming in at first this time, I am older and wonder if the quality of milk is an issue. And in the evening she isn't swallowing as much so I end up feeding her sometimes twice an hour apart before bed. I would't be surprised if reflux is the culprit but even with treatment she isn't improving as far as sleep goes at night. She is doing much better for naps. Also half of the time I find her rolled over on her stomach when she is sleeping and I would think that would help the reflux part of it.
Thank you all for your feedback. It is really helpful.
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Have you looked into food intolerances at all?
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bec has a good point. often food intolerances can cause reflux and cause discomfort - often atnight. it could be worth a try?
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Hmmm, I haven't noticed anything she eats. If it is something I eat, she must hate my whole diet. I don't eat grains and no milk but I do eat a lot of cheese. Maybe I will cut that and see. Don't I have to wait 2 weeks for dairy to leave my system?
Last night she woke at 12, 2:45(BF), and 5:45 but since it is Saturday I gave her a paci and she slept until 7:45. So I am sure today will throw everything off but I needed a later morning for once.
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I would cut dairy and soy (basic and hidden sources) for 2 weeks and see what happens hun... most mommas will notice a difference in as little as a few days if this is the cause...
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Just wanted to update. Naps are doing better. But nights we are still up about 3x. I usually feed her only one of those and the other times I just comfort her so she will go back to sleep. Not sure if I should try to avoid the night feeds altogether. She is 7.5 months old now. I am on a 4hr schedule until the end of the day when her 4th BF usually comes after 3hr and then I do another BF at the 4hr mark before bed. She usually doesn't seem to be getting as much out of those 2 feeds so I have been supplementing formula after I nurse if she wants it. I think by the end of the day my supply is low. The doctor has me adding formula to her solid foods for extra calories so I figured supplementing after I nurse probably won't hurt my supply. She is gaining weight much better over the last month and a half. One reason I am tempted to try to skip the night feed is that my supply seems best at that feed and the first 2 feeds of the day. I am wondering if I put off the night feed if my daytime supply would be better? I don't want to wean her yet but if part of her weight and sleep issues are my milk quality/supply I think I would rather she gain weight and sleep better than worry about my desire to nurse for the full first year. I am presuming that her sweet disposition means she just may not need as much sleep, but I can't see how a good solid night time sleep wouldn't be better for her than being up 3x a night.
Thanks for reading my rant. Hope the rest of you mommies are doing well.
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One reason I am tempted to try to skip the night feed is that my supply seems best at that feed and the first 2 feeds of the day. I am wondering if I put off the night feed if my daytime supply would be better?
This may be a question for the Breastfeeding board: Breast Feeding. To my knowledge and in my experience, dropping a night feed won't help your daytime supply. You DD at this age may still need a night feed.
What's your EASY now and when in the night does she wake?
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E 6am BF
A play and then solids around 730 after school run
S 8-10
E 10 BF
A until about 12 or 1230 depending on whether she is showing sleepiness. Also solids around 1030 or 11.
S 12 or 1230 until 130 to 145
E 130 or 145 BF
A until bedtime.
E 5 BF and solids
S BF and 2 oz formula around 6. Bed between 630 and 715 depending on when we get dinner all squared away, bath, pj's etc
She wakes usually sometime in the 12 o'clock hour, 2 o'clock and 5 o'clock hour. Sometimes she will skip one of those but she is up at least 2x. If she skips 2'oclock she will wake at 3 or 4 and I feed her then. Otherwise I feed her at 2 o'clock waking. I haven't tried skipping that feed because I am afraid she will just wake every hour until I feed her. She usually nurses vigorously at this feed but quickly, say 10 min total.
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Its probably worth increasing her A times up to somewhere around 2hr45-3hr gradually and see if that helps the night sleep. She's got an enormous A time at the end of the day and really short ones in the morning - its usually best to have a more balanced day.
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I will try to extend A again. Problem is school schedule and she is tired. The longest I could extend so far was 2.5 hr. But it ruined her naps. On this schedule she actually takes 1.5 to 2hr nap consistently. This week I have resorted to a short catnap around 4 if she is tired. School drop off and pick up really kill the whole schedule. If I extend her A time she falls asleep in the carpool lane and wakes as soon as we are home, so she only gets a very short catnap for her second nap. And her first nap is usually shorter too, seems OT. I guess i need to find the fine line here.
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Went backwards last few days. Naps messed up and waking 3 times a night again. And would not settle unless I fed her every time. I was up every 3 to 4 hrs after she went to bed. She wouldn't take a paci. I could pick her up and she would scream at me but then fall asleep, but the minute I put her back down she was up screaming again. She would only go back to sleep when I fed her. So after over an hour trying to settle her all 3 times, I gave in and fed her 3 times last night.
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Big hugs xx The holidays can mess up naps. When you're able to get back into the swing of things, stick with the last A time that worked and then increase again as needed.
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I hope it is just the holidays. Last night she was up again I know I did the wrong thing but after almost 2 hrs of trying to settle her, I gave in and fed her. She isn't hungry because she calms down if I pick her up, she will cry at first but take her paci and calm down but then the minute I try to put her back down she is screaming again. I tried to pat her in the crib but she escalates her screaming. After feeding she goes right down. I just can't imagine she is hungry since I fed her when she woke up at 10 and then I gave in around 230. I am going in to her room right away because in the past few weeks if I did she would go right back to sleep with a paci. But now she is getting mad when I try the paci, pushing it away and yelling at me. I am just so tired after almost 8 months of broken sleep. I gave in just so I could go back to bed.
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But now she is getting mad when I try the paci, pushing it away and yelling at me
This would suggest either she is hungry or you feeding her is a prop and she needs that to get back to sleep.
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Thanks Becj86,
I hope you all don't mind my trying to work this through with my frequent updates. All your feedback has been helpful and I am able to go back and look at what I've written to try and find patterns.
So I have the last 2 nights moving in a better direction for you to help me to interpret. After our hard night up for hours where I gave in and fed her, I worked on just letting her get 2 good naps since I figured she was OT. I also tried to make sure she did a better job BF during the day and topped her off with just 2 oz of formula right after my last BF before bed. Bed both nights at 7. First night she woke at 3am so 8 hr stretch! Even though I didn't get the whole benefit of it. Well she was just fussing so I stood outside her door instead of going in. After 15 mins she fell asleep but only for 15 mins and then she woke really crying. So I fed her since she slept 8 hrs and it had been almost 9hr since her last feed. She then slept from about 350 to 820.
So this day I tried to extend her A times a bit.
She went down for a nap at 1045 so about 2.5hr A time.
Woke at 1215 for 1.5 hr nap.
She was tired and rubbing her eyes at 230 so only 2hr 15 min A.
Woke about 410 so 1hr 40min nap.
Last feed at 630 with added 2oz formula and then bed at 7.
So this night she wakes crying very hard at midnight. Her dad tried to settle her for awhile but every time he would put her back in the crib she would scream. It had been about 6hrs since her last feed and she was not letting up so I fed her. She went right back down after a full feed and slept until 830! This time I actually got sleep too! Yay!
Ok so I am thinking that since she is taking a full feed and not just falling asleep right when I nurse her that she is actually hungry. I take her off when she slows down and put her in her crib barely awake, she might protest and I give her the paci and she is out.
Or maybe I am APOP, hopefully we can see a trend in next few nights.
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Those are good long nights - should help her recover from the OT and hopefully allow you to get some reasonable A times in. Keep at it - 7 seems like it suits her as a bedtime :)
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My poor baby, just when I thought we might be getting somewhere, we had an ok night with 2 wakings after my two good nights in a row. But last night we were at a friends house and she started projectile vommitting. We were up all night puking and then this morning diarrhea. She is still so pleasant though despite this, she just seems really tired. I guess I am going to have to just follow her cues and hopefully she will get some rest even if it turns her days and nights mixed upside down.
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Yep, just follow her cues - she'll be more tired because she's sick. Hope she feels better soon!
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ER on new years for dehydration but the next morning she was dong better. Vomiting stopped and diarrhea remained. Unfortunately one of my other kids and myself came down with it last night. By the grace of God, little one decided last night she would STTN. I was up all night being sick but at least she was not needing my help. She slept from 730 to 5, I fed her and then she slept til 830.
Aside from the obvious that she needed sleep, it is interesting that I only nursed her yesterday, took away solids. Wonder if she is not getting as much milk as she needs when she eats solids? I always nurse first though. I might cut back a bit as I reintroduce them to her and see what happens.
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Wonder if she is not getting as much milk as she needs when she eats solids? I always nurse first though. I might cut back a bit as I reintroduce them to her and see what happens.
Quite possibly. They really only take a very little bit of solids at this age. Another possibility is that she has some digestive discomfort - were you giving solids in the afternoon/evening? Or she may be reacting to something she's eating?
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I was giving solids 3 times a day. Some meals I added formula to her food per her doctor because she was small for her age. I have cut down on that a lot though.
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Milk is higher calorie-wise that food - that's why they get you to add milk to food... better maybe to stick with milk as the main source of food and do solids for fun and tasting.
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Oh ladies, help! Last 3 days little one won't go down awake anymore, just screams in her bed. She pretty much will not take a nap. She really won't take one even when i hold her. Back also to 3 wakings at night and only feeding will stop the screaming. Today she started projectile vomiting again at her second feeding. She had been completely better since last Thurs in terms of stomach flu. Now my normally sweet girl is grumpy and clingy. I assume because she doesn't feel well. But she did have normal non sick days where she started the sleep strike.
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She could have been feeling ill before she started vomiting...
She's not a refluxer, is she?
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she has taken reflux meds but all the testing she has had like upper gi and barium swallow study normal.
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She could have been feeling ill before she started vomiting...
I'm wondering about this too -- my little guy had a bit of a stomach flu last week and we've gone back and forth with clinginess and trouble eating and poor sleep and all that -- I think that their tummies can bother them without other symptoms. Aside from that, have you had any routine changes lately? Any other changes?
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I tried to keep a routine over the holidays similar to normal except up for day time a little later since we were all on vacation. I just adjusted the rest of the day accordingly. Of course there were exceptions and I expected her to be off on those days. I agree with both of you that she probably was still off from being sick. I guess I am still just really shocked that she hasn't adapted to EAS yet. I know every kid is different but all of my other kids had no problems at least with the night wakings. They were STTN by 5 or 6 months. They may have had trouble with short naps here and there but even then it was usually just an off day. I am trying to roll with it and enjoy the process but sleep deprivation takes its toll. Thanks for all of your feedback ladies, it helps, if only to just know you took the time to try. And that I am not alone.
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she has taken reflux meds but all the testing she has had like upper gi and barium swallow study normal.
I remember now... Was there any investigation of reflux mimics like delayed emptying of the stomach?
How are her days going?