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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: ~inbalance~ on April 04, 2013, 13:08:49 pm
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I'm so tired! This is probably just a vent, I don't know if there's anything I can do really but I guess if anyone has any ideas it would be appreciated. Prior to 6 mos DD slept very well (by my standards as I've never had babies who slept well). She would have 2 NWings most nights, sometimes 3 and occasionally 1, but always did a good long stretch. I always fed her at NWings with the intention of worrying about it later (what I did with my other two). As soon as she started teething at 6 mos everything went downhill and has gotten worse and worse since. She has been teething for pretty much 3 months straight now and still going (just about to cut tooth number 6) so I know our issues are pretty much teething related, but I'm so tired and I don't know how much more I can deal with these nights where she wakes every 1-2hrs. We get the odd break, a few days decent sleep (2-3 NWings) but always back to this same stuff. She is usually up by 6am too (which I can deal with).
I just don't know what to do. Meds do nothing for her, they don't help at all. For awhile I was just feeding her every single time, therefore thinking I had a prop issue as well. But recently I've started settling her without a feed and that's not a problem. So I've been feeding her twice out of the 5-6 times she's awake. She wakes no matter what.
My other kids' sleep improved a lot once they had their first 8 teeth in, but both of them had all those teeth by now. DD is the slowest teether, it takes a long time for each one to come through and I can tell she doesn't handle it well at night (she is not usually bothered during the day and naps fine). I will see the gums starting to swell and the tooth under the gums, but it will still take weeks for each tooth to come through. So frustrating!
I don't know what to do anymore, I'm so tired.
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How much nap time does she get??? My DD always woke more if she had too much nap time. At 6 mths she started doing 2 long naps a day and ended up with 100 night wakings ::).
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I keep a close eye on day sleep. I'm already thinking 2-1 and am planning on trying to be on one nap between 10-11 mos. Her day looks like this:
6am wake
9:30-10:30 nap (this is as long as it gets, often I wake her after 30-45 mins because we are going somewhere)
1:30-3:30 nap (often it is only 1.5hrs, and I always wake her after 2hrs)
7:30 asleep
Realistically she is getting 2.5hrs naps during the day, sometimes a little more (ie if the am nap is an hour the pm nap is 1.5hrs, but if the am nap is 30 mins the pm nap is 2hrs). It doesn't really matter how much she naps, the NWings are pretty consistent. Last week when she was waking less she was actually napping more, but I am fairly certain that last week she had a GS. What gets me down is that the good breaks we have are probably the 'phases' and the bad times are the 'norm'. :P
I get comments from DH or my dad like I should not let her nap in the afternoon, or put her to bed way late. That is not the solution in my mind. I feel like if she were truly UT, we would have long NWings, which we don't. She is always back asleep in 5 mins or less.
I have to say she has always been an angel with routines, and the routine came naturally to us. Sleep on the other hand she is spirited. Never wants to go to sleep, throws huge fits when I take her to her room (but once in bed goes to sleep quickly).
I do suspect she is lower sleep needs though.
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Just wondering how you are settling her at the NWs where you don't feed her?
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I pick her up until she stops crying (takes less than a minute) then put her back down, and keep a hand on her back until she settles. It literally takes me a minute or two to settle her.
What I am thinking is that she wakes due to discomfort, rolls herself around until she gets uncomfortable or bangs the sides, then gets upset. Every time I go in she is scrunched into a corner, usually on her back (she is a tummy sleeper) and obviously resettles once I put her back the way she likes (I can't just turn her over though, she gets upset, so I pick her up first). It's frustrating, she doesn't seem to want to get herself comfortable again. However I know she can do it. That's why I think the teething discomfort kicks of the chain off events. If she's not being woken by pain, she's more likely to settle herself. Ho hum.
I'd like to think I have pretty good instincts by the third kid, so I'm fairly certain I'm not dealing with any prop issues here, especially considering for 6 mos she was a perfectly independent sleeper until teething kicked in. Like I said for a bit I was thinking BFing was part of the problem, but again now my instinct is telling me no.
I'm fairly sure I know the problem, I'm just fed up! Which is why I mentioned I'm not sure if anyone can actually help! LOL Feeling pretty stuck in this situation at the moment. :P
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(((Hugs))), I'm sorry if you thought I was questioning your judgement :( that wasn't my intention at all - it's a question I would always ask anyone who posted about frequent NWs. Can she ever resettle herself at any NWs at the moment? I know she has been an independent sleeper in the past, but it isn't out of the realms of possibility she could now be looking for your presence to fall asleep again. I'm not there though and if you think that's not the issue then absolutely you know her best :).
My only thought on the routine is that she has a pretty long day at 13.5h and I wonder if that could be causing some OT? My DD is fairly LSN or was at that age, but she wouldn't have coped with a day that long. Could you maybe try a capped am nap, slightly earlier pm and a shorter day of say 12.5/13h?
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Routine wise have you noticed whether there is any difference between the better day sleep days and the ones where it all gets capped cos you are busy??
And how much day sleep is she getting now compared to when she had decent nights? That was the key with DD. At 3 months she would sleep a 45min am nap, then sleep from 12.30-2.30ish, maybe an extra 30 mins, then go to bed at 7pm after failing to have a CN. Then at 8 mths I had the idea that a 45-60 min am nap plus a 2.5 hrs pm nap was just fine yk?
DD was totally a prop baby, that retained independent sleep skills, but at the same time DH did manage to give her a lovely rock to sleep thing at 12 mths when he was in charge of NWings ::). Ony took a day or so to break though as she was independent really. Had just come up with the idea that a cuddle was a fab idea ;).
Oh, and FWIW, even with my ridiculous teething almost 3 year old ex tummy sleeper, she still does that whole 'I am on my back and wailing and will simply not turn over and sleep' thing!! So very annoying! It is like she is an insect on her back and can't turn over, if I get there fat enough I can turn her and pat her back a bit, but if it goes on for a few because I don't here her (ermmm, hello, sleep?!) then she just throws a complete strop and won't settle.
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I didn't take it the wrong way. It's just, and hope no one takes this the wrong way, but I am waaayyyy past the whole every little minute of day sleep or every routine tweak makes a difference, kwim? I'm also past thinking OT causes more NWings. I do think she is low sleep needs and not OT that often really. I will have her in bed by 7 if we've had a rough day, and occasionally she sleeps past 6 (this morning was 6:30). We've always had a good routine, and I adjust it accordingly. No, I can't say I notice a difference between how much day sleep she gets when it comes to the nights. She can resettle on her own and still does occasionally. I give her fair chance to try as she usually doesn't wake up wailing, but it does escalate if I don't go in. She can complain off and on for an hour if I let her without screaming the house down. I do agree she seems to need me to reposition her. Such a pain as she should be able to just do it herself, but I think it's the added discomfort that makes her think she needs me. Oh and she is a total drama queen. ::)
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Oh, and not wanting to sound ungrateful for the advice! I tend to not ask anymore because I usually know what is going on, and this time I pretty much know as well but like I stated at the beginning I have probably posted partly to vent about it all! :P
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(((Hugs))), Em. We were in the exact same position a yr ago. DS got the last 6 of his first 8 teeth between 7-10mo. I felt like I was up and down all night. We did end up with a bit of a prop from me cuddling him and then laying him down, but it was easily fixed once he was done teething (well, apart for the early morning BF which didn't go til 16mo ::)). I think if your instinct is it's not a prop issue, then you're probably right, but time will tell and if she's an independent sleeper otherwise, it shouldn't be a big deal once the teeth are through. They're such a pain!
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Dropping off some more (((hugs))) for today x
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Megan is a drama queen if she wakes at night. Obviously she is SO much older, and sleep stuff is totally different, but she has responded far better to be being very firm with her :-[. For some reason the more I try and be nice the more she escalates :-\ :-\. It's very odd. I guess she is just responding to a clear 'NWing routine'.
(((hugs))) I am so close to posting about Ms NWings so often as well, but I don't as I know no one can help anyway.
M was rubbish (and very similar) at this age, and similar in teeth terms. I do hope your L isn't still slowly teething at almost 3 >:( >:( >:( ::).
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Oh gosh I hope we are not dealing with teething at almost 3!! :P
Thanks for letting me vent about it. Last night went something like this: NWings 9:30 and 10:20 (self settled), NFs at 11, 2 and 5 (I was too tired not to feed even though it's easy not to, I just want to sit in the chair :P), up at 6:30. So still 5 NWings but I consider that a good night. ::) I am just such a zombie in the motn, half the time I think I feed her without even knowing what I am doing.
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How many teeth left until the first 8 are in???
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3 more. And the top one that is currently causing trouble has been sitting under the gum all swollen for weeks. Every morning I swear it will be there, and it's not. ::)
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That is what Meg was like with canines. They weren't fast either, but nothing like these ones have been. Well whenever they all come in you should get a 2-3 mth break to decide if there is anything else you can do :-\.
Only thing that helps with Megan is ibuprofen at bedtime, paracetamol does nothing, and she won't have it in the night anyway.
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Yeah DS1 was like this with canines. It was 6 weeks of he** (however no issues with molars). I suspect DD will be the same. :P
I have tried ibuprofen with no luck but haven't tried Tylenol. I always found ibuprofen more effective with the boys. I keep thinking I should try Tylenol anyway just to see if it makes a difference but never remember to buy any.
I have been telling myself for months that when we get a break for teething I can focus on getting back on track, and I suppose that still is the case, but it is wearing me down quite a bit. Night after night like this, no break in sight, still more teeth to come. :(
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Ugh teeth :(. Sorry things are so rough for you at the moment. Lots of (((hugs))) and here to support even if I can't help make things easier for you x
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Thanks Katherine :)
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I have been telling myself for months that when we get a break for teething I can focus on getting back on track, and I suppose that still is the case, but it is wearing me down quite a bit. Night after night like this, no break in sight, still more teeth to come. :(
Yes, you will... but it seems like forever while you're in it. I wondered if it would ever end! We did have a nice 2mo break before molars started and funnily enough after the time I spent doing PD to get rid of my prop, molars and canines weren't all that bad. :P More (((hugs)))!
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Just dropping in some hugs Em, teething sure does suck, and then I have friends that are like 'oh one just popped up I didn't even realise!' ::) Jealous much?! DD1 was a horrible teether, DD2 certainly has her moments we have the big red lumps like you describe but no teeth. Do you have the amber teething beads? not sure if they work but my theory is can't hurt to try, DD2 wears hers 24/7 including bathing etc. Also have you tried elevating the mattress? I've got a rolled up towel under the top of her cot mattress just to elevate this a bit as I was told having them lie completely flat can make the throbbing worse......just throwing some ideas out there! you do so well on the amount of sleep you get you're always so positive, I would be a blubbering mess! :-*
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I have friends that are like 'oh one just popped up I didn't even realise!' Jealous much?!
Well I guess my DS2 was like this so maybe DD is payback? :P
I do have a teething necklace but didn't think it was safe to wear when sleeping? I haven't been putting it on her because she doesn't need it during the day. Also she is a tummy sleeper, so not sure elevating the mattress would work.
you do so well on the amount of sleep you get you're always so positive, I would be a blubbering mess!
Thanks :) I actually do do well considering how little sleep I get, which is surprising. I really struggled with the sleep deprivation when DS2 was a baby. I think I just have good support and help from DH, he keeps me sane (relatively sane anyway :P)
Things are just so horrible. :( A few nights ago we were only getting 3 NWings, but with that came EWs (yesterday morning was 5:15). But then last night back to 4 or 5 NWings, I don't even know how many, and a 6:40am wakeup. Plus she is waking earlier and earlier in the evening, tonight it was just after 9. And there is no rhyme or reason to anything. Sometimes I can settle her easily, other times she is like a screaming banshee. Then I get into the issue of trying not to feed her but then caving because I don't have the stamina, and I hate that even more than I hate just feeding her right off the bat. :( Tonight I did settle her though, took about 20 minutes. Definitely teeth as she would try and settle, but I could hear her making 'chewing' noises, and then she'd yawn and set herself off again, or she'd keep trying to rub her mouth on my shoulder. It's so tough. These teeth take so long. Still waiting on the other top lateral incisor that has been swollen for weeks now. Seriously I can SEE the tooth right there and yet it is not cutting. Plus the bottoms are starting to swell too, and at this rate they will take months before they are in. Really, I thought she'd have all first 8 by 10 months and that is not likely at this point.
Sorry, just venting because I'm frustrated! :P
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(((hugs))) -- I think I've heard some ladies talk about putting the amber around their ankles -- maybe they're sold that way? We never tried it, so I don't know. ???
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the way the amber works is from heat from the body so taking it on off, just means it has to 'get warmed up' again. Ours are designed to break should it become entangled and are individually knotted so that if it does happen to break it will stay in one piece. I'm comfortable with her wearing it at night given this is when teething is usually most bothersome, but each to their own :) Its a bit like how the lovey I bought her says 'remove while sleeping' its like ummmm does that not defeat the purpose of a lovey?! ::)
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I think I've heard some ladies talk about putting the amber around their ankles -- maybe they're sold that way?
I've actually seen anklets sold and wondered about getting one, but I opted for the necklace instead for a bigger surface area. I could try putting it on her ankle for bed.
the way the amber works is from heat from the body so taking it on off, just means it has to 'get warmed up' again. Ours are designed to break should it become entangled and are individually knotted so that if it does happen to break it will stay in one piece.
Yep, I know how they work. ;) Mine is designed the same way, I still feel so uneasy about having it on all night (I have left it on for naps before). I just have an overactive imagination and it doesn't really make me comfortable.
Last night was....better? I don't know. I consider anything a little different to be better, but really it's all bad. NWing at 9pm, settled without a feed. Then slept until 1am (cried around 10:30 briefly), so that itself was an improvement because she went from bedtime to 1am without a feed. Then up at 3, then 4:40 (fed both times, I always think I won't but in the motn haze I always do :(). Then cried out around 5:30 again I think but settled herself, and slept until 7. So a few good points there however no matter how you look at it that was still a ridiculous amount of NWings. :-\
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Maybe you girls can help me figure out what to do. We finally have tooth number 6 through so things are *slightly* better, and by slightly I mean still 4-5 NWings with only three of those being NFs, plus she is settling herself much of the time for the first NWing and is not EWing as much (still a pretty sad state isn't it). The next two bottom teeth are swollen. That means they could be cutting in a week, or judging by how slow this girl teeths they could be several weeks maybe even a month away from doing anything. So, do I do something now? I'm tired of the NWings, but I do not think they are going to go away until I do something about the NFs. During the day when I'm awake I feel totally ready to do something about it, but in the middle of the night when all I can think about is getting back to bed, and I lose all resolve. I also don't think I am ready to go cold turkey, I'd rather tackle them one at a time. I just don't know if there is any point doing it yet or until the next two teeth are in. When she wakes up, I never know which baby I'm dealing with, the one who will settle easily or the one who will scream murder until I feed her, and that has been discouraging me from resettling without a feed in the middle of the night because I don't want to deal with Miss Screamy-pants waking up the whole house.
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Are her days solid? Do you think it's the kind of thing where a tweak might help them a little bit? Which teeth are we talking about? The ones next to the two fronts?
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We've always had really good days so I'm not really prepared to change them tbh. I also don't think a routine tweak would change anything about the NWings (hope you trust me on that one! I don't believe in obsessive tweaking, and I also have to take the whole family's routine into consideration so her's is kind of shaped around the rest of us iykwim). Next teeth are the bottom lateral incisors. After that she will have the first 8 and I'm hoping for a break before any molars start. I was originally planning on waiting for that break before doing anything drastic, but because it takes so long for the teeth to come in I'm thinking I might have a small window right now before things get really bad again. I don't know though.
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I think it depends on what you're most comfortable with and your level of determination. If you don't think you'll be up to it in the MOTN, then I wouldn't bother.
We had a break in teething from 10-12mo and I was able to drop all the NFs (anywhere from 1-3) except the early morning one without issue, because I knew he wasn't struggling with teeth and I stuck it out (literally took one or two nights). I kept the early morning one mainly because it was summer and we travel several weekends here and there, and I was always using it then, so just continued at home. But, by the time we came back from the last trip, I was determined to get rid of the early morning one as well. Turns out that was right at 12mo and I tried for 4 days (almost 2hr every morning of trying to resettle) until I just gave up and kept feeding, because I knew with those molars coming in I didn't have the heart or determination to push through.
So, I think even if it's a small break between these teeth and the next, you can probably make good headway, as she's an independent sleeper in all other aspects. But, I guess the problem is if you don't get that break. :-\
Not sure that's helpful at all, but was our experience and I would probably do things similarly again.
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Katie, that's very helpful! It's nice to hear someone say that if I'm not up for it maybe not to do it yet. I always feel like the answer will be to suck it up and do it already. :P
The truth is I don't know if I'm ready. :-\ I feel stuck in limbo, like I can't go on like this but I can't do anything different either. The other thing is in about a month's time DH's work is going to get busy and he will be around less to help, so I feel like I should tackle it now while he is still around for a bit in the mornings to get up with DD after really bad nights and to help make breakfast for the boys.
But I'm also so chicken to go through with it. You'd think that I would know from experience that it's really not that bad, but I still don't want to deal with the crying. ::)
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If your daytime routine works for you, stick with it. I think by the time you get to the third, you're pretty much over the constant tweaking (and like you said, who has time to do it when you're juggling the needs of 2 others?) -- and ITA with Katie too -- it's only a problem if you see it as such -- if trying to get rid of the NWings right now is harder than dealing with them, then just deal with them for now. I found our NWings got dramatically better as we got towards the year mark -- at 11 months, James was sleeping through (with not a whole lot of intervention from me) fairly consistently where a few months prior, we were still dealing with a df, a nf, and probably another waking in there as well.
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Em I'm just reading this and thinking (((((((hugs)))))))) and btdt with Z and now likely T too! ::)
Fwiw she sounds like Z, and if I remember rightly liz Z was a little like J :-\ ? For us it's always discomfort or loss of comfort of some kind. It's just a pita that there is always SoMeTHINg YK? Teeth, constipation, teeth, reflux, lost paci, teeth, head stuck in corner of cot, teeth ... But as Katie said we also had a break at 10-12 mths and that is when STTN started to happen a lot more, it's also when we went to 1 nap.
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Yeah, it's hard when there are so many factors. My guess is though, you're right... it won't be as bad as we can sometimes make it out to be (although the crying is never fun) when other things aren't bothering her. You said she was sleeping really pretty well before she started teething, so there's nothing to say she won't when she's not. And since you are sometimes resettling without a feed, it's not like she only knows FTS, yk. I think that's why it was easy with G, I'd settled him other ways than feeding, even though I was still feeding at other NWs.
I don't want to sound like I'm talking you out of working on it right now. :-[ If you feel you should, esp as DH is around more, than for sure I think you can go for it. But, if you're not ready, then I wouldn't sweat it. (((Hugs)))
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Hun I thing I just remembered with as is that we just worked on 1 NW at a time sometimes. Ie the earlier in the night it was the easier the resettle. So we would try to not feed at that one YK? (Or I'd get DH to do shh/pat) I know for some it's 'confusing' but tbh it worked well for Z and meant we never had any true props. Also if she can settle at BT and naps then I think she knows how to sleep, she just may need help still in some areas, or with discomfort as you say. :-*
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And FWIW I've just BTDT with night feed weaning with an 7mo and its not necessarily the magic bullet we all hope that it is YK? The grass always seems greener but sometimes it ain't that green lol. We haven't fed at all at night for 3 weeks but we still get NWings. To be fair we have also had 4 STTN since no NFing (which were our only 4) but we have also still had some horrendous nights with teeth or who knows what else!
I was actually happy to just have 1 Nfeed and stick with that, but like Sara says I first worked on stretching the first one until 2am then after nearly 2 weeks of that when she woke at 4am I thought what they hey I'll just see what happens, a quick 5 min resettle and she went back to sleep and I haven't fed at night since. But I just knew in my heart she didn't need them she was just 'used' to them, after a few failed attempts one day I just felt ready to tackle it. And I think you're absolutely right, you have to feel ready and be in place where you want to give it a crack, not just feel like 'you should' YK otherwise theres just no point, everyones situation and what works best for them and their family is different.
Overall it is definitely better and I don't regret it as we went from having around 3-4 wakings of which I would feed for 2, to having some of our first ever STTN, BUT there was also no 3-5 day magic habit breaker to consistent STTN either, at least not for us! shes a bit spirited just my luck ::)
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if trying to get rid of the NWings right now is harder than dealing with them, then just deal with them for now.
That's the thing, I don't know what is the bigger problem, dealing with the crazy NWings, or having to do something about them! :P
I found our NWings got dramatically better as we got towards the year mark
But as Katie said we also had a break at 10-12 mths and that is when STTN started to happen a lot more, it's also when we went to 1 nap.
Yes, I know from past experience as well that things improved with both my boys closer to one year. DS1 started sttn consistently at 9 mos, and DS2 didn't sttn until 16 mos however he was down to only 1 NW/NF before a year. So you would think that I already know all this from experience. ::)
You said she was sleeping really pretty well before she started teething, so there's nothing to say she won't when she's not.
It's true, however it's been SO long since she slept well, that she is pretty much a different baby now, kwim? DD now at almost 10 mos is not the same as DD at 6 mos, so in that respect it's almost like starting over. :(
I don't want to sound like I'm talking you out of working on it right now.
Not at all! I appreciate you reminding me that I have to do it when I'm ready!
I just remembered with as is that we just worked on 1 NW at a time sometimes. Ie the earlier in the night it was the easier the resettle. So we would try to not feed at that one YK? (O
Yes this is pretty much my plan. It's what I did with DS2 as well, tackled 1 NF at a time. I don't have the stamina to go all night without feeding.
And FWIW I've just BTDT with night feed weaning with an 7mo and its not necessarily the magic bullet we all hope that it is YK?
True, I don't think I'm hoping for a magic sttn cure though. I just think that 4-6 NWings a night is excessive and I really want to reduce them to 2-3!
With all that said I talked to DH last night about a plan for tackling this and he agrees that we should try it soon while he can help, and he will be very supportive. He has even offered to settle at night but TBH I much prefer to do it because I always have and so she is used to me, and also I just can't lie in bed listening to her cry while he tries, it just aggrevates me. So he will help by getting up with the kids and letting me sleep in a bit. I honestly don't think it will take too long for things to improve.
Anyways, we had planned to start on Wednesday night but last night I decided not to feed her before 12, because she has been going until 12-1 without a feed (even though she's been waking once or twice before then) so I don't feel like going backwards by feeding her. She woke around 9:20 as usual (I was out at my friends but DH said she settled herself, which she does about 50% of the time). Then she woke at 11 and I patiently tried to resettle for 45 mins. She wasn't crying the whole time, just not going back to sleep. She definitely wanted to be fed. Anyways, I needed a break as my back was hurting so after 45 mins I put her down and stepped out, and she settled herself in about 30 seconds. ::) She was awake again in another hour, at about 1am, at which point I fed her but I was ok with that because at the moment my whole goal is to just get her used to not needing a feed for that first 5 or 6 hour stretch. So NF at 1am then she slept until almost 4am and I gave another NF, then she slept until 6:44. This is actually a HUGE improvement because she wasn't up eating every 2 hrs between 1-6. So last night ended up with 4 NWings but only 2 NFs, and not much of an EW. That is good progress in my books. :)
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That is good progress in my books. :)
For sure! :) (((Hugs))) Em, so glad you have help from DH (although I am totally the same about taking control at NWs). Hope it gets better and better for you!
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That is good progress in my books. :)
For sure! :) (((Hugs))) Em, so glad you have help from DH (although I am totally the same about taking control at NWs). Hope it gets better and better for you!
^^ I agree. Great progress.
Sometimes is 2 forward one back too...such is life but it's STILL progress :-*
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I just think that 4-6 NWings a night is excessive
Agreed :)
That is good progress in my books
Sounds like great progress Em! Well done. Its amazing when I look back pretty much my only response to her waking most of the time was to feed ::) now just a few weeks later she doesn't even look for a boob even if I pick her up. Its amazing how quickly they can get used to things.
Good luck with night 2.
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Last night was good again. :) The usual early stuff, cried out around 9 and woke at 10 but settled herself. Then only 2 NFs at 11:45 and 4am, and she slept right until 7am.
The only thing I'm worried about now is things improving and then falling apart again when she starts teething again, but I guess there's nothing I can do about that so I should just keep working on it and hope that the sleep will recover even after more teething.
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Woohoo, that's great! ;D
The only thing I'm worried about now is things improving and then falling apart again when she starts teething again, but I guess there's nothing I can do about that so I should just keep working on it and hope that the sleep will recover even after more teething.
And who knows... maybe without the feeds, she won't be as prone to wake up so it won't totally fall apart. As for now, enjoy the extra sleep! ;)
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Definite progress! I think you just do what you can until the next round of teething -- it's not like teaching her to be better at self-settling is wasted time, yk?
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Just following along... my 7 month old DS is very similar to your LO... only he has no teeth to show for it. Hope things continue to get better and better!
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As for now, enjoy the extra sleep!
Completely agree - its gotten way better so quickly already enjoy it while you can!
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Last night not bad - 10pm woke but easy to settle, NF at 12:45 and 3am (I shouldn't have fed at both but ended up a zombie again! :P), then I heard her around 5 and 5:30 but I didn't have to get up, and she was up at 6:20.
Now my next question is, should I try to keep pushing the first NF later and later, or feed around 1am but then try to skip the next one? I think in the past I always tried to push the NF back until it disappeared and I only had an early morning one left (which disappeared on it's own).
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At her age, I'd probably opt for pushing it back. I'd think she could handle the longer stretches -- though that's just my opinion without actually being there. :)
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I'd push it back too. It seems like NWs earlier in the night are easier to resettle, so I always had more determination to do it then and feed later.
Glad to hear it's going well! :)
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I think you girls are right. Now let's see if I actually try and resettle without feeding in the middle of the night when I'm all groggy! :P
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LOL, not sure we can help with that one! ;)
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Good luck!
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yep agree with all the above, when I first started I pushed it to 2am or there abouts. Good luck. So know what you mean about MON grogginess, I write it down otherwise I have no chance of remembering. :P
Good luck!
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Woot! 3 NWings but only 1 NF. :) Also, not a peep before 11pm which is rare, she has been waking or at least crying out before that point for ages. She settled fairly easily at 11pm and 1:15 am, fed at 3am, then was up and chatty at 6:25. I hope this means she is starting to get better at settling herself and will start sleeping longer stretches more consistently.
I'm sure you all love the frequent updates. :P
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Nice! :D
I'm sure you all love the frequent updates. :P
And of course, we will... it's always good to see progress and know a fellow mama is getting more sleep. :)
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Yay! Updates are good! :)
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:D
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Awesome ;D Love the updates!
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Thanks for the support! A couple more updates for you. Friday night I only had to get up once to feed her at 2:30. :) I didn't have to go in any other times! She woke a few times but settled herself. Last night I did have to go in at 10 and 1 and help her settle, but both times it was quick, then she didn't wake for a feed until 4:45! That's almost a full night without a feed, so she is definitely getting using to not having one. Who knows how long she'll continue to wake, but I feel much better knowing I can settle her easily without a feed now. I do suspect those teeth are starting to cause trouble, yesterday she busted her pm nap (which is very rare) and she woke quite frequently before 1am and was fairly upset. I hope the teeth don't take too long, and don't undo too much of my work!
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Sounds good, Em! Hope those teeth come through quick for you! :)
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Wow that is amazing progress - just look at the title of this post! (4-6 NWings) Awesome work -fFingers crossed teething doesn't affect it too much.
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Yay! Hope the teeth are quick and relatively painless!
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Yeah I am 99% sure the next tooth is coming. She's already woken twice and it's only 9:40. Definitely teething behavior. At least she has been settling herself. I hope these teeth don't take as long as the last ones!
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Argh, teething sucks some times. Hope the rest of your night went ok. Good that she's still resettling on her own more!
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great that she was settling herself considering teething. nice progress, hope that wasn't a sign of more things to come in the night. :)
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We are still getting several NWings a night, usually 3 or maybe 4, but I am only feeding once so it seems so much better than before. A few mornings I cheated and fed at 5:30 as well to get her back to sleep. :P So she is teething, and waking often especially if she is OT, but I am not having to go in so often. Sometimes I have to go in and give her a little cuddle, but it's nice because she doesn't expect to be fed anymore. I think she is just looking for reassurance then goes right back to sleep. I'm not feeding before 2am but I might make that 3am soon in an effort to keep pushing the feed back. I am happy I started working on it last week, even though she is teething again, because it is making the teething NWings easier to get through. :)
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;D ;D
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;D We're exactly the same, she still wakes, but not feeding is nice, especially when you want to go out good to know that after that BT feed you're not 'needed' to feed until at least after midnight.